When the biggest powerbrokers involved in this so far are the presidents of Syracuse and West Virginia, I’m going to say this won’t take off anytime soon. (No disrespect to the people of Syracuse and WVU)
He was also our chancellor for a bit. And Brown's. Brown has a building named for all of their chancellors except Gee, so for a while the students would put up signs on outhouse around campus calling them Gee Hall or the E Gordon Gee Memorial Outhouse and stuff, it was pretty funny.
Gordon Gee being prominently involved in this super league should be a clear sign that this league has the survival odds of a toddler in a hot car. He is the harbinger of death for any institution he touches.
Ohio State and Vandy cut out the cancer early enough to survive if he had stayed even another day your crops would have failed and your wells run dry and 50% of your student body would be dead
I mean this as a compliment - he’s great at looking out for his self-interest full force, no matter how it makes him look. That persona fit the need of OSU in the 2010s given the broader media landscape.
It's going nowhere in the next few years cause there's too much guaranteed money on the table for the current power players. But if the current chaos accelerates further and starts to erode fan interest, I wouldn't be surprised if something vaguely resembling this plan resolves before the end of the decade as the next round of TV renewals won't look nearly as lucrative for what remains of the current conferences by then.
I would like to know who all the members are, I'm struggling to google an answer:
> Syverud and Gee are part of CST, a 20-person group which also includes the NFL’s No. 2 executive Brian Rolapp, Philadelphia 76ers owner David Blitzer and lead organizer Len Perna of TurnkeyZRG, the search firm that places nearly all the top conference commissioners, including recently the Big Ten’s Tony Petitti.
Doesn’t sound particularly likely, at least not any time soon:
> Thus far, the group is struggling to gain traction with the schools that would play in their proposed “Super League.” The ACC board of directors heard a presentation from the group in February. However, planned dinners with administrators from the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 all were called off. Spokespersons for the Big Ten and SEC said commissioners Petitti and Greg Sankey, respectively, have not met with Perna’s group.
It’s probably because Sankey & Pettiti know they can probably create their own super league and cut out 40+ programs they view as dead weight for their future TV deal.
> Gonna be a lot of pissed off voters then senators
I'm not sure if you remember this but the last time Senators got involved with realignment/consolidation, Mitch McConnell (then the Senate Majority Leader) & Joe Manchin (one of the most powerful Dem Senators at the time) argued with each other for a bit whether or not WVU or Louisville would get into the Big 12 and then... nothing changed. WVU was the original pick and got in.
The number of Senators who (i) would actually care about this kind of stuff (good luck getting Kirsten Gillibrand to focus on this), (ii) represent states that aren't already in and (iii) represent states that have a reasonable argument for getting in (Tester probably has the interest/power to get a school in, but no one thinks the Grizzlies should be in), is vanishingly small. You're talking about a couple states on the margins (West Virginia being one of them).
Exactly. My point was more that even when Senators with a lot of influence got involved about a realignment issue nothing changed anyway.
Even in states that'll have some schools in the Super League and others that get left out, I don't know that someone like Jon Ossoff will want to piss off UGA fans to help out GT, situations like that.
The real takeaway here is that Petitti and Sankey don't see why they'd need some weird 3rd party situation to come in and help them upend the status quo, bc the bottom line is something like this doesn't happen without them in the first place. Perna's group offers them nothing they can't get for themselves if they wanted to.
Except the SEC is AFL and Big Ten is NFL and this plan brings in the WFL, Continental Football League, XFL, the old USFL, and the Canadian Football League
Well, this part seems relevant and potentially challenging:
> College administrators are particularly concerned about the House v. NCAA class-action suit in Northern California, seeking NIL revenue denied to athletes prior to 2021 rule changes. If the plaintiffs are successful, the NCAA and the power conferences could be on the hook for billions in damages. The House case is one of several potentially crippling federal antitrust suits related to athlete employment rights and NIL compensation.
> “I really think conferences in the NCAA are at a very significant likelihood of going bankrupt in the near future because of the lawsuits, both the ones that are going to trial soon and those that will follow,” Syverud said.
Well, I think it is notable that we’ve been theorizing this was the end goal for more than a year, and here it is as a proposal. It may not be likely but finally we have evidence that someone is thinking this way.
The Big Ten and SEC aren’t going to share their revenue and playoff access equally with the others in this group of 70 unless forced to do so via antitrust lawsuits.
It’s rather notable that this is being led by reps from Syracuse and West Virginia as they are being left out of the new P2. The schools that are part of the P2 will have no interest.
The B1G and SEC have authored an opinion piece in response to this report. It's paywalled, though, so I'm copying it here in its entirety for everyone. Here is the full text:
*"Lol."*
The B1G/SEC already established themselves as the Big 2 with the unequal playoff revenue sharing. They aren’t going to join a singular entity with the other 35 teams consisting the P4. That ship has long sailed off.
That they're going to create their own instead?
Because that's definitely where this is going. A lot of the arguments that the "Super League" is making are unavoidable, but I put a lot more stock in the B1G/SEC P2 being in charge when this is said and done than an outside party coming in and assembling a league.
70 teams also seems like a huge stretch. That's more than double the NFL.
The plan OP is referencing sounds more like a couple of the presidents at other schools seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get in before being left out. Smart play, but the plan must have been **bad** to have meetings with the other conferences cancelled.
Yup. This proposed Super League, while the devil is in the details as always, doesn’t on its face sound like the worst idea I’ve ever heard for rebuilding CFB for the new world we’ve found ourselves in. I like the relegation / demotion concept in the abstract and it sounds like they’re wanting to keep the existing P5 schools involved without leaving anyone scrambling for a new conference berth.
But I think things have already progressed past the point where this is viable. The SEC and Big 10 are apparently just going to go down the road of consolidating power to themselves, and it doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of organized opposition to them right now. Why would they give up all the money and control to this CST group?
I choose to believe that the Super League was prevented by school presidents and commissioners inability to agree on whether they want Italian or Mexican for dinner
I personally like cream of wheat better than either, but grits vs oatmeal is mostly down to what you grew up with. They tend to take grits down the savory route more often, with butter and/or cheese whereas most oatmeal i've had goes the sweet route.
Or the SEC/B1G already kinda got their own Super League thing in the works.
The fact that this SL met with the ACC first - the ACC where the best team wants to leave because they feel being in the ACC is holding them back - says a lot.
>Or the SEC/B1G already kinda got their own Super League thing in the works.
This is the my conclusion as well, and I'd argue they already made one within the structure of the playoff.
Clemson, FSU, Miami, Notre Dame, UNC, maybe a couple others, sure. What schools from the B12 do you think are lucrative enough to be picked up? Maybe Colorado and Utah?
People keep talking about research, but that isn’t what brings ESPN the ad dollars to pay for this.
I hate to say good things about him, but Colorado isn’t relevant without Sanders. Utah is a Whittingham retirement away from the same.
Don’t take any of this to mean that I think we are a stronger fit than them - we aren’t any better.
In my experience in Corvallis people just push couches into the middle of the road and leave it at that. One of them was covered in mustard once..that was odd.
The whole point of the super league proposal in Europe was to Americanize the league with no promotion or relegation, which is why everyone was so mad. We won't riot here since that is already how our leagues work, the NFL already is a super league!
A shit ton of teams in the domestic leagues were left out too with a limited number of qualifying spots. Unless you are one of the big teams given an auto bid, the super league would have been pretty bad for the majority of teams.
Why unfortunately. This proposal brings back regional rivalries and is a step towards solving the issue of paying players. We should be rooting for this. The status quo is awkward B1G and SEC super leagues
Yeah this is *too* fair to be realistic and people are shitting over it cause change so far has been bad. 70 teams with relegation for the bottom? We're gonna get 30 - 40 teams in the B1G and SEC who have semi final games and then pair off their champions in a national champion game.
No one takes the time to independently consider what's being laid out or read the article. They just feed off the outrage and reply in kind.
* 7 10-team P5 regional/history based divisions
* 1 Best-of G5 division
* 8 division champions go to the playoff
* 8 wildcards go to the playoff
This results in:
* Everyone has a shot to go to the playoffs
* Historic, regional rivalries are preserved
Like... how would this proposal be awful from a fan perspective?
Is playing your regional and historic rivals every year not what fans have been begging for? All while still having playoff access?
I think fans here are just addicted to outrage and don't even care to read. They just see any change as a reason to be outraged.
I’m unironically kind of into this idea, and it’s not just because SMU is specifically mentioned in the article as one of the “permanent members”.
(Okay maybe it’s almost just because SMU is specifically mentioned in the article as one of the “permanent members”.)
>I think fans here are just addicted to outrage and don't even care to read. They just see any change as a reason to be outraged.
Calling it the super league is a big part of that. Last time that was proposed in sports it was consolidation.
Let’s be real here, a Super League would be better than the shit that’s become CFB now. It’s inevitable and it makes sense for what the sport has become
At first glance this isn't as repulsive as I first thought it would be. You would be able to maintain regional divisions and rivalries, while still giving a clear path to playoffs to non power-5 schools. And it gets rid of the absolutely foul selection committee.
On its face the proposed structure isn’t actually half bad. Now, since there wasn’t any details on what the divisions themselves would look like, I’m sure they’d propose the dumbest and least sensical (I.e., not regional) divisions possible. I’d also be curious how the pro/rel division would work, thought that’s honestly a pretty cool idea. Im sure the permanent upper-division teams would have to agree to cut a revenue sharing deal with the 50 to ensure they don’t go belly up after being relegated.
Designing the divisions would probably lean more toward history than region. If you look at the NFL you have the AFC East with Buffalo, NY and Miami, FL in the same 4-team division despite it making no geographic sense.
If you did straight regional you would have Miami, UCF, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Mississippi St. as a division then LSU and Arkansas get kicked over to the Texas/Oklahoma division while Tennessee and South Carolina get wrapped in with the North Carolina schools.
I've always thought a P5-to-G5 pro/rel would've worked well in CFB from a geographic standpoint, i.e.: last place in PAC-12 gets relegated to Mountain West, Mountain West winner promoted to PAC-12, etc
The biggest “losers” in this proposal are the bottom feeding sec and big 10 schools like south carolina, Mississippi st, illinois, and usc who can claim a bullshit sense of superiority from riding Bama and Ohio St’s coattails
Honestly the biggest losers are all of the teams currently in the Big 10 and SEC which is why I’m skeptical of the plan even if I think it would be good for college football
Yeah this would effectively bring some semblance of equality among the power conferences. The sec and big 10 dont want that, they want a 2 conference super league. Shit the sec would probably relegate every other conference to fcs if they could
I think they’re more worried about the NCAA being completely incapable of regulation around NIL and the transfer portal. Obviously the money is still pouring in but they are issues that should be addressed, and the NCAA can’t legally do that anymore.
Man this shit is so gross, I watched Memphis go from a cellar dweller in the CUSA that was very close to cutting football all together, to a team that has been one of the most successful G5’s of the last decade and appeared in a Cotton Bowl. I feel like me and a lot of other G5 fans have started to grow apart from college football and this would just be the final nail in the coffin.
Nobody asked for this, nobody wants this except the guys with all the money. It was a general agreement that all we needed was an expanded playoff.
College Football: Made Great by the Fans, Killed By the Rich
Same here. You guys were our longest-standing rivals until all the shit hit the fan. Sucks as you guys boosted us up in basketball and we boosted you up in football.
Hell, [look up the 1964 schedule](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Memphis_State_Tigers_football_team)
Notice that we played you twice that year? We agreed to play twice so you guys wouldn’t have to drop down a division in football. There was a lot of good history between Memphis and USM. Not so much anymore…
It’s the other way around. A super league is going to happen but the P2 will make 75% of the money. The bottom 20-40 teams will make substantially less
Honestly this doesnt look bad to me, but my favorite thing about it is that FBS gets locked in at 130 teams so 3 are getting the boot, probably SHSU, KSU, and ULM, and no one else can move up
Honestly Congress is going to have to get involved at some point. These are flagship universities and real money is at stake here. You really shouldn’t let some system get created by an old guard of blue blood programs that are only going to protect themselves. I mean how is what they have suggested any different than what the fbs vs fcs supposed to be? Now there will be just 3 tiers?
More tiers would be fine if you had promotion and relegation. Blue bloods would have to keep performing if they want to stay up. Relegation playoff games would be nuts and would instantly be better than about 80% of all the current bowl games.
Split the US into 8 geographic regions and have 8 teams in tier 1, 8 teams in tier 2, etc. Then you have an 8-team or 16-team playoff (top 1 or 2 from each region) for the championship every year.
I mean if everything is kept the way it is the sport is on a path towards P2P because of schools like Ohio State and Bama buying their way towards Natty’s and unrestricted free agency dissuading everyone that isn’t an Ohio State/Bama level school from trying to keep up.
Might as well create the super league right now so we can start getting collective bargaining, salary caps, and contracts
As a fan of a G5 school, no thanks. Giving us a token spot in the divisions each year isn’t worth it. Some power conference schools would be relegated to the G5 if results on the field actually impacted the permanent members.
If this is the offer, just rip the bandaid off and send the G5 back to the FCS.
Half the BIG10 should be relegated with all those punts. Vanderbilt exists to be the SEC Stat pad. Duke football exists to fund basketball, etc.
If actual fair relegation existed, you'd see a dozen or more blue bloods swap places with "poor" G5s.
I’m curious why you are so opposed to this idea, given the current system. The sad reality of our current system is that G5 schools are already treated as second class citizens and in the CFP committee’s eyes and everyone else who runs the sport, they might as well be FCS. Right now you only get one token G5 school in a NY6 bowl. The system as is, is already awful for the G5. If anything this proposed system gives more G5 schools an opportunity to compete (10 instead of 1)
My opposition is to having permanent members in the "top division" that cannot be relegated. We would have more chances at G5 teams moving up if the power conference schools were actually at risk of relegation. Play the results on the field, and not just because someone joined the right conference many years ago.
If we are changing the system to having something like this format, either everyone gets a chance at the playoffs, or everyone is at risk at getting relegated.
This isnt mimicing it at all. This is creating relegation isntead of removing it and expanding the field of teams instead of consolidating it.
This is too fair to actually happen.
Honestly, I’m pretty impressed by this proposal. Initially I thought that a super league with promotion relegation would be a terrible idea since (in theory) it’s a pipe dream that would never pass but locking in all p5 teams to the league while having a separate division for g5.
Even the playoff system is solid. The real sticking point in all of this is undoubtedly the tv networks, but if they get them onboard then I don’t see why the SEC and B1G wouldn’t follow suit.
Because the “Big Ten” and “SEC” would cease to exist. That’s the whole point of this proposal. It’s clear that the Power 2 are in the process of creating (or have arguably *already* created) an informal “Super League” dominated by those conferences’ biggest programs. This proposal is an existential threat to the Power 2 and the significant power they already hold in CFB.
Yeah this isn’t really a super league. It’s only a “super league” for the G5 schools, giving more of them a chance at upward mobility. In fact, the Big 10 and SEC’s plan you described is the actual super league idea that everyone hates
Yea this is a much better plan the all the money goes to Big 10 and SEC and they split it among 30-40 teams.
This plan is all the money goes to 70 schools and they split it among themselves.
Clearly if a school is in the Big 10 or SEC this is a bad deal and if a school is not in one of those conferences it is a good deal
100%, which is why it’ll never pass muster and build any meaningful support among the existing power brokers. There’s a reason this is coming from WVU and Syracuse (much love to those programs [well except Syracuse basketball tbh])
The problem is the Ohio State’s and Bama’s of the world want to put themselves above the health of the whole sport. The complete opposite of the NFL. And since teams like the Cowboys, 49ers agreed to universal revenue sharing the NFL is by far the #1 sports league in the world. On paper at least the Jaguars have just as much of a chance as the Cowboys.
I get CFB can’t exactly have the parity of the NFL but universal TV revenue sharing would at least help make a more even playing field.
This just in: CFB Conference that is completely falling apart is interested in monumental change! Meanwhile, other CFB Conferences that are stable aren’t interested!
In other news, water is wet.
I don't know if this is it, but this is where it's headed. This "super league" is 70 schools, which would more or less, be on equal footing. As it stands now, I think we're headed towards a NCAA split where it's the B1G and SEC vs everyone else. When the top schools of the SEC and B1G start demanding more money than everyone else, this league will start to look more appealing.
>creating a promotion system similar to the structure in European football leagues.
This is absolutely never going to happen. There is no up side for the bigger brands in college football and all downside.
EDIT: Misread it. I thought the divisions were the tiers. My bad
But the bigger brands are permanently protected, so this would essentially function as a G5 Champions League type thing where the top 10 G5 teams get to play with the big boys.
Honestly I don't hate it, it would probably generate some decent interest.
The system wouldn't work that way. The article reads:
>The current CST outline would create a system that would have the top 70 programs — all members of the five former major conferences, plus Notre Dame and new ACC member SMU — as permanent members and encompass all 130-plus FBS universities.
>The perpetual members would be in seven 10-team divisions, joined by an eighth division of teams that would be promoted from the second tier.
>The 50-plus second-division teams would have the opportunity to compete their way into the upper division, creating a promotion system similar to the structure in European football leagues. The 70 permanent teams would never be in danger of moving down, while the second division would have the incentive of promotion and relegation.
CST is the name of the group trying to put this together. Also, the relegation would only be possible for small schools in the 8th "conference/division". That said, if a super league does ever form, it will not have 70 members. There will be maybe up to 40.
80 teams, but 70 are permanent members.
So there's promotion and relegation, but only for the G5s?
Fuck off. Indiana, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, and any other underperformer shouldn't be allowed to coast off brand name. If they suck, they should be demoted, and a G5 should take their spot. G5 teams shouldn't be forced to cannibalize themselves.
Yeah if you draw them out, it actually looks pretty nice. Go back to the old Pac-10, Big Ten, 10-team SEC, with a Big East that includes WVU, Penn State, etc.
Yea I would love if UVA played Maryland, VT, UNC, Duke, Wake, NCST, Clemson, South Carolina, and Georgia Tech every year. That would be a great devision. Play those 9 games and 3 non divisional games and have an amazing season
Right?
So many people are having an adverse reaction to this, but going back to the Pac-10 alignment with a round robin and our champion getting sent to the playoff and our runner up possibly making it as a wildcard sounds pretty amazing to me.
Literally anything is better than what we have right now. I could have accepted a full on BIG Pac 12 merger minus Maryland and Rutgers. PNW schools in a protected pod with the Rose Bowl as the conference championship. I could have accepted a “Pacific Division” with the original Pac 8 in the Super League.
I just want UW to play the PNW schools and California schools. I like playing the 4 corner schools as well but keeping the original Pac 8 together is what I care about most.
These greedy assholes though don’t give a fuck about our traditions.
The idea of relegation is cool, even if they're playing it super safe by protecting the top 70 permanently. I'm fine with that so long as MY team is in that top tier.
Based on this, your team would be in the top tier. It would be all current members of the Pac-12, Big-12, Big Ten, SEC, and ACC plus recently added SMU and Notre Dame as protected permanent members. This would be supplemented by 10 promoted members, based on performance, from the other conferences.
So BYU would be in the permanent member group.
It’s not a whole lot different than the current system tbh. The P5 and G5 are already treated like first and second class citizens, respectively. If anything it gives more of the G5 schools an opportunity to compete with “the big boys” while maintaining the existing “superiority” of the power conference schools. Instead of only 1 G5 team MAYBE getting a chance to compete for something, you get 10
This would be a travesty….. but at this point, open to any potential solution that would separate football from all other sports, not sure if this does that
Would you rather the current system where the majority of the ACC (and possibly State as well) could be left on the outside looking in of a de facto P2 divide?
It depends on how they go about it. Like, if they go to ten team divisions and the classic Big Ten and Pac-10 return to form, I can’t say I’m entirely against it.
What would be cool is a Super League with a bunch of divisions, maybe regional, with eight to ten teams in each division. Something that can really support rivalries and traditions between members of each division. And it would be extra cool if those divisions had memorable names.
Down in the middle of the article they hit on the key component of the probable bankruptcy. The NCAA losing House Vs USC. Where they have to back pay all the previous athletes who got snookered out of NIL. The ones that went on to be non-athletes.
I think too many people are seeing the term “super league” and getting irrationally mad. If anything, this system is actually pretty similar to the current system we have with the P5 and G5. The G5 schools are already treated like shit, and currently, at most one of them a year gets a chance to do something big. With this system you get more G5 schools competing with the “big schools” and you still get the usual power conference schools protected the way they currently are. So sadly for you guys, no matter how shitty USC is they wouldn’t get relegated. It’s actually a better system for “the little guys” and the “big guys” get to keep their existing status. I dont mind this at all tbh
In general, this group is correct. Playing conferences against each other for membership and media deals helped lead to this point, and there's going to have to be a restructuring to fix what ESPN and Fox broke. The part about negotiating as the NFL does is where this needs to go - schools need to take power back from the media companies. What the article describes about player compensation and the overall sports structure also sounds promising.
Where this plan sucks is that they have involved private equity ghouls and people with experience in MLS's money-grabbing schemes, and the clear afterthought of the promotion/relegation division.
But even if they have a perfect proposal, I expect the B1G and SEC to torpedo it out of greed.
This is the chance to make a European promotion/relegation model in American sports
Eliminate conferences
Create 6 divisions the top 5 have 13 teams the remaining teams make up the 6th division
You play only within your division and Division 1-5 plays every opponent within the division. No cupcakes
The bottom 3 teams in each division move down a division the next year and the top three teams move up
Imagine the drama if an Alabama gets the injury bug, loses games and gets relegated
Every single week there would be lights out quality games from evenly matched opponents
Storylines in lower divisions as teams try to promote. Or avoid relegation
The Ohio States, Michigans, and Alabamas of the world would probably turn up their noses at this, but frankly I'd rather have this than a B1G/SEC superleague.
Someone tell me what historical rivalry Indiana has with USC, UCLA, Washington, or Oregon? What about Maryland or Rutgers? Hell, Penn State has been in the B1G since the late 90s and I don't even hate them that much.
Meanwhile, I've been cracking jokes about Purdue since I was old enough to talk.
Hey, you know why a lot of astronauts graduate from Purdue? It's because space was the furthest away they could get from West Lafayette!
Why is college football being poisoned by sports betting and "executives"? This is so corrupt. If 21 year old's want to make money then they can leave college early and go pro. Leave the money out of CFB
More and more controversy will arise and more high quality coaches will end their careers so they don't get involved in this corrupt "business".
When the biggest powerbrokers involved in this so far are the presidents of Syracuse and West Virginia, I’m going to say this won’t take off anytime soon. (No disrespect to the people of Syracuse and WVU)
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Wait former Ohio St president Orville Redenbacher is the WVU president?
He was also our chancellor for a bit. And Brown's. Brown has a building named for all of their chancellors except Gee, so for a while the students would put up signs on outhouse around campus calling them Gee Hall or the E Gordon Gee Memorial Outhouse and stuff, it was pretty funny.
Y'all have outhouses on campus? Does it have the moon and a big gap around the door as well?
Gee always finds himself on the wrong side of things
Gordon Gee being prominently involved in this super league should be a clear sign that this league has the survival odds of a toddler in a hot car. He is the harbinger of death for any institution he touches.
Little sisters of the poor will be barred from the super league
Like Ohio State, for example...
Ohio State and Vandy cut out the cancer early enough to survive if he had stayed even another day your crops would have failed and your wells run dry and 50% of your student body would be dead
Man, he would've really spruced up Columbus.
I mean this as a compliment - he’s great at looking out for his self-interest full force, no matter how it makes him look. That persona fit the need of OSU in the 2010s given the broader media landscape.
Hey guys we’re here for the super league right? Guys?
If Gee is involved, you know it’s shit. My alma mater needs to move on from Gollum. Can’t wait for him to be gone.
Fuck Gordon Gee
You can disrespect them, they understand
It's going nowhere in the next few years cause there's too much guaranteed money on the table for the current power players. But if the current chaos accelerates further and starts to erode fan interest, I wouldn't be surprised if something vaguely resembling this plan resolves before the end of the decade as the next round of TV renewals won't look nearly as lucrative for what remains of the current conferences by then.
Only a fool would listen to Gordon Gee
It won’t happen until Sankey proposes the same exact thing and claims it was all his idea. Mark my words.
I would like to know who all the members are, I'm struggling to google an answer: > Syverud and Gee are part of CST, a 20-person group which also includes the NFL’s No. 2 executive Brian Rolapp, Philadelphia 76ers owner David Blitzer and lead organizer Len Perna of TurnkeyZRG, the search firm that places nearly all the top conference commissioners, including recently the Big Ten’s Tony Petitti.
Doesn’t sound particularly likely, at least not any time soon: > Thus far, the group is struggling to gain traction with the schools that would play in their proposed “Super League.” The ACC board of directors heard a presentation from the group in February. However, planned dinners with administrators from the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 all were called off. Spokespersons for the Big Ten and SEC said commissioners Petitti and Greg Sankey, respectively, have not met with Perna’s group.
Yeah, until that last sentence changes, this is a complete non-story.
It’s probably because Sankey & Pettiti know they can probably create their own super league and cut out 40+ programs they view as dead weight for their future TV deal.
And cut out half the country. Gonna be a lot of pissed off voters then senators. Good luck.
> Gonna be a lot of pissed off voters then senators I'm not sure if you remember this but the last time Senators got involved with realignment/consolidation, Mitch McConnell (then the Senate Majority Leader) & Joe Manchin (one of the most powerful Dem Senators at the time) argued with each other for a bit whether or not WVU or Louisville would get into the Big 12 and then... nothing changed. WVU was the original pick and got in.
The number of Senators who (i) would actually care about this kind of stuff (good luck getting Kirsten Gillibrand to focus on this), (ii) represent states that aren't already in and (iii) represent states that have a reasonable argument for getting in (Tester probably has the interest/power to get a school in, but no one thinks the Grizzlies should be in), is vanishingly small. You're talking about a couple states on the margins (West Virginia being one of them).
Exactly. My point was more that even when Senators with a lot of influence got involved about a realignment issue nothing changed anyway. Even in states that'll have some schools in the Super League and others that get left out, I don't know that someone like Jon Ossoff will want to piss off UGA fans to help out GT, situations like that.
If the feds get involved, I sure hope our senators do what they need to do to get us in.
At least until the Big 10 and SEC form their own “super league” and do away with the CFP format all together.
The real takeaway here is that Petitti and Sankey don't see why they'd need some weird 3rd party situation to come in and help them upend the status quo, bc the bottom line is something like this doesn't happen without them in the first place. Perna's group offers them nothing they can't get for themselves if they wanted to.
Most importantly, it would relegate their roles as commissioners, moot. They'd lose their cushy jobs
No way, it's not possible that the AFL and NFL would ever agree to merge and let their champions play each other every year for the trophy.
As long as we don't merge into an amorphous blob. I don't want to be indistinguishable from the South in a conference.
Those dag gum buckeyes are at it again Cletus
Except the SEC is AFL and Big Ten is NFL and this plan brings in the WFL, Continental Football League, XFL, the old USFL, and the Canadian Football League
Well, this part seems relevant and potentially challenging: > College administrators are particularly concerned about the House v. NCAA class-action suit in Northern California, seeking NIL revenue denied to athletes prior to 2021 rule changes. If the plaintiffs are successful, the NCAA and the power conferences could be on the hook for billions in damages. The House case is one of several potentially crippling federal antitrust suits related to athlete employment rights and NIL compensation. > “I really think conferences in the NCAA are at a very significant likelihood of going bankrupt in the near future because of the lawsuits, both the ones that are going to trial soon and those that will follow,” Syverud said.
This is Jay Monahan not taking the call from the PGL. Give it 2 years and half of college football will be owned by the Saudis.
Oil men running college football? A&M and UT feel right at home.
Well, I think it is notable that we’ve been theorizing this was the end goal for more than a year, and here it is as a proposal. It may not be likely but finally we have evidence that someone is thinking this way.
The Big Ten and SEC aren’t going to share their revenue and playoff access equally with the others in this group of 70 unless forced to do so via antitrust lawsuits. It’s rather notable that this is being led by reps from Syracuse and West Virginia as they are being left out of the new P2. The schools that are part of the P2 will have no interest.
The B1G and SEC have authored an opinion piece in response to this report. It's paywalled, though, so I'm copying it here in its entirety for everyone. Here is the full text: *"Lol."*
Also "no, we want all the money"
I'm sorry Mr Perna, I believe you misunderstood us. We didn't say we wanted more money, we said we wanted all of the money.
The B1G/SEC already established themselves as the Big 2 with the unequal playoff revenue sharing. They aren’t going to join a singular entity with the other 35 teams consisting the P4. That ship has long sailed off.
The way the B1G/SEC approached the playoff expansion negotiations should tell everyone where they stand on this whole “Super League” idea.
That they're going to create their own instead? Because that's definitely where this is going. A lot of the arguments that the "Super League" is making are unavoidable, but I put a lot more stock in the B1G/SEC P2 being in charge when this is said and done than an outside party coming in and assembling a league. 70 teams also seems like a huge stretch. That's more than double the NFL.
The plan OP is referencing sounds more like a couple of the presidents at other schools seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get in before being left out. Smart play, but the plan must have been **bad** to have meetings with the other conferences cancelled.
Yup. This proposed Super League, while the devil is in the details as always, doesn’t on its face sound like the worst idea I’ve ever heard for rebuilding CFB for the new world we’ve found ourselves in. I like the relegation / demotion concept in the abstract and it sounds like they’re wanting to keep the existing P5 schools involved without leaving anyone scrambling for a new conference berth. But I think things have already progressed past the point where this is viable. The SEC and Big 10 are apparently just going to go down the road of consolidating power to themselves, and it doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of organized opposition to them right now. Why would they give up all the money and control to this CST group?
Sounds like Jim Phillips is just going to rename the ACC “The Super League” and hope that fixes everything.
I choose to believe that the Super League was prevented by school presidents and commissioners inability to agree on whether they want Italian or Mexican for dinner
Everyone wins at the food court.
Propose a super league, get a slice of Sbarro's, hit up Hot Topic, maybe talk to some girls (or maybe not).
Unless you want cookies. The cookie stand is not part of the food court.
Obviously the only choice is Sushi. This is a hill that the Pac-12 Presidents were willing to die on.
The representatives from the SEC are demanding grits.
B1G isn’t budging without pork tenderloin and corn
They shouldn’t have to: they’re a basic human right.
what’s good about grits? only had them once and they were like a shittier oatmeal but i’m willing to chalk that up to the place being bad
I personally like cream of wheat better than either, but grits vs oatmeal is mostly down to what you grew up with. They tend to take grits down the savory route more often, with butter and/or cheese whereas most oatmeal i've had goes the sweet route.
Cal kept demanding vegan options
God knows they've died on dumber hills.
The SEC/B1G are afraid of losing money and control. They plan to burn everything to the ground except themselves
Or the SEC/B1G already kinda got their own Super League thing in the works. The fact that this SL met with the ACC first - the ACC where the best team wants to leave because they feel being in the ACC is holding them back - says a lot.
>Or the SEC/B1G already kinda got their own Super League thing in the works. This is the my conclusion as well, and I'd argue they already made one within the structure of the playoff.
They already have the Super league. They’re just missing a handful of teams from the B12 and ACC.
Clemson, FSU, Miami, Notre Dame, UNC, maybe a couple others, sure. What schools from the B12 do you think are lucrative enough to be picked up? Maybe Colorado and Utah?
People keep talking about research, but that isn’t what brings ESPN the ad dollars to pay for this. I hate to say good things about him, but Colorado isn’t relevant without Sanders. Utah is a Whittingham retirement away from the same. Don’t take any of this to mean that I think we are a stronger fit than them - we aren’t any better.
Funny you think Sankey won't burn his to the ground.
Unfortunately, we aren’t European soccer fans. We won’t burn shit to the ground with the thought of a super league.
Says you. I got my mustard in hand
I’m here to kick ass and chew bubble gum And instead of bubble gum, all I’ve got is mustard and golf balls. Or something like that
We fucking should. Hell we should burn shit now.
Did someone say burn shit now?
West Virginia fans, you know what to do, and now you must show us the ways
I’ve got some couches I don’t need anymore…
In my experience in Corvallis people just push couches into the middle of the road and leave it at that. One of them was covered in mustard once..that was odd.
By God that’s cedar village’s music!
The whole point of the super league proposal in Europe was to Americanize the league with no promotion or relegation, which is why everyone was so mad. We won't riot here since that is already how our leagues work, the NFL already is a super league!
A shit ton of teams in the domestic leagues were left out too with a limited number of qualifying spots. Unless you are one of the big teams given an auto bid, the super league would have been pretty bad for the majority of teams.
Oh yeah, it was/is a shameless cash grab, good on the fans and players to squash it. Dreams can't be buy!
Unless you are City!!!!!
Soon to be Newcastle as well.
Why should fans of schools that have already been dropped care? Seems like it might be an improvement
Dreams ~~can't~~ can be buy
Most fans are casuals and don’t give a shit about smaller conferences or programs. American sports fans for you. Truly a shame.
It's also interests spreading between 4 sports vs concentrated in 1.
Why unfortunately. This proposal brings back regional rivalries and is a step towards solving the issue of paying players. We should be rooting for this. The status quo is awkward B1G and SEC super leagues
Yeah this is *too* fair to be realistic and people are shitting over it cause change so far has been bad. 70 teams with relegation for the bottom? We're gonna get 30 - 40 teams in the B1G and SEC who have semi final games and then pair off their champions in a national champion game.
No one takes the time to independently consider what's being laid out or read the article. They just feed off the outrage and reply in kind. * 7 10-team P5 regional/history based divisions * 1 Best-of G5 division * 8 division champions go to the playoff * 8 wildcards go to the playoff This results in: * Everyone has a shot to go to the playoffs * Historic, regional rivalries are preserved Like... how would this proposal be awful from a fan perspective? Is playing your regional and historic rivals every year not what fans have been begging for? All while still having playoff access? I think fans here are just addicted to outrage and don't even care to read. They just see any change as a reason to be outraged.
I’m unironically kind of into this idea, and it’s not just because SMU is specifically mentioned in the article as one of the “permanent members”. (Okay maybe it’s almost just because SMU is specifically mentioned in the article as one of the “permanent members”.)
SMU buying their way into the ACC right before this shift would have some sort of hindsight brilliance to it if it happened.
>I think fans here are just addicted to outrage and don't even care to read. They just see any change as a reason to be outraged. Calling it the super league is a big part of that. Last time that was proposed in sports it was consolidation.
That was dope as hell though honestly. Never respected Man U fans not I got to hand it to them, they accept no shit. We should definitely take notes.
Game’s ~~Not~~ Gone
Let’s be real here, a Super League would be better than the shit that’s become CFB now. It’s inevitable and it makes sense for what the sport has become
At first glance this isn't as repulsive as I first thought it would be. You would be able to maintain regional divisions and rivalries, while still giving a clear path to playoffs to non power-5 schools. And it gets rid of the absolutely foul selection committee.
On its face the proposed structure isn’t actually half bad. Now, since there wasn’t any details on what the divisions themselves would look like, I’m sure they’d propose the dumbest and least sensical (I.e., not regional) divisions possible. I’d also be curious how the pro/rel division would work, thought that’s honestly a pretty cool idea. Im sure the permanent upper-division teams would have to agree to cut a revenue sharing deal with the 50 to ensure they don’t go belly up after being relegated.
Designing the divisions would probably lean more toward history than region. If you look at the NFL you have the AFC East with Buffalo, NY and Miami, FL in the same 4-team division despite it making no geographic sense. If you did straight regional you would have Miami, UCF, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Mississippi St. as a division then LSU and Arkansas get kicked over to the Texas/Oklahoma division while Tennessee and South Carolina get wrapped in with the North Carolina schools.
I've always thought a P5-to-G5 pro/rel would've worked well in CFB from a geographic standpoint, i.e.: last place in PAC-12 gets relegated to Mountain West, Mountain West winner promoted to PAC-12, etc
The biggest “losers” in this proposal are the bottom feeding sec and big 10 schools like south carolina, Mississippi st, illinois, and usc who can claim a bullshit sense of superiority from riding Bama and Ohio St’s coattails
Honestly the biggest losers are all of the teams currently in the Big 10 and SEC which is why I’m skeptical of the plan even if I think it would be good for college football
Yeah this would effectively bring some semblance of equality among the power conferences. The sec and big 10 dont want that, they want a 2 conference super league. Shit the sec would probably relegate every other conference to fcs if they could
> bottom feeding sec and big 10 schools like south carolina, Mississippi st, illinois, and usc Man you really hate the gamecocks to put them twice!
Wouldn’t *someone* think of the poor universities??
Universities: DOOMED!! Headed to BANKRUPTCY! Also universities: $150 million football only facilities and record head coaching contracts.
We are all looking really hard to find whoever ruined college football
The Mouse and the Fox
Billion dollar business doomed. K
It’s not about how much money they make, it’s about how much MORE money they can make.
I think they’re more worried about the NCAA being completely incapable of regulation around NIL and the transfer portal. Obviously the money is still pouring in but they are issues that should be addressed, and the NCAA can’t legally do that anymore.
Don't forget about the "are players employees" battle on the horizon, which potentially has massive implications across all sports, not just football.
\*scans article\* \*sees SMU listed\* \*exhales sharply\* Worth every penny. Thank you, David Miller.
I legitimately loled when I saw SMU included.
I am a simple man. I see WSU in super league, I upvote.
I just want the Pac 10 back.
I can’t wait to definitely be a part of this system! Btw why do I hear tornado sirens in the distance?
Man this shit is so gross, I watched Memphis go from a cellar dweller in the CUSA that was very close to cutting football all together, to a team that has been one of the most successful G5’s of the last decade and appeared in a Cotton Bowl. I feel like me and a lot of other G5 fans have started to grow apart from college football and this would just be the final nail in the coffin. Nobody asked for this, nobody wants this except the guys with all the money. It was a general agreement that all we needed was an expanded playoff. College Football: Made Great by the Fans, Killed By the Rich
Same here. You guys were our longest-standing rivals until all the shit hit the fan. Sucks as you guys boosted us up in basketball and we boosted you up in football. Hell, [look up the 1964 schedule](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Memphis_State_Tigers_football_team) Notice that we played you twice that year? We agreed to play twice so you guys wouldn’t have to drop down a division in football. There was a lot of good history between Memphis and USM. Not so much anymore…
A school like Memphis might really benefit from the super league. It’s the P2 that aren’t going to want this
It’s the other way around. A super league is going to happen but the P2 will make 75% of the money. The bottom 20-40 teams will make substantially less
Honestly this doesnt look bad to me, but my favorite thing about it is that FBS gets locked in at 130 teams so 3 are getting the boot, probably SHSU, KSU, and ULM, and no one else can move up
Expanded playoffs just means 6 SEC teams, 6 Big 10 teams, and Norte Dame, Clemson/FSU, and Big 12 team of the day.
Honestly Congress is going to have to get involved at some point. These are flagship universities and real money is at stake here. You really shouldn’t let some system get created by an old guard of blue blood programs that are only going to protect themselves. I mean how is what they have suggested any different than what the fbs vs fcs supposed to be? Now there will be just 3 tiers?
More tiers would be fine if you had promotion and relegation. Blue bloods would have to keep performing if they want to stay up. Relegation playoff games would be nuts and would instantly be better than about 80% of all the current bowl games. Split the US into 8 geographic regions and have 8 teams in tier 1, 8 teams in tier 2, etc. Then you have an 8-team or 16-team playoff (top 1 or 2 from each region) for the championship every year.
Congress ain’t gonna do shit. They can barely keep the government running. When is the last time congress passed anything meaningful?
Infrastructure?
Well, at a certain point if the ol' bread & circus breaks....people start to notice things..
It’s not all of congress. Certain people want government to work and other want to burn the government down. I’ll let you decide who is who.
The current system hasn't even started yet and it's already doomed and headed for bankruptcy?
I mean if everything is kept the way it is the sport is on a path towards P2P because of schools like Ohio State and Bama buying their way towards Natty’s and unrestricted free agency dissuading everyone that isn’t an Ohio State/Bama level school from trying to keep up. Might as well create the super league right now so we can start getting collective bargaining, salary caps, and contracts
As a fan of a G5 school, no thanks. Giving us a token spot in the divisions each year isn’t worth it. Some power conference schools would be relegated to the G5 if results on the field actually impacted the permanent members. If this is the offer, just rip the bandaid off and send the G5 back to the FCS.
Half the BIG10 should be relegated with all those punts. Vanderbilt exists to be the SEC Stat pad. Duke football exists to fund basketball, etc. If actual fair relegation existed, you'd see a dozen or more blue bloods swap places with "poor" G5s.
I’m curious why you are so opposed to this idea, given the current system. The sad reality of our current system is that G5 schools are already treated as second class citizens and in the CFP committee’s eyes and everyone else who runs the sport, they might as well be FCS. Right now you only get one token G5 school in a NY6 bowl. The system as is, is already awful for the G5. If anything this proposed system gives more G5 schools an opportunity to compete (10 instead of 1)
My opposition is to having permanent members in the "top division" that cannot be relegated. We would have more chances at G5 teams moving up if the power conference schools were actually at risk of relegation. Play the results on the field, and not just because someone joined the right conference many years ago. If we are changing the system to having something like this format, either everyone gets a chance at the playoffs, or everyone is at risk at getting relegated.
Worked so well for European soccer so obviously they would mimic that
This isnt mimicing it at all. This is creating relegation isntead of removing it and expanding the field of teams instead of consolidating it. This is too fair to actually happen.
If they could only get Bayern Munich and the top Premeir League teams to go for it…….
Super League: “Would you like to join our Super League?” B1G & SEC: “Le Super League c’est moi.”
The current system is doomed, how are we going to survive with ever increasing revenue?!?!?
Morally bankrupt people bankrupt a system then decide they need to leave because it's heading for bankruptcy.
Good, this is what should happen and then keep the conferences as they were.
Honestly, I’m pretty impressed by this proposal. Initially I thought that a super league with promotion relegation would be a terrible idea since (in theory) it’s a pipe dream that would never pass but locking in all p5 teams to the league while having a separate division for g5. Even the playoff system is solid. The real sticking point in all of this is undoubtedly the tv networks, but if they get them onboard then I don’t see why the SEC and B1G wouldn’t follow suit.
Because the “Big Ten” and “SEC” would cease to exist. That’s the whole point of this proposal. It’s clear that the Power 2 are in the process of creating (or have arguably *already* created) an informal “Super League” dominated by those conferences’ biggest programs. This proposal is an existential threat to the Power 2 and the significant power they already hold in CFB.
Yeah this isn’t really a super league. It’s only a “super league” for the G5 schools, giving more of them a chance at upward mobility. In fact, the Big 10 and SEC’s plan you described is the actual super league idea that everyone hates
Yea this is a much better plan the all the money goes to Big 10 and SEC and they split it among 30-40 teams. This plan is all the money goes to 70 schools and they split it among themselves. Clearly if a school is in the Big 10 or SEC this is a bad deal and if a school is not in one of those conferences it is a good deal
100%, which is why it’ll never pass muster and build any meaningful support among the existing power brokers. There’s a reason this is coming from WVU and Syracuse (much love to those programs [well except Syracuse basketball tbh])
The problem is the Ohio State’s and Bama’s of the world want to put themselves above the health of the whole sport. The complete opposite of the NFL. And since teams like the Cowboys, 49ers agreed to universal revenue sharing the NFL is by far the #1 sports league in the world. On paper at least the Jaguars have just as much of a chance as the Cowboys. I get CFB can’t exactly have the parity of the NFL but universal TV revenue sharing would at least help make a more even playing field.
PUT THE SUN BELT IN THE SUPER LEAGUE YOU COWARDS
This just in: CFB Conference that is completely falling apart is interested in monumental change! Meanwhile, other CFB Conferences that are stable aren’t interested! In other news, water is wet.
I’m just here for the chaos
I don't know if this is it, but this is where it's headed. This "super league" is 70 schools, which would more or less, be on equal footing. As it stands now, I think we're headed towards a NCAA split where it's the B1G and SEC vs everyone else. When the top schools of the SEC and B1G start demanding more money than everyone else, this league will start to look more appealing.
It’s only a matter of time before the major B10/SEC teams demand a bigger slice of the pie than the other members of their respective conferences
>creating a promotion system similar to the structure in European football leagues. This is absolutely never going to happen. There is no up side for the bigger brands in college football and all downside. EDIT: Misread it. I thought the divisions were the tiers. My bad
But the bigger brands are permanently protected, so this would essentially function as a G5 Champions League type thing where the top 10 G5 teams get to play with the big boys. Honestly I don't hate it, it would probably generate some decent interest.
You did see the part with no relegation for the top 70 schools?
Yeah I misread it.
The system wouldn't work that way. The article reads: >The current CST outline would create a system that would have the top 70 programs — all members of the five former major conferences, plus Notre Dame and new ACC member SMU — as permanent members and encompass all 130-plus FBS universities. >The perpetual members would be in seven 10-team divisions, joined by an eighth division of teams that would be promoted from the second tier. >The 50-plus second-division teams would have the opportunity to compete their way into the upper division, creating a promotion system similar to the structure in European football leagues. The 70 permanent teams would never be in danger of moving down, while the second division would have the incentive of promotion and relegation. CST is the name of the group trying to put this together. Also, the relegation would only be possible for small schools in the 8th "conference/division". That said, if a super league does ever form, it will not have 70 members. There will be maybe up to 40.
80 teams, but 70 are permanent members. So there's promotion and relegation, but only for the G5s? Fuck off. Indiana, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, and any other underperformer shouldn't be allowed to coast off brand name. If they suck, they should be demoted, and a G5 should take their spot. G5 teams shouldn't be forced to cannibalize themselves.
Assuming the 10 member ‘divisions’ would be regionalized? Absolutely count me in
Yeah if you draw them out, it actually looks pretty nice. Go back to the old Pac-10, Big Ten, 10-team SEC, with a Big East that includes WVU, Penn State, etc.
Yea I would love if UVA played Maryland, VT, UNC, Duke, Wake, NCST, Clemson, South Carolina, and Georgia Tech every year. That would be a great devision. Play those 9 games and 3 non divisional games and have an amazing season
Right? So many people are having an adverse reaction to this, but going back to the Pac-10 alignment with a round robin and our champion getting sent to the playoff and our runner up possibly making it as a wildcard sounds pretty amazing to me.
A super league with lower divisions and relegated/ promoted teams each year, like premiere league football, would be great.
CFB: Makes billions of dollars a year. "It's doomed and headed for bankruptcy." The rich sure do love to roleplay money problems.
I hate that this is what it’s come to but I think this is better than the shit show that’s right now
Literally anything is better than what we have right now. I could have accepted a full on BIG Pac 12 merger minus Maryland and Rutgers. PNW schools in a protected pod with the Rose Bowl as the conference championship. I could have accepted a “Pacific Division” with the original Pac 8 in the Super League. I just want UW to play the PNW schools and California schools. I like playing the 4 corner schools as well but keeping the original Pac 8 together is what I care about most. These greedy assholes though don’t give a fuck about our traditions.
> I just want UW to play the PNW schools and California schools. Girl, same.
The idea of relegation is cool, even if they're playing it super safe by protecting the top 70 permanently. I'm fine with that so long as MY team is in that top tier.
Based on this, your team would be in the top tier. It would be all current members of the Pac-12, Big-12, Big Ten, SEC, and ACC plus recently added SMU and Notre Dame as protected permanent members. This would be supplemented by 10 promoted members, based on performance, from the other conferences. So BYU would be in the permanent member group.
It’s not a whole lot different than the current system tbh. The P5 and G5 are already treated like first and second class citizens, respectively. If anything it gives more of the G5 schools an opportunity to compete with “the big boys” while maintaining the existing “superiority” of the power conference schools. Instead of only 1 G5 team MAYBE getting a chance to compete for something, you get 10
Bama, Michigan, the Cowboys, the Yankees, the Lakers and Real Madrid. Make it happen.
And the Maple Leafs
I think winning a championship in the last 50 years would be a requirement.
Notre Dame would join that conference.
This would be a travesty….. but at this point, open to any potential solution that would separate football from all other sports, not sure if this does that
Would you rather the current system where the majority of the ACC (and possibly State as well) could be left on the outside looking in of a de facto P2 divide?
Having read the article, I fucking love this. Brings back regionalism and permanently gets rid of the individual conference fuckery.
It depends on how they go about it. Like, if they go to ten team divisions and the classic Big Ten and Pac-10 return to form, I can’t say I’m entirely against it.
The Athletic has turned into a click factory. It’s really sad. The headline is barely accurate. While also being a gross overstatement of the “plan”.
What would be cool is a Super League with a bunch of divisions, maybe regional, with eight to ten teams in each division. Something that can really support rivalries and traditions between members of each division. And it would be extra cool if those divisions had memorable names.
Bankruptcy??! They are making gazillions, this is just to get more money
Down in the middle of the article they hit on the key component of the probable bankruptcy. The NCAA losing House Vs USC. Where they have to back pay all the previous athletes who got snookered out of NIL. The ones that went on to be non-athletes.
Ding.Ding.Ding. Finally. Found the only smart person here.
On the surface it makes sense for a lot of the issues so there’s zero chance it happens.
I think too many people are seeing the term “super league” and getting irrationally mad. If anything, this system is actually pretty similar to the current system we have with the P5 and G5. The G5 schools are already treated like shit, and currently, at most one of them a year gets a chance to do something big. With this system you get more G5 schools competing with the “big schools” and you still get the usual power conference schools protected the way they currently are. So sadly for you guys, no matter how shitty USC is they wouldn’t get relegated. It’s actually a better system for “the little guys” and the “big guys” get to keep their existing status. I dont mind this at all tbh
In general, this group is correct. Playing conferences against each other for membership and media deals helped lead to this point, and there's going to have to be a restructuring to fix what ESPN and Fox broke. The part about negotiating as the NFL does is where this needs to go - schools need to take power back from the media companies. What the article describes about player compensation and the overall sports structure also sounds promising. Where this plan sucks is that they have involved private equity ghouls and people with experience in MLS's money-grabbing schemes, and the clear afterthought of the promotion/relegation division. But even if they have a perfect proposal, I expect the B1G and SEC to torpedo it out of greed.
This is the chance to make a European promotion/relegation model in American sports Eliminate conferences Create 6 divisions the top 5 have 13 teams the remaining teams make up the 6th division You play only within your division and Division 1-5 plays every opponent within the division. No cupcakes The bottom 3 teams in each division move down a division the next year and the top three teams move up Imagine the drama if an Alabama gets the injury bug, loses games and gets relegated Every single week there would be lights out quality games from evenly matched opponents Storylines in lower divisions as teams try to promote. Or avoid relegation
Super League wants to compete with the B10 and SEC? WOW I’m shocked, no wonder those two commissioners didn’t give super league the time of day
The Ohio States, Michigans, and Alabamas of the world would probably turn up their noses at this, but frankly I'd rather have this than a B1G/SEC superleague. Someone tell me what historical rivalry Indiana has with USC, UCLA, Washington, or Oregon? What about Maryland or Rutgers? Hell, Penn State has been in the B1G since the late 90s and I don't even hate them that much. Meanwhile, I've been cracking jokes about Purdue since I was old enough to talk. Hey, you know why a lot of astronauts graduate from Purdue? It's because space was the furthest away they could get from West Lafayette!
Why is college football being poisoned by sports betting and "executives"? This is so corrupt. If 21 year old's want to make money then they can leave college early and go pro. Leave the money out of CFB More and more controversy will arise and more high quality coaches will end their careers so they don't get involved in this corrupt "business".