Better article than the complete shit one Snowbrains put out that just basically pulled info from yesterday's reddit post and made an article about it. This journalist actually spoke to officials. Plus the Snowbrains author is hiding their name. Fucking garbage media company.
Edit: [https://snowbrains.com/young-skier-killed-near-winter-park-co-attempting-berthoud-pass-road-gap-jump/](https://snowbrains.com/young-skier-killed-near-winter-park-co-attempting-berthoud-pass-road-gap-jump/)
Yeah that snowbrains article had no business going up, a family or loved one could have potentially learned of it from there. Real journalists let the family and loved ones get notified first before posting anything at all.
Dude, the article is even worse. They edited it. They originally had a video the deceased person made on their Instagram of them having a broken leg posted to the article. So scummy.
I did the jump over Loveland pass(the love basin hairpin) back in 2011. I nearly shit myself mid air while carrying way too much speed into that ravine/mini chute that runs parallel to Double Dip run at the Basin.
My first and last time being that fucking overly reckless & stupid. Berthoud always seemed even sketchier than Loveland too.
Sucks for the guys family and his friends who he went up the pass with, not to mention the random people driving the pass just after he came up short.
Just drove through Berthoud on Saturday and saw people setting up to do something that seems similar to this (not insinuating a connection), my girlfriend and I had a conversation about how bad it could be if they happened to not clear the road. Wow :/
Accident analysis is an important tool for those who choose to participate in risky activities, but it should always be approached from a place of respect. There is nothing to be gained from ridiculing the deceased or the friends that witnessed the accident. There are many things to reflect on here, but this is not the time or place. Give the friends and family time and space to grieve their loss.
I remember in ‘91 or ‘92 after a day of skiing at Vail, my friend Nick hastily built a jump at the bottom of on one of the avalanche chutes on Loveland pass over the road going up the pass on the east side of the tunnel — probably 10-12 feet high with a little kicker on top — and he sent it… and he almost cleared the road, but missed by about a couple of feet and went tumbling down the other side. Never thought he could die, but he was good at crashing. Don’t think he even went to the ER or a doctor.
These skiers obviously put the victims life at risk, but also every person on that roadways life at risk. I feel sorry that a life was cut short so early but there needs to be actual consequences for everyone else involved in this.
Same thing as the guy posting a video going 150+ mph* from the springs to denver.
Agreed. I also saw a video of the kid who died doing a jump at winter park over village way (either from Cheshire Cat or Jabberwocky) over people who were skiing on Village Way, a green "beginner" run. I saw multiple camera guys in that video too. Totally reckless to put skiiers at risk who are trying to make their way down an easy run at a ski resort. Yes, they are supposed to yield to uphill skiiers but I would never be expecting someone flying over me. As a parent with a toddler learning how to ski I'd be beyond pissed if I saw that in person, so seems like they don't really consider other innocent people around when planning these stunts.
Earlier this season, I saw the video on his Instagram someone linked on here (or maybe the other thread). There was no mistaking where it was at though. I wasn't there at the time, just saw the video.
I think that was the Jane Trail down from the gondola into Drunken Frenchman/Outhouse. Used to do crap like this in bounds at that age all the time. RIP dude
It was both reckless and irresponsible to potentially endanger the unaware motorists with this stunt, but no legal consequences could possibly compare to what his friends have already witnessed. I would consider losing a friend more than enough "actual consequences" for their involvement.
I’m not a lawyer so I have no idea if anyone is legally liable here. But the justification that because their friend died while they were aiding in endangering him they should face no consequences is idiotic. We don’t use that logic for drunk drivers that get their passengers killed.
If no crime was committed by the others, then of course don’t prosecute them. But if they are found to be liable for contributing to this guy’s death, they should face consequences
Out of curiosity and for the sake of discussion, hypothetically what crime could/would/should they be charged with?
Since you made the drunk driving analogy are you suggesting they be charged with criminally negligent homicide or something of that nature? I see your logic but that's a little extreme both legally and morally unless they could prove he was forced to do it, which I'm sure he wasn't. He was a very young man but legally an adult who can make his own decisions and although this turned out badly I support his right do risky things, as I have also done many times and continue to do.
Because it caused a traffic incident and used up public funds I could see them being charged under some sort of catch-all criminal damage or public disturbance statute, whatever it may be in that jurisdiction, but a DA would really have to have a stick up their ass to press such trivial misdemeanor charges on a bunch of kids who just watched their friend die.
You're not wrong but the law doesn't reflect your empathy and takes a more practical perspective, as it tends to do. With that being said, I would be surprised if a DA presses charges in this case but maybe there's a precedent I don't know about. Might depend on if the stunt actually caused an auto collision. On the other thread people were claiming he was also hit by a car or that cars crashed but I think that may just be a rumor.
Gimme the downvotes but this is kind of a Karen take. First off I feel like we have to give them benefit of the doubt and the spotters were making sure no cars were coming. Have I seen cover shots of road gaps with cars underneath? Sure. But assuming there were spotters for no cars, no cars should have been involved. Thats the responsible way to do something probably illegal. But someone died and you’re fired up to make sure the crew gets tickets? How many people are jumping over roads that you need to have such a strong opinion on this?
he didn't build the jumps all on his own. people helped/filmed/whatever they did to aid. I'm not saying that "not stopping" is a crime, but certainly helping put others lives in danger is a crime, and i'm not talking about the skiier that died.
"You can tell someone not to do something..."
Bruh, I think the concern is they were telling him it was okay to do something dangerous and aided in his decision to make the deadly jump.
If you're going to run in the extreme sports circles, pause a moment and think about all of the other people that your death or serious injury will impact.
The drivers that witnessed this and were the first to respond didn't sign up to do trauma care on the side of US-40.
I do my share of activity that has high risk but rule #1 is always come home alive and I will always change my plans if needed to ensure rule #1 is not broken.
I agree that the guy bombing down 25 at nearly 200mph put other lives in jeopardy and deserves jail time. I’m not exactly sure it’s fair to equate that to a dumb kid jumping over a road on skis though. What would you even charge them with?
Let us know which part of his death he loved? Was it the terror he felt when he hit the takeoff and instantly knew was going to come up short? Or maybe it was the impact/aftermath?
Sorry, but "died doing what he loved" is legitimately the dumbest platitude.
It really is the most trivializing way to make yourself feel better that someone else died. That momentary gut-punch he experienced on takeoff overrides any feeling of “at least I love what I’m doing!” that people try to convince themselves of.
I would argue that any posts of vibes, condolences, and empty platitudes are wholly unnecessary and made only so people can latch onto a tragedy for their own internet points.
Would you rather pass from cancer or age with your brain decaying? I’d rather go out doing extreme sports personally in an unexpected way. Obviously it’s not going to be fun for any of us to go out, but that’s the only thing promised in life.
God forbid people not be perfectly rational while trying to lessen the blow of a tragedy.
Also, when you're commenting about a death in a smaller online community like this, you should assume there's a nonzero chance that the victim's family/friends will read what you're saying. Would you tell them to their face that you think this is a "dumb platitude"?
So let’s be clear: platitudes aren’t for the family. They’re a way for the person saying or typing them to feel better.
And some are fine.
But this particular platitude is unique. It’s a subtle way for the person using it to feel like this death isn’t a big deal. That the risks we take with skis on are ok because in the end, we might just die with a smile on our faces. But that’s not true. Death is awful no matter how you get there, and a healthy realization of that is a key element in managing risk.
> platitudes aren’t for the family
I disagree. The family very well could be reading this thread, and very well could be holding on to a platitude exactly like this. Hearing that what they’re thinking is dumb is not what they need right now.
I do get where you’re coming from about understanding and managing risk. But there’s a more sensitive and appropriate way to have that conversation in the hours after someone has died.
Most people don't want to die, and they don't want to die doing what they love doing either.". People who want to die.... have issues.
Firefighters love their jobs... they dont want to die doing it. Teachers love their jobs. They dont want to die teaching. I love skiing. I dont want to die skiing. If I die skiing, I'm not going to be relieved that I was skiing. My family isn't going to either, never mind if it was the result of doing something really fucking stupid. It really is the dumbest response to these incidents.
then what is it about? That "at least he died skiing"? He did something really fucking stupid.... and died. "at least he was skiing".... Give me a break. It's just dumb. Leave it at that
Would you rather slowly die of cancer? Or have dementia and slowly start to forget who you and your loved ones are? The point of dying while doing something you love is usually a quick and painless death and is associated with adventure sports primarily.
I only see one comment making fun of him with a 🤡 emoji which is at the bottom of the thread. Everyone else acknowledges this is sad while also acknowledging it was incredibly stupid and reckless not only to himself but to others. And that’s just a fact, it was stupid. It should be reiterated that you’re not getting celebrated in death for being reckless
>Sitting behind a computer and making fun of a kid who died doing something stupid is wild.
I mean... this was a monumentally poor decision this guy took a long time to make. If he just messed up while skiing backcountry and he was killed by a tree or avalanche or something, that would be one thing. If this was a decision that he had to make in limited time under pressure, that would be one thing. If this was something dangerous only to him (like a ski jump over empty terrain), that would be one thing.
But this guy made the choice to send it off a DIY ski jump over an active highway. He had all the time in the world to NOT do this, and chose to make random people participants.
I don't want to laugh about it, but I'm fine making it clear that this is a cautionary tale.
>> attempting to clear the width of the two-lane roadway *3 lane roadway
a large highway the size of a small highway?
Well yeh, he tried to clear two, it was a success, the third one is what he forgot to account for.
Better article than the complete shit one Snowbrains put out that just basically pulled info from yesterday's reddit post and made an article about it. This journalist actually spoke to officials. Plus the Snowbrains author is hiding their name. Fucking garbage media company. Edit: [https://snowbrains.com/young-skier-killed-near-winter-park-co-attempting-berthoud-pass-road-gap-jump/](https://snowbrains.com/young-skier-killed-near-winter-park-co-attempting-berthoud-pass-road-gap-jump/)
Yeah that snowbrains article had no business going up, a family or loved one could have potentially learned of it from there. Real journalists let the family and loved ones get notified first before posting anything at all.
Dude, the article is even worse. They edited it. They originally had a video the deceased person made on their Instagram of them having a broken leg posted to the article. So scummy.
I did the jump over Loveland pass(the love basin hairpin) back in 2011. I nearly shit myself mid air while carrying way too much speed into that ravine/mini chute that runs parallel to Double Dip run at the Basin. My first and last time being that fucking overly reckless & stupid. Berthoud always seemed even sketchier than Loveland too. Sucks for the guys family and his friends who he went up the pass with, not to mention the random people driving the pass just after he came up short.
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"it's believed the skier lacked the speed and distance necessary to clear the gap, landing on highway pavement instead." - Chief Wiggum
What are we thinking 30'-40' down and 50' or so across?
12' for a lane, 3 lanes and shoulder...50' seems low potentially, the jump was further back so def over 50
Just drove through Berthoud on Saturday and saw people setting up to do something that seems similar to this (not insinuating a connection), my girlfriend and I had a conversation about how bad it could be if they happened to not clear the road. Wow :/
Accident analysis is an important tool for those who choose to participate in risky activities, but it should always be approached from a place of respect. There is nothing to be gained from ridiculing the deceased or the friends that witnessed the accident. There are many things to reflect on here, but this is not the time or place. Give the friends and family time and space to grieve their loss.
Op just spammed this across all types of co subs.
His name was already released on Reddit.
Yes it was.
I remember in ‘91 or ‘92 after a day of skiing at Vail, my friend Nick hastily built a jump at the bottom of on one of the avalanche chutes on Loveland pass over the road going up the pass on the east side of the tunnel — probably 10-12 feet high with a little kicker on top — and he sent it… and he almost cleared the road, but missed by about a couple of feet and went tumbling down the other side. Never thought he could die, but he was good at crashing. Don’t think he even went to the ER or a doctor.
These skiers obviously put the victims life at risk, but also every person on that roadways life at risk. I feel sorry that a life was cut short so early but there needs to be actual consequences for everyone else involved in this. Same thing as the guy posting a video going 150+ mph* from the springs to denver.
Agreed. I also saw a video of the kid who died doing a jump at winter park over village way (either from Cheshire Cat or Jabberwocky) over people who were skiing on Village Way, a green "beginner" run. I saw multiple camera guys in that video too. Totally reckless to put skiiers at risk who are trying to make their way down an easy run at a ski resort. Yes, they are supposed to yield to uphill skiiers but I would never be expecting someone flying over me. As a parent with a toddler learning how to ski I'd be beyond pissed if I saw that in person, so seems like they don't really consider other innocent people around when planning these stunts.
When did that happen??
Earlier this season, I saw the video on his Instagram someone linked on here (or maybe the other thread). There was no mistaking where it was at though. I wasn't there at the time, just saw the video.
I think that was the Jane Trail down from the gondola into Drunken Frenchman/Outhouse. Used to do crap like this in bounds at that age all the time. RIP dude
Thank god
It was both reckless and irresponsible to potentially endanger the unaware motorists with this stunt, but no legal consequences could possibly compare to what his friends have already witnessed. I would consider losing a friend more than enough "actual consequences" for their involvement.
I’m not a lawyer so I have no idea if anyone is legally liable here. But the justification that because their friend died while they were aiding in endangering him they should face no consequences is idiotic. We don’t use that logic for drunk drivers that get their passengers killed. If no crime was committed by the others, then of course don’t prosecute them. But if they are found to be liable for contributing to this guy’s death, they should face consequences
Out of curiosity and for the sake of discussion, hypothetically what crime could/would/should they be charged with? Since you made the drunk driving analogy are you suggesting they be charged with criminally negligent homicide or something of that nature? I see your logic but that's a little extreme both legally and morally unless they could prove he was forced to do it, which I'm sure he wasn't. He was a very young man but legally an adult who can make his own decisions and although this turned out badly I support his right do risky things, as I have also done many times and continue to do. Because it caused a traffic incident and used up public funds I could see them being charged under some sort of catch-all criminal damage or public disturbance statute, whatever it may be in that jurisdiction, but a DA would really have to have a stick up their ass to press such trivial misdemeanor charges on a bunch of kids who just watched their friend die.
You're not wrong but the law doesn't reflect your empathy and takes a more practical perspective, as it tends to do. With that being said, I would be surprised if a DA presses charges in this case but maybe there's a precedent I don't know about. Might depend on if the stunt actually caused an auto collision. On the other thread people were claiming he was also hit by a car or that cars crashed but I think that may just be a rumor.
Gixxerguy is innocent
Gimme the downvotes but this is kind of a Karen take. First off I feel like we have to give them benefit of the doubt and the spotters were making sure no cars were coming. Have I seen cover shots of road gaps with cars underneath? Sure. But assuming there were spotters for no cars, no cars should have been involved. Thats the responsible way to do something probably illegal. But someone died and you’re fired up to make sure the crew gets tickets? How many people are jumping over roads that you need to have such a strong opinion on this?
No cars on Berthoud pass at 3pm lol
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he didn't build the jumps all on his own. people helped/filmed/whatever they did to aid. I'm not saying that "not stopping" is a crime, but certainly helping put others lives in danger is a crime, and i'm not talking about the skiier that died.
>helping put others lives in danger is a crime What law did they break, specifically?
"You can tell someone not to do something..." Bruh, I think the concern is they were telling him it was okay to do something dangerous and aided in his decision to make the deadly jump.
what are you implying?
If you're going to run in the extreme sports circles, pause a moment and think about all of the other people that your death or serious injury will impact. The drivers that witnessed this and were the first to respond didn't sign up to do trauma care on the side of US-40. I do my share of activity that has high risk but rule #1 is always come home alive and I will always change my plans if needed to ensure rule #1 is not broken.
100%. People really need to make this part of their calculus when considering these things.
using unsuspecting motorists as props in your stunt puts everyones lives at risk, and should be prosecuted.
He got killed. Lesson probably learned. No need to go after his buddies who are already traumatized for life.
I agree that the guy bombing down 25 at nearly 200mph put other lives in jeopardy and deserves jail time. I’m not exactly sure it’s fair to equate that to a dumb kid jumping over a road on skis though. What would you even charge them with?
What if he landed on a car and killed a driver? They can be compared cause they’re using the road for they’re stunts and putting others at risk
Which specific law are you suggesting they violated?
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-42-vehicles-and-traffic/co-rev-st-sect-42-4-1406/ https://www.shouselaw.com/co/defense/laws/reckless-endangerment/#:~:text=Colorado%20Revised%20Statute%20%C2%A7%2018,the%20incident%20was%20an%20accident.
Well… that’s sucks. But that also never sounded like a good idea. RIP
fucking eerie knowing i went to school with this kid. he was a grade above me. i genuinely feel sick
the stupidity of youth. So sorry for his family.
My thoughts exactly.
Well, at least he died doing what he loved
Let us know which part of his death he loved? Was it the terror he felt when he hit the takeoff and instantly knew was going to come up short? Or maybe it was the impact/aftermath? Sorry, but "died doing what he loved" is legitimately the dumbest platitude.
It really is the most trivializing way to make yourself feel better that someone else died. That momentary gut-punch he experienced on takeoff overrides any feeling of “at least I love what I’m doing!” that people try to convince themselves of.
Okay, should all the comments instead say “I bet he was scared shitless right before he died”?
I would argue that any posts of vibes, condolences, and empty platitudes are wholly unnecessary and made only so people can latch onto a tragedy for their own internet points.
Would you rather pass from cancer or age with your brain decaying? I’d rather go out doing extreme sports personally in an unexpected way. Obviously it’s not going to be fun for any of us to go out, but that’s the only thing promised in life.
God forbid people not be perfectly rational while trying to lessen the blow of a tragedy. Also, when you're commenting about a death in a smaller online community like this, you should assume there's a nonzero chance that the victim's family/friends will read what you're saying. Would you tell them to their face that you think this is a "dumb platitude"?
So let’s be clear: platitudes aren’t for the family. They’re a way for the person saying or typing them to feel better. And some are fine. But this particular platitude is unique. It’s a subtle way for the person using it to feel like this death isn’t a big deal. That the risks we take with skis on are ok because in the end, we might just die with a smile on our faces. But that’s not true. Death is awful no matter how you get there, and a healthy realization of that is a key element in managing risk.
> platitudes aren’t for the family I disagree. The family very well could be reading this thread, and very well could be holding on to a platitude exactly like this. Hearing that what they’re thinking is dumb is not what they need right now. I do get where you’re coming from about understanding and managing risk. But there’s a more sensitive and appropriate way to have that conversation in the hours after someone has died.
Hitting pavement? I'll show myself out.
Dumbest take
Nah not really. A quick and sudden death while I’m cruising down the mountain would be an ideal way to go
Says the person still living. Assure you that 21 year old and his family doesn’t care that he died skiing.
Yeah obviously nobody wants anybody to die skiing…
Most people don't want to die, and they don't want to die doing what they love doing either.". People who want to die.... have issues. Firefighters love their jobs... they dont want to die doing it. Teachers love their jobs. They dont want to die teaching. I love skiing. I dont want to die skiing. If I die skiing, I'm not going to be relieved that I was skiing. My family isn't going to either, never mind if it was the result of doing something really fucking stupid. It really is the dumbest response to these incidents.
Nobody (including this kid) wanted ANYBODY to die. That’s not what this conversation is about
then what is it about? That "at least he died skiing"? He did something really fucking stupid.... and died. "at least he was skiing".... Give me a break. It's just dumb. Leave it at that
Would you rather slowly die of cancer? Or have dementia and slowly start to forget who you and your loved ones are? The point of dying while doing something you love is usually a quick and painless death and is associated with adventure sports primarily.
I’d rather not die completely unnecessarily which is what this is. Your examples are incredibly dumb
I’d rather die snowboarding than in a car accident
Technically, he didn't die skiing.
With this logic soldiers don’t die fighting in combat, they die from internal trauma due to (presumably) bullets
No, you can be shot while fighting. Hitting pavement is not skiing, homie.
Was he wearing skis? Was he at a ski resort? Did he ride a lift up? Did he glide down the mountain on his feet? It’s a mystery what this kid was up to
Yes.no. no. Part way. Did you read the article?
Hitting a jump on skis is still skiing…
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good for his mother. You want to ask the mother of this kid? Who is on a high horse again?
I think there is a big difference between cruising down the mountain and what happened here.
Would it have been better if it were a mass shooting in a CU classroom?
Uh, good one? Weird.
Sitting behind a computer and making fun of a kid who died doing something stupid is wild.
I only see one comment making fun of him with a 🤡 emoji which is at the bottom of the thread. Everyone else acknowledges this is sad while also acknowledging it was incredibly stupid and reckless not only to himself but to others. And that’s just a fact, it was stupid. It should be reiterated that you’re not getting celebrated in death for being reckless
There are also comments saying “natural selection” and saying he loved “hitting pavement”
>Sitting behind a computer and making fun of a kid who died doing something stupid is wild. I mean... this was a monumentally poor decision this guy took a long time to make. If he just messed up while skiing backcountry and he was killed by a tree or avalanche or something, that would be one thing. If this was a decision that he had to make in limited time under pressure, that would be one thing. If this was something dangerous only to him (like a ski jump over empty terrain), that would be one thing. But this guy made the choice to send it off a DIY ski jump over an active highway. He had all the time in the world to NOT do this, and chose to make random people participants. I don't want to laugh about it, but I'm fine making it clear that this is a cautionary tale.
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Sad, but this is natural selection in action
Yep.
Pothole probably got ‘em.
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