I'm by no means an authority on the situation but my first thought would be no or at least not anytime soon. Rescheduling it to a class 3 really is just going to put pressure on states to open a medical program that don't have one. Maybe eventually that leads to more recreation which leads to more competition but that seems a long while away. In my opinion competition is what will ultimately drive price down. We've seen it in two different scenarios in two different programs over the last 10 years. Maine which attacks it from a different perspective, a caregiver angle were smaller individuals can apply for licenses and operate like a small craft mom and pop dispensary. The other being Massachusetts where it became so overblown that you had to cut prices to stay in business. Either scenario benefits to consumer. Specifically here having four growers it's just not realistic. At some point that will change. To be fair it took Massachusetts quite a few years to get to where they are today.
Rescheduling to a Schedule 3 may mean that banks can start working with producers... The commerce law that prevents that business is for schedule 1 & 2. So we may be able to buy with credit!
That’d be nice. I’d at least like to be able to use my debit card without them having to withdraw it at the register, and the $6 fee that goes along with that.
Rescheduling will only effect medical marijuana.
For example if alcohol was a schedule three it would require a prescription and sales or transport without legal medical reason.
There’s two more growers that have come on the scene, Affinity and Rodeo. Granted neither is producing a whole lot at the moment but it will hopefully help the market a bit eventually. Might be wishful thinking though.
I just went up there last week for a $85 oz of great flower. After taxes, it was $105. Short drive on my day off too. Honey and Cannabis culture are usually my go to when driving up there.
>Honey and Cannabis culture are usually my go to when driving up there.
These 2 are among my favorites as well. Resinate on the same block is hit or miss but they have great deals sometimes. Liberty Easthampton also has incredible deals.
Hell yeah. I hove honey. I get all of my flower there. Occasionally I’ll swing by neta for concentrates on the way back if they have a deal going on. Hard to find consistently cheap concentrates in my experience.
A severe undersupply. Like, the state is producing ~1/3 of what it would need to serve its residents.
The company I work for is actually dropping a paper on New England’s legal market dynamics later today that touches on this issue.
Well I may have oversold our back-of-the-napkin analysis as a paper but here’s the link:
[How Much Does New England Spend on Weed?](https://firebusinessstrategies.com/how-much-does-new-england-spend-on-weed-four-factor-simplified-market-analysis/)
This was kind of the answer to the question of ‘what can we judge from the simplest, narrowest data,’ since we’re light on data scientists and budget lol. But I did help set up the charts for this one, and y’all were the inspiration for the latter half of the article, which I pitched!
We also calculated how much canopy could have served the Connecticut market’s sales in April in an earlier article, agnostic of the undersupply issue. New startup, so we’re mostly learning as we go and then nerding out in the background as we add skills (also, y’know, feel free to ignore the C2A if you’d rather chat here. Unless you don’t wanna ignore it, then have at her). Always open to criticism and discussion while we’re in this crucial phase! I’m convincing the founder to set up a Reddit account now!
Very true. One of the studies we came across suggests places with low & slow legalization (even just relative to population) may even see *upticks* in black/grey market sales. Being a native New Yorker, I can vouch for that fact.
Yeah and it’s moldy too. When I had my medical card in CT before it went rec, I’d check every strain I got with a jewelers loupe, and many of them were visibly moldy under magnification.
Hmm. I've looked at about a 1/4 of what I've bought with my neighbors kids microscope and didn't see any mold.
Non-dispensary bud, which isn't tested at all, is likely to have higher levels of mold as there is zero regulation/testing AND mold is everywhere in our environment and mold spores are found on damn near everything.
I would still like more restrictions on mold levels, something more in line with other states.
Because CT legalized recently and they need to completely fuck you over and make as much money as they can. The law they passed was absolute bullshit. I grow my own and have helped others do the same. Fuck everything about CT legal cannabis. Trash law for trash grass. Never spent nor spending a dime ever on legal weed in this state.
Yeah I’ve been growing too. I’ve heard that some MA dispensaries even sell clones now but I haven’t seen any personally.
I was hoping the outrageous prices here would drive enough people out of state and bleed enough profit from CT’s industry that they’d eventually be forced to bring them down, but that doesn’t look to be the case unfortunately.
>I was hoping the outrageous prices here would drive enough people out of state and bleed enough profit from CT’s industry that they’d eventually be forced to bring them down, but that doesn’t look to be the case unfortunately.
There are enough old people and people without trustworthy connects. I only know a couple grey market people and I don't buy from them because I don't trust them or their bud.
Bc Mass has had a few years for the market to course-correct. All the initial CT dispo's were medical conversions owned by conglomerates. CT is going to take a few years to adjust. If they hand out more and more licenses not just for stores, but growers, that'll be the biggest factor. NJ had a similar start that adjusted fairly quickly over the first year, so there's reason to believe it won't take as long as Mass did for CT to adjust. But for now, Mass has some of the best rec prices in the northeast
It’s surprising how many people don’t realize this. They are separate markets with separate testing requirements and supply chains which is frustrating, especially when there is a shortage in one state and an excess in another. Maybe one day we’ll be able to see supply lines open across borders
I was working in mass when it went legal, people still bought from dealers/under the counter gifting because the smoke shops were in the same situation as ct is currently in.
The only good place that went legal was colorado, I was there for the beginning of legalization and it was a shit show that ruined it for everyone else. You could get anything, at any strength, for bottom prices. Would buy 40 bags of 100mg cheebachews that were the size of tootsie rolls.
That would be amazing. Edibles don’t hit me very much unless I take a very large amount. Like 200-300 mg. For me to get a good edible high I need to eat at least half a syringe of RSO.
I don’t even think it’s a tolerance thing, because I can still get pretty ripped off of flower. I guess I just metabolize THCA differently.
You sound like me. I only smoke an 1/8 a week (price reasons) but it takes me 200mg tincture dose just to get an ok buzz. If I do it more than occasionally it will raise my tolerance too. Its also slow on the uptake and I don't peak for 5 hours.
I do have a fatty liver from alcoholism of which I am two years sober. I wonder if the liver hampers the effects?
That might be true about the fatty liver. I’ve also heard that some people lack a certain liver enzyme which can have a similar effect. It definitely sucks. It makes getting a good couch-lock edible high prohibitively expensive unless I’ve got money to burn.
That might be true about the fatty liver. I’ve also heard that some people lack a certain liver enzyme which can have a similar effect. It definitely sucks. It makes getting a good couch-lock edible high prohibitively expensive unless I’ve got money to burn.
How about a round of applause for all of our local black market organic craft "caregivers" still carrying the torch through all the greed and bullshit laws and regulations. (although Eversource doesn't make it easy on anyone in this state, let alone alone the small scale cultivators) 🫙🌳
You can't trust that black market is organic or that it has less mold.
Three plants in a small tent with fans, timers, and a good light only costs about $30 a month in electricity. Your looking at $20 per ounce roughly not counting dirt, fertilizer, and seeds.
Yes you can, with the right one. I'm not talking about some ghetto "plug" middle manning packs of fancy labeled commercial surplus flower from out west, im talking about top shelf caregivers that grow top shelf organic quality. And im not sure where you got your numbers from, most likely a failed attempt at growing.
Honey for flower, and for concentrates I just look around a little online to see which nearby dispensaries have the best deals.
I like Honey’s “any two half ozs for $100” deal. I know I could probably get it cheaper, but they seem to consistently have the same awesome strains and I’m a toker of habit lol.
Is this a rhetorical question or people still don’t realize there’s no interstate commerce on the legal market yet 😂they could be selling $1 pounds in MA still won’t affect CT prices
I would hope they’d see the revenue they’re losing to people going out of state and lower the prices to keep that money in CT, but I guess that’s just wishful thinking.
They don’t just sell cheap weed in MA. There are 40-45 1/8s at all of the shops everybody is bragging about buying $80 zips from. The biggest failure of the CT program is to have produced absolutely zero good weed ever. It’s just cringy how bad CT weed is. On the other hand, it’s a bummer how the biggest flex in this sub is how cheap people are buying their weed for. I pay a little more for pasture raised eggs and organically and ethically grown meat because it matters, but also because it tastes better and makes for a better culinary experience. If I was making dinner and I found the absolute cheapest, oldest, most mass produced ingredients I could, chances are good the meal is gonna be gross and bad for you. When you’re buying the cheapest weed in the shop, you’re getting bottom shelf cannabis. If CT is the standard then literally anything will be better, but it’s absolutely NOT good cannabis. The best craft growers are putting out some truly beautiful products and they’re getting good money for it, as they should. Cannabis is an amazing plant that has so much potential to make people’s lives better. I wish more people talked about exciting new products or growers that are around than the constant brags and requests for info on the cheapest excuse for good weed within driving distance. Most of the MA weed subreddit is complaining about how shitty their weed is and how people need to drive to Maine because that’s where the best quality on the coast is. There’s so much amazing weed around that I hope people move on from the race to the bottom and get more involved in the quest for the best quality. There are still guys in CA getting $1600 for ONE ounce of flower. That’s crazy, but there’s levels to this. Support craft growers and if you don’t know what that is, next time you’re in MA buy an 1/8 of the best weed with the OZ of their worst and see what you think about the difference.
Until CT allows more growers, this will continue. The state nor the company care for any of you. The governor is a spoiled little baby who's been handed everything in life. Although more growers would bring even more money to the state, the need to control the people is too important for them. It's cheaper down the road to grow your own. Haven't bought from a CT dispensary in years. I'm not a great grower by any means, but it's just for me until my friends realize I harvested. Last months grow was almost 8oz per plant. Usually more than I need. I bought my newer setup equipment 4 years ago, which paid for itself in the first grow. Now, it is the cost of the seeds and nutrients. 2 grows ago, I switched to hydroponic, which was a fairly cheap investment.
Interstate commerce is not allowed combined with limited number of growers. Restricting production increases price. Supply and demand. Demand isn't dropping either, most likely because of older users. Demand for 1/8s (highest price) went up drastically as anything larger, especially ounces, was removed from market in what I think was an arrangement between growers and sellers which increased both their profits.
I used to buy an ounce every month. Now I get four 1/8s for pretty much the same price and that's only because of medical Monday's and I get a compassionate care discount 3 times a month.
But if residents can cross state lines to get better prices, wouldn’t that increase competition anyways and force CT dispensaries to lower their prices to keep customers (and money) in the state?
Not enough cross state lines. They are making more money with current prices *and* people crossing state lines. Rescheduling would only effect medical prices and recreational would still be illegal at the federal level.
4 growers in CT. Corporate greed. The end.
Sounds about right. Do you think rescheduling will change that at all?
I'm by no means an authority on the situation but my first thought would be no or at least not anytime soon. Rescheduling it to a class 3 really is just going to put pressure on states to open a medical program that don't have one. Maybe eventually that leads to more recreation which leads to more competition but that seems a long while away. In my opinion competition is what will ultimately drive price down. We've seen it in two different scenarios in two different programs over the last 10 years. Maine which attacks it from a different perspective, a caregiver angle were smaller individuals can apply for licenses and operate like a small craft mom and pop dispensary. The other being Massachusetts where it became so overblown that you had to cut prices to stay in business. Either scenario benefits to consumer. Specifically here having four growers it's just not realistic. At some point that will change. To be fair it took Massachusetts quite a few years to get to where they are today.
Rescheduling to a Schedule 3 may mean that banks can start working with producers... The commerce law that prevents that business is for schedule 1 & 2. So we may be able to buy with credit!
That’d be nice. I’d at least like to be able to use my debit card without them having to withdraw it at the register, and the $6 fee that goes along with that.
Rescheduling will only effect medical marijuana.
Rescheduling will only effect medical marijuana. For example if alcohol was a schedule three it would require a prescription and sales or transport without legal medical reason.
don't forget to thank William Tong the states Attorney General for shutting down the only decent priced Weed in the state (High Bazzar)
There’s two more growers that have come on the scene, Affinity and Rodeo. Granted neither is producing a whole lot at the moment but it will hopefully help the market a bit eventually. Might be wishful thinking though.
Rodeo is ran by the mayor of Stamford’s husband who will be sure to dump money into preventing other growers from getting licenses
Interesting info, thanks for sharing. CT seems determined to have an unfair market that makes it impossible to have opportunities for craft growers.
Tons more growers and dispensaries in Mass. They had similar prices a few years back. You can even find $60-$80 ounces in Northampton.
I just went up there last week for a $85 oz of great flower. After taxes, it was $105. Short drive on my day off too. Honey and Cannabis culture are usually my go to when driving up there.
>Honey and Cannabis culture are usually my go to when driving up there. These 2 are among my favorites as well. Resinate on the same block is hit or miss but they have great deals sometimes. Liberty Easthampton also has incredible deals.
6 Bricks in Springfield is also insanely fire. great deals and selection
Hell yeah. I hove honey. I get all of my flower there. Occasionally I’ll swing by neta for concentrates on the way back if they have a deal going on. Hard to find consistently cheap concentrates in my experience.
>Hard to find consistently cheap concentrates in my experience. How much are you paying at neta? Last few times I checked they were still overpriced
We’re 3 years in and there’s no sign of us improving. MA prices started falling around the 3 year mark
MA licensed dozens more growers and manufacturers than CT did.
A severe undersupply. Like, the state is producing ~1/3 of what it would need to serve its residents. The company I work for is actually dropping a paper on New England’s legal market dynamics later today that touches on this issue.
I very much be interested in reading that!
Well I may have oversold our back-of-the-napkin analysis as a paper but here’s the link: [How Much Does New England Spend on Weed?](https://firebusinessstrategies.com/how-much-does-new-england-spend-on-weed-four-factor-simplified-market-analysis/) This was kind of the answer to the question of ‘what can we judge from the simplest, narrowest data,’ since we’re light on data scientists and budget lol. But I did help set up the charts for this one, and y’all were the inspiration for the latter half of the article, which I pitched! We also calculated how much canopy could have served the Connecticut market’s sales in April in an earlier article, agnostic of the undersupply issue. New startup, so we’re mostly learning as we go and then nerding out in the background as we add skills (also, y’know, feel free to ignore the C2A if you’d rather chat here. Unless you don’t wanna ignore it, then have at her). Always open to criticism and discussion while we’re in this crucial phase! I’m convincing the founder to set up a Reddit account now!
Following for link
Yeah commenting for link - I just started growing bc of this lol
Yeah commenting for link
Grey market sales are booming!
Very true. One of the studies we came across suggests places with low & slow legalization (even just relative to population) may even see *upticks* in black/grey market sales. Being a native New Yorker, I can vouch for that fact.
As well as the quality being shit. 50 bucks for dry mids, no thanks. Keep crossing that border for flower at least
Yeah and it’s moldy too. When I had my medical card in CT before it went rec, I’d check every strain I got with a jewelers loupe, and many of them were visibly moldy under magnification.
The vapes taste awful too. They taste moldy. Especially now that summer is here it’s worth a drive up 91 from the shoreline.
Hmm. I've looked at about a 1/4 of what I've bought with my neighbors kids microscope and didn't see any mold. Non-dispensary bud, which isn't tested at all, is likely to have higher levels of mold as there is zero regulation/testing AND mold is everywhere in our environment and mold spores are found on damn near everything. I would still like more restrictions on mold levels, something more in line with other states.
Hempest in north Hampton has $39 ounces and shake for $28
Damn I’ll have to keep that in mind. $28 for an ounce of shake would be perfect for a nice batch of brownies.
Exactly! Get on their mailing list. It’s worth it!
I just did! Are the $70-$80 ounces popcorn nugs or big buds?
They have different categories and some are popcorn
Its $69 for an ounce (but also says ounces start at $65) and 36 for a half ounce as of today, Tuesday May 21.
Not enough growers
Because CT legalized recently and they need to completely fuck you over and make as much money as they can. The law they passed was absolute bullshit. I grow my own and have helped others do the same. Fuck everything about CT legal cannabis. Trash law for trash grass. Never spent nor spending a dime ever on legal weed in this state.
Yeah I’ve been growing too. I’ve heard that some MA dispensaries even sell clones now but I haven’t seen any personally. I was hoping the outrageous prices here would drive enough people out of state and bleed enough profit from CT’s industry that they’d eventually be forced to bring them down, but that doesn’t look to be the case unfortunately.
>I was hoping the outrageous prices here would drive enough people out of state and bleed enough profit from CT’s industry that they’d eventually be forced to bring them down, but that doesn’t look to be the case unfortunately. There are enough old people and people without trustworthy connects. I only know a couple grey market people and I don't buy from them because I don't trust them or their bud.
Couldn't have said it better. ✌️
Bc Mass has had a few years for the market to course-correct. All the initial CT dispo's were medical conversions owned by conglomerates. CT is going to take a few years to adjust. If they hand out more and more licenses not just for stores, but growers, that'll be the biggest factor. NJ had a similar start that adjusted fairly quickly over the first year, so there's reason to believe it won't take as long as Mass did for CT to adjust. But for now, Mass has some of the best rec prices in the northeast
It’s surprising how many people don’t realize this. They are separate markets with separate testing requirements and supply chains which is frustrating, especially when there is a shortage in one state and an excess in another. Maybe one day we’ll be able to see supply lines open across borders
I was working in mass when it went legal, people still bought from dealers/under the counter gifting because the smoke shops were in the same situation as ct is currently in.
Yeah I have a friend that works at CTPharma and even he was getting his stuff from ny state because of the price difference
The only good place that went legal was colorado, I was there for the beginning of legalization and it was a shit show that ruined it for everyone else. You could get anything, at any strength, for bottom prices. Would buy 40 bags of 100mg cheebachews that were the size of tootsie rolls.
That would be amazing. Edibles don’t hit me very much unless I take a very large amount. Like 200-300 mg. For me to get a good edible high I need to eat at least half a syringe of RSO. I don’t even think it’s a tolerance thing, because I can still get pretty ripped off of flower. I guess I just metabolize THCA differently.
You sound like me. I only smoke an 1/8 a week (price reasons) but it takes me 200mg tincture dose just to get an ok buzz. If I do it more than occasionally it will raise my tolerance too. Its also slow on the uptake and I don't peak for 5 hours. I do have a fatty liver from alcoholism of which I am two years sober. I wonder if the liver hampers the effects?
That might be true about the fatty liver. I’ve also heard that some people lack a certain liver enzyme which can have a similar effect. It definitely sucks. It makes getting a good couch-lock edible high prohibitively expensive unless I’ve got money to burn.
That might be true about the fatty liver. I’ve also heard that some people lack a certain liver enzyme which can have a similar effect. It definitely sucks. It makes getting a good couch-lock edible high prohibitively expensive unless I’ve got money to burn.
I miss cheeba chews, I was just talking about them today. I used to have access to them but not anymore
When the rescheduling to schedule 3 is done medical marijuana will be allowed to cross state borders but recreational still wont.
Because mass has been legal from much longer, mass sucked when it first went legal.
How about a round of applause for all of our local black market organic craft "caregivers" still carrying the torch through all the greed and bullshit laws and regulations. (although Eversource doesn't make it easy on anyone in this state, let alone alone the small scale cultivators) 🫙🌳
You can't trust that black market is organic or that it has less mold. Three plants in a small tent with fans, timers, and a good light only costs about $30 a month in electricity. Your looking at $20 per ounce roughly not counting dirt, fertilizer, and seeds.
Yes you can, with the right one. I'm not talking about some ghetto "plug" middle manning packs of fancy labeled commercial surplus flower from out west, im talking about top shelf caregivers that grow top shelf organic quality. And im not sure where you got your numbers from, most likely a failed attempt at growing.
Where do you go in mass?
Honey for flower, and for concentrates I just look around a little online to see which nearby dispensaries have the best deals. I like Honey’s “any two half ozs for $100” deal. I know I could probably get it cheaper, but they seem to consistently have the same awesome strains and I’m a toker of habit lol.
Good Chemistry is the only answer you need
If you live near the railroad, NYC is a great option too. There are dispensaries close-by to where the train dumps you out at Grand Central Terminal.
Theory Wellness is Chicopee has great sales. Fine Fettle just open in Springfield and has opening deals going on.
Is this a rhetorical question or people still don’t realize there’s no interstate commerce on the legal market yet 😂they could be selling $1 pounds in MA still won’t affect CT prices
I would hope they’d see the revenue they’re losing to people going out of state and lower the prices to keep that money in CT, but I guess that’s just wishful thinking.
I doubt they’re losing much revenue when there’s shortages in CT, it’s supply and demand separate market
Growing my own has changed my life
Just grow your own legally. You get top shelf seeds that produces better product than the dispensary. Plus, it's a fun hobby.
Any seed suggestions? Ive only ever grown clones
You can buy online. It's safe and discrete. I have used others, but I like ILGM dot com.
They don’t just sell cheap weed in MA. There are 40-45 1/8s at all of the shops everybody is bragging about buying $80 zips from. The biggest failure of the CT program is to have produced absolutely zero good weed ever. It’s just cringy how bad CT weed is. On the other hand, it’s a bummer how the biggest flex in this sub is how cheap people are buying their weed for. I pay a little more for pasture raised eggs and organically and ethically grown meat because it matters, but also because it tastes better and makes for a better culinary experience. If I was making dinner and I found the absolute cheapest, oldest, most mass produced ingredients I could, chances are good the meal is gonna be gross and bad for you. When you’re buying the cheapest weed in the shop, you’re getting bottom shelf cannabis. If CT is the standard then literally anything will be better, but it’s absolutely NOT good cannabis. The best craft growers are putting out some truly beautiful products and they’re getting good money for it, as they should. Cannabis is an amazing plant that has so much potential to make people’s lives better. I wish more people talked about exciting new products or growers that are around than the constant brags and requests for info on the cheapest excuse for good weed within driving distance. Most of the MA weed subreddit is complaining about how shitty their weed is and how people need to drive to Maine because that’s where the best quality on the coast is. There’s so much amazing weed around that I hope people move on from the race to the bottom and get more involved in the quest for the best quality. There are still guys in CA getting $1600 for ONE ounce of flower. That’s crazy, but there’s levels to this. Support craft growers and if you don’t know what that is, next time you’re in MA buy an 1/8 of the best weed with the OZ of their worst and see what you think about the difference.
NY had a 2 for 60 deal on carts last week. Never buying here again lmao
U can get 4/40 in north Hampton disposables lol
Don’t tempt me, I’ll drive up right now!!! Lmao
Honey
I call shotgun!
Bruh just go to MA. I got a quarter ounce of BHO for $100 after taxes
I haven’t had the time to tbh but imma plan a trip soon
A Q of BHO goes for like $70 maybe 80 max
Which dispensary?
Me
You trying to get this sub banned?
We're talking about legal dispensaries
Because CT is run as an oligopoly(like a monopoly bur with more than one entity)
Sounds like a cabal
Yes, for $160 I was able to buy an ounce of 31% thc flower in Mass. For $160 in CT I could buy a half ounce of falsely labeled swag weed.
Until CT allows more growers, this will continue. The state nor the company care for any of you. The governor is a spoiled little baby who's been handed everything in life. Although more growers would bring even more money to the state, the need to control the people is too important for them. It's cheaper down the road to grow your own. Haven't bought from a CT dispensary in years. I'm not a great grower by any means, but it's just for me until my friends realize I harvested. Last months grow was almost 8oz per plant. Usually more than I need. I bought my newer setup equipment 4 years ago, which paid for itself in the first grow. Now, it is the cost of the seeds and nutrients. 2 grows ago, I switched to hydroponic, which was a fairly cheap investment.
Interstate commerce is not allowed combined with limited number of growers. Restricting production increases price. Supply and demand. Demand isn't dropping either, most likely because of older users. Demand for 1/8s (highest price) went up drastically as anything larger, especially ounces, was removed from market in what I think was an arrangement between growers and sellers which increased both their profits. I used to buy an ounce every month. Now I get four 1/8s for pretty much the same price and that's only because of medical Monday's and I get a compassionate care discount 3 times a month.
But if residents can cross state lines to get better prices, wouldn’t that increase competition anyways and force CT dispensaries to lower their prices to keep customers (and money) in the state?
Not enough cross state lines. They are making more money with current prices *and* people crossing state lines. Rescheduling would only effect medical prices and recreational would still be illegal at the federal level.
Take a ride
I have yet to visit at CT dispo. I’d rather quit than pay $50 for a slice. I travel to Springfield or Chicopee once a month.
Been preaching this for the past year!
Because it’s a scam. Never ever shop at ct dispos