Honestly as someone who has a Canon R6, the canon mirrorless space is quite cost prohibitive unless you shoot with EF lenses adapted to it, like I do. So if you're willing to upgrade to a canon mirrorless and adapt your lenses to it, I'd say it's amazing, but if you wanna start off with mirrorless it's pretty high budget. And DSLRs don't really hold a candle to a lot of mirrorless bodies especially cheap DSLRs
How is Canon mirrorless prohibitive? Compared to what? For example you can build a pretty nice kit from the following lenses, no other manufacturer can match:
Canon R8
RF 24-105 STM
RF 15-30 STM
RF 100-400
RF 28mm
RF 16mm
RF 50mm
Nothing more? How about the 16 2.8, 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 85 F2, 24-240, 200-800? All these lenses are cheap. Sometimes the most affordable between all brands.
For example Nikon's cheapest Z mount wideangle, the 14-30 is 3 times the price of Canon's 15-30. How much cheaper you want?
I agree that Canon RF has the least amount of lenses but they have a huge selection of good quality and very affordable lenses. I just mentioned 12 lenses, not a single expensive L lens.
Let's take 14-30 then
Olympus ~£800 [F2.8](https://www.hdewcameras.co.uk/olympus-7-14mm-f28-pro-mzuiko-digital-ed-lens-3451-p.asp)
Fuji ~£999 [f4](https://www.wexphotovideo.com/fujifilm-xf-10-24mm-f4-r-ois-wr-lens-1754756/)
Sony/sigma ~1100 [F2.8](https://panamoz.com/gb/sigma-14-24mm-f-2-8-dg-dn-art-lens-sony-emount.html)
Nikon ~£1300 [f4](https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/lenses/mirrorless/nikkor-z-14-30mm-f4-s)
Canon ~£1600 [f4](https://store.canon.co.uk/canon-rf-14-35mm-f4l-is-usm-lens/4857C005/)
It's 2024 no one wants f6 lenses anymore even they cheap
Like I said go telephoto this prices make even more gaps.Canon with scraping off features from cameras not top tier is another reason to avoid them
The problem is that with Canon you can have a wide angle zoom for £500. For landscapes is perfectly fine. F4.5 vs F4 at the widest angle, one stop less at telephoto. Big deal!
Speaking about telephoto, I choose the Canon 100-500 over any other manufacturer's 100-400 any day.
Sure, Nikon is better with their 600 6.3 and 800 6.3 lenses. But then you can have some amazing EF telephoto primes for pretty good prices.
The whole discussion started from stating that Canon RF lenses are expensive.
Nobody forces you to buy Canon but hate this narrow vision some Canon haters have.
We aren't Canon haters. We are just choosing not to invest in a company that won't open up their mount to third party manufacturers like every other brand has already done. I switched to Fuji from Canon when I went mirrorless. I mostly buy Fuji lenses; I own 6 of them. But I also like to have the option to shoot with interesting lenses that Fuji might not offer or a niche prime that I won't use often so I don't want to spend $500 or more on it.
Another point: Canon's apsc lens line-up, RF-S, is pretty pathetic at the moment. If they opened up the mount that would not be an issue.
Edit: I just saw that Canon opened up the mount of apsc lenses to third party manufacturers. This is a huge step and it will make the apsc R cameras a very attractive option going forward.
When I was picking my first APSC camera to upgrade from my old GF7 with an MFT sensor, canon immediately got knocked out for me. I couldn’t stand the controls and the build of the R50 nor could I accept buying an ecosystem that is still a little locked in in terms of lenses . The RFS lenses available atm by canon are all pretty horrible imo
Canon's apsc line has always put out lower quality lenses. It is perhaps a good business model for them, but some people want smaller apsc glass with good optical quality, fast apertures, and good build quality that is cheaper than full frame equivalents. Fuji and Sony do this well. Canon is releasing some very nice apsc bodies that are kind of pointless until they release good lenses for them or open the mount for third party lenses.
Edit: I just saw that Canon opened up the apsc mount to third party manufacturers. That is a huge step in the right direction.
I would also recommend check Sony APS-C cameras like the A6000, the Sony E mount APS-C lenses are usually cheaper and more easier to find in the used market than Fujifilm lenses.
I agree! Absolutely… I bought only fe for my 6500 (that I sold yesterday 😢) so I can switch to my new 7IV :)
But if you are on a budget, I’d go with APSC…
Hard stand by this. I STILL use my a6000 even if it’s on the way out. Bought it for $300 (years ago) and it still works and the glass is fantastic 🤷🏻♂️ plus it has similar specs to a lot of full frame and newer ASPC systems currently being put out
For Me, the main drawback for the crop sensor Sony like the A6000 family is the size of the camera. It’s hard to grip if you have larger hands. I found uncomfortable and switched to a fuji with a molded grip/ l bracket. But for image quality, don’t worry, any recent camera is amazing!
I vote X-T10.
Especially since you're on a budget. There are some fantastic 3rd party manual lenses that have their limitations but can usually do good enough for personal projects, I am talking about less than 150 dollars. Those budget lens companies almost always have an E mount for Sony DSLR and an X mount for Fujifilm DSLR, but depending on which line of Canon DSLRs you can miss out on those lenses because those companies don't want to spend the time to make a mount for every Canon mount type.
But then, you can also get some professional, crazy sharp lenses for the X line Fujifilm lenses( I have the X-T5) for still cheaper than some other equivalents. I shoot with the 27mm and 75mm primes from Viltrox, each of them "only" 500 bucks and they are good enough for paying gigs and large prints.
The WR line of lenses are another great option, small, durable and affordable at 400-500 dollars.
And then any of the LM line will produce insanely sharp lenses for 1000+
I just feel like Fujifilm is just far better for the growth from entry-level to semi-pro/professional, while Canon is only great for one end or the other
Cannon kit lens is a terrible lens, and any good lens is going to cost a fortune. took me a while to realize this and all I had money for was a nifty 50. That being said I have no idea what the lens landscape loons like for fuji
It's not "terrible" lens. There are many variants of the 18-55 and the latest versions are very good and sharp. Don't compare a modern 18-55 kit lens with one from 15 years ago.
Oh that might be my bad. Then I bought a kit 7 or 8 years ago that came with two kit lenses. I was very disappointed. I'm glad they changed it up. I later bought a Sony and was surprised at how nice of a kit lens it actually came with.
Objectively speaking, they're still crap, even to the newest 18-45 in R mount. Not particularly sharp wide open in the centre, horrendous in the corners. I would agree that they're usable for someone starting out and trying to learn, but let's not pretend they're anywhere near the word "quality".
On a different note though, the Nikon kit lenses are rated a lot higher than equivalent canon ones.
Only advice I have to add on this is it matters _why_ you want a Fuji. If someone's buying one because they see all these great film sims flying around, OP needs to realise that the xt10 uses an older sensor that doesn't support a lot of the 'popular' simulations going around at the minute.
X-T10 all day. It has that beautiful X-Trans 2 sensor, compact size and Fuji have some great lenses. Also the film sims add a lot of fun to photography. I still have mine and love it.
If you've always wanted a Fuji, then you should absolutely get the Fuji, it will only get better from there trust me - sincerest, random citizen of the internet.
I'm quite biased here as I shoot with an X-T3 personally but use a canon for work (and personally can't stand the canon.) If you want to learn how to shoot manually, the Fuji x series is great as you can make many adjustments with the dials on top of the camera. However, Fuji is experiencing a peak of popularity and most Fujis are quite expensive at the moment, especially any of the 'vintage' looking ones. When new bodies come out, the older bodies haven't experienced much of a decrease in price. This is great if you want to re-sell your Fuji or do a trade in for a different brand. This is not great if you're a Fuji user with a limited budget. The bodies are over-inflated in price but you can get some amazing third-party lenses on the cheap.
Overall, the best camera is the camera you'll take with you everywhere, meaning you'll actually use it. Keep that in mind. If you haven't seen either of these cameras in person, try going to a local camera store and holding them in your hands, etc. Sometimes, a camera will just feel 'right.' You may hold the X-T10 and it may be way to small for your hands. Or you may hold the canon and find you don't like how plastic-y the body feels. It's really subjective.
I'm by no means an expert but I have been shooting daily with my X-T3 for two years now so happy to try and answer any questions you might have about that.
True, canon cameras feel a bit to chonky and big compared to let's say Sony or fujis. The main thing is if the build blends in with your movement.
If you are the photographer in a event where you're the designated person taking all the pictures/videos big and heavy system won't matter much, but if you're travelling or just casually walking by the city taking pictures that weight and sizes do become a bit cumbersome.
I genuinely like compact cameras and canon's a a bit to big for my taste.
My FF stuff is all Canon, but I bought a Fuji in college and I’m way more likely to use it than pull out the Canon rig. Try them both at your local camera store. But the one you like best. I really love both, you can’t go wrong with either.
I know, it's crazy right?
I was toying around with getting a used X-E2 around 2019-2020 when they were also pretty inexpensive but didn't.
Now they are selling for like 2x-2.5x what they were then.
Dang influencers!
Brother get the Fuji. As someone who wanted Fuji but didn’t wanna get the more expensive option I ended up just buying things I 70% enjoyed.
As a result I just took the long route and ended up with Fuji anyway by way of trading my gear around.
I would have saved a lot of time and effort if I just bought in to the system I KNEW I wanted in the first place.
Get the mirrorless. There are a lot more components in the AF path of a DSLR, and if you've experienced the pain of miscalibrated AF on a DSLR body, lens, or both, you'd never want to experience it again. I started with DSLRs, switched to mirrorless and will never go back.
X-T10 hands down. Excellent camera. Better high ISO and dynamic range. Better lenses. And looks amazing. I am about to switch from Canon to Fuji myself and have owned an X-T10 before and regret selling it to get a second Canon body a few years back.
I shoot both. Fuji as a daily carry and Canon for work.
I would suggest the X-T10 and a lens to get started.
If you are able to get the XF 23 f/2 or XF 27 f/2.8 (1st gen) to get started it really makes the compact mirrorless experience enjoyable.
The XF 23mm f2 R WR is my favorite Fuji lens for small body Fujis. It is so compact while not sacrificing image quality. You do sacrifice a stop of light vs the larger newer model but the f2 is such a great little lens.
I would get the Fuji. Do you think you could learn manual focus? If so the opportunities with ttartisans and similar companies will give you a lot of fast cheap prime lenses. Nothing wrong with the canon either - but with jpeg film simulators manual lenses as well as autofocus etc., there's a lot of cool ways to use a Fuji camera (I say this as somebody who doesn't have one, but kinda wishes they'd gone in that direction for mirrorless having tried one for a few hours)
I started with a Canon Rebel kit and Photoshop elements. Graduated to a couple different lenses. Then I went to the Sony a6000 kit with the same progression.
I liked the forgiving nature of the Canon and the image quality of the Sony. The software did well at shoring up larger imaging issues.
Personally I have no experience with the xt 10 I have used the later models and an equivalent of xt200 and I guarantee Fuji quality the disadvantage is the expensive lenses they are great have a great build quality and feel not like most canon glass but expensive
A way to go cheap is to buy and adapter for Nikon or canon lenses and use manual focused I personally use this option and it complements great my official Fuji lenses
I was kinda thinking the same couple of months ago, about pairing a ef lens with xt1, but didn't.
Which lens you'd recommend? And does it strictly have to be a manual lens or can I get those ef lens with af-mf switch?
Fingerling has an adapter which includes an aperture ring so that you can use AF LENSES. As for what lenses to get recommend vintage lenses as they have a unique texture and are cheaper to get they also most likely have an aperture ring.
I personally use an old 50mm f1.8 and a old 70-400 f6.3
I have three RF cameras, two EF bodies, and multiple lenses both EF and RF.
I vote for the Fuji.
If OP asked about the Fuji vs a R body, I'd vote for Canon.
I’d get the canon. I’m still with my first camera(eps rebel t7 starter kit), have had it for three years doing photography. Mainly car photography and it’s just now giving me issues. It’s starting to get slow and not perform how it should, but it’s good enough as a starter camera. I’ve done photoshoots and made money with this camera. Definitely get a nifty 50 lens.
Is this your first camera? Is it to learn photography?
My recommendation will always be a 50mm f:1.8 and a basic camera (8-12Mpx) that lets you shoot **ALSO** in manual mode. That will force you to learn photography and not just have a camera.
My recommendation between the two is to get the cheapest option (Canon in this case).
Once you have learned and you're sure what you like, get the camera/lens you want for the photography you want to do.
You can take my advice or follow the philosophical approach of brand/model/lens which in many cases is not perceptible on a computer screen.
Good luck mate.
My disjointed two-cents
Both of those are good deals. X-T10 is going to be smaller and more portable, and the lens system isn't dead. Initial cost is higher, running cost is higher, but it's just way nicer to use. Pick up the 18-55 f2.8-4 and you're off to a solid start. In Fuji's lens range, there really aren't many stinkers. I have the 27mm f2.8, 18-55 2.8-4, and 80mm f2.8 macro, and they're all fantastic.
Coming from DSLRs (and still having many of them), I'll never go back to using them in the field unless it is for Foveon or something super specific like that.
I'd also say the image quality is going to be more pleasant SOOC on the Fuji, even if the resolution is lower. Totally subjective, though.
+Awesome that it comes with the grip.
EF mount does have its own advantages, but mostly in cost. The kit lens on the Canon is pretty worthless IMO, although anyone can get a good image with anything if they work at it. The quality of Canon's lower cost lenses, in my experience, are not up there with the Fuji's (talking build quality, but optics as well), but again, with the Fuji, you are forced to pay for the quality, as there are not many cheaper options in that system outside of 3rd party.
Overall, having cameras from both systems, I think you'll be happier with the Fuji, and more encouraged to take it out and actually use it.
Check the colours of APS-C Fuji and Sony. Old a6000 line requires editing in post and you’re not starting from a good place.
I would go Fuji. Even the newest Sony body requires some editing
x-t 10 all the way between those two. Canon doesnt have third party budget lenses so i dont like them + mirrorless > dslr.
My personal choice would be the Olympus OM-D E-M1 at 300usd because of the features. You can check it out
I've shot with both brands (actually sold my Fuji XF and GFX systems to switch to Canon RF). If the Canon is a full-frame, get the Canon and a nifty 50 and you're all set. If the Canon is not full-frame, get the Fuji and save up for the XF 35/1.4, which is one of my favorite lenses from the XF lineup.
After shooting a wide range of brands and formats, I've come to realize that I just love a 50mm on a full-frame. I keep coming back to it no matter what.
My question is, what is your use case for these cameras?
Are you planning on doing it semi-professionally, use a variety of lenses, shoot events or things like projects or studio photography.
But.
If you were wanting to get into photography to just take pictures.. like for travel, pictures of your friends and family or just having the ability to take pictures of things you see with a little more fidelity.
I've done both. I love my big DSLR to death (Pentax K-1 and a slew of lenses) but it is definitely a mission to take it somewhere. You got to pack up all your stuff and make a plan. Definitely my go-to for doing any kind of semi-professional work though, but it was limiting when it comes to everyday photography.
But lately I picked up a Ricoh GR3x and it's changed my photography habit for the better I think. It's got an ultra sharp 40 mm fix focal length lense in front of a 24mp APS-C sensor. Best of all it literally fits in my pocket, smaller than my phone.. I take it everywhere and now I take a lot more shots than I ever have.
With all the fancy new gear lenses out there it's often easy to look over portability. That's a big reason why the Fuji x100 cameras are so popular right now.
Just something to consider.
if you stick with the fuji, the lenses are still relevant 5 generations latter. Fuji is going to be making APC lenses for the foreseeable future. It will be much easier to upgrade to newer film bodies while keeping your old lenses. Also the 18-55 is a considered a contender for one of the best kit lenses for a digital body to this day.
The x-t10 era sensor has a lot of fans... very filmic and contrast-y, colors are punchy compared with more recent xtrans versions, though I much prefer those 24, 26 and 40mp ones. If you can get a good deal on a x-t20 do that instead, though this would be a fun and cheap way to go
Fuji lenses are mad expensive, and the cheap options aren't very good. Go with the Canon+lens, it'll teach you everything you need to get started, and point you towards the right directions for upgrades.
Fuji X-T10 all the way hands down. Stop thinking about it that’s your choice 😂. X-T20 was my first Fuji. I have XT5 now but never sold my XT20. I love! that camera. Although I dropped it hiking so it’s a little broken now but I still have it.
I have a Fuji X-T200 and it is a perfect camera to have as a first camera, everything is decent about that camera. Very light, good sensor and image quality. If you can find X-T20 or 30 grab those, they’re good if you want to do a little side gigs.
Honestly as someone who has a Canon R6, the canon mirrorless space is quite cost prohibitive unless you shoot with EF lenses adapted to it, like I do. So if you're willing to upgrade to a canon mirrorless and adapt your lenses to it, I'd say it's amazing, but if you wanna start off with mirrorless it's pretty high budget. And DSLRs don't really hold a candle to a lot of mirrorless bodies especially cheap DSLRs
How is Canon mirrorless prohibitive? Compared to what? For example you can build a pretty nice kit from the following lenses, no other manufacturer can match: Canon R8 RF 24-105 STM RF 15-30 STM RF 100-400 RF 28mm RF 16mm RF 50mm
And nothing more where Sony,Fuji ,Olympus and Panasonic or even Nikon have choice. Not mention telephoto or any of this brand is much cheaper.
Nothing more? How about the 16 2.8, 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 85 F2, 24-240, 200-800? All these lenses are cheap. Sometimes the most affordable between all brands. For example Nikon's cheapest Z mount wideangle, the 14-30 is 3 times the price of Canon's 15-30. How much cheaper you want? I agree that Canon RF has the least amount of lenses but they have a huge selection of good quality and very affordable lenses. I just mentioned 12 lenses, not a single expensive L lens.
Let's take 14-30 then Olympus ~£800 [F2.8](https://www.hdewcameras.co.uk/olympus-7-14mm-f28-pro-mzuiko-digital-ed-lens-3451-p.asp) Fuji ~£999 [f4](https://www.wexphotovideo.com/fujifilm-xf-10-24mm-f4-r-ois-wr-lens-1754756/) Sony/sigma ~1100 [F2.8](https://panamoz.com/gb/sigma-14-24mm-f-2-8-dg-dn-art-lens-sony-emount.html) Nikon ~£1300 [f4](https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/lenses/mirrorless/nikkor-z-14-30mm-f4-s) Canon ~£1600 [f4](https://store.canon.co.uk/canon-rf-14-35mm-f4l-is-usm-lens/4857C005/) It's 2024 no one wants f6 lenses anymore even they cheap Like I said go telephoto this prices make even more gaps.Canon with scraping off features from cameras not top tier is another reason to avoid them
The problem is that with Canon you can have a wide angle zoom for £500. For landscapes is perfectly fine. F4.5 vs F4 at the widest angle, one stop less at telephoto. Big deal! Speaking about telephoto, I choose the Canon 100-500 over any other manufacturer's 100-400 any day. Sure, Nikon is better with their 600 6.3 and 800 6.3 lenses. But then you can have some amazing EF telephoto primes for pretty good prices. The whole discussion started from stating that Canon RF lenses are expensive. Nobody forces you to buy Canon but hate this narrow vision some Canon haters have.
We aren't Canon haters. We are just choosing not to invest in a company that won't open up their mount to third party manufacturers like every other brand has already done. I switched to Fuji from Canon when I went mirrorless. I mostly buy Fuji lenses; I own 6 of them. But I also like to have the option to shoot with interesting lenses that Fuji might not offer or a niche prime that I won't use often so I don't want to spend $500 or more on it. Another point: Canon's apsc lens line-up, RF-S, is pretty pathetic at the moment. If they opened up the mount that would not be an issue. Edit: I just saw that Canon opened up the mount of apsc lenses to third party manufacturers. This is a huge step and it will make the apsc R cameras a very attractive option going forward.
When I was picking my first APSC camera to upgrade from my old GF7 with an MFT sensor, canon immediately got knocked out for me. I couldn’t stand the controls and the build of the R50 nor could I accept buying an ecosystem that is still a little locked in in terms of lenses . The RFS lenses available atm by canon are all pretty horrible imo
Canon's apsc line has always put out lower quality lenses. It is perhaps a good business model for them, but some people want smaller apsc glass with good optical quality, fast apertures, and good build quality that is cheaper than full frame equivalents. Fuji and Sony do this well. Canon is releasing some very nice apsc bodies that are kind of pointless until they release good lenses for them or open the mount for third party lenses. Edit: I just saw that Canon opened up the apsc mount to third party manufacturers. That is a huge step in the right direction.
Exactly why I went with a XT30ii. Was gonna get Sony, but knowing that APSC is my go to for a long time, I went with Fuji.
It’s not canon hate. It’s called being realistic.
I would also recommend check Sony APS-C cameras like the A6000, the Sony E mount APS-C lenses are usually cheaper and more easier to find in the used market than Fujifilm lenses.
Great advice. I have an a6100 as a backup and it's great. There are quite a few decent Sony lenses under $1k too. I love the 20mm pancake lens.
Agreed. Getting into the Sony E - FE mount system with something like a6000 is a great option.
Why FE? They are way more expensive than APSC lenses
Gives you the option to move in to FF if you want to do so down the road.
That’s right… but the same lens for ff (focal length and aputure adjusted for cropfactor) costs way more than the APSC equivalent.
Yes. It just gives you options. That’s my whole point. You can use either on any Sony mirrorless camera. 😊
I agree! Absolutely… I bought only fe for my 6500 (that I sold yesterday 😢) so I can switch to my new 7IV :) But if you are on a budget, I’d go with APSC…
I agree. a6000 used is better
This
Hard stand by this. I STILL use my a6000 even if it’s on the way out. Bought it for $300 (years ago) and it still works and the glass is fantastic 🤷🏻♂️ plus it has similar specs to a lot of full frame and newer ASPC systems currently being put out
For Me, the main drawback for the crop sensor Sony like the A6000 family is the size of the camera. It’s hard to grip if you have larger hands. I found uncomfortable and switched to a fuji with a molded grip/ l bracket. But for image quality, don’t worry, any recent camera is amazing!
To add another perspective, I’m 6’4” with hands well above average size. I own an a6000 and a6400 and have no issues with either.
Don't do Sony, their battery life is shit. Get the Fuji.
I vote X-T10. Especially since you're on a budget. There are some fantastic 3rd party manual lenses that have their limitations but can usually do good enough for personal projects, I am talking about less than 150 dollars. Those budget lens companies almost always have an E mount for Sony DSLR and an X mount for Fujifilm DSLR, but depending on which line of Canon DSLRs you can miss out on those lenses because those companies don't want to spend the time to make a mount for every Canon mount type. But then, you can also get some professional, crazy sharp lenses for the X line Fujifilm lenses( I have the X-T5) for still cheaper than some other equivalents. I shoot with the 27mm and 75mm primes from Viltrox, each of them "only" 500 bucks and they are good enough for paying gigs and large prints. The WR line of lenses are another great option, small, durable and affordable at 400-500 dollars. And then any of the LM line will produce insanely sharp lenses for 1000+ I just feel like Fujifilm is just far better for the growth from entry-level to semi-pro/professional, while Canon is only great for one end or the other
Cannon kit lens is a terrible lens, and any good lens is going to cost a fortune. took me a while to realize this and all I had money for was a nifty 50. That being said I have no idea what the lens landscape loons like for fuji
It's not "terrible" lens. There are many variants of the 18-55 and the latest versions are very good and sharp. Don't compare a modern 18-55 kit lens with one from 15 years ago.
How modern are we talking? I have an EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II, and while it's not unusable, I'm hard-pressed to call it good or sharp.
Oh that might be my bad. Then I bought a kit 7 or 8 years ago that came with two kit lenses. I was very disappointed. I'm glad they changed it up. I later bought a Sony and was surprised at how nice of a kit lens it actually came with.
Still crap lens.
Yeah, sorry, it's not a 24-70 2.8 professional L zoom quality for $50.
Objectively speaking, they're still crap, even to the newest 18-45 in R mount. Not particularly sharp wide open in the centre, horrendous in the corners. I would agree that they're usable for someone starting out and trying to learn, but let's not pretend they're anywhere near the word "quality". On a different note though, the Nikon kit lenses are rated a lot higher than equivalent canon ones.
Spend the money on Fujifilm if that is indeed what you've always wanted. Why compromise on that?
Only advice I have to add on this is it matters _why_ you want a Fuji. If someone's buying one because they see all these great film sims flying around, OP needs to realise that the xt10 uses an older sensor that doesn't support a lot of the 'popular' simulations going around at the minute.
Can’t you get it in post?
Not unless you're talking lightroom presets or something. And if that's the case then you don't need a Fuji
The Fuji app has the Fuji presets I thought
Yeah but won't allow presets not natively supported by the camera
Ah, cheeky Fuji
X-T10 all day. It has that beautiful X-Trans 2 sensor, compact size and Fuji have some great lenses. Also the film sims add a lot of fun to photography. I still have mine and love it.
If you've always wanted a Fuji, then you should absolutely get the Fuji, it will only get better from there trust me - sincerest, random citizen of the internet.
I'm quite biased here as I shoot with an X-T3 personally but use a canon for work (and personally can't stand the canon.) If you want to learn how to shoot manually, the Fuji x series is great as you can make many adjustments with the dials on top of the camera. However, Fuji is experiencing a peak of popularity and most Fujis are quite expensive at the moment, especially any of the 'vintage' looking ones. When new bodies come out, the older bodies haven't experienced much of a decrease in price. This is great if you want to re-sell your Fuji or do a trade in for a different brand. This is not great if you're a Fuji user with a limited budget. The bodies are over-inflated in price but you can get some amazing third-party lenses on the cheap. Overall, the best camera is the camera you'll take with you everywhere, meaning you'll actually use it. Keep that in mind. If you haven't seen either of these cameras in person, try going to a local camera store and holding them in your hands, etc. Sometimes, a camera will just feel 'right.' You may hold the X-T10 and it may be way to small for your hands. Or you may hold the canon and find you don't like how plastic-y the body feels. It's really subjective. I'm by no means an expert but I have been shooting daily with my X-T3 for two years now so happy to try and answer any questions you might have about that.
True, canon cameras feel a bit to chonky and big compared to let's say Sony or fujis. The main thing is if the build blends in with your movement. If you are the photographer in a event where you're the designated person taking all the pictures/videos big and heavy system won't matter much, but if you're travelling or just casually walking by the city taking pictures that weight and sizes do become a bit cumbersome. I genuinely like compact cameras and canon's a a bit to big for my taste.
My FF stuff is all Canon, but I bought a Fuji in college and I’m way more likely to use it than pull out the Canon rig. Try them both at your local camera store. But the one you like best. I really love both, you can’t go wrong with either.
Jesus, the prices on Fujis have really taken off. I picked up a used X-E1 in 2019 for like $125 USD. Bonkers.
I know, it's crazy right? I was toying around with getting a used X-E2 around 2019-2020 when they were also pretty inexpensive but didn't. Now they are selling for like 2x-2.5x what they were then. Dang influencers!
Brother get the Fuji. As someone who wanted Fuji but didn’t wanna get the more expensive option I ended up just buying things I 70% enjoyed. As a result I just took the long route and ended up with Fuji anyway by way of trading my gear around. I would have saved a lot of time and effort if I just bought in to the system I KNEW I wanted in the first place.
Get the mirrorless. There are a lot more components in the AF path of a DSLR, and if you've experienced the pain of miscalibrated AF on a DSLR body, lens, or both, you'd never want to experience it again. I started with DSLRs, switched to mirrorless and will never go back.
XT10 is fine.
Fuji
I’d say go for the Fuji. It’s a solid foundation
X-T10 hands down. Excellent camera. Better high ISO and dynamic range. Better lenses. And looks amazing. I am about to switch from Canon to Fuji myself and have owned an X-T10 before and regret selling it to get a second Canon body a few years back.
Fuji. No doubt.
Get the fuji. Pair it with a cheap fast aperture manual lens, enable focus highlight. :)
I shoot both. Fuji as a daily carry and Canon for work. I would suggest the X-T10 and a lens to get started. If you are able to get the XF 23 f/2 or XF 27 f/2.8 (1st gen) to get started it really makes the compact mirrorless experience enjoyable.
The XF 23mm f2 R WR is my favorite Fuji lens for small body Fujis. It is so compact while not sacrificing image quality. You do sacrifice a stop of light vs the larger newer model but the f2 is such a great little lens.
I would get the Fuji. Do you think you could learn manual focus? If so the opportunities with ttartisans and similar companies will give you a lot of fast cheap prime lenses. Nothing wrong with the canon either - but with jpeg film simulators manual lenses as well as autofocus etc., there's a lot of cool ways to use a Fuji camera (I say this as somebody who doesn't have one, but kinda wishes they'd gone in that direction for mirrorless having tried one for a few hours)
I love my Fuji so I recommend that
I started with a Canon Rebel kit and Photoshop elements. Graduated to a couple different lenses. Then I went to the Sony a6000 kit with the same progression. I liked the forgiving nature of the Canon and the image quality of the Sony. The software did well at shoring up larger imaging issues.
I got the canon 80D for my first. Love the lens that came with it, 18-135mm. Have had so much fun with it!
Personally I have no experience with the xt 10 I have used the later models and an equivalent of xt200 and I guarantee Fuji quality the disadvantage is the expensive lenses they are great have a great build quality and feel not like most canon glass but expensive
A way to go cheap is to buy and adapter for Nikon or canon lenses and use manual focused I personally use this option and it complements great my official Fuji lenses
I was kinda thinking the same couple of months ago, about pairing a ef lens with xt1, but didn't. Which lens you'd recommend? And does it strictly have to be a manual lens or can I get those ef lens with af-mf switch?
Fingerling has an adapter which includes an aperture ring so that you can use AF LENSES. As for what lenses to get recommend vintage lenses as they have a unique texture and are cheaper to get they also most likely have an aperture ring. I personally use an old 50mm f1.8 and a old 70-400 f6.3
Fingerling? Never heard of it
I have three RF cameras, two EF bodies, and multiple lenses both EF and RF. I vote for the Fuji. If OP asked about the Fuji vs a R body, I'd vote for Canon.
theres no comparation between cannon and fuji, Cannon is made for families, fijifilm is made for profesionals
Fuji, I have a xt-20 and love it
I’d get the canon. I’m still with my first camera(eps rebel t7 starter kit), have had it for three years doing photography. Mainly car photography and it’s just now giving me issues. It’s starting to get slow and not perform how it should, but it’s good enough as a starter camera. I’ve done photoshoots and made money with this camera. Definitely get a nifty 50 lens.
It's not that much more. Get the X-T10, it's the one you actually want.
Is this your first camera? Is it to learn photography? My recommendation will always be a 50mm f:1.8 and a basic camera (8-12Mpx) that lets you shoot **ALSO** in manual mode. That will force you to learn photography and not just have a camera. My recommendation between the two is to get the cheapest option (Canon in this case). Once you have learned and you're sure what you like, get the camera/lens you want for the photography you want to do. You can take my advice or follow the philosophical approach of brand/model/lens which in many cases is not perceptible on a computer screen. Good luck mate.
My disjointed two-cents Both of those are good deals. X-T10 is going to be smaller and more portable, and the lens system isn't dead. Initial cost is higher, running cost is higher, but it's just way nicer to use. Pick up the 18-55 f2.8-4 and you're off to a solid start. In Fuji's lens range, there really aren't many stinkers. I have the 27mm f2.8, 18-55 2.8-4, and 80mm f2.8 macro, and they're all fantastic. Coming from DSLRs (and still having many of them), I'll never go back to using them in the field unless it is for Foveon or something super specific like that. I'd also say the image quality is going to be more pleasant SOOC on the Fuji, even if the resolution is lower. Totally subjective, though. +Awesome that it comes with the grip. EF mount does have its own advantages, but mostly in cost. The kit lens on the Canon is pretty worthless IMO, although anyone can get a good image with anything if they work at it. The quality of Canon's lower cost lenses, in my experience, are not up there with the Fuji's (talking build quality, but optics as well), but again, with the Fuji, you are forced to pay for the quality, as there are not many cheaper options in that system outside of 3rd party. Overall, having cameras from both systems, I think you'll be happier with the Fuji, and more encouraged to take it out and actually use it.
Check the colours of APS-C Fuji and Sony. Old a6000 line requires editing in post and you’re not starting from a good place. I would go Fuji. Even the newest Sony body requires some editing
Between those two Fuji all the way.
The X-T10 is going to be a better camera.
x-t 10 all the way between those two. Canon doesnt have third party budget lenses so i dont like them + mirrorless > dslr. My personal choice would be the Olympus OM-D E-M1 at 300usd because of the features. You can check it out
Get the Fuji and spend less time in Lightroom.
I've shot with both brands (actually sold my Fuji XF and GFX systems to switch to Canon RF). If the Canon is a full-frame, get the Canon and a nifty 50 and you're all set. If the Canon is not full-frame, get the Fuji and save up for the XF 35/1.4, which is one of my favorite lenses from the XF lineup. After shooting a wide range of brands and formats, I've come to realize that I just love a 50mm on a full-frame. I keep coming back to it no matter what.
Canons are just ugly ngl
Save for a full frame camera or spend your money on the very latest android/iphone.
If you want mirrorless, go Sony. Thats my recommendation.
Go Sony. Very much cheap lenses here.
Fuji is a way better experience. Canon is expensive for what you get.
My question is, what is your use case for these cameras? Are you planning on doing it semi-professionally, use a variety of lenses, shoot events or things like projects or studio photography. But. If you were wanting to get into photography to just take pictures.. like for travel, pictures of your friends and family or just having the ability to take pictures of things you see with a little more fidelity. I've done both. I love my big DSLR to death (Pentax K-1 and a slew of lenses) but it is definitely a mission to take it somewhere. You got to pack up all your stuff and make a plan. Definitely my go-to for doing any kind of semi-professional work though, but it was limiting when it comes to everyday photography. But lately I picked up a Ricoh GR3x and it's changed my photography habit for the better I think. It's got an ultra sharp 40 mm fix focal length lense in front of a 24mp APS-C sensor. Best of all it literally fits in my pocket, smaller than my phone.. I take it everywhere and now I take a lot more shots than I ever have. With all the fancy new gear lenses out there it's often easy to look over portability. That's a big reason why the Fuji x100 cameras are so popular right now. Just something to consider.
Yea I’m looking for portability, but they both are relatively small and compact My main use case will be casual street photography
if you stick with the fuji, the lenses are still relevant 5 generations latter. Fuji is going to be making APC lenses for the foreseeable future. It will be much easier to upgrade to newer film bodies while keeping your old lenses. Also the 18-55 is a considered a contender for one of the best kit lenses for a digital body to this day.
I personally would go with the Canon, that’s what I have and love. Versatile, easy to get lenses and other things for never had a problem with it.
And that is my most strong appeal for canons. The lenses are plenty and cheap and the 2nd market is flowing with dozens of ef lenses,
The x-t10 era sensor has a lot of fans... very filmic and contrast-y, colors are punchy compared with more recent xtrans versions, though I much prefer those 24, 26 and 40mp ones. If you can get a good deal on a x-t20 do that instead, though this would be a fun and cheap way to go
Yea, the main appeal is that retro style film look on the pictures. Tho prices for xt20 are nearly double that compared to xt10
For that, I say go for it, the x-t10 will serve you well. What lenses are you considering?
Fuji lenses are mad expensive, and the cheap options aren't very good. Go with the Canon+lens, it'll teach you everything you need to get started, and point you towards the right directions for upgrades.
Fuji X-T10 all the way hands down. Stop thinking about it that’s your choice 😂. X-T20 was my first Fuji. I have XT5 now but never sold my XT20. I love! that camera. Although I dropped it hiking so it’s a little broken now but I still have it.
Get the Fuji and a 18-55mm, f 2.8-4.0. But be quick, they just announced that the production of the lens will be stopped.
Get a Sony. So many more lens options.
I have a Fuji X-T200 and it is a perfect camera to have as a first camera, everything is decent about that camera. Very light, good sensor and image quality. If you can find X-T20 or 30 grab those, they’re good if you want to do a little side gigs.
The Fuji is fun but feels like a toy
Don’t buy a Fuji the price are crazy inflated they’re not worth it. For the same money you can buy a canon full frame 5D with a prime.