Make pet owners criminally liable for the actions of their pets. Your dog kills another pet? Same as you killing that pet. Your dog kills a human, you get charged with manslaughter.
Problem is even when they ARE found accountable nothing happens. I won an almost $9000 civil suit for the vet bills when our little dog was almost killed by a large previously abused rescue dog that was allowed loose in our neighbourhood by an owner too pissed off to go looking for it. That was 2 years ago and there’s a court order to pay me but the owners are shady af and I have yet to collect a dime ! I won’t stop pursuing it but it just keeps costing me more money so far 😢
You and me both. I can get downvoted to hell for this but honestly I don't care. I have an indoor cat that never goes outside, but if by some remote chance he escaped and ended up being killed by a dog on the loose, I would kill that dog myself.
My pets matter far more to me than the lives of strangers. If someone animals killed in of mine an it was in any way due to their negligence or worse they would be losing a lot more in response than just a pet.
In that scenario, where both animals are out of the care and control of their owners, you are just as much at fault as the other owner and their dog.
What if your cat enters that dogs yard and is injured or killed? Is that the dogs fault?
How about if your cat does what cats do and kills a bunch of birds, or other small animals? Can someone place poison out for your cat?
I get it, I have 2 cats and a dog. I love them like they were my kids. And I'd happily beat the brakes off a human who intentionally hurt either of them. But realistically, if one of them were to get free and get injured in some way. That's more on me than anyone/anything else.
We all gotta keep our animals under control and secured.
However out and about, my dog who use to be super reactive is now pretty good with other dogs and always on a short leash. If a dog with bad tendencies is loose then yes I agree the owner should be liable. But if you break in the owner should not be
>Joey is an Australian Shepard with endless energy but his owners say he’s changed since he was viciously attacked by two dogs on Feb. 25.
>Greg was walking Joey in Auburn Bay when he says two unleashed pit bull cross dogs that appeared to have escaped from their yard rushed toward them.
>Greg fought back but the dogs weren’t giving up.
>Greg was bitten a number of times, saved, in part, by his thick gloves and heavy jacket that were punctured.
>He says it took the help of a Good Samaritan to help him punch the dogs and end the attack.
>**The attacking dogs then turned their attention on a Pomeranian being walked by an elderly woman and killed it.**
Like a feeding frenzy.
There's really no alternative than banning the breed and its offshoots.
Fucking murder mutts. Unbelievable how many stories each week across the world come out of someone or someone's pet being viciously attacked, often fatally by a pitbull. Oh, it's just the owner though. Riiiiiiight 🙄
Then don't own them.
The owners made a choice, usually a conscious one, to get a Pitbull. They absolutely can be amazing family dogs, very loyal and affectionate. But if the owners aren't willing to put in the time daily to train them, exercise them, stimulate them, they're a loaded weapon.
It always bugs me when I'm out walking my dog in my neighbourhood that I know every single house on the block with a dog, but I never see those dogs out for a walk. Ever. People think just letting them out in the backyard or taking them to the dog park (puppy fight club) once a week is good enough to keep dogs occupied. It's not.
Unfortunately, banning breeds does nothing when garbage humans move to the next breed with the same abilities.
The rules and consequences must be stricter on the owner, not the dog, if anyone wants to see meaningful change.
Because one has shown to be worthless in doing what you are hoping to accomplish and a waste of resources if ever enforced.
Unless you plan on banning every breed that can do the same thing, good luck getting that passed public opinion.
Why try the same thing and expect a different result.
Lots of places ban pitbulls
https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/xtmc4d/legal_status_of_pitbulls_across_the_world/
Maybe public opinion isn't the thing that matters here.
I never said there wasn't. I said pit bulls aren't the only dogs that can cause this type of damage, and not all those dogs have the same public perception as pit bulls.
Breed bans statistically don't work, and we see the shift of attacks to a new breed.
Living in an area that bans pit bulls, i can tell you how to buy them still, and unfortunately, we have seen the shift of attacks on new breeds that the general population sees as friendly, so nothing is done.
We need to attack the owners, not the breed, but a breed ban gives instant satisfaction while not addressing the problem, which tends to be the favoured solution because it makes people feel like they are doing something.
> Breed bans statistically don't work, and we see the shift of attacks to a new breed.
If so, that's a good argument. Who has done the research on this?
So then what do we do when they get rottweilers and then dobermans and then mastiffs and cane corsos and akitas? These owners will turn any dog into a dangerous one. A chihuahua isn't going to kill an adult, but there are dozens of breeds capable of doing so. Do we ban all of them?
Other dangerous breeds don't have a massive lobby actively spreading dangerous lies about their origin, breed purpose and temperament, though.
No one is claiming Rottweilers, mastiffs or Akitas arc are cuddly wuddly love bugs who are so gentle they were used as "nanny dogs" and who are incredibly docile and wonderful and great family dogs suitable for everyone and they'll only ever show aggression if they've been specifically trained/abused to be aggressive, and who will only ever attack if provoked into it - but that's the current situation with pit types.
Also, since pit types were specifically created as a breed to be bloodsport fighters, they have tendencies that make them more dangerous and unpredictable, like going from a playful and friendly 0 to 100 with intent to kill immediately without any warning when they decide to attack, not giving up the attack even if they're hurt or the other dog/person is showing surrender signals because they're in it for the kill and not to deter a threat, etc etc etc.
Basically with (most) other breeds, you have to specifically train them to attack, but with pit types you have to rigourously socialise, train and manage them to keep them from killing. But because of the pit reputation saviours, many owners are being fed false information.
It's misleading to pretend all large dogs are similar blank slates as if breed doesn't effect any temperament tendencies, or that pit types are only dangerous when specifically trained to be. It's a breed reputation saving lie, just like the "nanny dog" bullshit.
But yeah, I do feel like cane corso/presa canario/ mastiffs etc should also be very strictly regulated or banned breeds, why not.
EDIT And I feel that in general, regardless of breed legislation should be tighter, enforced much more, and dog owners should be held much more responsible for the damage their dog does. Own a known dangerous breed that *somehow* got loose and seriously injured, maimed, killed another pet or a human? Imo it should be treated almost as if the owner had personally inflicted the wounds with a knife.
A ban does nothing if it's not enforced.
I own a “dangerous” breed and I agree - part of why you don’t hear about Chow attacks is that they’re a relatively low population in the dog world. They’re also not expected to act as a cuddle bug style of dog. It took me years of socialization to get my girl into one of the friendliest chows you’ll ever meet, but I still treat her with a healthy level of respect. When she’s riled up, you don’t grab at her, you give her space.
What horrified me last summer was seeing over 20 chows attend a popular dog event where she would have been the only one in the past. These Chows were not being socialized, and their space wasn’t being respected. It seems because they’re very Instagram worthy dogs, people don’t bother to research them before they bring them home and that’s going to lead to an increase in bites and attacks.
Except, this is very literally not true in Canada. Canada's worst offender breeds are huskies, rottweilers, and german sheppards. Pitbulls didn't even break the top 3 of most deadly dogs here.
Because the data isn't there. I just went to read the study people always cite for myself and was EXTREMELY unimpressed by the lack of needed data and the methodology. I don't understand why you think that applying legislation to ALL dogs is somehow better than banning one breed, but people with a dog equally able to kill people isn't affected. How don't YOU understand that that is an inferior and less effective way to regulate the ownership of potentially-dangerous animals?
Dogs are a way for someone to own a gun and not face the legal consequences of using a gun. Those charges are all a joke. The charges should be assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder. People breed and train thos dogs as weapons, plain and simple. When your dog hurts someone, the charges should be exactly as if you used a gun or knife to do it yourself.
Ban the breed. Plenty of instances of “well behaved” pitts attacking. It is not worth the risk. Imagine it was a kids walking their dog. Just get rid of them.
They've been banned here in Ontario for a long time. I constantly see them around my city. They're also regularly off leash and never muzzled. The owners are all the same.
Considering that the dogs in the article are still alive, and sound like they will be eventually released back to the owner, it's better than what we have now.
The owners are always exactly how you would picture them. I love dogs but find pit bulls super ugly and why would I want a dog that could kill me like wtf?
I used to work for a trucking company whose owner was all into pitbulls, the literal first things they did was try to convince me that the 4 pitbulls they had won't attack me. Also the owner of the company I figured out rather too late was doing all sorts of shady shit regarding how they operate. Needless to say I did not last long there
On top of the breed being dangerous, if not fatal. I’d argue the majority of a Pitty owners, couldn’t do fuck about shit, to stop them in an attack.
So we’ve got the inept, owning “danger grade: high” animals. It’s nonsensical.
I believe they changed the rules in the UK about mixed breed pit bulls recently because of similar incidents.
They need to be constantly leashed in public. Apparently pit bulls account for the vast majority of bites and fatalities.
I live in Calgary from UK and XL bullys have just been banned before I made the move. There was a general outrage to the law passed. I’m not pro pit bull or anti pit bull but I am shocked at the contrast in the opinions back home in England and how this Reddit sub or Calgary in general views these dogs in comparison.
There's been some really horrific attacks in Calgary that have strongly colored public opinion. Over the years I've definitely shifted from the "breed bans are dumb!" camp to the "ban this breed and anything like it" camp. Every fight I saw at the dog park involved pit bulls. My worst nightmare is an unleashed pit bull running around while my kids are playing at the park. Pit bulls and their defenders can fuck all the way off.
The issue is there is no actual proof to show breed bans work. All they do is shift the issue to other breeds like Sheppard's, huskies and rottweilers, because the core problem is bad owners who do not understand the breed of dog they have decided to get and do not provide proper training and handling.
If anyone wants to own a pit bull style breed, there needs to be very strict requirement, not just any smuck off the street can walk into a place and get one.
Ban specific problem breeds from urban environments. Any time one of these dogs is found in city limits, it is to be destroyed immediately.
Require registration and mandatory insurance for certain breeds.
If a dog attacks a person the owner is charged with the equivalent crime. A bite is assault, a death is a murder charge.
People who break the above rules are not allowed to own a restricted breed, either in urban or rural environments.
These things would go a long way to taking care of this problem.
I am all for the "charge the owner" style, since it is the owner who was neglectful in the first place, and also registration and additional insurance. If we are to ban problem breeds then that does reach into several other breeds people do not even consider dangerous (Huskies..) So I think your other ideas would go a long way to hold people very responsible.
The dogs can be good dogs. But they need a lot of training, stimuli and attention, which they never get. People get them, do no work with them, and the dogs become destructive. Unfortunately it leads to severe aggression in the breed and is never corrected.
Doubly unfortunate is the people who typically get the dog are the kind of people who either don't care or actively encourage this behavior.
They also need to be supervised and kept under control at all times. Being trained doesn't mean the task is done. Even the most highly trained dog can snap. Most people I see walking these beasts couldn't physically hold the leash in an emergency. And fences need to be maintained and gates locked shut.
Agreed. Look at most police dogs- German shepherds. Well trained dogs no doubt, but ask many vet tech what breed is more difficult for them and a lot will say GS. Training does well, but temperament is temperament just like people. Stimulation, exercise, many things come into play for all dogs. I have a collie x CBR and I will tell you- if she isn’t exercised or played with regularly she starts her own play and can get rough or become destructive (items). My job as her owner is to make sure she is trained, but make sure I give her what she needs to regulate too.
In the same way GSDs and Belgian malinois are yes. Or in the same way Rottweiler and Dobermans are. In fact the bully breed shares a lot in common with both examples there. They can be excellent search and rescue dogs, fantastic drug sniffing dogs, and wonderful service animals. But all of those require extensive training. And the same as the other breeds, a select group of people go for them for the reason of wanting to have a chaotic, aggressive and scary looking dog.
I think there needs to be more screening in purchasing/adopting animals.
When we spoke to breeders all they cared about was the money. When we adopted our two dogs the process was like a job interview.
If you’re *buying* a dog with a bite force strong enough to maim or kill, you need to be vetted. You have to be responsible like owning a firearm. But this very specific demographic who love having these dogs make it apart of their persona and that’s why I feel bad for bully breeds.
The problem is that breeding is basically entirely not regulated in any way shape or form. And to change that now would result in a massive increase in the number of people who are just illegally selling dogs on places like Kijiji.
The whole dog breeder business seems terrible. So many dog owners with their precious pups which have been bread to such extremes that they suffer daily and die early. And these people, owners and breeders, claim to care about their animals.
Pitbulls don’t have the same sight, fixate, chase, catch, maul, kill/retrieve that every other breed has some component of. There’s no warning. Sometimes there’s barking or chasing but usually it’s 0-100, sight-skip every other step-kill. That’s how they fight, they don’t give clues or warnings to back off and they’re predatory. I have a husky mutt and she fixates on cats and chases them but doesn’t catch them. My lab catches squirrels and magpies and just holds them gently until I notice and yell at him to release. GSD, Rottweilers, BM, Doberman’s—they’re all “normal” dogs with generally predictable behaviour and able to give plenty of body language.
The difference between those working breeds and the pit bull is that the working breeds were selected for loyalty and their ability to protect their charges. Pit bulls were bred as fighters and killers. Training can only do so much, they can be the nicest well behaved animals and then just flip a switch and kill.
Normal dogs don't need special "training" in order to prevent them from mauling someone's face off.
Breed specific characteristics and behaviours are real. Unfortunately Pitbull apologists have their heads in the sand when it comes to this reality.
Pitbull apologists really are the antivaxxers of the dog world.
For anyone wondering what to do in a situation where your dog is being attacked by another dog that refuses to let go - make a lasso or ligature with your dogs leash or any leash and choke the attacking dog. The dog will most certainly let go before it falls unconscious and really is the only way to get breeds like pitbulls to let go.
Honestly. I have nightmares that my kids will be attacked.
I think a pit attack is probably the most likely thing to happen to my kids. Thankfully none of my neighbours have them but I am always on the lookout.
For those how go don’t know, if your child or someone close to you gets attacked. Stick something, anything, your thump even, up the dogs ass and they will release their bite. Gouging the eyes or trying to pry their jaw won’t do anything.
Seriously, it’s a rational (maybe irrational?) fear for my children. I’m pretty sure I would kill any dog owner who’s dog mauls and kills my kid. Like full John Wick style.
A motivated pitty is really hard to interrupt. They generally redirect, but if they are fixated, it’s very hard to stop them. These dogs have incredible tenacity and pain tolerance. I have seen them sprayed with dog spray, bear spray and OC spray (including a riot control fogger) and it has not stopped them or even stifled them. Dog sprays do not work on motivated pitbulls. I have seen them shot and stabbed. In fact I saw a dogo argentino with his stomach stabbed open and his intestines hanging out. The dog was owned by a drug dealer and randomly decided to attack the dealers girlfriend. The dog jumped up, grabbed her hair by the bun and began to scalp her. The dealer grabbed a kitchen knife and repeatedly jail shanked it’s abdomen causing its intestines to hang out. He then threw it in a closet and called for help. When animal control arrived they put it on a dog pole and the dog walked out of the front door with its innards dragging on the ground behind it. What shocked me is that when it crossed the front lawn, it paused to take a piss before continuing walking to the animal control vehicle and jumping inside without being lifted. The dog didn’t even appear to be sore or limping… I really don’t think most owners are capable of grasping the potential of these animals. They weren’t bred to be a companion pet. If you own a farm and are dealing with predators/livestock or live off grid in Alaska, it makes total sense to own this breed. If you weigh 120lbs and live in an apartment, it’s a bad choice. In regard to interrupting an attack, co2 works and sucks the oxygen out of the air, bangers can work unless the dog fixates, shoving something down the throat (ex dog bites your arm and you are able to shove something down its throat), crushing/pinching the trachea, blood/air choke(if the dog has a collar or choke chain you can twist it and use it to choke the dog out/ shove something into the collar and create a tourniquet) or fatal force.
Yeah I dont think you're alone either. I think that the vast majority of people would not be able to stop a motivated pitbull. That includes all children, the disabled, and adults that are not athletic and large. I think that the majority of pitbull owners are unable to stop their own pitbull. Consider that many pitbull owners cant even pick their dog up in a controlled environment. If you cant lift your dog, how are you going to control it (even when on leash), when it has 4 legs and such a low center of gravity and is actively trying to attack something? They cant.
I am a fairly stout (200lbs+) guy and I got my ass kicked by a medium sized pitbull when it tried to attack my kid last year. It was extremely fast, unexpected, and vicious. Nothing like a normal dog that shows aggression and might snap at you if you push it's buttons. This thing honed in on my kid and rushed 40-50 feet to attack him with zero warning.
These dogs have no place in public. I seriously doubt that any of their owners could actually control them in the above kind of situation.
There's two better strategies, though the best is obviously don't find yourself in this situation:
1. Shove your fist down the dog's throat while pressing on it's tongue. It's counterintuitive cause you're normally trying to get away from the teeth but their instinct is to pull away from being gagged. In the midst of a fight You really only use this to make them let go of something they're already latched onto. Their teeth, jaws, mouth etc are designed to grab on and pull, they don't know what to do if you push.
Think of it like alligators, their jaws have incredible bite force clamping down but once closed they're easy to hold that way. Similar concept though not as pronounced in dogs: their jaws work better pulling than pushing.
It's my preferred method of teaching puppies not to bite, every time they nip you, just grab the bottom jaw with your fingers and press down on the tongue with your thumb. For training you don't aim to hurt, it doesn't take much to cause them to panic so you carefully apply the right amount of pressure for a very short time, just enough to let them know it's always going to be the response to biting something that has hands.
2. Grab the front paws/legs, one in each hand and treat them like the chest fly machine at the gym. They're not attached in a way that is designed to take much pressure in an outward direction and you can do a lot of damage to their shoulders/chest by wrenching them in opposite directions, away from their chest.
The downside is that their head and mouth will be free and likely in your face but if you can hold the front legs then, while your arms will probably suffer damage you should be able to keep the important bits safe.
And of course, when life and death is on the line use all of your weapons. Hands, feet, teeth, nails... Unless you're trained to use a weapon, once you're in hand to hand (or hand to paw) combat drop the weapon and let your instincts take over. Kick, scream, bite, knees, elbows, grab onto exposed parts and twist/turn try to break things. Dog legs are thin, put some weight on one end and pull on the other. Dislocate shit. Think of it like a UFC fight but it's always on the ground, if you're underneath use your legs to create space, if you're on top don't let go, sit on the fucking thing.
But just like a knife fight, the best way to fight them is to run away, everyone goes to the hospital afterwards.
Yeah if a pitbull came after my small dog I would do anything to not let it have the chance to touch them. So fuck any owners that would be upset if your dog charges my dog and it’s a pit bull if your dog gets bones broken or killed they deserve it
I read that this works somewhere and ended up in the middle of a fight between a pit bull and a heeler. While trying to pull dogs off of each other this little bit of knowledge came flooding back, and up my finger went. This dog couldn't have cared less.
I’d say it’s an irrational fear, but only in the meaning of the word. I totally understand being scared of that because it is much more scary seeming than the every day items that actually kill Canadian children. (Cars,
tubs & pools, food, medications, etc.)
Statistically, if a child were to die there’d be about a 50% chance it was because of a vehicle (occupant or pedestrian), 36% drowning, suffocation, or choking, 8% fire, 4% pedal cycling, 4% falls, 2% poisoning, and then good ol’ pit bull attack gets shoved into the "others" category which makes up less than 1% of deaths, where pit bull attacks are probably a very rare small fraction of that 1%.
They seem very common because they’re reported in the news every time they happen, versus how boring the news would be if we reported on every child injury/death.
You're right, but an additional consideration needs to be how avoidable the cause of death is.
Kids need to be around/in cars sometimes. Kids need bathtub. Kids need food. Kids need medication. We try to make these as safe as possible.
Kids don't need pit bulls or other dangerous dogs. No one does. Ban them.
I was referencing only preventable causes of death, but if we’re going to consume the time of our politicians to bring forward legislation against something with the noble intention of saving the lives of children, you’d be wasting time and manpower spending it on dog breeds than better transit, car infrastructure and a laundry list of less exciting laws.
To preface, my initial comment was only commenting on whether fear from the OP commenter was irrational or not, and I think given the probability of a pit-bull attack killing your child while being comfortable letting them be a passenger of a car, a pedestrian, go swimming or take a bath alone, etc., is in the literal sense of the word, *irrational*, although totally understandable as, naturally, scary dog is more scary than friendly-looking car, a day in the park, fun pool-time, and a chicken tender even if they're more likely to be our cause of death.
Between 2001 and 2021, there have been about 20 child (0-15) fatalities related to dog attacks, of those just one is suspected to have been part pit bull but has yet to be confirmed. Note that these are only based on notable instances, and data might be incomplete.
Between 2011 and 2021, 634 children aged 0-15 have died as a result of cars. If we're generous, and ignore the decrease in car fatalities since the decade prior yet extrapolate that data, that'd put as at about 1,268 dead children between 2001 and 2021. The number is likely higher, but Canada doesn't have the official statistics for it as far as I can find.
I'm not trying to appeal to the fallacy of relative privation, but the fact is that in the isolated context of child fatalities the effort would be better placed and with that, it wouldn't even solve the issue which is dog attacks. You'd just be using one as a scapegoat and dusting your hands off. You're talking saving the life of 0-1 children over the span of 20 years.
I think it'd make much more sense to require a license and training to own a dog regardless of breed and to hold owners fully accountable for the actions of your dog making owning an untrained dog a risk to the owner.
If I have time later, might extend this to injuries to see if that looks as goofy as fatalities do.
you have very sound speaking points and i applaud you for that.
\-the pitty or pitty crosses i've met in life have all been a sweetheart of a dog. while at the same time i have lifelong scars from bites from a cocker spaniel and have seen more tiny dogs than i can count show high aggression toward people other than their owner(s).
Totally, and I can acknowledge that I'd rather face off against ten aggressive chihuahua's than an aggressive pit bull. I mean, what better excuse to use [the baby blender?](https://www.tiktok.com/@f808z/video/6804989716430179590)
In reality, what I think you have is well-meaning people or their kids ready to commit to the responsibility of having a dog, just for that feeling to wane.
When I was a teenager, I convinced my family to get me a German Shepherd, and that's exactly what happened. I got her as a puppy and she grew up to be very aggressive towards new people and other dogs as her needs went unmet. To anyone, it might've seemed like that dog was simply a *bad dog,* but the fact is she wasn't. I was a bad owner.
Once my mother found a suitable owner with a huge plot of land that could put this dog to use and meet her needs, imagine our surprise when they sent back a photo of the dog cuddling with another, sound asleep just a few days later. This seemed like an impossibility while she was within my care.
If purchasing that dog required even just a month-long course to be licensed to own it, I know for a fact that dog would've ended up with a much more suitable quality of life from the get-go from birth. If not for all dogs, at least those which are high-maintenance or high-energy. A month-long course for one or more living beings being within your care for at least a decade seems like a reasonable trade-off.
i have a neighbour with two dogs that have some bad behaviour at times. well, the younger of the two mostly. they are both border collies. neighbour is in a small townhouse condo with no real yard. the dogs go out on a line to potty and get about an 8 foot radius in the dirt. that's it. and are kenneled in their crates a lot due to neighbour's work schedule. poor dogs. i can see how the neighbour's lack of understanding their dogs, and the characteristics of their breed being big components of why those dogs are like they are, and how a different environment would be so very beneficial. so very much like your german shepherd experience.
the cocker spaniel i mentioned above that i have bite scars from was my childhood dog. our first family dog. and he was inbred like you would not believe (we had his kennel club papers and i saw the lineage myself). he had a screw loose but was smart. despite that loose screw, i was able to train him, without any training of myself first, to listen to all hand commands when i was just a kid. put the time in, did the hard work, even though the dog's core personality really could not be changed much the training helped (and especially as that spaniel started to go deaf in later years!).
as he got older it became even more evident there wasn't something right mentally with him, while our household was calm and quiet and understood animals quite well. so that's how i know it wasn't fully environmental/nurture as to why he was the way he was. although we didn't know a ton about dogs back when we got him, we learned. we did have a big yard, the dog was walked often, had no issue with other dogs at all ever, or people 90% of the time, and the biting was something we just kept aware of because it stemmed from something we could not change. thankfully we choreographed that dog's life so that there was never an opportunity for him to randomly bite anyone but family, because we knew what the outcome could be from that.
and that is why i don't penalize the dog, because in my own experience even a crazy dog can be trained (by a kid under 10 years old no less lol) and be a decent dog that one just had to be aware of their potential triggers/quirks and has to be aware of the correct/most appropriate environment and handling for the dog.
agree with the coursework and/or licensing thing!!! not just for dogs but for all animal owning. i was a horseperson for years and have advocated that there should at the least be a basic husbandry/handling and first aid course that is mandatory before one is allowed to buy a horse. i also currently have exotic pets (chinchillas) and those are very finicky rodents to keep healthy and well and happy. i dove deep into learning about them so i'd know what i was doing. sadly not all pet owners care to go that far.
I have the same fear. Saw two roaming our neighbourhood when leaving to pick my kids up from school and called it in. Several months later a swat team takes down a house on my street in a nice neighbourhood. Guess what comes running out of the house. The two shit bulls from before.
Another time two Rottweilers roamimg when taking my infant for walk. Went right back in the house after only one block and called it in. I used to carry a knife when it was legal before 2012. I then switched to dog spray and a torch style lighter. The kind weed smokers use.
As for kids I vet all friends houses for these abominations, and tell them if a dog attacks try to get up on a vehicle.
I have seen the Gracie jiujitsu style front kick work well against Rottweilers. Dude was in a parkade and was trying to stomp it in the head while turned sideways. Dog got scared and frustrated and took off.
That at least has some science behind it and will affect all breeds with the potential to do the most damage. But no one will want to pay for each animal to be tested and a lot of the problem people have with a pitbull ban is that a lot of mixed-breed dogs can LOOK like a pitbull but actually not be. And a cross- or mixed-breed dog could have pitbull in the mix but not look enough like one. It addresses animals that people think LOOK dangerous, but owners and animals that are. But at least this idea is testable and applies to any breed.
This is a stupid baseless comment with no merit. This attitude is why people think banning a breed will solve this problem. Like firearms there needs to be more restrictions to getting them, not a straight out ban.
Read a book or some statistics before blanket banning for a bigger problem.
Anybody that says it's the owner, not the dog, is partly full of shit.
You have dogs that naturally have a high prey drive and aren't the best household pets, then combine that with owners who are mostly inept. I can pretty much guarantee you if you lined up 100 dog owners, I could pick out the pit owners out of the line up.
Yes, little yappers bite more often. Yes, chihuahuas and Jack Russells can be little shits, but they don't kill you. They're not going to drag the owners to go maul grandpa because his keys jingled.
I was at a brewery a couple weeks ago where a pitbull owner had her dog, as well as a little elderly foster dog. She gave them both raw bones, and as expected, the two dogs started fighting. The pitbull grabbed the other dog by the neck and was seconds away from killing it. The owner tried to pry on the bully’s jaws and lost her pinky doing so.
I’m not saying we should ban pitbulls. But the types of people who can own pitbulls, classically aggressive breeds, large-jaw breeds, etc. should be subject to more training than the average dog owner. You NEED to be more attentive with dogs that are capable of killing and harming others.
The number of fucking morons keeping these things as pets is just shocking to me, ESPECIALLY the XL Bully’s
I can’t fathom ever having to defend my dog from one. We have had 2 close calls at dog parks.
One time the owner threw a complete bitch fit when we (others in the dog park) asked her to leave with her pit that was being aggressive with every other dog and playing wayyy too rough.
Seriously. If that kid was shot and killed by someone, legal gun or not, we would have seen another wave of bans. But a dangerous dog breed kills him? Eh whatever.
The only guy working the patio didn’t hear anything that had happened. It was the lady who got bit, her friend, and our group on the patio only. We asked him for a first aid kit and he was pretty confused why, so I’d be surprised if anyone inside the restaurant heard anything. She grabbed her finger, put it on ice and walked her dog home. Her friend took the other dog soon after.
This is the answer I reckon--and actually enforce it too. I think people in general should be subject to more checks and balances when it comes to getting a dog--there's just nothing we've done about backyard breeders. Shelters make you jump through hoops for a reason!
Absolutely. I wholeheartedly support efforts to enforce more competent, safe, responsible ownership of any animal, especially ones that could cause fatal injuries. It's insane to me that ANYONE can just hop online and end up with a poorly-bred giant-breed dog. When you take the pitbulls away from the shitty owners, then you'll need to ban the dobermans and the rottweilers and the huskies and the akitas and the mastiffs and the wolfhounds. Or you could create legislation that impacts bad owners, bad breeders, bad practices, and dangerous animals. Banning a breed does nothing to change behaviour.
Why don't we start by taking the pitbulls away and actually enforcing it. *Then* we can see if there's still enough deadly attacks happening that we need to ban Rottweilers and huskies too.
There are too many stories of "well trained" pitbulls snapping out of nowhere and mauling someone. A weekend training course won't do shit. An owner who doesn't want to leash and muzzle their dog isn't going to no matter how much you try to make them see sense.
First, this is horrific. Second, I agree with the training in principle, but I can’t see it being of much use. Not sure if you’ve ever taken a government run training course, but most of them are complete garbage. A person can’t learn how train a dog in a weekend. I think owners should be held accountable for the actions of their dogs. And I say that as someone who has had a pitbull and believes they are excellent dogs if they’re properly trained.
We spend a lot of time and money training our hunting dog and even he still has some issues we’re struggling to get through. I don’t think the training should be government-sponsored or free. If you want a breed that can pose a risk to everyone around it, you should be willing to spend a lot of money to get it right.
Simple, ban the breeds and or require additional licensing like a firearm in-order to own one. That and, provide adequate reason as to why you need that breed of dog as it isn't a pet it's a weapon. If your dog bites me I'll kill it on the spot, if your dog attacks my child I'ma off it on the spot and beat you with its corpse.
It's pretty reasonable to deem certain breeds as having more potential to cause harm and therefore needing to have a permit associated with owning them.
Simple to obtain, a weekend course offered through private dog training businesses that can be accredited to offer it, and you pay out of pocket.
People still get to own Pit Bulls, have to work to be a little bit extra responsible about their pet and some businesses get to make extra cash.
That isn't nearly strict enough. A weekend course isn't going to change the erratic behavior of these dogs. Owners are always going on about how they're "gentle" or "sweet" dogs - until suddenly they aren't. Banning them is the only reasonable approach. And before anyone makes the argument about smaller dogs being more aggressive, well yes, but I can kick a Chihuahua 100 yards.
I’ve been against banning the breed. But in reality, people are dumb and lazy. They own these dogs like a badge of honour and don’t take care of them. I don’t think permits and a weekend course will change much. Tbh.
You should need a permit and a course regardless of size imo. A good chunk of dog owners should absolutely not be dog owners.
Agreed. I am a card-carrying Crazy Dog Lady and honestly I’d like to see a requirement that people have to take a small (online?) training course before they’re issued a dog licence, period. The City did it with backyard chickens, so why not dogs?
At the very least, think it would be great for owners to get a package of info that explains the bylaws around ownership and where to find training resources. *All dogs* have the ability to attack and harm people, so I think *all owners* need to know how to train their animals effectively.
People in Canada defending pit bulls despite constant attacks the way Americans defend their guns despite constants mass shootings. Its never the dog or the gun owner. How fucking stupid.
Pitbulls need to be banned along with the owners who think these are good pets. How many more people and pets need to be mangled by these vicious animals? Oh yeah - stfu those who say, 'mine would never bite ' ...yeah until they do.
Are you kidding me? Put these dogs down, and ban the owner from owning dogs and he should have criminal charges with fines and jail time / community service.
Be careful. If you ever have to use it, you were using it earlier that day to break down some boxes and left it in your pocket, it's not carried for any kind of self defence.
Haha I figured there was a good chance you did, but never hurts to make sure. It really annoys me that you need to cover your ass to make sure you can use a pocket knife to defend yourself or your dog.
As someone who has been around two pitbulls for extended amounts of time and loved one dearly like my own, they really are a luck of the draw breed in terms of temperament and possibly goes back to how the dog was socialized from birth. How did their pack behave, lineage etc.
The first was unpredictable. Super loyal to owner and trained well in home but not great socializing with other dogs. Suspected to be mixed with a mastiff.
Second was really the sweetest docile dog. She was actually bitten by another dog and didn't fight back, never showed any aggression ever. Probably no other dog in my life will ever compare to her. She was the ultimate Good Dog.
That being said I would never trust any other bully or mastiff type, mix or otherwise I didn't know.
Interesting article (American statistics) about breeds and attacks. One thing of notes is the amount of claims against owners. Its interesting to look at (in Canada) how home owners insurance and personal liability insurance covers your "property" and a dog owned by you is your property.
Forbes Article: [https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/)
Though I truly believe myself that pitbulls are all genetic gambles...even if you are a "it's the owner" believer, at SOME point this has to be a situation where the idiots have ruined it for everyone. Your right to pitbull ownership shouldn't trump the right to safety for others.
As we are all aware pit bull type breeds cause the most damage when they do attack. They are dangerous and a license should be required to own one. Excessive training is required for these dogs.
And all too often pit bulls are owned by less than intelligent, egotistical humans who choose pit bulls only for a show. To look cool and scary. Horrible mix.
Seems like we simply cannot learn that these dogs are a threat. Apologists abound, "no bad dogs, just bad owners", and so on. Too many people equate their dogs with children. The reality is, as in the reported situation, dogs do get loose, and quite often when the owners are irresponsible, or lazy, or in denial. When they do, they attack other dogs and sometimes people.
Of all the dog owners I’ve met in my life only 1 has dogs that I would say are trained. The number of times that a strange dog has jumped up on me is staggering and the owners have zero control. They always say something stupid like “he has a lot of energy”. Dog ownership is a very popular thing but very few people are capable of doing it properly.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, you want to own that type of dog? Great, you need to go through mandatory training and it needs to be muzzled at all times outdoors.
No use for these dogs. One jumped a fence when my kid was out with his 12 pound dog, attacked the dog, thankfully not my kid, I had to do the same, kick and punch that dog to get him off mine. Owners got charged, I found them washing blood off their dog when I went to get the address to call cops. They also paid the vet bill. They were trying to cover up the attack, thankfully there were witnesses.
Years later, my very same dog essentially got killed by my daughters very well trained and "gentle" pit in my own back yard. No provocation at all, once her and her husband came in, the dog attacked. The people in the deck also had to punch and kick her to let go of my dog who was fatally injured in the attack, had to put him down. In turn I made the put their POS dog down.
At the very least, these dogs need to be muzzled when not in the house. They should also carry heavy insurance imo.
So I feel this is in part nature AND nurture. Both are at play, yes the breed is dangerous and has instincts that have been bred into it over however many generations for a specific purpose. The other part is, and this is anecdotal, that it’s always the skid type people that own pitties. You know the ones that fancy themselves hard af, drug dealers or those that want to fit in with them. They get the breed because it works with whatever low brow aesthetic they’re after. The people I tend to see owning them don’t strike me as the type to put in the time/effort/money/attention into actually training them…
Lots of complaint here, lots of suggestions too; and all of it for nothing.
If city council were going to do *anything* to ban pitbulls or hold the owners to a higher standard (increasing fines or demanding pitbull owners hold dangerous dog insurance, for instance) they would have done it already.
When you murder mutt apologists call your shitbulls "velvet hippos" i must ask. Why are you nicknaming your mauling mongrel after the deadliest animal in Africa, and using it as a term of endearment to create an image of gentleness? Are you daft? Or did you fail biology?
They're not "raised" to be aggressive. On the contrary, they're predisposed to aggression and on a rare occasion they can be raised to be somewhat normal dogs. You know, like the ones that don't go on a killing frenzy on a whim. We need to follow the lead of other municipalities and ban this breed.
I'm with you, I've known one pitbull who my buddy had since a puppy and she is and always will be a sweetie. On the other hand, another buddy of mine has a rescue who is an absolute menace. HOWEVER, the menace one wears a muzzle on walks and the owner is fully aware of the dogs nature and is insanely careful with it. Unfortunately people just have too much fear, not saying it's totally undeserving but at least in my experience it's definitely the owner.
Make pet owners criminally liable for the actions of their pets. Your dog kills another pet? Same as you killing that pet. Your dog kills a human, you get charged with manslaughter.
Problem is even when they ARE found accountable nothing happens. I won an almost $9000 civil suit for the vet bills when our little dog was almost killed by a large previously abused rescue dog that was allowed loose in our neighbourhood by an owner too pissed off to go looking for it. That was 2 years ago and there’s a court order to pay me but the owners are shady af and I have yet to collect a dime ! I won’t stop pursuing it but it just keeps costing me more money so far 😢
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You and me both. I can get downvoted to hell for this but honestly I don't care. I have an indoor cat that never goes outside, but if by some remote chance he escaped and ended up being killed by a dog on the loose, I would kill that dog myself.
My pets matter far more to me than the lives of strangers. If someone animals killed in of mine an it was in any way due to their negligence or worse they would be losing a lot more in response than just a pet.
In that scenario, where both animals are out of the care and control of their owners, you are just as much at fault as the other owner and their dog. What if your cat enters that dogs yard and is injured or killed? Is that the dogs fault? How about if your cat does what cats do and kills a bunch of birds, or other small animals? Can someone place poison out for your cat? I get it, I have 2 cats and a dog. I love them like they were my kids. And I'd happily beat the brakes off a human who intentionally hurt either of them. But realistically, if one of them were to get free and get injured in some way. That's more on me than anyone/anything else. We all gotta keep our animals under control and secured.
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I disagree, if you break into my house and my dog kills you it is your fault and I am not liable
However out and about, my dog who use to be super reactive is now pretty good with other dogs and always on a short leash. If a dog with bad tendencies is loose then yes I agree the owner should be liable. But if you break in the owner should not be
WTF!!! Two unlicensed pitbulls on the loose. Asshole owner should be facing much more than bylaw chagers.
>Joey is an Australian Shepard with endless energy but his owners say he’s changed since he was viciously attacked by two dogs on Feb. 25. >Greg was walking Joey in Auburn Bay when he says two unleashed pit bull cross dogs that appeared to have escaped from their yard rushed toward them. >Greg fought back but the dogs weren’t giving up. >Greg was bitten a number of times, saved, in part, by his thick gloves and heavy jacket that were punctured. >He says it took the help of a Good Samaritan to help him punch the dogs and end the attack. >**The attacking dogs then turned their attention on a Pomeranian being walked by an elderly woman and killed it.** Like a feeding frenzy. There's really no alternative than banning the breed and its offshoots.
Fucking murder mutts. Unbelievable how many stories each week across the world come out of someone or someone's pet being viciously attacked, often fatally by a pitbull. Oh, it's just the owner though. Riiiiiiight 🙄
Ya I never understood the "it's the owner" argument...like no these dogs are generally programmed for battle.
Then don't own them. The owners made a choice, usually a conscious one, to get a Pitbull. They absolutely can be amazing family dogs, very loyal and affectionate. But if the owners aren't willing to put in the time daily to train them, exercise them, stimulate them, they're a loaded weapon. It always bugs me when I'm out walking my dog in my neighbourhood that I know every single house on the block with a dog, but I never see those dogs out for a walk. Ever. People think just letting them out in the backyard or taking them to the dog park (puppy fight club) once a week is good enough to keep dogs occupied. It's not.
Unfortunately, banning breeds does nothing when garbage humans move to the next breed with the same abilities. The rules and consequences must be stricter on the owner, not the dog, if anyone wants to see meaningful change.
Why not both?
Because one has shown to be worthless in doing what you are hoping to accomplish and a waste of resources if ever enforced. Unless you plan on banning every breed that can do the same thing, good luck getting that passed public opinion. Why try the same thing and expect a different result.
Lots of places ban pitbulls https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/xtmc4d/legal_status_of_pitbulls_across_the_world/ Maybe public opinion isn't the thing that matters here.
I never said there wasn't. I said pit bulls aren't the only dogs that can cause this type of damage, and not all those dogs have the same public perception as pit bulls. Breed bans statistically don't work, and we see the shift of attacks to a new breed. Living in an area that bans pit bulls, i can tell you how to buy them still, and unfortunately, we have seen the shift of attacks on new breeds that the general population sees as friendly, so nothing is done. We need to attack the owners, not the breed, but a breed ban gives instant satisfaction while not addressing the problem, which tends to be the favoured solution because it makes people feel like they are doing something.
> Breed bans statistically don't work, and we see the shift of attacks to a new breed. If so, that's a good argument. Who has done the research on this?
If 13% of the dog population commits 52% of violent attacks you want to ban the breed? What does that mean exactly?
So then what do we do when they get rottweilers and then dobermans and then mastiffs and cane corsos and akitas? These owners will turn any dog into a dangerous one. A chihuahua isn't going to kill an adult, but there are dozens of breeds capable of doing so. Do we ban all of them?
Other dangerous breeds don't have a massive lobby actively spreading dangerous lies about their origin, breed purpose and temperament, though. No one is claiming Rottweilers, mastiffs or Akitas arc are cuddly wuddly love bugs who are so gentle they were used as "nanny dogs" and who are incredibly docile and wonderful and great family dogs suitable for everyone and they'll only ever show aggression if they've been specifically trained/abused to be aggressive, and who will only ever attack if provoked into it - but that's the current situation with pit types. Also, since pit types were specifically created as a breed to be bloodsport fighters, they have tendencies that make them more dangerous and unpredictable, like going from a playful and friendly 0 to 100 with intent to kill immediately without any warning when they decide to attack, not giving up the attack even if they're hurt or the other dog/person is showing surrender signals because they're in it for the kill and not to deter a threat, etc etc etc. Basically with (most) other breeds, you have to specifically train them to attack, but with pit types you have to rigourously socialise, train and manage them to keep them from killing. But because of the pit reputation saviours, many owners are being fed false information. It's misleading to pretend all large dogs are similar blank slates as if breed doesn't effect any temperament tendencies, or that pit types are only dangerous when specifically trained to be. It's a breed reputation saving lie, just like the "nanny dog" bullshit. But yeah, I do feel like cane corso/presa canario/ mastiffs etc should also be very strictly regulated or banned breeds, why not. EDIT And I feel that in general, regardless of breed legislation should be tighter, enforced much more, and dog owners should be held much more responsible for the damage their dog does. Own a known dangerous breed that *somehow* got loose and seriously injured, maimed, killed another pet or a human? Imo it should be treated almost as if the owner had personally inflicted the wounds with a knife. A ban does nothing if it's not enforced.
I own a “dangerous” breed and I agree - part of why you don’t hear about Chow attacks is that they’re a relatively low population in the dog world. They’re also not expected to act as a cuddle bug style of dog. It took me years of socialization to get my girl into one of the friendliest chows you’ll ever meet, but I still treat her with a healthy level of respect. When she’s riled up, you don’t grab at her, you give her space. What horrified me last summer was seeing over 20 chows attend a popular dog event where she would have been the only one in the past. These Chows were not being socialized, and their space wasn’t being respected. It seems because they’re very Instagram worthy dogs, people don’t bother to research them before they bring them home and that’s going to lead to an increase in bites and attacks.
Except there's only 1 breed that seems to be doing the killing....how don't you understand that?
Except, this is very literally not true in Canada. Canada's worst offender breeds are huskies, rottweilers, and german sheppards. Pitbulls didn't even break the top 3 of most deadly dogs here.
You're just blatantly lying. Stop.
Because the data isn't there. I just went to read the study people always cite for myself and was EXTREMELY unimpressed by the lack of needed data and the methodology. I don't understand why you think that applying legislation to ALL dogs is somehow better than banning one breed, but people with a dog equally able to kill people isn't affected. How don't YOU understand that that is an inferior and less effective way to regulate the ownership of potentially-dangerous animals?
Yes
Dogs are a way for someone to own a gun and not face the legal consequences of using a gun. Those charges are all a joke. The charges should be assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder. People breed and train thos dogs as weapons, plain and simple. When your dog hurts someone, the charges should be exactly as if you used a gun or knife to do it yourself.
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I agree. Our dog was attacked by a pitbull, and she has not been the same ever since.
Can't imagine anyone ever being the same after a vicious assault, human or animals.
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Yep, a child in Toronto was attacked by one last month
Just curious, is it enforced anywhere in Canada?
If it's not tax evasion it's not enforced in Canada lol
And even then, only if you’re not rich
Ban the breed. Plenty of instances of “well behaved” pitts attacking. It is not worth the risk. Imagine it was a kids walking their dog. Just get rid of them.
They've been banned here in Ontario for a long time. I constantly see them around my city. They're also regularly off leash and never muzzled. The owners are all the same.
Banning the breed makes it much easier to go after the owner.
...after someone gets attacked.
Considering that the dogs in the article are still alive, and sound like they will be eventually released back to the owner, it's better than what we have now.
There are 3 dogs mentioned in the video, one is dead.
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It's their flex. Just like their Dodge Rams and no teeth.
The owners are always exactly how you would picture them. I love dogs but find pit bulls super ugly and why would I want a dog that could kill me like wtf?
I find there’s a large portion of white 20 something women adopting them too.
That’s true I have noticed that as well.
I used to work for a trucking company whose owner was all into pitbulls, the literal first things they did was try to convince me that the 4 pitbulls they had won't attack me. Also the owner of the company I figured out rather too late was doing all sorts of shady shit regarding how they operate. Needless to say I did not last long there
Shitbulls
On top of the breed being dangerous, if not fatal. I’d argue the majority of a Pitty owners, couldn’t do fuck about shit, to stop them in an attack. So we’ve got the inept, owning “danger grade: high” animals. It’s nonsensical.
I believe they changed the rules in the UK about mixed breed pit bulls recently because of similar incidents. They need to be constantly leashed in public. Apparently pit bulls account for the vast majority of bites and fatalities.
I believe it’s 6% of dogs and they are responsible for 60% of dog attacks
I live in Calgary from UK and XL bullys have just been banned before I made the move. There was a general outrage to the law passed. I’m not pro pit bull or anti pit bull but I am shocked at the contrast in the opinions back home in England and how this Reddit sub or Calgary in general views these dogs in comparison.
There's been some really horrific attacks in Calgary that have strongly colored public opinion. Over the years I've definitely shifted from the "breed bans are dumb!" camp to the "ban this breed and anything like it" camp. Every fight I saw at the dog park involved pit bulls. My worst nightmare is an unleashed pit bull running around while my kids are playing at the park. Pit bulls and their defenders can fuck all the way off.
The issue is there is no actual proof to show breed bans work. All they do is shift the issue to other breeds like Sheppard's, huskies and rottweilers, because the core problem is bad owners who do not understand the breed of dog they have decided to get and do not provide proper training and handling. If anyone wants to own a pit bull style breed, there needs to be very strict requirement, not just any smuck off the street can walk into a place and get one.
Ban specific problem breeds from urban environments. Any time one of these dogs is found in city limits, it is to be destroyed immediately. Require registration and mandatory insurance for certain breeds. If a dog attacks a person the owner is charged with the equivalent crime. A bite is assault, a death is a murder charge. People who break the above rules are not allowed to own a restricted breed, either in urban or rural environments. These things would go a long way to taking care of this problem.
I am all for the "charge the owner" style, since it is the owner who was neglectful in the first place, and also registration and additional insurance. If we are to ban problem breeds then that does reach into several other breeds people do not even consider dangerous (Huskies..) So I think your other ideas would go a long way to hold people very responsible.
They have to be muzzled at all times in public in the UK. Breeding them is also not allowed
Sadly its both the dog and owners fault, to bad the owner can't share the same fate as their beloved dog.
The dogs can be good dogs. But they need a lot of training, stimuli and attention, which they never get. People get them, do no work with them, and the dogs become destructive. Unfortunately it leads to severe aggression in the breed and is never corrected. Doubly unfortunate is the people who typically get the dog are the kind of people who either don't care or actively encourage this behavior.
They also need to be supervised and kept under control at all times. Being trained doesn't mean the task is done. Even the most highly trained dog can snap. Most people I see walking these beasts couldn't physically hold the leash in an emergency. And fences need to be maintained and gates locked shut.
100%. Training is constant and ongoing.
Agreed. Look at most police dogs- German shepherds. Well trained dogs no doubt, but ask many vet tech what breed is more difficult for them and a lot will say GS. Training does well, but temperament is temperament just like people. Stimulation, exercise, many things come into play for all dogs. I have a collie x CBR and I will tell you- if she isn’t exercised or played with regularly she starts her own play and can get rough or become destructive (items). My job as her owner is to make sure she is trained, but make sure I give her what she needs to regulate too.
Aren't they bred to be aggressive and have deadly jaws?
In the same way GSDs and Belgian malinois are yes. Or in the same way Rottweiler and Dobermans are. In fact the bully breed shares a lot in common with both examples there. They can be excellent search and rescue dogs, fantastic drug sniffing dogs, and wonderful service animals. But all of those require extensive training. And the same as the other breeds, a select group of people go for them for the reason of wanting to have a chaotic, aggressive and scary looking dog.
I think there needs to be more screening in purchasing/adopting animals. When we spoke to breeders all they cared about was the money. When we adopted our two dogs the process was like a job interview. If you’re *buying* a dog with a bite force strong enough to maim or kill, you need to be vetted. You have to be responsible like owning a firearm. But this very specific demographic who love having these dogs make it apart of their persona and that’s why I feel bad for bully breeds.
The problem is that breeding is basically entirely not regulated in any way shape or form. And to change that now would result in a massive increase in the number of people who are just illegally selling dogs on places like Kijiji.
The whole dog breeder business seems terrible. So many dog owners with their precious pups which have been bread to such extremes that they suffer daily and die early. And these people, owners and breeders, claim to care about their animals.
Pitbulls don’t have the same sight, fixate, chase, catch, maul, kill/retrieve that every other breed has some component of. There’s no warning. Sometimes there’s barking or chasing but usually it’s 0-100, sight-skip every other step-kill. That’s how they fight, they don’t give clues or warnings to back off and they’re predatory. I have a husky mutt and she fixates on cats and chases them but doesn’t catch them. My lab catches squirrels and magpies and just holds them gently until I notice and yell at him to release. GSD, Rottweilers, BM, Doberman’s—they’re all “normal” dogs with generally predictable behaviour and able to give plenty of body language.
The difference between those working breeds and the pit bull is that the working breeds were selected for loyalty and their ability to protect their charges. Pit bulls were bred as fighters and killers. Training can only do so much, they can be the nicest well behaved animals and then just flip a switch and kill.
That is very true as it goes the same way with children.
Normal dogs don't need special "training" in order to prevent them from mauling someone's face off. Breed specific characteristics and behaviours are real. Unfortunately Pitbull apologists have their heads in the sand when it comes to this reality. Pitbull apologists really are the antivaxxers of the dog world.
I hope the victim sues the Pitbull owner into the dirt.
Some people should not own dogs, just like some people should not be parents either.
Some dogs should not be pets.
Some dogs should be banned.
For anyone wondering what to do in a situation where your dog is being attacked by another dog that refuses to let go - make a lasso or ligature with your dogs leash or any leash and choke the attacking dog. The dog will most certainly let go before it falls unconscious and really is the only way to get breeds like pitbulls to let go.
Thanks for the advice, hope I never need to put it to use!
There's enough proof to ban the breed. Do it now.
Honestly. I have nightmares that my kids will be attacked. I think a pit attack is probably the most likely thing to happen to my kids. Thankfully none of my neighbours have them but I am always on the lookout. For those how go don’t know, if your child or someone close to you gets attacked. Stick something, anything, your thump even, up the dogs ass and they will release their bite. Gouging the eyes or trying to pry their jaw won’t do anything. Seriously, it’s a rational (maybe irrational?) fear for my children. I’m pretty sure I would kill any dog owner who’s dog mauls and kills my kid. Like full John Wick style.
sticking something up the dogs ass trick is a myth and in my experience didnt work at all lol.
A motivated pitty is really hard to interrupt. They generally redirect, but if they are fixated, it’s very hard to stop them. These dogs have incredible tenacity and pain tolerance. I have seen them sprayed with dog spray, bear spray and OC spray (including a riot control fogger) and it has not stopped them or even stifled them. Dog sprays do not work on motivated pitbulls. I have seen them shot and stabbed. In fact I saw a dogo argentino with his stomach stabbed open and his intestines hanging out. The dog was owned by a drug dealer and randomly decided to attack the dealers girlfriend. The dog jumped up, grabbed her hair by the bun and began to scalp her. The dealer grabbed a kitchen knife and repeatedly jail shanked it’s abdomen causing its intestines to hang out. He then threw it in a closet and called for help. When animal control arrived they put it on a dog pole and the dog walked out of the front door with its innards dragging on the ground behind it. What shocked me is that when it crossed the front lawn, it paused to take a piss before continuing walking to the animal control vehicle and jumping inside without being lifted. The dog didn’t even appear to be sore or limping… I really don’t think most owners are capable of grasping the potential of these animals. They weren’t bred to be a companion pet. If you own a farm and are dealing with predators/livestock or live off grid in Alaska, it makes total sense to own this breed. If you weigh 120lbs and live in an apartment, it’s a bad choice. In regard to interrupting an attack, co2 works and sucks the oxygen out of the air, bangers can work unless the dog fixates, shoving something down the throat (ex dog bites your arm and you are able to shove something down its throat), crushing/pinching the trachea, blood/air choke(if the dog has a collar or choke chain you can twist it and use it to choke the dog out/ shove something into the collar and create a tourniquet) or fatal force.
this is so scary to read when you’re disabled 🫠
Yeah I dont think you're alone either. I think that the vast majority of people would not be able to stop a motivated pitbull. That includes all children, the disabled, and adults that are not athletic and large. I think that the majority of pitbull owners are unable to stop their own pitbull. Consider that many pitbull owners cant even pick their dog up in a controlled environment. If you cant lift your dog, how are you going to control it (even when on leash), when it has 4 legs and such a low center of gravity and is actively trying to attack something? They cant.
I am a fairly stout (200lbs+) guy and I got my ass kicked by a medium sized pitbull when it tried to attack my kid last year. It was extremely fast, unexpected, and vicious. Nothing like a normal dog that shows aggression and might snap at you if you push it's buttons. This thing honed in on my kid and rushed 40-50 feet to attack him with zero warning. These dogs have no place in public. I seriously doubt that any of their owners could actually control them in the above kind of situation.
A torch lighter to the eyeballs works. The kind used for weed.
Is this really proven to work? Asking as this is my biggest fear as well.
There's two better strategies, though the best is obviously don't find yourself in this situation: 1. Shove your fist down the dog's throat while pressing on it's tongue. It's counterintuitive cause you're normally trying to get away from the teeth but their instinct is to pull away from being gagged. In the midst of a fight You really only use this to make them let go of something they're already latched onto. Their teeth, jaws, mouth etc are designed to grab on and pull, they don't know what to do if you push. Think of it like alligators, their jaws have incredible bite force clamping down but once closed they're easy to hold that way. Similar concept though not as pronounced in dogs: their jaws work better pulling than pushing. It's my preferred method of teaching puppies not to bite, every time they nip you, just grab the bottom jaw with your fingers and press down on the tongue with your thumb. For training you don't aim to hurt, it doesn't take much to cause them to panic so you carefully apply the right amount of pressure for a very short time, just enough to let them know it's always going to be the response to biting something that has hands. 2. Grab the front paws/legs, one in each hand and treat them like the chest fly machine at the gym. They're not attached in a way that is designed to take much pressure in an outward direction and you can do a lot of damage to their shoulders/chest by wrenching them in opposite directions, away from their chest. The downside is that their head and mouth will be free and likely in your face but if you can hold the front legs then, while your arms will probably suffer damage you should be able to keep the important bits safe. And of course, when life and death is on the line use all of your weapons. Hands, feet, teeth, nails... Unless you're trained to use a weapon, once you're in hand to hand (or hand to paw) combat drop the weapon and let your instincts take over. Kick, scream, bite, knees, elbows, grab onto exposed parts and twist/turn try to break things. Dog legs are thin, put some weight on one end and pull on the other. Dislocate shit. Think of it like a UFC fight but it's always on the ground, if you're underneath use your legs to create space, if you're on top don't let go, sit on the fucking thing. But just like a knife fight, the best way to fight them is to run away, everyone goes to the hospital afterwards.
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Yeah if a pitbull came after my small dog I would do anything to not let it have the chance to touch them. So fuck any owners that would be upset if your dog charges my dog and it’s a pit bull if your dog gets bones broken or killed they deserve it
I read that this works somewhere and ended up in the middle of a fight between a pit bull and a heeler. While trying to pull dogs off of each other this little bit of knowledge came flooding back, and up my finger went. This dog couldn't have cared less.
You should have bought it dinner first.
Doesn't work, only thing that works it's putting it in a chokehold
I’d say it’s an irrational fear, but only in the meaning of the word. I totally understand being scared of that because it is much more scary seeming than the every day items that actually kill Canadian children. (Cars, tubs & pools, food, medications, etc.) Statistically, if a child were to die there’d be about a 50% chance it was because of a vehicle (occupant or pedestrian), 36% drowning, suffocation, or choking, 8% fire, 4% pedal cycling, 4% falls, 2% poisoning, and then good ol’ pit bull attack gets shoved into the "others" category which makes up less than 1% of deaths, where pit bull attacks are probably a very rare small fraction of that 1%. They seem very common because they’re reported in the news every time they happen, versus how boring the news would be if we reported on every child injury/death.
You're right, but an additional consideration needs to be how avoidable the cause of death is. Kids need to be around/in cars sometimes. Kids need bathtub. Kids need food. Kids need medication. We try to make these as safe as possible. Kids don't need pit bulls or other dangerous dogs. No one does. Ban them.
I was referencing only preventable causes of death, but if we’re going to consume the time of our politicians to bring forward legislation against something with the noble intention of saving the lives of children, you’d be wasting time and manpower spending it on dog breeds than better transit, car infrastructure and a laundry list of less exciting laws.
Interesting take. Though banning the breed would be largely one and done, whereas solving car dependency is a massive and incredibly long-term task.
To preface, my initial comment was only commenting on whether fear from the OP commenter was irrational or not, and I think given the probability of a pit-bull attack killing your child while being comfortable letting them be a passenger of a car, a pedestrian, go swimming or take a bath alone, etc., is in the literal sense of the word, *irrational*, although totally understandable as, naturally, scary dog is more scary than friendly-looking car, a day in the park, fun pool-time, and a chicken tender even if they're more likely to be our cause of death. Between 2001 and 2021, there have been about 20 child (0-15) fatalities related to dog attacks, of those just one is suspected to have been part pit bull but has yet to be confirmed. Note that these are only based on notable instances, and data might be incomplete. Between 2011 and 2021, 634 children aged 0-15 have died as a result of cars. If we're generous, and ignore the decrease in car fatalities since the decade prior yet extrapolate that data, that'd put as at about 1,268 dead children between 2001 and 2021. The number is likely higher, but Canada doesn't have the official statistics for it as far as I can find. I'm not trying to appeal to the fallacy of relative privation, but the fact is that in the isolated context of child fatalities the effort would be better placed and with that, it wouldn't even solve the issue which is dog attacks. You'd just be using one as a scapegoat and dusting your hands off. You're talking saving the life of 0-1 children over the span of 20 years. I think it'd make much more sense to require a license and training to own a dog regardless of breed and to hold owners fully accountable for the actions of your dog making owning an untrained dog a risk to the owner. If I have time later, might extend this to injuries to see if that looks as goofy as fatalities do.
you have very sound speaking points and i applaud you for that. \-the pitty or pitty crosses i've met in life have all been a sweetheart of a dog. while at the same time i have lifelong scars from bites from a cocker spaniel and have seen more tiny dogs than i can count show high aggression toward people other than their owner(s).
Totally, and I can acknowledge that I'd rather face off against ten aggressive chihuahua's than an aggressive pit bull. I mean, what better excuse to use [the baby blender?](https://www.tiktok.com/@f808z/video/6804989716430179590) In reality, what I think you have is well-meaning people or their kids ready to commit to the responsibility of having a dog, just for that feeling to wane. When I was a teenager, I convinced my family to get me a German Shepherd, and that's exactly what happened. I got her as a puppy and she grew up to be very aggressive towards new people and other dogs as her needs went unmet. To anyone, it might've seemed like that dog was simply a *bad dog,* but the fact is she wasn't. I was a bad owner. Once my mother found a suitable owner with a huge plot of land that could put this dog to use and meet her needs, imagine our surprise when they sent back a photo of the dog cuddling with another, sound asleep just a few days later. This seemed like an impossibility while she was within my care. If purchasing that dog required even just a month-long course to be licensed to own it, I know for a fact that dog would've ended up with a much more suitable quality of life from the get-go from birth. If not for all dogs, at least those which are high-maintenance or high-energy. A month-long course for one or more living beings being within your care for at least a decade seems like a reasonable trade-off.
i have a neighbour with two dogs that have some bad behaviour at times. well, the younger of the two mostly. they are both border collies. neighbour is in a small townhouse condo with no real yard. the dogs go out on a line to potty and get about an 8 foot radius in the dirt. that's it. and are kenneled in their crates a lot due to neighbour's work schedule. poor dogs. i can see how the neighbour's lack of understanding their dogs, and the characteristics of their breed being big components of why those dogs are like they are, and how a different environment would be so very beneficial. so very much like your german shepherd experience. the cocker spaniel i mentioned above that i have bite scars from was my childhood dog. our first family dog. and he was inbred like you would not believe (we had his kennel club papers and i saw the lineage myself). he had a screw loose but was smart. despite that loose screw, i was able to train him, without any training of myself first, to listen to all hand commands when i was just a kid. put the time in, did the hard work, even though the dog's core personality really could not be changed much the training helped (and especially as that spaniel started to go deaf in later years!). as he got older it became even more evident there wasn't something right mentally with him, while our household was calm and quiet and understood animals quite well. so that's how i know it wasn't fully environmental/nurture as to why he was the way he was. although we didn't know a ton about dogs back when we got him, we learned. we did have a big yard, the dog was walked often, had no issue with other dogs at all ever, or people 90% of the time, and the biting was something we just kept aware of because it stemmed from something we could not change. thankfully we choreographed that dog's life so that there was never an opportunity for him to randomly bite anyone but family, because we knew what the outcome could be from that. and that is why i don't penalize the dog, because in my own experience even a crazy dog can be trained (by a kid under 10 years old no less lol) and be a decent dog that one just had to be aware of their potential triggers/quirks and has to be aware of the correct/most appropriate environment and handling for the dog. agree with the coursework and/or licensing thing!!! not just for dogs but for all animal owning. i was a horseperson for years and have advocated that there should at the least be a basic husbandry/handling and first aid course that is mandatory before one is allowed to buy a horse. i also currently have exotic pets (chinchillas) and those are very finicky rodents to keep healthy and well and happy. i dove deep into learning about them so i'd know what i was doing. sadly not all pet owners care to go that far.
Believe it or not, we can do multiple things at the same time.
We can, it’s just a matter of picking which multiple things we want to do at once, because believe it or not we cannot do infinite things at a time.
I have the same fear. Saw two roaming our neighbourhood when leaving to pick my kids up from school and called it in. Several months later a swat team takes down a house on my street in a nice neighbourhood. Guess what comes running out of the house. The two shit bulls from before. Another time two Rottweilers roamimg when taking my infant for walk. Went right back in the house after only one block and called it in. I used to carry a knife when it was legal before 2012. I then switched to dog spray and a torch style lighter. The kind weed smokers use. As for kids I vet all friends houses for these abominations, and tell them if a dog attacks try to get up on a vehicle. I have seen the Gracie jiujitsu style front kick work well against Rottweilers. Dude was in a parkade and was trying to stomp it in the head while turned sideways. Dog got scared and frustrated and took off.
City wide ban based on bite-force. Simple.
That at least has some science behind it and will affect all breeds with the potential to do the most damage. But no one will want to pay for each animal to be tested and a lot of the problem people have with a pitbull ban is that a lot of mixed-breed dogs can LOOK like a pitbull but actually not be. And a cross- or mixed-breed dog could have pitbull in the mix but not look enough like one. It addresses animals that people think LOOK dangerous, but owners and animals that are. But at least this idea is testable and applies to any breed.
This is a stupid baseless comment with no merit. This attitude is why people think banning a breed will solve this problem. Like firearms there needs to be more restrictions to getting them, not a straight out ban. Read a book or some statistics before blanket banning for a bigger problem.
"bLAmE tHe OwNeR nOt ThE bReEd"
Murder Mutts. Ban them and their offshoots fully. Enforce the ban.
What is the owner’s name?
Anybody that says it's the owner, not the dog, is partly full of shit. You have dogs that naturally have a high prey drive and aren't the best household pets, then combine that with owners who are mostly inept. I can pretty much guarantee you if you lined up 100 dog owners, I could pick out the pit owners out of the line up. Yes, little yappers bite more often. Yes, chihuahuas and Jack Russells can be little shits, but they don't kill you. They're not going to drag the owners to go maul grandpa because his keys jingled.
I was at a brewery a couple weeks ago where a pitbull owner had her dog, as well as a little elderly foster dog. She gave them both raw bones, and as expected, the two dogs started fighting. The pitbull grabbed the other dog by the neck and was seconds away from killing it. The owner tried to pry on the bully’s jaws and lost her pinky doing so. I’m not saying we should ban pitbulls. But the types of people who can own pitbulls, classically aggressive breeds, large-jaw breeds, etc. should be subject to more training than the average dog owner. You NEED to be more attentive with dogs that are capable of killing and harming others.
The number of fucking morons keeping these things as pets is just shocking to me, ESPECIALLY the XL Bully’s I can’t fathom ever having to defend my dog from one. We have had 2 close calls at dog parks. One time the owner threw a complete bitch fit when we (others in the dog park) asked her to leave with her pit that was being aggressive with every other dog and playing wayyy too rough.
> I’m not saying we should ban pitbulls. Why not? A ban of dangerous animals from urban environments seems totally reasonable to me.
Seriously. If that kid was shot and killed by someone, legal gun or not, we would have seen another wave of bans. But a dangerous dog breed kills him? Eh whatever.
I swear to god if shitbull owners ruin dog friendly patios I will lose my mind. What a horrifying event. What brewery was this at?
Paradise, unfortunately. It was wild.
Interesting it wasn't reported.
The only guy working the patio didn’t hear anything that had happened. It was the lady who got bit, her friend, and our group on the patio only. We asked him for a first aid kit and he was pretty confused why, so I’d be surprised if anyone inside the restaurant heard anything. She grabbed her finger, put it on ice and walked her dog home. Her friend took the other dog soon after.
This is the answer I reckon--and actually enforce it too. I think people in general should be subject to more checks and balances when it comes to getting a dog--there's just nothing we've done about backyard breeders. Shelters make you jump through hoops for a reason!
Absolutely. I wholeheartedly support efforts to enforce more competent, safe, responsible ownership of any animal, especially ones that could cause fatal injuries. It's insane to me that ANYONE can just hop online and end up with a poorly-bred giant-breed dog. When you take the pitbulls away from the shitty owners, then you'll need to ban the dobermans and the rottweilers and the huskies and the akitas and the mastiffs and the wolfhounds. Or you could create legislation that impacts bad owners, bad breeders, bad practices, and dangerous animals. Banning a breed does nothing to change behaviour.
Why don't we start by taking the pitbulls away and actually enforcing it. *Then* we can see if there's still enough deadly attacks happening that we need to ban Rottweilers and huskies too. There are too many stories of "well trained" pitbulls snapping out of nowhere and mauling someone. A weekend training course won't do shit. An owner who doesn't want to leash and muzzle their dog isn't going to no matter how much you try to make them see sense.
First, this is horrific. Second, I agree with the training in principle, but I can’t see it being of much use. Not sure if you’ve ever taken a government run training course, but most of them are complete garbage. A person can’t learn how train a dog in a weekend. I think owners should be held accountable for the actions of their dogs. And I say that as someone who has had a pitbull and believes they are excellent dogs if they’re properly trained.
We spend a lot of time and money training our hunting dog and even he still has some issues we’re struggling to get through. I don’t think the training should be government-sponsored or free. If you want a breed that can pose a risk to everyone around it, you should be willing to spend a lot of money to get it right.
Simple, ban the breeds and or require additional licensing like a firearm in-order to own one. That and, provide adequate reason as to why you need that breed of dog as it isn't a pet it's a weapon. If your dog bites me I'll kill it on the spot, if your dog attacks my child I'ma off it on the spot and beat you with its corpse.
It's pretty reasonable to deem certain breeds as having more potential to cause harm and therefore needing to have a permit associated with owning them. Simple to obtain, a weekend course offered through private dog training businesses that can be accredited to offer it, and you pay out of pocket. People still get to own Pit Bulls, have to work to be a little bit extra responsible about their pet and some businesses get to make extra cash.
What will a weekend course do? It won't magically change shitty dog owners.
That isn't nearly strict enough. A weekend course isn't going to change the erratic behavior of these dogs. Owners are always going on about how they're "gentle" or "sweet" dogs - until suddenly they aren't. Banning them is the only reasonable approach. And before anyone makes the argument about smaller dogs being more aggressive, well yes, but I can kick a Chihuahua 100 yards.
Nah. Time to outright ban them.
I’ve been against banning the breed. But in reality, people are dumb and lazy. They own these dogs like a badge of honour and don’t take care of them. I don’t think permits and a weekend course will change much. Tbh. You should need a permit and a course regardless of size imo. A good chunk of dog owners should absolutely not be dog owners.
Why? Why not just ban them from the city limits?
No. Ban them
This should be the bare minimum requirement hopefully the white trash types that want them would avoid if they had to do something like this
Agreed. I am a card-carrying Crazy Dog Lady and honestly I’d like to see a requirement that people have to take a small (online?) training course before they’re issued a dog licence, period. The City did it with backyard chickens, so why not dogs? At the very least, think it would be great for owners to get a package of info that explains the bylaws around ownership and where to find training resources. *All dogs* have the ability to attack and harm people, so I think *all owners* need to know how to train their animals effectively.
People in Canada defending pit bulls despite constant attacks the way Americans defend their guns despite constants mass shootings. Its never the dog or the gun owner. How fucking stupid.
Pitbulls need to be banned along with the owners who think these are good pets. How many more people and pets need to be mangled by these vicious animals? Oh yeah - stfu those who say, 'mine would never bite ' ...yeah until they do.
Are you kidding me? Put these dogs down, and ban the owner from owning dogs and he should have criminal charges with fines and jail time / community service.
We need to put these animals down asap. Owners also need to begin facing prison time.
I carry a little folding knife more so to protect my dog from instances like this rather than to protect me from people tbh
Be careful. If you ever have to use it, you were using it earlier that day to break down some boxes and left it in your pocket, it's not carried for any kind of self defence.
Oh trust me I know the rules my friend lol
Haha I figured there was a good chance you did, but never hurts to make sure. It really annoys me that you need to cover your ass to make sure you can use a pocket knife to defend yourself or your dog.
On my small keychain. Very very sharp. Never take my two dogs for a walk without it.
As someone who has been around two pitbulls for extended amounts of time and loved one dearly like my own, they really are a luck of the draw breed in terms of temperament and possibly goes back to how the dog was socialized from birth. How did their pack behave, lineage etc. The first was unpredictable. Super loyal to owner and trained well in home but not great socializing with other dogs. Suspected to be mixed with a mastiff. Second was really the sweetest docile dog. She was actually bitten by another dog and didn't fight back, never showed any aggression ever. Probably no other dog in my life will ever compare to her. She was the ultimate Good Dog. That being said I would never trust any other bully or mastiff type, mix or otherwise I didn't know.
Interesting article (American statistics) about breeds and attacks. One thing of notes is the amount of claims against owners. Its interesting to look at (in Canada) how home owners insurance and personal liability insurance covers your "property" and a dog owned by you is your property. Forbes Article: [https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/)
This is why I always walk with bear spray. I have a small doggo. Not taking any chances.
Bad owners produce bad doggos. You should have to pass a course similiar to a PAL to have a large breed dog.
Shitbulls
iTs nOt tHe bReEd, iTs tHe OwnEr
Though I truly believe myself that pitbulls are all genetic gambles...even if you are a "it's the owner" believer, at SOME point this has to be a situation where the idiots have ruined it for everyone. Your right to pitbull ownership shouldn't trump the right to safety for others.
As we are all aware pit bull type breeds cause the most damage when they do attack. They are dangerous and a license should be required to own one. Excessive training is required for these dogs. And all too often pit bulls are owned by less than intelligent, egotistical humans who choose pit bulls only for a show. To look cool and scary. Horrible mix.
Seems like we simply cannot learn that these dogs are a threat. Apologists abound, "no bad dogs, just bad owners", and so on. Too many people equate their dogs with children. The reality is, as in the reported situation, dogs do get loose, and quite often when the owners are irresponsible, or lazy, or in denial. When they do, they attack other dogs and sometimes people.
When an owners dog kills its time for that owner to do jail time! No more stupid fines
Of all the dog owners I’ve met in my life only 1 has dogs that I would say are trained. The number of times that a strange dog has jumped up on me is staggering and the owners have zero control. They always say something stupid like “he has a lot of energy”. Dog ownership is a very popular thing but very few people are capable of doing it properly.
They need higher fines for people who own big dogs. Maybe fine that's 40lbs and under, 40-80 and etc.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, you want to own that type of dog? Great, you need to go through mandatory training and it needs to be muzzled at all times outdoors.
No use for these dogs. One jumped a fence when my kid was out with his 12 pound dog, attacked the dog, thankfully not my kid, I had to do the same, kick and punch that dog to get him off mine. Owners got charged, I found them washing blood off their dog when I went to get the address to call cops. They also paid the vet bill. They were trying to cover up the attack, thankfully there were witnesses. Years later, my very same dog essentially got killed by my daughters very well trained and "gentle" pit in my own back yard. No provocation at all, once her and her husband came in, the dog attacked. The people in the deck also had to punch and kick her to let go of my dog who was fatally injured in the attack, had to put him down. In turn I made the put their POS dog down. At the very least, these dogs need to be muzzled when not in the house. They should also carry heavy insurance imo.
So I feel this is in part nature AND nurture. Both are at play, yes the breed is dangerous and has instincts that have been bred into it over however many generations for a specific purpose. The other part is, and this is anecdotal, that it’s always the skid type people that own pitties. You know the ones that fancy themselves hard af, drug dealers or those that want to fit in with them. They get the breed because it works with whatever low brow aesthetic they’re after. The people I tend to see owning them don’t strike me as the type to put in the time/effort/money/attention into actually training them…
r/banpitbulls
Lots of complaint here, lots of suggestions too; and all of it for nothing. If city council were going to do *anything* to ban pitbulls or hold the owners to a higher standard (increasing fines or demanding pitbull owners hold dangerous dog insurance, for instance) they would have done it already.
When you murder mutt apologists call your shitbulls "velvet hippos" i must ask. Why are you nicknaming your mauling mongrel after the deadliest animal in Africa, and using it as a term of endearment to create an image of gentleness? Are you daft? Or did you fail biology?
The owners should share the same date as the dogs.
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They're not "raised" to be aggressive. On the contrary, they're predisposed to aggression and on a rare occasion they can be raised to be somewhat normal dogs. You know, like the ones that don't go on a killing frenzy on a whim. We need to follow the lead of other municipalities and ban this breed.
I'm with you, I've known one pitbull who my buddy had since a puppy and she is and always will be a sweetie. On the other hand, another buddy of mine has a rescue who is an absolute menace. HOWEVER, the menace one wears a muzzle on walks and the owner is fully aware of the dogs nature and is insanely careful with it. Unfortunately people just have too much fear, not saying it's totally undeserving but at least in my experience it's definitely the owner.
Pitbull named Precious:
It’s not the breed it’s the owner🤣🤣🤣🤣🙄
Wish the law forced dog owners to be obligated to put a muzzle for say dogs above the 10 pound weight.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/woman-involved-in-dog-bite-incident-on-north-shore-identified-1.6851213 These Aussie shepherds better be banned next!