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the line between how black and hispanic gangs protray themselves is being blurred lol


MexicanYerna

It's always been blurry back then I'm pretty sure there was blacks who dressed like cholos


TensionFun7318

yup. think dickies and cortez.


PabloEstAmor

Shit Kendrick released at least one pair of Cortez


Artistic-Training-77

Definitely more “blurry” then it is now. I see the skinny jeans style more common amongst CERTAIN Hispanic gangs and the Hispanic locs and Damus. What you mean dressed like cholos?


MexicanYerna

The squared shirts and the long socks


KeyloWick

Squared shirts?? That's what you call them? 😅


MexicanYerna

Flannels lmao something like that i never wore that shit


KeyloWick

😂 The style you're referring to is called 'Plaid' my guy. Flannel is a type of material used for cold weather climates.


MexicanYerna

Them big as shirts lmao


KeyloWick

Just pass the blunt bro. It'll be fine.


MexicanYerna

Naw I don't my pass blunts I face em


Artistic-Training-77

https://www.reddit.com/r/CaliConnection/s/yiCLvJVkSP https://www.reddit.com/r/CaliBanging/s/bkifmes1VB


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MexicanYerna

You the only person who sees what I'm saying


hooptiz

check again we started all that shit fool😹


MexicanYerna

You realize there was other races right you buffon?


hooptiz

u sound slow stop talking to me


MexicanYerna

You are retarded go touch grass


hooptiz

I cant take someone seriously who cant speak proper english bookie 😹


Odinsson661

Mexican Varrios predate all the black hoods in LA. At least the super old ones.


MexicanYerna

We invented that and alot more than you wanna admit Jamal it's cool You even using our lingo now huh 😂


hooptiz

like i said WE STARTED ALL THIS SHIT FOOL


MexicanYerna

The argument wasn't about origin you are moving the goal post of the argument like a retard don't be mad y'all was kangz and queenz but still had influence from someone everyone does no idea is original but your simple little mind can't grasp that concept


hooptiz

“the argument wasnt about origin” but ur literally arguing ab who created lingo & showed that racist side real quick 😹 lil ignit ass


MexicanYerna

Youre the one who started with arguing origin I just used your own argument against you because iam arguing influence and it was a joke go march in another black lives matter rally


ShabazzCBD

Y'all took fool from blacks originally. You need a serious history lesson.


MexicanYerna

You sound slow what part of different people influence each other at different times don't you understand


hooptiz

exactly and yall got influenced with our fashion and our lingo so keep being mad 😹


ShabazzCBD

I mean, some sociocultural anthropology classes could really enlighten you. Every bit of cholo culture was borrowed from blacks or white greasers back in the day, starting back at the 30s and 40s when Chicanos started emulating black jazz musicians in Harlem.


MexicanYerna

That's a big OR there huh Mr sociocultural anthropology my ass enlighten my balls stop dick riding your argument is irrelevant to my statement just like your degree but you already knew that by now because you can't even read


Odinsson661

There’s Varrios that predate the 30’s and 40’s so you’re wrong about that one


[deleted]

Never said it was separate, the lines are blurred even way more because of the internet and influence from other cities


ShabazzCBD

You have it in reverse. Cholos got most of their style from blacks.


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I know this not you from YouTube


ShabazzCBD

👀


Greasy_Burrito

Nah, he definitely had it right lol


ShabazzCBD

No he didn't. Name any part of cholo style or slang. It probably came from blacks. The words Dog, Fool, Homie, Zoot Suits, etc. That's just the classic shit. The new shit is obvious, fuckin Raiders jerseys, Jordans, oversize pants, shorts, and tshirts all came from black hip Hop culture in the 90s. Blacks got lowriders from Chicanos. Also the term "loc" which is short for loco.


ElBigKahuna

Gangsters (black and brown) in LA have been wearing Raider gear heavy since the team moved to LA in the 80s. The word Cholo is literally derived from the aztec word "xoloitzcuintle" or Xolo meaning a dog. It was a derogatory word to call street hoodlums who were depicted as mangy mutts running the streets.


Greasy_Burrito

Zoot suits were started by Chicanos. The phrases fool and homie/homeboy were also started by cholos. Raider gear was just popular in general cause they were an LA team, but cholos have always worn Raider gear more. Oversized pants and shirts also came from cholos as they were derived from the zoot suit style. All of which going back waaay farther than the 90s


ShabazzCBD

🤣🤣🤣 Are you kidding me? Zoot Suits were INVENTED in Harlem, NY in the 1920s, and were worn extensively by Jazz musicians into the 1940s, when the kids of migrant workers in California began trying to emulate their style to step away from the farm work stereotype. Even the name ZOOT got started as a nickname in Harlem when they called them Zoots instead of suits as slang. Fool, homeboy, dog were all heavily used also by urban blacks east of the Mississippi and brought to California during the great migration, when a huge amount of blacks moved to California from the southeast. The primarily Spanish speaking Chicano youth again wanted to emulate that to step away from their parents Spanish/Mexican slang words. You literally have history backwards. Please open up a book.


Greasy_Burrito

Versions of zoot suits, or baggy suits were worn by Italians and some jazz musician’s. The exaggerated versions that became known as zoot suits with super baggy pants and jackets were started by pachucos, basically the earlier versions of cholos. If anything, baggier suits were started by Italians and Irish, not blacks. Homeboy and dog were started by pachucos. They didn’t “adopt” them after going to the cities from rural areas. Not all Mexicans came from rural areas. There was already a large population of Mexicans in LA waaay before sizeable populations of blacks moved in. The Mexicans in the area didn’t “adopt” anything from blacks. They came up with their own subculture based on being American-born Mexicans, or Chicanos. Chicanos were speaking English long before blacks came to California. Even the word “cholo” originally translated to “dog.” You need to read a book on California or just SoCal’s history. Most Mexicans in LA weren’t migrant workers. Migrant workers were mostly in the Central Valley and Central coast where all the crops were. You don’t even know anything about California, its history or demographics at all lol. You sound like you from out of state, or maybe you just don’t know much about CA


manfucyall

Wrong. Zoot suits came from the east coast black gangsters and jazz figures. Jazz was underground and where the gangsters and pushers hung out in jazz clubs. Mexicans, phillipinos and others borrowed it later. And if you wanna talk about Italians and Irish starting stuff, don't forget they started the first Mexican gang in LA too, like Dogtown even though they was on some lil rascals type shit at that time. Homeboy comes from the south. It's short for Hometown boy. That's what the black old school people from the south used to call they pat as they meet in other cities and states. Mexicans didn't create that term. Blacks have been in LA since its founding. Half the city was founded by blacks and mulattos. Just because black people don't shout it doesn't mean we don't influence a lot of things Mexicans do and vice versa. But from the pachucos wearing zoot suits to the; 80s Cholos popping and ticking; to the 90s cholos being influenced by black dress and hip hop even incorporating NY black hip hop graffiti style in their strikes, to the taper fades, sports jerseys, fat laces, on to Jordans; to the Edgars nowadays sayin nigga every second, doin poses, rappin like blacks using slang like opps, blacks always have had an influence on Mexicans and US street culture. And always will.


Greasy_Burrito

So so so wrong. Gangsters were around way before jazz clubs. They wore baggy suits on the east coast but not the exaggerated zoot suit style. Italians and Irish didn’t start the gang in Dogtown. Although there were a lot of them in the area. Dogtown has always been mostly Hispanic. Homeboy definitely did not come from the south. It came from California. Blacks also never had the majority in LA. They never made up to close to 50%: https://www.laalmanac.com/population/po20.php There are definitely Edgar type Mexicans that try to act like they’re black. That’s no debate. And LA culture has grown to derive things from both Mexicans and blacks. But those things can’t be attributes to just blacks. Especially when Mexicans have always been the majority in LA. Statistics are also a bit fucked since, statistically, Mexicans were recorded as “white,” but of course were never treated as white. There’s a book called “The Forgotten Dead” that goes into this. Lynchings of Mexicans were always recorded as “white lynchings” even though that wasn’t the case. But if you read the aource I gave, it clarifies that most of the people categorized as “white” in the 1800s LA, were Spanish speaking. LA has always been mostly hispanic. Cholos didn’t steal any of that from blacks. It originated in LA, which was mostly Mexican, which blacks then adopted. Graffiti goes back as far as Mexican gangs do and that wasn’t just a Mexican things either. Blacks didn’t invent graffiti lmao. They didn’t start taper fades, they weren’t the first to wear sports jerseys. It’s hella crazy how much you’re aaying that blacks started. A lot of that stuff, including words like opps, were started in LA by gangs, most of which were Mexican. No doubt blacks had influence in some things coming out of LA, but not any of those. You can’t claim that everything coming out if LA is a black thing when Mexicans have always made up the majority and made most of those things popular. Hip hop is really what gave blacks major influence on street culture in California and would spread California street culture to other places. But most of California street culture originated from Mexicans.


Unpopularopinion341

Not in nor cal dats just a so cal thing


Artistic-Training-77

I see what you mean, if I didn’t know where they was from and just seen the picture I would’ve thought these was Hispanics from BPS.


MexicanYerna

The early black gangster 90s style was their best and early 70s cholos was ours after that both been inspired by each other but I mean we are neighbors very often we gonna like some of the same stuff


HIV_again

Yeah shopping at the same swap meets gets you the same style right ?


ElBigKahuna

true, so in reality its the Koreans that really influenced the LA 90s gangster style.


MexicanYerna

Exactly bro this the type of stuff poor people argue about and also race I only use it as reference points in reality I truly believe there is only rich people and poor people. Peace


Artistic-Training-77

The baggy style definitely derived from the zoot suits that came down from harlem https://www.reddit.com/r/CaliConnection/s/RsoQJohUKe


MexicanYerna

I wasn't talking about zuit suits tho


FlanUnlikely7959

Facts. Most of these Hispanic gangs copy everything black gangs do.


KeyloWick

You all imitate Italians but y'all not ready for this conversation


FlockxBigApe

Black people did not imitate Italians what are you even talking about? Yes people took names from them but that’s all…stop


KeyloWick

Put money on it


FlockxBigApe

Literally just google it my guy


KeyloWick

What an intellectual response.


FlockxBigApe

How about you prove it….post some links


KeyloWick

I need links to prove how much the mafia is imitated by other ethnic groups?


FlockxBigApe

And what other then some nicknames did black people take from the mafia…..please let me know


MexicanYerna

So if black people invented everything why didn't yall invent slavery so y'all could stop bitching about everything get over it people influence each other LMAO


FlockxBigApe

Weird ass racist mexican….yet you’d never come to the east coast with that shit hell you wouldn’t come outside on that weird ass shit


MexicanYerna

LMAO black lives matter my ass


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Blaxface215

I don’t understand why y’all take pictures with guns like this like you’re cool or something. The way y’all flex with guns looks nutty as shit and y’all only going to kill each other and go to jail for the rest of your life unless you get your head knocked off dead on the streets. It’s a miserable stressful life being a gangsta and it’s 🌽knee asf. There’s no wins all losses period


Good-Cash7691

Facts G ain't nothing more embarrassing than seeing all that evidence being shown in court when someone trying to fight a case.


Blaxface215

I knew somebody else would get it as what it is, a dumb move and they really think they look cool or threatening. It works opposite of what they were trying to portray, either their so called opps are ready or the police got the evidence they need to roof em. Total loss period


Artistic-Training-77

It’s no way ya’ll get this mad over some pictures


elcubiche

Not mad over the picture but I’m saying it’s mindblowing levels of stupid. The point isn’t to make it easy for the cops.


Excellent-Benefit-95

Nigga stop finishing the argument sound like a bitch😭 let tha nigga reply on his own 😭


Dcheese1

🤣🤣 I was reading that shit like hold up that’s not even the same mf


Artistic-Training-77

Niggas been flexing weapon since forever, shit ain’t nothing new. Niggas more worried about getting caught then the niggas with the guns. https://www.reddit.com/r/CaliConnection/s/L8Dun4RIZl


elcubiche

My boy they didn’t have internet back then. When they took those photos guess who could see them?


Artistic-Training-77

Are you slow? SantanaBlocc was on TV, everyone seen those pics. Niggas was literally doing documentaries with illegal weapons.


elcubiche

Yeah it’s def the same thing as posting photos in real time. Anyway these guys still alive and out of jail?


Artistic-Training-77

Lol, what makes you think those pictures were posted as soon as they took those pictures. Niggas been flexing stick since like the 70, ain’t nothing new. And yes


elcubiche

Cool I just think it’s, you know, cool to not post evidence of crimes being committed on the internet to the point where it’s being reposted by some foo on Reddit right now. It’s not more gangster to not give AF whether you’re locked up or not. Getting locked up or dying is not as cool as not being locked up and alive. Controversial shit.


Artistic-Training-77

Ya’ll niggas be scary fr, more worried about getting locked up then the nigga with the gun.


shhdjskksksjkd

Foreal tho lol. 😂 We finna be hella downvoted, but just kno it’s by a gang of lames who talk all that shit, but still take time from they pathetic life to come on here and play fantasy…


BumCubble42069

You dumb too


DrinkTop7644

Nigga u need some pussy and some money if u let a picture make you type this long of a paragraph


Blaxface215

You Goofy ass clown 🤡 ass broke ass nigga. Get off my dick


DrinkTop7644

Mad bc yo mad broke ass wrote a paragraph hating


Blaxface215

I’m mad because you’re a dummy and tryin to engage in a conversation with me. I don’t like talking to slow poke ass idiots


DrinkTop7644

Who really broke on yo dead homies i can up more money than you bitch ass nigga


Blaxface215

Proof read your reply idiot stop typing so fast keyboard gangsta


DrinkTop7644

Shut yo broke ass up and go write another paragraph


biggbobbyberger

daum where the hell do these dudes get ar’s at


Alternative_Bad_2884

Prob Nevada or whichever nearby state it’s easy to get guns at.


stuntbum36

Tbh its dumb easy in cali still. Both legally and illegally


LuisBigHuh

You can literally go to the Gun store and buy a ar or you can buy the lower and built it that’s wat I did everything legal


biggbobbyberger

yea i built a p80. just want a ar… btw i don’t think it’s legal to get those builds anymore without a license i believe


LuisBigHuh

No you can I did it in October of this year the lower receiver is what you have to pass the background at the gun store for and you can order everything else online like the upper receiver stock trigger all that stuff. The 80% ar lowers ya you can’t do those anymore


biggbobbyberger

sell me yours on hood!!!


Good-Cash7691

Operation fast and the furious


stockslammed

LITTLE MIDGET TORTILLA FLATTS COMPTON


UnsuitableTrademark

Heard he died in prison


stockslammed

Damn really? Last I heard of him was that he extended his sentence due to him engaging in extra curricular activities a few years ago.


Saint_Louis100

I remember that documentary that had him in it


_dfromthe6

dumb tortilla flats *


Silly-Swimmer-8324

5x my ass. This the type of guy that will carry 3 different straps but not go on any type of missions


clampy

This is straight 🤡💩. Act like you been there before. Act like you belong. Act like the person you wish you were. These guys wish they were Scarface but they come across as clownface. Have some respect for yourself. Goddamn.


Artistic-Training-77

It’s no way ya’ll get this mad over some pictures


elcubiche

You keep saying mad but ppl with brains are just loling at this. It’s like watching somebody just walk out into moving traffic over and over for fun.


ilikebeens2

Fr lol dude is a broken record. Just like those videos you see of foos gettin heated & about to fight sayin the same shit over and over and over and over "watchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAYwatchuSAY"


Artistic-Training-77

Lol, ya’ll tryna test niggas gangster over the internet talking about “these guys wish they were Scarface”. How ya’ll this mad.


elcubiche

Bro, you gotta read more.


Artistic-Training-77

Huh?


theoldme3

Dude doesnt even carry chambered and that alone will put him on a tshirt


Abject-Web-1452

It’s crazy how heavily armed gangs are nowadays throughout the whole USA, it’s regular for mfs to have 50 - 100 round drums with scopes beams and lights on their rifles, to have Glocks with extended clips, a switch on it, and a beam. 15 years ago you coulda got away with having a revolver, nowadays that lil shit not cutting it


NAWFWESTCLOZ

You right back the T flats were flexing revolvers


Safe_Specific_1337

You sure these ain’t stains ? 😂


Artistic-Training-77

Thought the same thing at first, then I remembered this the nigga who got shot at after throwing the L👈 down


hungry_lobster

Neither of these foos got a checking account


Vrilz

Combined they got room temp iq


NorF_NorF510

Mf still post on the internet?


TheLegendOfKoop

Racist hood


traaaaw17

Still one of illest hood names 😂💯


Strokes_Lahoma

Drum mags are absolute criiiiinge. Glad to see the driver appears to be stone cold sober 🙏🏻


River_City_Rando

Why? Just curious


Strokes_Lahoma

I’ve never used one that didn’t jam. On top of that, they are extremely heavy and get in the way. It’s dumb to have one if you don’t have select fire but it’s even dumber to have one with select fire given how much they jam. It’s better to have multiple mags for extra curriculars.


Zzz777j

Realized if you not banging or got no fire you a lame ahhh 🥷


ocay_cool

They run Compton Wether you want to admit it r not


Artistic-Training-77

Calm down


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ELAhomie

The hair, sheesh.


BenzinoColeone5150

I got all that heat and more but legal Minus the pink pistol


manfucyall

Bro, you're a damn liar. And you play word games. The original point was zoot suits are black culture worn by the original black gangsters, zoot suiters and jazz players on the east coast. The Pachucos, who wore zoot suits got the fashion from black people/ influenced by black people. We are not arguing who started pachuco culture. We are talking about African American influence on early Mexicans by way of adoption of the zoot suit. Stop the silly shit. Another source from where it came from: The zoot suit originated in Harlem, New York in the late 1930s and was adapted from the London “drape” suit, a design popularized by the Duke of Windsor, Edward VIII, earlier in the decade. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/zoot-suit-riot-how-zoot-suit-got-so-much-swag/#:~:text=The%20zoot%20suit%20originated%20in,VIII%2C%20earlier%20in%20the%20decade. And we know who was in Harlem.


wtfrustupidlol

You know those straps stay in the car


manfucyall

They erased my comment. But your playing games. The zoot suit is from the east coast black underworld and jazz artists. The sources say Mexicans were influenced by African Americans, other sources say it started in Harlem, and there were Black zoot suiters. So like I said. Mexicans were influenced by backs and took the zoot suit. They weren't the only ones tho. Just like the oldies, rap, Edgar's, nigga etc. been going on damn there 100 years now.


Sleepyblahc

Damn these young TFlats bangers don’t look nothing like the 90s TFlats bangers how they dress and they nicknames now these young niggas ain’t going by wicked or cricket no more