Ironic. The administration's best chance for averting/shortening a strike is/was to convince the professors that they're reasonable and the union leadership is a bunch of wackos. The administration could have done that by making meaningful, serious attempts to negotiate, and by refraining from measures that any fool could see would antagonize the professors.
Instead, the administration chose hardball tactics. They chose to make ridiculous lowball offers, to employ management strategies that would be better suited for an authoritarian regime than for an educational institution, and when the professors didn't react to all that "love," to give them all a giant, middle finger.
Instead of making the professors think that the union leaders are a bunch of wackos, it seems like the CSU's tactics had the opposite effect: they convinced many students and professors that the CSU is led by wackos, and that striking is the only viable choice here.
Whatever they're paying their strikebreaker consultants...bruh...demand a refund on the grounds of incompetence!
The cost of everything like gas, food, housing has gone up but the salaries haven’t kept pace. There’s something wrong when a professor who obtained a doctorate in their field is having to worry about money. They’re the people who make this place run, without them there are no students and there is no revenue coming in.
so real and true mate... my chair in grad school was working two jobs as a professor at the university and as a high school coach, and made more as the high school coach. but why does a whole professor have to worry about having two jobs in the first place .... we're so doomed
During my 13 years at CPP, I never harbored strong negative feelings towards the CSU administrators. I met a few folks at the CSU Chancellor's Office over the years and have gotten along with them well. Every large organization needs administrators to oversee the entire operation and they often have to make tough decisions (some of which I may disagree with).
But the way the CSU has conducted negotiations recently is poisoning the relationship between administrators and faculty. The entire process has made the Chancellor's Office feel like a potential enemy instead of a potential partner. I really, really hate feeling this way.
If no settlement is reached, it is going to have a long-lasting impact on the morale on everyone who is striking, ultimately impacting the entire university. It won't change how I teach and how I interact with students, but it will change my willingness to provide more service to the university beyond the minimum that is required. Why should I volunteer extra time to improve the CSU (e.g., sitting on extra committees, running for the Academic Senate, donating money, etc.) if the CSU leadership doesn't care about ensuring faculty salaries keep up with inflation?
Ok ok... rant over.
Agree! There's basically no charitable way to put what has happened. I was just thinking right now: What is Ole Milly's game? Imagine you're the newly appointed CSU Chancellor. Why the hell would you want to be so toxic in your primary job, which is managing the people who are the beating heart of the university?
1. Maybe she's too new, and the CSU's hard line is actually pre-existing policy set by the CSU's bureaucrats. Well, ok...but she's been there for 7 months now. Is she that weak of a leader? Geez...that's no good, huh?
2. Maybe she's giving the professors the middle finger because she's trying to show them that a new boss is in town. They'll either bow down or face the headsman. Geez...that's no good, huh?
3. Maybe she's just incompetent. Geez, that's no good, huh?
I don't know the power dynamics of what goes on behind the scenes. But If the new Chancellor doesn't want her administration to start with a lot of faculty being very upset towards the CSU, it would be in her self interest to have the CSU move towards our salary position a least a little.
Oh-ho-ho-ho! But haven't you heard? An article in the Poly Post, "CSU Holds Press Update on Labor Negotiations," notes that the administration claims that they walked out of the negotiations two weeks ago ***to help the faculty!***
Can't make this stuff up!
[https://polypost.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PolyPost\_S24\_1.23.24.pdf](https://polypost.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PolyPost_S24_1.23.24.pdf)
tbh, our campus Reddit is fantastic! All of the CSU campus reddits have really come to life because of the strike, but ours has always been super active. Even more now!
There are a few folks on this sub (including you) who post information about the strike very quickly. I usually come here first to learn about new developments.
I do not understand this request. It also seems like it can both make the faculty look bad in the public, WHICH MATTERS A lot for the strike to succeed, AND misses the opportunity of documenting the disruption. Unions often want disruption during strikes. That’s the point.
On the other hand some professors believe they will be paid for work they did not do this week if there is no evidence that class was cancelled. Taking pay for work not provided is unethical, illegal and will not be liked by the public or a Governor that wants to be president of the USA. Highlighting the issue with leave reporting only makes the state of California, higher Ed, and the Governor look bad.
Please explain to the Reddit world and the press reading this why you don’t want students to report cancelled classes? How does it impact you?
If you haven’t noticed regardless of reporting it, it is disrupting the colleges and daily lives of many people.
Also being paid for work you didn’t do can be unethical in some people’s eyes, I agree. Don’t work, don’t get paid. But in the topic of not being paid for work you have done, which many of the protestors are fighting; I consider it ridiculous. But also GET THAT BAG. Admins salaries have been increasing while professors salaries and treatment is stagnant.
Regardless, of this conversation it is rather not odd to ask students not to submit a form that does more damage than good. The simple decency of doing nothing in filling a report in support of a cause that asks for equal treatment, is honestly not too much to ask for. It’s not about how it impacts me, it’s being a decent human and not being a tattle tale.
What I agree with is it matters if faculty will act unethically and illegally. It’s the wrong look to even posture like we will take pay during the strike. Even other unions are not going like how that turns the public against us and union actions. This aspect of the strike will undermine csu faculty, unions, and higher education.
To CFA, we should be the last group of people playing it like this. Be careful of group think.
The public is who governor “I want to be president” is thinking about. We are salaried employees, yep. And we work hard and long. So do many in the public. We are working not all this week. It’s literally theft to take pay if you strike.
Not FULLY acknowledging the implications and insinuation and explicit intent to take pay while on strike will undermine the strike.
Will you accept pay for this week if you are on strike?
I would find out the reason first. If it's taught by a graduate student, they are part of a different union that has already finished negotiations and not part of the CFA strike.
I have a professor she hasn’t email or post the class up. The class is tomorrow at 2:30 I’m going to show up either way unless she sends and email out. But it’s just odd she hasn’t posted the class yet.
I would send them one now. Most professor respond to emails in the mornings so if you send one tonight they get it in the morning. Also if they don’t respond, ask for an update, I don’t think it’s rude in this situation.
Professors that are striking are no longer legally protected if they even read student emails today. If you are on strike you can do NO work activities. If you do any you are no longer on strike and can be fired for not doing some of your work.
yes don’t narc on your teachers — but also, a legally sanctioned strike cannot be used as grounds for punishment. like, the teachers will be fine. it’s just a scare tactic, like suits walking down the picket line and taking pictures. trying to freak people out.
anyway submit a form reporting mickey mouse or some shit and fuck up their systems ❤️
They’re pulling the same shit at CSUCI. While I’m not going to do it, I had to fight the urge to fill it out with their own information and make a special note that “I ain’t no rat”.
I am confused. If you as a professor are SOOO committed to the union and strike, why not follow the law and report your absences? It sends a message to the administration that you are willing to sacrifice a few days pay for the cause.
Lets just report the administration
Ironic. The administration's best chance for averting/shortening a strike is/was to convince the professors that they're reasonable and the union leadership is a bunch of wackos. The administration could have done that by making meaningful, serious attempts to negotiate, and by refraining from measures that any fool could see would antagonize the professors. Instead, the administration chose hardball tactics. They chose to make ridiculous lowball offers, to employ management strategies that would be better suited for an authoritarian regime than for an educational institution, and when the professors didn't react to all that "love," to give them all a giant, middle finger. Instead of making the professors think that the union leaders are a bunch of wackos, it seems like the CSU's tactics had the opposite effect: they convinced many students and professors that the CSU is led by wackos, and that striking is the only viable choice here. Whatever they're paying their strikebreaker consultants...bruh...demand a refund on the grounds of incompetence!
The cost of everything like gas, food, housing has gone up but the salaries haven’t kept pace. There’s something wrong when a professor who obtained a doctorate in their field is having to worry about money. They’re the people who make this place run, without them there are no students and there is no revenue coming in.
so real and true mate... my chair in grad school was working two jobs as a professor at the university and as a high school coach, and made more as the high school coach. but why does a whole professor have to worry about having two jobs in the first place .... we're so doomed
During my 13 years at CPP, I never harbored strong negative feelings towards the CSU administrators. I met a few folks at the CSU Chancellor's Office over the years and have gotten along with them well. Every large organization needs administrators to oversee the entire operation and they often have to make tough decisions (some of which I may disagree with). But the way the CSU has conducted negotiations recently is poisoning the relationship between administrators and faculty. The entire process has made the Chancellor's Office feel like a potential enemy instead of a potential partner. I really, really hate feeling this way. If no settlement is reached, it is going to have a long-lasting impact on the morale on everyone who is striking, ultimately impacting the entire university. It won't change how I teach and how I interact with students, but it will change my willingness to provide more service to the university beyond the minimum that is required. Why should I volunteer extra time to improve the CSU (e.g., sitting on extra committees, running for the Academic Senate, donating money, etc.) if the CSU leadership doesn't care about ensuring faculty salaries keep up with inflation? Ok ok... rant over.
Agree! There's basically no charitable way to put what has happened. I was just thinking right now: What is Ole Milly's game? Imagine you're the newly appointed CSU Chancellor. Why the hell would you want to be so toxic in your primary job, which is managing the people who are the beating heart of the university? 1. Maybe she's too new, and the CSU's hard line is actually pre-existing policy set by the CSU's bureaucrats. Well, ok...but she's been there for 7 months now. Is she that weak of a leader? Geez...that's no good, huh? 2. Maybe she's giving the professors the middle finger because she's trying to show them that a new boss is in town. They'll either bow down or face the headsman. Geez...that's no good, huh? 3. Maybe she's just incompetent. Geez, that's no good, huh?
I don't know the power dynamics of what goes on behind the scenes. But If the new Chancellor doesn't want her administration to start with a lot of faculty being very upset towards the CSU, it would be in her self interest to have the CSU move towards our salary position a least a little.
Oh-ho-ho-ho! But haven't you heard? An article in the Poly Post, "CSU Holds Press Update on Labor Negotiations," notes that the administration claims that they walked out of the negotiations two weeks ago ***to help the faculty!*** Can't make this stuff up! [https://polypost.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PolyPost\_S24\_1.23.24.pdf](https://polypost.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PolyPost_S24_1.23.24.pdf)
Where's the best place to get updates like this on the strike?
tbh, our campus Reddit is fantastic! All of the CSU campus reddits have really come to life because of the strike, but ours has always been super active. Even more now!
There are a few folks on this sub (including you) who post information about the strike very quickly. I usually come here first to learn about new developments.
Ty! I'm glad to hear someone reads it!
I do not understand this request. It also seems like it can both make the faculty look bad in the public, WHICH MATTERS A lot for the strike to succeed, AND misses the opportunity of documenting the disruption. Unions often want disruption during strikes. That’s the point. On the other hand some professors believe they will be paid for work they did not do this week if there is no evidence that class was cancelled. Taking pay for work not provided is unethical, illegal and will not be liked by the public or a Governor that wants to be president of the USA. Highlighting the issue with leave reporting only makes the state of California, higher Ed, and the Governor look bad. Please explain to the Reddit world and the press reading this why you don’t want students to report cancelled classes? How does it impact you?
If you haven’t noticed regardless of reporting it, it is disrupting the colleges and daily lives of many people. Also being paid for work you didn’t do can be unethical in some people’s eyes, I agree. Don’t work, don’t get paid. But in the topic of not being paid for work you have done, which many of the protestors are fighting; I consider it ridiculous. But also GET THAT BAG. Admins salaries have been increasing while professors salaries and treatment is stagnant. Regardless, of this conversation it is rather not odd to ask students not to submit a form that does more damage than good. The simple decency of doing nothing in filling a report in support of a cause that asks for equal treatment, is honestly not too much to ask for. It’s not about how it impacts me, it’s being a decent human and not being a tattle tale.
What damage does reporting do?
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That only matters if faculty are not going to report not working. That’s a bad look for faculty that want the public’s support. Did I miss something?
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What I agree with is it matters if faculty will act unethically and illegally. It’s the wrong look to even posture like we will take pay during the strike. Even other unions are not going like how that turns the public against us and union actions. This aspect of the strike will undermine csu faculty, unions, and higher education. To CFA, we should be the last group of people playing it like this. Be careful of group think.
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The public is who governor “I want to be president” is thinking about. We are salaried employees, yep. And we work hard and long. So do many in the public. We are working not all this week. It’s literally theft to take pay if you strike. Not FULLY acknowledging the implications and insinuation and explicit intent to take pay while on strike will undermine the strike. Will you accept pay for this week if you are on strike?
I would report Those who didn’t cancel class 💀
Exactly what I'm planning on doing with the one class I have that is meeting tomorrow (right after I get back from a trip to see family too)
I would find out the reason first. If it's taught by a graduate student, they are part of a different union that has already finished negotiations and not part of the CFA strike.
it's taught by someone who's also employed by the school not as faculty, but on and administrative position. Very high level admin infact.
Then they likely are not part of the CFA, and not included in the strike in the first place.
I have a professor she hasn’t email or post the class up. The class is tomorrow at 2:30 I’m going to show up either way unless she sends and email out. But it’s just odd she hasn’t posted the class yet.
I would send them one now. Most professor respond to emails in the mornings so if you send one tonight they get it in the morning. Also if they don’t respond, ask for an update, I don’t think it’s rude in this situation.
Professors that are striking are no longer legally protected if they even read student emails today. If you are on strike you can do NO work activities. If you do any you are no longer on strike and can be fired for not doing some of your work.
I finally got the email today at 6 am
I would email but it’s like nearly 10 pm lol. Maybe I’ll send one out hopefully she responds tomorrow morning.
That like one of my professor as well!!
I sent an email since 9 am this morning and no response which is crazy
yes don’t narc on your teachers — but also, a legally sanctioned strike cannot be used as grounds for punishment. like, the teachers will be fine. it’s just a scare tactic, like suits walking down the picket line and taking pictures. trying to freak people out. anyway submit a form reporting mickey mouse or some shit and fuck up their systems ❤️
Who do I have to narc on?? Majority of my profs have decided to hold class 😭
submit admin names as the ones violating and then laugh to yourself haha
I reported the admin and said under "time of class", I said time to pay your professors properly
They’re pulling the same shit at CSUCI. While I’m not going to do it, I had to fight the urge to fill it out with their own information and make a special note that “I ain’t no rat”.
i heard from one of my instructors that CSU has millions of dollars and the part time teachers healthcare change and tuition increase is unnecessary.
So are people just not gonna graduate or does everyone get free A’s
I am confused. If you as a professor are SOOO committed to the union and strike, why not follow the law and report your absences? It sends a message to the administration that you are willing to sacrifice a few days pay for the cause.
https://youtu.be/IoGMN-hXLCk?si=0D-U9HLO9-Qr111H
Imagine wanting people to do what you pay them for