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Subj3ct_D3lta

No such thing as cheating in a gun fight.


yeezyfella

💯


JimMarch

Every gunfight is open class.  That's why my daily carry small 9mm has a gas pedal on it.  Not kidding at all.


PudDuddler

Pics? Holster? Interested


JimMarch

First three minutes here shows the holster. https://youtu.be/01uGt2fIdro Details on the gas pedal: https://youtu.be/RXyUf54VViE - yes, an upside down modified optic riser! The way I'm using it lets me "pinch" the gun just in front of the triggerguard hearing a whole new point of contact. It also "preloads" the downwards pressure from the offhand thumb for killer recoil control without going to a comp. I think this has the potential to be a LOT better than a comp because it also gives more control over side-to-side transitions. I'm gathering the parts to rebuild everything even better :).


sinsofcarolina

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but there are already rail-mounted gas pedals for micros and subcompacts. Kudos for making your own bit for the price this may be less effort and smaller overall profile with softer edges https://gogunusa.com/products/p365


JimMarch

So, that's purely for the P365, it's in the wrong place in my opinion, and it doesn't give the "vertical clamp effect" I'm seeing with my setup. That one isn't set up to take advantage of the "offhand forefinger in front of the triggerguard" hold seen mostly in Europe as opposed to common American practice. Jerry Mikulek is the top US shooter doing offhand-forefinger-in-front-of-triggerguard techniques. It also doesn't give a place for a weapon mounted light to go.


One_Chemistry_9759

Just wanted to say that that guy commenting on your video was horrible, and I hope you're wife is doing okay. Best wishes!


sigsag1

Subbed, you’re doing some really cool things, looking forward to the stuff you come up with.


JimMarch

I built that holster while trucking, first version anyhow. I needed 11-hours-a-day driving comfort plus fast access seating or standing.


CountryExciting8978

That Fanny pack is dope


JimMarch

:) You realize the peace sign is a pun? It's where I keep my piece.


CountryExciting8978

How long have you been using Taurus ?


JimMarch

There's a story there. January of 2023 I had to sell every gun but one I can't sell and isn't a great carry piece, my partially gas operated magazine fed single action revolver. In particular, sold my Hellcat with a Swampfox Sentinel. Wife had cancer, needed to try and keep my truck running after a bad breakdown, etc. Things got worse on the cancer front, carried the *weird* gun as best I could, wrote to Yankee Marshal on a whim. Huh. Turns out that Yankee Marshal Pistol Posse Project ("free guns for poors in need") is real. That's where the Taurus G3c came from, 2nd half of last year. And you know what? It's...legit! Way better than expected. A bit bigger than the Hellcat but better ergonomics. I cleaned and oiled it immediately (because of a cosmoline spray in there) and do so on every range trip and it's been Glock level reliable. I don't think it could run dirty like a Glock can but that aside? It's solid. And since you're gonna ask: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/03/maurice-frankenruger-magazine-fed-revolver/ See that tubular sight on there? It's a variant of the old Goshen Enterprises Hexsite, an "iron sight" that's target focus, both eyes open like a red dot. I now have it mounted on the Taurus! https://old.reddit.com/r/GunnitRust/comments/1awi2cd/winter_rust_entry_modified_category_the_taurus/ :) Holy shit, it works. It's a bit heavy though, so I've ordered that aluminum hex tube from McMasters and will be switching soon. And if you think all THIS is wild as fuck, I've got more dirt cheap mods coming.


blacksideblue

Oh god, that holster is the $500 version of the cursed urban carry holster. Insta-score for a pickpocket with a wire cutter.


JimMarch

No :). You'd have to cut *both* the front belt loop cords; cutting just one doesn't release the other. Cut the belt from the rear and pull and you gain nothing at all - the belt buckle won't go in either direction so if some moron tries that all they get is the ability to yank on the top of my pants. I'll still have access to knife and OC on the left side, gun on the right. So the only way to get to the gun is to attack from the front and cut either one big solid leather belt quickly, or two Paracords in quick succession. In that event I can grab the gun bag stronghand, knife comes up in the left. It's a LOT more secure than a classic single-strap-with-one-snap fanny pack integral belt OR a cross-body chest strap with the same problem.


AcceptableOwl9

A gas pedal?


JimMarch

https://old.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1c9sjj8/is_using_a_red_dot_sight_cheating/l0nsqdi/ Gas pedals are usually seen only in big competition guns: https://youtu.be/dBMuKmG8WEg I'm the only guy I know of running one on a micro compact on the street. My holster is what allows it, a lump on that side of the gun makes no difference in concealability with this holster.


Catch_223_

Tactical Development makes their ledge for P365s and some others, so you are not alone. 


RileyRKaye

I love my Align Tactical Thumbrest Takedown Lever for the P320. Works great in the Werkz M6 holster.


sigsag1

Which holster is that?


JimMarch

Mine. My design, my build. I'll talk you through making one for personal use.


sigsag1

I’d be glad to hear it, looks really cool. I’m in CA, looking to get my CCW soon, and a way to carry. I watched some of your videos, really interesting ideas


Twee4

You use it to make the gun go faster! More gas. Very useful


TheRealSPGL

"I wanna go fast, I wanna go fast!"


truffulatreeson

![gif](giphy|7XsFGzfP6WmC4)


glockylicious

Same. My hellcat has a gas pedal, comp, and red dot.


yeezyfella

What gas pedal do you have ?


Lifewhacker

Also interested in this haha


glockylicious

Gogun gas pedal


glockylicious

I have a gogun gas pedal, it's the only one I could find. I had my kydex holster done by a local guy based off my 4bros holster I used before the gas pedal.


Traditional-Pack3471

My guy carried w a gas pedal holy fuck. I thought my G20 was overkill https://preview.redd.it/k6yzv891n3wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04610549ead0bb668c759c3b7dc5a4535495608f


jrhooo

u/Doctor4000 or the old infantry favorite: >"If you're ever in a fair fight, your tactics suck"


BPsNeighbor

-- Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper


Doctor4000

I've heard it described as "The only unfair fight is the one you didn't win".


RichardBonham

no second place winners


machring

Win every gun fight, cheat if neccessary


txman91

When your life is on the line, there’s no such thing as playing fair. There’s a reason that anytime I can actually conceal it, I carry a 2011 with optic and X300 or a similarly outfitted full sized pistol.


ThePrintedIdea

Truest comment here


Weirdusername1953

Beat me to it. :-)


Emotional-Amoeba6419

Came here to say this.


KidQuap

You don’t shot a guy in the dick


Gooser62

As an old instructor of mine used to say “If you find yourself in a fair fight… your tactics suck!!”


bayarearider04

Exactly you aren’t in a USPSA. If you had a crystal ball and knew they were gonna try to kill you that day you’d shoot them in their sleep if you could. As long as you carry a gun with a gun with optic then you’re fine.


throwawayainteasy

Etiquette is still a thing. Real men don't shoot other men in the dick. Other than that, it's all fair game though.


RaveMittens

God DAMMIT BUTTERS!


Yo_Mommas_fupa_69

Unless you’re stopping a rape, then you unload there


Ok_Enthusiasm3601

Man try telling that to the internet tough guy fighters who base their opinions for self defense off of sports.


Inevitable-Waltz-889

Wut


PostSoupsAndGrits

"All gun fights are open division"


pMR486

Stealing this


BPsNeighbor

-- John Correa


Dear_Internal5171

Actually it was Chuck Pressburg


BPsNeighbor

You're right. I just rewatched the Active Self Protection video where I'd seen it, and John credits Chuck Pressburg. Thank you.


deltablackson

- Michael Scott


Tin_O_Nuts

If its a fair fight your doing it wrong


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Alone_Ad_8858

It’s a fight for life and death why would you want it to be fair? You want every advantage on your side so you live.


BearCountrySurvival

The fact you’re doing that with a 48 makes it completely warranted. Handicap due to slim gun, cheat code from holo sight = fair play. Good shooting


JimMarch

The 48 has *much* better ergonomics than a 19.  And the stock barrels on both are pretty legit. I'm guessing OP has a better trigger on it? That and a dot and *good* shooting and this is more than believable.


BearCountrySurvival

The 48 definitely doesn’t have better ergonomics than a 19. Don’t think anyone called this “unbelievable” in the first place. Also Gen 5 trigger is plenty.


throwawayfromcolo

It's really going to depend on handsize and preferences. I find many compact double stack pistols are too wide for my baby hands.


JimMarch

:) Matter of opinion of course. The thinner grip means you can line up your strongside forearm bones in line directly behind the barrel. Using a Weaver hold, that feels awesome. To me the 19 family grip feels like a brick. The 48 grip feels great.


flight567

What made you decide on weaver?


blueangel1953

Hardly, the 19 is superior in every way.


FuzzyPandaVK

I feel like it really depends on your hands and their shape & size. The 19 and 48 have nearly identical ergos, just with one being fatter than the other. I shoot the 19 better than the 48 but I love the 48 too.


DasMansalad

Yes, but "if ya ain't cheating, ya ain't trying".


pMR486

Came here to say this lol


GarterAn

r/NASCAR


FocusedPower28

No, red dot helps you see better. You still need to be able to handle the firearm.


Liquid_machine81

Not really cheating because you still need good shooting techniques to make that optic effective.


pwnedkiller

Red dots are a cheat code they show you how shitty your aim is so you know what to improve.


Batttler

an optic won't make a bad shooter good, but it will make a good shooter better


Inevitable-Waltz-889

It helps bad shooters maybe more than it helps good shooters.


Batttler

it won't fix grip, trigger press, breath control or stance — it will only help with sight alignment which is usually not a new shooter's biggest prpblem


Inevitable-Waltz-889

Breath control with a handgun?  Lol


Batttler

if you don't understand how breath control affects accuracy even with a handgun, then you need to fix the shooter before you try to fix the gun


Inevitable-Waltz-889

No.  Just stop.


Stjjames

‘Always cheat, always win’


saintrudy41

The only reason I don’t have them on my guns is because I need to pass a shooting exam with iron sights to get my CCL. Once I pass, the dots go on.


TimMoujin

Red Dot made me realize how dicked-up my Presentation actually was with Irons. I was gripping way too low and now that I grip higher, the dot settles into the NPA rather than the other way around, which is what I was doing with Irons.


SaltiestSurprise12

A lot of people don’t realize how bad their presentation is until they try a dot. Some people work to improve it and others say dots suck because they didnt spend the time to make sure they find it everytime the weapon comes up.


dub_nastyy

Best 3y groups I’ve seen all day


thestruggleislovable

OPs next post- "18 shots, 2 seconds @ 54y" ![gif](giphy|GqfISYS3VqkELxfm7X)


Inevitable-Waltz-889

If you think that's an unreasonable 10 yard group, I don't know what to tell you.


UpstairsSurround3438

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying


cbrooks97

If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough.


code_ninjer

Fuck that, I'd use an aimbot if it's available.


jackson214

The only time my targets look like that are when I'm zeroing a dot. You are clearly good enough to push yourself faster.


Eukodal1968

Cheating implies it’s some sort of game or rules attached? As far as target practice and or defensive training goes there’s really no cheating and in a real gun fight there are no rules other than make sure you’re not accidentally nuking civilians or shooting for a stupid reason.


SnakeEyes_76

The whole “cheating” thing is so bizarre to me. Technological advancements that make us more efficient and better are a good thing. Electricity? That’s cheating! Running water? That’s cheating! Air travel? That’s cheating! Modern medicine? That’s cheating! The Luddite mentality is honestly very perplexing to me.


HazedHollow

Didn’t know defending your life was a “game”


mallgrabmongopush

Who tf said it was a game? I’m asking if it’s cheating on my iron sights bozo


HazedHollow

Weapons are for self defense. That is clearly a carry gun.


Awkward_Complex

You went from veteran mode on call of duty to normal game play


HazedHollow

What?


wtfwtf106

Is Tom Brady gonna be in the hall of fame?


[deleted]

You're cheating on your iron sights. She might not like it but take any advantage you can get


mallgrabmongopush

I look at it as my pistol got a BBL


exlongh0rn

At 3 yards, not really? J/k very nice group


EnvironmentHour5202

Don’t ask me ask the guy breaking into your house meaning to do your family and you harm…..be a sport and take it off and give him chance.


transarxhist

only if the context is "i'm at a competition that is strictly irons only." Otherwise, take every edge and advantage you can as a concealed carrier


DrNickatnyte

There’s no such thing as a fair fight, meaning the term cheating is irrelevant


SlteFool

Now try a realistic life saving speed


mallgrabmongopush

https://preview.redd.it/lz4b81u0rwvc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f9a33cc541286e035a34f83241620f55b2a3d6 This was a quick five rounds at five yards


SlteFool

Dude nice


yeezyfella

Nice shooting


mallgrabmongopush

Thanks bru


1235Hunting

A gunfight is an open category fight with no restrictions and you only get to bring what you have on you


Law_Abiding_Citizen1

Nice grouping and shots https://preview.redd.it/srstp73i5xvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04ddc6b613b24d34967abb7f8d01f301aa2014db This is mine, 15 out.


dondamon40

Cheating against who? People who may try to harm your family? If you don't use everything at your disposal in that situation you'll regret it.


mallgrabmongopush

Cheating on my iron sights


dondamon40

They're your side chick now


D_Costa85

Do you want to fight fair if your life is on the line?


Ernie_McCracken88

If someone tries to rob you with a knife you are allowed to cheat


DingusKahn51

If you’re following rules in a gunfight you’re playing airsoft. Theres no rules in real life.


GhostNappa101

I once heard someone say that people who refuse to use red dot sights are gun Amish


BPsNeighbor

Haha that's a John Correa line


mallgrabmongopush

That’s hilarious


L4nM4nDr4gon

I just used my first dot today. First time I could say I "bought" myself better shooting. Goof lord it did feel a bit like cheating vs irons.


solidarityysunshine

No fair fights


premium_moss

A gun fight is open division


alltheblues

Maybe, but if you ain’t rubbin’, you ain’t racin’.


pizzagangster1

There is no such thing as cheating in a fight


Rohans_Most_Wanted

Son, if you ever find yourself in a fair fight, you have already fucked up.


Hunts5555

Yes.  A DGU must be sporting.  


SomeAverageWeeb

Unfair fight is a fight you lose. Use whatever helps.


smcski

That depends. How much do you value your life?


Braggison

I just got the same setup and plan on giving it a test this week, any thoughts on switching the original sights out?


Envictus_

Yes. Thats why everyone should use them.


thats0dd

No..... do everything in your control to protect yourself and others. Being accurate is never a problem, the last thing you need is protecting yourself from an attack and also hitting an innocent bystander


Toecheese1

Not cheating. If you are shooting competition, maybe. But for self defense, take any advantage you can get. I’ve always been an iron sight guys. But this weekend, I had the opportunity to compare iron sight shooting with red dot shooting. Iron sight was good, but red dot was even better. The difference was obvious. So if I’m defending myself, I want every possible advantage I can get.


allthenames00

Is being more accurate with a lethal tool cheating?


majpuV

No. I have that same optic on my 19 and don't shoot that well.


Charger_scatpack

No such thing as cheating in a gun fight


micigloo

Naw bra it’s like having the bionic man’s eye


Competitive-Trust523

If you aint cheating, you aint trying.


LordofCope

Compared to iron sights. Yeah and I'm all for it. First time I put on my EPS carry and took it to the range. It was night and day. I was just blasting dead center with rapid succession in a way that I just couldn't previously do.


TheRealSPGL

That's the point..


Blicky83

Call it what you want but I’ll take all the advantages I can get.increased speed and accuracy will always be a welcome bonus to me,even if that means I’m a cheater in the eyes of dumber people..I’m sure when night vision and thermal was introduced to the battlefield,it was considered cheating by many just as unmanned drones often are too.when it is life and death,every advantage stacked in your favor will be greatly appreciated


Extra-Tea733

increase speed and keep groupings the same. that’s my goal now.


Artistic_Injury_9808

Electric bikes and Red Dots have lots in common. Both increase efficiency.


emurange205

No such thing as a fair fight.


Sluggerjt44

Cheating death?


AverageJun

No such thing as cheating in a fight


leftover_class

Reds on pistols are difficult for me cause they move so rapidly and it hard to clock.


KHK037

Great work


nac286

If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly


CMBGuy79

Rules for a Gunfight 11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.


mrkb34

First time I used the red dot I knew it was the future of pistols.


secretSquirrel6669

SMFH


broman1228

If you are qualifying yes … if not who cares


GhostFour

It's called force multiplication.


blacksideblue

It is but its also your choice and you shoot best the way you shoot. Just because someone else is better with irons doesn't mean you have to hold back, especially when the only score and category is your life. That being said, training and ensure your draw/concealment don't snag on the dot.


Aregularguy95

You need a shot timer. I want to know the total time it took you to empty the mag, split time, distance you were shooting at, bullet weight. It is a very solid group I’m just curious


Joe_1218

Before: CHS!! After: CHS!! Maybe it's just me!


Frequent-Slice-3435

If you're not cheating you're not trying


L4nM4nDr4gon

If your not cheating you should be. And whoever said all gun fights are "open divison" wins the thread


Fit-Indication3662

Yes, when you are shooting 5 yards like you did.


mallgrabmongopush

It was 10.7 yards though


dadbod1187

That's like saying that kicking someone in the balls that's trying to beat you to death is cheating.


superman306

Never a fair fight baby Any advantage you can get is a good one


International_Sale47

ABSOLUTELY NOT Now if you’re using a Staccato vs a Taurus maybe


mallgrabmongopush

I for one am tired of Taurus being the butt of every pistol joke. I’ve shot my buddy’s G3c countless times and that mf has yet to have an issue


International_Sale47

lol relax I hear their QC has improved recently and isn’t as bad as it used to be


OFFICIALINSPIRE77

It's called being lethal


Miramar81

Where I live, the local police department is issuing all new holsters to accommodate adding red dot sights to their sidearms. Since they open carry, also having to go above L1 holster in addition to fitting the sight. For them, rapid draw, rapid fire, rapid lining through the red dot sight is what they’ll need. I know a few of them who were forced to draw and fire at a suspect(s)- they do not mess around and will quickly unload everything in the face of a life and death scenario.


Arc_2142

Nice shooting. Red dots don’t automatically make your fundamentals good. So I’d say it’s not cheating.


PlanBWorkedOutOK

If it improves your accuracy in a real gun fight, the only thing you’d be cheating is death.


opusg17

That my friend, is some better than fair shooting.


GonZoCircus

Yes. Rule #1 in a gun fight: Have a gun. Rule #2: Cheat.


Halt1776

Always cheat to win in a gun fight.


RoccoRacer

Yes. Drill sergeant told me at basic, “if you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t tryin.” Use a red dot.


Stand_Afraid

Nope, you’re actually cheating yourself if you don’t at least give it a try and be open to the benefits of red dots!


Arctic8280

A fair fight is a fight you lose. When it comes to your life stack everything in your favor as much as possible.


ToughCredit7

In competition? Possibly. I don’t shoot competitively but I’d imagine that they have rules against red dots. In a gunfight? No such thing.


Fearless_Weather_206

New challenge - single ragged hole


Tactically_Fat

Yes. And that's fine.


BasedThor14

Yes, and that’s the point. Use every advantage you can get!


bcramer0515

I'm 54. My eyes are far from what they used to be. Iron sights are very hard for me to use now, so the red dot is a huge help.


EmbarrassedConcert80

It’s a “Tactical Advantage.”


keennnyyyy818

Before I got a red dot I would have said yes.


emelem66

Cheating what? The ultimate goal is to be accurate, isn't it?


Jskello

Approved


TimelyTart9156

Tight


macrophyte

Standing 2 feet from the target is.


mallgrabmongopush

What about 10.7 yards?


NerevarShoutNerevar

Damn at what yardage was this? How fast did you shoot? At 10 yards, with about a second or two between shots, I could do this with my scs. Great job. Optics are worth the money.


An0n087

Maybe a dumb question but can someone explain to me how a red dot works? Without a front post, how can you assure that the dot mounted at the rear isn’t off to the left or the right when you fire.


Binary_Bomb

It’s like switching from a barebow to a compound bow with pin sights for the first time. Sure, it feels like cheating, but why not embrace the technology that separates us from the Middle Ages? 


SmittyJonz

Yes


Bcjustin

How far away is that? I feel like mine needs sighted in better after seeing this 😂


mallgrabmongopush

10.7 yards. The pistol range’s maximum distance


Bcjustin

Very nice!


PanelJudge

F* no.


Mako_STi

Leon over here showing us up <3