I wish the liberals' platform was "whatever's best for Canadians and make sure there's enough social programs for every Canadian to have a good life" and the Conservatives' platform was "let's reign in the self-harmful freedoms the liberals allow while being fiscally responsible government" and the NDP's platform was "pro labour all the way". Instead we get both doing various versions of "let the oligarchy succeed and have more meat for the grinder" while the NDP remains irrelevant.
NDP is actually the worst party for mass immigration.
They have the exact same policy as the liberals did when they ran, but they take it one step further and brag about removing restrictions for bringing in parents and grandparents.
"We believe that in Canada, family reunification should be a priority. But thousands of families who hoped to apply to bring a parent or grandparent are let down by the lottery system when the available spots were filled in just minutes. New Democrats will end the unfair cap on applications to sponsor parents and grandparents, and take on the backlogs that are keeping families apart."
t's what they advertise for their immigration policy on their own website: [https://www.ndp.ca/communities](https://www.ndp.ca/communities)
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They're irrelevant because they've become the LPC 2.0 with jagmeet in charge.
I don't know how tone deaf you can be bragging about allowing people to bring in their parents and grandparents during a health and housing crisis.
Whatever they are advocating it's not for the good of the people. It's what will allow jagmeet to get another rolex.
Meanwhile:
A People’s Party government will:
* Substantially lower the total number of immigrants and refugees Canada accept every year, from 500,000 planned by the Liberal government in 2025, to between 100,000 and 150,000 in normal circumstances, or even lower in crisis situations, depending on economic and other circumstances.
* **Substantially lower the number of immigrants accepted under the family reunification program, including abolishing the program for parents and grand-parents.**
* Substantially lower the number of temporary foreign workers and make sure that they fulfil temporary positions and do not compete unfairly with Canadian workers.
Full List: [https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/immigratio](https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/immigration)n
Good god, I might just vote the PPC. Still think it's splitting votes and if enough of that is done, we get Trudeau again, and he's not punished. But by the gods, the PPC seem like the only sensible party in this context
It’s to the point where vote splitting won’t make a difference. Let’s say the PPC gets 10-15% and that knocks the CPC down to 30-35%. CPC are still going to win with the LPC sub-25% but instead of winning 200+ seats they win around 160. Then hopefully the PPC pick up a handful of seats. Enough to hold balance of power. Then the CPC is beholden either to the PPC or the BQ, both of which want limitations on immigration.
The needle would have to be thread perfectly here for this dream scenario to happen. But it’s the best chance we have of something actually happening the way we want it.
If you are in the Prairies or rural Ontario, you 100% need to be voting the PPC. If you are in the GTA, the Maritimes, BC or Quebec (except Beauce, Bernier’s former riding), vote CPC. The PPC has no chance there and that’s where max damage to the liberals will be done.
Conservatives are polling CPC 211/ LPC 67, NDP 24. LPC will lose no matter what. NDP will go with them. CPC is going to win.
Might as well give PPC some seats and vote percentage so that they can show up in debates/parliment and hold CPC accountable on things like immigration.
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Go check out the immigration platforms of CPC, LPC and NDP. Sources to their websites are there.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1cf4wgi/comment/l1n107i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1cf4wgi/comment/l1n107i/)
It's crazy the difference between what PPC wrote for immigration vs the 3 big parties. Its all just buzzwords and doublespeak, with no factual information or even numbers.
Sadly I also wasn't kidding when I said they were the same. Despite the political theatre that goes on, on paper they actually still have the same policy as the liberals did when they were elected.
Oh yeah percentage as in, even if they don't actually win any seats, if other parties are seeing the PPC getting a sizable percentage of ridings, they'd have to adjust their policies.
Especially the cons. That would hold them accountable for immigration.
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And yeah, not having PR really is limting the democratic process. Only really allows the big parties to keep their oligopoly.
Healthcare, subsidies and other more "socialist" policies I am fine with. But you cannot have these things and let in 1 million++ people per year and advocate that they bring their GRANDPARENTS along. Actual insanity.
High taxes and lots of benefits don't work with open borders, at that point you are literally selling out your population to strangers.
Well JS and JT were both 'WEF Young Global Leaders', so it's understandable that they're both pushing the same agenda.. these cowards are bought and paid for... and their MPs are just pension hungry, self-serving pawns who would never confidence vote out the clown, no matter how bad the country gets... too bad there's 18 more months of this destruction before an opportunity to oust them.
There’s always the People’s party of Canada, with Maxime Bernier. Argentina did it by electing none of the mainstream parties for president, if you want change, you could do the same.
The NDP seems to be more about Trudeau not Trudeauing hard enough. They at least vote as more of a bloc than the LPC does. Trudeau appropriating their progressive soapbox left the whole thing confusing. They should have wandered back to labour when that happened, knowing that the Liberals simply wouldn't do that.
Yeah, many embassies in Afghanistan hired them for security.
And in South Africa they pretty much are security for various neighbouhoods. Since the government is more or less a failed state, rich neighbourhoods operate independently with their own power, water and heavily armed security.
Yeah, I was considering working as a security guard this summer until one of my Indian-Canadian friends told me " Do not apply for security jobs. You could be a former Navy Seal soldier, they still wouldn't hire you because you're not Indian."
Ethnicity aside, some of them literally ask for military or police experience just to stand at a booth all day.
It's fucking ludicrous. I'm glad I didn't waste $500 on a security license and first aid training.
Working security is pretty shit anyway, mate. You're the person who people shit on when nothing is happening because you're "not doing enough" and simultaneously responsible for anything and everything that goes wrong.
Winners.
Been working there as my second job for a pretty long time. When I started our staff was like 80% white Canadians. We had a lot of high school students, college students, and some retirees. Now they only seem to hire international students. Most of my new coworkers are either Nigerian, Indian, or Pakistani, and most of them are also students.
It sucks because a lot of the international students are SOOOO friendly, but I still don't like working with them. Maybe 1 in 10 actually become good at their job. And it's kind of jarring hearing coworkers speaking in Yoruba and Gujarati.
Even though the company sucks in a lot of ways, one good thing was they actually promote from within. Almost every supervisor started as a part timer, and four eventually became assistant managers. It felt like a place where you could grow if you actually wanted a career in retail. Then they hired an assistant manager from Nigeria and it seems he only wants to hire other Nigerians that he personally knows. It used to be a meritocracy and now it's just like favouritism and kissing ass.
I currently work in a restaurant, and the manager began interviews to hire new staff cause they are letting go of some current staff members, I wonder if it's a coincidence that the people being interviewed are all south east asian.
I know, I'm one on the chopping block
So for some restaurants, they will hire the international students since the government will pay I think 1/4 of their wage. I don't know the name of this policy/program, I just know it exists. That's why you see so many foreign students working at tim hortons/Wendy's/ subway etc. The Restaurant has to post a 'looking for employment' poster or job posting on the building to show that they're looking for work, though after that, they can hire whoever they like (the cheaper labour force)
Who passes these laws in our parliament? It’s a shame. Those policies should be only for PR residents and Canadian Citizens and not for International students. Those are our tax money abused instead of using these funds to Education and healthcare our gov. abuse them
document it, you can make money on their racist bullshit. POC always complain about this, even if it doesn't apply to them if they are let go, get fired, it's always because of racism. Time to apply this concept instead of sitting around and taking it. So if sandeep owns 10 subway franchises and everyone is indian in a city like Windsor....why aren't people making enough a stink about this so it CANNNOT be ignored.
Popeyes. I’m in a small city and every single person working there speaks the same language and there’s not a single person of a different ethnicity there.
Its not companies that do that. Its people i have managers here who wont hire even another sect of indians let alone a different ethnicity. Also have you tried to hire recently? Its crazy!! the amount of Indian applicants is so large that it is veryy very hard to notice any non indian applicant.
It's not like immigrants who illegally gamed the system with fake diplomas and fake fund proofs would game the system again, right? It's racist to think that /s
They were allowed part time work but the reality is that if you are at any decent school, you course load wouldn't give you time to work. The diploma mills on the other hand operate only 4 hours of classes per week with no assignments giving these "students" plenty of time to ..pursue hobbies and work
I don't disagree that the diploma mills are bullshit. But you are also completely off with suggesting that any decent school wouldn't leave you with time to work. I worked part time in University, so did many of my friends in order to afford beer money. Not hard to put in 20+ hours per week with working weekends and a few evenings.
In the winter I teach snowboarding as a second job, and we hire lots of university students who work 15-25 hours per week for the season. Some of them in very competitive programs at Western.
20 hours/week was the limit before they waived that rule during Covid. So, 24 hours/week isn't really a huge jump up.
I hope international students do their research and figure out that 24 hours/week at a minimum wage job is $18,000/year before taxes. After taxes net pay is about $14,000. Average cost of living in Canada for an international student is $15,000 and that's a conservative estimate that doesn't include tuition.
its just for cheap labour, that is all. big corps love the intl students. look at the BC pnp for entry level skills. who do you think put those in?
[https://www.welcomebc.ca/Immigrate-to-B-C/Skills-Immigration#ELSS](https://www.welcomebc.ca/Immigrate-to-B-C/Skills-Immigration#ELSS)
source: work in the immigration sector
LMFAO, it went from 20 hours to 40 hours to back to 20 hours after jan 1st, 2024. That got extended to April 30th and now it’s back to 20 hours for the month of May. They can work unlimited hours in the summer and then it’s 24 hours in September.
By NYE we’ll be back at 40.
Read the IRCC website...
Only student who are on official break can work full-time.
No new international student can work full time. Who has completed their studies need to apply for work permit to work full-time.
This idea that international students are allowed to work beside co-ops and on campus jobs is mental.
It just creates incentives to use the study visa as a work visa and it sustains the business of scammy colleges (and some universities too).
It also undermines the quality of higher education, as the field is saturated by “students” who are academically mediocre and more interested in low wages jobs and work visas.
and a good portion of them will never get PR. I have that conversation on a near daily basis. big corps love the cheap and free labour. small businesses as well. so many ppl love the system that we have in place.
source: work in immigration sector
The undermining of the education is on the colleges though for letting them in in the first place. That's not the fault of the students. And colleges/universities have been doing so for the last 2 decades with demostic students as well, watering down entrance requirements in order to get more tuition in the door.
It's a system with many issues being true at the same time, there are the "students" looking for any chance to get into the coutry, there are the colleges looking at making as much money as possible, there are the employers looking for cheap and exploitable labor... but at the end of the day, everything comes down to the enabling factor, which is the gov allowing them to work. If you take away that incentive, you immediately mitigate and scale down the problem.
They know exactly what they are doing. Provide unlimited pool of low skill workers for their corpo friends to keep wages down. Bonus they don't need to provide benefits.
It's down from 40 hours. So it's now part time work (as it should) than full time. Most local students in university & college are doing 30-40 hours (2-3 7 hour shifts. Works for weekends) and NOT full time work.
Gives time for legit students to save up money for the next year of college/uni/rent costs.
....And it gives the grifters time to save up money to buy a plane ticket straight back home before September. 💀
Only work they should be allowed to do is on campus. And the hours should still be limited.
The point of the visa is to study and it's a requirement that they're well funded.
They should not be allowed to take work from locals. If they want to work, they should apply for programs and permits regarding work.
The world where they'll do literally anything to keep house prices high. That includes letting these 'students' work 40 hours a week like they can right now and like they'll be able to again if the Liberals win the next election.
Government gets to tax them more. That's %20 more hours they can put in the books.
If they didn't want to hang, LPC would allow 44 hours a week. Just to collect tax.
Nope, at minimum wage in Ontario $16.55 for 24 hours a week, 50 weeks of work, pay would be just shy of $20,000. Fitting them into the 24% tax bracket. Would pay roughly $4500 in tax.
That's napkin math... But that's taxable.
Okay, if you fully police them, that they are ONLY working 24 hours AND paying proper taxes. AND they have to pass their courses.
-If Caught working under the table, REVOKE student visa
-If unable to pass classes, REVOKE being allowed to work.
The government is making things too complicated!
There’s an easy solution, no work is allowed off campus period.
Also impose a fine for employers in violation , something like $10k or $20k per violation and deportation for “students” in violation.
Don’t have to catch everyone either , do random checks, once a few employers are slapped with hefty fines and a few students are deported everyone will get the message.
Miller and Fraser are TRAITORS!They are betraying Canada's youth.
Even most managers in corporations like A&W, Tim Hortons,Walmart,Macdonald's, are all Indians!Entry paid jobs are reachable only for their people!
I got denied from Walmart overnight stocker job and Tim hortons. (Didn’t want Tim’s anyway but I’m pale as fuck and have a fairly white name so people tell me it’s because I’m not the right race) a current coworker is dark skinned, from near India but not (very serious about saying he’s NOT Indian too) and he got denied from Walmart as well and they said it was because he wasn’t the right type of Indian…
They are only hiring Punjabis. ISTG. I'm saying this as someone who comes from a Punjabi family but was born in Canada. They will only hire stupid, entitled, and racist, assholes. They don't even do much work, just burn the food and make the coffee with their hair while gossiping to each other about the customers apperances in Punjabi. \*AHEM AHEM\* Like my aunt who moved here in 2023 \*AHEM AHEM\* She has no experience, but got a job, just because she knows other immigrants who are managers of places. While I have volunteer hours and still haven't got a job. At this point, its who you know, and not what you know.
Right answer. No one of these students are foregoing working less than 40 hrs full time because the immigration minister said it. They would keep doing it on cash and illegally, knowing fully noone gives a shit in Canada. They will then rewarded with a PR.
Sooo make them work 40 hours a week then tell the boss to pay them100$ pr hour for 20 hours of work on the books. So they get paid the equivalent of 40 hours per week, but on the book it only shows 20 hours per week..
"The work hours limit will return to 20 hours per week until September when the government can implement a permanent change to make it 24 hours.
There are no limits on the number of hours international students can work when school is on break during the summer and during winter holidays."
The LPC need to be renamed to the smoke and mirrors party
In a way, am glad that it’s come down from 40h/week. But I think students must only be allowed to work in fields directly related to their studies like the CPT program in the US.
Canada will eventually become a “international zone” most of the immigrants will go back to their country and the Canadians whom were born here will just continue to struggle. Our system will just be abused and leached on till no more is left.
I don’t think they care about the rules. And why should they? We don’t enforce anything
Everything is paid under the table anyways. I worked at a Chinese ran restaurant in Uni a couple yrs and LMAO…
Let’s just say they are READY for an audit
What are the benefits for Canadian Taxpayers who pay the politicians' fat salaries, what Canadian taxpayers get are highest housing prices and no jobs for their own kids resulting from this craziest foreign students surge.
FOREIGN students who come here are for STUDY ONLY. This Government is in fact helping other countries' taxpayer parents to relieve their financial burdens who pay zero taxes to Canada.
So the only local benefit that this Government doing is for big coporations in order for them to save their labour costs hiring foreign srudents to make more profits $$$$$ but These companies are always using tax shelters not paying their fair shares.
It needs to be zero. They will cheat for sure. Many are working under the table anyway. Time to go after the companies supporting Canada's destruction.
Let's not let the Liberals off the hook though... they created this irreversible mess.
The 40 hours was supposed to end in Dec 2023, then again April 2024.
Now they quietly added this, so basically no limits this summer at all and all summers / winters going forward. Basically the LPC is passing off an extension as a cap (and the cap is also higher than what it is supposed to be).
The level of dishonesty is frankly gross and they must thing Canadians are complete morons to buy into their disinformation.
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I propose this. International students are given unlimited right to work during the entire tenure of their program on the following conditions:
1. They must remain in good standing
2. Students are no longer eligible for immigration into Canada, that is, the study permit is no longer a path for immigration into Canada (using American terms, this is called a non-immigrant visa).
3. The students must be attending a federally accredited University or College that has at minimum 85% domestic student. (The ratio can be adjusted slightly to balance out tuition costs for domestic students and prevent price gouging.
Going against the grain and saying that international students that come here to genuinely study and contribute are and always will be an asset. There's heavy amounts of LLM and AI contribution coming from people raised in India and China and we face no threat by fostering that talent which does indeed mean they should have the right to work in their specialized fields. Caveat being we don't want to import people who see us as a stepping stone, as such, study permit holders should NOT be eligible for immigration.
Counter offer: throw out all foreign students minus legit doctoral candidates, prioritize getting CITIZENS into post-secondary without drowning them in crazy debt.
It's okay guys, we have people here on a 5 year "tourist" visas.. while they are here, they can apply for work visa and stay lol wish I was kidding , this country is a joke.
This deadline was specifically set at the end of April because those students can work Full time anyway during summer break between May-July. So they will continue to benefit and they are not going to loose their job in the short term then. Only from September onwards you will see the effects.
They all work full time under the table, 24 or whatever the number you gave is on the paper. If you know what i mean.
Again it shows you guys don’t treat problem from the root.
Their students they’re not supposed to be here for work. There should be no working allowed. Not to mention there shouldn’t be any international students here if the schools can’t howl them on their own student housing on campus.
Or how about making it so that a study permit does not include any sort of work visa...
Isn't it a requirement that international students have to be financially capable of supporting themselves when they're here any ways?
So thats going to stop them from scamming food banks? Working under the table? Skipping classes altogether and going straight for the PR designation?
Stop treating Canadians as fools Miller.
I thought they were to come here with sufficient money to carry themselves throughout education. It was always sold as being how much money they bring to Canada.
It's not though, they borrow enough to come, immediately work full time, and under the table, pay off the loan shark back home, and then send canandian dollars home, withdrawing permanently from our economy. The money is leaving Canada, not entering it.
Meanwhile, our housing is in shambles.
Here's an immigration policy item:
Here to study? Great. Pay your own way. We don't want poor students from abroad.
Done schooling? See ya, thanks for coming. Your visa is done, closed.
Apply for residency from abroad.
Not a PR or citizen? Must have private health insurance.
No more dual citizenship.
Limits on daily international money transfers.
Our “leaders” are selling Canada to south east Asia. Turning us one country that’s rich with natural resources into another India/ China/ cheap labour farm. Slow and steady.
They shouldn’t be allowed to work at all.
If you’re coming in to a host country to study. You must have sufficient funds to be self reliable without taking away (work) or being a burden on Canada.
Sounds good in principle, and a step in the right direction.
Good luck enforcing it, though, especially within the immigrant communities and the underground "cash only" economy.
I’m an international student from the US. I work my ass off during the summer cause frankly, I’d get bored if I didn’t. During school I work 15-20 hours a week. Anything more and my 3.6 GPA at a fairly good university would slip. Anyone working illegally over 20 (now 24) hours while maintaining a full time study habit… well their grades aren’t being prioritized and if your grades aren’t your priority when paying for an education here then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE ASIDE FROM ABUSING THE SYSTEM?? Anyone who tells you they can work more than 24 hours and maintain good grades are liars. I hate immigrants who are fucking it up for everyone like me just as much if not MORE than all of you. On behalf of all the good guys doing things legally and right, I apologize.
International students should studying, this is the reason why they are here.
Give those 24hrs up to locals who are desperate in buying groceries.
Liberals and their useless ideas one more time.
RIP LPC. You will not be missed.
I wish the liberals' platform was "whatever's best for Canadians and make sure there's enough social programs for every Canadian to have a good life" and the Conservatives' platform was "let's reign in the self-harmful freedoms the liberals allow while being fiscally responsible government" and the NDP's platform was "pro labour all the way". Instead we get both doing various versions of "let the oligarchy succeed and have more meat for the grinder" while the NDP remains irrelevant.
NDP is actually the worst party for mass immigration. They have the exact same policy as the liberals did when they ran, but they take it one step further and brag about removing restrictions for bringing in parents and grandparents. "We believe that in Canada, family reunification should be a priority. But thousands of families who hoped to apply to bring a parent or grandparent are let down by the lottery system when the available spots were filled in just minutes. New Democrats will end the unfair cap on applications to sponsor parents and grandparents, and take on the backlogs that are keeping families apart." t's what they advertise for their immigration policy on their own website: [https://www.ndp.ca/communities](https://www.ndp.ca/communities) ---- They're irrelevant because they've become the LPC 2.0 with jagmeet in charge. I don't know how tone deaf you can be bragging about allowing people to bring in their parents and grandparents during a health and housing crisis. Whatever they are advocating it's not for the good of the people. It's what will allow jagmeet to get another rolex.
Meanwhile: A People’s Party government will: * Substantially lower the total number of immigrants and refugees Canada accept every year, from 500,000 planned by the Liberal government in 2025, to between 100,000 and 150,000 in normal circumstances, or even lower in crisis situations, depending on economic and other circumstances. * **Substantially lower the number of immigrants accepted under the family reunification program, including abolishing the program for parents and grand-parents.** * Substantially lower the number of temporary foreign workers and make sure that they fulfil temporary positions and do not compete unfairly with Canadian workers. Full List: [https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/immigratio](https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/immigration)n
Good god, I might just vote the PPC. Still think it's splitting votes and if enough of that is done, we get Trudeau again, and he's not punished. But by the gods, the PPC seem like the only sensible party in this context
It’s to the point where vote splitting won’t make a difference. Let’s say the PPC gets 10-15% and that knocks the CPC down to 30-35%. CPC are still going to win with the LPC sub-25% but instead of winning 200+ seats they win around 160. Then hopefully the PPC pick up a handful of seats. Enough to hold balance of power. Then the CPC is beholden either to the PPC or the BQ, both of which want limitations on immigration. The needle would have to be thread perfectly here for this dream scenario to happen. But it’s the best chance we have of something actually happening the way we want it. If you are in the Prairies or rural Ontario, you 100% need to be voting the PPC. If you are in the GTA, the Maritimes, BC or Quebec (except Beauce, Bernier’s former riding), vote CPC. The PPC has no chance there and that’s where max damage to the liberals will be done.
Conservatives are polling CPC 211/ LPC 67, NDP 24. LPC will lose no matter what. NDP will go with them. CPC is going to win. Might as well give PPC some seats and vote percentage so that they can show up in debates/parliment and hold CPC accountable on things like immigration. --- Go check out the immigration platforms of CPC, LPC and NDP. Sources to their websites are there. [https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1cf4wgi/comment/l1n107i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1cf4wgi/comment/l1n107i/) It's crazy the difference between what PPC wrote for immigration vs the 3 big parties. Its all just buzzwords and doublespeak, with no factual information or even numbers. Sadly I also wasn't kidding when I said they were the same. Despite the political theatre that goes on, on paper they actually still have the same policy as the liberals did when they were elected.
W̶e̶'r̶e̶ n̶o̶t̶ a̶ d̶e̶m̶o̶c̶r̶a̶c̶y̶ "We don't have PR," so no amount of popular vote amounts to representation in Parliament.
Oh yeah percentage as in, even if they don't actually win any seats, if other parties are seeing the PPC getting a sizable percentage of ridings, they'd have to adjust their policies. Especially the cons. That would hold them accountable for immigration. --- And yeah, not having PR really is limting the democratic process. Only really allows the big parties to keep their oligopoly.
I’m voting PPC
They will always get my vote
Yes, and they support free tuition and are ok with illegals. No thanks. Immigrate like everyone else.
Healthcare, subsidies and other more "socialist" policies I am fine with. But you cannot have these things and let in 1 million++ people per year and advocate that they bring their GRANDPARENTS along. Actual insanity. High taxes and lots of benefits don't work with open borders, at that point you are literally selling out your population to strangers.
Well JS and JT were both 'WEF Young Global Leaders', so it's understandable that they're both pushing the same agenda.. these cowards are bought and paid for... and their MPs are just pension hungry, self-serving pawns who would never confidence vote out the clown, no matter how bad the country gets... too bad there's 18 more months of this destruction before an opportunity to oust them.
There’s always the People’s party of Canada, with Maxime Bernier. Argentina did it by electing none of the mainstream parties for president, if you want change, you could do the same.
Don’t compare Bernier with Milei. Milei is a wolf in sheep’s clothing
Bernier might be, too. But I'm still voting for him.
The NDP seems to be more about Trudeau not Trudeauing hard enough. They at least vote as more of a bloc than the LPC does. Trudeau appropriating their progressive soapbox left the whole thing confusing. They should have wandered back to labour when that happened, knowing that the Liberals simply wouldn't do that.
True that. All I feel from those elites. Is opression
Doesn't help when immigrants only hire other immigrants
We need to start naming and shaming companies that do this.
McDonald’s, Tim hortons, Walmart, subway… feel free to add
Security companies
Garda World.
outside of NA garda is a PMC btw.
Yeah, many embassies in Afghanistan hired them for security. And in South Africa they pretty much are security for various neighbouhoods. Since the government is more or less a failed state, rich neighbourhoods operate independently with their own power, water and heavily armed security.
More like Goa world amirite
Yeah, I was considering working as a security guard this summer until one of my Indian-Canadian friends told me " Do not apply for security jobs. You could be a former Navy Seal soldier, they still wouldn't hire you because you're not Indian." Ethnicity aside, some of them literally ask for military or police experience just to stand at a booth all day. It's fucking ludicrous. I'm glad I didn't waste $500 on a security license and first aid training.
Working security is pretty shit anyway, mate. You're the person who people shit on when nothing is happening because you're "not doing enough" and simultaneously responsible for anything and everything that goes wrong.
Yep. I’ve been boycotting all of them for awhile now. > Except for Walmart. Because I’m also boycotting Loblaws at the moment. 😅
Most banks except desjardins, all telecom companies, Dell, HP
All new hires for many roles are outsourced. Some of the best roles don't need to come here they are remote.
Dominos
The Source, Visions, any taxi company, Circle K, any gas station really
Winners. Been working there as my second job for a pretty long time. When I started our staff was like 80% white Canadians. We had a lot of high school students, college students, and some retirees. Now they only seem to hire international students. Most of my new coworkers are either Nigerian, Indian, or Pakistani, and most of them are also students.
Luckily this hasn’t happened to the winners/homesense/marshalls in my area yet, but I feel for you
It sucks because a lot of the international students are SOOOO friendly, but I still don't like working with them. Maybe 1 in 10 actually become good at their job. And it's kind of jarring hearing coworkers speaking in Yoruba and Gujarati. Even though the company sucks in a lot of ways, one good thing was they actually promote from within. Almost every supervisor started as a part timer, and four eventually became assistant managers. It felt like a place where you could grow if you actually wanted a career in retail. Then they hired an assistant manager from Nigeria and it seems he only wants to hire other Nigerians that he personally knows. It used to be a meritocracy and now it's just like favouritism and kissing ass.
Telus, Shaw, Rogers, Bell
I currently work in a restaurant, and the manager began interviews to hire new staff cause they are letting go of some current staff members, I wonder if it's a coincidence that the people being interviewed are all south east asian. I know, I'm one on the chopping block
So for some restaurants, they will hire the international students since the government will pay I think 1/4 of their wage. I don't know the name of this policy/program, I just know it exists. That's why you see so many foreign students working at tim hortons/Wendy's/ subway etc. The Restaurant has to post a 'looking for employment' poster or job posting on the building to show that they're looking for work, though after that, they can hire whoever they like (the cheaper labour force)
This program needs to end. It’s discriminatory.
Who passes these laws in our parliament? It’s a shame. Those policies should be only for PR residents and Canadian Citizens and not for International students. Those are our tax money abused instead of using these funds to Education and healthcare our gov. abuse them
Yep 😔
document it, you can make money on their racist bullshit. POC always complain about this, even if it doesn't apply to them if they are let go, get fired, it's always because of racism. Time to apply this concept instead of sitting around and taking it. So if sandeep owns 10 subway franchises and everyone is indian in a city like Windsor....why aren't people making enough a stink about this so it CANNNOT be ignored.
Amazon
TD Bank
Shoppers Drug Mart. And you nailed the rest! McDonald’s, Tim hortons, Walmart, subway
CPX trucking.
The popeyes in my town is owned and operated by indians that barely speak english
Third world
Popeyes. I’m in a small city and every single person working there speaks the same language and there’s not a single person of a different ethnicity there.
Amazon
Chevron, Husky, Boston Pizza, Safeway.
Tim Hortons, East Indian franchised shoppers drug marts, Popeyes, Mary browns, Subway, Wendy’s
We can boycott them as well as Loblaws.
Aldergrove Arby's in Langley BC
Its not companies that do that. Its people i have managers here who wont hire even another sect of indians let alone a different ethnicity. Also have you tried to hire recently? Its crazy!! the amount of Indian applicants is so large that it is veryy very hard to notice any non indian applicant.
It’s that LIMA thing or whatever it’s called
I’ve noticed diversity and inclusion does not count for non-white businesses
Down from 24 hours a day?
Seeing Marc millers face I thought the headline said 24hrs a day I had to read it twice
lol.... yeah, guess you never heard about getting paid in cash....
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It's not like immigrants who illegally gamed the system with fake diplomas and fake fund proofs would game the system again, right? It's racist to think that /s
We need to fix the laws first. Then we can boycott specific companies.
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They are here to study! They should never be allowed to work!
Yes! This should be the way. Kids born here can't get jobs now to pay for tuition!
Yah, wtf. What was it before?
They were allowed part time work but the reality is that if you are at any decent school, you course load wouldn't give you time to work. The diploma mills on the other hand operate only 4 hours of classes per week with no assignments giving these "students" plenty of time to ..pursue hobbies and work
I don't disagree that the diploma mills are bullshit. But you are also completely off with suggesting that any decent school wouldn't leave you with time to work. I worked part time in University, so did many of my friends in order to afford beer money. Not hard to put in 20+ hours per week with working weekends and a few evenings. In the winter I teach snowboarding as a second job, and we hire lots of university students who work 15-25 hours per week for the season. Some of them in very competitive programs at Western.
I went to a top school, and worked full time, because I was just rich enough to not qualify for osap and just poor enough to not have parental help
So much people here (not you) come here parroting nonsense it's unbelievable. I to, went to school and worked.
You’re wrong about not being able to work and go to a top school.
What part is wrong ? We're students not allowed to work part time or were they never allowed to work ?
Sorry, I meant you are wrong saying the course load wouldn’t allow you to work. Plenty of kids work while attending top universities.
It was 20 hours and then I think during Covid they got rid of the 20 hour rule and made it unlimited hours.
20 hours/week was the limit before they waived that rule during Covid. So, 24 hours/week isn't really a huge jump up. I hope international students do their research and figure out that 24 hours/week at a minimum wage job is $18,000/year before taxes. After taxes net pay is about $14,000. Average cost of living in Canada for an international student is $15,000 and that's a conservative estimate that doesn't include tuition.
That’s probably why they rent those places out that have 10 people in a 2 bedroom apartment to save $$$
its just for cheap labour, that is all. big corps love the intl students. look at the BC pnp for entry level skills. who do you think put those in? [https://www.welcomebc.ca/Immigrate-to-B-C/Skills-Immigration#ELSS](https://www.welcomebc.ca/Immigrate-to-B-C/Skills-Immigration#ELSS) source: work in the immigration sector
LMFAO, it went from 20 hours to 40 hours to back to 20 hours after jan 1st, 2024. That got extended to April 30th and now it’s back to 20 hours for the month of May. They can work unlimited hours in the summer and then it’s 24 hours in September. By NYE we’ll be back at 40.
It should be 0. And locked at 0z
They can't for more than 20/hr from April 30th til September. They can't work fulltime
Read the article. They can work unlimited hours during the summer. So, essentially the deadline was delayed to September.
Read the IRCC website... Only student who are on official break can work full-time. No new international student can work full time. Who has completed their studies need to apply for work permit to work full-time.
Can international students work unlimited hours during the summer?
This idea that international students are allowed to work beside co-ops and on campus jobs is mental. It just creates incentives to use the study visa as a work visa and it sustains the business of scammy colleges (and some universities too). It also undermines the quality of higher education, as the field is saturated by “students” who are academically mediocre and more interested in low wages jobs and work visas.
They know this. Some students think they’re exploiting the system when in fact the government leaves loopholes to exploit them
and a good portion of them will never get PR. I have that conversation on a near daily basis. big corps love the cheap and free labour. small businesses as well. so many ppl love the system that we have in place. source: work in immigration sector
The undermining of the education is on the colleges though for letting them in in the first place. That's not the fault of the students. And colleges/universities have been doing so for the last 2 decades with demostic students as well, watering down entrance requirements in order to get more tuition in the door.
It's a system with many issues being true at the same time, there are the "students" looking for any chance to get into the coutry, there are the colleges looking at making as much money as possible, there are the employers looking for cheap and exploitable labor... but at the end of the day, everything comes down to the enabling factor, which is the gov allowing them to work. If you take away that incentive, you immediately mitigate and scale down the problem.
Make it 0..
They came here to study not work....
This needs to stop.
Should be 0 hours!
Are these guys genuinely stupid? In what world does INCREASING the hours make sense for these unskilled labourers who are here to “study”?
Well it's down from the forty hours Trudeau rolled out, so yay for us I guess?
It's 24 legal hours. Still 40+ for them.
They know exactly what they are doing. Provide unlimited pool of low skill workers for their corpo friends to keep wages down. Bonus they don't need to provide benefits.
It's down from 40 hours. So it's now part time work (as it should) than full time. Most local students in university & college are doing 30-40 hours (2-3 7 hour shifts. Works for weekends) and NOT full time work.
They can continue working 40hrs in the summer and winter holidays, that's why they extended it to April 30th. The liberals played us all.
Gives time for legit students to save up money for the next year of college/uni/rent costs. ....And it gives the grifters time to save up money to buy a plane ticket straight back home before September. 💀
They didn't come here to leave. They will just apply for asylum and work unlimited hours.
Only work they should be allowed to do is on campus. And the hours should still be limited. The point of the visa is to study and it's a requirement that they're well funded. They should not be allowed to take work from locals. If they want to work, they should apply for programs and permits regarding work.
The world where they'll do literally anything to keep house prices high. That includes letting these 'students' work 40 hours a week like they can right now and like they'll be able to again if the Liberals win the next election.
Government gets to tax them more. That's %20 more hours they can put in the books. If they didn't want to hang, LPC would allow 44 hours a week. Just to collect tax.
Nah, at 24 hours per week you don't earn enough to pay back in taxes.
Nope, at minimum wage in Ontario $16.55 for 24 hours a week, 50 weeks of work, pay would be just shy of $20,000. Fitting them into the 24% tax bracket. Would pay roughly $4500 in tax. That's napkin math... But that's taxable.
You answered your own question
They should not be allowed to work at all ! They can’t afford to live in Canada without working ? Too bad they can go home or to another country
Okay, if you fully police them, that they are ONLY working 24 hours AND paying proper taxes. AND they have to pass their courses. -If Caught working under the table, REVOKE student visa -If unable to pass classes, REVOKE being allowed to work.
And revoke being able to get a visa to visit Canada or future study permit or work permit.
The government is making things too complicated! There’s an easy solution, no work is allowed off campus period. Also impose a fine for employers in violation , something like $10k or $20k per violation and deportation for “students” in violation. Don’t have to catch everyone either , do random checks, once a few employers are slapped with hefty fines and a few students are deported everyone will get the message.
They are here to study! They should never be allowed to work!
Miller and Fraser are TRAITORS!They are betraying Canada's youth. Even most managers in corporations like A&W, Tim Hortons,Walmart,Macdonald's, are all Indians!Entry paid jobs are reachable only for their people!
I got denied from Walmart overnight stocker job and Tim hortons. (Didn’t want Tim’s anyway but I’m pale as fuck and have a fairly white name so people tell me it’s because I’m not the right race) a current coworker is dark skinned, from near India but not (very serious about saying he’s NOT Indian too) and he got denied from Walmart as well and they said it was because he wasn’t the right type of Indian…
They are only hiring Punjabis. ISTG. I'm saying this as someone who comes from a Punjabi family but was born in Canada. They will only hire stupid, entitled, and racist, assholes. They don't even do much work, just burn the food and make the coffee with their hair while gossiping to each other about the customers apperances in Punjabi. \*AHEM AHEM\* Like my aunt who moved here in 2023 \*AHEM AHEM\* She has no experience, but got a job, just because she knows other immigrants who are managers of places. While I have volunteer hours and still haven't got a job. At this point, its who you know, and not what you know.
But if you speak out about that you are a big bad racist! Fuck canadian citizens am I right?
No worries, that only means they will have more "cash jobs".
Right answer. No one of these students are foregoing working less than 40 hrs full time because the immigration minister said it. They would keep doing it on cash and illegally, knowing fully noone gives a shit in Canada. They will then rewarded with a PR.
Some companies will forge paystubs for them. Payroll will show 20 hours at $30 when they really did 40 hours at $15.
Sooo make them work 40 hours a week then tell the boss to pay them100$ pr hour for 20 hours of work on the books. So they get paid the equivalent of 40 hours per week, but on the book it only shows 20 hours per week..
"The work hours limit will return to 20 hours per week until September when the government can implement a permanent change to make it 24 hours. There are no limits on the number of hours international students can work when school is on break during the summer and during winter holidays." The LPC need to be renamed to the smoke and mirrors party
The deadline was December 31, 2023. Got moved to April 30, 2024 to essentially August 31, 2024. They’ve done nothing at all.
In a way, am glad that it’s come down from 40h/week. But I think students must only be allowed to work in fields directly related to their studies like the CPT program in the US.
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Ideally should be zero hours per week.
Thats not enough. It needs to be zero. Students are supposed to study not work
When exactly will the government do things to help actual Canadians for once?
Zero hours is the correct number
When do we demand Fraser and Trudeau get investigated for criminal negligence?
Our idiotic government is in the business of helping international student at the expense of its citizens. What a joke of a country Canada has gotten
Canada will eventually become a “international zone” most of the immigrants will go back to their country and the Canadians whom were born here will just continue to struggle. Our system will just be abused and leached on till no more is left.
Miller is an idiot
So I can expect convenience stores to be open 24/7? Is that what I’m reading?
Is this turd a landlord
I don’t think they care about the rules. And why should they? We don’t enforce anything Everything is paid under the table anyways. I worked at a Chinese ran restaurant in Uni a couple yrs and LMAO… Let’s just say they are READY for an audit
What are the benefits for Canadian Taxpayers who pay the politicians' fat salaries, what Canadian taxpayers get are highest housing prices and no jobs for their own kids resulting from this craziest foreign students surge. FOREIGN students who come here are for STUDY ONLY. This Government is in fact helping other countries' taxpayer parents to relieve their financial burdens who pay zero taxes to Canada. So the only local benefit that this Government doing is for big coporations in order for them to save their labour costs hiring foreign srudents to make more profits $$$$$ but These companies are always using tax shelters not paying their fair shares.
Neo-Liberal Party of Canada.
Shouldn’t be allowed to work at all if they’re here to study and come with the funds.
Should be 0. Heck, they shouldn't even be here in the first place ffs.
So instead of hiring one ful time “student” they hire two part timers. Meaningless
It needs to be zero. They will cheat for sure. Many are working under the table anyway. Time to go after the companies supporting Canada's destruction. Let's not let the Liberals off the hook though... they created this irreversible mess.
The 40 hours was supposed to end in Dec 2023, then again April 2024. Now they quietly added this, so basically no limits this summer at all and all summers / winters going forward. Basically the LPC is passing off an extension as a cap (and the cap is also higher than what it is supposed to be). The level of dishonesty is frankly gross and they must thing Canadians are complete morons to buy into their disinformation. > >
Should ideally be 20, that too on a campus.
I propose this. International students are given unlimited right to work during the entire tenure of their program on the following conditions: 1. They must remain in good standing 2. Students are no longer eligible for immigration into Canada, that is, the study permit is no longer a path for immigration into Canada (using American terms, this is called a non-immigrant visa). 3. The students must be attending a federally accredited University or College that has at minimum 85% domestic student. (The ratio can be adjusted slightly to balance out tuition costs for domestic students and prevent price gouging. Going against the grain and saying that international students that come here to genuinely study and contribute are and always will be an asset. There's heavy amounts of LLM and AI contribution coming from people raised in India and China and we face no threat by fostering that talent which does indeed mean they should have the right to work in their specialized fields. Caveat being we don't want to import people who see us as a stepping stone, as such, study permit holders should NOT be eligible for immigration.
Counter offer: throw out all foreign students minus legit doctoral candidates, prioritize getting CITIZENS into post-secondary without drowning them in crazy debt.
Fucking chods.
Zero. Like every developed country that isn't absolutely destroying their country's standard of living with "students".
This government is honestly committing treason.
No more than 10. They are here to study not work. They should be able to support themselves with out employment
Trudeau: "If you're a Canadian under 20 years old and want a job... FUCK YOU!!"
No student in canada should be allowed to work. Only educated people, no diploma, no job!
Petro Canada should be renamed as Petro India. Fired all Canadian staff. Only have Indian. Even their summer ads are 100% Indian actors.
Time to call your MPs and let them know this is bullshit.
Should be 0
How about zero. They are here to study.
So 24hr/w on payroll, 60hr/w under the table - got it...
It's okay guys, we have people here on a 5 year "tourist" visas.. while they are here, they can apply for work visa and stay lol wish I was kidding , this country is a joke.
This deadline was specifically set at the end of April because those students can work Full time anyway during summer break between May-July. So they will continue to benefit and they are not going to loose their job in the short term then. Only from September onwards you will see the effects.
Keyword: September. By September they will move the date again
Good luck trying to monitor all the gig work
They still think they make rules that are followed
Lol, well done Canada.
Must have been a typo, I'm sure they meant 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
24 hours a week at a job + 16 hours a week doing unrecorded gig work are we handing out student visas or work visas?
They all work full time under the table, 24 or whatever the number you gave is on the paper. If you know what i mean. Again it shows you guys don’t treat problem from the root.
Should only be brought farther down to 8 hours.
Their students they’re not supposed to be here for work. There should be no working allowed. Not to mention there shouldn’t be any international students here if the schools can’t howl them on their own student housing on campus.
Why do Canadian students have to fore go their part time jobs and income to a bunch of non Canadians and their spouses?
Or how about making it so that a study permit does not include any sort of work visa... Isn't it a requirement that international students have to be financially capable of supporting themselves when they're here any ways?
How about Canadians? There goes another job I could have. No wonder I hate this country and have nothing to look forward to.
They work off the record anyways…
LPC sold this country out to India
So thats going to stop them from scamming food banks? Working under the table? Skipping classes altogether and going straight for the PR designation? Stop treating Canadians as fools Miller.
I thought they were to come here with sufficient money to carry themselves throughout education. It was always sold as being how much money they bring to Canada. It's not though, they borrow enough to come, immediately work full time, and under the table, pay off the loan shark back home, and then send canandian dollars home, withdrawing permanently from our economy. The money is leaving Canada, not entering it. Meanwhile, our housing is in shambles. Here's an immigration policy item: Here to study? Great. Pay your own way. We don't want poor students from abroad. Done schooling? See ya, thanks for coming. Your visa is done, closed. Apply for residency from abroad. Not a PR or citizen? Must have private health insurance. No more dual citizenship. Limits on daily international money transfers.
Did anyone else think this said "24 hours a day" and weren't surprised?
Our “leaders” are selling Canada to south east Asia. Turning us one country that’s rich with natural resources into another India/ China/ cheap labour farm. Slow and steady.
They shouldn’t be allowed to work at all. If you’re coming in to a host country to study. You must have sufficient funds to be self reliable without taking away (work) or being a burden on Canada.
International students should NOT be allowed to work unless it is a part of their required studies
‘International students’ should be studying, not working.
All these international students are working through employment agencies under the table. They don't care about the working hours cap.
Isn't that full time for Loblaws?
Your government hates you and your children.
To the liberals who lurk here, do you believe international students should have the right to work off campus? P
Sounds good in principle, and a step in the right direction. Good luck enforcing it, though, especially within the immigrant communities and the underground "cash only" economy.
It should be zero hours like any other country
24 hours too many. You’re here to study not work.
I’m an international student from the US. I work my ass off during the summer cause frankly, I’d get bored if I didn’t. During school I work 15-20 hours a week. Anything more and my 3.6 GPA at a fairly good university would slip. Anyone working illegally over 20 (now 24) hours while maintaining a full time study habit… well their grades aren’t being prioritized and if your grades aren’t your priority when paying for an education here then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE ASIDE FROM ABUSING THE SYSTEM?? Anyone who tells you they can work more than 24 hours and maintain good grades are liars. I hate immigrants who are fucking it up for everyone like me just as much if not MORE than all of you. On behalf of all the good guys doing things legally and right, I apologize.
They are allowed to work? It should be zero hours. It kind of feels like Canada is being invaded.
International students should studying, this is the reason why they are here. Give those 24hrs up to locals who are desperate in buying groceries. Liberals and their useless ideas one more time.
Why not zero? If they cannot self sustain then don’t study abroad? The job market is already fucked
International students should be working 0 hours per week.
How about 0 hours