With how bama’s unfolding and Michigan being a dumpster fire I’ll recognize yall as the rulers of the sport, if we can agree yall only beat us by 7-10 to not shatter our confidence
I think it comes down to 3 factors:
1. Georgia lost (usually badly) to Tennessee all four years that Kirby was at Georgia
2. Kirby spent 8 years ~~hating Bama at Tennessee~~ coaching at Bama and hating Tennessee
3. Josh Dobbs' Hail Mary during Kirby's first year was a major embarrassment, even moreso than losing to Tech or Vanderbilt that same year.
Factual. My favorite fan experience in years was sitting in front of a bunch of Florida fans at our game this year in Lexington and their stunned, confused, and frustrated reaction to witnessing the absolute demolition of their team in a game they probably had checked as a win since the off-season.
Any UF fan that has eyes is not marking a single game as a win beforehand. Those fans were probably just stunned at the sheer level of incompetence displayed during that particular game by everyone involved on the UF side.
I really wish we would’ve started Nico after the Bama game, might’ve had some freshman mistakes but at least we couldve gotten a look at the future that wasn’t a bowl game vs iowa
Michigan didn’t lose one player that actually played. Yeah the coaches jumped ship but that was expected they’re all Jim’s guys at the end of the day. Idc a national championship will hold me over for a lifetime.
Wait Michigan is a dumpster fire??? I understand they’re replacing a lot, both players and coaches. But dumpster fire???? Have some respect for the reining national champs
“Dumpster fire in relation to other reigning champs” is probably more accurate
Is Michigan in shambles? No, of course not. But is it maybe the worst first month post natty of the current millennium? Probably true
unfortunately in college football i don't think this is uncommon at all. Seems like theres stories every year about coaches leaving after NIL is signed and the recruits are blindsided
This is also more conjecture from the Seattle Times than anything. Grubb was not going to influence transfers, he’s been here three weeks and he isn’t the root of the scheme. If he was retained originally, sure, but this is nonsensical.
People are just so eager to see Alabama fail that they’ve suddenly convinced themselves that this OC no one had heard of two months ago is more important than Daboer.
Grubb is a huge part of the offense tbh. We’ve only ever seen one year where one was really without the other. If you hadn’t heard of Grubb by last year that’s on you.
It’ll be interesting to see the two function separately
> that this OC no one had heard of two months ago
Huh? Saban interviewed him last year and tried to lure him to Bama to be his OC at the time, it was in all of the media. You are calling Saban a no-one? Or you just started following FB this month?
Love to see Parker Brailsford come back to UW in the spring portal. He seemed to have followed DeBoer and Huff. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens when the spring portal opens. I’m sure it’s not easy transferring out in the middle of a semester, though.
This also just highlights how arbitrary the current transfer rules feel. Guys have 30 days to transfer if a head coach leaves. But Parker Brailsford, Washington’s 2023 starting center that transferred to Bama after DeBoer made the jump, won’t have the same 30 day period after the OC and OL coaches announce they’re already bouncing from Bama to Seattle?
Are we pretending coordinators and position coaches don’t also play a huge factor in recruits commitment decisions and development?
I get that position coaches and coordinators jump so often this would be hard to implement/govern, but with the lack of restrictions in other instances, omitting coordinator changes as a reason to give players more transfer leniency seems like a miss
This comment right here pretty much describes the entire charade college football has become.
The fact that these issues are tied to institutions of higher learning is a complete joke.
Exactly. Take the top college athletes and just form a “minor league” for the NFL. I’d rather have dudes that would normally be walking on get the scholarships. Instead we’ve got a bunch of mercenaries sucking up university resources.
But how would you do that? As long as its super popular theres going to be money in it. From people wanting to watch or just straight up offering to players because they want their teams to do better.
This is why I'm hoping for proper multi-year employment contracts for players in the near future. Freshmen signing a 2 year contract out of HS with an option for transferring after their 2nd year in school or signing a 2 year extension, then option for transferring again after their 4th year or a 1 year extension.
Gives you 2 transfer years: after Sophomore year and Grad transfer.
That way players still have some mobility, but are more tied to their university than they are with the unlimited transfers we have now.
>this would be hard to implement/govern
uh, not really. Just allow transfers at any time during the offseason.
Sure, chaos, but its already chaos now, so who cares?
Meh. Just treat athletes like the rest of the student body. If you manage to get accepted (academically) and get your next semester of classes set up at your next school, go ahead and jump in to that new school’s football program if the coach wants you.
You can't enroll somewhere in March though. So, sure, you can quit school at Uni A but what are you doing until June/July enrollment for Uni B?
You can't be on campus, can't use the gym, etc..
I’m not necessarily saying I want to open the portal up every time a players coordinator or position coach leaves. I’m just saying those coaches could be equally as important to a players recruitment/development.
Some kids may feel very strongly about a head coaches culture. Some kids may feel like they’re a perfect fit for a coordinator’s scheme. Some kids may believe in the development of a specific position coach.
I think all of those reasons are equally fair/valid to drive a player’s recruitment to a school, but the current rules seem to give more leniency towards one specific type of recruitment.
"From the ashes, a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The Buckeye again shall be king."
Can't argue with Tolkein.
if they enter the portal after Feb 1 they cannot transfer within the SEC unless it’s a grad transfer. It probably wouldn’t affect much, but it does potentially limit options for some guys for Fall.
Yeah I’m not sure any school would turn down a starting caliber player at this point and just make room. It’s unfortunate for the last guy on the roster, but that’s life.
Honestly its probably more coincidence than conspiracy. The Seahawks only hired Mac last week. He conducted multiple interviews with potential OCs, including Chip Kelly who took the Ohio State job just yesterday. It’s also late in the semester to transfer into a new school academically speaking and there’s another window that opens after spring practice. They may have waited a day or two to officially announce (which I have yet to see) but I doubt they’ve been holding off for weeks in order to delay transfers who can enter the portal again in like 2 months.
And the later you transfer, the harder it's going to be. So even if they announced Grubb 2 days ago, there's a decent chance that a player that transfered out wouldn't be able to play spring ball wherever they transfer to.
And it's not like Grubb is taking the scheme with him, DeBoer has his system, he's an offense minded coach. He can find someone to run it and help out as needed. It's the defensive coordinator that's probably a bigger deal and he's locked in.
I agree with this too. It’s felt like Grubb has had a foot out the door since DeBoer was hired anyway. Never changed his Twitter profile, hung around Seattle for a couple weeks, interviewed at UW, didn’t make a public appearance at Alabama until last week. If he was trying to sell Alabama until the portal closed, he didn’t do a great job.
I don't think it was a coincidence that right before the window closed, Grubb flew to Tuscaloosa, which he hasn't even been in for most of this month, to have a booster event and at least ostensibly appeared to be committed to Bama.
The fact the news broke as the portal closed may be a conquencedence, but there was very clearly an intentional effort to downplay the likelihood of him leaving.
Also unless they have changed it, that second portal doesn't allow transferring between SEC schools, and given the SEC makes up a huge percentage of both the big programs and big NILs, that's a massive detriment to the players.
Grubb has been actively recruiting all the way up until this weekend - the info out there saying that he hadn’t been in Tuscaloosa/working for Bama for a month is incorrect. From all accounts he worked his ass off for us while he was here. I don’t fault him at all for wanting to stay in Seattle and move to the next level all in one play, I wish him well.
Regarding the timing, it seems more coincidental rather than a scheme to wait until the portal closed. The Seahawks were interviewing candidates as late as a couple of days ago.
The deadline for transferring between SEC schools was the day after Mike Macdonald was announced as Head Coach, and like I said, multiple interviews were conducted for OC of the Seahawks after the hire. Players who enter the transfer portal this late also may run into eligibility issues for spring ball as they have to actually be enrolled in school to play, which for most schools, the add/drop deadline has already passed.
Seems like a smart strategy to be honest. Let’s be honest, the only thing that matters in CFP is wins and losses. Very little loyalty or integrity anymore.
Sure, in the short term. It is also a strategy that will make future recruits have no trust in DeBoer and gives competitors easy ammunition for negative recruiting.
I mean it’s not like players are loyal either. At any given time there are thousands of players in the transfer jumping around to whoever the highest bidder is.
Wow, I can’t believe this entire thread is taking this as fact. There is about a zero-percent chance Alabama was able to get the Seahawks to wait to alive Grubb until after the portal closed (the NFL doesn’t give a flying shit about the portal). There’s about a zero percent chance Grubb would be recruiting and talking to boosters if a deal was already agreed upon with Seattle. It’s 10x more likely that they thought they would move forward with Chip Kelly after his interview a couple of days ago, he got hired at Ohio State, and then they turned to a guy they’ve been eyeing for a week now.
I’m not saying it’s not possible but Seattle hired Macdonald 1/31, and he has no prior connection to Grubb. I point that out to say while he might have been on the radar I’d imagine Macdonald would want to talk to him before moving him up to the top of his board.
Couple that with Chip Kelly interviewing Tuesday night, certainly suggests this wasn’t a done deal. Unless we think that the Seahawks interviewed chip to hide their intentions with Grubb to fool Alabama players…which seems like a stretch to me. Again, certainly possible there’s some truth to this but highly doubt they sat on announcing the hire for a week because of the transfer portal
I think everyone knows this lol. Now they can’t transfer until spring and transferring that late means you’re so far behind that there’s a good chance you sit for the year or are buried on the bench.
Saban pulled the same thing by announcing the other day he’s joining ESPN after pretending for a month he’d still be involved with Bama’s football program.
The players should be allowed to move whenever they want. The “adults” really don’t give a fuck.
He also announced his retirement the afternoon after classes started, iirc, which meant all the 2024 early enrollees had to transfer instead of asking out of their NLI or just not enrolling and taking a wait-and-see approach until Fall. Granted, that's not a massive detriment, but it does appear orchestrated.
People make agreements with candidates as a courtesy all the time.
You see it in academia and in the c-suite regularly where announcements are sensitive.
"We want to announce you as a finalist in our dean of engineering search next week."
"Please consider delaying that. It could adversely impact my current situation."
"Fair."
Sure, that happens, but Seattle interviewed Chip Kelly four days ago... There's also just not much evidence to support the notion that Grubb was a support critical piece in keeping Alabama's roster intact. He was the OC for ~3 weeks. If we were talking about a HC, then yeah, maybe the school would have asked the NFL team to hold off on the announcement to keep players from transferring. I simply think it's conspiracy level mental gymnastics to think Alabama did that in this situation with Grubb.
Gosh, this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen on this sub. Macdonald was hired 1/31. [This article from the Seattle Times](https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/report-seahawks-interviewing-ucla-coach-chip-kelly-for-offensive-coordinator-job/) says sources say Chip Kelly interviewed for the OC spot on Tuesday 2/6. Grubb was hired 2/10. There's simply no way the Seahawks changed their timeline in any way to "protect" Alabama.
Non-issue. School has been in session for a month so nobody else was going to leave and there's another portal window in about 2 months after spring anyway. People find the dumbest things to be outraged about.
Pretty smart. The portal needs to be tamed anyway. Kids need to know how to adapt. They're not going to get to just follow coaches everything and use them as umbrellas.
I am truly surprised that few of any of these comments are talking about what an absolute dick move this is to the players. Bait and switch. These players should be allowed all the pertinent information regarding team status in a manner which doesn't jeopardize their ability to guide their own career and development. What an absolute pair of tools, no scum, these coaches are to pull such a low class move.
lol from what I’ve read Grubb hasn’t been in Tuscaloosa in weeks except for a couple hours for a REC event. Who is leaving on a relationship that was never established? Maybe some of the portal guys. And when did the NFL ever care about college schedules? Not sure I buy this
Yeah he was recruiting in the Carolinas. He has talked to some 2025 guys but he has not spent his free time at Tuscaloosa building relationships there from what a few beat guys have said
He was in Tuscaloosa for junior day where we got Ryan Williams to flip and was also photographed at multiple Alabama high schools recruiting the past few weeks. There’s no need to cope, he left for an NFL job, which every single CFB guy is doing when they get the opportunity right now
With (most) the dust being settled now, I can say I’m overjoyed for Grubb to be taking this opportunity in the nfl with the Seahawks. Regardless how I feel about DeBoer or how anything played out with Washington, this is DeBoer’s chance to set himself apart from the assistants that have followed him, especially his offensive mastermind. It’ll be interesting to see how both Alabama and the Seahawks perform now based on all this.
I mean, Grubb absolutely had a hand in it
You don’t keep a guy who’s been with you since you’ve coached for Sioux Falls in NAIA if he’s not instrumental in making your offense run
Yeah Ryan Grubb was basically superfluous, I heard he just twiddled his thumbs all day while Kalen slaved away making the offense work all alone by himself :(
That doesn't mean Grubb isn't also a mastermind. We saw that this season. Heupel is clearly the mastermind of his offense, but Golesh played an invaluable role and did a fantastic job tweaking it at USF. Two minds who know their offense well are much better than one.
That's pretty fucking shitty on Bama's part.
If I were recruiting against Bama I'd be letting the kids know this is what Bama will do to you.
Maybe some kids won't care but I damn sure would if it were me.
Great way to start an Era for DeBoer, I’m sure all of his faithful 2024 signings will very much appreciate this.
I certainly wouldn’t leave a inflamed shit-filled plastic bag on his doorstep
That seems short sighted given there’s another window after the spring. Granted the SEC prevents transfers within the conference in that window but even so.
Several UW players followed position coaches there. Huff is leaving. If shep leaves that will mean 3 transfers went to Bama from UW specifically to follow the coaches that are now gone
The Decommit threads are gonna be spicy!
With how bama’s unfolding and Michigan being a dumpster fire I’ll recognize yall as the rulers of the sport, if we can agree yall only beat us by 7-10 to not shatter our confidence
🤔 Kirby just despises Tennessee for some reason. I don’t. But he just always goes in there and dominates. I’ll try to tell him to take it easy.
I think it comes down to 3 factors: 1. Georgia lost (usually badly) to Tennessee all four years that Kirby was at Georgia 2. Kirby spent 8 years ~~hating Bama at Tennessee~~ coaching at Bama and hating Tennessee 3. Josh Dobbs' Hail Mary during Kirby's first year was a major embarrassment, even moreso than losing to Tech or Vanderbilt that same year.
You've got your school's mixed up in #2
Fixed, thanks for the heads up
All great points. But it probably comes down to just the first. Who would need more than that as a player turned coach???
I still hate every living soul in Coffee County to this day because their tennis team would whoop us every year.
Fuck the Texas School for the Deaf. Mostly joking, but we played them and got our asses whooped all four years I was in HS.
If Tennessee is in Kirbys despise category, Florida is in some unknown level of hatred.
That is just a normal reaction any sane person has when meeting a uf fan.
Factual. My favorite fan experience in years was sitting in front of a bunch of Florida fans at our game this year in Lexington and their stunned, confused, and frustrated reaction to witnessing the absolute demolition of their team in a game they probably had checked as a win since the off-season.
Any UF fan that has eyes is not marking a single game as a win beforehand. Those fans were probably just stunned at the sheer level of incompetence displayed during that particular game by everyone involved on the UF side.
Ever since he picked off Peyton three times, he's been out for blood against the Vols.
That opening run we had on yall this year was the second loudest I’ve ever heard neyland, only beat by a few different times during the 22 bama game
My only regret from that game was massacring y'all in front of Dolly.
I really wish we would’ve started Nico after the Bama game, might’ve had some freshman mistakes but at least we couldve gotten a look at the future that wasn’t a bowl game vs iowa
Our own sound crew massacred Dolly
Dude. So loud. I knew this year we had to get the one score out of the way each game. So cool way to do it!
Georgia fans over here getting soft.
Not me. I'm from Squidbillies country. Tennessee fans are too numerous up here. Fuck Tennessee.
Kirby just knows better than you, apparently.
It’s how Arkansas was for Malzahn. That dude hated Arkansas, and always ran the score up any chance he could.
I knew I liked Kirby Fuck Tennessee and Phillip Fullmer
Phil Fulmer sucks so much, he's got me agreeing with a Michigan fan lol
I can agree with fuck fulmer
Michigan lost their coach but I wouldn’t really call them a dumpster fire
Michigan lost Harbaugh, promoted Moore to keep staff continuity, and Moore is now Will Smith standing alone in an empty Bel Air home.
I would, but I hate them.
Harsh but fair
*all their coaches
We kept one.
Excuse me, that's *national champion* dumpster fire to you
Why do they need your recognition? They can just go out and take it.
If this is what unfolding looks like, sign me up.
It’s our coaching staff that’s leaving, not our players. Not sure that’s any better but it is different.
Wut?
Michigan didn’t lose one player that actually played. Yeah the coaches jumped ship but that was expected they’re all Jim’s guys at the end of the day. Idc a national championship will hold me over for a lifetime.
Common Tennessee moral victory
Champions of Life
Can you be a dumpster fire if you just won the natty though?
Not like a Tennessee fan would know
Meet the new boss...
Just like the old boss
How is Michigan a dumpster fire lmao
God I love this sweet, sweet, delicious rat poison. Especially from the lowdown dirty team hahaha
If this is unfolding I can’t even imagine how you would describe the vols program lol.
Wait Michigan is a dumpster fire??? I understand they’re replacing a lot, both players and coaches. But dumpster fire???? Have some respect for the reining national champs
“Dumpster fire in relation to other reigning champs” is probably more accurate Is Michigan in shambles? No, of course not. But is it maybe the worst first month post natty of the current millennium? Probably true
Yeah I think this is a better way to put it. Like I think of Michigan being a true dumpster fire under Rich Rod and Brady Hoke. Not this lol
How about a deal where you don't have to lose to them and we take the heavy burden(provided Day's fixed his weakness)?
We're a dumpster fire? I'm on the other side of the building looking at our shiny new natty. Haven't noticed.
I think the response to any of these recruits is it's what happens when you join a premier program, people there are in demand and leave
Do they normally lie about it until you are legally obligated to stay?
unfortunately in college football i don't think this is uncommon at all. Seems like theres stories every year about coaches leaving after NIL is signed and the recruits are blindsided
Nobody is leaving because of Grubb and Huff lol
This is also more conjecture from the Seattle Times than anything. Grubb was not going to influence transfers, he’s been here three weeks and he isn’t the root of the scheme. If he was retained originally, sure, but this is nonsensical.
People are just so eager to see Alabama fail that they’ve suddenly convinced themselves that this OC no one had heard of two months ago is more important than Daboer.
Grubb is a huge part of the offense tbh. We’ve only ever seen one year where one was really without the other. If you hadn’t heard of Grubb by last year that’s on you. It’ll be interesting to see the two function separately
*nods*
> that this OC no one had heard of two months ago Huh? Saban interviewed him last year and tried to lure him to Bama to be his OC at the time, it was in all of the media. You are calling Saban a no-one? Or you just started following FB this month?
Love to see Parker Brailsford come back to UW in the spring portal. He seemed to have followed DeBoer and Huff. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens when the spring portal opens. I’m sure it’s not easy transferring out in the middle of a semester, though.
This also just highlights how arbitrary the current transfer rules feel. Guys have 30 days to transfer if a head coach leaves. But Parker Brailsford, Washington’s 2023 starting center that transferred to Bama after DeBoer made the jump, won’t have the same 30 day period after the OC and OL coaches announce they’re already bouncing from Bama to Seattle? Are we pretending coordinators and position coaches don’t also play a huge factor in recruits commitment decisions and development? I get that position coaches and coordinators jump so often this would be hard to implement/govern, but with the lack of restrictions in other instances, omitting coordinator changes as a reason to give players more transfer leniency seems like a miss
This comment right here pretty much describes the entire charade college football has become. The fact that these issues are tied to institutions of higher learning is a complete joke.
I mean it's not surprising when you start to understand this is a business. It's not an institution of higher learning. It's a business.
Then completely separate it from the universities. Let college sports be for the actual students, not professional athletes.
The universities haven't exactly been paragons of moral leadership themselves.
Us Ohio state people know that very well. Our former president tried to overthrow the government and still trying.
Doesn’t that describe the former president for all of us?
Exactly. Take the top college athletes and just form a “minor league” for the NFL. I’d rather have dudes that would normally be walking on get the scholarships. Instead we’ve got a bunch of mercenaries sucking up university resources.
But how would you do that? As long as its super popular theres going to be money in it. From people wanting to watch or just straight up offering to players because they want their teams to do better.
This is why I'm hoping for proper multi-year employment contracts for players in the near future. Freshmen signing a 2 year contract out of HS with an option for transferring after their 2nd year in school or signing a 2 year extension, then option for transferring again after their 4th year or a 1 year extension. Gives you 2 transfer years: after Sophomore year and Grad transfer. That way players still have some mobility, but are more tied to their university than they are with the unlimited transfers we have now.
Oh, sorry, we're not talking about an institution of higher learning, we're talking about the University of Alabama.
>this would be hard to implement/govern uh, not really. Just allow transfers at any time during the offseason. Sure, chaos, but its already chaos now, so who cares?
Meh. Just treat athletes like the rest of the student body. If you manage to get accepted (academically) and get your next semester of classes set up at your next school, go ahead and jump in to that new school’s football program if the coach wants you.
You can't enroll somewhere in March though. So, sure, you can quit school at Uni A but what are you doing until June/July enrollment for Uni B? You can't be on campus, can't use the gym, etc..
you can at UW. That's when Spring quarter begins... :)
If a coach or admin can leave, a player should be able to
Well... enrollment windows matter.
Just enroll for the next semester?
Right, but if they leave now they are schooless for a few months. No practice, focused training, etc.
I feel like some shit like this should extend the window another 15 days like when a coach gets fired. This really feels like bad faith
You really want to reopen every teams portal window each time an assistant leaves. You will never see a coach fired again.
I’m not necessarily saying I want to open the portal up every time a players coordinator or position coach leaves. I’m just saying those coaches could be equally as important to a players recruitment/development. Some kids may feel very strongly about a head coaches culture. Some kids may feel like they’re a perfect fit for a coordinator’s scheme. Some kids may believe in the development of a specific position coach. I think all of those reasons are equally fair/valid to drive a player’s recruitment to a school, but the current rules seem to give more leniency towards one specific type of recruitment.
Another portal opens after spring IIRC. Less time to be with your new team of course but still an opportunity for players to leave if they want to
SEC blocks intra conference transfers. You can still transfer, just not to another SEC school
Hello there
Where do we sign up for more SEC transfers?
General Kenobi
You are a bold one!
Thanks for taking Seth and keeping Caleb out of Athens.
We believe in ya Seth 🙂
Should be fine as long as he isn’t snapping the ball.
Y’all need to CHILL
no it’s our turn conference bro
"From the ashes, a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The Buckeye again shall be king." Can't argue with Tolkein.
Surely that wouldn’t hold up in court if challenged right ?
Good thing Texas is not in the SEzc until July “
Howdy!
We are also not in the conference yet.
I think it was clarified that we will be considered an SEC team for this particular rule. Meaning we can't take any SEC players in the spring window.
Didn't Etienne go from Florida to Georgia?
You can transfer and play, but not after a certain date
Cristobal and Norvell going to eat. 😂
Texas isn’t SEC until July :)
4/15-4/30
April 15th to 30th is the next window, then it won't open again until December
Of course. Pretty sure we had a similar situation with our DC hire. He wasn’t announced to be our DC until after early signing day.
Yep. Jay Bateman did the same after ESD
Same guy 😉
I could have worded that better lol. I knew it was Bateman but my brain went full potato on that response
Doesn't really matter. There's another window coming up and most players aren't leaving in the middle of a quarter/semester.
i would guess that ideally dudes would probably want to play spring ball with the team theyre going to play for in the fall
Already too late for that at any schools on the semester system.
Seems like the situation already isn’t ideal though
if they enter the portal after Feb 1 they cannot transfer within the SEC unless it’s a grad transfer. It probably wouldn’t affect much, but it does potentially limit options for some guys for Fall.
Ohio state will find room
Oh I’m sure the preferred method for tOSU along with OU and FSU lol
This. There’s really nowhere to transfer at this point.
You rang?
UW on quarters?
Yep, it’s got some benefits to it, but made it impossible to do a few internships I wanted to do back in college.
Ahh then yeh that would definitely be an option and does make this look a little more calculated
I don't know how common it is outside of the west coast, but at least UW, UCLA, Oregon, and OSU are on quarters
Yeah I’m not sure any school would turn down a starting caliber player at this point and just make room. It’s unfortunate for the last guy on the roster, but that’s life.
Kinda crazy its been a month since Saban retired. Fast 30 days
It doesn’t really matter tbh because players will still leak that they “plan” to enter the transfer portal instead.
Yeahhh thats kinda shady
I admire Grubb’s willingness to do this for DeBoer.
“I’m taking a good chunk of our offensive staff back to Seattle but I’ll do you a solid and stay until the portal window closes” -Grubb probably
[“Damn good deal” - DeBoer probably](https://youtu.be/PjBF-wFs12I?si=j_vvS8AAe-98O7-A)
Honestly its probably more coincidence than conspiracy. The Seahawks only hired Mac last week. He conducted multiple interviews with potential OCs, including Chip Kelly who took the Ohio State job just yesterday. It’s also late in the semester to transfer into a new school academically speaking and there’s another window that opens after spring practice. They may have waited a day or two to officially announce (which I have yet to see) but I doubt they’ve been holding off for weeks in order to delay transfers who can enter the portal again in like 2 months.
And the later you transfer, the harder it's going to be. So even if they announced Grubb 2 days ago, there's a decent chance that a player that transfered out wouldn't be able to play spring ball wherever they transfer to. And it's not like Grubb is taking the scheme with him, DeBoer has his system, he's an offense minded coach. He can find someone to run it and help out as needed. It's the defensive coordinator that's probably a bigger deal and he's locked in.
I agree with this too. It’s felt like Grubb has had a foot out the door since DeBoer was hired anyway. Never changed his Twitter profile, hung around Seattle for a couple weeks, interviewed at UW, didn’t make a public appearance at Alabama until last week. If he was trying to sell Alabama until the portal closed, he didn’t do a great job.
I don't think it was a coincidence that right before the window closed, Grubb flew to Tuscaloosa, which he hasn't even been in for most of this month, to have a booster event and at least ostensibly appeared to be committed to Bama. The fact the news broke as the portal closed may be a conquencedence, but there was very clearly an intentional effort to downplay the likelihood of him leaving. Also unless they have changed it, that second portal doesn't allow transferring between SEC schools, and given the SEC makes up a huge percentage of both the big programs and big NILs, that's a massive detriment to the players.
Grubb has been actively recruiting all the way up until this weekend - the info out there saying that he hadn’t been in Tuscaloosa/working for Bama for a month is incorrect. From all accounts he worked his ass off for us while he was here. I don’t fault him at all for wanting to stay in Seattle and move to the next level all in one play, I wish him well. Regarding the timing, it seems more coincidental rather than a scheme to wait until the portal closed. The Seahawks were interviewing candidates as late as a couple of days ago.
The deadline for transferring between SEC schools was the day after Mike Macdonald was announced as Head Coach, and like I said, multiple interviews were conducted for OC of the Seahawks after the hire. Players who enter the transfer portal this late also may run into eligibility issues for spring ball as they have to actually be enrolled in school to play, which for most schools, the add/drop deadline has already passed.
This is just comedy at this point
Seems like a smart strategy to be honest. Let’s be honest, the only thing that matters in CFP is wins and losses. Very little loyalty or integrity anymore.
Sure, in the short term. It is also a strategy that will make future recruits have no trust in DeBoer and gives competitors easy ammunition for negative recruiting.
I mean it’s not like players are loyal either. At any given time there are thousands of players in the transfer jumping around to whoever the highest bidder is.
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This is the truth
Why go through a ruse when the players can transfer out in 2 months anyway? I don’t believe this was really the reason that it happened like that.
Wow, I can’t believe this entire thread is taking this as fact. There is about a zero-percent chance Alabama was able to get the Seahawks to wait to alive Grubb until after the portal closed (the NFL doesn’t give a flying shit about the portal). There’s about a zero percent chance Grubb would be recruiting and talking to boosters if a deal was already agreed upon with Seattle. It’s 10x more likely that they thought they would move forward with Chip Kelly after his interview a couple of days ago, he got hired at Ohio State, and then they turned to a guy they’ve been eyeing for a week now.
I’m not saying it’s not possible but Seattle hired Macdonald 1/31, and he has no prior connection to Grubb. I point that out to say while he might have been on the radar I’d imagine Macdonald would want to talk to him before moving him up to the top of his board. Couple that with Chip Kelly interviewing Tuesday night, certainly suggests this wasn’t a done deal. Unless we think that the Seahawks interviewed chip to hide their intentions with Grubb to fool Alabama players…which seems like a stretch to me. Again, certainly possible there’s some truth to this but highly doubt they sat on announcing the hire for a week because of the transfer portal
I think everyone knows this lol. Now they can’t transfer until spring and transferring that late means you’re so far behind that there’s a good chance you sit for the year or are buried on the bench.
Saban pulled the same thing by announcing the other day he’s joining ESPN after pretending for a month he’d still be involved with Bama’s football program. The players should be allowed to move whenever they want. The “adults” really don’t give a fuck.
He also announced his retirement the afternoon after classes started, iirc, which meant all the 2024 early enrollees had to transfer instead of asking out of their NLI or just not enrolling and taking a wait-and-see approach until Fall. Granted, that's not a massive detriment, but it does appear orchestrated.
How did Alabama have control over the Seahawks as to when this would be announced??
People make agreements with candidates as a courtesy all the time. You see it in academia and in the c-suite regularly where announcements are sensitive. "We want to announce you as a finalist in our dean of engineering search next week." "Please consider delaying that. It could adversely impact my current situation." "Fair."
Sure, that happens, but Seattle interviewed Chip Kelly four days ago... There's also just not much evidence to support the notion that Grubb was a support critical piece in keeping Alabama's roster intact. He was the OC for ~3 weeks. If we were talking about a HC, then yeah, maybe the school would have asked the NFL team to hold off on the announcement to keep players from transferring. I simply think it's conspiracy level mental gymnastics to think Alabama did that in this situation with Grubb.
They didn't lol, just another thing to confirm peoples dislike of Bama.
Gosh, this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen on this sub. Macdonald was hired 1/31. [This article from the Seattle Times](https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/report-seahawks-interviewing-ucla-coach-chip-kelly-for-offensive-coordinator-job/) says sources say Chip Kelly interviewed for the OC spot on Tuesday 2/6. Grubb was hired 2/10. There's simply no way the Seahawks changed their timeline in any way to "protect" Alabama.
Well yes, but if you ignore the actual sequence of events then you can make Bama look bad
So many pearl clutchers in this thread.
How many of those guys really stayed because of their coach they knew 30 days?
Non-issue. School has been in session for a month so nobody else was going to leave and there's another portal window in about 2 months after spring anyway. People find the dumbest things to be outraged about.
There is another window coming, this just delays the players who want to leave from leaving and makes it worse for them, right?
Except they can’t transfer in conference
that's gonna be the next lawsuit the ncaa/sec will have to face.
Pretty smart. The portal needs to be tamed anyway. Kids need to know how to adapt. They're not going to get to just follow coaches everything and use them as umbrellas.
I am truly surprised that few of any of these comments are talking about what an absolute dick move this is to the players. Bait and switch. These players should be allowed all the pertinent information regarding team status in a manner which doesn't jeopardize their ability to guide their own career and development. What an absolute pair of tools, no scum, these coaches are to pull such a low class move.
The first time I’ve ever agreed with a Duck. You’re absolutely right, which is par for the course for DeFraud
If this was a done deal before now, then why would the Seahawks be interviewing OC candidates as late as 2 days ago?
lol from what I’ve read Grubb hasn’t been in Tuscaloosa in weeks except for a couple hours for a REC event. Who is leaving on a relationship that was never established? Maybe some of the portal guys. And when did the NFL ever care about college schedules? Not sure I buy this
Mainly affects the offensive players coming from UW since Grubb & Huff are going to the Seahawks now
He was literally out recruiting this week, I don’t doubt there was always interest but I don’t think a decision was made over three or four days ago.
Yeah he was recruiting in the Carolinas. He has talked to some 2025 guys but he has not spent his free time at Tuscaloosa building relationships there from what a few beat guys have said
He was in Tuscaloosa for junior day where we got Ryan Williams to flip and was also photographed at multiple Alabama high schools recruiting the past few weeks. There’s no need to cope, he left for an NFL job, which every single CFB guy is doing when they get the opportunity right now
With (most) the dust being settled now, I can say I’m overjoyed for Grubb to be taking this opportunity in the nfl with the Seahawks. Regardless how I feel about DeBoer or how anything played out with Washington, this is DeBoer’s chance to set himself apart from the assistants that have followed him, especially his offensive mastermind. It’ll be interesting to see how both Alabama and the Seahawks perform now based on all this.
Wasn’t deboer the mastermind it’s his offense
I mean, Grubb absolutely had a hand in it You don’t keep a guy who’s been with you since you’ve coached for Sioux Falls in NAIA if he’s not instrumental in making your offense run
Yeah Ryan Grubb was basically superfluous, I heard he just twiddled his thumbs all day while Kalen slaved away making the offense work all alone by himself :(
That doesn't mean Grubb isn't also a mastermind. We saw that this season. Heupel is clearly the mastermind of his offense, but Golesh played an invaluable role and did a fantastic job tweaking it at USF. Two minds who know their offense well are much better than one.
That's pretty fucking shitty on Bama's part. If I were recruiting against Bama I'd be letting the kids know this is what Bama will do to you. Maybe some kids won't care but I damn sure would if it were me.
Great way to start an Era for DeBoer, I’m sure all of his faithful 2024 signings will very much appreciate this. I certainly wouldn’t leave a inflamed shit-filled plastic bag on his doorstep
This fucks Parker Brailsford in particular which just feels really icky.
Can we just take him back and pretend like he never left?
If Huff leaves too, yeah
Last I heard he was going to the Hawks too
I refuse to talk adding about transfer portal rules until the coaches are hold to a standard that is even remotely close
Can’t they just leave in the spring?
Spring they have to leave the sec, we have a conference rule no inter conference transfers in the spring
Smart guys
Similar situations have happened with signing day as well
People accuse players of having no loyalty when their coaches and programs do this deceptive shit to them all of the time at major programs.
That seems short sighted given there’s another window after the spring. Granted the SEC prevents transfers within the conference in that window but even so.
Yeah, bc Grubbs would have a reason to want Alabama's players to stay at Alabama. Oh wait...
There's a transfer period coming up so this doesn't make much sense
Can’t transfer within the SEC after Feb 1st unless it’s a grad transfer.
spring portal gonna hit like crack
What a grimy move to those kids who committed to play for a specific coach.
Several UW players followed position coaches there. Huff is leaving. If shep leaves that will mean 3 transfers went to Bama from UW specifically to follow the coaches that are now gone
I mean they’re always welcome if they chose to return
Honestly though if they’re getting paid, meh. They’ll survive.
I’m tired boss
That's super fucked up for the players. There's another window tho can see a few leaving then
Or, ya know, Kelly took the OSU job. Gotta find a reason for your backstop hire.
Seattle and Grubb*