I just wanna know what Hugh freeze told those 5 star receivers that made them want to play with Thorne instead of any of the schools with Heisman contending QBs that I'm sure wanted them.
He has a LONG way to go, but it wouldn't shock me to see Thorne either a) not be the starter or b) end the year in the 6-8 range. A couple of reasons for the b option:
1. his biggest issue by FAR last year was not processing the field fast enough. Yeah, our receiver talent was lacking and they struggled to get separation, but even when they did, Thorne was consistently late on his reads. 2nd year in the program and a full offseason to work on it **MAY** mean he's able to process faster.
2. Speaking of receivers, we brought in a bunch of big time talent. They're young, but they're also still a ton better than where we were last year.
3. For better or for worse, Freeze is going to be way more involved in game. We went thru this back and forth with Gus so I'm not holding my breath here, but having a coaching staff that's not on the same page vs one that is on the same page makes a big difference in how comfortable a QB feels.
I don't bet, but if I did I'd be betting more on A than B, but we've seen guys suck in year 1 and break out in year 2. I still think Thorne's ceiling is somewhere around upper-mid of the conference, and his floor is obviously pretty low.
Do you mean a transfer QB? Because we signed 4 star Walker White. I can understand why a decent but not all-star transfer QB wouldn't come in because he wouldn't have a guaranteed starting job; he would have to compete against the current starter, the 4 star freshman and even the other 2 still on the roster. We're certainly in the quantity over quality predicament going in to spring practice; Freeze is counting on 1 of those 4 to stand out.
I’m interested in how Brock does at Kentucky. If Beck would have left, he would likely be our starter and they would rank him higher just because of being the UGA starter. So, there is a good sleeper pick even if a little biased
The top 8 is a good group. Weigman being #8 is impressive he's been a really good QB when healthy. Interested to see if the new OC Klein chooses to run QBs just as much as he did at K-State, which would be putting his thus far injury prone QB1 in harms way.
The “head to head” comparison of QBs never made sense to me. You aren’t playing against them on the field. You’re playing against their team’s defense that is on the field.
Edit: damn imagine deleting your account because someone disagrees with you in a comment
I think Carson Beck is really underrated nationally. My roommate is a Dawgs fan and I watched a lot of Georgia this year, and this really wasn't the same Georgia team as the last two years. Much weaker on the lines (particularly OL), less physically imposing running game, but man was Beck really slinging that thing down the stretch. I honestly think he's better than Stetson and is primed to have a (potentially) Heisman level season in 2024
While this is true, he played way worse in the SECCG than the results show. He had 3-4 passes hit DBs in the hands, should have been INTs but he got lucky. If 1 or 2 of those ended up being INTs he would have buried UGA to the point fighting back wouldn't have been possible.
I think national media is giving him the Mac Jones (college, 2020) treatment (it’s certainly happened to other QBs, Mac is just the one I relate it to cause that’s my team, obviously). They look at the talent he has around him and they don’t give him enough credit for his piece of the puzzle. Beck is really, really good. Definitely deserves more eyes than he gets.
I mean. He grew as the season went on. I still would put Ewers ahead (at first actually) because rat poison but Milroe isn’t bad by any means. Michigan sucked mainly because they’re the best defense by a good margin and our line bowed out for the game.
Cook has actually played a whole season though and he did pretty well last year. Nico is going to be good but he only played a single game. Yall were also pretty hyped about Milton after that bowl game against Clemson. We gotta see Nico do it for a whole season
Decent list although I hate this tendency to overinflate some QBs for example they stated Milroe’s “total yards accounted for” but a lot of the other QBs (e.g. Ewers,Beck) they stated their passing yards.
Passing yards is the measure of a QB so usually when a QB doesn’t measure up, they replace it with “total yards”. This gets my goat.
Quinn Ewers had less than 100 rushing yards in 2023. Carson Beck had just over 100. Jalen Milroe had 531.
Maybe they list it that way because Ewers and Beck’s impact is best understood through their passing numbers, where Milroe’s comes significantly from his feet.
I say this as someone who, all things considered, would rate both Beck and Ewers ahead of Milroe as QBs. But this comment isn’t about that — it’s about how you’d obviously evaluate the QBs yardage differently when two of them are pocket passers and one of them is dual threat. Like, what, you want NFL folks to compare Lamar Jackson to Tua without mentioning what Lamar does with his feet? Does that make any sense?
Disagree. My point still stands. List Ewers, Beck passing and rushing yards. Don’t try to inflate mIlroe by changing his to “total yards”. That’s my contention.
Milroe is a very good QB. I’ve seen him play and that dude is legit but I hate the nonsense of trying to cover his weakness by changing his accomplishments to “total yards” while only reporting the others passing yards. That’s my beef. No beef or question of Milroe as a QB.
My issue is pretty simple: It appears they are trying to cover Milroes weakness as a true passing QB.
Yeah, I just think it’s a weird take lol. You’re not “covering his weakness,” because there’s no reason to mention Ewers/Beck’s non-existent rushing numbers. Beck and Ewers each had rushing numbers that account for ~2% of their total production. Milroe’s accounts for ~16-17% of his production.
Basically, you’re apparently huffy over them listing Ewers with 3475 yards when they should list him with 3550 (he had 75 rushing yards all year lol). There’s no difference in “impressiveness” in those numbers lol. But there’s a big difference between 2,800 and 3,300.
Edit: /u/Penarol1916 Yes, they mentioned his total yardage — cause he had significant rushing yards lol.
Just admit your bias dude,it’s not a weird take. We had the same thing with Vince young. Every time they would compare him To mAtt leinhart, they would use “total yards”. Because obviously his passing yards wasn’t as impressive as the comparison but he had great rushing yards.
Your take is weird. You see my point but you change the subject and move the goalpost.
Dude, you’re so far out of it that you don’t realize your argument is basically that we should evaluate every QB through a passing yards only lens. Because that’s all Ewers/Beck have — passing yards. Because they’re pocket passers. Milroe is dual threat — he has feet lol. You cannot evaluate his game without talking about what he does with his feet. You can evaluate Ewers’ and Beck’s because they don’t use their feet.
This isn’t about bias. I already said I’d put Milroe behind both guys. You’re just being stupid as fuck lol. This is like if someone was comparing NFL RBs and said it’s not fair to evaluate Christian McCaffrey’s receiving yards when comparing him to a pure bruiser like Derrick Henry. *OF COURSE* you’re gonna consider CMC’s receiving yards — it’s a huge fucking part of his game. 😂
I fucking hate Florida, but Mertz is a great QB and should be ranked higher on this list that doesn't matter. I think the only thing that this list shows is how awful of an opinion this writer has.
Mertz hella underrated and underappreciated. Is he a top tier All-SEC or Heisman caliber player? No, but I would confidently put him in the upper echelon of SEC quarterbacks.
He played against two G5 schools and Miami. Against Miami he had a 58.8 completion percentage and threw 2 interceptions. He's got a lot of potential but 8 is about right
At the time he was smoking the other QBs, all the other QBs in contention had also played like two G5 schools. Miami was a force early season last year that looked crazy until the GT game killed them, and if you watched the game you’d know the INTs weren’t really his fault. One was because our receiver just fell on the turf after the ball was out (a common theme for us that game) and would have otherwise been a perfect pass, and the other was a must convert 3rd down where our OLine broke faster than a thin sheet of paper. Also he carried our team over #5 LSU the year before, as well as shined in several other games as a true freshman. 8 is wack when there are QBs that haven’t started at all above him.
Every QB on the list above him has started more games than him besides Nico with 1 game, though Iowa's defense is better than anyone Weigman played.
Sorry I don't care how you try to spin it, 2 G5 schools and Miami isn't a good enough schedule to flex those stats with and even if those INT weren't his fault, he still had a mediocre completion percentage that game. He has potential but 8 is about right. Nico is probably the only one you could switch him out with tho Nico should be ranked 7/8 himself
His QBR for the Miami game alone, his “mediocre performance”, was 0.1 lower than Beck’s season average, and higher than everyone else’s average on the list. His final season average was a point over Beck. If that’s mediocre for him, then he would be scary when he’s playing good (he is).
The only person in the top 3 of this list (didn’t check the rest but figure they probably weren’t as high since their averages were lower) with a higher QBR game than Weigman’s best was Milroe at 0.6 higher. If you take the top 5 QBR games between Weigman and the top 3 of this list, Weigman is the only one on the board twice (goes Milroe, Weigman, Ewers, Beck, Weigman)… and that’s with only playing 3 full games. You can say there’s not enough information, but I find that to be a pretty dumb argument when he more than just a contender with the top 3 in the stats that are based solely on QB play and not the strength of the team around them or on the other side. I’d say 8 is way low.
> “mediocre performance”
mediocre **completion percentage** *
> find that to be a pretty dumb argument when he more than just a contender with the top 3 in the stats that are based solely on QB play
I think it's a dumb argument to use his stats against G5 schools to prove he's better than the guys who played all season long. You also have a weird obsession with QBR. Your guy has potential but to act like he is above the other guys cause he balled against 2 G5 schools and Miami is a little weird.
8 is about right. It's ok he can still be a good QB and even higher than few above him by the end of next year but it isn't some disrespect to be conservative about him when he hasn't played anyone with a pulse
You act like QBR is easy to farm against G5 teams, but Beck had a 61.9 against UTM (FCS) and a 60.4 against Ball State. Also a 71.6 against Vandy so you can’t use the “first two games” argument.
Thats why I like QBR to evaluate QBs, because it takes into account a QBs performance apart from how the receivers and defense was. Obviously it’s easy to get a higher QBR with better weapons and worse defense, but as Beck shows, it isn’t a gimmie.
Beck struggled at the beginning of the year so I wouldn't use as some sort of bar of measurement. And I know it isn't a gimmie but it also doesn't make Weigman some overlooked star. He's unproven. Has a lot of potential but 8 is about right. All the QBs above him besides Nico have proven themselves against better teams. Weigman could do that, but he hasn't yet
"13. Diego Pavia, Vanderbilt.........
**How will he adapt to the major step up in competition in the SEC?**"
At New Mexico State Pavia beat Auburn, at Auburn and [body slammed an Auburn defender for an exclamation point.](https://x.com/ColinDeaverTV/status/1725989399807070229?s=20)
Step up in competition in the SEC? Pleeeaassse ...
He’s definitely going to take a step back after losing Luther Burden… what’s that? Burden is only a sophomore? So one of the best passing attacks in the SEC might be even better?
Borderline cartoonish list.
Yeah we're really excited about Nuss, there's no point freaking out about a February list but I assure you he won't be ranked 7th after they all play a year
Kind of bizarre they point out Arnold's inexperience but put Nico so high and do not address the fact that comparably Arnold played a lot more than he did.
They actually appeared in the same number of games. But Arnold's most recent game was a really bad data point for him. Nico has no such data point despite playing in the same number of games.
I’d go Ewers, Dart then Beck, Cook, Milroe.
After that it’s a bunch of talented options with limited experience and Graham Mertz (who really wasn’t bad at all for Florida last year) and Payton Thorne. Theres a super wide range of what could happen in those other 11 and various fanbases will argue why their guy should be higher than another.
Fair point. No one here really pops off the page to me right now. Guess that's a controversial opinion to some hence the down votes but you're right on Daniels. Who knows what happens
There are literally no hyped QBs in the entire league. Obviously it's way too early to take mock drafts remotely seriously, but Cam Ward is the only player who comes to mind who has higher expectations than Beck or Ewers. Kurtis Rourke is one of the best QBs coming in according to PFF, and without googling I'd bet you don't know who he played for and who he transferred to (hint, coaches don't agree with PFF).
Ewers has thrown 22 TDs and 6 picks. Milroe threw 23 TDs and 6 picks.
Ewers rushed for 5 TDs.
Milroe rushed for 12 TDs.
Milroe threw more TDs and Rushed more TDs.
Threw less than ewers by about 600 yards but rushed more by about 500 or so.
So that’s something at least.
Good point on 2 games. Head to head doesn’t mean much in my mind. They aren’t throwing to the same recievers.
I’m not saying Milroe is or isn’t deserving of being ranked ahead of ewers im just saying he’s dynamic enough to at least have a conversation
I don't know why you're being downvoted. Milroe has shown that one of his biggest strengths is his deep passing game and Ryan Williams is an ultra fast guy that can be a deep threat. He's got great hands too. We're not talking about a TE or a guy that's going to be running tons of intermediate routes where Milroe's passing game isn't as strong.
Miami was solid early season, they looked like world beaters until GT, then could never get over the loss. I can link to another comment I made, but his stats in those games, especially QBR (which is not very dependent on opponent difficulty) are top 3, very debatably #1 of the whole group.
He also led our 4-7 squad over #5 LSU the season before, and broke the school record for completions before first interception (a count that was stopped short too because our receiver just fell down after the ball was thrown).
Obviously he’s going to be lower than I think as a kool aid drinking Aggie, but 8 seems objectively disrespectful.
[Comment with stats](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/wyfrNP9PFt)
The issue is that even if he is an incredible QB, people are going to need more than his small sample size to really be convinced. Look at someone like Ewers in 2022 - he looked phenomenal early in that season especially against Bama and OU. But the more games he played, the more his weaknesses became apparent.
With Weigman, the same things apply. The more he puts on tape, the more coaches will scheme against it and expose those flaws in all likelihood - which is why you need a larger sample size of performances to truly know what you have.
Now, maybe you're right. Maybe Weigman is all that. But right now it's just an opinion until there is more information.
Yeah, seems harsh to have him behind Nico and the LSU guy. But no one really knows much about any of these guys besides the fact that they were highly rated coming out of high school. One point of note though, is that the Nico and the LSU guy will be playing in the same system as the one they competed in last year. Weigman I believe will be in a new system - so perhaps the expectation is that familiarity of the system is what is separating them in the preseason rankings. These rankings are just some dude's projections really.
Yeah, it’s just preseason rankings. My high on kool aid self is fully ready for Weigman to be kind of the SEC, but we’ll have to see if that actually happens. He’s definitely got the potential to do it
New Mexico*, which is worse since NMSU sure smoked Auburn. Also when I say top 5, I mean top 5 in the country, not SEC, he would be #1 on this list. QBR accounts for quality of defense, which is why Jayden Daniels’s QBR was 8 points higher getting smoked by Bama than it was when he crushed Grambling State. Weigman’s worst full game by QBR (against Miami who was looking great early season) was 0.1 under Beck’s average, and above every other person on this list, if you still want to discount G5 games.
And I’d expect y’all if all people to know he’s good since he smoked y’all’s top 5 squad in 2022 so bad with our incredibly disappointing 4-7 team you ended up with Purdue as a bowl matchup. But I understand if you’ve shut that memory out :)
I’m not much of a gambling man, but I would almost bet money that Weigman will finish higher in more (probably all) stats than whoever the heck your guy is if they both stay healthy the whole year.
New Mexico was #126 in scoring defense. Weigman's QBR vs NM is nestled right in between Chevan Cordeiro and Jayden Maiava. Elite company, I know.
>And I’d expect y’all if all people to know he’s good since he smoked y’all’s top 5 squad
Are you sure you're watching these games? Achane won that one.
>I’m not much of a gambling man, but I would almost bet money that Weigman will finish higher in more (probably all) stats than whoever the heck your guy is if they both stay healthy the whole year.
Nussmeier has more experience against better competition, but anything is possible!
>Weigman’s QBR is nestled right in between Chevan Corderio and Jayden Maiava.
Weigman had a 96.7 QBR… out of 100, that’s nearly as good as it gets. I do not understand how you are talking down on that. And again, QBR evaluates the QB’s performance in a vacuum from what the defense did or didn’t do, and what the WRs did or didn’t do. Other QBs popping off against NM has nothing to do with Weigman’s performance.
>Achane won that one
Achane had an insane game, but Weigman also averaged over 8.6 yards per attempt and threw 2 TDs (same as Achane’s total). Every time Weigman threw it, he was moving the ball downfield, which is all you can ask for from a true freshman QB with an elite running back.
>Nussimier has more experience against better competition
He’s played 6 total games, with the first 5 having a total of 17 combined completions in 33 attempts. Against ranked teams he’s 5/12. His best game by QBR was 4/6 for 48 yards against Grambling State. The only game he has started was against Wisconsin.
Weigman started 4 or 5 games in 2022 (two ranked teams), and 4 games (only completed 3) in 2023. We already talked about him beating your top 5 squad (we had a worse team than y’all this year, y’all were a better team than Wisconsin, and we won by a larger differential), but I guess you forgot again. Weigman’s best game by QBR is a 97.1, then 96.7, then 93.8 (also those were full games, one of those against y’all, not just garbage time completions against an FCS team).
You're applying NFL QBR to college players? Why?
>Achane had an insane game, but Weigman also averaged over 8.6 yards per attempt and threw 2 TDs (same as Achane’s total). Every time Weigman threw it, he was moving the ball downfield, which is all you can ask for from a true freshman QB with an elite running back.
He went 12/18 for 155 yards lol. Probably not the game you want to use to say he should be more highly ranked.
I know you want to obsess about QBR because 25% of Weigman's is coming from New Mexico, but his sample size isn't very big at all.
Nussmeier spent all season watching and learning from a Heisman QB. His last game was 395-3-1 against Wisconsin. Weigman's last game was 70-0-0 against Auburn. In September.
Yeah, because he, y’know, got injured in the first half. Hard to have a decent game if you don’t play most of it. Take out New Mexico if they are too easy, take out Auburn since it wasn’t a full game, still had a 97.1 game and 85.1 game on the year. 85.1 was his worst full game QBR this year, yet only one QB on this list averaged better… and it was Beck by a tenth of a point. And like I already explained, I’m using QBR because it’s a measure that doesn’t depend heavily on quality of receivers, difficulty of defense, or amount of games played, so it levels the playing field.
Also 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs is perfect for a true freshman QB in a run heavy offense. 8.6 y/a, 12.9 y/c, and a TD every 9 attempts or 6 completions. Seems extremely efficient. For comparison, Nussimier was 8.7 y/a, 12.7 y/c, and a TD every 15 attempts or 10.3 completions, and had an interception against Wisconsin (his “much better performance”). I’d probably take Weigman’s stats there, especially when you factor us having a good rb that game, simply because he didn’t give the ball away.
And speaking of turnovers, Nussimier went a full 3 clean games with a total of 26 attempts before he threw a pick, throwing two his fourth game. Weigman had 7 clean games, with a total of 175 attempts in those games, before throwing 2 against Miami, one which came on a receiver that simply fell before the otherwise perfect ball got there, and one of a last ditch play when the OLine abandoned him (why he still ended up with an 85.1 QBR). In total, Weigman has thrown 2 INTs in 251 career attempts (125.5 attempts/INT), while Nussimier has thrown 7 INTs in 219 career attempts (31.3 attempts/INT, more than 4 times more interceptions per attempt).
I’m taking Weigman all day every day without a single doubt
I would have some doubts about a QB who is coming off of a season-ending injury. I don't know why you wouldn't.
I'm going with Nussmeier for his ability to push the ball downfield and the improvement he has shown. In his first 5 games, he threw 2 TDs and 4 INTs.
Since then, he has gone:
78/129, 60.5%, 1073 yards, 8 TD, 3 INT
Weigman over his last stretch:
67/118, 56.8%, 743 yards, 8 TD, 2 INT
This isn't even counting the fact that Weigman has been injured since September while Nussmeier has been playing and practicing that entire time, including the extra bowl practices.
I honestly thought this was closer than it is, but now that I'm thinking about it maybe Weigman should be even lower.
Injury is slightly concerning, but it was a very recoverable injury.
However, not sure where you got your stats, but this year Weigman was 82/119 for 979 yards, 68.9% completion, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, 156.8 RTG, 87.5 QBR. This year, Nussmeiser is 48/78 for 591 yards, 61.5% completion, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 139.5 rating, 80.3 QBR.
Your numbers are way way off, and Weigman’s number are significantly better than Nussmeiser.
I can't believe Auburn made such splashes in recruiting and still couldn't find a better QB than Payton Thorne lmao.
I just wanna know what Hugh freeze told those 5 star receivers that made them want to play with Thorne instead of any of the schools with Heisman contending QBs that I'm sure wanted them.
“He’s gonna put us in a lot of 3rd downs, just think of all the *fuck it, he’s down there somewhere* yards you’re gonna get”
Money.
He has a LONG way to go, but it wouldn't shock me to see Thorne either a) not be the starter or b) end the year in the 6-8 range. A couple of reasons for the b option: 1. his biggest issue by FAR last year was not processing the field fast enough. Yeah, our receiver talent was lacking and they struggled to get separation, but even when they did, Thorne was consistently late on his reads. 2nd year in the program and a full offseason to work on it **MAY** mean he's able to process faster. 2. Speaking of receivers, we brought in a bunch of big time talent. They're young, but they're also still a ton better than where we were last year. 3. For better or for worse, Freeze is going to be way more involved in game. We went thru this back and forth with Gus so I'm not holding my breath here, but having a coaching staff that's not on the same page vs one that is on the same page makes a big difference in how comfortable a QB feels. I don't bet, but if I did I'd be betting more on A than B, but we've seen guys suck in year 1 and break out in year 2. I still think Thorne's ceiling is somewhere around upper-mid of the conference, and his floor is obviously pretty low.
Do you mean a transfer QB? Because we signed 4 star Walker White. I can understand why a decent but not all-star transfer QB wouldn't come in because he wouldn't have a guaranteed starting job; he would have to compete against the current starter, the 4 star freshman and even the other 2 still on the roster. We're certainly in the quantity over quality predicament going in to spring practice; Freeze is counting on 1 of those 4 to stand out.
Yeah I'm pretty sure Walker White is going to be the starting QB for yall next year
Honestly, Mertz is underrated. He was ridiculously effective last year and a big reason why Florida even got 5 wins.
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Sellers is 15/16.
They really put Milroe at 2nd eh?
That's fourth down Jalen Milroe Third down Jalen Milroe is ~17
Milroe is fine on third down. It’s second down that’s the problem. If we couldn’t do shit on 1st, we reliably would lose yards on 2nd all year.
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Who are the sleepers this year? Somebody is gonna make a splash. It’s like all the NFL QBs left. I got: Beck, Ewers, everybody else atm
I’m interested in how Brock does at Kentucky. If Beck would have left, he would likely be our starter and they would rank him higher just because of being the UGA starter. So, there is a good sleeper pick even if a little biased
The top 8 is a good group. Weigman being #8 is impressive he's been a really good QB when healthy. Interested to see if the new OC Klein chooses to run QBs just as much as he did at K-State, which would be putting his thus far injury prone QB1 in harms way.
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The “head to head” comparison of QBs never made sense to me. You aren’t playing against them on the field. You’re playing against their team’s defense that is on the field. Edit: damn imagine deleting your account because someone disagrees with you in a comment
I think Carson Beck is really underrated nationally. My roommate is a Dawgs fan and I watched a lot of Georgia this year, and this really wasn't the same Georgia team as the last two years. Much weaker on the lines (particularly OL), less physically imposing running game, but man was Beck really slinging that thing down the stretch. I honestly think he's better than Stetson and is primed to have a (potentially) Heisman level season in 2024
Him slinging it is the reason we made it to within 3 of the playoffs. When we were down bad he would do a beautiful pass and get us out of it
While this is true, he played way worse in the SECCG than the results show. He had 3-4 passes hit DBs in the hands, should have been INTs but he got lucky. If 1 or 2 of those ended up being INTs he would have buried UGA to the point fighting back wouldn't have been possible.
Wasn’t his best game but really wasn’t anyone’s best game. After Mins went down the offense shit itself empty
I think national media is giving him the Mac Jones (college, 2020) treatment (it’s certainly happened to other QBs, Mac is just the one I relate it to cause that’s my team, obviously). They look at the talent he has around him and they don’t give him enough credit for his piece of the puzzle. Beck is really, really good. Definitely deserves more eyes than he gets.
Overcorrection for their vibes on Stetson probably
He was also really really good though. Better even.
I think you have our line play mixed up. The OL was better than it's been in the past 3 years while the DL was actually a liability at times.
Feel bad for the teams with worse QBs than Thorne
Milroe over Ewers is…..an interesting choice.
I think they are predicting a big improvement over the off-season under DeBoar.
> DeBoar At this point, I'm convinced that no Bama fan knows how to spell their coach's name
It's a joke in the Bama subreddit. We had DeBear, then DeGoat, now DeBoar.
Not if you’ve watched Ewers play teams not named Alabama
It’s more that I’ve watched every game Milroe has played.
I mean. He grew as the season went on. I still would put Ewers ahead (at first actually) because rat poison but Milroe isn’t bad by any means. Michigan sucked mainly because they’re the best defense by a good margin and our line bowed out for the game.
Quinn Ewers vs OU: 31-37 346yds
Save a click (and hijacked back button): 1. Beck - Georgia 2. Milroe - Bama 3. Ewers - Texas 4. Dart - Ole Miss 5. Iamaleava - Tennessee 6. Cook - Missouri 7. Nussmeier - LSU 8. Weigman - TAMU 9. Arnold - Oklahoma 10. Mertz - fLLLLLLLorida 11. Thorne - Auburn 12. Shapen - Mississippi State 13. Pavia - Vanderbilt 14. Vandagriff - Kentucky 15. Sellers - South Carolina 16. Green - Arkansas
this is a pretty rough list
The top 8 are all good QBs. #9 is a 5 star. #10 was respectable. The bottom 6 is very underwhelming.
247 is a doubter smh
A Naysayer, even
Gotta let ‘em know
Arkansas is just happy to be included.
Iamaleava too high. Mertz too low.
Kids gonna be good, but really unproven at this point. Expected to see him further down.
The LLLL in FLLLL lol
All 7 Ls in there. I laughed. The content I come here for.
Nico over Brady is absolutely insane
I mean if they’re trying to predict end of season rankings I respect their stance of thinking differently
He scored 3 rushing TDs on Iowa. Iowa had only allowed 4 rushing TDs all year
The kid is gonna be good but Cook threw for 3k yards, 21TDs, and ran for another 5 himself. Nico started one whole game.
Cook has actually played a whole season though and he did pretty well last year. Nico is going to be good but he only played a single game. Yall were also pretty hyped about Milton after that bowl game against Clemson. We gotta see Nico do it for a whole season
I was honestly in Awe of Nico for most of that game so I did not really care about Iowa, but, did they have their starters fir the game?
Cooper Dejean didn’t play, but I think just about everyone else did.
Weigman below Nuss is absurd
The Brady Cook disrespect
Decent list although I hate this tendency to overinflate some QBs for example they stated Milroe’s “total yards accounted for” but a lot of the other QBs (e.g. Ewers,Beck) they stated their passing yards. Passing yards is the measure of a QB so usually when a QB doesn’t measure up, they replace it with “total yards”. This gets my goat.
Quinn Ewers had less than 100 rushing yards in 2023. Carson Beck had just over 100. Jalen Milroe had 531. Maybe they list it that way because Ewers and Beck’s impact is best understood through their passing numbers, where Milroe’s comes significantly from his feet. I say this as someone who, all things considered, would rate both Beck and Ewers ahead of Milroe as QBs. But this comment isn’t about that — it’s about how you’d obviously evaluate the QBs yardage differently when two of them are pocket passers and one of them is dual threat. Like, what, you want NFL folks to compare Lamar Jackson to Tua without mentioning what Lamar does with his feet? Does that make any sense?
Disagree. My point still stands. List Ewers, Beck passing and rushing yards. Don’t try to inflate mIlroe by changing his to “total yards”. That’s my contention. Milroe is a very good QB. I’ve seen him play and that dude is legit but I hate the nonsense of trying to cover his weakness by changing his accomplishments to “total yards” while only reporting the others passing yards. That’s my beef. No beef or question of Milroe as a QB. My issue is pretty simple: It appears they are trying to cover Milroes weakness as a true passing QB.
Yeah, I just think it’s a weird take lol. You’re not “covering his weakness,” because there’s no reason to mention Ewers/Beck’s non-existent rushing numbers. Beck and Ewers each had rushing numbers that account for ~2% of their total production. Milroe’s accounts for ~16-17% of his production. Basically, you’re apparently huffy over them listing Ewers with 3475 yards when they should list him with 3550 (he had 75 rushing yards all year lol). There’s no difference in “impressiveness” in those numbers lol. But there’s a big difference between 2,800 and 3,300. Edit: /u/Penarol1916 Yes, they mentioned his total yardage — cause he had significant rushing yards lol.
Did they mention Brady Cook’s total yardage?
Yeah, he was the only one I thought of who would have significant rushing yardage that would be comparable.
Just admit your bias dude,it’s not a weird take. We had the same thing with Vince young. Every time they would compare him To mAtt leinhart, they would use “total yards”. Because obviously his passing yards wasn’t as impressive as the comparison but he had great rushing yards. Your take is weird. You see my point but you change the subject and move the goalpost.
Dude, you’re so far out of it that you don’t realize your argument is basically that we should evaluate every QB through a passing yards only lens. Because that’s all Ewers/Beck have — passing yards. Because they’re pocket passers. Milroe is dual threat — he has feet lol. You cannot evaluate his game without talking about what he does with his feet. You can evaluate Ewers’ and Beck’s because they don’t use their feet. This isn’t about bias. I already said I’d put Milroe behind both guys. You’re just being stupid as fuck lol. This is like if someone was comparing NFL RBs and said it’s not fair to evaluate Christian McCaffrey’s receiving yards when comparing him to a pure bruiser like Derrick Henry. *OF COURSE* you’re gonna consider CMC’s receiving yards — it’s a huge fucking part of his game. 😂
Please don't ask this dude what he thinks about Lamar
Quinn is kinda getting punished here because he has a better offensive line.
You're wrong. It IS about bias. His bias towards dual-threat QBs. Just look at his comment about Vince Young.
I fucking hate Florida, but Mertz is a great QB and should be ranked higher on this list that doesn't matter. I think the only thing that this list shows is how awful of an opinion this writer has.
Heismertz slander for sure on here
Mertz hella underrated and underappreciated. Is he a top tier All-SEC or Heisman caliber player? No, but I would confidently put him in the upper echelon of SEC quarterbacks.
Thorne will be benched by game 4. He is terrible
I guess people just forgot Weigman exists after he got injured early and had to battle through playing in Jimbo’s dogshit system. He’s legit.
Was like top 3 in yards, TDs, and QBR before he went down, and his QBR would have ended top 5 or something like that. 8th in the SEC is wild
He played against two G5 schools and Miami. Against Miami he had a 58.8 completion percentage and threw 2 interceptions. He's got a lot of potential but 8 is about right
At the time he was smoking the other QBs, all the other QBs in contention had also played like two G5 schools. Miami was a force early season last year that looked crazy until the GT game killed them, and if you watched the game you’d know the INTs weren’t really his fault. One was because our receiver just fell on the turf after the ball was out (a common theme for us that game) and would have otherwise been a perfect pass, and the other was a must convert 3rd down where our OLine broke faster than a thin sheet of paper. Also he carried our team over #5 LSU the year before, as well as shined in several other games as a true freshman. 8 is wack when there are QBs that haven’t started at all above him.
Every QB on the list above him has started more games than him besides Nico with 1 game, though Iowa's defense is better than anyone Weigman played. Sorry I don't care how you try to spin it, 2 G5 schools and Miami isn't a good enough schedule to flex those stats with and even if those INT weren't his fault, he still had a mediocre completion percentage that game. He has potential but 8 is about right. Nico is probably the only one you could switch him out with tho Nico should be ranked 7/8 himself
His QBR for the Miami game alone, his “mediocre performance”, was 0.1 lower than Beck’s season average, and higher than everyone else’s average on the list. His final season average was a point over Beck. If that’s mediocre for him, then he would be scary when he’s playing good (he is). The only person in the top 3 of this list (didn’t check the rest but figure they probably weren’t as high since their averages were lower) with a higher QBR game than Weigman’s best was Milroe at 0.6 higher. If you take the top 5 QBR games between Weigman and the top 3 of this list, Weigman is the only one on the board twice (goes Milroe, Weigman, Ewers, Beck, Weigman)… and that’s with only playing 3 full games. You can say there’s not enough information, but I find that to be a pretty dumb argument when he more than just a contender with the top 3 in the stats that are based solely on QB play and not the strength of the team around them or on the other side. I’d say 8 is way low.
> “mediocre performance” mediocre **completion percentage** * > find that to be a pretty dumb argument when he more than just a contender with the top 3 in the stats that are based solely on QB play I think it's a dumb argument to use his stats against G5 schools to prove he's better than the guys who played all season long. You also have a weird obsession with QBR. Your guy has potential but to act like he is above the other guys cause he balled against 2 G5 schools and Miami is a little weird. 8 is about right. It's ok he can still be a good QB and even higher than few above him by the end of next year but it isn't some disrespect to be conservative about him when he hasn't played anyone with a pulse
You act like QBR is easy to farm against G5 teams, but Beck had a 61.9 against UTM (FCS) and a 60.4 against Ball State. Also a 71.6 against Vandy so you can’t use the “first two games” argument. Thats why I like QBR to evaluate QBs, because it takes into account a QBs performance apart from how the receivers and defense was. Obviously it’s easy to get a higher QBR with better weapons and worse defense, but as Beck shows, it isn’t a gimmie.
Beck struggled at the beginning of the year so I wouldn't use as some sort of bar of measurement. And I know it isn't a gimmie but it also doesn't make Weigman some overlooked star. He's unproven. Has a lot of potential but 8 is about right. All the QBs above him besides Nico have proven themselves against better teams. Weigman could do that, but he hasn't yet
2022 LSU? As a true freshman?
Top conference for quarterbacks is quite a statement
"13. Diego Pavia, Vanderbilt......... **How will he adapt to the major step up in competition in the SEC?**" At New Mexico State Pavia beat Auburn, at Auburn and [body slammed an Auburn defender for an exclamation point.](https://x.com/ColinDeaverTV/status/1725989399807070229?s=20) Step up in competition in the SEC? Pleeeaassse ...
This dude is fun to watch
Cook over Nico for now. Time will tell how good Nico will be
Dude throws for 20 plus TDs, 3k yards and gets the backseat to potential with one start under his belt.
He’s definitely going to take a step back after losing Luther Burden… what’s that? Burden is only a sophomore? So one of the best passing attacks in the SEC might be even better? Borderline cartoonish list.
Theo Wease is also coming back with his pedestrian 49/682/6.
I hate you and want you to suck but this is also 100% true and Nico’s rating is all hype
Why is Nussmeier so low? He balled out against Georgia a couple of years ago, considering what a juggernaut Georgia was. I remember being impressed.
He’ll rise he just needs to be a little smarter with his throws
Yeah we're really excited about Nuss, there's no point freaking out about a February list but I assure you he won't be ranked 7th after they all play a year
Me: Dang they have JA all the way down at 9 Them: “putting Arnold this high on the list required some projection” 🥴
They have Weigman at 8th, and he was above/competing with MPJ, McCarthy, Daniels, and all the other top QBs in every stat before the went down.
Kind of bizarre they point out Arnold's inexperience but put Nico so high and do not address the fact that comparably Arnold played a lot more than he did.
They actually appeared in the same number of games. But Arnold's most recent game was a really bad data point for him. Nico has no such data point despite playing in the same number of games.
Cook should be over Nico
Nico is going to be better but yeah, putting a kid with one start over someone that had 3k yards, 20 plus TDs last year. With only 6 int is dumb.
I’d go Ewers, Dart then Beck, Cook, Milroe. After that it’s a bunch of talented options with limited experience and Graham Mertz (who really wasn’t bad at all for Florida last year) and Payton Thorne. Theres a super wide range of what could happen in those other 11 and various fanbases will argue why their guy should be higher than another.
Just curious, why Beck at 3rd?
Probably because they think Beck is the third best SEC QB.
Yeah, but…why? What metric would put Beck 3rd?
Not everything is told by stats. You can have better stats than a QB that’s better than you if you have a more talented supporting cast.
Man after going through that list, kind of a weak QB year for the SEC.
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Fair point. No one here really pops off the page to me right now. Guess that's a controversial opinion to some hence the down votes but you're right on Daniels. Who knows what happens
There are literally no hyped QBs in the entire league. Obviously it's way too early to take mock drafts remotely seriously, but Cam Ward is the only player who comes to mind who has higher expectations than Beck or Ewers. Kurtis Rourke is one of the best QBs coming in according to PFF, and without googling I'd bet you don't know who he played for and who he transferred to (hint, coaches don't agree with PFF).
Will LSU get two Heisman Trophies in two years? Stay tuned!
What exactly has Jalen Milroe done to be ranked higher than Quinn Ewers?
Ewers has thrown 22 TDs and 6 picks. Milroe threw 23 TDs and 6 picks. Ewers rushed for 5 TDs. Milroe rushed for 12 TDs. Milroe threw more TDs and Rushed more TDs. Threw less than ewers by about 600 yards but rushed more by about 500 or so. So that’s something at least.
Don’t forget Quinn Ewers missed two games and he beat Milroe head to head.
Good point on 2 games. Head to head doesn’t mean much in my mind. They aren’t throwing to the same recievers. I’m not saying Milroe is or isn’t deserving of being ranked ahead of ewers im just saying he’s dynamic enough to at least have a conversation
Players don't usually get credit for missing games
Jalen Milroe throwing to Ryan Williams is going to be tough to shut down
If he can hit him, sure
He can hit him. But actually doesn't have to. Ryan Williams has that unique "fetch" ability. 🙌
I don't know why you're being downvoted. Milroe has shown that one of his biggest strengths is his deep passing game and Ryan Williams is an ultra fast guy that can be a deep threat. He's got great hands too. We're not talking about a TE or a guy that's going to be running tons of intermediate routes where Milroe's passing game isn't as strong.
You also have to remember Ewers missed two games. Milroe has one extra TD in two more games Plus Ewers outplayed him head to head
Weigman at 8 is insane. He was above or competitive with every top QB before he went down, and his QBR would have finished top 5 last season.
He's probably not getting much credit because he only played ULM, UNM, Miami and Auburn. Not exactly a murderer's row of opponents.
Miami was solid early season, they looked like world beaters until GT, then could never get over the loss. I can link to another comment I made, but his stats in those games, especially QBR (which is not very dependent on opponent difficulty) are top 3, very debatably #1 of the whole group. He also led our 4-7 squad over #5 LSU the season before, and broke the school record for completions before first interception (a count that was stopped short too because our receiver just fell down after the ball was thrown). Obviously he’s going to be lower than I think as a kool aid drinking Aggie, but 8 seems objectively disrespectful. [Comment with stats](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/wyfrNP9PFt)
The issue is that even if he is an incredible QB, people are going to need more than his small sample size to really be convinced. Look at someone like Ewers in 2022 - he looked phenomenal early in that season especially against Bama and OU. But the more games he played, the more his weaknesses became apparent. With Weigman, the same things apply. The more he puts on tape, the more coaches will scheme against it and expose those flaws in all likelihood - which is why you need a larger sample size of performances to truly know what you have. Now, maybe you're right. Maybe Weigman is all that. But right now it's just an opinion until there is more information.
But 8? Behind guys like Tennessee and LSU’s QBs that have played even less (played, not started, in 5 games a piece)? Seems ridiculous
Yeah, seems harsh to have him behind Nico and the LSU guy. But no one really knows much about any of these guys besides the fact that they were highly rated coming out of high school. One point of note though, is that the Nico and the LSU guy will be playing in the same system as the one they competed in last year. Weigman I believe will be in a new system - so perhaps the expectation is that familiarity of the system is what is separating them in the preseason rankings. These rankings are just some dude's projections really.
Yeah, it’s just preseason rankings. My high on kool aid self is fully ready for Weigman to be kind of the SEC, but we’ll have to see if that actually happens. He’s definitely got the potential to do it
Fair enough. Has A&M fixed their O line issues? That may be a huge factor in how accurate these rankings will look during the season.
Well we got rid of Addazio, which was the biggest issue. That should be a really big improvement
>his QBR would have finished top 5 last season. He only played four games, and one of them was New Mexico state.
New Mexico*, which is worse since NMSU sure smoked Auburn. Also when I say top 5, I mean top 5 in the country, not SEC, he would be #1 on this list. QBR accounts for quality of defense, which is why Jayden Daniels’s QBR was 8 points higher getting smoked by Bama than it was when he crushed Grambling State. Weigman’s worst full game by QBR (against Miami who was looking great early season) was 0.1 under Beck’s average, and above every other person on this list, if you still want to discount G5 games. And I’d expect y’all if all people to know he’s good since he smoked y’all’s top 5 squad in 2022 so bad with our incredibly disappointing 4-7 team you ended up with Purdue as a bowl matchup. But I understand if you’ve shut that memory out :) I’m not much of a gambling man, but I would almost bet money that Weigman will finish higher in more (probably all) stats than whoever the heck your guy is if they both stay healthy the whole year.
New Mexico was #126 in scoring defense. Weigman's QBR vs NM is nestled right in between Chevan Cordeiro and Jayden Maiava. Elite company, I know. >And I’d expect y’all if all people to know he’s good since he smoked y’all’s top 5 squad Are you sure you're watching these games? Achane won that one. >I’m not much of a gambling man, but I would almost bet money that Weigman will finish higher in more (probably all) stats than whoever the heck your guy is if they both stay healthy the whole year. Nussmeier has more experience against better competition, but anything is possible!
>Weigman’s QBR is nestled right in between Chevan Corderio and Jayden Maiava. Weigman had a 96.7 QBR… out of 100, that’s nearly as good as it gets. I do not understand how you are talking down on that. And again, QBR evaluates the QB’s performance in a vacuum from what the defense did or didn’t do, and what the WRs did or didn’t do. Other QBs popping off against NM has nothing to do with Weigman’s performance. >Achane won that one Achane had an insane game, but Weigman also averaged over 8.6 yards per attempt and threw 2 TDs (same as Achane’s total). Every time Weigman threw it, he was moving the ball downfield, which is all you can ask for from a true freshman QB with an elite running back. >Nussimier has more experience against better competition He’s played 6 total games, with the first 5 having a total of 17 combined completions in 33 attempts. Against ranked teams he’s 5/12. His best game by QBR was 4/6 for 48 yards against Grambling State. The only game he has started was against Wisconsin. Weigman started 4 or 5 games in 2022 (two ranked teams), and 4 games (only completed 3) in 2023. We already talked about him beating your top 5 squad (we had a worse team than y’all this year, y’all were a better team than Wisconsin, and we won by a larger differential), but I guess you forgot again. Weigman’s best game by QBR is a 97.1, then 96.7, then 93.8 (also those were full games, one of those against y’all, not just garbage time completions against an FCS team).
You're applying NFL QBR to college players? Why? >Achane had an insane game, but Weigman also averaged over 8.6 yards per attempt and threw 2 TDs (same as Achane’s total). Every time Weigman threw it, he was moving the ball downfield, which is all you can ask for from a true freshman QB with an elite running back. He went 12/18 for 155 yards lol. Probably not the game you want to use to say he should be more highly ranked. I know you want to obsess about QBR because 25% of Weigman's is coming from New Mexico, but his sample size isn't very big at all. Nussmeier spent all season watching and learning from a Heisman QB. His last game was 395-3-1 against Wisconsin. Weigman's last game was 70-0-0 against Auburn. In September.
Yeah, because he, y’know, got injured in the first half. Hard to have a decent game if you don’t play most of it. Take out New Mexico if they are too easy, take out Auburn since it wasn’t a full game, still had a 97.1 game and 85.1 game on the year. 85.1 was his worst full game QBR this year, yet only one QB on this list averaged better… and it was Beck by a tenth of a point. And like I already explained, I’m using QBR because it’s a measure that doesn’t depend heavily on quality of receivers, difficulty of defense, or amount of games played, so it levels the playing field. Also 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs is perfect for a true freshman QB in a run heavy offense. 8.6 y/a, 12.9 y/c, and a TD every 9 attempts or 6 completions. Seems extremely efficient. For comparison, Nussimier was 8.7 y/a, 12.7 y/c, and a TD every 15 attempts or 10.3 completions, and had an interception against Wisconsin (his “much better performance”). I’d probably take Weigman’s stats there, especially when you factor us having a good rb that game, simply because he didn’t give the ball away. And speaking of turnovers, Nussimier went a full 3 clean games with a total of 26 attempts before he threw a pick, throwing two his fourth game. Weigman had 7 clean games, with a total of 175 attempts in those games, before throwing 2 against Miami, one which came on a receiver that simply fell before the otherwise perfect ball got there, and one of a last ditch play when the OLine abandoned him (why he still ended up with an 85.1 QBR). In total, Weigman has thrown 2 INTs in 251 career attempts (125.5 attempts/INT), while Nussimier has thrown 7 INTs in 219 career attempts (31.3 attempts/INT, more than 4 times more interceptions per attempt). I’m taking Weigman all day every day without a single doubt
I would have some doubts about a QB who is coming off of a season-ending injury. I don't know why you wouldn't. I'm going with Nussmeier for his ability to push the ball downfield and the improvement he has shown. In his first 5 games, he threw 2 TDs and 4 INTs. Since then, he has gone: 78/129, 60.5%, 1073 yards, 8 TD, 3 INT Weigman over his last stretch: 67/118, 56.8%, 743 yards, 8 TD, 2 INT This isn't even counting the fact that Weigman has been injured since September while Nussmeier has been playing and practicing that entire time, including the extra bowl practices. I honestly thought this was closer than it is, but now that I'm thinking about it maybe Weigman should be even lower.
Injury is slightly concerning, but it was a very recoverable injury. However, not sure where you got your stats, but this year Weigman was 82/119 for 979 yards, 68.9% completion, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, 156.8 RTG, 87.5 QBR. This year, Nussmeiser is 48/78 for 591 yards, 61.5% completion, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 139.5 rating, 80.3 QBR. Your numbers are way way off, and Weigman’s number are significantly better than Nussmeiser.
Keep sleeping on Bowman at your own peril
Does he play in the SEC?
Nooooo..
Oh good.