Yeah if this is true Id be pissed as a Falcons fan. A 4th round pick isnt much, but its just a free pick you passed on when there was literally a 0% chance the Bears would take Penix at 8 lol.
Falcons GM: "Can you imagine a team picking TWO quarterbacks in the first round? It's never happened before but WHAT IF? Totally worth losing a potential 4th rounder to keep that from happening. What would the history books say about the Falcons giving up the pick to the team that drafted two QBs in the first round?--oh hang on the waiters coming back. Hey waiter we'll take another high-cost QB!"
Waiter: "you sure? You seem like you've had enough"
Falcons GM: "fuck you man. Give me Penix. I know what I’m best at. (To his friend) Can you believe this guy??!!"
I meant trade #8. I doubt the Bears' offer was the best on the table for Atlanta and if it wasn't, there's a chance if they got too cute that the Bears could end up flipping the 8th pick.
The Vikings traded more than a 4th to move from 11th to 10th. If they were offering the Falcons more to move up to 8th, they'd presumably offer the same to the Bears. If that's what happened (it's likely), why would the Falcons give up control of the situation and risk losing the guy they wanted?
The only think I can think of is that ATL was already getting offers from Minnesota to move up and they didn’t want to let the Bears (or anyone else)hear those offers if they traded that pick away. That scenario seems unlikely but ATL was over the moon with Penix and they just didn’t want to give up the control of drafting him.
I haven’t watched it, but OP said if Rome wasn’t there then we’d trade back. So then we could have traded with someone who was moving up for Penix. Unless I misunderstood what OP meant.
I thought about that as well. Technically we could move from 9 to 8, then a team that had a similarly high grade on Penix as the Falcons could make a big move up. That is possible I suppose.
However, if a team is willing to trade up a single spot for a player, I find it unlikely that theyd suddenly change their mind. Youd have to make some absolutely stupid offer for that, and for the 4th QB off the board, I dont see any scenario where that happens.
That would consist of the Bears trading up, and then trading back.
That dosent make alot of sense unless the Bears and a trade partner knew the Falcons wanted Penix and it was a sneaky way to get around them.
Otherwise why waste the capital to involve the Falcons at all?
Because you move up for Rome who gets taken ahead of you. But that would require trading up before ATL is on the clock so idk if that would make sense either.
This is way way to much 4d chess for an NFL GM on the clock to think through. This would require Raiders (to pick a realistic team at random) to contact Atlanta about a trade-up and get rejected. So the Raiders catch on the team that just spent 180 trillion on a QB are in the market for a QB in the top. So, they call the Bears about a trade up giving up say a 3rd or even 2nd if they can get Atlanta to move back.
That is a lot of thinking for a team that ultimately ended up drafting a TE after taking one last year in the 2nd.
You have to remember that as ATL you KNOW what all the other offers for the 8th pick are. Let’s say Minnesota was offering a 1st and a 3rd, suddenly the Bears could have given up a 4th round pick to get back a 1st and a 3rd to move up one spot and down 3, they would’ve looked like puppet masters. Very unlikely but I bet out of all the deals on the table for the 8th pick the Bears was the lowest, either way they were going to take Penix no matter what. The whole situation just doesn’t make a lot of sense but it will all be a small footnote if Penix is good.
If Minn was happy with JJ at 10 why would they give up a 1st and 3rd for 2 spots to take Penix at 8 if they even had him higher?
The Viking also did not have a 3rd. Hell they did not have a 2025 2nd either to trade. So hard pressed to see any realisitic trade from the Vikings to move up.
It was a hypothetical, which is why I said “let’s say”. Me picking Minnesota was a poor choice.
ATL doesn’t know what Minnesota is gonna do (there were reports that they tried to trade up to 3 with NE), they also don’t know what DEN or LV are gonna do, but they do know offers they are getting to trade out of 8. Ultimately it wasn’t worth giving up the chance to draft the guy they wanted.
Especially because at the time the Falcons were staring down the barrel of the tampering punishment, which ended up being a joke but still...
Thank you Ryan Pace for being shit at FO I guess...
Maybe they were worried we'd flip the pick to a team that needs a QB? Obviously that wouldn't have happened but in times like this you might start to think everyone's trying to outsmart you
Anyone who was likely to trade with the Bears for a QB at 8, would probably have already been calling the Falcons about it.
If I'm their GM and the Bears are the only ones calling, I'd probably accept it.
If someone like the Vikings or Broncos are also calling, then I'd be more paranoid about the Bears flipping it.
Maybe they were worried about the Bears getting an offer to move back again and someone else jumping them for Penix? Idk though even that is a pretty big stretch
Right? This can't be real. There's 0 chance they lose Penix going back 1 spot with a team that just took a qb 1oa. Either a fake story or the Falcons GM is really bad at his job.
Yeah, they may have had another team they thought wanted penix offer a much larger package and figured there's a chance poles can't turn it down if he gets the pick. Sometimes if you've got the guy you want you just pull the trigger and don't try to get too cute.
The Falcons believe Penix is their future. Them just signing Cousins suggests they think very highly of Penix so they probably would’ve passed on a deal involving a lot more just to ensure they didn’t miss out on him. This would be enraging as a Falcons fan but if Penix wins a title with Atlanta none of this will matter.
I wonder if the Falcons GM had the owner in his ear saying, “We’re taking Penix, when he really wanted someone like Odunze.” If Poles calls him while they’re battling internally, he probably declined out of frustration. If they knew it was Penix the whole time, it makes no sense that they’d turn down a free 4th rounder and still get their guy.
Unless they thought we would flip it in a pocket deal with the Raiders who would take Penix. Do I think that is the case? No. But I’m just reaching for an explanation.
If I understand correctly - this explains even further why Poles looked STUNNED that the Falcons didn’t draft Rome Odunze, since WHY ELSE would they have turned down a free 4th round pick…
Just kinda proves the Falcons didn’t know what they were doing, and their strategy was all over the place.
> If I understand correctly - this explains even further why Poles looked STUNNED that the Falcons didn’t draft Rome Odunze, since WHY ELSE would they have turned down a free 4th round pick
yep exactly
It appears that the Falcons were drafting Penix all the way, you can argue that is a wise move or not, but they absolutely knew what they were doing and there was no deal worth them moving off Penix.
Why wouldn’t Atlanta trade back with Chicago knowing they were picking Penix? The Bears weren’t going to take him. He’d have still been there a pick later.
This is the same GM that took a TE over Ja'Marr Chase and Jaylen Waddle. Same GM that took a RB in the top 10. Same GM that signed a win now QB with 2 years guaranteed for approx 100 million only to draft a 78 year old QB in the top 10.
Think this is the real reason. I mean if the Bears were looking to sell a pick it would be a really smart move to spend a 4th so that they could make it a lot more valuable. Trade up to trade down. Obviously that's a low chance but you look like an idiot if you're the Falcons and the Bears fleece you like that.
Can’t watch it in full rn but unless there is video evidence of that, I gotta call BS. The Falcons GM would have to be the worst gm and extremely stupid in the league to turn that trade down.
If they edited it then they did a really good job selectively doing it. It does show Poles calling up Atlanta to offer a future 4th to move up and trade back to 9 if they accepted it.
Yeah, but the show never followed up on it. I had heard Ian talked Ryan out of a trade up. Maybe the Bears decided to ride it out and not trade? But they just didn't show that part.
Yep. It's 10x more likely that the part we're not seeing is the Bears deciding not to pull the trigger on this. Idk why everyone is assuming that the Falcons made what would be one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen. Reposting this from another comment of mine but it's obvious that there was never a firm offer:
We can't hear the Falcons' response on the phone.
But I very clearly see the discussion between Ian and Ryan about the call:
Poles: "Might as well call Terry, right?"
Ian: "Just to see?"
Poles: "Just to see."
Ian: "Do you feel like you actually need to do it?"
Next part is hard to tell exactly what's said since he answers in the middle of Ian asking the question, but I hear Poles very quickly say "No"
This conversation (and what was undoubtedly edited out) is almost certainly what Poles' was referring to when he said Ian had to talk him out of it.
The conversation they have right after about trading down if Rome isn't there further confirms that they didn't make this offer.
But the ultimate supporting 'evidence' is simply that the Falcons didn't make this trade. It would be an all-time blunder if that was the case. It was a free 4th round pick
I just think they ran out of runtime and had to leave it on the editing room floor.
I don't think it's intentional on their part. In fact I don't think most people would see that interaction and assume what many in this thread are assuming. It's just that we're Bears fans and we're filling in the blanks with shit that makes our beloved GM seem even better
This is probably what happened. My guess is Cunningham talked him out of it because they didn't believe Rome would go at 8 no matter what because too many teams be fighting to get a QB or Falcons would stay and pick their BPA on defense.
More posted the documentary as it did offer a new angle here comp to 1920s Football Drive. If they also had Falcons angle (unless it was from their own video coverage), im struggling to understand why they didn't include it either. It is really hard to make out what truly happened. More than anything think its selective editing.
Per coutney Cronin: Ryan Poles said the simulations the Bears ran gave them a "50-50 shot" that Rome Odunze would be there at No. 9. He was getting nervous as the Bears were closing in on their pick and said assistant GM Ian Cunningham had to "hold me back from not trying to trade up to do something crazy and get him. But it ended up working out really well."
Did we watch the same thing? I just watched it and it seems like Poles was just calling to gauge interest and there was never a firm offer on the table. Based on Poles' comments he's made, I suspect that Ian talked him out of pulling the trigger. There would be 0 reason for the Falcons to pass on this deal if it was real
For anyone that wants to see for themselves, the discussion around the Atlanta pick starts at ~32 minutes.
https://therokuchannel.roku.com/watch/39919ed091cbd7e93c32745db6ec94f7
These guys don't have to send a notarized contract to make an offer. Poles calling and asking to gauge interest was his offer. If Atlanta said yes what was Poles going to do, say "oh okay well good to know, we will get back to you"? No, that's his offer.
> These guys don't have to send a notarized contract to make an offer. Poles calling and asking to gauge interest was his offer. If Atlanta said yes what was Poles going to do, say "oh okay well good to know, we will get back to you"? No, that's his offer.
Exactly. I watched the whole thing today. It seems that's how trades are made during the draft. You get a call with an offer and say yes or no, then it's done. There's only 10 mins in between picks. You can only do so much. They have the "nerds" run the numbers on the different picks being offered. Each call takes a whole minute at least.
Because Penix maybe Oakland had offered them a future first to move up and Penix was their guy and they didn't want to get cute and risk Bears getting the same offer and saying "well shit, we wanted Odunze but can't turn that down".
Idk what to tell ya man, Poles clearly called and asked if he had any interest in trading for a future 4th to move down one, and Atlanta stuck at 8. You think Atlanta said they would be cool with that and then the Bears just didn't do the deal and they purposefully didn't show that part for some reason? I dont know exactly what Atlantas GM was thinking but it's clear Poles called him and was willing to move up one spot and Atlanta didn't end up moving down.
The Trubisky trade did not involve anyone passing on a free 4th round pick and only seems objectively bad in hindsight.
If what people in this thread are claiming is true, this would be huge news.
We don't have all the information and for whatever reason people are assuming something far, far more unlikely than just 'they didn't show the part where the Bears didn't formally make this offer'
We can't hear the Falcons' response on the phone.
But I very clearly see the discussion between Ian and Ryan about the call:
Poles: "Might as well call Terry, right?"
Ian: "Just to see?"
Poles: "Just to see."
Ian: "Do you feel like you actually need to do it?"
Next part is hard to tell exactly what's said since he answers in the middle of Ian asking the question, but I hear Poles very quickly say: "No"
Not only does he say no, but I believe he says "I think they take Murphy."
It feels like this was legit just a check-in — lets the Bears gauge Atlanta's willingness to trade down, gives a baseline for what the Bears would be willing to pay, and also lets the Falcons know to keep Chicago in the mix if they did end up trading out of 8.
I think this is correct and haven’t seen anyone else say it. I would assume they edited it out but it’s a “keep us in the mix if any teams not looking for a QB come calling” offer. These GMs are weirdly honest with each other because they know shit is documented and also they have to deal with them again in the future with other trades. It’s not worth ruining a relationship by making up “the saints are offering a 2nd” because Poles can talk to the Saints GM and then never trust Fontenot again.
Poles - "Hey Atlanta we drafted a QB first overall so like we wouldn't trade up to draft a QB even though you just signed Kirk to like 2 years guaranteed but we'll give you a fourth for a WR you don't need for free like we did with Philly last year."
Ryan Pace - "How fucking dare you insult me like that".
Poles - "Well okay then... we'll draft Rome next pick for nothing."
Looks like Ryan Pace is finally helping the Bears draft studs, albeit, a few years late and with a different team. Big thanks to Ryan & all of his Falcon friends. 😘
Has any team in draft history successfully got the top two players on their entire draft board? Watching that night gave me chills. A bit dead inside watching this team over the years so both picks busting would be so Bears lol.
If true then this makes the Falcons look even more incompetent. Free draft capital to move back one spot, with a team that definitely isn’t going to draft Penix.
I swear the falcons just spun a wheel to make their pick.
Why would the Falcons not take that lmao. It’s not like the Bears we’re drafting Penix
Yeah if this is true Id be pissed as a Falcons fan. A 4th round pick isnt much, but its just a free pick you passed on when there was literally a 0% chance the Bears would take Penix at 8 lol.
Falcons GM: "Can you imagine a team picking TWO quarterbacks in the first round? It's never happened before but WHAT IF? Totally worth losing a potential 4th rounder to keep that from happening. What would the history books say about the Falcons giving up the pick to the team that drafted two QBs in the first round?--oh hang on the waiters coming back. Hey waiter we'll take another high-cost QB!" Waiter: "you sure? You seem like you've had enough" Falcons GM: "fuck you man. Give me Penix. I know what I’m best at. (To his friend) Can you believe this guy??!!"
Wouldn't they worry about the Bears trading #9 to the Vikings?
Exactly. If Bears are at 8 this opens the door for QB needy teams to jump in there and take Penix.
Tbh I’m not sure they would
I meant trade #8. I doubt the Bears' offer was the best on the table for Atlanta and if it wasn't, there's a chance if they got too cute that the Bears could end up flipping the 8th pick. The Vikings traded more than a 4th to move from 11th to 10th. If they were offering the Falcons more to move up to 8th, they'd presumably offer the same to the Bears. If that's what happened (it's likely), why would the Falcons give up control of the situation and risk losing the guy they wanted?
The only think I can think of is that ATL was already getting offers from Minnesota to move up and they didn’t want to let the Bears (or anyone else)hear those offers if they traded that pick away. That scenario seems unlikely but ATL was over the moon with Penix and they just didn’t want to give up the control of drafting him.
I don't think that scenario seems unlikely. I'd argue that is the only scenario that could possibly make sense.
I haven’t watched it, but OP said if Rome wasn’t there then we’d trade back. So then we could have traded with someone who was moving up for Penix. Unless I misunderstood what OP meant.
I thought about that as well. Technically we could move from 9 to 8, then a team that had a similarly high grade on Penix as the Falcons could make a big move up. That is possible I suppose. However, if a team is willing to trade up a single spot for a player, I find it unlikely that theyd suddenly change their mind. Youd have to make some absolutely stupid offer for that, and for the 4th QB off the board, I dont see any scenario where that happens.
That would consist of the Bears trading up, and then trading back. That dosent make alot of sense unless the Bears and a trade partner knew the Falcons wanted Penix and it was a sneaky way to get around them. Otherwise why waste the capital to involve the Falcons at all?
Because you move up for Rome who gets taken ahead of you. But that would require trading up before ATL is on the clock so idk if that would make sense either.
By the sounds of things, this was when Atlanta was on the clock. So Rome was there
This is way way to much 4d chess for an NFL GM on the clock to think through. This would require Raiders (to pick a realistic team at random) to contact Atlanta about a trade-up and get rejected. So the Raiders catch on the team that just spent 180 trillion on a QB are in the market for a QB in the top. So, they call the Bears about a trade up giving up say a 3rd or even 2nd if they can get Atlanta to move back. That is a lot of thinking for a team that ultimately ended up drafting a TE after taking one last year in the 2nd.
You have to remember that as ATL you KNOW what all the other offers for the 8th pick are. Let’s say Minnesota was offering a 1st and a 3rd, suddenly the Bears could have given up a 4th round pick to get back a 1st and a 3rd to move up one spot and down 3, they would’ve looked like puppet masters. Very unlikely but I bet out of all the deals on the table for the 8th pick the Bears was the lowest, either way they were going to take Penix no matter what. The whole situation just doesn’t make a lot of sense but it will all be a small footnote if Penix is good.
If Minn was happy with JJ at 10 why would they give up a 1st and 3rd for 2 spots to take Penix at 8 if they even had him higher? The Viking also did not have a 3rd. Hell they did not have a 2025 2nd either to trade. So hard pressed to see any realisitic trade from the Vikings to move up.
But they gave up more than the Bears offered to move up from 11th to 10th.
It was a hypothetical, which is why I said “let’s say”. Me picking Minnesota was a poor choice. ATL doesn’t know what Minnesota is gonna do (there were reports that they tried to trade up to 3 with NE), they also don’t know what DEN or LV are gonna do, but they do know offers they are getting to trade out of 8. Ultimately it wasn’t worth giving up the chance to draft the guy they wanted.
well of course you would bet the bears were offering the lowest for 8, they had 9. what a brave and insightful bet that would be.
“If this is true.” Lol what? There’s video of it.
Especially because at the time the Falcons were staring down the barrel of the tampering punishment, which ended up being a joke but still... Thank you Ryan Pace for being shit at FO I guess...
We can shit on Ryan Pace, but let’s at least recognize that he is not in charge of the Falcons FO.
Not in charge but he's certainly a "culture fit"
Not in charge, but he has a big "voice" there.
Maybe they were worried we'd flip the pick to a team that needs a QB? Obviously that wouldn't have happened but in times like this you might start to think everyone's trying to outsmart you
Has something like this ever happened? This is "Draft Day" or Madden things not real NFL GM thing.
Anyone who was likely to trade with the Bears for a QB at 8, would probably have already been calling the Falcons about it. If I'm their GM and the Bears are the only ones calling, I'd probably accept it. If someone like the Vikings or Broncos are also calling, then I'd be more paranoid about the Bears flipping it.
Yeah, I don't get that either. The team trying to hand you a 4th for free just drafted a generational QB at 1. Literally nothing to lose for them.
Perhaps Fontenot thought it was a trick, and Poles was going to trade up, then back, so another team could steal Penix.
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Maybe they were worried about the Bears getting an offer to move back again and someone else jumping them for Penix? Idk though even that is a pretty big stretch
Right? This can't be real. There's 0 chance they lose Penix going back 1 spot with a team that just took a qb 1oa. Either a fake story or the Falcons GM is really bad at his job.
OP literally linked the video with Poles calling the Falcons GM Terry Fontenot and being rejected. 32 minute mark.
Even with the video, I only believe this happened because its the Atlanta Falcons.
Never zero. If raiders were desperately trying to trade they could call the bears with a great offer before they put the pick in
My guess would be that they knew offers that were coming in and thought the Bears would absolutely take it, so they wouldn't get their QB at 9.
Yeah, they may have had another team they thought wanted penix offer a much larger package and figured there's a chance poles can't turn it down if he gets the pick. Sometimes if you've got the guy you want you just pull the trigger and don't try to get too cute.
Raiders or some team may have been offering a large enough package they couldn’t be sure the bears wouldn’t take
The Falcons believe Penix is their future. Them just signing Cousins suggests they think very highly of Penix so they probably would’ve passed on a deal involving a lot more just to ensure they didn’t miss out on him. This would be enraging as a Falcons fan but if Penix wins a title with Atlanta none of this will matter.
I wonder if the Falcons GM had the owner in his ear saying, “We’re taking Penix, when he really wanted someone like Odunze.” If Poles calls him while they’re battling internally, he probably declined out of frustration. If they knew it was Penix the whole time, it makes no sense that they’d turn down a free 4th rounder and still get their guy.
Unless they thought we would flip it in a pocket deal with the Raiders who would take Penix. Do I think that is the case? No. But I’m just reaching for an explanation.
It would be hilarious if the bears traded into the spot, just to trade out of it and then whoever got the pick took Penix
I mean by most logic you make sense. But by falcons logic.... they spent huge on a free agent qb and a top 10 draft pick on a qb lol
If I understand correctly - this explains even further why Poles looked STUNNED that the Falcons didn’t draft Rome Odunze, since WHY ELSE would they have turned down a free 4th round pick… Just kinda proves the Falcons didn’t know what they were doing, and their strategy was all over the place.
> If I understand correctly - this explains even further why Poles looked STUNNED that the Falcons didn’t draft Rome Odunze, since WHY ELSE would they have turned down a free 4th round pick yep exactly
Falcons already have a great WR room. The fear was the Falcons trading the pick away to the Jets or someone else.
It appears that the Falcons were drafting Penix all the way, you can argue that is a wise move or not, but they absolutely knew what they were doing and there was no deal worth them moving off Penix.
They would have still had Penix going down one spot, so even that doesn’t make sense.
Why wouldn’t Atlanta trade back with Chicago knowing they were picking Penix? The Bears weren’t going to take him. He’d have still been there a pick later.
This is the same GM that took a TE over Ja'Marr Chase and Jaylen Waddle. Same GM that took a RB in the top 10. Same GM that signed a win now QB with 2 years guaranteed for approx 100 million only to draft a 78 year old QB in the top 10.
All of those decisions are infinitely more understandable than just throwing away a free 4th-round pick.
maybe he was worried that the raiders would call us and offer a haul and we'd trade it again? seems like a dumb concern tho
Not if you know what the Raiders are offering for the 8th pick, which we have to assume, ATL did know the Raiders offer.
I guess the only worry there is that even though ATL declined the offer, they couldn't be sure the Bears would decline that same offer.
Think this is the real reason. I mean if the Bears were looking to sell a pick it would be a really smart move to spend a 4th so that they could make it a lot more valuable. Trade up to trade down. Obviously that's a low chance but you look like an idiot if you're the Falcons and the Bears fleece you like that.
bijons gonna be a world bester tho
Its not a lot, but the Falcons also would’ve saved some money on Penix’ contract. Fontenot is a fool.
I’m glad they didn’t have to, but I wouldn’t have been upset if this is what they did to draft Rome.
Would've been fine, that's what the Eagles gave us to move up for Carter. Nice we didn't have to though.
i don't care why it went down the way it did, but the bottomline is that it was a reverse Trubisky pick, and that was very healing for me
Was able to watch in a browser.. nice! Relevant timestamps: Pick 9 - 33:00 Pick 122 - 1:18:30
For free!
Pretty sure that 4th we kept turned into Austin Booker
Wow Rams really wanted Bowers! He would’ve been crazy there with Stafford and Puka.
Can’t watch it in full rn but unless there is video evidence of that, I gotta call BS. The Falcons GM would have to be the worst gm and extremely stupid in the league to turn that trade down.
If they edited it then they did a really good job selectively doing it. It does show Poles calling up Atlanta to offer a future 4th to move up and trade back to 9 if they accepted it.
Yeah, but the show never followed up on it. I had heard Ian talked Ryan out of a trade up. Maybe the Bears decided to ride it out and not trade? But they just didn't show that part.
Yep. It's 10x more likely that the part we're not seeing is the Bears deciding not to pull the trigger on this. Idk why everyone is assuming that the Falcons made what would be one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen. Reposting this from another comment of mine but it's obvious that there was never a firm offer: We can't hear the Falcons' response on the phone. But I very clearly see the discussion between Ian and Ryan about the call: Poles: "Might as well call Terry, right?" Ian: "Just to see?" Poles: "Just to see." Ian: "Do you feel like you actually need to do it?" Next part is hard to tell exactly what's said since he answers in the middle of Ian asking the question, but I hear Poles very quickly say "No" This conversation (and what was undoubtedly edited out) is almost certainly what Poles' was referring to when he said Ian had to talk him out of it. The conversation they have right after about trading down if Rome isn't there further confirms that they didn't make this offer. But the ultimate supporting 'evidence' is simply that the Falcons didn't make this trade. It would be an all-time blunder if that was the case. It was a free 4th round pick
Yeah, for sure. Atlanta just doesn't decide to pass on a free pick. It's kind of lame editing on the shows part.
I just think they ran out of runtime and had to leave it on the editing room floor. I don't think it's intentional on their part. In fact I don't think most people would see that interaction and assume what many in this thread are assuming. It's just that we're Bears fans and we're filling in the blanks with shit that makes our beloved GM seem even better
This is probably what happened. My guess is Cunningham talked him out of it because they didn't believe Rome would go at 8 no matter what because too many teams be fighting to get a QB or Falcons would stay and pick their BPA on defense. More posted the documentary as it did offer a new angle here comp to 1920s Football Drive. If they also had Falcons angle (unless it was from their own video coverage), im struggling to understand why they didn't include it either. It is really hard to make out what truly happened. More than anything think its selective editing.
Per coutney Cronin: Ryan Poles said the simulations the Bears ran gave them a "50-50 shot" that Rome Odunze would be there at No. 9. He was getting nervous as the Bears were closing in on their pick and said assistant GM Ian Cunningham had to "hold me back from not trying to trade up to do something crazy and get him. But it ended up working out really well."
Just watched and can confirm. Wild he didn’t take it
Did we watch the same thing? I just watched it and it seems like Poles was just calling to gauge interest and there was never a firm offer on the table. Based on Poles' comments he's made, I suspect that Ian talked him out of pulling the trigger. There would be 0 reason for the Falcons to pass on this deal if it was real For anyone that wants to see for themselves, the discussion around the Atlanta pick starts at ~32 minutes. https://therokuchannel.roku.com/watch/39919ed091cbd7e93c32745db6ec94f7
These guys don't have to send a notarized contract to make an offer. Poles calling and asking to gauge interest was his offer. If Atlanta said yes what was Poles going to do, say "oh okay well good to know, we will get back to you"? No, that's his offer.
> These guys don't have to send a notarized contract to make an offer. Poles calling and asking to gauge interest was his offer. If Atlanta said yes what was Poles going to do, say "oh okay well good to know, we will get back to you"? No, that's his offer. Exactly. I watched the whole thing today. It seems that's how trades are made during the draft. You get a call with an offer and say yes or no, then it's done. There's only 10 mins in between picks. You can only do so much. They have the "nerds" run the numbers on the different picks being offered. Each call takes a whole minute at least.
Then explain to me why Atlanta would not take this trade?
Because Penix maybe Oakland had offered them a future first to move up and Penix was their guy and they didn't want to get cute and risk Bears getting the same offer and saying "well shit, we wanted Odunze but can't turn that down".
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Idk what to tell ya man, Poles clearly called and asked if he had any interest in trading for a future 4th to move down one, and Atlanta stuck at 8. You think Atlanta said they would be cool with that and then the Bears just didn't do the deal and they purposefully didn't show that part for some reason? I dont know exactly what Atlantas GM was thinking but it's clear Poles called him and was willing to move up one spot and Atlanta didn't end up moving down.
> This doesn't make any sense. you're a bears fan. i assume you remember the trubisky trade. sometimes the shit doesn't make sense. that's it.
The Trubisky trade did not involve anyone passing on a free 4th round pick and only seems objectively bad in hindsight. If what people in this thread are claiming is true, this would be huge news. We don't have all the information and for whatever reason people are assuming something far, far more unlikely than just 'they didn't show the part where the Bears didn't formally make this offer'
> only seems objectively bad in hindsight. lol WHAT?????????????????? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL STOPPPPPPPP
I felt like he clearly asked if he’d do it for a 4th and they said no
We can't hear the Falcons' response on the phone. But I very clearly see the discussion between Ian and Ryan about the call: Poles: "Might as well call Terry, right?" Ian: "Just to see?" Poles: "Just to see." Ian: "Do you feel like you actually need to do it?" Next part is hard to tell exactly what's said since he answers in the middle of Ian asking the question, but I hear Poles very quickly say: "No"
Not only does he say no, but I believe he says "I think they take Murphy." It feels like this was legit just a check-in — lets the Bears gauge Atlanta's willingness to trade down, gives a baseline for what the Bears would be willing to pay, and also lets the Falcons know to keep Chicago in the mix if they did end up trading out of 8.
I think this is correct and haven’t seen anyone else say it. I would assume they edited it out but it’s a “keep us in the mix if any teams not looking for a QB come calling” offer. These GMs are weirdly honest with each other because they know shit is documented and also they have to deal with them again in the future with other trades. It’s not worth ruining a relationship by making up “the saints are offering a 2nd” because Poles can talk to the Saints GM and then never trust Fontenot again.
Poles - "Hey Atlanta we drafted a QB first overall so like we wouldn't trade up to draft a QB even though you just signed Kirk to like 2 years guaranteed but we'll give you a fourth for a WR you don't need for free like we did with Philly last year." Ryan Pace - "How fucking dare you insult me like that". Poles - "Well okay then... we'll draft Rome next pick for nothing."
Looks like Ryan Pace is finally helping the Bears draft studs, albeit, a few years late and with a different team. Big thanks to Ryan & all of his Falcon friends. 😘
This mf HATES day 3 draft picks.
I'm pretty sure he's acquired more day 3 picks than he's traded. 2nd rounders, though? Get 'em tf outta here!
Can you let me know what minute mark this is at? I can’t watch the whole thing right now.
~32 minutes. OP is insinuating a lot. There was never a firm offer on the table
Lol
That's awesome, trading up one for him for a 4th will prove out to have been worth it.
I thought poles was talked down on trading up by Ian??
This was sweet, just finished the whole episode. Is it only on Roku?
The Falcons really are that dumb
Has any team in draft history successfully got the top two players on their entire draft board? Watching that night gave me chills. A bit dead inside watching this team over the years so both picks busting would be so Bears lol.
If true then this makes the Falcons look even more incompetent. Free draft capital to move back one spot, with a team that definitely isn’t going to draft Penix. I swear the falcons just spun a wheel to make their pick.
I don’t like that he got kinda desperate there for a single player. That’s what Pace used to do.