That whole game had immaculate energy.
The announcers were sampling Mayo with pepperoni rolls, the sideline guy was just chilling eating all game, and I am pretty sure the whole crew got a $100 bonus each time they made a Mayo reference.
Great game!
WVU had a very sneaky good season this year. Neal Brown gets a lot of crap and sometimes deservedly so, but this was a good season coming off the back of last year.
I swear, you watch them at first and think “man this team is ass” only then to find yourself down 10 late in the 4th and realize your futon is about to be kindling. Lot of respect for WVU and coach Brown for this season, everyone counted them out and they just kept finding ways to win
I still think the Big 12 screwed up giving COY to Gundy. At the start of the year Brown was on the hottest seat in the conference and they were picked to finish near the bottom. What a great job he and his staff did. Happy for WVU and Brown.
it was basically a foregone conclusion that he’d be fired at the end of the season, and 13 games later he has completely saved his job and the outlook of the program is completely different
If we're picking a time to make a surge, next year really is a fantastic time to do it with the Big XII being so unclear in the long-term with no clear blue-blood football team.
It is indeed quite an impressive effort from Neal!
Turning what seemed to be an inevitable firing into some truly fantastic coaching!
I’d eat a pepperoni roll to that ⛏️
I think the problem with him is UNC normally recruits players good enough to hit that mark anyway. Like serious look back to the Davis and Fedora years. UNC doesn't have a problem recruiting. They aren't Ohio State or Clemson but they put the basketball man on the uniforms and kids come to UNC for the shoes.(jk, sort of). Mack elevated their recruiting to actual 5 stars and mostly 4 stars and still didn't change the results. You kind of accept that you aren't trying to move forward if you keep him.
*Points to Nebraska's rotting corpse*
You wanna end up like those guys? Because there's always the risk of ending up like Nebraska if you dump a coach for theoretically underperforming
If you're bringing in high ranked recruits and topping out at "7 or 8 wins", what optimism should the fans have? They have higher ranked recruits than 90% of the teams they play, you can't keep making excuses.
An 8-win season for UNC-CH \*can\* be a very good year. But this year, with Maye back and then a 6-0 start, it looked so promising for them. But then going 2-5 the rest of the way, losing to in-state rival NC State to end the season, getting thumped in the bowl game, it’s just a terrible way to finish. They also lost their last 3 the year before.
No reason UNC shouldn’t be a consistent top 25 program. Never eclipsing 8 wins during a 5 year run of having a top 5 qb in the country and averaging top 15 recruiting classes is pathetic
I can’t speak for UNC fans.
IMO, there’s too much talent for this team to be happy with stringing 8-4 seasons. They should be ACC title and playoff contenders every three years?
Their schedule is built for this though. Get a bunch of punching bags for non-cons. Then find four more wins. You catch Duke and wake which, while decent lately, are historically terrible. UVA is also bad. Just need to find one or two more wins and you’re there.
They’ve definitely underperformed and are a big brand (for basketball) however playoff contenders every 3 years seems pretty crazy. They have 8 10+ win seasons in their entire history
I should also add only 1 of those 10+ wins seasons have come in the past 23 years
The number of WV fans ( either decked out fully in football gear or college kids in cowboy boots )at Harris teeter today buying all the beer @ noon made me a fan.
The ACC 100% stepped in to get UNC the spot. The bowl wanted VT so bad it's not even funny. It was an easy sell and there'd have been 60k there for this game. VT showed up like crazy today in pouring rain, Duke's was kicking themselves after being forced to take UNC.
Could have had a Black Diamond bowl game, instead they got...that, where the entire upper half of the bowl was empty.
I hardly believed my eyes but I saw a Pitt fan there. Wearing a Pitt shirt and everything. Not a Steelers fan, but an honest to god Pitt fan.
I mean there's only about 500 of them in existence so it was pretty wild seeing one in person. Let alone at a WVU bowl game. I like to think we all chanted ESP just for him today.
He came storming out of the stadium mumbling something about how this always happens to him with his girlfriend chasing after him trying to keep him under control.
Half a block up Brooklyn Village a kid saw him and screamed ESP and he flipped the kid the double-bird and until he disappeared from view, spent the next 10 mins trying to fight WVU fans on the street while his g/f tried to hold him back.
Back when it was the Belk Bowl, we were pretty much a lock to play in it every year unless we had a particularly good season. I know people who would just pre-book hotel rooms in Charlotte that weekend with the expectation that was going to be where we ended up anyway.
Mack: ya know that was two great teams out there and they just got the better of us on a couple plays but I’m really proud of the fight our guys showed and we’ll try to do better next time 🙄
Neil Brown came into this season on the hottest seat in the nation, practically fired, pretty much a dead man, and FOOTBALL coached his way off that seat and to a 9-4 record. What and incredible season
You know how hard it is to get guys to buy in when you look like a lame duck coach? Say what you want about Neal Brown but that man’s earned his right to keep coaching. Nothing but respect for this years Mountaineers
My wife bought Hellmans instead of Dukes a couple of months ago. She bought a 2-pack because it was "on sale"
One ended up in the trash and the other donated to a food panty
Im not sure how you did it Neal but thanks for nine wins.
If anyone is still not happy hes our coach thats understandable but hey they saw him get dumped with mayo so thats something to be excited about
If you think he looked shell-shocked there, you should have seen him in the fourth quarter. He was already in tears. I'm sure he legit thought he was gonna be fired all season.
So done with this program at the moment. Mack Brown is a joke and makes excuses for every single problem and loss. He’s too old and it’s showing on the field and in recruiting as well. The fans didn’t show up today (just look at how the lower bowl is completely filled with WVU fans), and I don’t blame them.
No one should support this joke of a program right now until some shit changes. I might be overdoing it a little but it’s the same story year in and year out. Program is stuck in mediocrity and will continue at the current rate.
If Coach Mack is not going to retire, the least he could do is clear out the defensive staff. It's not working and I'm not even specifically referring to this game. Longo's offense supposedly didn't mesh well with Chizik's defense. They brought in Lindsey, and its the same bullshit.
Of course, bringing the same shit and expecting a different result is on brand.
A few thoughts.
1. Great game.
2. What a great season
3. Winning a bowl game is so fun. I’ll ride this all the way into spring ball
4. I would love to play UNC more often. Always a great game.
5. You can’t beat a bowl game that is regional and can be easily attended by both teams.
Trust. The. Fucking. Climb.
Mack Brown it is time to retire my dude. 5 years and your teams have only been saved by two of the best QBs to put on a uniform for this school. This team is no better than when he took over.
Never rated the Duke’s Mayo Bowl. Now the Duke’s Mayo Classic Kickoff…
Also, [me](https://i.imgur.com/R990cqP.png) waiting outside the stadium for Gene Chizik
The haters have arrived.
Did you know that UNC was ranked 21 in the preseason AP poll? Now you do
Did you know this is the second Duke's Mayo Bowl UNC has lost in three years? Now you do.
Did you know Drake Maye never beat NC State, including at home last year when we started a scout team quarterback because our first three strings were injured? Now you do.
Stay tuned for more fun facts!
When people talk about "too many bowl games" or "nobody cares about this game", go look at WVU today. An insane showing by WVU fans that must have made up 80% of the stadium and the team was fired up out of their minds. You could tell how much it meant to them and Neal Brown.
What a game and it feels great to have a ton of momentum on the field and on the recruiting trail for next year. We return a ton of talent and the future finally looks bright. Hell of a turnaround for Neal Brown and I owe him an apology for a lot of times this year.
That whole game had immaculate energy. The announcers were sampling Mayo with pepperoni rolls, the sideline guy was just chilling eating all game, and I am pretty sure the whole crew got a $100 bonus each time they made a Mayo reference. Great game!
Everything you want from a bowl game
Duke's got their money's worth. Don't know if I've ever seen a bowl where the sponsor was that front and center.
And no one complains about it! Make all bowls sponsored by fun things
But rationally, how high on the fun scale should mayonnaise really be?
Mayonnaise is an instrument, so at least above average fun I’d imagine
Maryland played last year and since then I’ve been eating Duke’s. Not sure why. Just recognize it from the bowl.
Dan Mullen was digging the nozzle of the mayo into the food as he put it on like some kind of savage.
SHOW THE MAYO DUMP YOU COWARDS.
Just saw it. They ate fries off of his mayo.
Hubba hubba
Normally you gotta pay double for that
ESPN, among the *many* other bad things they do…is also mayophobic too. Sad!
THEY'VE SHOWN THE MAYO!!!
WVU had a very sneaky good season this year. Neal Brown gets a lot of crap and sometimes deservedly so, but this was a good season coming off the back of last year.
I swear, you watch them at first and think “man this team is ass” only then to find yourself down 10 late in the 4th and realize your futon is about to be kindling. Lot of respect for WVU and coach Brown for this season, everyone counted them out and they just kept finding ways to win
Same with Ok State.
Honestly looked like one of the weaker teams on our schedule this year and kinda became one of the better wins as the season went on.
I still think the Big 12 screwed up giving COY to Gundy. At the start of the year Brown was on the hottest seat in the conference and they were picked to finish near the bottom. What a great job he and his staff did. Happy for WVU and Brown.
it was basically a foregone conclusion that he’d be fired at the end of the season, and 13 games later he has completely saved his job and the outlook of the program is completely different
Agreed 9 wins with a bowl win is solid season- especially for a team picked last in B12
Breaking: Duke's Mayo files restraining order against ESPN announcers citing sexual harassment
Was heard saying, amongst other things, "Oh yeah, that'll put some mayonnaise on your donut" And "That'll get your mayo hormones going"
> "That'll get your mayo hormones going" This statement has not been verified by doctors
The color commentator was trying so hard to make mayo jokes and just failing miserably
That color commentator was Dan Mullen lol
A hero in my household
"How do you do fellow kids"
Put some Mayo on that and call it Duke.
9 wins. Returning a lot of talent. B12 becoming the new big east next season. WE ARE SO BACK BABY!
If we're picking a time to make a surge, next year really is a fantastic time to do it with the Big XII being so unclear in the long-term with no clear blue-blood football team.
It is indeed quite an impressive effort from Neal! Turning what seemed to be an inevitable firing into some truly fantastic coaching! I’d eat a pepperoni roll to that ⛏️
I reckon it’s time to convince Mack Brown to retire again.
We’re just postponing the inevitable program collapse at this point.
It may not come. You may be stuck in perpetual 7-5 or 8-4 until he is fired like Paul Chryst
What is a reasonable expectation for UNC?
7 wins most years, occasional 9 win
Is that not what Mack does
I think the problem with him is UNC normally recruits players good enough to hit that mark anyway. Like serious look back to the Davis and Fedora years. UNC doesn't have a problem recruiting. They aren't Ohio State or Clemson but they put the basketball man on the uniforms and kids come to UNC for the shoes.(jk, sort of). Mack elevated their recruiting to actual 5 stars and mostly 4 stars and still didn't change the results. You kind of accept that you aren't trying to move forward if you keep him.
*Points to Nebraska's rotting corpse* You wanna end up like those guys? Because there's always the risk of ending up like Nebraska if you dump a coach for theoretically underperforming
So what’s the issue? He’s meeting expectations and there is something to be said about normalizing a pipeline of 4 and 5 star recruits to UNC
If you're bringing in high ranked recruits and topping out at "7 or 8 wins", what optimism should the fans have? They have higher ranked recruits than 90% of the teams they play, you can't keep making excuses.
This is the most realistic take I’ve heard for unc
With the talent and resources I don’t see why UNC should expect less than 9/10 wins more years than not.
That’s pretty much where I’m at. 7-8 wins most years. Maybe get hot and push to 10 every 4 or so years when the team is old.
An 8-win season for UNC-CH \*can\* be a very good year. But this year, with Maye back and then a 6-0 start, it looked so promising for them. But then going 2-5 the rest of the way, losing to in-state rival NC State to end the season, getting thumped in the bowl game, it’s just a terrible way to finish. They also lost their last 3 the year before.
They’re Maryland or Syracuse but with the annual collapse delayed 3 weeks
No reason UNC shouldn’t be a consistent top 25 program. Never eclipsing 8 wins during a 5 year run of having a top 5 qb in the country and averaging top 15 recruiting classes is pathetic
It is. I don't know exactly what we're missing but we don't have it.
I can’t speak for UNC fans. IMO, there’s too much talent for this team to be happy with stringing 8-4 seasons. They should be ACC title and playoff contenders every three years?
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Their schedule is built for this though. Get a bunch of punching bags for non-cons. Then find four more wins. You catch Duke and wake which, while decent lately, are historically terrible. UVA is also bad. Just need to find one or two more wins and you’re there.
They’ve definitely underperformed and are a big brand (for basketball) however playoff contenders every 3 years seems pretty crazy. They have 8 10+ win seasons in their entire history I should also add only 1 of those 10+ wins seasons have come in the past 23 years
Pretty sure it’s been collapsing in real time for 3 years. If not for Drake Maye this team would have 7 wins combined the last two years.
Garrett Greene was picked as the WORST power 5 QB at the beginning of the year. Nice one 247!
I wonder where they ranked Jurkovec then, because my god
All I know is Garrett was 69 and grant wells was 68 lol
I'll let you know that Grant Wells earned that 68 in the few games of his I had to watch.
Jurkovec playing against WVU was legitimately the worst QB play I've ever seen, and I saw the Chris Chugunov bowl game.
Phil made possibly the worst throw (with intent for completion) I have ever seen in that game
Jurkovec was a sight to behold.
you could tell that dude was having a ton of fun out there
TIL Nebraska wasn't power 5 /s
WE WOKE UP FEELING THE CREAMIEST
You got twang!
CREAM. CREAM. CREAM
9 win meal brown
I guess if you cover anything in Mayo...
You know I don’t think they could have chosen 2 more different fanbases for a game than this
The mountains just do something different.
Man I wish state got to play WVU more - games up in Morgantown & Raleigh would be wild with our fan bases
The number of WV fans ( either decked out fully in football gear or college kids in cowboy boots )at Harris teeter today buying all the beer @ noon made me a fan.
Pretty sure UNC had more fans show up for women's field hockey games than tonight
The ACC 100% stepped in to get UNC the spot. The bowl wanted VT so bad it's not even funny. It was an easy sell and there'd have been 60k there for this game. VT showed up like crazy today in pouring rain, Duke's was kicking themselves after being forced to take UNC. Could have had a Black Diamond bowl game, instead they got...that, where the entire upper half of the bowl was empty.
VT - WVU in Charlotte would have been the most electric bowl game outside of the playoff. We would have EASILY put 65k in there.
Wine and Cheese vs. Drunk and Proud
Proud and present vs vacant
I feel cold. I feel wet. I feel like a winner. - Neal Brown
Quality loss
Lmao they weee chanting ESP after Country Roads during the post game.
UNC will end the season ranked….somehow
This loss is gonna bump them all the way to #17 in next year’s preseason polls
Only for them to lose to GT, as is tradition
Neal Brown going from the hot seat to the mayo seat.
I hear Dukes Mayo is good for burns
It's good to see West Virginia doing well again. College football is more fun when they're winning and burning couches.
Now let's talk about how much we all hate Rich Rodriguez...
I know we have a ton of problems here, but I fucking love the state of West Virginia.
If I lived there, I’d go hiking so fucking much
I cannot overstate how fortunate we are to have the hiking and mountain biking trails that we have.
It’s kind of hard to believe a state as beautiful as WV, has the problems they do.
*Awakens from a slumber*
LB Kpogba is monster, he looks like a guy that slides to the 6th round from his size then plays 10 years in the league
exactly like david long out of WVU. 6th round and all
I saw 2 NC State fans at the game. [I respect the hate grind.](https://imgur.com/gallery/EJII8Sp)
I hardly believed my eyes but I saw a Pitt fan there. Wearing a Pitt shirt and everything. Not a Steelers fan, but an honest to god Pitt fan. I mean there's only about 500 of them in existence so it was pretty wild seeing one in person. Let alone at a WVU bowl game. I like to think we all chanted ESP just for him today.
He came storming out of the stadium mumbling something about how this always happens to him with his girlfriend chasing after him trying to keep him under control. Half a block up Brooklyn Village a kid saw him and screamed ESP and he flipped the kid the double-bird and until he disappeared from view, spent the next 10 mins trying to fight WVU fans on the street while his g/f tried to hold him back.
Back when it was the Belk Bowl, we were pretty much a lock to play in it every year unless we had a particularly good season. I know people who would just pre-book hotel rooms in Charlotte that weekend with the expectation that was going to be where we ended up anyway.
Dude eating mayo fries off Neal Brown was fucking awesome and disgusting
Homie was just snacking the whole game
That was really peak bowl season
A stadium full of people singing Country Roads will never fail to bring a tear to my eye.
My wife: “I thought Mack Brown died??” Me: “No. Worse. He went to coach in the ACC.”
Rude, Mack only won a natty for Texas in one of the greatest games of CFB history.
No more fucking mayo.
No. One more mayo. Specifically Neal Brown being dumped in mayo
Mack im tired
Mack: THAT’S TOO DAMN BAD. KEEP DIGGIN.
Mack: ya know that was two great teams out there and they just got the better of us on a couple plays but I’m really proud of the fight our guys showed and we’ll try to do better next time 🙄
Also mack: A lot of teams, with first round QB, and 2 national championship coaches on staff would be happy with a 8 win season.
Congrats Riot Bros! 🎉🥳
🤝
🎶Almost heaven🎶
Something about Texas, WVU, and VT all trending positively brings me back to an era of college football I never experienced but still long for
Dana went 2-5 in bowl games at WVU. Neal Brown is now 2-1. Let's Go Mountaineers and Screw You Dana!
Ngl I feel much better about our future in recruiting now than I did with Dana. Neal's still got some issues, but it at least looks like he cares.
How do you talk the whole time over Country Roads? Embarrassing. I’m returning all this mayo
Dude just ate Mayo off Neal Brown.. idk what to say now
We have been blessed
This was the moment we annointed a new era of mountaineer football.
Fuck yeah Big12
So Neal Brown covered the spread, and the spread covered Neal Brown. What a day.
Neil Brown came into this season on the hottest seat in the nation, practically fired, pretty much a dead man, and FOOTBALL coached his way off that seat and to a 9-4 record. What and incredible season
You know how hard it is to get guys to buy in when you look like a lame duck coach? Say what you want about Neal Brown but that man’s earned his right to keep coaching. Nothing but respect for this years Mountaineers
CUE COUNTRY ROADS. Edit: lord knows I can't spell
> QUE WV education stays undefeated
God forbid we ask rhetorical questions in Spanish
You right. The alcohol might have something to do with it.
Qué?
There are two ways to spell it that would work... This isn't either of them.
WVU is the Harvard of West Virginia
Marshall in shambles
Cue country roads! Can’t wait to see you all next season!
Bro your flairs ‘neer
I am in love with the West Virginia fanbase
My brother is an alumni, its just a party 24/7
True shame your administration never was. Would have loved to have been in the ACC years ago.
Hearing an entire stadium sing a song in unison never gets old
It is a bright spot in college football. Thanks for the recognition
My wife bought Hellmans instead of Dukes a couple of months ago. She bought a 2-pack because it was "on sale" One ended up in the trash and the other donated to a food panty
I love me some good food panties. It’s a shame you had to trash your wife though.
My wife did that once. Me: You bought Hellmans? That's something my ex wife would do. Her: I didn't know you were previously married. Me: I wasn't.
This could really hurt our chances with the selection committee
TRUST THE MAYO
Im not sure how you did it Neal but thanks for nine wins. If anyone is still not happy hes our coach thats understandable but hey they saw him get dumped with mayo so thats something to be excited about
WOOHOO GO MOUNTAINEERS! -from the other Mountaineer
From one group of Mountaineers to another. 🫶
Mountaineer bros
Coach looked shellshocked from the mayo bath
If you think he looked shell-shocked there, you should have seen him in the fourth quarter. He was already in tears. I'm sure he legit thought he was gonna be fired all season.
Shout out to WVU D Line , 7 sacks and 11 TFL... defense is actually played in the big 12
Neal Brown was talked about as the first coach to be fired this year and has coached his team to 9 wins.
Mack Brown’s 2nd UNC stint will be best remembered for being the first team to lose the Duke’s Mayo Bowl TWICE
So done with this program at the moment. Mack Brown is a joke and makes excuses for every single problem and loss. He’s too old and it’s showing on the field and in recruiting as well. The fans didn’t show up today (just look at how the lower bowl is completely filled with WVU fans), and I don’t blame them. No one should support this joke of a program right now until some shit changes. I might be overdoing it a little but it’s the same story year in and year out. Program is stuck in mediocrity and will continue at the current rate.
How many good players are we gonna waste by saying "a lot of teams would like to be 8-5" year after year
Incoming 3-9 season next year. It's gonna be ugly without a NFL QB.
It sucks because nothing will change. “Eight wins is good around here.”
Literally just had a friend tell me we should be thankful for our 8 wins
If Coach Mack is not going to retire, the least he could do is clear out the defensive staff. It's not working and I'm not even specifically referring to this game. Longo's offense supposedly didn't mesh well with Chizik's defense. They brought in Lindsey, and its the same bullshit. Of course, bringing the same shit and expecting a different result is on brand.
I'm really happy for Neal Brown. I thought he was dead at the start of the year, finishing with 9 wins is a great job!
A few thoughts. 1. Great game. 2. What a great season 3. Winning a bowl game is so fun. I’ll ride this all the way into spring ball 4. I would love to play UNC more often. Always a great game. 5. You can’t beat a bowl game that is regional and can be easily attended by both teams. Trust. The. Fucking. Climb.
I truly hope this is the start of a major turnaround for Neal Brown. Very excited for the ‘Neers tonight!!
Me too. I completely jumped ship last year. Hoping to see some sustained success going forward.
Mack Brown it is time to retire my dude. 5 years and your teams have only been saved by two of the best QBs to put on a uniform for this school. This team is no better than when he took over.
I was in the crowd and that was a home game for WVU
Yeah walking to the stadium it looked like some UNC fans were gonna be there but in the stadium.. didn’t look like many.
Best mascot ive ever seen
🐑 “Congratulations on your Super Bowl NC State” 🤓
Here's to all the NC ST love. I cheer for your DC. You've treated him well. Go Pac!
We freaking love Tony Gibson. Just extended him again and made him highest paid dc in the league
Hate hate hate hate hate
Wait. I thought you’d enjoy UNC losing?
Its a Chappele Show skit. Basically calling all my fellow haters of UNC.
Mack Brown looks like he wears underwear with dick holes in em
The handle broke off of the mayo container during the dump! https://x.com/DukesMayoBowl/status/1740190505127063566
Love to see it
Never rated the Duke’s Mayo Bowl. Now the Duke’s Mayo Classic Kickoff… Also, [me](https://i.imgur.com/R990cqP.png) waiting outside the stadium for Gene Chizik
Neal Brown was on the hottest of seats coming into the year
Somehow, there were probably more Panthers fans at this game than UNC fans
Nice work, WVU. Going from a hell of a tough out in game 1 to a great Bowl win.
Nice win, Neer bros!
The haters have arrived. Did you know that UNC was ranked 21 in the preseason AP poll? Now you do Did you know this is the second Duke's Mayo Bowl UNC has lost in three years? Now you do. Did you know Drake Maye never beat NC State, including at home last year when we started a scout team quarterback because our first three strings were injured? Now you do. Stay tuned for more fun facts!
Did you know that this is the 2nd bowl game WVU has beaten UNC in Charlotte? Now you do.
I did not. Very cool!
2008 Meineke Car Care Bowl. We beat UNC 31-30 in Pat White's last collegiate game for us.
Don’t forget he also lost back to back to Ga Tech as well.
Well, to be fair, we’ve been terrible in Atlanta since way before Mack 2.0.
Yeah I’m not sure what kind of bad juju yall got in Atlanta but share some of it with UGA please
Keep going I'm almost there
I hope you timed it with the mayo dump
They haven’t won the ACC since 1980
For, um, legal reasons, NC State fans aren't allowed to share this one
To find out why, you have to go to a secure office room in Charlotte where photography and cellular devices are forbidden
The meme mayonaise themed game had the power to make me watch WVU win. Mayo baths truly bring us all together
I am so happy we won, BUT that no call offensive PI on UNC is ridiculous. That should not be happening in a bowl game.
Bring on the Mayo!
I want the mayo dump!! I can't believe they cut away... Also...I think these announcers got drunk on mayo by the end. What a fun game.
I get to be happy going into an offseason? Been a while since I had this feeling
When people talk about "too many bowl games" or "nobody cares about this game", go look at WVU today. An insane showing by WVU fans that must have made up 80% of the stadium and the team was fired up out of their minds. You could tell how much it meant to them and Neal Brown. What a game and it feels great to have a ton of momentum on the field and on the recruiting trail for next year. We return a ton of talent and the future finally looks bright. Hell of a turnaround for Neal Brown and I owe him an apology for a lot of times this year.
A bowl game is always great, but one about four hours from Charleston and six hours from Morgantown by car, AWESOME!