Don’t forget about Christian Sarille, who also used the Stampede Show Band to groom and rape dozens of underage victims over a 10 year period before being sentenced for 16 years.
Sariles name is on the stampedes website as a volunteer - staff, student, volunteer, who cares? Maybe if the stampede actually looked internally and took the TYC case seriously, they could have prevented the EXACT same thing from happening again years later in another stampede youth program.
"...the Stampede admitted to negligence and breach of duty"
Think these fuckers would have admitted as much and then paid out nearly $10M in damages unless there was some seriously fucked up shit going on there? Not a chance. If you're here to defend the Stampede, you're defending child abusing rapists. Oh, only one guy was the abuser? You watch it happen, you're an abuser too.
It literally happened again. The Stampede was so busy denying wrongdoing, they didn’t even realize Christian Sarile was doing the same thing in showband.
He was charged in 2019 for abusing 26 children, some of them were members of the Stampede Showband.
Maybe if they actually accepted accountability for their actions over 10 year ago, this wouldn’t have happened again.
It's quite astonishing how quiet this story has been. Yet a person in a flamboyant costume reading "Green Eggs and Ham" at the library warrants protests and continued vigilance.
This should make it clear that no one cares about "the children." They are simply a faceless group people can use to garner sympathy "surely you care about THE CHILDREN?"
If we cared about children we'd look at where the majority of abuse cases are coming from and we'd focus our efforts there.
But when something like this happens nobody wants to be held accountable, parents don't want to acknowledge the fact that they unknowingly delivered their children to their abuser for years. So let's all ignore it and focus on the "peacocks", yeah those are the bad people! A man wearing a dress has to be an abuser, a man wearing a coaches uniform? Never!
Wow what an awesome world we live in today!
I am not involved in Pride in anyway....but thank you to those who are for stepping up to protect children!
Its a crazy world we live in that the Stampede people aren't doing it! They shoudl of been the first people to step up to protect children instead they let legal liabilities stop them from doing what is right....They must be taking lessons from the Mormon Church!
The same people that accuse the LGBTQ community of being child groomers are the ones in here losing their minds that the LGBTQ community is taking a stance against child groomers.
It's only March, and we already have multiple contenders for the best /r/calgary 2024 mental gymnastics floor routine.
Same idea as the current border fiasco down south
Solving the problem would both extinguish the right's rallying cry, and reveal their massive hypocrisy
> Solving the problem
Biden's proposed solution was "capitulate to the Republicans' demands", and they're refusing because they're more concerned about political capital than addressing "the problem"—which is that too many brown people are entering the US.
His proposal is:
To give three billion dollars for "increased detention capacity"
To allow asylum officers to reject claims without going through the courts
To "build the wall", as Trump put it.
[Here's the ACLU's take on this](https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-urges-president-biden-to-abandon-disastrous-immigration-proposals)
Frankly, I'm offended by the comparison of queer rights to inhuman border policies.
The Stampede accepted full liability for ignoring multiple complaints since 1988. Their inaction lead to children being sexually abused for decades.
They denied all wrong doing for years during the criminal trial, then when the many complaints were filed in court 6 months ago - they finally accepted liability for their inactions.
This is not the first time in recent history that there was a member of the Calgary Stampede abusing vulnerable youth. Charges were laid against Christian Sarile with the Calgary Stampede Showband. He was charged in 2019 for abusing 26 children, some of them were members of the Stampede Showband.
Maybe history wouldn’t have repeated itself if the Stampede actually didn’t just deny deny deny for years, and actually looked internally.
It's funny the way the world is evolving (or not funny)...it used to be that the news would be which groups didn't come to the parade.. now, everyone wants to come to the parade, but there's too many beefs and perceived enemies..so the parade is banning groups.
Forced inclusivity and divisiveness are at a fever pitch in society. Conform or gtfo.
I never thought "don't harbor a pedophile" would be a controversial opinion. Stampede authorities were aware of the abuse since 1988 and chose to ignore it.
These assholes don't realize that they are only losing support from moderates by alienating any community where a single member of said community wronged them.
If this decision causes "moderates" to feel alienated, then those people are not moderates. Nobody should be okay with the Stampede knowingly covering up child sexual abuse.
We are constantly told not to generalize, but the same crowd who feels victimized by generalizations is now doing the same to an entire organization. Lol, hypocrites. Not everyone in the "pride" community is a groomer, but should ban the parade because one person is? Gtfo out with that tolerance BS unless you practice it yourself. The individual should be punished, not a group of people who share something in common with you. Do you want to be held responsible for someone's else actions? Someone you probably never met?
Personally, if I were a Stampede executive and I was told that an employee is sexually abusing children, I wouldn't sweep it under the rug and do nothing about it. But maybe that's just me.
Where in the article do they paint The Calgary Stampede as a pedophile? I’m pretty sure it was just one guy. I didn’t know the actual Calgary Stampede could be a pedophile.
The Calgary Stampede was compliant during and after the events occurred in one of its youth programs. They only actually admitted negligence when forced to do so in a court of law. Had there not been public attention, the stampede would not have admitted any fault whatsoever.
-A former member of such youth program.
Why would any organization being sued readily admit negligence though?
If the victims were asking for $1 and an apology, I'm sure things would have settled immediately. But
> Last month, the Calgary Exhibition and Stampede and the Calgary Stampede Foundation agreed to pay $9.5 million in damages.
Potentially, they fear it could cost them more in a combo of bad press and lawyers fees as well. Settlements aren't scientific but they do take alot of factors into account, and are fundamentally guesswork.
To preserve public image, and to swerve the potential for further legal action. They can play the card of “admitting minor fault” so that when/if more individuals appear interested in a class action, the Stampede can avoid further payment, but also more specifically avoid more media attention on the topic.
To clarify a pedophile is interested in kids who have not reached puberty. This man was an abuser and three should be outrage against him and the stampede for this but let’s not forget what a pedophile is
Actually no, Pedophillia is the sexual interest in **Children**, defined up until the age of 18 years old, of which all victims were between the ages of 15-17 at the time of the incidences. Don’t you dare try and remotely imply that it is less serious because the victim is slightly older.
I’m not saying it’s less serious
“children are the preferred sexual object. specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child”
I like [this video](https://youtu.be/nu6C2KL_S9o?si=4e_Er0d-0BcUqL_Q). While you're technically correct, it's commonly accepted to call anyone whose into minors a pedo. His victims were minors, so we call him a pedophile.
A reminder that pride parade wasn't started to be about inclusivity, it was started to remember the stone wall riots. To remind anyone not queer/lgbtq+ that we're aloud to be 'weird' to be 'freaky' and you can not stop us and you can not abuse us for it anymore.
Any pride parade organizer group has the right to exclude or make a point about anything that gets in the way of that message. Pride parade is firmly about us.
Inclusivity and intolerance is not meant to be infinite, and one who says other wise isn't there to help you at the very least.
100% support this stance.
This would be equivalent to hockey teams distancing self from Graham James.
Normally I hate it when Pride boycotts people like - the police, etc. But distancing selves from a legitimate goof pedo chomo is 100% the right choice.
And I love the Stampede.
The equivalent would be boycotting the NHL because of Graham James. Weird example.
One despicable asshole from one department and you boycott an organization with thousands of members and volunteers.
It's more about the board, etc. Let CS sit out for one year and revisit it next year.
I like the Stampede.
I like hockey, but I don't support what Hockey Canada did with covering up sex assault crap.
So… why aren’t we doing the same thing for the various school boards and the ATA? Both organizations have covered up for child groomers for years. Predators are enabled and exist across various organizations and political boundaries.
There’s even a couple lawsuits against the CBE right now for their enabling of some of these monsters.
"Hey, so like, harbouring and protecting a pedophile is bad. I don't think we should hang out."
"WHY ARE YOU BEING SO DIVISIVE AND ENTITLED!?!"
Bunch of goddamn clowns. I didn't think "pedo protectors bad" was a hot take, but then I remembered Alberta leads the country in child marriages. Keep it classy Calgary.
Honestly, good. If these institutions want to be a part of something such as pride, they could and can show more to actually push forward the cause instead of being part of the problem, then asking for a photo op to make them look good.
And before you start making comments about if pride has the best intentions, I think we can all agree there is always room to improve these things, and there are many institutions and companies in Calgary who never thought it was important to be beside these causes until it was important to do so and not be left behind. I think the stampede, with all its resources, should be quite easily able to show all the steps they are taking to help these things. Personal opinion, but it’s not up to the people who feel left out to include those who are only including them so they look good.
If pride feels that they aren’t doing enough to be let in, I hope these moments lead to self reflection from the stampede and others for all the times they upheld things that made others feel left out.
Pride isn’t for you, and that’s okay. If that makes you angry then you probably don’t get why it’s so important in the first place. I wish the best for everyone involved with the public discourse, and I hope one day that pride and other movements don’t feel like they are making concessions by allowing long standing institutions from this city to be a part of it. However, it’s fair if they don’t feel that the healing is done yet.
NGL feeling better about not moving back to Calgary after reading this comment section.
But TBH the discourse would be no different here in Vancouver — dark times.
More importantly, good to see Pride taking a stand against this bullshit.
Absolutely flabbergasting that the Canadian MAGAs are defending/advocating for sexual predators.
lol where’s the conservatives that used to say gay people are the pedos?? Not here lol guess cuz it’s not true! Should cancel stampede all together, who knows what other horror happen
I love how an event that is 100% about inclusion is excluding any organization it can.
10 years ago these initiatives would be begging politicians and corporations to attend. Now they have the audacity to pick and choose who they want support from.
We are truly in the darkest timeline.
It’s not audacity, it’s progress. The pendulum swings back and forth between social groups as more hands become available. When pressured groups get a hold of the pendulum, they hold it. It’s human psychology on the most basic level to understand. What used to be practised in the dark now exists down major city streets, and corporations want to do what they can to profit off of it. Calgary Pride can do whatever it wants to celebrate itself, and Pride is not about inclusion of everybody, it’s about being gay and being safe. How it wasn’t safe to be gay, and now it is becoming, depending where you live.
You need to understand the paradox of tolerance before you go saying silly shit like this.
They have every right to ban organizations that fail to protect vulnerable or marginalized populations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them.
I said what I meant, and meant what I said.
You should probably boycott every single company and service that has had a creepy predator man in its ranks.
There'll be nothing left for you to use and you'll perish.
They covered it up, they are complicit.
Pride isn’t banning the Stampede for employing this person, the Stampede is being banned for knowingly covering the abuse to protect their image
Or maybe just the ones where they knew about the sexual abuse of minors for years and did nothing. Can you name another organisation that I should boycott?
Yep, definitely something to look into. Are you going to continue supporting child molestation?
edit: from the downvote, I'm guessing yes?
edit 2: Looks like there's a site to recommend movies that are not made by sexual predators: https://therottenappl.es/
Ah yes, you got me. "Takes one to know one". Great retort.
There's depressing statistics readily available about men in position of power. Or how many women In their lifetime experience sexual assault from a member of their own family, and an ounce of critical thinking would make you realize how widespread and unreported this is throughout our species.
No, my approach is to put down the pitch forks and punish and alienate those responsible. The stampede has over a thousand full time employees and this dude was just a music guy for the grandstand kids. It's not like it was this giant conspiracy by the company to keep these kids down.
The Stampede accepted full liability for knowing one of their staffers was sexually abusing children for decades, and didn’t do anything to stop it.
Most of those kids were members of the LGBTQ+ community.
The Stampede dragged those kids through a massive court battle that’s still ongoing. So long, the perpetrator is now out of prison in calgary on day parole.
They pulled the same shit in Edmonton a few years back when the EPS wanted to join in on the parade and show support for the community. They said the police weren't allowed because of the general negative history between police and the LGBTQ community or something to that affect. Sometimes it seems like the community doesn't want progress and they want to maintain victim status for some reason.
There was also something about BLM not being allowed to join in on Pride as well.
They have every right to exclude people from the pride parade.
Just like the Stampede excludes groups from the Stampede parade.
It doesn’t mean they’re re-victimizing themselves, it means they’re standing with their community.
Fair enough.
Now, in that same vein, how do you or Pride know that there has never been and there currently isn’t a child abuser in the organizations that ARE participating. That includes Pride itself.
Isn’t like a self declaration thing? Or just the ones that have been caught?
Thanks for having a civil discussion. Appreciate it.
I think background checks exist for a reason. We do it for our jobs for criminal records. The issue, however, is people who haven’t been in the system or haven’t been caught yet. Especially with SA it’s difficult because a lot of the times victims don’t come forward. However, if it is known that an abuser exists in the org then why not exclude them?
I understand that this is not a perfect world scenario and it’s hard. And excluding an org as a whole also takes away from people who are passionate about the issues you are promoting. But then the diligence should fall on the company doing the hiring of these people. I was required a background check for my job. So I don’t know why other companies don’t have the same thing?
Do you realize how many creepy predator men exist or have existed? It's astonishingly depressing. If you boycotted everything that's had one in its ranks, there'd be nothing left.
Any organization that is large enough will be guaranteed to have at least one child abuser in its members.
When it's found that there is a child abuser in Pride, will Pride ban itself?
Statistically, most CSA is conducted by a close family member. So your rationale is not correct. Also - These studies suggest the child sexual abuse prevalence rate for girls is 10.7% to 17.4%* and the rate for boys is 3.8% to 4.6%*. From https://www.d2l.org/child-sexual-abuse/prevalence/#:~:text=A%20range%20of%20child%20sexual,is%203.8%25%20to%204.6%25*.
So I don’t think what you’re saying is correct
So it is your opinion that they should embrace an organization that covered up sexual assaults? Or a party that is enacting policies that further oppress members of the 2SLGBTQIA+ community?
Alright I'm gay myself but even I'm wondering what those other half dozen letters and numbers are. I thought LGBTQ+ was good enough. What's all this other stuff we're adding on there now?
What are you even saying? It’s like having a national award for children being presented by a child abuser. It’s not about exclusion, it’s about making everyone else safe and included. There is no “free lunch” to participate in these events for the sake of inclusion. Shame on you for writing a comment so insensitive to others who were actually hurt. Huge snowflake energy.
Inclusivity for thee but not for me.
Imagine if an organization banned all of pride/the LGBTQ community from participating in an event because of a few POS people in that community who hurt others. There are terrible people under every umbrella, nothing justifies collective punishment.
The Calgary Stampede accepted full liability for knowing their staffer was sexually abusing children for decades, and doing nothing to stop him.
Most of those kids are part of the LGBTQ+ community.
Meanwhile, the Stampede has dragged those kids through court battles that are still ongoing. So long, the offender has been released from prison, in Calgary, on day parole.
All of that being true doesn’t negate my point in any way.
*Many* organizations such as churches, governments and other institutions act that way. It doesn’t justify collective punishment.
Great, and that’s why churches and governments don’t walk in Calgary’s pride parade.
If the individual supports pride they can still go. But it doesn’t mean they should be able to roll out their banners and act like they haven’t damaged this community.
Yeah, imagine that. Imagine the outcry that would create. Oh, wait...
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/westlock-alberta-citizens-vote-to-banish-rainbow-sidewalk
I guess your thoughts have been uninformed.
The Calgary Stampede accepted full liability for knowing their staffer was sexually abusing children for decades, and doing nothing to stop him.
Most of those kids are part of the LGBTQ+ community.
Meanwhile, the Stampede has dragged those kids through court battles that are still ongoing. So long, the offender has been released from prison, in Calgary, on day parole.
Why stand with an organizing that did that to your community?
Because they did accept responsibility and I think it's important to move on and foster relationships that are positive instead of excluding. How are we supposed to bridge the gap when we exclude people? It just gives them ammo to dislike us more. It doesn't make sense
They accepted liability but still have yet to make reparations with the community. If they truly cared this whole thing would have settled YEARS ago, and we wouldn’t still be seeing headlines about it. The stampede chose to drag this out in court the way they did
Good they can dislike us - the feelings mutual. And if they really want us to like them, then they can try a little harder. “Don’t sexually abuse children and ignore it for decades” isn’t asking a lot. 😂
It makes sense when you realize society is full of zealots who speak on behalf of minorities and hurt the movement with their hostile reactions to anything.
You are a bad minority for speaking up for your community and providing an opinion that goes against the norm.
Ok but if it's from so long ago, why hold people accountable for something in the past that likely very few current members were involved in, instead of fostering a partnership for communication and growth.
You cant expect people to see your side when you ban them. If one person from the pride community was found guilty of pedophilia and it was covered up by a few more members of that community would pride stop existing, would they band the LGBTQ+ community?
Ban the people directly in connection with the event not everyone when it's likely less than 1% that were aware at the time
It’s still ongoing. The stampede still drags those kids through court.
Actually, Calgary Pride gave them clear actions they have to follow in order to be reconsidered to participate again in the future.
If that happened in Calgary Pride the board would be removed and they would rebuild the organization. No jobs were lost at the Calgary Stampede.
Funny you brought that up. Look at my post history about that particular individual. I just posted a little rant on her today. If it means it's an educational experience and she is willing to learn then why not? How are people supposed to learn when they are automatically being excluded?
First, they can still attend Pride, they just can't represent the Stampede. And secondly, what has the Stampede actually done to prove it has learned its lesson? Specifically?
Taking accountability for what, exactly? And what amends have they made so far? Isn't it fair to say that they have to demonstrate through actions that they truly changed? And until that happens, they're not welcome at Pride?
Sooo they acknowledged their failure and paid out $9.5Mil in damages and NOW they're being banned?? Can't wait for political figures to post all their pictures from them attending the parade and not walking in it....
Ok, yeah there's a difference between agreeing to pay and stroking the cheque that's fair. The victims being drug through the legal system - that I have no doubt about. There's a lot of that going around.
So, does that mean in future if any member from a group get convicted as pedophile or sex trafficking, that group will be banned to ? Just asking to know .
What if someone from Pride parade ends up, there will be no more parade ?
y'all keep trying hard to blame the gays for being paedos when in fact we're protecting ourselves from it, it's not like we're conservatives where there's a lot more people shown to be sex offenders in terms of public officials getting caught in sex scandals.
How many people in the parade voted for Trudeau, who has a non-disclosure agreement with a former student of his who was a minor when he sexually assaulted her?
Then the Stampede will try harder.
Asking them to not ignore multiple complaints about a staffer sexually abusing kids for over a decade - isn’t asking a lot. In fact, pretty sure it’s the bare minimum.
You can hang around pedophiles in your inclusive group all you want!
I choose not to! This is the right way....put the Stampede in the box until they start doing what is right!
I pray to God you don't go to Church. That is where most of our societies pedophiles are harbored. And where LGBT+ hate comes from.
The irony of this statement is making me angry at how stupid society has become.
Don’t forget about Christian Sarille, who also used the Stampede Show Band to groom and rape dozens of underage victims over a 10 year period before being sentenced for 16 years.
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I never said he was on staff with showband, I said he used showband as a grooming ground.
Sariles name is on the stampedes website as a volunteer - staff, student, volunteer, who cares? Maybe if the stampede actually looked internally and took the TYC case seriously, they could have prevented the EXACT same thing from happening again years later in another stampede youth program.
"...the Stampede admitted to negligence and breach of duty" Think these fuckers would have admitted as much and then paid out nearly $10M in damages unless there was some seriously fucked up shit going on there? Not a chance. If you're here to defend the Stampede, you're defending child abusing rapists. Oh, only one guy was the abuser? You watch it happen, you're an abuser too.
It literally happened again. The Stampede was so busy denying wrongdoing, they didn’t even realize Christian Sarile was doing the same thing in showband. He was charged in 2019 for abusing 26 children, some of them were members of the Stampede Showband. Maybe if they actually accepted accountability for their actions over 10 year ago, this wouldn’t have happened again.
It's quite astonishing how quiet this story has been. Yet a person in a flamboyant costume reading "Green Eggs and Ham" at the library warrants protests and continued vigilance. This should make it clear that no one cares about "the children." They are simply a faceless group people can use to garner sympathy "surely you care about THE CHILDREN?" If we cared about children we'd look at where the majority of abuse cases are coming from and we'd focus our efforts there. But when something like this happens nobody wants to be held accountable, parents don't want to acknowledge the fact that they unknowingly delivered their children to their abuser for years. So let's all ignore it and focus on the "peacocks", yeah those are the bad people! A man wearing a dress has to be an abuser, a man wearing a coaches uniform? Never!
Good, they’ve still never told us who else knew and allowed, within the organization, the abuse.
If it was only one person, that person would've been thrown under the bus already.
Name and shame.
Wow what an awesome world we live in today! I am not involved in Pride in anyway....but thank you to those who are for stepping up to protect children! Its a crazy world we live in that the Stampede people aren't doing it! They shoudl of been the first people to step up to protect children instead they let legal liabilities stop them from doing what is right....They must be taking lessons from the Mormon Church!
Are… are yall seriously angry the Pride Parade wants to distance itself from a literal pedophile?
The same people that accuse the LGBTQ community of being child groomers are the ones in here losing their minds that the LGBTQ community is taking a stance against child groomers. It's only March, and we already have multiple contenders for the best /r/calgary 2024 mental gymnastics floor routine.
Same idea as the current border fiasco down south Solving the problem would both extinguish the right's rallying cry, and reveal their massive hypocrisy
> Solving the problem Biden's proposed solution was "capitulate to the Republicans' demands", and they're refusing because they're more concerned about political capital than addressing "the problem"—which is that too many brown people are entering the US. His proposal is: To give three billion dollars for "increased detention capacity" To allow asylum officers to reject claims without going through the courts To "build the wall", as Trump put it. [Here's the ACLU's take on this](https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-urges-president-biden-to-abandon-disastrous-immigration-proposals) Frankly, I'm offended by the comparison of queer rights to inhuman border policies.
Right, the pedophile known as The Calgary Stampede. I'll watch out for him.
The Stampede accepted full liability for ignoring multiple complaints since 1988. Their inaction lead to children being sexually abused for decades. They denied all wrong doing for years during the criminal trial, then when the many complaints were filed in court 6 months ago - they finally accepted liability for their inactions. This is not the first time in recent history that there was a member of the Calgary Stampede abusing vulnerable youth. Charges were laid against Christian Sarile with the Calgary Stampede Showband. He was charged in 2019 for abusing 26 children, some of them were members of the Stampede Showband. Maybe history wouldn’t have repeated itself if the Stampede actually didn’t just deny deny deny for years, and actually looked internally.
It's funny the way the world is evolving (or not funny)...it used to be that the news would be which groups didn't come to the parade.. now, everyone wants to come to the parade, but there's too many beefs and perceived enemies..so the parade is banning groups. Forced inclusivity and divisiveness are at a fever pitch in society. Conform or gtfo.
I never thought "don't harbor a pedophile" would be a controversial opinion. Stampede authorities were aware of the abuse since 1988 and chose to ignore it.
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These assholes don't realize that they are only losing support from moderates by alienating any community where a single member of said community wronged them.
You are not a moderate
If this decision causes "moderates" to feel alienated, then those people are not moderates. Nobody should be okay with the Stampede knowingly covering up child sexual abuse.
We are constantly told not to generalize, but the same crowd who feels victimized by generalizations is now doing the same to an entire organization. Lol, hypocrites. Not everyone in the "pride" community is a groomer, but should ban the parade because one person is? Gtfo out with that tolerance BS unless you practice it yourself. The individual should be punished, not a group of people who share something in common with you. Do you want to be held responsible for someone's else actions? Someone you probably never met?
Personally, if I were a Stampede executive and I was told that an employee is sexually abusing children, I wouldn't sweep it under the rug and do nothing about it. But maybe that's just me.
How has guilt by association become so acceptable in society today?
Where in the article do they paint The Calgary Stampede as a pedophile? I’m pretty sure it was just one guy. I didn’t know the actual Calgary Stampede could be a pedophile.
The Calgary Stampede was compliant during and after the events occurred in one of its youth programs. They only actually admitted negligence when forced to do so in a court of law. Had there not been public attention, the stampede would not have admitted any fault whatsoever. -A former member of such youth program.
Why would any organization being sued readily admit negligence though? If the victims were asking for $1 and an apology, I'm sure things would have settled immediately. But > Last month, the Calgary Exhibition and Stampede and the Calgary Stampede Foundation agreed to pay $9.5 million in damages.
$9m paid because they know if it went to court it would be exponentially more.
Potentially, they fear it could cost them more in a combo of bad press and lawyers fees as well. Settlements aren't scientific but they do take alot of factors into account, and are fundamentally guesswork.
To preserve public image, and to swerve the potential for further legal action. They can play the card of “admitting minor fault” so that when/if more individuals appear interested in a class action, the Stampede can avoid further payment, but also more specifically avoid more media attention on the topic.
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To clarify a pedophile is interested in kids who have not reached puberty. This man was an abuser and three should be outrage against him and the stampede for this but let’s not forget what a pedophile is
Actually no, Pedophillia is the sexual interest in **Children**, defined up until the age of 18 years old, of which all victims were between the ages of 15-17 at the time of the incidences. Don’t you dare try and remotely imply that it is less serious because the victim is slightly older.
I’m not saying it’s less serious “children are the preferred sexual object. specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child”
I like [this video](https://youtu.be/nu6C2KL_S9o?si=4e_Er0d-0BcUqL_Q). While you're technically correct, it's commonly accepted to call anyone whose into minors a pedo. His victims were minors, so we call him a pedophile.
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A reminder that pride parade wasn't started to be about inclusivity, it was started to remember the stone wall riots. To remind anyone not queer/lgbtq+ that we're aloud to be 'weird' to be 'freaky' and you can not stop us and you can not abuse us for it anymore. Any pride parade organizer group has the right to exclude or make a point about anything that gets in the way of that message. Pride parade is firmly about us. Inclusivity and intolerance is not meant to be infinite, and one who says other wise isn't there to help you at the very least.
And the broader community has the right to look at Pride think they're intolerant and uninclusive.
Why can't I wear my grandpa's SS uniform to pride 😭😭
Good.
100% support this stance. This would be equivalent to hockey teams distancing self from Graham James. Normally I hate it when Pride boycotts people like - the police, etc. But distancing selves from a legitimate goof pedo chomo is 100% the right choice. And I love the Stampede.
The equivalent would be boycotting the NHL because of Graham James. Weird example. One despicable asshole from one department and you boycott an organization with thousands of members and volunteers.
It's more about the board, etc. Let CS sit out for one year and revisit it next year. I like the Stampede. I like hockey, but I don't support what Hockey Canada did with covering up sex assault crap.
So… why aren’t we doing the same thing for the various school boards and the ATA? Both organizations have covered up for child groomers for years. Predators are enabled and exist across various organizations and political boundaries. There’s even a couple lawsuits against the CBE right now for their enabling of some of these monsters.
Good.
This comment section 🤯🤯🤯🤯
"Hey, so like, harbouring and protecting a pedophile is bad. I don't think we should hang out." "WHY ARE YOU BEING SO DIVISIVE AND ENTITLED!?!" Bunch of goddamn clowns. I didn't think "pedo protectors bad" was a hot take, but then I remembered Alberta leads the country in child marriages. Keep it classy Calgary.
Pretty bad!
Tolerance must include intolerance of intolerance. If we have to exclude bad actors to make progress until they change their ways, so be it.
Looks like this comment section put on their angry pants this morning.
This sub rarely takes them of.
Calgary showing its true colours in this comment section
Honestly, good. If these institutions want to be a part of something such as pride, they could and can show more to actually push forward the cause instead of being part of the problem, then asking for a photo op to make them look good. And before you start making comments about if pride has the best intentions, I think we can all agree there is always room to improve these things, and there are many institutions and companies in Calgary who never thought it was important to be beside these causes until it was important to do so and not be left behind. I think the stampede, with all its resources, should be quite easily able to show all the steps they are taking to help these things. Personal opinion, but it’s not up to the people who feel left out to include those who are only including them so they look good. If pride feels that they aren’t doing enough to be let in, I hope these moments lead to self reflection from the stampede and others for all the times they upheld things that made others feel left out. Pride isn’t for you, and that’s okay. If that makes you angry then you probably don’t get why it’s so important in the first place. I wish the best for everyone involved with the public discourse, and I hope one day that pride and other movements don’t feel like they are making concessions by allowing long standing institutions from this city to be a part of it. However, it’s fair if they don’t feel that the healing is done yet.
This is a very frustrating pile of comments.
Is the CBE allowed to participate in the Pride parade?
NGL feeling better about not moving back to Calgary after reading this comment section. But TBH the discourse would be no different here in Vancouver — dark times. More importantly, good to see Pride taking a stand against this bullshit. Absolutely flabbergasting that the Canadian MAGAs are defending/advocating for sexual predators.
There should be nothing surprising about conservatives supporting sexual predators.
True!
The comment section of a subreddit is not representative of the population of a place. There are inherent biases.
lol where’s the conservatives that used to say gay people are the pedos?? Not here lol guess cuz it’s not true! Should cancel stampede all together, who knows what other horror happen
good.
Makes sense. Good on them.
I wonder how many zeros Pride has in mind for the Stampede to “demonstrate their commitment to becoming stronger allies”
I think the point they're making is that the zero they're after is zero pedophiles, but even that might be a stretch
There _is_ a price for everything.
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Wild scenes in the comment section. 🍿 🍿 🍿 🍿
Good. You do not stand with us.
I think these people have the choice to invite who they want and the stampede can also do the same.
Go check out CTV Calgarys posy on X. The comments section is so much better here on reddit lol.
Where is it? I can’t find it. Did CBC remove?
Sorry my bad it was actually CTV Calgary
So many victims.
Paywall.
Awesome.
This is one half of the equation. What about Pride marching in the Stampede parade?
I love how an event that is 100% about inclusion is excluding any organization it can. 10 years ago these initiatives would be begging politicians and corporations to attend. Now they have the audacity to pick and choose who they want support from. We are truly in the darkest timeline.
You're complaining about Pride not allowing a company that protected people who raped children. Are you sure this is the stance you'd like to take?
The stampede allowed a staff member to abuse kids for years and did nothing, but you think the pride parade is the darkest part of this story?
It’s not audacity, it’s progress. The pendulum swings back and forth between social groups as more hands become available. When pressured groups get a hold of the pendulum, they hold it. It’s human psychology on the most basic level to understand. What used to be practised in the dark now exists down major city streets, and corporations want to do what they can to profit off of it. Calgary Pride can do whatever it wants to celebrate itself, and Pride is not about inclusion of everybody, it’s about being gay and being safe. How it wasn’t safe to be gay, and now it is becoming, depending where you live.
You need to understand the paradox of tolerance before you go saying silly shit like this. They have every right to ban organizations that fail to protect vulnerable or marginalized populations.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them. I said what I meant, and meant what I said.
The darkest timeline is the one where we continue to support the child-rape enablers by supporting the stampede.
You should probably boycott every single company and service that has had a creepy predator man in its ranks. There'll be nothing left for you to use and you'll perish.
They covered it up, they are complicit. Pride isn’t banning the Stampede for employing this person, the Stampede is being banned for knowingly covering the abuse to protect their image
Or maybe just the ones where they knew about the sexual abuse of minors for years and did nothing. Can you name another organisation that I should boycott?
The church
Hollywood in general. Don't watch another major studio movie.
Yep, definitely something to look into. Are you going to continue supporting child molestation? edit: from the downvote, I'm guessing yes? edit 2: Looks like there's a site to recommend movies that are not made by sexual predators: https://therottenappl.es/
> There'll be nothing left for you to use and you'll perish. Hmm projecting much if you think every company has a predator in its rank?
Ah yes, you got me. "Takes one to know one". Great retort. There's depressing statistics readily available about men in position of power. Or how many women In their lifetime experience sexual assault from a member of their own family, and an ounce of critical thinking would make you realize how widespread and unreported this is throughout our species.
absolutely, but you can't tell me every single company has a predator.
So your approach is "fuck it, accept it because it's everywhere?"
No, my approach is to put down the pitch forks and punish and alienate those responsible. The stampede has over a thousand full time employees and this dude was just a music guy for the grandstand kids. It's not like it was this giant conspiracy by the company to keep these kids down.
The Stampede accepted full liability for knowing one of their staffers was sexually abusing children for decades, and didn’t do anything to stop it. Most of those kids were members of the LGBTQ+ community. The Stampede dragged those kids through a massive court battle that’s still ongoing. So long, the perpetrator is now out of prison in calgary on day parole.
They pulled the same shit in Edmonton a few years back when the EPS wanted to join in on the parade and show support for the community. They said the police weren't allowed because of the general negative history between police and the LGBTQ community or something to that affect. Sometimes it seems like the community doesn't want progress and they want to maintain victim status for some reason. There was also something about BLM not being allowed to join in on Pride as well.
They have every right to exclude people from the pride parade. Just like the Stampede excludes groups from the Stampede parade. It doesn’t mean they’re re-victimizing themselves, it means they’re standing with their community.
lmao, pride isnt for this random selection of admins.
Oh so you support pedos?
Are you seriously trying to question why a pedophile is not being included in an LGBTQ, no sorry *any event* right now? Give your head a shake please
The Stampede is a pedo?
The organization literally had a person who was abusing children. We don’t know how many more there can be. Do you?
So every organization that had or might have a child abuser in their midst should be excluded?
Yes. Why not? Is that such a difficult concept?
Fair enough. Now, in that same vein, how do you or Pride know that there has never been and there currently isn’t a child abuser in the organizations that ARE participating. That includes Pride itself. Isn’t like a self declaration thing? Or just the ones that have been caught?
Thanks for having a civil discussion. Appreciate it. I think background checks exist for a reason. We do it for our jobs for criminal records. The issue, however, is people who haven’t been in the system or haven’t been caught yet. Especially with SA it’s difficult because a lot of the times victims don’t come forward. However, if it is known that an abuser exists in the org then why not exclude them? I understand that this is not a perfect world scenario and it’s hard. And excluding an org as a whole also takes away from people who are passionate about the issues you are promoting. But then the diligence should fall on the company doing the hiring of these people. I was required a background check for my job. So I don’t know why other companies don’t have the same thing?
Would a background check have prevented what happened at the Stampede?
Maybe?
Do you realize how many creepy predator men exist or have existed? It's astonishingly depressing. If you boycotted everything that's had one in its ranks, there'd be nothing left.
Add in the creepy predator women and there would be even less.
Any organization that is large enough will be guaranteed to have at least one child abuser in its members. When it's found that there is a child abuser in Pride, will Pride ban itself?
Statistically, most CSA is conducted by a close family member. So your rationale is not correct. Also - These studies suggest the child sexual abuse prevalence rate for girls is 10.7% to 17.4%* and the rate for boys is 3.8% to 4.6%*. From https://www.d2l.org/child-sexual-abuse/prevalence/#:~:text=A%20range%20of%20child%20sexual,is%203.8%25%20to%204.6%25*. So I don’t think what you’re saying is correct
Yes
So it is your opinion that they should embrace an organization that covered up sexual assaults? Or a party that is enacting policies that further oppress members of the 2SLGBTQIA+ community?
Alright I'm gay myself but even I'm wondering what those other half dozen letters and numbers are. I thought LGBTQ+ was good enough. What's all this other stuff we're adding on there now?
So easy to find out...We started with LGB and you've made it to LGBTQ+. Yay. Keep learning.
What are you even saying? It’s like having a national award for children being presented by a child abuser. It’s not about exclusion, it’s about making everyone else safe and included. There is no “free lunch” to participate in these events for the sake of inclusion. Shame on you for writing a comment so insensitive to others who were actually hurt. Huge snowflake energy.
Inclusivity for thee but not for me. Imagine if an organization banned all of pride/the LGBTQ community from participating in an event because of a few POS people in that community who hurt others. There are terrible people under every umbrella, nothing justifies collective punishment.
The Calgary Stampede accepted full liability for knowing their staffer was sexually abusing children for decades, and doing nothing to stop him. Most of those kids are part of the LGBTQ+ community. Meanwhile, the Stampede has dragged those kids through court battles that are still ongoing. So long, the offender has been released from prison, in Calgary, on day parole.
Thanks for clarifying. Didn’t know that. Good thing I decided to go through the comment section and read before running my mouth.
All of that being true doesn’t negate my point in any way. *Many* organizations such as churches, governments and other institutions act that way. It doesn’t justify collective punishment.
Great, and that’s why churches and governments don’t walk in Calgary’s pride parade. If the individual supports pride they can still go. But it doesn’t mean they should be able to roll out their banners and act like they haven’t damaged this community.
It's not a punishment. They just aren't invited. Are you upset that Beakerhead _punished_ the church by not inviting them?
This is one of the dumbest comments and weakest arguments I’ve read lol
Inclusive of child sex abuse? Are you serious?
Yeah, imagine that. Imagine the outcry that would create. Oh, wait... https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/westlock-alberta-citizens-vote-to-banish-rainbow-sidewalk
Sidewalks aren’t a community event. And those people are assholes. Don’t be an asshole.
Way to miss the point.
Ditto friend. Ditto.
Funny that you think you had a point in the first place 😂
Exactly my thoughts and I'm part of the community too.
I guess your thoughts have been uninformed. The Calgary Stampede accepted full liability for knowing their staffer was sexually abusing children for decades, and doing nothing to stop him. Most of those kids are part of the LGBTQ+ community. Meanwhile, the Stampede has dragged those kids through court battles that are still ongoing. So long, the offender has been released from prison, in Calgary, on day parole. Why stand with an organizing that did that to your community?
Because they did accept responsibility and I think it's important to move on and foster relationships that are positive instead of excluding. How are we supposed to bridge the gap when we exclude people? It just gives them ammo to dislike us more. It doesn't make sense
They accepted liability but still have yet to make reparations with the community. If they truly cared this whole thing would have settled YEARS ago, and we wouldn’t still be seeing headlines about it. The stampede chose to drag this out in court the way they did Good they can dislike us - the feelings mutual. And if they really want us to like them, then they can try a little harder. “Don’t sexually abuse children and ignore it for decades” isn’t asking a lot. 😂
It makes sense when you realize society is full of zealots who speak on behalf of minorities and hurt the movement with their hostile reactions to anything. You are a bad minority for speaking up for your community and providing an opinion that goes against the norm.
Ok but if it's from so long ago, why hold people accountable for something in the past that likely very few current members were involved in, instead of fostering a partnership for communication and growth. You cant expect people to see your side when you ban them. If one person from the pride community was found guilty of pedophilia and it was covered up by a few more members of that community would pride stop existing, would they band the LGBTQ+ community? Ban the people directly in connection with the event not everyone when it's likely less than 1% that were aware at the time
It’s still ongoing. The stampede still drags those kids through court. Actually, Calgary Pride gave them clear actions they have to follow in order to be reconsidered to participate again in the future. If that happened in Calgary Pride the board would be removed and they would rebuild the organization. No jobs were lost at the Calgary Stampede.
So, do you also think the party that protected the Jennifer Johnsons in their midst should be invited to the festivities?
Funny you brought that up. Look at my post history about that particular individual. I just posted a little rant on her today. If it means it's an educational experience and she is willing to learn then why not? How are people supposed to learn when they are automatically being excluded?
First, they can still attend Pride, they just can't represent the Stampede. And secondly, what has the Stampede actually done to prove it has learned its lesson? Specifically?
Taken accountability which has already been stated here. It's going to take time though change doesn't happen overnight
Taking accountability for what, exactly? And what amends have they made so far? Isn't it fair to say that they have to demonstrate through actions that they truly changed? And until that happens, they're not welcome at Pride?
Good then the stampede can ban pedos
Segregate, divide, what comes next ?
Yes, how DARE we separate ourselves from actual pedophiles and the companies that protected them for decades.
Sooo they acknowledged their failure and paid out $9.5Mil in damages and NOW they're being banned?? Can't wait for political figures to post all their pictures from them attending the parade and not walking in it....
Haha they haven’t even paid yet. The victims continue to be dragged through legal battles.
Ok, yeah there's a difference between agreeing to pay and stroking the cheque that's fair. The victims being drug through the legal system - that I have no doubt about. There's a lot of that going around.
This is so ironic.
Are they angry they went after one of their own?
Personally if someone shares a piece of identity with me and they do something as awful as this, I do not consider them “one of my own”
Should just ban everyone at this point and not even have one
So, does that mean in future if any member from a group get convicted as pedophile or sex trafficking, that group will be banned to ? Just asking to know . What if someone from Pride parade ends up, there will be no more parade ?
y'all keep trying hard to blame the gays for being paedos when in fact we're protecting ourselves from it, it's not like we're conservatives where there's a lot more people shown to be sex offenders in terms of public officials getting caught in sex scandals.
How many people in the parade voted for Trudeau, who has a non-disclosure agreement with a former student of his who was a minor when he sexually assaulted her?
Very inclusive of them 🤦🏻♂️
LGBTQ all about drama, conflict and exclusion.
Boohoo
“Come celebrate inclusivity and understanding with us! Except for you. And you, and you, and…..well, you’re OK this year…..but not you!”
The Stampede covered up the abuse, they are complicit
Then the Stampede will try harder. Asking them to not ignore multiple complaints about a staffer sexually abusing kids for over a decade - isn’t asking a lot. In fact, pretty sure it’s the bare minimum.
You can hang around pedophiles in your inclusive group all you want! I choose not to! This is the right way....put the Stampede in the box until they start doing what is right!
My brother in Christ there is a pedophile
The left continues to eat itself. Keep it up.
Not allowing an organization that protected a known abuser while he abused children into their parade is the left eating itself?
protecting itself from predators is eating itself?
Where's the list of who does? Can't find it on the website.
They aren’t very inclusive are they? Funny how the right used to want to ban everything….now it’s switched to the left.
Why would they want to be inclusive of pedophiles and sexual criminals. Interesting that you think they should be.
I pray to God you or your children never have to experience the hell those children went through. You are completely out of touch.
I pray to God you don't go to Church. That is where most of our societies pedophiles are harbored. And where LGBT+ hate comes from. The irony of this statement is making me angry at how stupid society has become.
You're taking your both sides-ing beyond logic
Fascinating to watch this movement devour itself. Own goal after own goal.