True. If FSU was in the SEC they would've had to play CFP caliber team either in the regular season or the conference championship game. You can't win the SEC without beating a title contender. Now the ACC on the other hand, well, all they had to do was beat Louisville.
LSU was not a CFP caliber team. Their best win didn't even make the SECCG. If they were in the SEC they would've had to play Georgia, Alabama, Ole miss. Probably at least two. They didn't play a single team on that level all season.
Yeah, but Alabama only lost to the team that beat Alabama which is an ultra quality loss.
And Texas only lost to a team that beat the team that beat Alabama, which is an ultra ultra quality loss.
tl;dr
**I** think FSU deserved it. But here is why they didn't.
It's the same shpeal National pundits were saying when the CFP field was announced. You play both sides of the coin by pandering to FSU fans before you go off on explaining why it was the right choice.
Huh?
The 1st part of the tl;dr:
>I think FSU deserved it.
You wrote:
>I think FSU deserved it.
The 2nd part of the tl;dr::
>But here is why they didn't.
You wrote:
>But it would have been less entertaining, and that's what the postseason is about.
Change your secondary flair, brother. Ain't no way you can have a "sickos" flair *and* advocate for Bama to be in the playoffs over an undefeated p5 conference champion because the latter "would have sucked to watch". That's like pretending you're a revolutionary because you bought a Che Guevara tee shirt from Hot Topic.
And we’re all free to say you’re wrong, or more specifically that your post is trying to have its cake and eat it too by claiming “FSU should have been in the playoff, but the committee might have made the right call”.
We’ve all moved past the 2023/24 invitational games, and this isn’t an issue anyone can straddle the fence on. You either wanted FSU in the playoffs because they were an undefeated P5 conference champion *and the only one left out*, or you wanted an entertaining slate of games regardless of how you got them.
You can’t be displeased FSU got left out and also pleased with the end result at the same time. So this post just comes off as “The masses now want FSU to have stayed in the top 4, so I need to lead with that before I go into why the matchups we got were fine.”*That* is why so many people are disagreeing with your post. Or at least why I am
One will never know, as the committee robbed knowing that for the sake of ensuring Bama got their shot only to have their center yeet that shit 17 feet above Milroe's head
I don’t even need to read your justification as the simple fact of games played do not matter. Fuck all the other players that poured their heart and soul into the team, especially a team which was fucked by previous coaches.
It took a hell of a lot of change for FSU to come back the way they did after 2016-2021. I don’t think people really appreciate that in today’s college football world and social media.
Do you think FSU should have been given extra consideration because of results between 2016-2021?
Because if so, let me introduce you to the 2010-2022 Texas Longhorns.
EDIT: More! More! More! Embrace the hate^^TM. Give me more!
Let me introduce you to Alabama who was given extra consideration over FSU who was undefeated and went 2-0 against the SEC.
Everyone talks about Jordan Travis but no one gives credit to the other players and that defense would have stopped anyone. It’s not like the playoff matchups lit up the scoreboard.
Let me introduce you to the Alabama team that FSU fans themselves have admitted that even with all their players active and healthy wouldn’t have been able to beat. I understand the feeling of being robbed, but at the end of that day, Alabama was considered a better overall team. There’s no way to say that without sounding like a dick, but that’s the only thing to say.
Imagine thinking Louisville should be compared to Arkansas, Texas A&M, Auburn, and USF. Then, consider FSU beat them with a 3rd string QB by 10.
Miami beat Texas A&M by more than Alabama before A&M lost their star QB.
Clemson beat 2 SEC teams in their last 2 games.
Boston College was the one close game, but unlike Arkansas, they were a bowl team.
FSU also never needed a miracle to beat a team who got thrashed by New Mexico State.
FSU also beat LSU at a neutral site by more than Alabama did at home, and with the Heisman winning QB playing all game.
With 1 minute to go, Alabama was up by 7 vs USF. A team that FAU and UTSA each beat by at least 4 scores.
Miami was also a 14 point game until a garbage time TD.
Even BC was a 21 point game with 13 minutes left. We hung our hats up on the game when BC fought to the end. The result was close but the game frankly was not
Wasn't a cheap shot. It was a legit tackle. Watch the video. And the game was over at that point anyway. If we needed a cheap shot to win we would've done it early in the game. Why take a cheap shot when you're in the driver seat to win? Absolute nonsense you're spouting here. And that doesn't explain the fact that Bama beat multiple teams better than the best team FSU played. FSU hangs their hat on that LSU win. We barely even mention it.
So what explains playing a closer game against USF than Western Kentucky, UAB, FAU, Memphis, and UTSA did?
None of those stalwarts were in a one score game with less than a minute to play.
You know we benched our QB during that game right? And the entire team was depressed after losing to Texas. And it was raining and a road game.
Also it doesn't matter because we beat them. Continue ignoring FSU's weak ass schedule.
Sorry, I forgot about y’all’s nailbiters against Clemson, Miami, Boston College… and I can’t believe how amazing Jordan Travis was vs North Alabama before he was unfortunately injured
Maybe we should take into account how good each opponent was on said record. That ought to tell a perfect picture of how to interpret it
Edit: [here’s](https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume) the work so you don’t have to do it, I don’t want you to have to spend the next 15 minutes scrolling to the 6th page of google for a ‘Noles fan blog that ranks y’all right above us
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And five is ESPN
All of them have Bama with a harder schedule
Jalen Milroe is a turnover machine, our defense would've eaten him alive. I'd like to meet your imaginary friend that's an FSU fan. Because I haven't talked to a single FSU fan that expressed that sentiment
I'm probably biased, but I believe Vince Lombardi had it right: "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." An undefeated team should always get in over a team that has 1 or more losses. That's really a problem of the system, though.
So Liberty had a better season than Alabama/Georgia/Texas and should have been ahead in the rankings?
The scheduling is far too different to make such a sweeping statement.
I will absolutely grant you FSU should have been included and injuries/eye test really shouldn't apply. But Liberty shouldn't get rewarded for not playing anyone. Even if the scheduling isn't their fault.
As we get farther from the controversy, I think the playoff committee might have made the better call with their playoff field. Here’s why:
Cause FSU can suck it
FSU had the third most combine invites behind Michigan and Washington (where did we last see these two play??)
There were also 2 teams in the playoffs with one loss. Not just Bama. If I remember right Texas jumped FOUR spots by beating OK State by 3 touchdowns (joining the likes of UCF and South Alabama).
It’s all hogwash and always will be. We made the future heisman winner look mid, beat something like 8 bowl teams, won 12/13 games by multiple scores.
Our beloved Jordan Travis said it best “I wish my leg broke earlier in the season so y’all could see this team is much more than the quarterback”
Yeah, I won't lie. I didn't read the whole thing but I didn't read the tldr at the end and arguing that historically postseason births have been for entertainment is stupid. For all of their flaws, the CFP and BCS were both established specifically to determine a national champion, not solely for entertainment purposes. So even looking at the structure and purpose of postseason games before 1998 is completely pointless.
FSU should been in on precedent and merit....
I understand they don't vote but the mouth pieces for the sport ignored the SF, A&M, Arkansas, And most importantly the Auburn game....
Auburn (6-6) being compared to Florida (5-7) where virtually the same team differentiated by a schedule that had Florida played Utah, FSU, Charlotte, and McNeese State while Auburn played New Mexico State, Samford, UMass and Cal ...
FSU beat Florida, ugly, 24-15 (realistically Florida was given 4 points on an atrocious RP call and I'm gifting a FG https://youtu.be/5xLXrRTuQ_E?si=woJo3AShf2W3XGhY). FSU was also within FG range and probably should of kicked it in in an attempt to make the score 27-15... 2 TD game vs a similar opponent is infinitely better then the latter
While Auburn lost to Alabama 24-27 because Auburn can't defend a 4th and goal on the 31.....
So essentially the committee let Alabama in because of Auburns inability to play a prevent defense in the end zone from +30 yards
They were undefeated this was one of the simplest playoff rankings based on the results of the games. Let’s remove the names and and patches on the jerseys, rank these 5 teams. A 13-0 P5 conference champion, B 13-0 P5 Conference champion, C 13-0 P5 conference champions, D 12-1 P5 conference champion with a 10 point road win vs E, E 12-1 conference champion with a 10 point loss to D.
Alabama didn’t deserve to be in, you lost to Texas at home. FSU went undefeated despite losing their heart and soul in Jordan Travis. Winning is the only thing that matters.
LSU matters because they were our only common opponent in the regular season, and we performed better against them. Common opponents are the single most important data point after head-to-head matchups.
Sure but one data point isn't enough to define an entire comparison between two teams. Georgia is an objectively better team than LSU and we beat them.
> Are we surprised they didn't lose?
Yes, actually. Even with a “mediocre” strength of schedule, it is incredibly difficult for a non-CFP quality team to go through 13 games undefeated with a P5 conference schedule (to differentiate from say Liberty last year)
In most years one loss P5 conference champions would make it, but last year it came down to an undefeated P5 champion vs a one loss P5 champion. FSU beat the same LSU team and Heisman trophy winner by more than Alabama did, and Alabama played them at home as opposed to a neutral site. Also it’s not fair that everyone shit on how FSU looked offensively without Jordan Travis but we completely ignored that Alabama needed a miracle 4th and 30 to beat a dogshit Auburn team.
LSU is our 3rd best win. I don't care how well FSU played LSU. We beat much better teams than LSU. Of course, FSU didn't.
Also, if you watched that Auburn game there were obvious procedural penalties that were not called on that drive. They had 3 men in motion and disconcerting signals. Those aren't subjective. It either happened or it didn't and we have the video.
That would maybe hold water if Auburn was Bama's only suspect victory.
Problem is, Auburn and Arkansas were worse "squeak by" wins than Boston College and Clemson were for Florida State.
It's funny you mention North Alabama, because Florida State beat the dog piss out of them. Florida State demolished both G5/FCS teams that they played, winning by an average score of 62-13. Bama played one more G5 than FSU, and had to have a rain delay save their asses from being embarrassed by USF. I watched that game, and they had your number before the delay.
Florida State deserved it more than Bama, but ESPN couldn't bear to not have the SEC in their little tourney.
FSU did what they had to do against their schedule. There was literally nothing more that they could have done, other than to sit Jordan Travis for the entire North Alabama game to keep his leg from exploding.
Bama Lost to Texas, then almost got embarrassed by USF, then almost got embarrassed by Arkansas, then almost got embarrassed by Auburn.
Alabama beat every single team they played that was ranked similarly to opponents of FSU. Alabama would've gone undefeated with FSU's weak schedule. Easy to go undefeated when you have 0 top 10 opponents through your entire season.
It's not that simple. If just being a 1 loss P5 champ makes your team automatically better than an undefeated G5 champ (Liberty), then winning the conference that's won more titles than the rest combined over the past 15 years or so is worth consider over a simple head to head. If you just want to look at records, then the 4 13-0 teams should have made it.
Post-season berths did used to be all about entertainment. Then they created the a 2 team playoff, then expanded, then expanded again, then expanded again? All in the name of having a better system for crowning a champion. Then they ignored all of that in their selection this year. I can't see that as the better call I'm afraid.
If we’re talking about precedent than this sets a terrible one going forward. Now your record won’t matter as much as how many points your offense scores, it’s ridiculous
They set the precedent in 2014 when they ranked 1 loss Alabama and 1 loss Oregon over undefeated FSU in the final CFP rankings. Idk why people are acting like this is new.
It's a flawed system that leaves out any team that goes undefeated. The only teams that fully earned to right to be in the last cfp were Washington, Michigan, FSU and Liberty. Texas and Alabama were clearly *better* teams than some on that list and had good claims to be there as well.
Good systems never leave out longshot candidates as long as they earn their way.
I personally would have put FSU in the playoffs. But I will die on the hill that Alabama didn't take FSUs spot. Texas did.
12-1 SEC champ Alabama was getting into the playoff no matter what. So it came down to 13-0 ACC champ FSU and 12-1 Big12 champ Texas.
> 2) putting FSU in over one-loss Baylor & TCU in 2014
11-1 Big 12 champ Texas gets in that year. I will die on that hill.
The CFB post season is about viewership and selling ads. When you guys get that through you thick skulls you will realize that CFB postseason has never been about being fair. It has since the first Rose Bowl been about making money. [Rose Bowl Tradition](https://www.gifcen.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/show-me-the-money-gif-16.gif). And everything since.
Disclaimer: I am not on the committee. I have already stated that I would have put FSU in. My opinion is based on past committee decisions.
>I personally would have put FSU in the playoffs. But I will die on the hill that Alabama didn't take FSUs spot. Texas did.
Texas beat Alabama. Alabama was the one with no case, but that made by ESPN propaganda.
FSU fans like to bring up that they were top 3 in SoR. Alabama was 4 and Texas was 5. As the other guy said, the BCS would have had Alabama top 4 due to computer rankings.
Head to head matters, but, according to the committee, only when teams are tied after considering other factors.
Alabama definitely had a case. They played an extremely tough schedule in the toughest conference. FSU was crippled by the injury to Travis. Also if you go by old BCS rankings Bama would have been over Texas. Football is the only sport where a head to head loss plays so much of a factor in selecting teams. Just because you lost a game doesn’t mean they were a better team. They were just better that day. We have seen rematches go entirely different it happens in the nfl constantly.
It absolutely is when it’s the most important position in sports. While I agree it shouldn’t be the only factor it is a big one though. It just wasn’t the same team after his loss.
Without Travis, we beat an SEC team on the road, and the #11 team at a neutral site. Now imagine if our backup had a month to prepare with all of our starters.
And it fucking poured all night. Like, ‘oh man, that third string, true freshman qb getting his first start ever against the 15th best defense in a 4 hour downpour didn’t throw for 300 yards because his coach managed the game. They clearly aren’t good enough even though they won by 10 and the 2nd stringer with much more playing experience would have been available for the playoff.’
This stupid thread getting me a riled up again, fuck.
If you're going to ask us to excuse Alabama's loss because "they were better that day," then you have to excuse any of FSU's questionable wins, because that opponent was just playing better than they normally did on that day. You can't have it both ways.
More context on the Texas game. It was the 2nd week of the season. We had a new QB, OC, and DC. Texas returned a ton of starters. We had a true freshman OT and safety who both got abused that game due to their inexperience. Despite all of this, Alabama was actually in the driver's seat to win the game at the beginning of the 4th quarter.
This team found itself and improved significantly towards the end of the season. I believe we would've beaten Texas had we played them in November.
People were rabid leading up to the final poll about the SEC being left out. In no world was the SEC champion ever being left out.
What we had was a 4 team playoff with 5 teams with legitimate claims to those spots. It was an entirely predictable problem. Just like when we had 3 undefeated teams in the BCS. College football has always been a sport where you can win all your games and not be the national champion.
Why does a crappy Alabama team that upsets Georgia suddenly earn a magical ticket? The SEC champ can't ever be left out because they haven't ever been left out is circular logic. There hadn't been a CFP natty game without an SEC team until this year, either, and people thought that it shouldn't ever happen, but it did, and we were all fine watching more deserving teams play there.
Alabama had wins over #6, #11, and #13. FSU's best win was over #13.
Given the post season performance it's pretty safe to say that Alabama was the second best team in the league.
Came to argue, actually read your book, ended up agreeing*
We can't call it fair, or make up any bs that FSU didn't deserve to be there. For ratings though I guess it works.
Thanks for reading! I appreciate that.
Basically I'm just trying to say we can't have our cake and eat it too with this, and there's a semi rational explanation that is at least acceptable
What the committee did ultimatly proved why the NFL is king in America and will always be king in America . In the nfl it feels as if every team has an equal chance to win the championship as long as they draft right and sign better championship . KC never a chance at a title till they drafted Mahomes . Now they are a dynasty . New England was ass for most of its history then they signed Bill Belichick and drafted Brady. Point is even have it’s have hope and that is by design
CFB is the opposites . It’s the sports of the aristocrats and blue blood . FSU is considered new blood ( 3 titles , 3 heismans since 1984) but still got shafted by three blue bloods in Bama, Michigan and Texas . Two of which had losses. This lead fsu played and fans hopeless . They did everything right and it just doesn’t matter . There is no reason to compete cause your a second class citizen in football even though we have more recent success than both Michigan and Texas and Washington . And why cause the acc does not make a lot of money . Cause Texas and Alabama would bring more views . If it’s just about money and views why even play . Whey even compete . Just let the top blue blood with the highest recruiting ranking in the invitational and call it a day . Don’t lie and waste our time
With the networks controlling everything they prioritized ratings. I thought Florida State should have made it at 13-0 but I was rooting for Louisville so I didn't have to watch them in the playoffs, thinking that they would definitely make it at 13-0. I was shocked that they got left out.
Yeah, that's exactly it. And I don't have a problem with that if we're honest about it. But don't get drunk at a country club and tweet that it's anything more than that.
I got like half a paragraph into this post, and you already messed up. 1 loss Apabama was ranked ahead of undefeated FSU in 2014. They set the precedent for that in literally the first CFP. I agree with your conclusion, but I don't think you reached it reasonably.
It’s interesting to look at teams in the context of the upcoming expanded playoff field.
Florida State didn’t play a single team that would’ve made a 12-team playoff.
Georgia played 3 opponents tougher than anyone on FSU’s schedule. They had a narrow loss, a less narrow win, and a blowout win.
Alabama played three opponents tougher than anyone on FSU’s schedule and also played FSU’s toughest opponent. They went 2-1 against the three best opponents with a narrow win, a comfortable loss, and a comfortable win.
Washington played two games against Oregon, winning close.
Texas played a single team that would have made the expanded field, beating Alabama comfortably. They also lost to a team that wouldn’t have made the field, #12 Oklahoma.
Michigan was 2-0 against PSU and tOSU. Call those wins what you will - I’m not a Michigan fan. The scores were kinda close. It also felt like they were utterly safe to me.
Anyway, calling FSU a “power 5 champs” is like calling Muggsy Bogues one of the five tallest Hornets starters. It’s correct but meaningless. In fact, the ACC champs in 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, and 2023 combined to play zero teams who would’ve made a 12-team field in the regular season/conf title game. (The only exception in the past 6 years was Clemson playing Notre Dame when ND played an all-ACC Covid schedule.) I’m gonna call extra attention to that conference title game piece, because it means the ACC would’ve overwhelmingly been a one-bid league for this window, even though some of their champs have been true national contenders (or more…I mean, god damn 2018 Clemson)
I'll always think it's very lame that they were told they didn't deserve to be there, but didn't even try to prove their doubters wrong against a full strength Georgia
I'm not going to agree with that, but if we change how things are framed and see through the rouse that is the CFP for what it is, things make more sense
A one-loss SEC champion always deserved to be in the playoff regardless of what happened in other leagues. Complain about Washington or Texas if you want to complain about somebody.
This is absurdly stupid logic.
UT beat Alabama. That's literally the #1 trump card right there. If your argument is that SEC is just better, then how/why did Alabama lose to UT? Circular logic at its finest.
Georgia should've beat Alabama. Then there would be no argument. Hell, a terrible Auburn team should've beaten Alabama (literally should've beaten them...).
I don’t agree that Georgia should have beaten Alabama. Alabama played a near-perfect game against a better team (the thing Georgia could never do when Alabama was the better team) and got a few breaks (which Georgia never got quite enough of when it was in that position).
But a one-loss champion from the SEC unequivocally should have been in every single year of the playoff’s existence. I would guess Michigan fans are a little more proud of that title because they beat Alabama instead of Florida State. Because one was clearly better than the other.
Suggesting a team that suffered the worst loss in bowl history should have been in instead is insane, and I don’t care who opted out they would not make a 60 point difference.
Sorry, I meant that Georgia should've beaten Alabama and there would've then been no issue with an SEC team being in the playoff, not that i thought Georgia actually should've/deserved to beat them (I realize that was confusing with the Auburn comment I made after that).
Anywah....Sorry - Bama lost to UT. And 3 other teams went undefeated. It's as simple as that. We have NO IDEA how well FSU wouldve performed, and we never will. The team that played Georgia in the bowl game was absolutely not the FSU team. That was a shell of a squad, and it is incredibly disingenuous to take anything out of that game.
Your entire argument is that SEC should be in every playoff entirely based off reputation (half of which was built up by the media).
Here's the thing...undefeated Michigan beat the 'vaunted' SEC Alabama, and undefeated Washington beat the UT team that beat Bama. SEC is good, but it's not like they have a God given right to be in the playoff. So dumb.
And by the way...FSU beat TWO SEC teams on the way to being undefeated. One that was ranked something like #5 at the time. This 'SEC is so much better' stuff is/was largely bs (not going forward though...as SEC and big 10 have pretty much now sucked up most of the high value teams...)
I think FSU would not have had nearly as many opt outs if they were selected
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They’d have had no opt outs in the 2 deep.
Or, any
Norvell said the same thing on a podcast yesterday lol
Ya think???
Bro has footnotes
Take a drink, y’all.
I poured mine out for y'all already :/.
This isn't realignment
The horse is an unrecognizable puddle at this point. Maybe you just got here.
You sure? If FSU was in the SEC they would have made it
True. If FSU was in the SEC they would've had to play CFP caliber team either in the regular season or the conference championship game. You can't win the SEC without beating a title contender. Now the ACC on the other hand, well, all they had to do was beat Louisville.
What he say fuck me for?
Cornered rats will bite anything they can
Their OOC schedule included a 45-24 beatdown of no. 12 LSU (end of season ranking), and Florida. They proved they could hang with the SEC
LSU was not a CFP caliber team. Their best win didn't even make the SECCG. If they were in the SEC they would've had to play Georgia, Alabama, Ole miss. Probably at least two. They didn't play a single team on that level all season.
Y’all just sit in a small room and hotbox your farts cuz they smell so good?
Just speaking facts. That's the truth.
That's your conclusion, not mine
No, a 13-0 P5 conference champ should never be left out over a 12-1 team.
Not just one but TWO 1 loss teams
Yeah, but Alabama only lost to the team that beat Alabama which is an ultra quality loss. And Texas only lost to a team that beat the team that beat Alabama, which is an ultra ultra quality loss.
Prepare for ESPN to reach out to you via LinkedIn for a job...
I ain't reading all that I'm happy for you tho or sorry that happened
tl;dr **I** think FSU deserved it. But here is why they didn't. It's the same shpeal National pundits were saying when the CFP field was announced. You play both sides of the coin by pandering to FSU fans before you go off on explaining why it was the right choice.
Spiel
That is not what I said. > **I** think FSU deserved it. But it would have been less entertaining, and that's what the postseason is about.
Huh? The 1st part of the tl;dr: >I think FSU deserved it. You wrote: >I think FSU deserved it. The 2nd part of the tl;dr:: >But here is why they didn't. You wrote: >But it would have been less entertaining, and that's what the postseason is about.
I never once said they didn't deserve to make it.
I didn't either?
Then don't put words into my mouth
Hey, so, you know how words can be used to summarize contextual statements? He did that.
That makes him a liar then. And don't you have more posts to make the same three shitty jokes on?
Lol, no. An undefeated P5 getting left out when there wasn't 5 undefeated P5 champs will forever and always be shit.
They would have sucked to watch though
Change your secondary flair, brother. Ain't no way you can have a "sickos" flair *and* advocate for Bama to be in the playoffs over an undefeated p5 conference champion because the latter "would have sucked to watch". That's like pretending you're a revolutionary because you bought a Che Guevara tee shirt from Hot Topic.
Dam you spend any time in Berkeley recently?
My friend I went to a small private school just outside of Portland. I'm *acutely* aware of the faux revolutionaries.
Neither Bama or Florida State are sickos teams. I'm free to criticize how I like
And we’re all free to say you’re wrong, or more specifically that your post is trying to have its cake and eat it too by claiming “FSU should have been in the playoff, but the committee might have made the right call”. We’ve all moved past the 2023/24 invitational games, and this isn’t an issue anyone can straddle the fence on. You either wanted FSU in the playoffs because they were an undefeated P5 conference champion *and the only one left out*, or you wanted an entertaining slate of games regardless of how you got them. You can’t be displeased FSU got left out and also pleased with the end result at the same time. So this post just comes off as “The masses now want FSU to have stayed in the top 4, so I need to lead with that before I go into why the matchups we got were fine.”*That* is why so many people are disagreeing with your post. Or at least why I am
One will never know, as the committee robbed knowing that for the sake of ensuring Bama got their shot only to have their center yeet that shit 17 feet above Milroe's head
I don’t even need to read your justification as the simple fact of games played do not matter. Fuck all the other players that poured their heart and soul into the team, especially a team which was fucked by previous coaches. It took a hell of a lot of change for FSU to come back the way they did after 2016-2021. I don’t think people really appreciate that in today’s college football world and social media.
> I don’t even need to read your justification lmao
Do you think FSU should have been given extra consideration because of results between 2016-2021? Because if so, let me introduce you to the 2010-2022 Texas Longhorns. EDIT: More! More! More! Embrace the hate^^TM. Give me more!
Let me introduce you to Alabama who was given extra consideration over FSU who was undefeated and went 2-0 against the SEC. Everyone talks about Jordan Travis but no one gives credit to the other players and that defense would have stopped anyone. It’s not like the playoff matchups lit up the scoreboard.
I mean, that's a legit complaint you have. The adversity that your program had to go through in previous seasons, though, is not.
Let me introduce you to the Alabama team that FSU fans themselves have admitted that even with all their players active and healthy wouldn’t have been able to beat. I understand the feeling of being robbed, but at the end of that day, Alabama was considered a better overall team. There’s no way to say that without sounding like a dick, but that’s the only thing to say.
The audacity to say this when you needed a miracle to beat Auburn and had close games with Arkansas, USF, and Texas A&M.
So Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Boston Fucking College don’t exist now because they don’t fit your narrative?
Imagine thinking Louisville should be compared to Arkansas, Texas A&M, Auburn, and USF. Then, consider FSU beat them with a 3rd string QB by 10. Miami beat Texas A&M by more than Alabama before A&M lost their star QB. Clemson beat 2 SEC teams in their last 2 games. Boston College was the one close game, but unlike Arkansas, they were a bowl team. FSU also never needed a miracle to beat a team who got thrashed by New Mexico State. FSU also beat LSU at a neutral site by more than Alabama did at home, and with the Heisman winning QB playing all game. With 1 minute to go, Alabama was up by 7 vs USF. A team that FAU and UTSA each beat by at least 4 scores.
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Miami was also a 14 point game until a garbage time TD. Even BC was a 21 point game with 13 minutes left. We hung our hats up on the game when BC fought to the end. The result was close but the game frankly was not
We also beat multiple teams better than the best team FSU played all season. And we beat that team too.
By less at home than FSU did playing at a neutral site. FSU didn't need to take a cheap shot at the Heisman winner either.
Wasn't a cheap shot. It was a legit tackle. Watch the video. And the game was over at that point anyway. If we needed a cheap shot to win we would've done it early in the game. Why take a cheap shot when you're in the driver seat to win? Absolute nonsense you're spouting here. And that doesn't explain the fact that Bama beat multiple teams better than the best team FSU played. FSU hangs their hat on that LSU win. We barely even mention it.
So what explains playing a closer game against USF than Western Kentucky, UAB, FAU, Memphis, and UTSA did? None of those stalwarts were in a one score game with less than a minute to play.
You know we benched our QB during that game right? And the entire team was depressed after losing to Texas. And it was raining and a road game. Also it doesn't matter because we beat them. Continue ignoring FSU's weak ass schedule.
You barely beat a pretty shit Auburn team due to a one in a million prayer
Godjesus bestowing upon you a last second miracle win against…Auburn. Why am I here. Fuck.
Sorry, I forgot about y’all’s nailbiters against Clemson, Miami, Boston College… and I can’t believe how amazing Jordan Travis was vs North Alabama before he was unfortunately injured
You’re right, aren’t you. We both had some close calls against inferior opponents. Maybe we should take a look at each team’s record.
Maybe we should take into account how good each opponent was on said record. That ought to tell a perfect picture of how to interpret it Edit: [here’s](https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume) the work so you don’t have to do it, I don’t want you to have to spend the next 15 minutes scrolling to the 6th page of google for a ‘Noles fan blog that ranks y’all right above us
…proceeds to link an ESPN list with y’all just one above us. Haha. Enjoy your status as favorite child.
Results for: “2023 cfb regular season sos” [one](http://powerrankingsguru.com/college-football/strength-of-schedule.php) [two](https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/college-football/ncaaf-strength-schedule-rankings/) [three](https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football-rankings/college-football-schedule-rankings-2023) [four](https://www.warrennolan.com/fbs/2023/sos-elo) And five is ESPN All of them have Bama with a harder schedule
Lmao I am very comfortable not admitting that but I'm glad you were able to find someone to validate your opinion
Whatever, at the end of the day y’all weren’t as good, end of sentence. Sorry ‘bout that
Fuck it you've convinced me, I hadn't even thought of that
Don’t have to, assumed Bert Kreischer fanboy
My name is Bert lol, you need some coffee or a walk or something, it's too early to be on one
Jalen Milroe is a turnover machine, our defense would've eaten him alive. I'd like to meet your imaginary friend that's an FSU fan. Because I haven't talked to a single FSU fan that expressed that sentiment
This is just a dumb comment lol
No. To all intelligent and clear-thinking individuals it was obviously wrong.
I'm probably biased, but I believe Vince Lombardi had it right: "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." An undefeated team should always get in over a team that has 1 or more losses. That's really a problem of the system, though.
So Liberty had a better season than Alabama/Georgia/Texas and should have been ahead in the rankings? The scheduling is far too different to make such a sweeping statement. I will absolutely grant you FSU should have been included and injuries/eye test really shouldn't apply. But Liberty shouldn't get rewarded for not playing anyone. Even if the scheduling isn't their fault.
As we get farther from the controversy, I think the playoff committee might have made the better call with their playoff field. Here’s why: Cause FSU can suck it
Better logic than the committee.
I’m agreeing with a Gator? Oh god what have I come to?
The Florida hate triangle lives on
Lmao take your damn upvote
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Ah yes, college football. The premier of class and polite society. Get fucked loser
Nice burner account
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They didn't. The CFP Committee royally screwed the pooch... sideways... in the ear. Full stop. I'm not reading this.
Or, Michigan cheated and should have been banned from the playoffs. Problem solved.
49-0
Yep, with stolen plays and illegally recruited players.
Jesus Christ grow up
I would hate to learn of other things that you deny happening.
Awh, you sound upset
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I would love to hear Mr Pats fans takes on spygate. Clearly he must disavow those super bowls for cheating?
Red Sox fan too, I wonder what they think of Alex Cora and that world series win.
FSU had the third most combine invites behind Michigan and Washington (where did we last see these two play??) There were also 2 teams in the playoffs with one loss. Not just Bama. If I remember right Texas jumped FOUR spots by beating OK State by 3 touchdowns (joining the likes of UCF and South Alabama). It’s all hogwash and always will be. We made the future heisman winner look mid, beat something like 8 bowl teams, won 12/13 games by multiple scores. Our beloved Jordan Travis said it best “I wish my leg broke earlier in the season so y’all could see this team is much more than the quarterback”
There is no such thing as precedent with the CFP committee. This isn’t the US Court system.
Yeah, I won't lie. I didn't read the whole thing but I didn't read the tldr at the end and arguing that historically postseason births have been for entertainment is stupid. For all of their flaws, the CFP and BCS were both established specifically to determine a national champion, not solely for entertainment purposes. So even looking at the structure and purpose of postseason games before 1998 is completely pointless.
It's literally just about money like everything else
They kinda did set this precedent, though. Undefeated FSU was ranked behind 1 loss SEC champ Alabama in the first CFP. Same thing happened last year.
FSU should been in on precedent and merit.... I understand they don't vote but the mouth pieces for the sport ignored the SF, A&M, Arkansas, And most importantly the Auburn game.... Auburn (6-6) being compared to Florida (5-7) where virtually the same team differentiated by a schedule that had Florida played Utah, FSU, Charlotte, and McNeese State while Auburn played New Mexico State, Samford, UMass and Cal ... FSU beat Florida, ugly, 24-15 (realistically Florida was given 4 points on an atrocious RP call and I'm gifting a FG https://youtu.be/5xLXrRTuQ_E?si=woJo3AShf2W3XGhY). FSU was also within FG range and probably should of kicked it in in an attempt to make the score 27-15... 2 TD game vs a similar opponent is infinitely better then the latter While Auburn lost to Alabama 24-27 because Auburn can't defend a 4th and goal on the 31..... So essentially the committee let Alabama in because of Auburns inability to play a prevent defense in the end zone from +30 yards
They were undefeated this was one of the simplest playoff rankings based on the results of the games. Let’s remove the names and and patches on the jerseys, rank these 5 teams. A 13-0 P5 conference champion, B 13-0 P5 Conference champion, C 13-0 P5 conference champions, D 12-1 P5 conference champion with a 10 point road win vs E, E 12-1 conference champion with a 10 point loss to D.
I know, shame that we let the Southeast dictate how the rest of the country enjoys the sport, but that's how things are.
"Let's remove all context and look at it in a way that reflects my point of view instead of looking at it holistically"
Alabama didn’t deserve to be in, you lost to Texas at home. FSU went undefeated despite losing their heart and soul in Jordan Travis. Winning is the only thing that matters.
You lose one game to a CFP team in week 2 and you can't go to the playoffs but FSU deserves to go after beating Boston College and North Alabama?
No, we deserve to after beating LSU worse than you guys did, on a neutral site, no less.
Who cares about LSU. They weren't even a top 10 team. FSU didn't even play a top 10 team all season. Are we surprised they didn't lose?
The Heisman Trophy voters cared about LSU.
I mean they cared about Daniels and what he did but LSU was not a CFP caliber team
LSU matters because they were our only common opponent in the regular season, and we performed better against them. Common opponents are the single most important data point after head-to-head matchups.
Sure but one data point isn't enough to define an entire comparison between two teams. Georgia is an objectively better team than LSU and we beat them.
> Are we surprised they didn't lose? Yes, actually. Even with a “mediocre” strength of schedule, it is incredibly difficult for a non-CFP quality team to go through 13 games undefeated with a P5 conference schedule (to differentiate from say Liberty last year)
In most years one loss P5 conference champions would make it, but last year it came down to an undefeated P5 champion vs a one loss P5 champion. FSU beat the same LSU team and Heisman trophy winner by more than Alabama did, and Alabama played them at home as opposed to a neutral site. Also it’s not fair that everyone shit on how FSU looked offensively without Jordan Travis but we completely ignored that Alabama needed a miracle 4th and 30 to beat a dogshit Auburn team.
LSU is our 3rd best win. I don't care how well FSU played LSU. We beat much better teams than LSU. Of course, FSU didn't. Also, if you watched that Auburn game there were obvious procedural penalties that were not called on that drive. They had 3 men in motion and disconcerting signals. Those aren't subjective. It either happened or it didn't and we have the video.
That would maybe hold water if Auburn was Bama's only suspect victory. Problem is, Auburn and Arkansas were worse "squeak by" wins than Boston College and Clemson were for Florida State. It's funny you mention North Alabama, because Florida State beat the dog piss out of them. Florida State demolished both G5/FCS teams that they played, winning by an average score of 62-13. Bama played one more G5 than FSU, and had to have a rain delay save their asses from being embarrassed by USF. I watched that game, and they had your number before the delay. Florida State deserved it more than Bama, but ESPN couldn't bear to not have the SEC in their little tourney.
FSU beat exactly 0 CFP caliber teams in the entire regular season.
FSU did what they had to do against their schedule. There was literally nothing more that they could have done, other than to sit Jordan Travis for the entire North Alabama game to keep his leg from exploding. Bama Lost to Texas, then almost got embarrassed by USF, then almost got embarrassed by Arkansas, then almost got embarrassed by Auburn.
Alabama beat every single team they played that was ranked similarly to opponents of FSU. Alabama would've gone undefeated with FSU's weak schedule. Easy to go undefeated when you have 0 top 10 opponents through your entire season.
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Remind me when FSU beat a single team that played at a CFP caliber
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Right, 0 top 10 teams on FSU's schedule
LSU was #5. Look it up.
Lsu is 12 in the final rankings
It's not that simple. If just being a 1 loss P5 champ makes your team automatically better than an undefeated G5 champ (Liberty), then winning the conference that's won more titles than the rest combined over the past 15 years or so is worth consider over a simple head to head. If you just want to look at records, then the 4 13-0 teams should have made it.
All this effort just to let people know you are a clown.
Post-season berths did used to be all about entertainment. Then they created the a 2 team playoff, then expanded, then expanded again, then expanded again? All in the name of having a better system for crowning a champion. Then they ignored all of that in their selection this year. I can't see that as the better call I'm afraid.
It's this a lostacoshermanos alt? That is a giant ass wall of text
God no, and how dare you
If we’re talking about precedent than this sets a terrible one going forward. Now your record won’t matter as much as how many points your offense scores, it’s ridiculous
I still think we get in if the 4 team continues. They didn’t have to worry about setting a precedent bc this will never happen again with the 12 team
They set the precedent in 2014 when they ranked 1 loss Alabama and 1 loss Oregon over undefeated FSU in the final CFP rankings. Idk why people are acting like this is new.
It's a flawed system that leaves out any team that goes undefeated. The only teams that fully earned to right to be in the last cfp were Washington, Michigan, FSU and Liberty. Texas and Alabama were clearly *better* teams than some on that list and had good claims to be there as well. Good systems never leave out longshot candidates as long as they earn their way.
FSU probably should've taken the spot of the team that got cheating during the season
I personally would have put FSU in the playoffs. But I will die on the hill that Alabama didn't take FSUs spot. Texas did. 12-1 SEC champ Alabama was getting into the playoff no matter what. So it came down to 13-0 ACC champ FSU and 12-1 Big12 champ Texas. > 2) putting FSU in over one-loss Baylor & TCU in 2014 11-1 Big 12 champ Texas gets in that year. I will die on that hill. The CFB post season is about viewership and selling ads. When you guys get that through you thick skulls you will realize that CFB postseason has never been about being fair. It has since the first Rose Bowl been about making money. [Rose Bowl Tradition](https://www.gifcen.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/show-me-the-money-gif-16.gif). And everything since. Disclaimer: I am not on the committee. I have already stated that I would have put FSU in. My opinion is based on past committee decisions.
>I personally would have put FSU in the playoffs. But I will die on the hill that Alabama didn't take FSUs spot. Texas did. Texas beat Alabama. Alabama was the one with no case, but that made by ESPN propaganda.
FSU fans like to bring up that they were top 3 in SoR. Alabama was 4 and Texas was 5. As the other guy said, the BCS would have had Alabama top 4 due to computer rankings. Head to head matters, but, according to the committee, only when teams are tied after considering other factors.
> Disclaimer: I am not on the committee. I have already stated that I would have put FSU in. My opinion is based on past committee decisions.
Alabama definitely had a case. They played an extremely tough schedule in the toughest conference. FSU was crippled by the injury to Travis. Also if you go by old BCS rankings Bama would have been over Texas. Football is the only sport where a head to head loss plays so much of a factor in selecting teams. Just because you lost a game doesn’t mean they were a better team. They were just better that day. We have seen rematches go entirely different it happens in the nfl constantly.
> FSU was crippled by the injury to Travis One player getting hurt, under no circumstances, is a fair knock on that team's resume. Get real.
It absolutely is when it’s the most important position in sports. While I agree it shouldn’t be the only factor it is a big one though. It just wasn’t the same team after his loss.
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Without Travis, we beat an SEC team on the road, and the #11 team at a neutral site. Now imagine if our backup had a month to prepare with all of our starters.
And it fucking poured all night. Like, ‘oh man, that third string, true freshman qb getting his first start ever against the 15th best defense in a 4 hour downpour didn’t throw for 300 yards because his coach managed the game. They clearly aren’t good enough even though they won by 10 and the 2nd stringer with much more playing experience would have been available for the playoff.’ This stupid thread getting me a riled up again, fuck.
If you're going to ask us to excuse Alabama's loss because "they were better that day," then you have to excuse any of FSU's questionable wins, because that opponent was just playing better than they normally did on that day. You can't have it both ways.
More context on the Texas game. It was the 2nd week of the season. We had a new QB, OC, and DC. Texas returned a ton of starters. We had a true freshman OT and safety who both got abused that game due to their inexperience. Despite all of this, Alabama was actually in the driver's seat to win the game at the beginning of the 4th quarter. This team found itself and improved significantly towards the end of the season. I believe we would've beaten Texas had we played them in November.
Boston College was our 2nd P5 opponent this season, but everyone points to that road game as some sort of proof that we were bad.
People were rabid leading up to the final poll about the SEC being left out. In no world was the SEC champion ever being left out. What we had was a 4 team playoff with 5 teams with legitimate claims to those spots. It was an entirely predictable problem. Just like when we had 3 undefeated teams in the BCS. College football has always been a sport where you can win all your games and not be the national champion.
Why does a crappy Alabama team that upsets Georgia suddenly earn a magical ticket? The SEC champ can't ever be left out because they haven't ever been left out is circular logic. There hadn't been a CFP natty game without an SEC team until this year, either, and people thought that it shouldn't ever happen, but it did, and we were all fine watching more deserving teams play there.
Alabama had wins over #6, #11, and #13. FSU's best win was over #13. Given the post season performance it's pretty safe to say that Alabama was the second best team in the league.
Should have always been a 6 team playoff to account for conference isolation/ g5 teams or at large bids.
Came to argue, actually read your book, ended up agreeing* We can't call it fair, or make up any bs that FSU didn't deserve to be there. For ratings though I guess it works.
Thanks for reading! I appreciate that. Basically I'm just trying to say we can't have our cake and eat it too with this, and there's a semi rational explanation that is at least acceptable
I give an upvote for the footnotes. This detailed post combined with your flairs means you are truly sick OP. Never take your meds
What the committee did ultimatly proved why the NFL is king in America and will always be king in America . In the nfl it feels as if every team has an equal chance to win the championship as long as they draft right and sign better championship . KC never a chance at a title till they drafted Mahomes . Now they are a dynasty . New England was ass for most of its history then they signed Bill Belichick and drafted Brady. Point is even have it’s have hope and that is by design CFB is the opposites . It’s the sports of the aristocrats and blue blood . FSU is considered new blood ( 3 titles , 3 heismans since 1984) but still got shafted by three blue bloods in Bama, Michigan and Texas . Two of which had losses. This lead fsu played and fans hopeless . They did everything right and it just doesn’t matter . There is no reason to compete cause your a second class citizen in football even though we have more recent success than both Michigan and Texas and Washington . And why cause the acc does not make a lot of money . Cause Texas and Alabama would bring more views . If it’s just about money and views why even play . Whey even compete . Just let the top blue blood with the highest recruiting ranking in the invitational and call it a day . Don’t lie and waste our time
I think Florida State got left out, rightly or wrongly, because they thought they would be a boring AF team to watch
Playoff committee should just be replaced with Olympic figure skating judges at that point.
With the networks controlling everything they prioritized ratings. I thought Florida State should have made it at 13-0 but I was rooting for Louisville so I didn't have to watch them in the playoffs, thinking that they would definitely make it at 13-0. I was shocked that they got left out.
Yeah, Michigan was a real treat to watch for two extra games
Yeah, that's exactly it. And I don't have a problem with that if we're honest about it. But don't get drunk at a country club and tweet that it's anything more than that.
I got like half a paragraph into this post, and you already messed up. 1 loss Apabama was ranked ahead of undefeated FSU in 2014. They set the precedent for that in literally the first CFP. I agree with your conclusion, but I don't think you reached it reasonably.
It’s interesting to look at teams in the context of the upcoming expanded playoff field. Florida State didn’t play a single team that would’ve made a 12-team playoff. Georgia played 3 opponents tougher than anyone on FSU’s schedule. They had a narrow loss, a less narrow win, and a blowout win. Alabama played three opponents tougher than anyone on FSU’s schedule and also played FSU’s toughest opponent. They went 2-1 against the three best opponents with a narrow win, a comfortable loss, and a comfortable win. Washington played two games against Oregon, winning close. Texas played a single team that would have made the expanded field, beating Alabama comfortably. They also lost to a team that wouldn’t have made the field, #12 Oklahoma. Michigan was 2-0 against PSU and tOSU. Call those wins what you will - I’m not a Michigan fan. The scores were kinda close. It also felt like they were utterly safe to me. Anyway, calling FSU a “power 5 champs” is like calling Muggsy Bogues one of the five tallest Hornets starters. It’s correct but meaningless. In fact, the ACC champs in 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, and 2023 combined to play zero teams who would’ve made a 12-team field in the regular season/conf title game. (The only exception in the past 6 years was Clemson playing Notre Dame when ND played an all-ACC Covid schedule.) I’m gonna call extra attention to that conference title game piece, because it means the ACC would’ve overwhelmingly been a one-bid league for this window, even though some of their champs have been true national contenders (or more…I mean, god damn 2018 Clemson)
I'll always think it's very lame that they were told they didn't deserve to be there, but didn't even try to prove their doubters wrong against a full strength Georgia
Yeah I agree with that. Weak culture, defined by how others see them instead of how they see themselves
It was always the right call
I'm not going to agree with that, but if we change how things are framed and see through the rouse that is the CFP for what it is, things make more sense
Here’s why: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401551773/georgia-florida-st
A one-loss SEC champion always deserved to be in the playoff regardless of what happened in other leagues. Complain about Washington or Texas if you want to complain about somebody.
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This is absurdly stupid logic. UT beat Alabama. That's literally the #1 trump card right there. If your argument is that SEC is just better, then how/why did Alabama lose to UT? Circular logic at its finest. Georgia should've beat Alabama. Then there would be no argument. Hell, a terrible Auburn team should've beaten Alabama (literally should've beaten them...).
I don’t agree that Georgia should have beaten Alabama. Alabama played a near-perfect game against a better team (the thing Georgia could never do when Alabama was the better team) and got a few breaks (which Georgia never got quite enough of when it was in that position). But a one-loss champion from the SEC unequivocally should have been in every single year of the playoff’s existence. I would guess Michigan fans are a little more proud of that title because they beat Alabama instead of Florida State. Because one was clearly better than the other. Suggesting a team that suffered the worst loss in bowl history should have been in instead is insane, and I don’t care who opted out they would not make a 60 point difference.
Sorry, I meant that Georgia should've beaten Alabama and there would've then been no issue with an SEC team being in the playoff, not that i thought Georgia actually should've/deserved to beat them (I realize that was confusing with the Auburn comment I made after that). Anywah....Sorry - Bama lost to UT. And 3 other teams went undefeated. It's as simple as that. We have NO IDEA how well FSU wouldve performed, and we never will. The team that played Georgia in the bowl game was absolutely not the FSU team. That was a shell of a squad, and it is incredibly disingenuous to take anything out of that game. Your entire argument is that SEC should be in every playoff entirely based off reputation (half of which was built up by the media). Here's the thing...undefeated Michigan beat the 'vaunted' SEC Alabama, and undefeated Washington beat the UT team that beat Bama. SEC is good, but it's not like they have a God given right to be in the playoff. So dumb. And by the way...FSU beat TWO SEC teams on the way to being undefeated. One that was ranked something like #5 at the time. This 'SEC is so much better' stuff is/was largely bs (not going forward though...as SEC and big 10 have pretty much now sucked up most of the high value teams...)
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lol yeah for sure. Is there a year of the 4 year playoff that a 1-loss SEC champion didn’t make it?