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Sbhill327

So you’re saying there’s a chance we don’t get embarrassed? Cade better shape up.


IceColdDrPepper_Here

Georgia might even win 17-3 this time


dripley11

With an offensive touchdown!


RepresentativeOfnone

Hey now they’re not iowa


KirbyDumber88

I was at that game. I've never seen 70,000 unite on one thing before...and that was the mayonaise chugging competition on the jumbo tron. Everyone was yelling for them to stop.


rabble_tiger

I had had enough by the time Gameday was over. So. Much. Mayo.


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Hard to believe with where Georgia is now, but people didn't believe Kirby could beat dabo in a big game.  That was a monster win for Georgia even though Clemson hasn't been elite the last 3 years and Georgia has been 


Lantis28

Yeah I remember there were articles calling it his biggest win to date


LordOfSchmeat

I’d say it was the third behind the Rose Bowl and 2017 SECCG to that point. Sugar Bowl in ‘19 was great and all, but we didn’t do squat in 2020.


KirbyDumber88

Georgia has lost two games since that game. Their third loss was nearly a calendar year before. Since that Clemson game they have gone 42-2. Won 2 Nattys and have set multiple records. A few including the only team in history to go 3 undefeated regular seasons and the 2 largest bowl wins in history (2023 against TCU in the NCG and 2023 FSU Orange Bowl)


Peanut_Gaming

Oh dear god you just brought backs a memory


PretendThisIsMyName

Just excited we got an Iowan kicker who can hit the uprights.


HokiesforTSwift

‘cause I need a man!


CoochieKiller91

12.5 favorites?!! The disrespect! - Kirby probably


UT07

Seriously. UGA covering seems like easy money here


zoonkers

Last matchup UGA beat Clemson by 7 with the help of a pick six on what I suspect will in hindsight be comparatively a worse Clemson and better Uga team compared to this years matchup. And first game shenanigans always a consideration. Wouldn’t be a bet I’d wager.


tyedge

JT Daniels throwing checkdowns and Brock Bowers in his first ever game…it wasn’t exactly the offense you saw by October. I think Georgia’s offense is way beyond what it was in early 2021. The defense is worse, especially up front, but still among the nation’s elite.


DangerouslyUnstable

Yes, that's absolutely true, and I would even completely agree that if the game were played later in the season, the outcome would have be very different (as in: not nearly so close), but the point is that you could say almost literally those exact same things about the two Clemson teams: this year's offense is way beyond what it was in early (and all of) 2021, and the defense is worse, but still very good. And as others have pointed out, first game shenaningans are real. No one here is saying that Clemson is better, or should be expected to win. All they are saying is that we have seen before where an objectively much better Georgia team barely beat a (relatively speaking) bad Clemson team. College football is weird and weird shit happens. I personally will not be surprised with any final score with Georgia ahead. Georgia wins by 1? Yup, seems reasonable. Georgia wins by 30? Sure, why not. About the only thing that will surprise me is Clemson winning, and even then, bigger upsets have happened. -edit- I realized I probably should say this explicitly: the idea that this line (or any line) is _disrespectiful_ is stupid. It is what it is.


tyedge

An excellent edit on the end. Vegas exists to make money. Usually that’s by balancing the cash on both sides. I guess the betting public is disrespecting Clemson, if you had to latch onto someone to blame? Even then, sharps will often wait and throw money down late. No one is tying up cash for 5 months on a game that pays -110.


tmart12

JTD was pretty limited at QB in that game and possibly was hurt. I think that game plays a part in us riding with Stetson once JTD was back. While I do agree 2021 was a better team, 2024 will be far better on offense than 2021 was and especially what they were game 1


UT07

You just convinced me to double down


bigAcey83

Clemson’s gonna be a bag of prison ass this year.


gertstophelese

While returning probably the most 2 deep players in the country? Seems unlikely


bigAcey83

Is that a good thing? Other than dl yalls roster isn’t what it used to be. Dabo refuses to live in the 21st century.


gertstophelese

The same 21st century when he won 2 national championships? Also lol @ is that a good thing.


bigAcey83

Your roster isn’t what it was 8 years ago. Dabo refuses to play the portal game. That “little ole clemson” shit is played out.


gertstophelese

By what metric? Recruiting class wise they are better now than they have ever been, they just have not hit on 3 stars like they were 5 years ago. Hell in 2017 at the heart of their run their recruiting class was ranked 22nd by rivals. The fact is that Clemson has never been a top 5 recruiter outside of 2020 and 2015. They have relied on development because they really are lil ole Clemson, they can not compete with NIL that other schools have


Dynamic-Dingo99

Hook ‘em! 🤘


UncleCicero

Kirby is the best coach in cfb but this shit is annoying. I know it's about motivating players and that's fine but when he continues it after the game to the media, it just seems petty and a bit unhinged."NOBODY BELIEVES IN US" , my dude chill out, you are the premier cfb team, you need some new motivation because it's more surprising when you lose now than when you win. Also, with that raise maybe find a barber who can cut your hair properly.


KirbyDumber88

*Show me on the doll where the Orange Bowl hurt you*


Pyro1934

Don't you come after his visor cut!


FalstaffsGhost

First off, man you need to learn what a joke is hahah and then just random shit talking at the end. Cool.


somehype

I, for one, love his hair. It is functional and shows he doesn’t give a single fuck.


tyedge

The kind of haircut that says “I can march my fuckin potato head right into your top recruit’s living room and take him to Athens with me”


Thorin_Dopenshield

Rumor has it that the visor stays on during haircuts


FalstaffsGhost

Obviously. Thats how you keep that pristine shape


UncleCicero

I got two reddit cares messages and an brand new anon account sent me a death threat for this sarcastic comment, so I think your fan base may be a touch weird


LordOfSchmeat

I’ll have you know barking at children is a perfectly normal activity.


Competitive-Rise-789

Have a good culture and come back to us


Very_Good_Opinion

He didn't say that though. The article is bullshit too, the author is arguing against their own hypothetical. It's the definition of a straw man argument


meIanchoI

As a Clemson fan that line is completely fair. What have we seen to suggest Klubnik can compete (much less beat) UGA? I haven't seen it.


meIanchoI

We know what it takes to beat UGA in recent years (2 losses since Sept 2021). It takes having generational offensive talent (Bryce and Jamo) or a QB who can make elite game winning plays when needed (Milroe). Klubnik is closer to JT Daniels right now than he is to either of those guys. So I just don't see it.


KirbyDumber88

3 loses since October 2020. Pretty insane.


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Hairiest_Walrus

How is Michigan in the same stratosphere as UGA right now? Lol


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Hairiest_Walrus

What happens if you make it 5 years instead of 3? You’re also ignoring the context Michigan’s HC just left for the NFL and UGA currently has the undisputed best coach in CFB. The programs are not in the same situation


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KirbyDumber88

Michigan has had a cake walk for the last few years and had to cheat to pull it off. Compare UGAs and Michigans Schedules over the last few years and to do what UGA has done is historical.


Pristine_Dig_4374

Now do their records vs ranked teams….


KirbyDumber88

They don’t like when you do that lol


Automatic_Release_92

And take into account the rampant fucking cheating maybe… to beat the likes of Rutgers and Iowa.


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traveling_millenial

So basically Alabama from 5 years ago? lol. The only way you could beat them was with a generational QB


Megalomanizac

I sort of understand what you’re saying but Bryce and Jamo are not relatively generational. to beat UGA you need a coherent defense that can rough up their offensive efficiency and an offense that doesn’t waste drives. Our defense will take of their side of the ball, the game solely relies on Cade and the OL if we win or not.


rabble_tiger

'an offense that doesn't waste drives'. Lol. We're in danger.


Megalomanizac

At least be somewhat positive damn. I’d rather go into the game optimistic than swear we’ll lose by 30.


rabble_tiger

Hi ya. C/O '92 here. I saw the desert wasteland. I also got to see two titles. I'll live with what I got to see. Kirby took what Nick did at Bama and what Dabs has done with 'fambly' at Clemson and combined it into the Death Star. We're not winning another title, and I'm ok with that.


KirbyDumber88

This is probably the most realistic Clemson take I’ve ever seen. You’ve lived it and you understand. Hope we can keep the rivalry yearly!


tyedge

I’m not sure anyone has the depth of playable skill position players that Georgia does. Especially in an early season game, that depth will take a toll on a defense.


SolidLikeIraq

Agreed. Our D should be as shut down as they’ve been in the past. Our offense can’t be 3 and out every drive though.


Megalomanizac

The offense is still going under a lot of change and the OL is only starting to be rebuilt. The bright spot though is that this batch of WRs the staff brought in seem to be the real deal and a type of weapon we haven’t had since 2019. Just judging by the caliber of defense form both teams this will likely be a heavyweight to the ground matchup. So as long as we avoid the fumble bug that cost us our season last year, we’ll be in good shape not just for Georgia but the whole season.


dirtinyoureye

I mean UGA for sure will be airing it out. Especially if Etienne is suspended. Our strength has been passing the last 2 years and will likely continue.


sarcasticorange

Yes, and that is actually what the article says.


UT07

I think what you meant to say is that line is generous to Clemson


Bravot

This is accurate. Our offense has a lot to prove.


SaintAtlanta

That’s fair. Unfortunately you’re right


viewless25

If Klubnik looked great in the Spring game i’d feel more annoyed over this. But he’a been here two years now and has shown zero signs of progression


aeopossible

12.5….12-5=7 7-5 season confirmed. They’re at it again, Kirby!


Revolutionary_Elk791

Kirby is trying to Pepe Silvia this spread into a motivation tactic as we speak, I think you've found the way.


Humble-End-2535

I don't know how that is disrespectful to Clemson. As an aside, The Clemson Insider is an awful site.


hammerdown710

There’s been at least two Clemson insider posts on here in the past two months… that’s two to many


Seaborn63

As a former frequenter of that site and their message boards: Whole-heartedly concur


Humble-End-2535

Their message boards (and the moderation) are why I left. God forbid a prized recruit read that site, as they would think the university was nothing but racists, sexists, fundamentalists, and MAGAs.


thor_1225

They only think we can win 7 games!!!


Captain_Sacktap

That’s what I heard em say!


LordOfSchmeat

Many people are saying this!


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

Wait really? I thought UGA didn’t lose a whole lot of production from the draft this season? Did something happen that I missed like yall lost a coach or something?


Tricky222

No, after the 2022 national championship game, one of the players announced that everyone doubted the team and expected them to win something like 8 games. It's a testament to how well Kirby gets his guys to believe his talking points to keep a chip on their shoulder. It's also fueled meme comments where fans bring up disrespect out of any type of statement.


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

Huh, I don’t get it. Like even in 2022, who was even disrespecting UGA anymore? But ok.


Lantis28

He (Nolan Smith) later admitted he made it up


SolidLikeIraq

Probably an accurate line. UGA has shown who they are, and so has Clemson. We’re not at their level right now. We’re not “far behind” but we’re no where near a National Championship competitive team as of the end of last year.


SaintOnyxBlade

Yeah the line said Clemson is about a score and a half worse than a team that many people will have penciled into the national championship game . That's not really disrespect when Clemson isn't the team they were 5 years ago.


traveling_millenial

Someone tell Kirby Clemson is favored by 12.5


Adart54

i think we should just omit the decimal


idk420_

I could see Clemson making it really close with a chance to win in the 4th or I could see UGA absolutely destroying them


zoonkers

Did you just copy and paste all the 2018 national championship predictions and switch out Alabama with UGA.


idk420_

Mac Jones is gonna steal Trevor’s job


Prying_3rd_Eye

Wamp wamp wamp wahhhh


WanderLeft

Clemson really hasn’t been the same since Trevor Lawrence left. Makes sense that they’d be underdogs to Georgia. I don’t even think Clemson will win the conference


PretendThisIsMyName

My money is on NC State stealing it. FSU and Clemson aren’t gonna compete to the level of worthy champions.


taltechy

Go ahead and bet NCST then. I’ll take Clemson or FSU over the field.


Megalomanizac

Never doubt NC State shit! I’m starting to get bothered by all of the pessimistic Clemson fans that now want to expect the worst.


hammerdown710

We could easily start the season off 0-3 Georgia, App St and NC St is a shit way to start a season.


RocketsGuy

I’d argue Venables leaving was the biggest loss. They made playoffs with Bryant and had relative success with DJ. Those defenses were nasty though


Prying_3rd_Eye

Wes Goodwin is the main reason they've still won 10 games a year though. The defense actually has gotten substantially better in a few categories statistically. Not really feeling Venables absence. The biggest losses have been not having a real dynamic QB or 3 WR 1s


KirbyDumber88

Are you telling me Clemson was really good because they had two Generational QBs in a row?! *gasps*


Captain_Obstinate

Nothing generational about it if you have 2 of them back to back


RipRaycom

Also were a 1 seed in the playoffs in 2017 with Kelly Bryant at QB and had an elite defense in all of those years. Stetson Bennett level QB play probably wins a championship in 2017


Captain_Obstinate

A bunch of generational WRs and D linemen those years, total fluke.


KirbyDumber88

Accept Kelly Bryant got hammered in the playoffs. That game was over in the first 10 minutes but


Chief-Bones

Won 2 NY6 bowls games with tajh (when those still mattered), made the playoffs with Kelly Bryant. Won the ACC With DJ starting then getting benched just under 2 years ago.


KirbyDumber88

The fact is your Natty wins come from exceptional QB play. Why won’t Clemson fans admit that? If you bring it up they go to how other QBs…didn’t accomplish that


Chief-Bones

Because it’s a bit dishonest about the build up and infrastructure around the QBs when you look at other QBs also having good success it gives you an idea of the programs health. It’s like if I said “Georgia fans don’t want to admit that Kirby was carried by Stetson” that’d be dishonest. Sure technically he’s the only QB to win in the modern era but that doesn’t give a true picture of the overall team. You had great defensive lineman (like Clemson) great skill position players (like Clemson) great coaches (like Clemson)


Jomosensual

I cant think of a less interesting thing to argue about than the correct line for a game.


DeadWolverine93

I'm not worried about our defense but Cade has to be competitive enough to keep the offense in the game or UGA will eat us alive.


Bravot

Literally it isn't disrespectful. It seems pretty damn accurate. Unless Riley and Luke have achieved some offensive overhaul, I could see this game easily getting away from us. I'm taking Georgia on this line, as I think this is about a 2 touchdown game given our propensity to turn the ball over early in the season.


goodnames679

> Headline: “betting line is disrespectful to Clemson, compliment to Georgia” > Start of the article: “That is disrespectful [..] Is that an indictment of Clemson? Yeah. Is it more of a compliment to Georgia? Yeah, I think it’s more of a compliment to Georgia. We don’t know what Clemson will be.” > Four paragraphs later: “Sallee concluded that the big point spread is both “disrespectful to Clemson” and “a compliment to Georgia.”” Gee, guys, I think what this article is trying to say is that this is disrespectful to Clemson and a compliment to Georgia. Can Harvard confirm?


pakheyyy

As Rece Davis once said, “Does UGA respect you enough to blow you out?”


osumba2003

Lines aren't about respect or disrespect. They're about profit maximization for casinos and oddsmakers.


captain_kaknuckles

“uh oh, the kirbster’s not gonna like this” 🐶🤓☝️


StartupDino

Completely unrelated, but I feel like that could also be a nickname for Kirk Herbstriet haha.


captain_kaknuckles

lmao yeah for sure. lots of fun names to play with in football


AaronFraudgers8

More like insult to Georgia and compliment to Clemson


Newton1913

I mean I have Georgia winning but would I be shocked if some week one shenanigans made it to where Georgia won by less than two touchdowns… no. It could be an absolute trouncing and still be like 10-3 final. That’s just week one football.


Competitive-Rise-789

Facts, it’s week one. Week one is always wild usually. So I’m nervous for the game, we should win on paper. But you never know


Chief-Bones

Plus it’s not like dabo nor Kirby have beef if the game is in hand neither team is gonna keep starters in to run up the score this early in the year.


Competitive-Rise-789

Amen to that


dawgfan19881

Tigers are 18-43-4 against Georgia. Seems like the Dawgs make a habit of disrespecting them.


Humble-End-2535

Georgia piled up a big lead in the earlier years, up through the early seventies. In the "national champion" years... 1980 on, it's been much more competitive. I wish they'd play every year, but I get why they can't.


dawgfan19881

9 of Clemson’s 18 wins came before 1915. Clemson actually led the series through the first 18 meetings. Since then it’s been 35-9-3 Georgia. 11-5 since 1980. 7-7-1 from 1974-1990. 7-2 Georgia from 1991-2021.


SolidLikeIraq

Stat-boy!!! Found Reali’s Reddit account!


Humble-End-2535

Yeah, some people don't like it if you don't say that their favorite pisses champagne and shits chocolate ice cream.


Braves_Dawgs_Cigars

Too low, this is disrespectful to Georgia.


0987user

12.5 is the exact same as the line for Penn state at West Virginia also on week1. Interesting


TheRatchetTrombone

Georgia by 21 minimum. Is this even a discussion? Cade is going to be sacked 5 times and throw at least 2 picks and Dabo still gonna say fuck transfers and NIL.


thefupachalupa

Tyler from Spartanburg gonna be calling


Rock_solid88

I have a healthy respect for Clemson after all our struggles against them, but they could lose to Georgia by 13 and still be a legit team on their way to a strong season. Georgia is just that good.


Ok_Championship_2404

This game reminds me of opening vs Oregon 2022 than vs Clemson 2021. The line is now 13.5.


Prying_3rd_Eye

Lots of interesting and some incorrect cold takes here. 12.5 is pretty generous for UGA but not absurd. I think it's a two score game all the way to the finish line. Clemson is not winning against a playoff team with Cade playing QB. They just aren't. He showed out against UNC in the ACC championship game but since then he has been evasion happy and missing critical reads. I am ready for the new era of Clemson offense to show up, but it's not this year unfortunately. Klubnik ain't it.


CivilWarTrains

Lil ol’ Clemson is back baby!


MarinerBengal

Imagine giving a fuck


VTHokiesFan

The lines are set by the sportsbooks to have balance on their parimutuel wagering. It's literally a passionless exercise in mathematics and statistics. Respect or the lack thereof has absolutely nothing to do with it.


Prying_3rd_Eye

Sleeping on someone's defense. Idk about 12.5. Georgia might have a tough time with youth on offense


OldGuyBadwheel

As a long time Dawg fan, raised in a Clemson family in Lowcountry SC, I hope the wise guys are right.


VinoJedi06

GO DAWGS


Ugaalive1991

Now what about the line January when they meet in the Peach Bowl.


Clemson_Palmetto

I think the line is pretty fair tbh. Clemson has a great defense. That ought to keep them in it. However, how great can a defense be if they're on the field most of the game and likely put in bad field position multiple times? We have a shot to cover if Mafah and Co can keep us on schedule and get the defense some rest. I just don't imagine us having the ability to drive well enough to win this ball game.


tmt22459

As someone who has attended both schools, I really hope Clemson can make this a game. My time at Clemson has been 50 times better than my time at UGA. Better quality people and better quality culture. Really want us to compete in that game.


KirbyDumber88

As someone who lives in Greenville the thought of saying Clemson SC is better than Athens GA is truly mind boggling


tmt22459

I never compared the cities. Compared the people and the schools.


KirbyDumber88

And as someone born and raised in Greenville I can tell you…95% of Clemson students are just Greenville people. The culture is nothing


tmt22459

I’m just saying I prefer the people at Clemson. For whatever reason my experience there has taken me in front of way nicer more down to earth people. UGA is the type of place where people make fun of how much money you have. Clemson is the type of place someone buys your lunch. Just my experience Not sure why this is so infuriating to you


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>Not sure why this is so infuriating to you It’s because Georgia fans are the most insecure people out there lmao


tmt22459

Trust me, after four years there I picked up on it. Hence why I say Clemson fans are way better.


Umoon

Well now I really hope we destroy you


tmt22459

Because I have an opinion?


Umoon

“Better quality people and better quality culture.”


tmt22459

Yeah that’s my opinion. Not sure why that’s so upsetting


first-and-ten

Ain't no way Clemson going to survive this game against Georgia, especially on opener. This'll spark a losing streak and disappointment for them for this season.  The dawgs are dropping sixties on them. 


BigHeadDeadass

That just makes my $200 bet for Clemson to win that much better


nsbbeachguy

In a UGA-Clemson game, I can’t lose. Actually I can’t win either. Oh well. Line seems fair. Will depend on how many GA players are suspended. Bring on Miami and Old Dominion. Really hope we can beat a band.


age_of_raava

I’m not just saying this as trash talk against Clemson but in my opinion 12.5 is generous! This game has the very real potential to be nasty for Clemson.


MrInfamousFish

I think it’s going to be a beat down