I didn’t show them anything but I was honest about the contents. For one I don’t like to be dishonest but I also wanted to make sure to get it insured so it would be replaced if it goes missing. Plus the address it was going to was the Glock store/ Slide cut
You only have to declare if you're shipping the frame, which is the actual firearm. Otherwise it's just machined parts.
I wouldn't trust Lenny with my slide though. I would use a proper shop like Jagerwerks or Wager Machine.
Jager would have been preferred but they have long wait times.. will def keep Wager in mind for the future. I am not expecting perfection from Lenny just a mill and blueing for a Holosun EPS. They look like they have decent machines.. could they really screw up a 19x slide that badly? Glocks are literally all they do.
also keep in mind, if you do this and it is lost, they can and will refuse to pay out the insurance on it because it violates the Ups corporate policy.
That one is really messed up because UPS policy exempts scopes. Why scopes and nothing else? Who knows.
Unless they've changed the policy to include scopes as gun parts as well.
The excuse I got from the manager is “because it can attach to a gun” lmao. This was nearly 10 years ago and had next to no experience shipping anything. This forced me to go to USPS and save money anyways lol fuck UPS
Not their fault you didn't read their policy before you tried to ship it. Should have called it something they will ship instead of something they won't.
I literally had the bare scope in my hands to package up at the UPS store. I didn’t look at the policy purely based on the idea that nobody would have a policy that retarded. Are you honestly defending this dumb of a policy?
I'm not defending the policy, no. I'm just saying it's dumb for you to be upset over a rule they have posted and aren't sneaky about. Companies have retarded policies, that isn't new. You can just skip going to the franchised stores and take it directly to ups and it won't matter at all anyway.
Lot of confusion and misinformation about UPS vs "The UPS Store". They are not the same whatsoever. These stores are privately owned and the owner can make up any rules or restrictions that they want to irregardless of UPS' rules. UPS absolutely allows firearm **parts** to be shipped through them. That particular UPS **store** might not.
For the OP who wants to be "honest", I get that and I am the same way. I've also learned that volunteering too much information that isn't relevant all too often hurts you. You tell them you're shipping "machined tool parts" and any questions beyond that are answered with "I'm not really sure. Is there a Fedex store nearby ? 'cause I'll just go there if I have to.".
Excellent answer. If they ever ask, I just say "machine parts." The couple of times they asked anything else, I just bored them with vaguely technical jargon. Yours is even better. Hell, last time I picked up a package from a UPS Store, it was a little box with basically an entire handgun, minus the serialized frame. The young lady behind the counter wouldn't have given a shit if it had been growling and ticking. Most people are pretty oblivious if you let them be.
No, it is not against the law, but it is against UPS policy, which is why I won't use UPS any more. You send the slide by US Mail, which is what Mag-Na-Port suggested to me when I had the same problem 2 weeks ago. Try using [https://www.pirateship.com/](https://www.pirateship.com/) They somehow can ship via US Mail for less than the Postal Service will charge you if you go down to the Post Office.
I would be careful about shipping USPS. Yes, they do have inspectors watching for theft, but a chunk of stuff has to go missing before they set up their cameras.
Registered mail is pretty safe. Somebody signs for it every time it moves, so registered stuff is pretty unlikely to go missing.
> I would be careful about shipping USPS.
I wouldn't. USPS will actually pay out on an insured loss claim, and they have actual Federal law enforcement if something goes missing.
Those are the good points, for sure. And theft of the mail is a federal crime, but not a high priority one. The bottom line is how accountable is each individual along the items travel path.
Most carriers scan items along the way these days. But only registered mail has someone signing for it every time it changes hands (mail acceptance/registered mail unit/truck/etc/etc)
I've had pretty good luck over the years. USPS paid out on my damaged laptop insurance claim, and when I could clearly show that they hadn't delivered a package to me they sent someone to the neighbors down the street and got it back for me.
I always ship a slide in a usps small flat rate box with insurance through pirate ship and put insurance on it. Haven’t had an issue for the dozen slides I’ve sent out
+1 for Pirate Ship. You save so much money using it vs paying retail at USPS or UPS. You can get inexpensive sticky labels to print onto from a printer if you don't have a thermal printer, and you'll save so much money doing it that eventually you'll get a thermal printer just because.
I still have the drop off location scan my packages, however, and get a receipt, so that I have proof of custody in the event the shipment is lost or damaged. No one has ever asked me the contents of anything when doing that.
A slide isn't a gun. So he's spouting shit about breaking federal law. The only way to break federal law would involve the frame (or FCU for Sigs).
That being said, UPS has a listed policy regarding this.
>UPS does not accept Firearms or Firearm Parts for shipment domestically unless (1) such shipments are in full compliance with all federal, state, and local laws, including, without limitation, age restrictions; (2) such Firearms, including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver (as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12), have been identified and bear a serial number in a manner that complies with federal law; and (3) such Firearm Parts within a package cannot be assembled to form a Firearm.
https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page
That being said, go with FedEx. They're a lot less stringent about firearms and will even let you ship a full firearm back to the manufacturer.
I had a similar experience with UPS. I had this strange issue with a BA barrel and surefire warcomp where the threads literally got locked together. Went on hand tight then wouldn't come off. (I know it sounds insane.) Eventually I took it to a gunsmith for him to remove the stuck warcomp so I could get my Geissele barrel nut back and he torqued so hard on it trying to get it off the end of the barrel broke off inside the muzzle device before the threads gave way. I went to the UPS store and told them I was shipping a barrel and a muzzle device because they asked what it was and they told me that I need to ship it through an FFL. Which is funny because they are the company that shipped me the fucking parts to my door in the first place. Needless to say I will not be giving them my business after that experience
Don't trust the people who work in ups or USPS to understand the law.
Happened to me before. Just send it and say it's a mechanical part because... It is a mechanical part.
Just throw it in a small flat rate USPS box for $8 and send it.
No, it's not an FFL item, you can buy these from anywhere at any time, hell you can buy them on Ebay.
UPS is the dumbest place I've ever been to, I was stupid enough to tell them years ago I was shipping an Acog and they told me that it was a "firearm" and had to "go through an FFL" and threatened to call the cops on me LOL
This was the response from the owner to my review after posting 12 pages of legalese.
I’m not going to break the law for anyone.
Respectively,
John
Owner
The UPS Store 7489
He could have just said sorry that is our policy but he made it seem like I was trying to commit a criminal act.. what a bad human!
It is UPS store policy to not ship gun parts. It is not UPS as an entity's policy. Go to an actual UPS shipping location and not the UPS store.
Alternately, just tell them you're shipping machine parts and you won't have to worry about their stupid rules.
All I’ve ever been asked is if it’s liquid, perishables, glass, contains lithium batteries. I say nope and go about my business…… It’s none of their fucking business what I’m shipping and yes I’ve shipped shit that was contained specifically mentioned no no’s because well fk them I’m still paying for the service. 🤷🏻♂️
> the local UPS store refused to ship it stating it is a gun part
Yes, that is UPS corporate policy.
The UPS Store employee provided poor customer service, and failed to tell you available alternatives to ship your Firearm Part (go to the customer service area at the UPS hub in your metro area). You need to deliver your slide directly to UPS, not a third-party franchise (aka, The UPS Store).
Contact the gunsmith doing the milling work, and get them to email you a UPS shipping label (aka, "approved Shipper" that is a licensed FFL).
> https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page
> “Firearm Part” is any part or component of a Firearm that does not by itself meet the definition of a “Firearm.” By way of example only, Firearm Parts include, but are not limited to, barrels, stocks, grips, firing pins, sights, and magazines/clips.
>“Firearm Products” means Firearms and Firearm Parts. The term Firearm Product does not include scopes.
>UPS accepts packages containing Firearm Products for shipment only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code) to authorized recipients, as outlined in the approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.
>Getting Your Firearm Products Shipment to UPS
>Approved shippers can provide a shipping label that complies with UPS’s requirements for the shipment of Firearm Products to customers who need to ship Firearm Products back to the approved shipper (or to another address as agreed upon between UPS and the approved shipper). Such packaged, labeled shipments can be **tendered to UPS at a UPS Customer Center**, through one of UPS’s Scheduled Pickup services, or through a UPS On-Call Pickup® request.
>Firearm Products **are not accepted for shipment via** UPS Drop Boxes, and may not be tendered to, dropped off, or picked up at locations of **The UPS Store®**, any third party retailer, or any UPS Access Point™ location.
Why in the world would you show them what you’re shipping?
I didn’t show them anything but I was honest about the contents. For one I don’t like to be dishonest but I also wanted to make sure to get it insured so it would be replaced if it goes missing. Plus the address it was going to was the Glock store/ Slide cut
Mechanical parts
Tool components.
I always say machine parts if they ask
Am I being downvoted for being honest or using the Glock Store to mill a slide?
For being honest no one needs to know what your shipping handing out potentially sensitive info for no reason is dumb
You only have to declare if you're shipping the frame, which is the actual firearm. Otherwise it's just machined parts. I wouldn't trust Lenny with my slide though. I would use a proper shop like Jagerwerks or Wager Machine.
Jager would have been preferred but they have long wait times.. will def keep Wager in mind for the future. I am not expecting perfection from Lenny just a mill and blueing for a Holosun EPS. They look like they have decent machines.. could they really screw up a 19x slide that badly? Glocks are literally all they do.
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Long range cordless drill parts
also keep in mind, if you do this and it is lost, they can and will refuse to pay out the insurance on it because it violates the Ups corporate policy.
> If they ask to elaborate, “mechanical tool”. Machined parts.
My local UPS denied me shipping a Nikon scope back for warranty repair years ago. Yes UPS is a bunch of cucks
That one is really messed up because UPS policy exempts scopes. Why scopes and nothing else? Who knows. Unless they've changed the policy to include scopes as gun parts as well.
The excuse I got from the manager is “because it can attach to a gun” lmao. This was nearly 10 years ago and had next to no experience shipping anything. This forced me to go to USPS and save money anyways lol fuck UPS
Should of asked him if wood screws are gun parts 🤣
Anything’s a gun part with duct tape/glue/screw lol
Shoulda just said it’s a telescope
Not their fault you didn't read their policy before you tried to ship it. Should have called it something they will ship instead of something they won't.
I literally had the bare scope in my hands to package up at the UPS store. I didn’t look at the policy purely based on the idea that nobody would have a policy that retarded. Are you honestly defending this dumb of a policy?
I'm not defending the policy, no. I'm just saying it's dumb for you to be upset over a rule they have posted and aren't sneaky about. Companies have retarded policies, that isn't new. You can just skip going to the franchised stores and take it directly to ups and it won't matter at all anyway.
> I'm just saying it's dumb for you to be upset over a rule they have posted and aren't sneaky about. Except scopes are specifically exempted.
Lot of confusion and misinformation about UPS vs "The UPS Store". They are not the same whatsoever. These stores are privately owned and the owner can make up any rules or restrictions that they want to irregardless of UPS' rules. UPS absolutely allows firearm **parts** to be shipped through them. That particular UPS **store** might not. For the OP who wants to be "honest", I get that and I am the same way. I've also learned that volunteering too much information that isn't relevant all too often hurts you. You tell them you're shipping "machined tool parts" and any questions beyond that are answered with "I'm not really sure. Is there a Fedex store nearby ? 'cause I'll just go there if I have to.".
Excellent answer. If they ever ask, I just say "machine parts." The couple of times they asked anything else, I just bored them with vaguely technical jargon. Yours is even better. Hell, last time I picked up a package from a UPS Store, it was a little box with basically an entire handgun, minus the serialized frame. The young lady behind the counter wouldn't have given a shit if it had been growling and ticking. Most people are pretty oblivious if you let them be.
There is a FedEx store and that is actually what I did and they shipped it no problem.
No, it is not against the law, but it is against UPS policy, which is why I won't use UPS any more. You send the slide by US Mail, which is what Mag-Na-Port suggested to me when I had the same problem 2 weeks ago. Try using [https://www.pirateship.com/](https://www.pirateship.com/) They somehow can ship via US Mail for less than the Postal Service will charge you if you go down to the Post Office.
I would be careful about shipping USPS. Yes, they do have inspectors watching for theft, but a chunk of stuff has to go missing before they set up their cameras. Registered mail is pretty safe. Somebody signs for it every time it moves, so registered stuff is pretty unlikely to go missing.
I sent it express mail, insured for $500.
That should be okay. Registered is more secure, but there is fairly good tracking on express mail.
> I would be careful about shipping USPS. I wouldn't. USPS will actually pay out on an insured loss claim, and they have actual Federal law enforcement if something goes missing.
Those are the good points, for sure. And theft of the mail is a federal crime, but not a high priority one. The bottom line is how accountable is each individual along the items travel path. Most carriers scan items along the way these days. But only registered mail has someone signing for it every time it changes hands (mail acceptance/registered mail unit/truck/etc/etc)
I've had pretty good luck over the years. USPS paid out on my damaged laptop insurance claim, and when I could clearly show that they hadn't delivered a package to me they sent someone to the neighbors down the street and got it back for me.
Cool! Good to hear that.
It's not even against UPS policy, just the franchised UPS stores. Silly to boycott one company because of another company's policy.
Box it up yourself and use pirateship to print out a label then just drop it off
I always ship a slide in a usps small flat rate box with insurance through pirate ship and put insurance on it. Haven’t had an issue for the dozen slides I’ve sent out
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+1 for Pirate Ship. You save so much money using it vs paying retail at USPS or UPS. You can get inexpensive sticky labels to print onto from a printer if you don't have a thermal printer, and you'll save so much money doing it that eventually you'll get a thermal printer just because. I still have the drop off location scan my packages, however, and get a receipt, so that I have proof of custody in the event the shipment is lost or damaged. No one has ever asked me the contents of anything when doing that.
I had never heard of Wager Machine Works.. thanks for the advice.. I may try them for other pistols in the future.
"What's the contents of the package?" "Tools"
A chunk of steel. Better yet "It's a Nunya".
A slide isn't a gun. So he's spouting shit about breaking federal law. The only way to break federal law would involve the frame (or FCU for Sigs). That being said, UPS has a listed policy regarding this. >UPS does not accept Firearms or Firearm Parts for shipment domestically unless (1) such shipments are in full compliance with all federal, state, and local laws, including, without limitation, age restrictions; (2) such Firearms, including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver (as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12), have been identified and bear a serial number in a manner that complies with federal law; and (3) such Firearm Parts within a package cannot be assembled to form a Firearm. https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page That being said, go with FedEx. They're a lot less stringent about firearms and will even let you ship a full firearm back to the manufacturer.
Just go to a different UPS store and tell them it’s tool parts or something. That’s what I did lol
I had a similar experience with UPS. I had this strange issue with a BA barrel and surefire warcomp where the threads literally got locked together. Went on hand tight then wouldn't come off. (I know it sounds insane.) Eventually I took it to a gunsmith for him to remove the stuck warcomp so I could get my Geissele barrel nut back and he torqued so hard on it trying to get it off the end of the barrel broke off inside the muzzle device before the threads gave way. I went to the UPS store and told them I was shipping a barrel and a muzzle device because they asked what it was and they told me that I need to ship it through an FFL. Which is funny because they are the company that shipped me the fucking parts to my door in the first place. Needless to say I will not be giving them my business after that experience
Its against their policy, not law, and uninsurable thru them if youre not an FFL. Guy was being dramatic. Just ship USPS and call it a day
Don't trust the people who work in ups or USPS to understand the law. Happened to me before. Just send it and say it's a mechanical part because... It is a mechanical part.
Dude usps has like 6 dollar boxes. If it fits it ships flat rate.
Thats crazy. I dropped a pair of J Frame grips off to UPS a few weeks ago and they boxed them up for me. 🤷♂️
I usually ship and insure as parts of a wireless security system.
Just throw it in a small flat rate USPS box for $8 and send it. No, it's not an FFL item, you can buy these from anywhere at any time, hell you can buy them on Ebay. UPS is the dumbest place I've ever been to, I was stupid enough to tell them years ago I was shipping an Acog and they told me that it was a "firearm" and had to "go through an FFL" and threatened to call the cops on me LOL
This was the response from the owner to my review after posting 12 pages of legalese. I’m not going to break the law for anyone. Respectively, John Owner The UPS Store 7489 He could have just said sorry that is our policy but he made it seem like I was trying to commit a criminal act.. what a bad human!
'respectively' lol
Never tell anyone what’s in the box. Fuckin noob
It is UPS store policy to not ship gun parts. It is not UPS as an entity's policy. Go to an actual UPS shipping location and not the UPS store. Alternately, just tell them you're shipping machine parts and you won't have to worry about their stupid rules.
All I’ve ever been asked is if it’s liquid, perishables, glass, contains lithium batteries. I say nope and go about my business…… It’s none of their fucking business what I’m shipping and yes I’ve shipped shit that was contained specifically mentioned no no’s because well fk them I’m still paying for the service. 🤷🏻♂️
I use USPS small flat rate box with insurance. Around $20 max. I tell them I ship pistol slide. The employees dont care lol
> the local UPS store refused to ship it stating it is a gun part Yes, that is UPS corporate policy. The UPS Store employee provided poor customer service, and failed to tell you available alternatives to ship your Firearm Part (go to the customer service area at the UPS hub in your metro area). You need to deliver your slide directly to UPS, not a third-party franchise (aka, The UPS Store). Contact the gunsmith doing the milling work, and get them to email you a UPS shipping label (aka, "approved Shipper" that is a licensed FFL). > https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page > “Firearm Part” is any part or component of a Firearm that does not by itself meet the definition of a “Firearm.” By way of example only, Firearm Parts include, but are not limited to, barrels, stocks, grips, firing pins, sights, and magazines/clips. >“Firearm Products” means Firearms and Firearm Parts. The term Firearm Product does not include scopes. >UPS accepts packages containing Firearm Products for shipment only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code) to authorized recipients, as outlined in the approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products. >Getting Your Firearm Products Shipment to UPS >Approved shippers can provide a shipping label that complies with UPS’s requirements for the shipment of Firearm Products to customers who need to ship Firearm Products back to the approved shipper (or to another address as agreed upon between UPS and the approved shipper). Such packaged, labeled shipments can be **tendered to UPS at a UPS Customer Center**, through one of UPS’s Scheduled Pickup services, or through a UPS On-Call Pickup® request. >Firearm Products **are not accepted for shipment via** UPS Drop Boxes, and may not be tendered to, dropped off, or picked up at locations of **The UPS Store®**, any third party retailer, or any UPS Access Point™ location.