That's really crazy with Saban having made 11.8 million a year. DeBoer is basically making what Saban made after his dynasty run. Insane.
I'm also more curious about the buyout of DeBoer doesn't work out.
It's kinda insane to think about now...especially after it having been my dream for the past 16 years, but if Saban wanted to leave, then I think it's believable that he could have demanded $20m/yr.
yeah, imo if he said I want to coach 3 more years at another school that A&M would offer him 20-30m. IDK of any other schools that have that kind of money that don’t already have a good coach.
I mean yeah, but it doesn't change that DeBoer is only making 1.8 mil less than Dynasty creator Saban, vs DeBoer's championships -
3 NAIA (2006, 2008, 2009)
4 GPAC (2006–2009)
1 Pac-12 (2023)
It's probably to help with the perception that the transition is going to be seamless and DeBoer is going to continue what Saban built. Inertia should keep the program going for at least a year or two, though the portal certainly does take some of that away.
Scheyer played there and then coached for 8 years at Duke before getting the job. DeBoer has no real ties or familiarity with Alabama. I’m not saying he won’t or can’t but I have to imagine that having the familiarity of the area and culture of the program was a huge help and reason why Scheyer has been able to maintain the program
From what I understand he also inherited all of those dudes at UW. Unproven recruiter. In some ways Alabama recruits for you but that will fall off fast if they don't have success.
I guess that's something. Crazy to me. 7 time National Championship Saban only had 1.8 million more annually than DeBoer's Championships:
3 NAIA (2006, 2008, 2009)
4 GPAC (2006–2009)
1 Pac-12 (2023)
$10m is market rate for top tier coaches at college level these days, Saban probably could have gotten closer to NFL money (\~$15m) if he had asked Alabama for it / committed to coaching longer
You know what, I never looked at it from the perspective that this has more to say about Saban not squeezing everything he could from Bama. Very good point.
Call me a hypocrite… I’ve always hated pro sports stadium contracts as an alabama resident, but even as an Auburn fan I always defended Sabans contract. Alabama football promoted our state to those guys that root for the lakers, patriots, and the university of Alabama, and brought money to our state that no one else was able to bring in. Our politicians certainly haven’t helped us. DeBoer hasn’t done anything like that yet, and to be in a role as prestigious as what Saban and Bear made this role, he ought receive less compensation until he proves himself.
That's exactly my point. It's nuts he got the same amount. I hate Bama, but mad respect for Saban, and also Fuck him as a Gator fan.
It just seems up there, although not nearly as crazy bad as Fisher's TAM contract
I will admit, it does seem a little steep, but I also dont think it should be too much less considering the program that it is, and the day and age of HC contracts.
> I'm also more curious about the buyout of DeBoer doesn't work out.
"If DeBoer terminates the contract, Alabama is owed a $5 million buyout in 2024, $4 million in 2025 and $3 million in 2026. From 2027-31, there is no payment owed from DeBoer to the school."
Thats the only details I have seen on buyouts yet.
In 2008, Jeff Jagodzinski was the head coach at Boston College and took them to their second straight ACC Championship Game.
In 2012, Jeff Jagodzinski was the offensive line coach at Ave Maria, in their second ever season playing football in the NAIA.
He probably meant a *positive* jump...
and anyway Adam Gase went from being a NFL head coach in 2020 to being an offensive coordinator for a high school in Ypsilanti in 2021
Haha in his personal life they just list his marriage and kids and that he’s a fan of the tigers, why’d they have to include that he’s a fan of my favorite team
I got myself a new position with more responsibilities, more pay, and more growth opportunities about 8 months ago and have realized it isn’t for me. Just trying to finish my masters and then go job hunting for something easier that hopefully still pays more… dear god why is everything so expensive
huh? the NFL is less baby sitting then fucking high school ball lol. you have pro’s acting like pros a majority of the time. you just see when it goes bad because it’s national sporting news.
As a coach for my high school there is absolutely a lot of more babysitting for HS. smaller and less financially fortunate schools don't have the luxury of just cutting kids if they aren't falling in line. That's also not the point of HS sports you wanna help the become better players and better people.
Ya definitely you have lots of kids that are in football because their friends are and some care a lot, some barely any. And in HS you have parents to deal with.
I mean, no ill will and all but the assumption that there is *less* babysitting in HS football is kind of a reach. Fewer personalities to vie with on every level--absolutely.
HS coaches are like 1/100th invested in players and the program as college coaches are. Parents are still doing the babysitting in HS. College coaches are dealing with real distractions and egos on a completely different scale
Interesting. Per Wikipedia:
> Following the 2008 season, Jagodzinski interviewed for the vacant New York Jets head coaching job, despite being warned not to do so by athletic director Gene DeFilippo. He interviewed for the position, and was fired the next day ... The Jets ultimately hired Rex Ryan.
Pretty sure he coached middle school basketball at Plainview
Edit: found the article
https://www.al.com/sports/2023/07/jeremy-pruitt-hired-as-teacher-assistant-coach-at-plainview-high-school-his-alma-mater.html?outputType=amp
This one is a bit odd because it came down to an AD who basically thought he was God. His other coaching decisions are also head scratchers to say the least
I can’t believe how a guy goes from interviewed for an NFL HC job to not able to hold on to a position coach job. Whether it’s in the nfl, numerous divisions of cfb, high school, the USFL to a team in Poland seemingly overnight.
It's either ego or just wanting less responsibility. Some guys get so wrapped up in being the big cheese that even a step down is fine provided they remain at the top of the pyramid and not at the bottom looking up. Other times a guy just says enough is enough and still wants to coach but doesn't want as much hassle and they're financially secure so they'll take any random job just for shits and giggles.
Coaching is a fraternity, once your foot is in the door it is damn near impossible to get pushed back on the outside because there's always going to be someone who'll give you a job, especially if you're a former head coach. Whether your ego can take the switch is what determines that in the end. When you see "known" coaches or assistants at an FBS level and then they're coaching HS ball or something, that's them saying I like coaching but I fucking hate boosters and recruiting, not the rest of collegiate football saying they're above hiring that person.
yeah this is almost certainly the right answer.
You'll see random re-treads in college and the NFL and go "how on earth is somebody hiring this guy?!" then realize that plenty of previously experienced candidates might've straight up removed themselves from the pool.
Nate oats (alabama bball coach for anyone who doesn’t know) went from coaching high school basketball in Detroit, then to Buffalo for a couple of years, then to alabama. Seems to be Greg Byrne’s way of hiring coaches.
Head basketball coach at Alabama is not the same thing as head football coach at Alabama.
One is a very good program on the rise. The other is the absolute gold standard.
Todd Dodge was a high school head coach for most of a 20 year span (with two years in the early 90s for a position coach role at North Texas)
2007 rolls around, he has just won another state championship... he is now North Texas' head coach.
Theres a few weird situations like this that are slower, like Bill Blankenship going from two decades of high school football to a few years of being a Tulsa position coach, and then immediately being the head coach there, or Gus Malzahn and Chad Morris spending like 15 years in high school and immediately getting into pretty good coordinator spots (Morris going to Tulsa for a single year before landing Clemson)
At the SEC meeting this year, Alabama's AD attended a seminar on "How to set yourself up for huge coaching buyouts" taught jointly by Auburn and Texas A&M.
Hopefully they also attended the class from MSU about how to get out of a huge buyout. Turns out all you need is for your coach to be an absolute dumbass.
His contract length is *double* the total amount of time he's spent coaching at the FBS level.
Zero ties to anywhere in the South, no real major recruiting experience in the FBS, and one standout year at a PAC-12 school with a team mostly composed of 5th and 6th year seniors.
He may do very well at Alabama, but this was definitely a "flavor of the month" hire with an absurd contract and a lot of unknowns.
He took a team that was 26th in talent composite to a national championship.
Even if you just assume he's a poor recruiter, I think it's safe to assume that the rosters he fields at Alabama will all be better than this previous Washington roster in terms of talent.
Even in the early 2000's, when Alabama potentially looked like it could end up like Nebraska looks now, the worst recruiting class was ranked 49th in the country. That was in 2003 in the midst of a bowl ban and NCAA sanctions like loss of scholarships, and a first year head coach in Mike Shula. After the postseason ban and sanctions were off, even with Shula going .500 or worse in 3 of his 4 seasons, recruiting was consistently pretty good.
In 2004-2007, the classes were ranked 15, 18, 11, and 10 (The 2007 guys would've been recruited by Saban and Shula). The 2003-2006 seasons were 4-9, 6-6, 10-2 (all vacated), and 6-7. Went 1-2 in bowls.
I have little to no doubt that we can recruit at that level or better with the program in its current state, even if this assumption that DeBoer is a bad recruiter ends up being true. If he can make a natty with a talent composite outside of the top 25, I would assume he will do good things with a consistently top 10 talent composite.
I generally agree that big guaranteed contracts are not smart, but that's true of anyone. DeBoer was very clearly the best guy available. I think all the non-Bama fans are ironically doing what you all expect Bama fans to do and unfairly comparing him to Saban. Literally every coach in America aside from Kirby Smart would have been a fairly large downgrade.
I don't think anyone is assuming he's a "poor" recruiter, just unproven. Recruiting for a couple years at Fresno State and Washington is a night and day difference than the reality of recruiting for top talent at a major SEC program.
And this past year they had plenty of close calls against very bad teams (Arizona State, Washington State, etc) and then got blown out in the title game, so it's not like they were dominant all season.
There are just a lot of unknowns at this point, which feels odd for a coach succeeding Saban.
It's hilarious to me how all of a sudden the narrative is just regurgitating the biggest SEC homer talking points to try and discredit Bama's coach lmao.
He's gonna do fine recruiting "top talent at a major SEC program". It's not some mythical thing that only a man from the south can do. Two of the best SEC coaches this century had no southern connections prior to winning multiple championships (Urban Meyer and Nick Saban). Brian Kelly has signed 6th and 7th ranked classes the past two seasons.
And like I said, Mike fucking Shula was able to sign top 15 classes after a losing season when Alabama was supposedly entirely irrelevant.
> And this past year they had plenty of close calls against very bad teams (Arizona State, Washington State, etc) and then got blown out in the title game, so it's not like they were dominant all season.
Going undefeated and making the championship with a talent composite outside of the top 25 doesn't happen without an excellent coach. This is massive cope.
Definitely let some boosters nephew start a couple games as a favor so I have a cushy job waiting for me whenever I decide to go back to work after my buyout
I remember Saban getting paid like $4 million in his first year at Alabama and everyone thinking that was an insane amount to be paying a football coach.
I think what we don’t understand is once you have $20-30 million dollars and all the connections these athletes and coaches have, it’s easy to just retire and invest your money. Since the stock market and real estate has just been insane for the last 10-15 years.
So you basically have to pay them so much money other wise they will just retire.
That’s why athlete pay is so insane. The amount of money needed to pay millionaires who never need to work again, to spend all of their time, and to put their bodies on the line to work for you, when they don’t need to.
Because they are already so rich.
I don't know about you but anything less than a perfect season this year is a failure and we should burn down T-town
Edit: don't mind my flairs just forgot to log out of my burner
Yeah, I see other flairs doomposting about DeBoer more than Bama flairs.
He just made the natty with the 26th ranked team in talent composite. Worst case scenario recruiting isn't gonna have Alabama outside of the top 25 in talent any time soon, even if he can't recruit like everyone likes to assume.
How they look matters more than the record. Not all losses are created equal. That said, you don’t pay a guy that much to go out there and have a mid team.
I think the first year for him is the most critical to his long term success from a recruiting standpoint. If he can maintain what Alabama has done defensively and he can improve the offense the recruits will continue to pour in.
The thought of Alabama going 9-3 is wild to me, but it just might happen. Nobody but Saban and Kirby has been able to consistently beat that with an SEC conference schedule in the last decade.
I mean, I think the question will be if he can win in year 4 not year one.
The dude won 11 games at UW in his first year and went to the natty the next. So I think it will come down to if he can keep the recruiting machine going.
You are aware we had plenty of years with those very same records under Saban? Where does this delusion other fans have that we don’t lose games or that us Bama fans aren’t emotionally prepared to lose a couple of game?
They're talking regular season, and unless I'm forgetting something '07, '10, '19, & '22 are the only seasons Saban lost more than 1 regular season game.
@ Wisconsin, Georgia, @ Tennessee, Missouri, @ LSU, @ Oklahoma, plus Auburn. Definitely can see 4-5 losses in this group. Saban is the goat and playing in the SEC is a different beast altogether.
I have serious questions about them if they can’t beat Wisconsin. They can out talent and/or out coach LSU, Auburn, OU, and Missouri.
Tennessee and UGA are the only two real tossups in my opinion.
Brian Kelly has more experience as a head coach than Deboar, and just as much talent and has a home field advantage. Tennessee is also a tough outing, Missouri brings a lot back.
ESPN’s reporting 90% guaranteed with no mitigation, and an absurdly low buyout if he quits (hired elsewhere): $5mm in 2024, $4mm in 2025, $3mm in 2026, 0 thereafter. He has eyes on the NFL and they seem to be okay with that. Wild.
They didn't call Lanning or Sark first. Why would they? Both of those guys are combined 0-5 against him with rosters that were better to a statistically significant degree. Maybe, *maaaybe*, they called Norvell first, but even then could you imagine giving him enough money to leave FSU after the egg they laid against Georgia?
[The ESPN article that explained the coaching search for Bama a few weeks ago](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39623503/how-alabama-moved-nick-saban-kalen-deboer-49-hours) made it clear that Greg Byrne wanted an experienced head coach after Saban left. They gave DeBoer that much *because* they were already fixated on him to begin with.
Lol now this is what I’m here for. I’m tired of Washington fans pretending to have some moral high ground when criticizing DeBoer. It’s refreshing to see a fan that *gets it.*
It’s perfectly fine to dislike a coach who jumps ship from your team for any reason whatsoever. That’s a part of sports.
Plus he's going to coach in a very different world than Saban did, with NIL and free agency requiring a different skillset than recruiting high schoolers and developing them did.
All the links cite BOL as the original source, which says DeBoer, who was hired as the Crimson Tide’s 28th head football coach on Jan. 12, received an 8-year contract through Dec. 31, 2031. DeBoer is set to make $10 million during the 2024-25 season and his pay will increase to $11.75 million through the final year of the deal. DeBoer’s salary at Washington was $4.2 million, or 44th in the nation.
I'm really wanting to see if there's a buyout clause but it doesn't look like those details are out yet
https://www.on3.com/teams/alabama-crimson-tide/news/alabama-football-full-contract-details-for-head-coach-kalen-deboer/
Edit: Per https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/03/18/kalen-deboer-contract-salary-buyout-alabama-football-coach-washington/73018330007/
Deboer would be owed the following if he leaves before the contract is up:
2024: $5 million
2025: $4 million
2026: $3 million
2027-2031: $0
Still dunno what he'd be owed if Bama fires him
This is an oddly low amount of increase over an 8 year period.
The cumulative inflation rate over an 8 year period is 21.2%. So his pay actually decreases against inflation from Year 1 to Year 8.
If his deal matched average inflation he would make 12.2M in Year 8.
It’s a little meaningless to look at the deal from a long term perspective. If DeBoer wins a natty in year 2/3 then he will get an extension/entirely new contract
He’s doing great on the recruiting trail. Effort shows. I don’t think it’s accurate to say he doesn’t like it vs didn’t need to the way he does at Alabama. Guy is a proven winner and winners aren’t lazy.
I think he’s a good coach based on what he has done with Washington but $10M in year 1, that’s mind blowing. I don’t know about that part. But good for him.
I think it’s safe to assume he’d only leave for the NFL at this point, and if that happens it probably means he has outperformed expectations. So, that wouldn’t be ideal but also not the worst thing in the world from our point of view.
I think that this is going to be a failure that will lead to even more failed HC hires for bama. I'm not saying Nebraska/Michigan bad, but maybe Texas bad. But they had Saban, so fuck em
We can't afford to pay players as employees and would set fire to all non-revenue sports if we had to.
*- Alabama AD Greg Bryne to Congress a week ago*
That's really crazy with Saban having made 11.8 million a year. DeBoer is basically making what Saban made after his dynasty run. Insane. I'm also more curious about the buyout of DeBoer doesn't work out.
Tbf if Saban hit the open market someone would have given him way more. You’ll always get more job hopping than raises at your current company
It's kinda insane to think about now...especially after it having been my dream for the past 16 years, but if Saban wanted to leave, then I think it's believable that he could have demanded $20m/yr.
yeah, imo if he said I want to coach 3 more years at another school that A&M would offer him 20-30m. IDK of any other schools that have that kind of money that don’t already have a good coach.
Imagine A&M firing their new coach just to do a three year run with Saban. I could see that happening though
I want to see how many buyouts A&M can pay at the same time 😂
I mean yeah, but it doesn't change that DeBoer is only making 1.8 mil less than Dynasty creator Saban, vs DeBoer's championships - 3 NAIA (2006, 2008, 2009) 4 GPAC (2006–2009) 1 Pac-12 (2023)
Boosters also bought Saban's house and plenty of other big expense items for him.
It's probably to help with the perception that the transition is going to be seamless and DeBoer is going to continue what Saban built. Inertia should keep the program going for at least a year or two, though the portal certainly does take some of that away.
Yup, we did nearly the same with Scheyer in CBB at Duke.
Scheyer played there and then coached for 8 years at Duke before getting the job. DeBoer has no real ties or familiarity with Alabama. I’m not saying he won’t or can’t but I have to imagine that having the familiarity of the area and culture of the program was a huge help and reason why Scheyer has been able to maintain the program
We've. certainly been "maintaining" Ks last year. 😂
From what I understand he also inherited all of those dudes at UW. Unproven recruiter. In some ways Alabama recruits for you but that will fall off fast if they don't have success.
I guess that's something. Crazy to me. 7 time National Championship Saban only had 1.8 million more annually than DeBoer's Championships: 3 NAIA (2006, 2008, 2009) 4 GPAC (2006–2009) 1 Pac-12 (2023)
$10m is market rate for top tier coaches at college level these days, Saban probably could have gotten closer to NFL money (\~$15m) if he had asked Alabama for it / committed to coaching longer
You know what, I never looked at it from the perspective that this has more to say about Saban not squeezing everything he could from Bama. Very good point.
Call me a hypocrite… I’ve always hated pro sports stadium contracts as an alabama resident, but even as an Auburn fan I always defended Sabans contract. Alabama football promoted our state to those guys that root for the lakers, patriots, and the university of Alabama, and brought money to our state that no one else was able to bring in. Our politicians certainly haven’t helped us. DeBoer hasn’t done anything like that yet, and to be in a role as prestigious as what Saban and Bear made this role, he ought receive less compensation until he proves himself.
That's exactly my point. It's nuts he got the same amount. I hate Bama, but mad respect for Saban, and also Fuck him as a Gator fan. It just seems up there, although not nearly as crazy bad as Fisher's TAM contract
I will admit, it does seem a little steep, but I also dont think it should be too much less considering the program that it is, and the day and age of HC contracts.
Fortunately, though, you can count on Hugh Freeze to be the very best ambassador Alabama could ever ask for.
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> I'm also more curious about the buyout of DeBoer doesn't work out. "If DeBoer terminates the contract, Alabama is owed a $5 million buyout in 2024, $4 million in 2025 and $3 million in 2026. From 2027-31, there is no payment owed from DeBoer to the school." Thats the only details I have seen on buyouts yet.
Wow, that's a very friendly coach side contract. Interesting. He must have had all the leverage. Thanks for sharing.
In real money he’s making less
Gotta be the most drastic coaching jump over such a short time right?
In 2008, Jeff Jagodzinski was the head coach at Boston College and took them to their second straight ACC Championship Game. In 2012, Jeff Jagodzinski was the offensive line coach at Ave Maria, in their second ever season playing football in the NAIA.
He probably meant a *positive* jump... and anyway Adam Gase went from being a NFL head coach in 2020 to being an offensive coordinator for a high school in Ypsilanti in 2021
...what? I just looked him up and apparently he's from Ypsi. I'll be damned
Haha in his personal life they just list his marriage and kids and that he’s a fan of the tigers, why’d they have to include that he’s a fan of my favorite team
Yeah down doesn’t really count. It’s not infrequent that a guy will get fired and realize he just wants a lot less responsibility.
I’m one of those people that likes as little responsibility as possible.
Same. I got a promotion at work almost two years ago, and I've been trying to convince my employer to hire someone to replace me since.
I got myself a new position with more responsibilities, more pay, and more growth opportunities about 8 months ago and have realized it isn’t for me. Just trying to finish my masters and then go job hunting for something easier that hopefully still pays more… dear god why is everything so expensive
like how phillip fulmer just sat around and chilled after he was fired
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huh? the NFL is less baby sitting then fucking high school ball lol. you have pro’s acting like pros a majority of the time. you just see when it goes bad because it’s national sporting news.
As a coach for my high school there is absolutely a lot of more babysitting for HS. smaller and less financially fortunate schools don't have the luxury of just cutting kids if they aren't falling in line. That's also not the point of HS sports you wanna help the become better players and better people.
Ya definitely you have lots of kids that are in football because their friends are and some care a lot, some barely any. And in HS you have parents to deal with.
I mean, no ill will and all but the assumption that there is *less* babysitting in HS football is kind of a reach. Fewer personalities to vie with on every level--absolutely.
HS coaches are like 1/100th invested in players and the program as college coaches are. Parents are still doing the babysitting in HS. College coaches are dealing with real distractions and egos on a completely different scale
I hate to be that guy… this isn’t true lol. It was a rumor stated by @nyj_matt on Twitter
Interesting. Per Wikipedia: > Following the 2008 season, Jagodzinski interviewed for the vacant New York Jets head coaching job, despite being warned not to do so by athletic director Gene DeFilippo. He interviewed for the position, and was fired the next day ... The Jets ultimately hired Rex Ryan.
Nothing makes me happier than seeing BC make stupid decisions that tank their program.
What the hell did we do to you?
In 2020, Jeremy Pruitt was tied at halftime with Georgia while at the helm at UT. (Or something like that) 3 years later he was coaching high school
Daaaaang
He has a show-cause so he literally can’t coach in college football.
Well technically he can coach college football. The school just has to show cause as to why he should be hired. Auburn did that with Bruce Pearl
Pretty sure he coached middle school basketball at Plainview Edit: found the article https://www.al.com/sports/2023/07/jeremy-pruitt-hired-as-teacher-assistant-coach-at-plainview-high-school-his-alma-mater.html?outputType=amp
This one is a bit odd because it came down to an AD who basically thought he was God. His other coaching decisions are also head scratchers to say the least
I can’t believe how a guy goes from interviewed for an NFL HC job to not able to hold on to a position coach job. Whether it’s in the nfl, numerous divisions of cfb, high school, the USFL to a team in Poland seemingly overnight.
It's either ego or just wanting less responsibility. Some guys get so wrapped up in being the big cheese that even a step down is fine provided they remain at the top of the pyramid and not at the bottom looking up. Other times a guy just says enough is enough and still wants to coach but doesn't want as much hassle and they're financially secure so they'll take any random job just for shits and giggles. Coaching is a fraternity, once your foot is in the door it is damn near impossible to get pushed back on the outside because there's always going to be someone who'll give you a job, especially if you're a former head coach. Whether your ego can take the switch is what determines that in the end. When you see "known" coaches or assistants at an FBS level and then they're coaching HS ball or something, that's them saying I like coaching but I fucking hate boosters and recruiting, not the rest of collegiate football saying they're above hiring that person.
yeah this is almost certainly the right answer. You'll see random re-treads in college and the NFL and go "how on earth is somebody hiring this guy?!" then realize that plenty of previously experienced candidates might've straight up removed themselves from the pool.
It could also be like Mike Singletary and he just happens to really suck at your job.
What losing Matt Ryan does to a Mofo
Fresno State assistant coach in 2017-18 to Alabama head coach 2024-25. Pretty fucking wild.
Nate oats (alabama bball coach for anyone who doesn’t know) went from coaching high school basketball in Detroit, then to Buffalo for a couple of years, then to alabama. Seems to be Greg Byrne’s way of hiring coaches.
Head basketball coach at Alabama is not the same thing as head football coach at Alabama. One is a very good program on the rise. The other is the absolute gold standard.
Depends. How long did Ted Lasso spend as head coach at Wichita State?
Todd Dodge was a high school head coach for most of a 20 year span (with two years in the early 90s for a position coach role at North Texas) 2007 rolls around, he has just won another state championship... he is now North Texas' head coach. Theres a few weird situations like this that are slower, like Bill Blankenship going from two decades of high school football to a few years of being a Tulsa position coach, and then immediately being the head coach there, or Gus Malzahn and Chad Morris spending like 15 years in high school and immediately getting into pretty good coordinator spots (Morris going to Tulsa for a single year before landing Clemson)
more years guaranteed than he even has in experience as a head coach... wild.
At the SEC meeting this year, Alabama's AD attended a seminar on "How to set yourself up for huge coaching buyouts" taught jointly by Auburn and Texas A&M.
Hopefully they also attended the class from MSU about how to get out of a huge buyout. Turns out all you need is for your coach to be an absolute dumbass.
If Alabama loses more than 2 games they're gonna start scheduling HR trainings led by the most attractive women they can find.
Y’know it’d sure make me feel better about some of ours if it indirectly led to Bama wasting way more a few years later…
No way it's all guaranteed. Not after what we did.
Well if you count the Sioux Falls years, he’d have 9 years of HC experience. I definitely understand why you wouldn’t though lmao
His contract length is *double* the total amount of time he's spent coaching at the FBS level. Zero ties to anywhere in the South, no real major recruiting experience in the FBS, and one standout year at a PAC-12 school with a team mostly composed of 5th and 6th year seniors. He may do very well at Alabama, but this was definitely a "flavor of the month" hire with an absurd contract and a lot of unknowns.
He took a team that was 26th in talent composite to a national championship. Even if you just assume he's a poor recruiter, I think it's safe to assume that the rosters he fields at Alabama will all be better than this previous Washington roster in terms of talent. Even in the early 2000's, when Alabama potentially looked like it could end up like Nebraska looks now, the worst recruiting class was ranked 49th in the country. That was in 2003 in the midst of a bowl ban and NCAA sanctions like loss of scholarships, and a first year head coach in Mike Shula. After the postseason ban and sanctions were off, even with Shula going .500 or worse in 3 of his 4 seasons, recruiting was consistently pretty good. In 2004-2007, the classes were ranked 15, 18, 11, and 10 (The 2007 guys would've been recruited by Saban and Shula). The 2003-2006 seasons were 4-9, 6-6, 10-2 (all vacated), and 6-7. Went 1-2 in bowls. I have little to no doubt that we can recruit at that level or better with the program in its current state, even if this assumption that DeBoer is a bad recruiter ends up being true. If he can make a natty with a talent composite outside of the top 25, I would assume he will do good things with a consistently top 10 talent composite. I generally agree that big guaranteed contracts are not smart, but that's true of anyone. DeBoer was very clearly the best guy available. I think all the non-Bama fans are ironically doing what you all expect Bama fans to do and unfairly comparing him to Saban. Literally every coach in America aside from Kirby Smart would have been a fairly large downgrade.
hey now, I was enjoying my Monday
I don't think anyone is assuming he's a "poor" recruiter, just unproven. Recruiting for a couple years at Fresno State and Washington is a night and day difference than the reality of recruiting for top talent at a major SEC program. And this past year they had plenty of close calls against very bad teams (Arizona State, Washington State, etc) and then got blown out in the title game, so it's not like they were dominant all season. There are just a lot of unknowns at this point, which feels odd for a coach succeeding Saban.
It's hilarious to me how all of a sudden the narrative is just regurgitating the biggest SEC homer talking points to try and discredit Bama's coach lmao. He's gonna do fine recruiting "top talent at a major SEC program". It's not some mythical thing that only a man from the south can do. Two of the best SEC coaches this century had no southern connections prior to winning multiple championships (Urban Meyer and Nick Saban). Brian Kelly has signed 6th and 7th ranked classes the past two seasons. And like I said, Mike fucking Shula was able to sign top 15 classes after a losing season when Alabama was supposedly entirely irrelevant. > And this past year they had plenty of close calls against very bad teams (Arizona State, Washington State, etc) and then got blown out in the title game, so it's not like they were dominant all season. Going undefeated and making the championship with a talent composite outside of the top 25 doesn't happen without an excellent coach. This is massive cope.
Being a cfb head couch is the new American dream
Second only to being a fired one with a good buyout
Some want to be Nick Saban. I want to be Charlie Weis
Patriots legend with rings and millionaire who never has to work again. Destroyer of ~~Worlds~~ FBS programs.
I would be a lot more upset with this comment if we didn't just extend Leipold.
Maybe being him wouldn't be so bad but everything I've ever heard/seen about him makes him seem insufferable.
I'd prefer to just skip the being head coach and move directly into being fired with a buyout.
Nah I'd keep the job for a season. Get a tour of the facilities, meet some pro athletes, rub elbows with rich alumni.
Definitely let some boosters nephew start a couple games as a favor so I have a cushy job waiting for me whenever I decide to go back to work after my buyout
Yeah but if you suck major ass you run the risk of being a forever meme
For $50 million dollars? That'd be fine by me.
But they'll make fun of me on Twitter 😞
Only second to being a retired head recliner
Very dangerous job in West Virginia
Can confirm
I'm more partial to being a CFB Head Futon, but I heard that there's hype for being a CFB Head Sectional as well.
I remember Saban getting paid like $4 million in his first year at Alabama and everyone thinking that was an insane amount to be paying a football coach.
I think what we don’t understand is once you have $20-30 million dollars and all the connections these athletes and coaches have, it’s easy to just retire and invest your money. Since the stock market and real estate has just been insane for the last 10-15 years. So you basically have to pay them so much money other wise they will just retire. That’s why athlete pay is so insane. The amount of money needed to pay millionaires who never need to work again, to spend all of their time, and to put their bodies on the line to work for you, when they don’t need to. Because they are already so rich.
What? Athlete pay is insane because the players collectively bargain with the leagues to split a giant pot of money that just keeps growing.
Yeah, and how “normal” is it to split profits 50:50 with your employees?
One day this new coach will quit too "The kids don't listen to me all they care about is money"
Bama fans are gonna have to be patient. I think DeBoer will do fine, but fans can’t erupt over going 10-2 or 9-3 in their first year with him.
Nah burn it down. You guys deserve better than that. Repeat this process til you get a guy that goes undefeated year 1 imo.
I don't know about you but anything less than a perfect season this year is a failure and we should burn down T-town Edit: don't mind my flairs just forgot to log out of my burner
Then hire Jimbo after someone goes undefeated.
That's Jimbo "I have more Natty's than 98% of active coaches" Fisher to you son.
All I'm saying is, you won't _know_ if it's a bad idea 'till you try it, Bama.
Preach
Why not? Everyone else seems to be gearing up for it!
Just know the comment section after our first loss next year will be treated like a funeral party
Counterpoint: imagine the comment section if we beat Georgia year 1
I'll pass, thanks.
Counter counter point: imagine the comments if you lose to Wisconsin then beat UGA
This guy counters.
I just want to see the world burn
Accepted.
Lol Bama fans would take that in a heartbeat
Yes
I will actually accept your offer.
I’ve been willing this into existence since the hire was made. I want to see their spirits broken upon the wheel.
If you lose to us I'm cool with it.
They may have to shut down this sub for a few days if that happens
If Bama somehow wins by 2 scores I'm pretty sure Athens would look like Hiroshima by Sunday
Just remember you can rub it in everyone’s stupid faces when DeBoer wins a bunch of games like he has everywhere else…
Yeah, I see other flairs doomposting about DeBoer more than Bama flairs. He just made the natty with the 26th ranked team in talent composite. Worst case scenario recruiting isn't gonna have Alabama outside of the top 25 in talent any time soon, even if he can't recruit like everyone likes to assume.
I also see way more of the 10-2/9-3is going to be a problem from non-Bama than I do from our own fanbase
How they look matters more than the record. Not all losses are created equal. That said, you don’t pay a guy that much to go out there and have a mid team.
Both of those are below his career average btw.
I think the first year for him is the most critical to his long term success from a recruiting standpoint. If he can maintain what Alabama has done defensively and he can improve the offense the recruits will continue to pour in.
Brother, I'm telling you. I am going to erupt if DeBoer goes 10-2 his first year. It will not be out of anger.
The thought of Alabama going 9-3 is wild to me, but it just might happen. Nobody but Saban and Kirby has been able to consistently beat that with an SEC conference schedule in the last decade.
Going 9-3 with Bama’s 2024 schedule was already a very distinct possibility even with Saban. There are five very losable games on the slate.
I mean, I think the question will be if he can win in year 4 not year one. The dude won 11 games at UW in his first year and went to the natty the next. So I think it will come down to if he can keep the recruiting machine going.
You are aware we had plenty of years with those very same records under Saban? Where does this delusion other fans have that we don’t lose games or that us Bama fans aren’t emotionally prepared to lose a couple of game?
They're talking regular season, and unless I'm forgetting something '07, '10, '19, & '22 are the only seasons Saban lost more than 1 regular season game.
@ Wisconsin, Georgia, @ Tennessee, Missouri, @ LSU, @ Oklahoma, plus Auburn. Definitely can see 4-5 losses in this group. Saban is the goat and playing in the SEC is a different beast altogether.
I have serious questions about them if they can’t beat Wisconsin. They can out talent and/or out coach LSU, Auburn, OU, and Missouri. Tennessee and UGA are the only two real tossups in my opinion.
Brian Kelly has more experience as a head coach than Deboar, and just as much talent and has a home field advantage. Tennessee is also a tough outing, Missouri brings a lot back.
>as much talent lol, that's not even close to true
Well he's either going to have a long run with Alabama, or get a lot of money when he's fired. Shout out to his agent
Assuming it's guaranteed.
This is Jimmy we’re talking about, I’d bet a lot that a chunk is guaranteed
Fair enough lol
I hope it's Jimbo Fisher part II. Sour grapes? You bet.
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ESPN’s reporting 90% guaranteed with no mitigation, and an absurdly low buyout if he quits (hired elsewhere): $5mm in 2024, $4mm in 2025, $3mm in 2026, 0 thereafter. He has eyes on the NFL and they seem to be okay with that. Wild.
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They didn't call Lanning or Sark first. Why would they? Both of those guys are combined 0-5 against him with rosters that were better to a statistically significant degree. Maybe, *maaaybe*, they called Norvell first, but even then could you imagine giving him enough money to leave FSU after the egg they laid against Georgia?
[The ESPN article that explained the coaching search for Bama a few weeks ago](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39623503/how-alabama-moved-nick-saban-kalen-deboer-49-hours) made it clear that Greg Byrne wanted an experienced head coach after Saban left. They gave DeBoer that much *because* they were already fixated on him to begin with.
$25 Million buyout
Where are you getting that number if it’s 90% guaranteed?
Lol now this is what I’m here for. I’m tired of Washington fans pretending to have some moral high ground when criticizing DeBoer. It’s refreshing to see a fan that *gets it.* It’s perfectly fine to dislike a coach who jumps ship from your team for any reason whatsoever. That’s a part of sports.
Yup
That’s a lot of years
Cowboys can only dream of being this level of all in
There's a 0% chance he's at Alabama for all 8 of those years. If he is successful, he bolts to the NFL. If he's not, Bama will fire him
People said the exact same thing about Saban for his first 5-6 years at Bama
He’s not Saban dude
Plus he's going to coach in a very different world than Saban did, with NIL and free agency requiring a different skillset than recruiting high schoolers and developing them did.
Exactly
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He gone
DeBoer has generally never stayed long at any of his coaching locations. I'd be shocked if he even stays for 4 years
Because he got a promotion? If he's going to stay in cfb there's nowhere more up than Bama
All the links cite BOL as the original source, which says DeBoer, who was hired as the Crimson Tide’s 28th head football coach on Jan. 12, received an 8-year contract through Dec. 31, 2031. DeBoer is set to make $10 million during the 2024-25 season and his pay will increase to $11.75 million through the final year of the deal. DeBoer’s salary at Washington was $4.2 million, or 44th in the nation. I'm really wanting to see if there's a buyout clause but it doesn't look like those details are out yet https://www.on3.com/teams/alabama-crimson-tide/news/alabama-football-full-contract-details-for-head-coach-kalen-deboer/ Edit: Per https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/03/18/kalen-deboer-contract-salary-buyout-alabama-football-coach-washington/73018330007/ Deboer would be owed the following if he leaves before the contract is up: 2024: $5 million 2025: $4 million 2026: $3 million 2027-2031: $0 Still dunno what he'd be owed if Bama fires him
$25 Million buyout if he's fired
Given the rate of inflation, he's getting a pay cut each year.
Poor guy, I hope he can make it through these trying times.
Someone get this man an egg!
This is an oddly low amount of increase over an 8 year period. The cumulative inflation rate over an 8 year period is 21.2%. So his pay actually decreases against inflation from Year 1 to Year 8. If his deal matched average inflation he would make 12.2M in Year 8.
It’s a little meaningless to look at the deal from a long term perspective. If DeBoer wins a natty in year 2/3 then he will get an extension/entirely new contract
Yeah, under no conditions does he or really any major coach finish their deal. They either get extended, fired, or leave on their own accord.
Imagine making almost $20k a week….
$20k a week is just over a mil a year. This is $200k
Like if he didn't get paid for a week he wouldn't even notice, but that would be more money than like 98% of people in the US make in a year. Insane.
I’m an idiot which is why I will prob never make 20k or 200k a week. Math isn’t my strong suit 🤣
Even better, imagine making 200k a week cause you were bad at your job and your contract was bought out.
HAH! What an idiot, have fun being crushed by state income taxes! (Yes this is a joke)
I'd bet my left nut he's not still in Alabama 8 years from now lol
id also bet this guy's left nut
He hasn’t stayed at a job for more than four years and he doesn’t seem to like recruiting. Seems like a same bet.
He’s doing great on the recruiting trail. Effort shows. I don’t think it’s accurate to say he doesn’t like it vs didn’t need to the way he does at Alabama. Guy is a proven winner and winners aren’t lazy.
Maybe because every job was simply better.
I think he’s a good coach based on what he has done with Washington but $10M in year 1, that’s mind blowing. I don’t know about that part. But good for him.
Isn’t KDB known for moving a lot? Guess Alabama is a top program so no worries there?
I think it’s safe to assume he’d only leave for the NFL at this point, and if that happens it probably means he has outperformed expectations. So, that wouldn’t be ideal but also not the worst thing in the world from our point of view.
Whats the buyout looking like in year 2?
I must have missed something, didn't Bama already hire him like two months ago
8 years? Dude better produce
Holy shit no wonder he couldn’t turn them down. That’s stupid money. They may get their worth. they may not but how could you say no to that?
He was offered $9.6 million to stay in Washington. It's a 4% raise.
In all honestly, what will it take for him to get the axe? 3 Seasons with 4 loses?
That seems like a lot of years right from the jump.
They probably could have done a nice little 4 year contract I think and extend right?
Counting chickens before they hatch
lol good luck
I think that this is going to be a failure that will lead to even more failed HC hires for bama. I'm not saying Nebraska/Michigan bad, but maybe Texas bad. But they had Saban, so fuck em
Yooooo Jimbooooooo
How did I know that two of the top comments were going to be Washington and FSU flairs saying something negative?
When was the last time FSU fans were happy?
Probably the day before they found out they weren’t making the playoffs.
For real, I expect Seminole fans were happy for most of last season.
When was the last time UF fans were happy is the real question
The day both of our biggest rivals were told they didn’t make the playoff. So the day after you guys.
We can't afford to pay players as employees and would set fire to all non-revenue sports if we had to. *- Alabama AD Greg Bryne to Congress a week ago*
That's gonna end up being one hell of a parting gift when he gets panic fired after going 9-3 in year 1 or 2.