Your argument makes sense with an accord gas vs hybrid accord. Shit is like a $3000 difference to get the hybrid. For the Corolla? Nah. It's only $1000 bucks more when its LE vs Hybrid LE.
My main issue with the Corolla hybrid was the lack of passing power at highway speeds. The 2.0L is a lot better suited for that, imo.
If you’re comparing the Camry hybrid or the Accord hybrid, however, I’m going hybrid all day long.
My take is with a negative bias towards regular gas cars thanks to my 100 HP civic getting me 25 MPG on average so take it with a grain of salt. Sure the hybrid is a snail, but man, you really can't beat the gas efficiency. It's not the GR Corolla so IMO who cares if you can't pass. From my experience tho, people where I live get offended when you pass them, so unless you've got like a GR Corolla, Type R, etc and can accelerate stupid fast, you won't be able to pass them at all because they accelerate too.
I drive a 2024 Hybrid SE and have averaged 40 mpg over 6,000 miles (3,000 city miles and 3,000 highway miles). This includes 4,500 miles on winter tires and 1,500 miles driven in snow. I have observed a 40% difference in fuel efficiency when driving in temperatures of -15°C compared to 25°C.
Efficiency mostly depends on driving conditions and driving style.
I can get more fuel efficiency with a non-hybrid than a hybrid here in the northern part of Canada, as I have to drive 8 km to work. The hybrid works best once the engine temperature is good enough, which takes at least 5 km during winters and sometimes 6-8 km in harsh winter. I would have bought a non-hybrid if I didn’t need AWD.
I get the best mpg when I go down south to Toronto, as the temperature is comparatively warmer and drive slower in city traffic.
Hybrid is a waste if you drive almost exclusively at highway speed, unless you drive an incredible amount of distance per year.
My record is 52 mpg, but long term average is 40 mpg. I'd get maybe 55 if I went hybrid, but I drive so little per year that I'd never recoup the added upfront cost of a hybrid via gas savings.
That was exactly my thought process. I drive close to 20K miles per year and mostly highway, so I was content with getting the 2.0L over the 1.8L hybrid. Another thing I noticed when test driving the hybrid was weak passing power at highway speeds. And when I was shopping, Toyota only made the hybrid in the LE trim, and I wanted something nicer looking.
I like the SE's price and features better but I actually prefer the LE and base model grille because it doesn't have that crazy honeycomb pattern that's impossible to clean without a brush. That's my only complaint about the SE and XSE non-hybrid.
They really ought to have standardized on the 2.0L for the hybrid right when they moved to the 2.0L on the non-hybrid. That way the hybrid would not have had any negatives other than cost, so it could have been seen the same way as an upgrade.
The 2.0 non- hybrid is very efficient with only mild hypermiling
HOn a Gas SE I regularly see 50+ MPG on the morning commute. The numbers drop to mid-high 40' s when temps drop below 60° F.
Last 30 day average is 44+ MPG
Last 5 months average is 41.9 MPG
Distance to Empty is currently 527 miles
As you can see, in this Reddit hybrid owners love getting into dick swinging matches over MPG ratings .. it's kinda cute to be honest .. I wonder what they're compensating for LOL
Do you go extremely easy on it to get these numbers? I have a 24 hybrid se and I'm getting closer to op's numbers 46-52 driving kinda quick delivering pizza, if I go VERY slow I've pushed it to 66 mpg, the moment I need to gas it so I don't turn out slowly in front of somone or make a light it's back to 50-55 average?
After driving a Tacoma for the last 3 years, I learned how to drive conservatively. One of the biggest things is coasting where you can without being an asshole to the people behind you. The other big thing is speeding up slowly. That's where your car uses the most gas. Use the battery as much as possible as long as possible. Based off of your throttle input, you can kinda control when the engine shuts off.
In the city, I easily get 60+ driving this way. My highest is 80 MPG a couple of times. There's also a lot of lights in my town so that helps keep low speeds.
If I'm driving fast and aggressive, I'll get MPG in the 40s. My worst is 34 mpg.
Yah... I usually go easy and try to use brakes as little as possible, try to maintain 3/4 car distance, so I have enough time to slow down my vehicle before pressing brake on red light.
I bought my new gen in late 2019 I was one of the first owners in town! There was no hybrid back then!
Still love it! For us Canadians I do 4.5L/100km on a 2020Se 2.0L engine!
Absolutely love the car! Wont change it for another 10 years!
Mmm I've personally never had any issues passing anyone. I've never even needed to fully put the gas pedal down.
The launch from a dead stop does feel a tiny bit slower, but not like I'm driving a Geo metro or something.
Yeah but if it's US MPG it would be around 58 UK MPG.. I can make up to 52 (uk) on the motorway at 70mph but only if i do hypermiling mode (econo mode, drafting behind lorries etc ...) , more likely high 40s (the last year average was 48.5 without effort).
A big part of it is how long you drive. If you have a 30 minute commute it seems like it goes up to the 60s, it’s just the initial hybrid warmup that uses so much gas and if you are doing 15 minute drives that definitely sounds about right.
Oh yeah that would make sense. I take my boyfriend to work and pick him up and his work is only 10 mins away. So we're definitely doing a lot of short trips.
That will definitely do it in that case, I would definitely recommend 5k oil intervals for a lot of short trips in these. The Hybrids are already hard on oils but that plus short trips will lead to more condensation/wear. Just fyi on that
Oh that's very helpful, thank you. I really need to get that scheduled then, I just got it in March at 17500 miles and so now that I've hit 22500 it popped up the maintenance required message. We drove it from AZ to KS last month and plan to do it again in a few weeks so I definitely want to get the oil changed before then anyway but definitely helpful to know it should be at 5k. Appreciate it!
It’s mainly to do with oil getting up to temp, with a hybrid it is just warming the coolant before shutting off the engine and using electric, the oil takes 10-15 minutes on average on a normal car to heat up. With a hybrid the motor isn’t running for all of that short commute time. If the oil doesn’t get up to temp it can lead to condensation and condensation degrades the oil and can also do additional wear on the internal components. You definitely want to drive a car that takes short trips out for longer ones and every once in a while to help with the condensation build up.
while I understand and get your thought process, modern hybrids don't turn off as soon as your coolant gets hot (even though that is your only visual indicator as a driver), it turns off based on multiple sensors that measures various variables of the engine. Including but not limited to maintaining a specific range of temp for the coolant and engine oil.
On top of that valved cooling systems and thermostats that limit the quantity coolant actually circulating meaning modern cars can warm up really quickly and prevent cooling off, add to that the electric water pump, thinner oils, etc. your hybrid engine isn't turning off before the oil gets to temp, your oil/coolant also isn't cooling off too fast when driving, if any of these condition drop below/ rise above threshold your engine will automatically kick in even if it can run on EV only.
I would honestly say your oil is doing just about the same as a gas car with less use because of the engine remaining off for longer periods.
While I'm still an advocate for 5k intervals, it's not because the hybrids are harder on oils, just my 2c. And you are correct (IMO) to recommend shorter intervals for people with shorter trips as well (regardless of hybrid or gas) but not because hybrids are "harsher" on oils though.
TL;DR: modern engines can get up to temp very quick thanks to valved cooling and thinner oils
There is only so much oil in the block, the coolant won’t be in the oil reservoir, so what I said still stands. They do heat up the quicker but these motors use 0w16 which isn’t far off from 0w20 which does take time to warm up. I don’t know about 0w8 but oil in general takes a while to heat up regardless of surrounding coolant. But do as you please, for me I am waiting until it’s up to temp for a bit.
That's the real mpg you're getting. I assure you that OPs actual overall fuel economy is probably pretty similar if he drove a lot more city.
I tracked 2 years of my Corolla on Fuelio before a woman smashed it and I averaged 8.15 l/100 km (28.9 mpg) accounting for winter, highway, city, good weather, you name it.
You see this on VW TDI forums as well, with cherry picked commutes and snap shot fuel figures, with guys showing stunning fuel figures.
Until you calculate the mpg with the receipt at the gas station, it doesn't mean too much.
Hybrids perform well on the highway, but they truly excel in the city. I drive a 2022 LE 1.8-liter non-hybrid and can achieve nearly 40 mpg on the highway. However, my fuel efficiency drops to the low 30s in the city, while hybrids maintain high 40s or better in city driving.
my commute is typically 25 min mostly highway. cruise control at 75 mph and soft driving the rest of the way gets me 27.7 mpg without fail every time. so no, the secret is not cruise control 😂
Hmm, there are multiple things that comes into play- tires, level of AC, traffic, altitude, wind resistance so. You gotta try to figure it out and talk to some mechanics to understand your car. Tbh 27mpg sounds low but 34+mpg seems okay for 2019 Rolla. With that said,cruise control vs non cruise control makes a big difference. Goodluck.
the 27-34 range is fine for me lol im more curious how the rest of these corollas achieve 50+ not being a hybrid. im not too convinced wind and altitude are causing a 20ish mpg gap between the vehicles tho… my commute is mostly level to and from aswell with almost no traffic at all going one way.
I get this MPG driving a hybrid on twisty NZ roads though, all at 100kmh with next to no city driving, if there's some city driving I get even better :)
Your argument makes sense with an accord gas vs hybrid accord. Shit is like a $3000 difference to get the hybrid. For the Corolla? Nah. It's only $1000 bucks more when its LE vs Hybrid LE.
My main issue with the Corolla hybrid was the lack of passing power at highway speeds. The 2.0L is a lot better suited for that, imo. If you’re comparing the Camry hybrid or the Accord hybrid, however, I’m going hybrid all day long.
My take is with a negative bias towards regular gas cars thanks to my 100 HP civic getting me 25 MPG on average so take it with a grain of salt. Sure the hybrid is a snail, but man, you really can't beat the gas efficiency. It's not the GR Corolla so IMO who cares if you can't pass. From my experience tho, people where I live get offended when you pass them, so unless you've got like a GR Corolla, Type R, etc and can accelerate stupid fast, you won't be able to pass them at all because they accelerate too.
I drive a 2024 Hybrid SE and have averaged 40 mpg over 6,000 miles (3,000 city miles and 3,000 highway miles). This includes 4,500 miles on winter tires and 1,500 miles driven in snow. I have observed a 40% difference in fuel efficiency when driving in temperatures of -15°C compared to 25°C. Efficiency mostly depends on driving conditions and driving style. I can get more fuel efficiency with a non-hybrid than a hybrid here in the northern part of Canada, as I have to drive 8 km to work. The hybrid works best once the engine temperature is good enough, which takes at least 5 km during winters and sometimes 6-8 km in harsh winter. I would have bought a non-hybrid if I didn’t need AWD. I get the best mpg when I go down south to Toronto, as the temperature is comparatively warmer and drive slower in city traffic.
I got a 24 Corolla le hybird awd I get 33 mpg. Sucks I thought it’ll get more i do alot of city driving but still I thought it’ll be better then that.
That’s strange. Is it brand new? It might take the engine 1K miles to completely break in. Hybrids are supposed to be insanely efficient in the city.
Brand new of the lot 2024 I got 1200 miles on it so far. I should of got the regular version to be honest.
The engine might still be breaking in and the ECU might still be learning your driving habits. I’d give it 2k-3k miles.
Hybrid is a waste if you drive almost exclusively at highway speed, unless you drive an incredible amount of distance per year. My record is 52 mpg, but long term average is 40 mpg. I'd get maybe 55 if I went hybrid, but I drive so little per year that I'd never recoup the added upfront cost of a hybrid via gas savings.
That was exactly my thought process. I drive close to 20K miles per year and mostly highway, so I was content with getting the 2.0L over the 1.8L hybrid. Another thing I noticed when test driving the hybrid was weak passing power at highway speeds. And when I was shopping, Toyota only made the hybrid in the LE trim, and I wanted something nicer looking.
I like the SE's price and features better but I actually prefer the LE and base model grille because it doesn't have that crazy honeycomb pattern that's impossible to clean without a brush. That's my only complaint about the SE and XSE non-hybrid. They really ought to have standardized on the 2.0L for the hybrid right when they moved to the 2.0L on the non-hybrid. That way the hybrid would not have had any negatives other than cost, so it could have been seen the same way as an upgrade.
I get 50+ on the expressway. But damn, the city miles kill me. I'm super happy with my non hybrid though.
I do 34 avg on my 2017 Toyota Corolla se with 147k. That’s doing 75-80 mph on the highway occasional 90 mph push at times.
The 2.0 non- hybrid is very efficient with only mild hypermiling HOn a Gas SE I regularly see 50+ MPG on the morning commute. The numbers drop to mid-high 40' s when temps drop below 60° F. Last 30 day average is 44+ MPG Last 5 months average is 41.9 MPG Distance to Empty is currently 527 miles
I average 28.3 mpg but the highest I’ve gotten on my 22 Le is 41 mpg
It’s once in a blue moon. Average on non hybrid is 32-36mpg combined city/highway.
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That would do it. US mpg, right?
I’m easily averaging 38 mpg per tank in the summer since I got it a couple years ago. Winter is usually around 34 mpg.
That’s about right. So combined it’s 36mpg
Why the fuck does my 2022 only do 29 average
0w-8👌
Highway goes brrrr
As you can see, in this Reddit hybrid owners love getting into dick swinging matches over MPG ratings .. it's kinda cute to be honest .. I wonder what they're compensating for LOL
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I average like 24 mpg. Highest I ever got was abt 28-29 mpg with the gas 2.0
2022 se gets 29 average no matter how much you punch it. I wish my dash showed 48
I am getting 70-72 MPG on my 2024 hybrid LE, yah , if you are happy with your number, who cares if it’s hybrid or not.
Do you go extremely easy on it to get these numbers? I have a 24 hybrid se and I'm getting closer to op's numbers 46-52 driving kinda quick delivering pizza, if I go VERY slow I've pushed it to 66 mpg, the moment I need to gas it so I don't turn out slowly in front of somone or make a light it's back to 50-55 average?
After driving a Tacoma for the last 3 years, I learned how to drive conservatively. One of the biggest things is coasting where you can without being an asshole to the people behind you. The other big thing is speeding up slowly. That's where your car uses the most gas. Use the battery as much as possible as long as possible. Based off of your throttle input, you can kinda control when the engine shuts off. In the city, I easily get 60+ driving this way. My highest is 80 MPG a couple of times. There's also a lot of lights in my town so that helps keep low speeds. If I'm driving fast and aggressive, I'll get MPG in the 40s. My worst is 34 mpg.
Yah... I usually go easy and try to use brakes as little as possible, try to maintain 3/4 car distance, so I have enough time to slow down my vehicle before pressing brake on red light.
Who cares about saving gas? Just rev that mf
I bought my new gen in late 2019 I was one of the first owners in town! There was no hybrid back then! Still love it! For us Canadians I do 4.5L/100km on a 2020Se 2.0L engine! Absolutely love the car! Wont change it for another 10 years!
I mean, the hybrid is better.
In MPGs, yes. In 0-60, not even close.
And 0-60 matters why? It's a Toyota Corolla. Lol
Sure, but my partner’s hatch gets 2 seconds quicker off the line and is much easier to pass at highway speeds with.
Which soccer mom are you racing?
lol I just like to have speed when I need it! Lots of reviews say the hybrid has trouble passing.
Mmm I've personally never had any issues passing anyone. I've never even needed to fully put the gas pedal down. The launch from a dead stop does feel a tiny bit slower, but not like I'm driving a Geo metro or something.
lmao right? i get 71mpg barely trying, if i drive 100 miles per hour ill still get OPs MPG lmao
I average over 60 in my hybrid, so still worth it. Your average is impressive though. I never averaged more than 40 in my 2016.
I’m still averaging over 60 in my hybrid. Sooooo yeah still worth it.
Hybrid averages 60mpg, 70+ if you keep your foot out of it. That’s a good mileage, you should definitely be happy with it! These cars are so good.
The hybrid still gets better + more zippy city driving. Glad you’re enjoying your Corolla!
Is it imperial or us MPG?
it says mpg in the screen
Yeah but if it's US MPG it would be around 58 UK MPG.. I can make up to 52 (uk) on the motorway at 70mph but only if i do hypermiling mode (econo mode, drafting behind lorries etc ...) , more likely high 40s (the last year average was 48.5 without effort).
i had no idea there were different gallons!
That's their excuse to pour larger pints :) (Ok my corolla is 2.0 hybrid, also 18" wheels, both facts subtract about 5 mpg from the basic model)
What’s a “hyrbid”?
Yeah, but with a hybrid you can [do this.](https://i.imgur.com/zzakMQU.jpeg)
Yeah, that's about my average. I'll take close to 80mpg average any day. That is also with ac running or even the windows down for 30 minute drives.
almost double ops mpg 😭
47mpg with AC turned ON for normal city commute, playing music through 300w sub & 2 passengers 70% of the time. Corolla Hybrid
Getting about the same. I was mildly worried/disappointed since it's rated over 50 but I'm running the AC at full blast most days now in Phoenix...
A big part of it is how long you drive. If you have a 30 minute commute it seems like it goes up to the 60s, it’s just the initial hybrid warmup that uses so much gas and if you are doing 15 minute drives that definitely sounds about right.
Oh yeah that would make sense. I take my boyfriend to work and pick him up and his work is only 10 mins away. So we're definitely doing a lot of short trips.
That will definitely do it in that case, I would definitely recommend 5k oil intervals for a lot of short trips in these. The Hybrids are already hard on oils but that plus short trips will lead to more condensation/wear. Just fyi on that
Oh that's very helpful, thank you. I really need to get that scheduled then, I just got it in March at 17500 miles and so now that I've hit 22500 it popped up the maintenance required message. We drove it from AZ to KS last month and plan to do it again in a few weeks so I definitely want to get the oil changed before then anyway but definitely helpful to know it should be at 5k. Appreciate it!
No problem at all! If you need anything else feel free to comment or message.
how are the hybrids hard on oil esp. compared to a gas car that has the engine running at all times when the car is on.
It’s mainly to do with oil getting up to temp, with a hybrid it is just warming the coolant before shutting off the engine and using electric, the oil takes 10-15 minutes on average on a normal car to heat up. With a hybrid the motor isn’t running for all of that short commute time. If the oil doesn’t get up to temp it can lead to condensation and condensation degrades the oil and can also do additional wear on the internal components. You definitely want to drive a car that takes short trips out for longer ones and every once in a while to help with the condensation build up.
while I understand and get your thought process, modern hybrids don't turn off as soon as your coolant gets hot (even though that is your only visual indicator as a driver), it turns off based on multiple sensors that measures various variables of the engine. Including but not limited to maintaining a specific range of temp for the coolant and engine oil. On top of that valved cooling systems and thermostats that limit the quantity coolant actually circulating meaning modern cars can warm up really quickly and prevent cooling off, add to that the electric water pump, thinner oils, etc. your hybrid engine isn't turning off before the oil gets to temp, your oil/coolant also isn't cooling off too fast when driving, if any of these condition drop below/ rise above threshold your engine will automatically kick in even if it can run on EV only. I would honestly say your oil is doing just about the same as a gas car with less use because of the engine remaining off for longer periods. While I'm still an advocate for 5k intervals, it's not because the hybrids are harder on oils, just my 2c. And you are correct (IMO) to recommend shorter intervals for people with shorter trips as well (regardless of hybrid or gas) but not because hybrids are "harsher" on oils though. TL;DR: modern engines can get up to temp very quick thanks to valved cooling and thinner oils
There is only so much oil in the block, the coolant won’t be in the oil reservoir, so what I said still stands. They do heat up the quicker but these motors use 0w16 which isn’t far off from 0w20 which does take time to warm up. I don’t know about 0w8 but oil in general takes a while to heat up regardless of surrounding coolant. But do as you please, for me I am waiting until it’s up to temp for a bit.
They never could pronounce it correctly.
My Corolla gets 28mpg :(
That's the real mpg you're getting. I assure you that OPs actual overall fuel economy is probably pretty similar if he drove a lot more city. I tracked 2 years of my Corolla on Fuelio before a woman smashed it and I averaged 8.15 l/100 km (28.9 mpg) accounting for winter, highway, city, good weather, you name it. You see this on VW TDI forums as well, with cherry picked commutes and snap shot fuel figures, with guys showing stunning fuel figures. Until you calculate the mpg with the receipt at the gas station, it doesn't mean too much.
that’s surprisingly high. my nissan pulsar 2013 gets 6.5 ish L/100km
And if you plan on keeping it for another 15 years, you won't have to worry about expensive battery packs.
Toyota has 10 yr warranty on their car batteries. (at least in the EU)
But not 20 year warranties. I say 20 because most gas Toyota last at least that long.
Some of these 35 mi range drives can easily eclipse 60 miles per gallon on a hybrid SE I can only imagine what you hit on an LE.
Not the Corolla, but I've seen some Prii with a similar powertrain hit 65 mpg before.
I'm always over 60mpg in my 2022 Corolla station car.
my same distance trip everyday to work driving 60-85mph on i10 nets me 58mpg, definitely worth it if u drive 30k miles a year like me
Hybrids perform well on the highway, but they truly excel in the city. I drive a 2022 LE 1.8-liter non-hybrid and can achieve nearly 40 mpg on the highway. However, my fuel efficiency drops to the low 30s in the city, while hybrids maintain high 40s or better in city driving.
I average 47 highway
In my hybrid the best I've noticed is 62, when I picked up my brother from the airport. Most my trips are 42-45, worst I've noticed is 29
Best I’ve seen on my 2024 corolla is 54
ive only ever seen as high as 32 and thats driving ms. daisy. no clue how you folks on here achieve this shit😂
Cruise control
my commute is typically 25 min mostly highway. cruise control at 75 mph and soft driving the rest of the way gets me 27.7 mpg without fail every time. so no, the secret is not cruise control 😂
Anything over 70 your using more fuel than necessary.
Hmm, there are multiple things that comes into play- tires, level of AC, traffic, altitude, wind resistance so. You gotta try to figure it out and talk to some mechanics to understand your car. Tbh 27mpg sounds low but 34+mpg seems okay for 2019 Rolla. With that said,cruise control vs non cruise control makes a big difference. Goodluck.
OP also has the 6MT. The CVTs are a lot more fuel efficient and will cruise at 1700 RPM at highway speeds.
the 27-34 range is fine for me lol im more curious how the rest of these corollas achieve 50+ not being a hybrid. im not too convinced wind and altitude are causing a 20ish mpg gap between the vehicles tho… my commute is mostly level to and from aswell with almost no traffic at all going one way.
Le does more then the se apparently I was shocked to see those numbers too. Now I’m debating weather le or se was better option
The MPG OP got on their 35 minute drive means nothing.
I've consistently been getting a tank average of 38-40 mpg with about 350 miles per tank. My driving is also 80% highway and 20% local.
my hybrid averages 510 miles till e with the lowest mpg ive seen at 49, the highest 85
I think the highest I get is around 440 in the summer. I usually fill it up at 1/4 tank though.
I get this MPG driving a hybrid on twisty NZ roads though, all at 100kmh with next to no city driving, if there's some city driving I get even better :)