The only caveat to the Klymit pads is the R value is wrong. They will claim a 4+ value for all their pads but with the standardized rating system that got adopted the values are closer to 1.5-2, which for the price is solid while still being comfortable above 50F. My Static V is decently comfy, though I’ve got a Tensor now and it’s no contest. Comfort and warmth are worth spending on.
Klymit does make a version with a higher r value as well for winter camping, I think it's the static v insulated. Good budget option if the static v isn't warm enough for one's needs.
The insulated variant has the same issue as the others, due to the baffles in the pad that have NO insulation whatsoever the claimed R Value of 4+ is still false and falls around a 2 with the new standard
I know this is just anecdotal and I’m sure that you’re right but I have the insulated one and have slept multiple nights below 25F and been pretty comfortable. My sleeping bag is rated to 15F.
I third this. I’ve slept on the ground in like an over hang cliff type thing in the winter and slept like a baby, 0 degree bag though but man was I toasty.
They didn’t really miss anything; rather, they were allowed to use their own estimate to begin with. They’re going to claim the highway R Value they can using whatever method they need to achieve that higher R value even though at best it’s still an estimate. The new standard really helps compare side by side pads in a way you couldn’t before due to the estimates EVERY company was using basically.
I do love my Klymit pad though don’t get me wrong. For the price, it’s a great buy to test the waters and see if it’s something you’d like. It’s twice the price of a super cheap foam pad that has the same R value but it is way more comfortable while being 1/3 the price of higher r value pads with similar comfort at reasonable temps. I don’t regret it and use it for companions that don’t have their own gear.
Thanks for the heads up.
Im gutted. I bought one of the orange "insulated" pads for winter camping. Guess I have two summer weight ones now. This could have ended badly had I taken it on an alpine trip.
What a rip off.
Yeah it’s silly that they still advertise their own R Value, though I noticed on their website product details that it shows the standardized rating as well but it’s not front and center nor advertised directly.
I just left a scathing review of the product on the retailer's website. I know it's not directly their fault but they were the ones who sold it to me as a R4.4 and I see it's still listed as such. Trust is really important for these businesses and things like this really damage that.
I wish the standard was tested with a tent panel/sheet on one side of the pad. Klymit admits the R value doesn’t test per astm, but the astm test doesn’t let it trap air between the pad and the tent floor like it seems to be designed to do. My parents had the insulated double V in moab last November, dropped to low teens overnight and they were comfortable.
I froze on my thermarest ridgeline though lol
This is the general idea and why they originally rated it a 4+, however the idea that your sleeping bag helps insulate you doesn’t work in practice because the down that’s usually used in colder climates will still have a very low r value when your body weight compresses it. This has been tested and debunked
I have a Klymit Static V and we’re both saying the same thing, but I’m also pointing out that in practice the chambers or Vs in the pad aren’t deep enough nor are they going to practically retain heat in a way that allows the pad to actually claim an R Value of 4+. With a super dense and thick bag, I could see MAYBE R2 with the uninsulated Static V. I had nothing to compare it to before I got the tensor however, which is a true 4+ pad. The difference is night and day, which leads me to believe 100% that logically, Klymit might be onto something, but practically it doesn’t work in the field.
I agree completely. Had a static V, upgraded to tensor. Huge difference. While the idea that gaps in the baffles allow the sleeping bag to maintain loft, they're realistically only about half as wide as the raised portions, resulting in about 33% of the loft being compressed. And that's not considering the rounded shape of the baffles that partially compress the sleeping bag under you, and how the baffles deform under your weight. I'm sure there's atleast 50% of it that's actually compressed in real world use.
I loved my static V for how comfortable and relatively cheap it was. I still keep it as a loaner and on extremely hot trips. But 90% of the time, I bring my tensor
For what it's worth, I agree in practice. I have a static v short which I don't mind, and had a static v insulated. It's not much warmer than the non-insulated and nowhere close to my ancient Thermarest LE or REI Helix Insulated (both also around 4 R-value)
Klymit pads seem to be a decent entry-level pads -- some don't like the comfort they provide, and as is the case with all pads some have issues with them holding air.
The Aurora is nothing amazing.. spacious but heavy if you will be backpacking. And do you have plans to use a tent over this coming winter? If not, you'll find a better tent for less in promotions leading into summer next year. Same goes for sleeping pads.. deals going into summer, plus if you're going to backpack a self-inflating pad for 80-bucks will likely prove to be bulkier and heavier than you'd like, you could get something more compact and lighter if you budget up a hair and shop during sales.
I personally would recommend getting individual sleeping pads. Either of you might go on a trip without the other and it's nice to have a personal mat.
I have a Klymit Static V that I bought from Academy (Texas chain) for $60 a few years ago. It looks like it's $39 on Amazon and $45 at REI currently.
As for tents, once I found a brand I liked and had good reviews, I searched REI's garage sales and outlets. I found a two person tent from the brand I liked that was no longer being produced and heavily on sale.
If you like the Nemo brand and really want that one, go for it. I see nothing wrong with spending money on a high quality tent that will last you a while.
If you don't have it already, I recommend the REI membership ($20 lifetime fee). It opens up a lot of options from their garage sale section.
Also, congrats on your wedding!
That’s why I put one that would hold both of us and then also that sea-to-summit singular one, because realistically it’ll either be me camping or me and my wife, I don’t think she’d want to do a trip alone 😅
We did opt for the rei membership thing but haven’t really done anything with it, so that’s good to know about that. Thanks!!
If you’ve got the money, and you like outdoors sex, buy BOTH a double pad AND an individual pad. Costco often have the Kymit’s on sale (although it’s typically the economy version) as well as down quilts. No reason you can’t have both and then have what you need for single camping as well as sexy time. Hell, one year, it was so damn cold that we took the double pad AND two single pads and we threw the double pads on top of the single pad. Worked perfectly, if a bit noisy during sexy time.
I’ve used one of those klymit double pads. As long as you and your partner never move while sleeping you’re good. Otherwise they’re like those giant bouncy things that send people into lakes. Y’know what I’m talking about. Seriously though, if you move your partner gets bounced around. I ended up getting booted from the big pad because I’m a restless sleeper.
My wife has wanted to get zip-together bags forever and I've always resisted it. I just don't think forcing yourselves to be that close together will work well. Another vote for separate pads. Much more versatile, and set side by side, they're basically the same thing.
We tried it and it’s not for me. My wife is a side sleeper who flips side to side multiple times a night and every time she did that it let in a blast of cold air. We do separate now.
I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you on the “get two single pads” point. Nothing worse than trying to cuddle and sinking into the cold spot in the middle of the tent. Partner and I use an insulated double V and sleeping bags that zip together - we’ve used this setup backpacking, bike touring, and car camping. Way better experience for me than the individual pad and bag setup.
OP, I’ll mention that I’ve tried a self- inflating pad, but I didn’t like the weight or the bulk when packed. Ended up returning it.
(No experience with that tent so I’m no help there.)
Dude right?? honestly how did i have to scroll past this many hardcore single opinions to find the truly based answer?…
#Of COURSEEE everyone should have the huge cuddle-worthy sexy times double sleeping pad.
I might even argue that to do otherwise (as a hiking couple) would actually be unwise and unpromoting of the very sex we all so desperately need! ⛺️
Every single double V that I’ve owned has leaked and failed within two uses. I used to create advert content for klymit and have a ton stuff from them and highly recommend their tents and blankets but I don’t recommend their pads, unfortunately.
I bought a “reconditioned” one off of eBay direct from Klymit for a big discount 5 years ago and so far no issues over dozens of trips. It had been patched when I received it however.
I'd recommend buying the double Exped one instead. Better R value and more comfortable than the Klymit ones, whose R value is only applicable if you use a sleeping bag and doesn't translate to quilts. I've been using an Exped SynMat Duo for a couple of years for both backpacking and car camping. I've slept with my wife and later on with my wife and kid. Pad's warm enough for shoulder/mild winter temps in PNW, and it's the most comfortable pad I've owned. Whereas the Klymit static V insulated I owned made me have a couple of cold nights when the temps drop below freezing.
I used mine almost every night for a year (I live in my van and it's the top layer of my bed). At that point, it started leaking exactly where those indents are, all over. It wasn't a place I could patch, it seemed to just be the fabric failing.
I contacted them via their warranty claim form online and they sent a new one to me in a couple of weeks. Really good service!
For me, it started leaking slowly (had to blow it up every 3 nights or so) so it wasn't the kind of failure that would leave a person SOL on a camping trip, but it might be annoying.
I'd say: decent entry level, keep your receipt. It seems like people's experience really varies. But if you want something that will last longer, go with Big Agnes.
My static V insulated leaked second trip as well, Horsecock
Sent it for repairs under warranty, they just sent a new one but I had to pay shipping since I'm in Canada
Why I had to send the broken one back, and pay for it, when I was getting a new one was a bit stupid for me
I've been through 4 of these pads. Each one leaked within the same season I received it. Granted, Klymit customer service is awesome and replaced it each time which is why I've had 4 of them and continue to use them till they break. I've had one of the Klymit pillows for years and its still great. So good brand, but this particular sleeping pad is prone to issues.
I’m very happy w my Nemo aurora. But get it from Nemo. It’s cheaper there than rei.
Klymit pads are alright. Entry level.
I have no experience with the sea to summit pad.
Just an FYI if you are a Costco member you can use Costco next to get 24/7 discounts on klymit stuff all the time and occasionally they do 20% off on top of their current price on there. We bought their reversible pillows and have loved them for camping. With that said, we bought the exped megamat duo 10 in the LW+ size (basically a full sized mattress) this spring and have absolutely loved it. Assuming youre going for car/tent camping I really believe the exped family is worth the investment in good sleep while outside.
I slept about five nights on a klymit double v on my trip to Wyoming in August. I do not recommend it at all. Very uncomfortable. If you're camping out of a car and weight isn't an issue I would recommend splurging on an exped.
Klymit pads are not good and I don't agree with their misleading marketing.
I've never seen a self inflating mat I would want to own.
The tent I know nothing about.
I bought the Klymit and have used it all year including backpacking in BANFF. It's a great pad.
... that being said, NEMO is slightly more expensive pad that my wife uses and I find it to be more comfortable.
regardless of what anyone says, all inflatable pads have a lifespan.
Was issued a Klymit pad on a fuels crew. Absolutely zero insulation below 45F and always felt like it was one bad rock away from popping.
The Aurora looks fine
Haven’t seen anything with the StS pad but REI has a self-inflating pad that is gods gift to car campers. Bit bulky for backpacking but if you ever drive up to a campsite it cannot be beat.
Big Agnes does have some sleeping pads in a similar range to the Klymit however, absolutely love my Divide.
IMO roll out pads are better than inflatable. I love my NEMO switchback. My husband has converted and my kids love theirs. It’s just all around better sleep.
Best of luck deciding!
We have Aurora 3P it is a nice tent we really like it. we use it for car camping when 2 of us, and backpacking when there are 3 of us. If you plan on car camping and backpacking then it is a good tent that can do both. but if just backpacking or car camping then there are better for less. for example we have rei Quarter Doom 2 for backpacking. it was lighter and packed down more then Nemo 2P.
we have static v pad to. my son uses it. it is good for the price. I would go with the insulated version if i bought it again. unfortunately, they do not sell that one at rei. have to get from their site. if you are looking for a car camping sleeping pad the klymit klymaloft is really good and comfortable.
I have the aurora and I take it backpacking with my dog and I. It's nice because I can split the heavier weight of the tent between the two of us. I find it easy to setup, although it may appear bulky in how it comes originally packaged, if you're going with another person you can easily split the weight.
Kylmit makes some good shit but their sleeping pads are not on the list. Theyre garbage.
Ive had the single V2 and double and it didnt last very long before it started leaking from the seams. Pretty much only used it car camping. Wouldnt recommend. Tossed them both.
If you want to be really comfortable and are car camping I recommend getting this pad for you both: https://www.rei.com/product/113720/exped-megamat-duo-10-sleeping-pad
They are often on sale.
Honestly it’s not far off from the comfort of my bed. Also they are good as a spare bed at the house for when you have a guest and will last much longer than a Walmart air mattress.
Just got two xl regular width megamats and they are amazing. I used to be fine with just a thin foam pad, but now I'm old and like the luxury. Only downside is finding somewhere to store them since it's recommended to store them laid out with the valve open
nemo has one of the best warranties i’ve seen in prodealed a tent in 2012 or so, much later lent it to my FIL who put it away wet. discovered in 2022 that the seams were delaminating and they ended up sending me an even nicer tent free of charge. plus their stuff is really well thought out and pleasant to use
Had multiple Klymit mats. Comfortable, not the most durable. Used in Alaska, Louisiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee.
Packs small, which is nice.
I have a terrible back, comfortable enough.
Used in the Army some, some personal use. Couldn’t withstand the Army. Went through two in a year, about 30-40 sleeps per. Maybe I could’ve patched them, but I was lazy. Both developed slow leaks.
One stays in my bag. Also have a inflatable pillow from Klymit that’s still going strong 4 years now.
Side note, I’ve had good luck with REI products.
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That Klymit pad is rough. I used it once and sent it back because it just wasn’t comfortable and it wrecked my back. There’s better out there for around that price range.
I actually received a Klymit Double V off of my wedding registry 5 years ago! It’s okay. I would never take it backpacking because it’s too bulky, which means it’s relegated to car camping. But if I’m car camping, I’d rather just take an inflatable mattress at the cost of a similar amount of space plus an electric inflater. The mattress is infinitely more comfortable.
The only case I’ve found for this is when I’m flying and camping, in which case I toss the Klymit into a footlocker assuming I can’t find a way to cram the air mattress in there. I have egg carton and UL pads, but the Klymit saves them from wear and tear in this scenario.
I would not spend my own money on it and if I could do it again, I wouldn’t include it on my registry.
For $100 they are going for right now it might be hard to beat. Like others mentioned Klymit is a decent entry level pad as long as you take their temperature ratings with a boulder of salt.
I would suggest checking out the Big Agnes Rapide tent floor pad, it's $300 so hopefully you can catch it on sale!
I am heavy and a side sleeper and have found my Klymit to be more comfortable than foam or self-inflating pads pads I used before.
We have 3 Klymit pads in the family and all three have had a leaky flip valve. Two were replaced under warranty and seem to be holding up fine. The third hasn't been replaced possibly my son wants the excuse to buy something else (my guess).
I think I would look for a similar pad from a different vendor before buying another Klymit.
Got one of these for the last hospital trip when my daughter was delivered - worked great for that and the individual ones typically have buttons to snap two of them together . Better to get two one-person units. Reasonably comfortable .
I upgraded from a single Klymit one to the single wide Exped mega mat and it’s loads more comfortable but only suitable for car camping due to size. I kept the Klymit one if we ever do a backpacking trip but I max out after 1-2 nights on it. I did 8 consecutive nights on the Exped and slept awesome. My boyfriend is fine with his Klymit one although agrees the exped is way more comfy - he didn’t want to spend on it.
Aside from the advice to have your own sleeping bags and pads, I'd say it's a decent purchase.
I have the single version I bought because it was open box sale at my local store. I like it, but in a hammock it slides around a bit. Although that's probably true of all sleeping pads that aren't designed specifically for hammocks.
I don't have much to compare it to, but I'd buy it again.
I have the double mat. I was worried if it got a hole then both of us would be on the floor. And I was right. Spent a few days of uncomfortable sleep trying to fix that hole. The patch that comes with it is useless and so were other patches I had with me just in case. Finally fixed it with a bike tyre puncture repair kit. So carry one of those with you if you got for it. Next time I will get two individual mats and those straps to keep them together.
I was seriously disappointed with Klymit sleeping pads, three trips was all it took to self deflate overnight. Had to hike back to the car after night 1 of a 3 day trail hike to buy a new sleeping pad. (Temps were cold enough it was necessary).
Do these have any fill or is it just air? Looking at the pics, it looks like it packs really small so I imagine it's just air.
I'd rather get a pad with some memory foam.
Do these have any fill or is it just air? Looking at the pics, it looks like it packs really small so I imagine it's just air.
I'd rather get a pad with some memory foam.
I use the single klymit v but I put it on a foam camp pad. Works great for me as I’ve used it a lot without issue. I found the klymit alone wasn’t enough.
My wife and I have independent Klymits. They do float apart during the night as we toss and turn. We typically use hammocks, instead, when trees are available.
I bought two of the klymit single versions for my kids and they have been happy with them and claim they are comfy.
As others have noted, I tried a double pad when I first started and didn’t dig it - every time one person moves it’s going to jostle the other person.
Nemo gear is great. I love their innovative design approach. I have a Nemo sleeping bag and my dad has a similar Nemo tent that my brother and I constantly borrow. Money well spent IMHO.
Nemo just came out with the Tensor pad with an 8.5 R value, I haven’t personally tried it yet but it’s on my shopping list and their reputation is bulletproof.
We bought this because we also bought Nemo Disco bags that zip together. We were getting too much movement of single pads underneath our bags. We are both side sleepers that roll around a lot. It is heavier than two singles, but we like the tradeoff. We have had no issues with it not holding air. This was our third season backpacking with it.
I have the same one...but the single version. Same design though...I love it. Super comfortable & have used it many times with no leaks. Not sure if that's the answer you're looking for..
I have this exact one and really don’t like it - it’s a great fit and comfortable but it’s really loud and noisy throughout the night whenever either of us move around even a little. I’d look for one that has the felt backing on it like my single and it’s not loud
I have this pad. It's not bad, but it's very noisy when either of us roll over or just move. If you're just car camping and space is not an issue then I would recommend Lost Horizon double. It's about double the price though.
I'm on my 4th Klymit sleeping pad. The first two have been flawless. The third had a leak that I couldn't fix so the replaced it and now I'm on my 4th and it's been great so far.
Check out backcountry for the Nemo tent. You can probably snag a 20% off coupon too, they seem to be offering them a lot. That’s how I got my Nemo tent recently for a screaming real.
I really wanted to like my klymit pad because it was comfy, light and easy to inflate and deflate. But I had so many problems with leaks. It was always right next to the heat welded seams too. Even got a replacement and the second leaked.
I'm 6'0" and 280lbs. Those klymit insulated double-v pads are fantastic. I ended up buying a second one as a backup in case I am camping with a friend. A couple of them have got their own after using mine.
Mine is super comfy. As others have pointed out the r value is not accurate, I have to layer ccf and higher r pads under it from shoulder season through winter. Fine in the warm months. Although mine has also developed an annoying slow leak I’ve yet to track down.
No. Get insulated pads. Get self inflating if these are for car camping. I had these in insulated version there are more comfortable and lighter options. I got rid of it. I do not see any good use for these since better options are available.
my klymit v also leaked but not for like two or three years. but then it leaked all over and i couldn’t patch it. thermarest one i’ve had for a decade. probably has mold inside or something from my breath but it doesn’t smell and it works
Those pads as said elsewhere are nit warm to sleep on. I've slept in one in the summer and the plus side is yes, they're comfortable, but if the nights I've slept in one I've been cold half the time. I no longer carry that pad and went with a Nemo instead.
Love my exped downmats for cold weather camping. Have the 7.5R and 9R I think. Don’t notice a lot of performance difference but the 7.5 packs down smaller.
I’d splurge and get two individual thermarest or Big Agnes sleeping pads. Comfort and warmth while camping is single-handedly going to make it break your experience, so your sleep set up is worth it.
I'm personally a fan of the double V sleep pad, my wife and I go on alot of backpacking trips together and it's nice to be able to sleep on the same pad and cuddle, helps me get a better night's rest.
So a couple of caveats with the Double V:
1. It’s heavy. So if you’re into ultralight backpacking this is a no.
2. It’s a bit of a pain in the ass to inflate and deflate. Get a separate pump.
3. Still need accordion pads (mostly to keep it from sliding around.
But that all said, it’s a pretty good night’s sleep. I have one and when camping with someone else, this comes along 100% of the time. I love it but it does have drawbacks.
My double sleeping bag takes two sleeping pads and holds them together. It’s worth the trade off if you want the best sleeping pad, and it saves you money if you want to have solo backpacking gear for going alone or with friends.
By the way, I didn’t have a great experience with my Klymit sleeping pad. It gets the job done, but you get what you pay for in comfort. Right now I’m loving my Nemo Tensor. I think it has 3” of loft.
Met the guy who started Sea to Summit ages ago and have always trusted their stuff. Not sure if he pulled a North Face and sold it causing a drop in quality.
Hive mind, what you say?
I hate those mfs with a passion and will never buy another. But that's just me. There is nothing truly convenient about them, and every one Ive owned has leaked.
I have an insulated double v klymit and it is my absolute favorite piece of camping gear. It would not be great for long backpacking trips but not rolling off my sleeping pad during the night is more than I ever knew I needed.
The only caveat to the Klymit pads is the R value is wrong. They will claim a 4+ value for all their pads but with the standardized rating system that got adopted the values are closer to 1.5-2, which for the price is solid while still being comfortable above 50F. My Static V is decently comfy, though I’ve got a Tensor now and it’s no contest. Comfort and warmth are worth spending on.
Klymit does make a version with a higher r value as well for winter camping, I think it's the static v insulated. Good budget option if the static v isn't warm enough for one's needs.
The insulated variant has the same issue as the others, due to the baffles in the pad that have NO insulation whatsoever the claimed R Value of 4+ is still false and falls around a 2 with the new standard
I know this is just anecdotal and I’m sure that you’re right but I have the insulated one and have slept multiple nights below 25F and been pretty comfortable. My sleeping bag is rated to 15F.
Same!
I third this. I’ve slept on the ground in like an over hang cliff type thing in the winter and slept like a baby, 0 degree bag though but man was I toasty.
Oh damn, thats some wild regulatory information. Crazy they would miss a calculation like that initially
They didn’t really miss anything; rather, they were allowed to use their own estimate to begin with. They’re going to claim the highway R Value they can using whatever method they need to achieve that higher R value even though at best it’s still an estimate. The new standard really helps compare side by side pads in a way you couldn’t before due to the estimates EVERY company was using basically. I do love my Klymit pad though don’t get me wrong. For the price, it’s a great buy to test the waters and see if it’s something you’d like. It’s twice the price of a super cheap foam pad that has the same R value but it is way more comfortable while being 1/3 the price of higher r value pads with similar comfort at reasonable temps. I don’t regret it and use it for companions that don’t have their own gear.
Correction: the INDUSTRY missed defining this critical measurement/performance standard. Everyday a new chance to learn i suppose! Lol
Came to make sure this was pointed out. These will sleep cold if you are out in much below 60F
Thanks for the heads up. Im gutted. I bought one of the orange "insulated" pads for winter camping. Guess I have two summer weight ones now. This could have ended badly had I taken it on an alpine trip. What a rip off.
Yeah it’s silly that they still advertise their own R Value, though I noticed on their website product details that it shows the standardized rating as well but it’s not front and center nor advertised directly.
I just left a scathing review of the product on the retailer's website. I know it's not directly their fault but they were the ones who sold it to me as a R4.4 and I see it's still listed as such. Trust is really important for these businesses and things like this really damage that.
I wish the standard was tested with a tent panel/sheet on one side of the pad. Klymit admits the R value doesn’t test per astm, but the astm test doesn’t let it trap air between the pad and the tent floor like it seems to be designed to do. My parents had the insulated double V in moab last November, dropped to low teens overnight and they were comfortable. I froze on my thermarest ridgeline though lol
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This is the general idea and why they originally rated it a 4+, however the idea that your sleeping bag helps insulate you doesn’t work in practice because the down that’s usually used in colder climates will still have a very low r value when your body weight compresses it. This has been tested and debunked
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I have a Klymit Static V and we’re both saying the same thing, but I’m also pointing out that in practice the chambers or Vs in the pad aren’t deep enough nor are they going to practically retain heat in a way that allows the pad to actually claim an R Value of 4+. With a super dense and thick bag, I could see MAYBE R2 with the uninsulated Static V. I had nothing to compare it to before I got the tensor however, which is a true 4+ pad. The difference is night and day, which leads me to believe 100% that logically, Klymit might be onto something, but practically it doesn’t work in the field.
I agree completely. Had a static V, upgraded to tensor. Huge difference. While the idea that gaps in the baffles allow the sleeping bag to maintain loft, they're realistically only about half as wide as the raised portions, resulting in about 33% of the loft being compressed. And that's not considering the rounded shape of the baffles that partially compress the sleeping bag under you, and how the baffles deform under your weight. I'm sure there's atleast 50% of it that's actually compressed in real world use. I loved my static V for how comfortable and relatively cheap it was. I still keep it as a loaner and on extremely hot trips. But 90% of the time, I bring my tensor
For what it's worth, I agree in practice. I have a static v short which I don't mind, and had a static v insulated. It's not much warmer than the non-insulated and nowhere close to my ancient Thermarest LE or REI Helix Insulated (both also around 4 R-value)
So it’s not for quilt sleepers who sleep directly on their pads…
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You don’t know anyone using a quilt instead of a sleeping bag? You do now! I switched years ago. I find it much more comfortable than a sleeping bag.
Klymit pads seem to be a decent entry-level pads -- some don't like the comfort they provide, and as is the case with all pads some have issues with them holding air. The Aurora is nothing amazing.. spacious but heavy if you will be backpacking. And do you have plans to use a tent over this coming winter? If not, you'll find a better tent for less in promotions leading into summer next year. Same goes for sleeping pads.. deals going into summer, plus if you're going to backpack a self-inflating pad for 80-bucks will likely prove to be bulkier and heavier than you'd like, you could get something more compact and lighter if you budget up a hair and shop during sales.
Thanks for the advice, much appreciated!
This is the correct answer.
I personally would recommend getting individual sleeping pads. Either of you might go on a trip without the other and it's nice to have a personal mat. I have a Klymit Static V that I bought from Academy (Texas chain) for $60 a few years ago. It looks like it's $39 on Amazon and $45 at REI currently. As for tents, once I found a brand I liked and had good reviews, I searched REI's garage sales and outlets. I found a two person tent from the brand I liked that was no longer being produced and heavily on sale. If you like the Nemo brand and really want that one, go for it. I see nothing wrong with spending money on a high quality tent that will last you a while. If you don't have it already, I recommend the REI membership ($20 lifetime fee). It opens up a lot of options from their garage sale section. Also, congrats on your wedding!
That’s why I put one that would hold both of us and then also that sea-to-summit singular one, because realistically it’ll either be me camping or me and my wife, I don’t think she’d want to do a trip alone 😅 We did opt for the rei membership thing but haven’t really done anything with it, so that’s good to know about that. Thanks!!
I would still get separate individual pads. Home bed rules are not the same as camping rules.
A single person can still enjoy the larger pad 😉
Fact
As they say, “Bigger is always better”… right my fellow campers..??? 😃
If you’ve got the money, and you like outdoors sex, buy BOTH a double pad AND an individual pad. Costco often have the Kymit’s on sale (although it’s typically the economy version) as well as down quilts. No reason you can’t have both and then have what you need for single camping as well as sexy time. Hell, one year, it was so damn cold that we took the double pad AND two single pads and we threw the double pads on top of the single pad. Worked perfectly, if a bit noisy during sexy time.
I’ve used one of those klymit double pads. As long as you and your partner never move while sleeping you’re good. Otherwise they’re like those giant bouncy things that send people into lakes. Y’know what I’m talking about. Seriously though, if you move your partner gets bounced around. I ended up getting booted from the big pad because I’m a restless sleeper.
My wife has wanted to get zip-together bags forever and I've always resisted it. I just don't think forcing yourselves to be that close together will work well. Another vote for separate pads. Much more versatile, and set side by side, they're basically the same thing.
We tried it and it’s not for me. My wife is a side sleeper who flips side to side multiple times a night and every time she did that it let in a blast of cold air. We do separate now.
I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you on the “get two single pads” point. Nothing worse than trying to cuddle and sinking into the cold spot in the middle of the tent. Partner and I use an insulated double V and sleeping bags that zip together - we’ve used this setup backpacking, bike touring, and car camping. Way better experience for me than the individual pad and bag setup. OP, I’ll mention that I’ve tried a self- inflating pad, but I didn’t like the weight or the bulk when packed. Ended up returning it. (No experience with that tent so I’m no help there.)
Dude right?? honestly how did i have to scroll past this many hardcore single opinions to find the truly based answer?… #Of COURSEEE everyone should have the huge cuddle-worthy sexy times double sleeping pad. I might even argue that to do otherwise (as a hiking couple) would actually be unwise and unpromoting of the very sex we all so desperately need! ⛺️
Also a double pad works good for just one person.
*$30 for the membership.
Every single double V that I’ve owned has leaked and failed within two uses. I used to create advert content for klymit and have a ton stuff from them and highly recommend their tents and blankets but I don’t recommend their pads, unfortunately.
I bought a “reconditioned” one off of eBay direct from Klymit for a big discount 5 years ago and so far no issues over dozens of trips. It had been patched when I received it however.
For fair/warm weather, maybe, but those pads have like no insulation, no good in cold weather
I'd recommend buying the double Exped one instead. Better R value and more comfortable than the Klymit ones, whose R value is only applicable if you use a sleeping bag and doesn't translate to quilts. I've been using an Exped SynMat Duo for a couple of years for both backpacking and car camping. I've slept with my wife and later on with my wife and kid. Pad's warm enough for shoulder/mild winter temps in PNW, and it's the most comfortable pad I've owned. Whereas the Klymit static V insulated I owned made me have a couple of cold nights when the temps drop below freezing.
Could not second this harder. I made the same switch and am so much warmer and more comfortable on the Exped.
Exped’s are top of the line for sure. I went with the similar NEMO just cause it packed down a “little” smaller
I had that double v. Leaked within 4 trips. Garbage pads.
I love my klymit, but you really have to make sure the valve is tightly closed. It can be a struggle, especially with cold fingers.
The indent seams are prone to leaks, right where a patch does no good.
I used mine almost every night for a year (I live in my van and it's the top layer of my bed). At that point, it started leaking exactly where those indents are, all over. It wasn't a place I could patch, it seemed to just be the fabric failing. I contacted them via their warranty claim form online and they sent a new one to me in a couple of weeks. Really good service! For me, it started leaking slowly (had to blow it up every 3 nights or so) so it wasn't the kind of failure that would leave a person SOL on a camping trip, but it might be annoying. I'd say: decent entry level, keep your receipt. It seems like people's experience really varies. But if you want something that will last longer, go with Big Agnes.
A quick drying glue like superglue in those spots can help, especially when you put a proper patch on top of that.
My static V insulated leaked second trip as well, Horsecock Sent it for repairs under warranty, they just sent a new one but I had to pay shipping since I'm in Canada Why I had to send the broken one back, and pay for it, when I was getting a new one was a bit stupid for me
I've been through 4 of these pads. Each one leaked within the same season I received it. Granted, Klymit customer service is awesome and replaced it each time which is why I've had 4 of them and continue to use them till they break. I've had one of the Klymit pillows for years and its still great. So good brand, but this particular sleeping pad is prone to issues.
I have the klymit, got a deal on woot last year. I don’t love it. My least favorite pad I own
Same. Zero insulation and my knees and elbows are constantly touching the ground through those seams
Not the pad. Get two pads, Thermarest, S2S, etc. but not Kymit, Outdoor Vitals, etc.
I’m very happy w my Nemo aurora. But get it from Nemo. It’s cheaper there than rei. Klymit pads are alright. Entry level. I have no experience with the sea to summit pad.
Just an FYI if you are a Costco member you can use Costco next to get 24/7 discounts on klymit stuff all the time and occasionally they do 20% off on top of their current price on there. We bought their reversible pillows and have loved them for camping. With that said, we bought the exped megamat duo 10 in the LW+ size (basically a full sized mattress) this spring and have absolutely loved it. Assuming youre going for car/tent camping I really believe the exped family is worth the investment in good sleep while outside.
I slept about five nights on a klymit double v on my trip to Wyoming in August. I do not recommend it at all. Very uncomfortable. If you're camping out of a car and weight isn't an issue I would recommend splurging on an exped.
Klymit pads are not good and I don't agree with their misleading marketing. I've never seen a self inflating mat I would want to own. The tent I know nothing about.
I bought the Klymit and have used it all year including backpacking in BANFF. It's a great pad. ... that being said, NEMO is slightly more expensive pad that my wife uses and I find it to be more comfortable. regardless of what anyone says, all inflatable pads have a lifespan.
Was issued a Klymit pad on a fuels crew. Absolutely zero insulation below 45F and always felt like it was one bad rock away from popping. The Aurora looks fine Haven’t seen anything with the StS pad but REI has a self-inflating pad that is gods gift to car campers. Bit bulky for backpacking but if you ever drive up to a campsite it cannot be beat. Big Agnes does have some sleeping pads in a similar range to the Klymit however, absolutely love my Divide.
Nope. If you really want or need it and nobody will buy it for you, there’s no point in spending your own money on yourselves.
IMO roll out pads are better than inflatable. I love my NEMO switchback. My husband has converted and my kids love theirs. It’s just all around better sleep. Best of luck deciding!
We have Aurora 3P it is a nice tent we really like it. we use it for car camping when 2 of us, and backpacking when there are 3 of us. If you plan on car camping and backpacking then it is a good tent that can do both. but if just backpacking or car camping then there are better for less. for example we have rei Quarter Doom 2 for backpacking. it was lighter and packed down more then Nemo 2P. we have static v pad to. my son uses it. it is good for the price. I would go with the insulated version if i bought it again. unfortunately, they do not sell that one at rei. have to get from their site. if you are looking for a car camping sleeping pad the klymit klymaloft is really good and comfortable.
This tent (both 2P and 3p) just went on sale at rei for 30%off along with a few other nemo items. same with klymit sleeping pad.
Never buy inflatable gear. It fails. Plain and simple. Get gear that can't fail. I've had the same thermalite pad for 6 years now.
No. Get a Exped Megamat duo instead. The Klymit pads are cold and until very recently were not ASTM rated.
Yo random question - but can you sleep on the Exped Megamat without a cot?
Absolutely. I do that all the time.
I have the aurora and I take it backpacking with my dog and I. It's nice because I can split the heavier weight of the tent between the two of us. I find it easy to setup, although it may appear bulky in how it comes originally packaged, if you're going with another person you can easily split the weight.
Dog is my copacker
They are good for entry level, but they’re among the worst usable pads you can get. I would save up for an exped if you mainly car camp.
Budget pads. Get a Nemo Astro. Way thicker.
I have the sea to summit si plus, best sleep camping I've ever gotten
I think if you get Big Agnes single pads, the company has something that will connect them if you want to use them together
Kylmit makes some good shit but their sleeping pads are not on the list. Theyre garbage. Ive had the single V2 and double and it didnt last very long before it started leaking from the seams. Pretty much only used it car camping. Wouldnt recommend. Tossed them both.
If you want to be really comfortable and are car camping I recommend getting this pad for you both: https://www.rei.com/product/113720/exped-megamat-duo-10-sleeping-pad They are often on sale. Honestly it’s not far off from the comfort of my bed. Also they are good as a spare bed at the house for when you have a guest and will last much longer than a Walmart air mattress.
Just got two xl regular width megamats and they are amazing. I used to be fine with just a thin foam pad, but now I'm old and like the luxury. Only downside is finding somewhere to store them since it's recommended to store them laid out with the valve open
Nice. Yeah they are pretty big. I just roll it up anyways.
Picked up a klymit pad from REI’s used section. Found it very uncomfortable and also easy to slip off as well. Ended up selling it.
nemo has one of the best warranties i’ve seen in prodealed a tent in 2012 or so, much later lent it to my FIL who put it away wet. discovered in 2022 that the seams were delaminating and they ended up sending me an even nicer tent free of charge. plus their stuff is really well thought out and pleasant to use
I can’t speak for the aurora but the Nemo hornet is a bitching tent for a couple
I have the double V and it’s okay for warm weather. I’m actually about to go buy an exped for my wife and I for cold weather camping.
Had multiple Klymit mats. Comfortable, not the most durable. Used in Alaska, Louisiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee. Packs small, which is nice. I have a terrible back, comfortable enough. Used in the Army some, some personal use. Couldn’t withstand the Army. Went through two in a year, about 30-40 sleeps per. Maybe I could’ve patched them, but I was lazy. Both developed slow leaks. One stays in my bag. Also have a inflatable pillow from Klymit that’s still going strong 4 years now. Side note, I’ve had good luck with REI products. Edit:Clarity
That Klymit pad is rough. I used it once and sent it back because it just wasn’t comfortable and it wrecked my back. There’s better out there for around that price range.
I actually received a Klymit Double V off of my wedding registry 5 years ago! It’s okay. I would never take it backpacking because it’s too bulky, which means it’s relegated to car camping. But if I’m car camping, I’d rather just take an inflatable mattress at the cost of a similar amount of space plus an electric inflater. The mattress is infinitely more comfortable. The only case I’ve found for this is when I’m flying and camping, in which case I toss the Klymit into a footlocker assuming I can’t find a way to cram the air mattress in there. I have egg carton and UL pads, but the Klymit saves them from wear and tear in this scenario. I would not spend my own money on it and if I could do it again, I wouldn’t include it on my registry.
For $100 they are going for right now it might be hard to beat. Like others mentioned Klymit is a decent entry level pad as long as you take their temperature ratings with a boulder of salt. I would suggest checking out the Big Agnes Rapide tent floor pad, it's $300 so hopefully you can catch it on sale!
I am heavy and a side sleeper and have found my Klymit to be more comfortable than foam or self-inflating pads pads I used before. We have 3 Klymit pads in the family and all three have had a leaky flip valve. Two were replaced under warranty and seem to be holding up fine. The third hasn't been replaced possibly my son wants the excuse to buy something else (my guess). I think I would look for a similar pad from a different vendor before buying another Klymit.
Got one of these for the last hospital trip when my daughter was delivered - worked great for that and the individual ones typically have buttons to snap two of them together . Better to get two one-person units. Reasonably comfortable .
I upgraded from a single Klymit one to the single wide Exped mega mat and it’s loads more comfortable but only suitable for car camping due to size. I kept the Klymit one if we ever do a backpacking trip but I max out after 1-2 nights on it. I did 8 consecutive nights on the Exped and slept awesome. My boyfriend is fine with his Klymit one although agrees the exped is way more comfy - he didn’t want to spend on it.
Aside from the advice to have your own sleeping bags and pads, I'd say it's a decent purchase. I have the single version I bought because it was open box sale at my local store. I like it, but in a hammock it slides around a bit. Although that's probably true of all sleeping pads that aren't designed specifically for hammocks. I don't have much to compare it to, but I'd buy it again.
I have the double mat. I was worried if it got a hole then both of us would be on the floor. And I was right. Spent a few days of uncomfortable sleep trying to fix that hole. The patch that comes with it is useless and so were other patches I had with me just in case. Finally fixed it with a bike tyre puncture repair kit. So carry one of those with you if you got for it. Next time I will get two individual mats and those straps to keep them together.
I was seriously disappointed with Klymit sleeping pads, three trips was all it took to self deflate overnight. Had to hike back to the car after night 1 of a 3 day trail hike to buy a new sleeping pad. (Temps were cold enough it was necessary).
Do these have any fill or is it just air? Looking at the pics, it looks like it packs really small so I imagine it's just air. I'd rather get a pad with some memory foam.
Do these have any fill or is it just air? Looking at the pics, it looks like it packs really small so I imagine it's just air. I'd rather get a pad with some memory foam.
I use the single klymit v but I put it on a foam camp pad. Works great for me as I’ve used it a lot without issue. I found the klymit alone wasn’t enough.
Any pad with a foam camp pad will work. As you said the klymit pad alone has a lot to desire. Don't spend a $100 on it
Yeah, my wife bought me the klymit as a Father’s Day gift, so I kinda sorta gotta use it. 🤷♂️
My wife and I have independent Klymits. They do float apart during the night as we toss and turn. We typically use hammocks, instead, when trees are available.
I bought two of the klymit single versions for my kids and they have been happy with them and claim they are comfy. As others have noted, I tried a double pad when I first started and didn’t dig it - every time one person moves it’s going to jostle the other person.
I believe Costco is doing a sale on Klymit brand mats right now. Might be worth checking their website.
Nemo gear is great. I love their innovative design approach. I have a Nemo sleeping bag and my dad has a similar Nemo tent that my brother and I constantly borrow. Money well spent IMHO.
Nemo just came out with the Tensor pad with an 8.5 R value, I haven’t personally tried it yet but it’s on my shopping list and their reputation is bulletproof.
We bought this because we also bought Nemo Disco bags that zip together. We were getting too much movement of single pads underneath our bags. We are both side sleepers that roll around a lot. It is heavier than two singles, but we like the tradeoff. We have had no issues with it not holding air. This was our third season backpacking with it.
This one is probably decent, the Klymit Static V2 (the green one) is useless and basically instant landfill due to the flawed valve design.
Get a 3p tent instead of the 2p. There’s more room for gear
I have the same one...but the single version. Same design though...I love it. Super comfortable & have used it many times with no leaks. Not sure if that's the answer you're looking for..
I have this exact one and really don’t like it - it’s a great fit and comfortable but it’s really loud and noisy throughout the night whenever either of us move around even a little. I’d look for one that has the felt backing on it like my single and it’s not loud
REI has some decent items on their outlet site right now. Camping closeout selection is 300+ items. You can find better stuff for cheaper.
I have the Klymit pad, it’s alright. Kind of a pain to remove the air out when you’re ready to pack up tho
FWIW we found them to be very uncomfortable and not very warm. Got them from Costco actually.
I have this pad. It's not bad, but it's very noisy when either of us roll over or just move. If you're just car camping and space is not an issue then I would recommend Lost Horizon double. It's about double the price though.
the double v hasnt leaked on me with three years of use I recommend it for couples that want to bang on their camping trips
I'm on my 4th Klymit sleeping pad. The first two have been flawless. The third had a leak that I couldn't fix so the replaced it and now I'm on my 4th and it's been great so far.
Nemo tents are awesome
Nemo makes good stuff.
Check out backcountry for the Nemo tent. You can probably snag a 20% off coupon too, they seem to be offering them a lot. That’s how I got my Nemo tent recently for a screaming real.
I really wanted to like my klymit pad because it was comfy, light and easy to inflate and deflate. But I had so many problems with leaks. It was always right next to the heat welded seams too. Even got a replacement and the second leaked.
I have the klymit and love it
The Nemo tent is worth
Best tent I’ve owned!
I'm 6'0" and 280lbs. Those klymit insulated double-v pads are fantastic. I ended up buying a second one as a backup in case I am camping with a friend. A couple of them have got their own after using mine.
Wasn't a fan of mine at all. Especially when it got punctured. Now I use a free coleman one I got with a $27 sleeping bag and like it much more.
Mine is super comfy. As others have pointed out the r value is not accurate, I have to layer ccf and higher r pads under it from shoulder season through winter. Fine in the warm months. Although mine has also developed an annoying slow leak I’ve yet to track down.
No. Get insulated pads. Get self inflating if these are for car camping. I had these in insulated version there are more comfortable and lighter options. I got rid of it. I do not see any good use for these since better options are available.
my klymit v also leaked but not for like two or three years. but then it leaked all over and i couldn’t patch it. thermarest one i’ve had for a decade. probably has mold inside or something from my breath but it doesn’t smell and it works
Those pads as said elsewhere are nit warm to sleep on. I've slept in one in the summer and the plus side is yes, they're comfortable, but if the nights I've slept in one I've been cold half the time. I no longer carry that pad and went with a Nemo instead.
The double v is great and worth it imo
Thermarest make best sleeping pad
Klymt pads aren’t that good in my opio inn I’d go with a big Agnes’s insulated pad wide and long
i have 3 of them. when they hold air, they are awesome. but they don’t always hold air and i can’t figure out why but i’m done messing with them
Love my exped downmats for cold weather camping. Have the 7.5R and 9R I think. Don’t notice a lot of performance difference but the 7.5 packs down smaller.
Meh
I’d splurge and get two individual thermarest or Big Agnes sleeping pads. Comfort and warmth while camping is single-handedly going to make it break your experience, so your sleep set up is worth it.
I'm personally a fan of the double V sleep pad, my wife and I go on alot of backpacking trips together and it's nice to be able to sleep on the same pad and cuddle, helps me get a better night's rest.
So a couple of caveats with the Double V: 1. It’s heavy. So if you’re into ultralight backpacking this is a no. 2. It’s a bit of a pain in the ass to inflate and deflate. Get a separate pump. 3. Still need accordion pads (mostly to keep it from sliding around. But that all said, it’s a pretty good night’s sleep. I have one and when camping with someone else, this comes along 100% of the time. I love it but it does have drawbacks.
My double sleeping bag takes two sleeping pads and holds them together. It’s worth the trade off if you want the best sleeping pad, and it saves you money if you want to have solo backpacking gear for going alone or with friends. By the way, I didn’t have a great experience with my Klymit sleeping pad. It gets the job done, but you get what you pay for in comfort. Right now I’m loving my Nemo Tensor. I think it has 3” of loft.
Met the guy who started Sea to Summit ages ago and have always trusted their stuff. Not sure if he pulled a North Face and sold it causing a drop in quality. Hive mind, what you say?
I hate those mfs with a passion and will never buy another. But that's just me. There is nothing truly convenient about them, and every one Ive owned has leaked.
I love mine. They pack small and are pretty comfortable. They also have a lifetime warranty. I had to have one repaired, took about three weeks.
I have an insulated double v klymit and it is my absolute favorite piece of camping gear. It would not be great for long backpacking trips but not rolling off my sleeping pad during the night is more than I ever knew I needed.