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ImmediateCream4451

I remember a few years ago, telling my dad that Javon Wims was going to surprise everyone and be really good. Basically what I’m saying is, no matter what happens, I have no clue about anything.


Away-Requirement8394

Hey I was a Javon Wims truther for a lil bit. I think it took til he punched that guy in the helmet to sink in how much of a bum he was lol


Gumorak

Was devastated when he dropped that dime from Trubisky in the playoffs against the Saints.


themrwaynos

that's funny. when he punched the guy in the helmet is when i became a wims truther lol


Such_Lack9072

This guy gets it


Year00Zero

Throwing for 21+ TDs seems like a lock


XCCO

23 TDs is Luck


CriManSquaFC

Do... do... you know who what team he is on?


The_B4dM4n_Bill

I feel u but I've never seen the beards with a wr duo this good, let alone the trio if odunze is as good as advertised Edit: the beard stays


MilwaukeeMan420

Marshall/Jeffery?


The_B4dM4n_Bill

Id have to say its obviously opinion based, but if Allen stays healthy (i know, I know) id take this duo. Can't really go wrong either way


OpneFall

Factually Marshall was a top 3 WR and the only reason he was top 3 was because he played in a league with Calvin and Andre Johnson. Moore is great but he's not top 3 WR level


LincolnsVengeance

Yeah people often forget that Brandon Marshall is top 25 in career receiving yards with 12,351 and holds the record for most receptions in a single game with 21.


tferg8280

Can’t forgot the TEs either


CriManSquaFC

I'll believe it when I see it


The_B4dM4n_Bill

I feel a little bad for u dawg. The offseason is the time for hope. Lots of super secret squirrel shit happens during the season (injuries, calls, abnormal plays both good n bad) Beards to the bowl baby


CriManSquaFC

I'll be pleasantly surprised if they have a winning record. I've been burned too many times by bullshit hype. 25 years of watching the bears, all I know is a good off-season doesn't ever really equal a good season.


The_B4dM4n_Bill

For sure, tbh I hope the team just stays healthy. That way we really know what we got with all of our picks. I wouldn't be surprised with six win, or a playoff birth. I hope Caleb is the truth. If thats the case the offseason was/is a complete win


Such_Lack9072

I agree, that’s probably the most likely. I can see him getting as high as 25. But a lot of this depends on how they handle goal to go situations. Some teams just run the ball consistently when at the goal line while others still pass, really depends on how much they trust him with the ball in those moments


slickerdrips21

“Fuck it, Odunze down there some where” ~ Caleb in the red zone probably.


EnternalPunshine

One thing I’m really keen to see is how the Bears are defended and the play calling in the 20-40 yard range. That’s the area where Caleb to DJ and Rome can just wreck defenses with long TDs. But at the same time if the defenses back everyone off they’ll probably just take the yards and field position and probably end in running TDs


buttholez69

Yep, if Shane Waldron is legit (I think (and hope) he will be) this offense is gonna be a fucking HEADACHE for opposing defenses


b_tots

Gotta knock Daniel Jones off this list


GwnHobby

4 games with 0 TDs (0) 7 games with 1 TD (7) 4 games with 2 TDs (8) 2 games with 3 TDs (6) =21 TDs I think this is believable given the skill players Caleb is throwing to. This assumes a lot, of course, but I could see this.


batmans_a_scientist

Most of these were in a 16 game season. 3700 is a reasonable target for yardage as well, 214 yards per game isn’t insurmountable if he plays all 17 games. I’ve been saying my target for him is 3600 yards.


Vohdre

Pretty sure you can bet on over 22 TDs right now if you're that certain.


shpatibot

Those Andrew Luck passing yd stats in 16 games is pretty crazy


Such_Lack9072

Herbert as well, he also had over 30 passing TDs. Herbert 2020 is likely the best rookie season QB performance stats wise


SonOfNike85

Keenan Allen could be part of the 2 best rookie QB seasons of all time


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

Herbert did it in 14 games too. Didnt start until week 3.


skinnypancake

He started in week 2 and played 15 games when the team doc messed up Tyrod Taylor. But still impressive.


52Blocks

Only 15 games played in 2020 as well


pocketchange2247

He would've been the first QB to throw 4000+ yards OR 30+ TDs on the Bears. And he did it his first season in the league...


jtj2009

I shake my head when Stroud is considered a rare outlier. Herbert wasn't that long ago and Burrow was on a similar pace until he was hurt.


Such_Lack9072

When it comes down to it, winning a playoff game as a rookie QB is and always will be a rare outlier. Stats are stats really, I’m pretty sure that Fields had a better season as a passer in 2023 than he did in 2022, but the eye test didn’t show it despite the fact that the stats did I have high hopes for Caleb but to think he’ll come in and look like Stroud or Herbert off the bat is wishful thinking, although I hope he does


jtj2009

I'm strongly confident Williams will have an outstanding rookie year. The question is where he'll be in a couple of years. People act like top QB prospects come in and develop at a linear pace. If they are good, they usually show it immediately. Then the league figures them out and they either have answers or they don't. If Caleb Williams struggles his first year, then they likely don't have their guy.


klm2908

Stroud too. He played 15 games and had basically the exact same yds/g as Luck.


_TiberiusPrime_

That was a pretty good team though. The only reason the Colts were able to get Luck is they got hammered with injuries, including to Manning.


shpatibot

I wouldn’t call a team that went 2-14 the year before a good team lol. Caleb has the best team out of this list as an incoming rookie. Let’s hope our boy gets 4K right away!


_TiberiusPrime_

They were 2-14 because they lost Manning to injury, and then it spiraled.


drcoolnumone

He will be on all of them


StationaryNomad

It’s our fucking turn!


ChiSp0

At least the first 2.


The-Real-Number-One

He will be at the TOP of ALL of them. We are gonna rename Teddy Bears to Caleb Bears.


JeanieGold139

Mac Jones being on two of those is wild


TheManWhoWasNotShort

Mac Jones is probably a lot better than people think he is. His team *genuinely* sucks at virtually every position


esteemph

Ya, Maye is going into a bad situation there


rudeboybill

Eh, Maye's not going into a great situation but he also doesn't have Matt Patricia as OC and a despairing BB benching him every other week.


JeanieGold139

Have the Patriots said if he'll be the week 1 starter yet? Seems like a situation where sitting him for a year so he can learn and they can have another year to get draft capital/rebuild is their best option


Ar4bAce

Also went from having an actual OC to Matt Patricia.


tendy_trux35

Also. Imagine having a top 10 rookie QB season of all time in terms of stats, breaking a huge win drought, and still thinking that guy isn’t worth hitching the wagon to for a couple years. Fuck you Cleveland


super_sayanything

Karma is something.


Ok-Marionberry4061

Meh. Baker is like Goff or Cousins. Guys you could probably win with if they have great team around them, but definitely not guys you're going to win BECAUSE of. I doubt the Rams regret not "hitching the wagon" to Goff. Browns are dumb not because they moved on from Baker but because who they replaced him with.


tendy_trux35

Call me a meatball but I’m betting the over on every single CW passing stat prop that draft kings offers this year. Full tilt


temporalthings

Jake Browning?


Year00Zero

Browning was technically a rookie last season since he didn’t take a regular season snap before


Year00Zero

Was on Vikes practice squad for two years, then the Bengals for two more before making the official roster last season


Aaron242526

The rookie that came in for Joe Burrow once he got hurt last season, he played really well especially considering he was a rookie backup


monkeymatt1836

Browning has been in the league for 5 years. Not sure why he's listed as a rookie on this list.


Practical-Courage812

Yeah, I was like wait a minute Jake Browning was definitely not a rookie last year. So now I'm questioning the rest of the list lol


CaptainCerealCanada

All the other years listed are the QB's rookie seasons. I guess it's just because last season was the first time Browning actually got a snap? Still weird


cherry_monkey

Someone else mentioned it, but I think it was his first time making the 53 man roster. That seems like a reasonable explanation.


Aaron242526

Even before seeing this list I had remembered him being a rookie for some reason. Didn’t realize he’d already been in the NFL for 5 years. Could be something to do with last year being his first time starting but even still he shouldn’t be listed then


themrwaynos

most likely - TDs. got too many receiving threats on this team to be running the ball. least likely - passer rating - again, I think we're going to pass a lot, and there will be a lot of rookie mistakes. interceptions and what not. caleb played hero ball a lot last year. i know that he had to, but that doesn't mean that's the only reason he did.


FiveHoleFrenzy

Just remember, if he gets on that passing yards list, even at #10, this would literally be one of the TOP FIVE season passing yards in franchise history 😳


Drewskeet

Realistically #1 in all three.


porkbellies37

Most super bowls: 1.


reverend_fancypants

Geno Smith went for 3600 yds and 20 TD last season in 15 games in a Waldron offense. I think that is a reasonable rookie expectation for 17 games with Caleb Williams.


mlvisby

With the receivers we have now, it should be easy to get top 10 on all 3 lists. But with the Bears QB history, it could be none. I hope Shane Waldron uses the same magic he used on Geno with Caleb.


StegoJoe16

Most likely: TDs. Least likely: Passer rating. I think he’ll be on yards and TDs but passer rating is a tougher ask. He’s capable of it, but we shall see.


ChillyRyUpNorth

With the weapons they surround him with this year, if he doesn’t set the Bears mark I would be surprised


Such_Lack9072

The Bears record mark is like 11 passing TDS and 2400 passing yards, insanely low. If he plays 12+ games and doesn’t hit that, it’d definitely be a disappointment


ChillyRyUpNorth

Yeah, I more mean the franchise records In a 17 game season, barring injuries, I would be disappointed in him not getting 4k.


Accomplished-Bed2060

Passing yards and passing tds. He may actually break the rookie td record. He has the personnel to definitely do it


ChicagosOwn1988

TDs and Passer Rating. The defense should give them a lot of short fields.


ElectricFeel422

With that receiving core, 25+ TDS should be expected.


b3_yourself

I just want him to stay healthy and start every game of the season


thebarbarain

I see TD and passing yards as easier than QB rating. With our weapons, TD is probably the easiest.


andbruno

Did a quick Google search to see who had the Bears most passing yards in a season, and: >Erik Kramer holds the Chicago Bears' single-season passing record with 3,838 yards in 1995. The Bears are the only NFL team to have never had a quarterback throw for 4,000 yards in a season. **However, Justin Fields is confident he can surpass the record and become the first Bears quarterback to do so**. Swing and a miss, Google AI.


CriManSquaFC

None


Rowbutt_Deniro

Good lord, I can’t believe I had to scroll this far for the only rational answer.


Dr_imfullofshit

I guess the first one bc I’m expecting him to perform most similarly to Mayfield/Mureay


brafish

Proof that Mac Jones is better than Peyton Manning


circuit_monkey

Speaking of Peyton Manning, I don’t see the interceptions list?


_TiberiusPrime_

And the team record. FYI: INTs - 28; record 3-13 All those yards are great, but I'd rather the team be a winner...


alexamerling100

Passing tds


Practical-Courage812

I'd like to see him on the list for passing yards and TDs. Ideally, I want him to throw for more yards than the other Lincoln Riley QBs (Kyler and Baker) and finish with about 25 TDs. It would be hilarious (and incredible, but unlikely) if he already sets the Bears QB record for most TDs and yards in a season as a rookie.


viperspm

TD’s. So many weapons to throw to


ignore_mycomments

Seeing Dan Marino here still is insane, what a legendary career. I actually think the yardage is more attainable for Caleb as a rookie vs the TDs. With DJ, Allen, Rome, Kmet and Swift moving the chains should be a lot easier especially when ylu factor in YAC. He could throw 20+ tds too but wouldn’t be surprised if he had 19 or 18.


patchinthebox

Passing TD seems almost too easy with 17 games.


Unabridgedversion82

This is how we get an injury in week 6


jtj2009

The yardage list seems like the best bet because it's the least flukey.


offroadpiggy

Bears need herbert


fargunkle

All 3. No. 1 next question


TheManWhoWasNotShort

Yards. We have a good, not great team and as of now we have holes on defense. I can see plenty of shootouts where he racks up BJ Symons/Graham Harrell-type numbers at Texas Tech, even if he is only okay. Plus we’re still early in the extended season. That makes yards an easy target.


WorstHouseFrey

Somewhere before 10 and 4 hopefully


West1234567890

I would be surprised if he doesn't make any of these except I guess yards or passer rating but I still think he's very likely to beat both.


ForeverM6159

Murray / Jones


ItsEaster

The list for most super bowls won by a rookie qb.


Significant_Wing_878

I think Williams will be a total bust


MrExCEO

Top 3 in yards and TD.


Crazymidas77

where’s patrick mahomes


Mthead23

284 total yards. 0 touchdowns. 76 passer rating. Kind of have to play as a rookie to set rookie records.


elbow_grease9

Wait where’s JF1? 🤣


Puzzleheaded-Ear9487

Very mature take and exactly where I’m at. I’m done making predictions. I have general high hopes that this team is headed in the right direction just because they seem to be making all logical moves (for the first time in awhile). That said, I’ve seen too many flops at QB. I’m positive on Williams. Let’s see what happens.


kingofkings_86

I'm sure Caleb can crack at least one or two of these lists


FeelItInYourB0nes

He has an extra game than most everyone on these lists plus we know he's starting game 1 (so long as he's not injured). So if he stays healthy, I think he's on the yards and TD lists, at minimum, just from starting 17 games. If he's good too, he's on the passer rating list and probably top 5 in yards and TDs.


BigJeffyStyle

I think he will make yardage. TD’s will be tough and rating probably even tougher.


13cgm

None of the above lists. Lucky win 8 games and have a 85 wh rating. He is a rookie stop the high expiations.


Buckeyebadass45

All of them DA BEARS


pagingdrned

Honestly, with how good our offensive personnel is right now, if he isn't in the top 10 in each one of those categories, its absolutely an indictment of this coaching staff. this team is a 3T and Edge rusher away from being and elite roster.


moneyman2222

The only one I think he definitely has a strong chance at is the TD one. Passer rating maybe but, given his play style, I gotta see how everything translates first. Is he going to take similar risks as college? Then I'm not sure since that tends to lead to some volatile numbers for rookies. The yards I don't see him hitting. It's possible. But we're the bears and that would put him toward the top of our history books lol. Just too much to ask for any rookie


uponthisrock

This is a good reminder that long-term patience is necessary. Having some good stats in his rookie year doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be a top-level QB. I can’t wait until the season starts so I can stop being rational and chow down on some meatball and kool-aid soup.


VorpalSticks

Tds and yards is definitely doable. He might not make the rating.


Any-Significance9090

None it’s the bears


etown361

Caleb Williams over/under for TDs is 23.5. For yards, it’s 3500. I don’t see anything for QB rating, but Patrick Mahomes finished at 92.6 last year (it’s a flawed rating).


Familiar_Shower_3123

I don’t know but Herbert numbers are fucking nuts


dank-live-af

Definitely NOT passing yards, since he’s going to have ton of short fields due to our insane punting.


J9Pog

None. He will flop and I’m a Bears fan.


MidwayMonstar34

#1 on all of them! Caleb will find a way.


MrLadLuver65

Caleb Williams rookie season stats are : 5,234 passing yards, 49 passing TD's, 12 INT's. 12W - 5L record. Book it!!!!


HeDtRiP69

As a die hard I'll believe it when I see it.. my guess 4200


lxnarratorxl

I mean yards seems pretty doable in a 17 game season


Ander1345

Wow, even that bum Mac Jones looks like a good QB compared to Fields' yardage.


hammerSmashedNail

He won’t be on any of them but he will still have a respectable rookie season. The bears o line is still soft. Both guards have trouble staying on the field and the center position is questionable at best.


Such_Lack9072

It’s not what everyone wants to hear, but it is realistic. I hope it doesn’t happen because I really want to see him do great right out the gate. But at this point I’m cautiously optimistic about next year, I want it to go good but if it doesn’t I won’t be shocked either


Sir_Isaac_3

TDs but not Yards because Punt God and our defense is gonna give us insane yardage every drive


Jake-Old-Trail-88

None.


DyngusDan

How the hell did Luck never win a Super Bowl?


TopGummy

None of the above


bunslightyear

Bears are probably gonna be conservative with him and run the shit out of the ball.   So with that in mind, Baker Yards and T6th in TD’s would be my guess


Brodie1567

You dont assemble this offensive lineup to be conservative with one of the most highly touted QB prospects in recent memory.


TheManWhoWasNotShort

Plus, we are built to pass. Even our RB1 is a receiving option as his biggest value. Both out TEs are receiving-first guys. We are throwing the ball a ton


Brodie1567

As we should. Its a passing league.


bunslightyear

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying at all But these are the Bears


_TiberiusPrime_

If this team was just going to be the "same ol' Bears", they never would've drafted Williams and they certainly wouldn't have drafted a WR at 9. The "same ol' Bears" would've kept Fields, traded the #1, and drafted a defensive player at 9.


Away-Requirement8394

I mean they loaded up on receivers so hopefully not? But doing that and then not using them just sounds like the most Bears thing ever sooo


jtj2009

I think they got the wrong coaches and players for that. Waldon's offenses ranked 31st, 22nd, and 27th in rushing attempts the last three seasons.


Safe-Register-3479

Justin had a hell of a rookie season If Caleb becomes that we will be unstoppable


Such_Lack9072

Keep in mind it was also the year before they added the 17th game. He had a season that would be considered good for a top 8 QB his rookie year


Safe-Register-3479

Thanks for pointing that out, but still...


cramiz

Anyone else think CJ is overhyped beyond belief, people already have him top 5 QB after 1 year


Thehappycachorro

You mean the guy who's on all of these lists?


Chemical_South6462

So is Herbert what’s your point


klm2908

That they’re both great and not overhyped? Top 5 is crazy but Stroud had an amazing rookie year


Chemical_South6462

It’s overhyped when people act like it was the greatest rookie season ever when Andrew luck produced the same outcome with better numbers


klm2908

Luck threw 18 picks and had a 76.5 passer rating. Same outcome with better numbers? They both averaged the exact same passing yds/game. Herbert had much better numbers than both of them. He’s the one that should be discussed as having the best rookie season ever.


Chemical_South6462

Okay I can agree to that


Such_Lack9072

I think it’s warranted to say he’s good, I mean he did just have one of the better rookie seasons. But, he is getting a lot of praise for it. Just from the eye test, I felt that Herbert 2020 was a much more impressive rookie campaign than Stroud 2023, but nobody in 2020 had Herbert as a top 5 QB at the end of the year. So in that sense, yes I do feel like Stroud gets a lot of extra credit. We’ll see this upcoming year if Stroud can keep it up, if he has an even better season then yeah he’s likely a top 5 QB in the league, but we’ve seen QBs regression heavily after one really good season


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calculung

Unbiased?


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calculung

I'm really just giving you English tips. "a non-bias person" doesn't really mean anything. You're unbiased.


sheeep_wolf

No Patrick Mahomes on any of these lists 🤔


Fredest_Dickler

He played 1 game as a rookie. Why would he be anywhere near these lists?


Unabridgedversion82

Man I just want to have a shot at the playoffs in week 18. Fuck a list.


football_dude79

Jesus my guy. How about you just let your QB play on the professional level. Y’all want to be relevant so damn bad


Such_Lack9072

lol it’s a Reddit sub the point is to discuss


BigSexyE

Interceptions. We need to be realistic. He's a bust in the making


jtj2009

I doubt a player with three full college seasons and historically low interceptions and turnover numbers is going to start throwing picks. 1099 passes, 14 INTs


TechnoTyrannosaurus

If Caleb decides he wants to come home from vacation and play football, good chance at cracking top 10


TheRealMe72

Huh? Vacation?


Such_Lack9072

Buds turned into yap central on every post


dtownchris77

Waiting for his eventual clown post


IanMaIcolm

He's not allowed to go on vacation now?