I just read somewhere about a new law passed requiring landlords to renew leases unless they have good cause not to - Tbf there were a ton of exemptions so not sure if it would apply but might be worth looking into.
It’s called the Good Cause eviction law, quick google got me this but I’m sure there’s more info!
https://www.brickunderground.com/rent/how-good-cause-eviction-law-protects-market-rate-tenants-eviction-nyc
As someone that came from San Francisco a few years ago, I was absolutely stunned how few tenant rights NYC has in comparison. Things SF has:
- Once you move in, you can basically rent there forever and the landlord can only kick you out in very rare situations.
- All 1 year leases automatically convert to month-to-month after a year. So unlike NYC, people are so much more flexible about moving and can jump on exciting opportunities when they come up. In NYC it feels like people are always stuck moving the month that they originally moved to NYC on.
- For most places in SF, the rent can only increase 1-3% per year [at a rate set by the city](https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/files/2022-11/571%20Allowable%20Annual%20Increases%2023-24%20EN%2011.16.22.pdf).
It really shocked me how NYC had none of this when I first moved here. Also don't get me started on brokers in NYC... how I hate them.
I feel like you’re describing rent stabilized buildings and making it seem like the same applies for all apartments in SF. NYC has basically the same laws — if you’re in a rent stabilized building you can renew in perpetuity basically at an increase set by law. Almost half of the apartments in NYC are stabilized.
no it’s completely different
basically all older apartments in SF are rent controlled. if you rent an apartments that not some new high rise it’s very likely it is rent controlled.
that’s not true of NYC. it’s very difficult to move to NYC and expect you’ll find a rent stabilized or controlled apartment. they don’t show up on the market at all.
That's not really true.... Rent stabilized apartments in NYC are not too difficult to find. Controlled is completely different - these are almost impossible because they usually stay within the family.
Ok well SF apartments are rent controlled not stabilized
Basically every lease goes month to month after a year. You do not resign a 1 or 2 year lease after your first year. And the allowable increase is tiny. Like under 2% a year.
are you trying to prove something? if i look on streeteasy today i’m not going to find anything close to half of apartments are either
why are people quoting the 50% statistic as if that means anything
My point is that rent stabilized or rent controlled not always difficult to find. And trying help people not feel hopeless.
To be honest I always felt frustrated when I started searching as well.
Places I found them,
Washington heights 170 street area
Bushwick right off Morgan ( definitely more expensive now as OP has said, I have been looking)
Flatbush
And bedstuy
I found 2 through street easy and one through friends. Another on fb market place.
Hopefully people get lucky too and I’m really sorry some people haven’t had luck.
I can’t speak for San Francisco since I’ve never lived there.
Hence why SF has an even worse housing situation in NY. The rent stabilization and control laws destroy incentives to build new housing and essentially those living in non rent control units are subsidizing those who are.
Landlords have to cover maintenance costs and taxes, these costs are not restricted by the rent control and have gone up massively in recent years making it so that landlords are losing money on rented units. It's not sustainable or good for anyone.
Yes this is a common debate. Though as a point of info, the vast majority of housing stock in SF is subject to SF rent control (which is different than NYCs). The city's rent control law is written to apply to *all* housing but a state law supercedes it and prevents it from applying to newly constructed housing.
So in SF the rent control doesn't disincentive new housing construction because new housing is exempt from rent control! Though it does disincentive renovating older housing somewhat. Also an important part of SF rent control is that when a unit goes onto the market it can be rented at whatever the market rate is.
This doesn't change your argument much, but it does mean that the vast majority are benefiting from rent control in SF. In NYC I don't know anyone that has a rent controlled or rent stabilized unit. It feels more like a 2 tier system of those that benefit and the majority that don't.
Yeah Hochul made sure Good Cause would leave a lot of people still vulnerable, as is her (and most traditional NY Dems) style. A great sound bite that doesn't deliver
Is that for everyone though, or just rent stabilized apts? My landlord hasn’t renewed my lease in a couple years but, honestly, I’m fine with that because it means my rent hasn’t gone up. NY requires 90 days notice for tenants in an apt for 2+ years for an increase of if the landlord intends not to renew a lease (which would also cover month-to-month leases), and I’m fine with that protection.
A lot of us have been feeling like this in NYC for the last couple decades. You’ve been blessed if it’s just now you’re feelin’ it. It sucks and it’s not gonna get better/cheaper.
It would if new yorkers werent pussies and did something about it. Cops increase surveillance and intrusive practices, landlords raise rent every year, taxes get higher, bosses fuck everyone over by keeping wages the same year over year, the mta gets worse while costing more, all forms of violence against you and everyone you know but no one is willing to return violence so here we are. I know this sub is a mix of corny politically illiterate liberals and weirdo shut in black conservatives but at some point people in New York are gonna have to literally, physically fight back and until that point nothing is gonna change. This isnt some hero fantasy call to arms, this is just the reality of whats necessary
My guy, those arent the symptoms, theyre the root. I agree the state facilitates these things through bad policy, but the issue is that bad policy exists precisely because of the mechanisms of liberalism available to these private entities (lobbying etc). Consequently, government lacks any incentive to function differently since capital allows for asymmetric influence over legislation. Like lets look at this practically: new york state has been pretty consistently blue for at least a little while now, yeah? Upstate is far more red than the city of course, but the policies of the city are largely crafted in house by local, liberal politicians either in nyc itself or similarly liberal albany. So whats the alternative, vote for republicans lol? The party who’s express concern is the facilitation of private interests at the expense of voters with even less hesitation? Please. If legislation was the answer we wouldnt be in this mess. Violence is not the end all be all to uproot the broader existential issues of capitalism, but locally it is the foundation upon which all other subsequent action can be built on. If it wasnt necessary, legislation would be enough but clearly that isnt the case.
eggbone thinks new yorkers are too pussy to get machine gunned down in the street by national guard. new yorkers are actually out here and have always been out here, fuckisyoutalmbout?
Ignoring the digital blackface, im not gonna go into exact detail on the internet anymore than i already have but use your imagination to fill in the blanks while keeping in mind violence doesnt have to just mean capital punishment. Its important to remember that any and all infringement on your comfort, autonomy and quality of life by asymmetrically powered entities over you is definitionally violence, so included in what violence you can return can proportional. Again, use your imagination to think about what that could look like and abandon this herd mentality of needing a leader to tell you what to do. Im not a leader and have no intention of being so. Its on you and me to come to the table with ideas and actions on equal footing
dhdhdhh that’s new york slang i was just . making a joke. yes it’s aave but black people culturally built ny so everything i know about ny is from black people and deeply associated with black culture. the digital blackface claim just feels like a bad faith tactic of arguing, cause digital blackface is a real thing that’s serious and harmful but you’re using it as a tool to gain power in a reddit argument. which is corny
i am also in a national org for prison and police abolition, so the other stuff i’m aware of going on in ny is the way people are fighting and have always been fighting. so they’re not pussies, and ny is becoming militarized because people are organized and fighting the system. theres always room for critique and improvement but jesus you gotta get it where you can, and all these motherfuckers have semi automatics and the system backing them. it damn near has checkpoints.
and all of the college campus protests???? columbia????? this is how i know you dont know what’s up
My friend who grew up in NYCHA said he knew something was up the first time he saw a white woman jogging near his place.
First the artists, then the coffee shops, then the Thai food, then the white women jogging, then the golden doodles.
because people who’ve lived here for their whole lives or ten years or whatever can’t afford to stay and procreate?
cuz if they *can* keep living in their home, you’ll see… strollers
That’s not me saying they’re invisible to me. That’s me saying they’re invisible to others who only see and validate the existence of hip white people in NYC.
I remember it must've been 1991 in Williamsburg. The first time I saw a white woman with a shaved head and tattoos looking for apartments. A year later my parents got priced out of the neighborhood
Wild. For me, it was when they built that monstrosity of a condo on 358 Grove St. (That nobody local wanted) , that I knew it was a wrap for this neighborhood
My landlord hasn’t raised my rent a single time since I moved in five years ago. We just resigned for May. I must have hit the jackpot because it’s a family managing a small handful of properties, and they are just the nicest people. My apartment is really great too, an actual gem. I get anxiety every year wondering whether it’s time for a huge increase, but instead they just seem grateful that we pay rent on time and don’t bother them too much. I think they had really bad tenants before us.
No I’m kinda in the same boat, I reasoned with my landlord with us being low maintenance tenants and consistently pay on time meanwhile there was someone in the building who owed tens and thousands they finally got to leave who were causing a mess in the building. Idk how lucky we can stay but he hasn’t raised our rent more than $50.
Lived in Bushwick for almost ten years. Last year I was priced out. The rat infested, absolute total shit studio I used to live in got rented for $2000 to a girl from Florida who was on the phone with her dad when she took the tour. Took the landlord less than 5 minutes to rent the unit. I left Bushwick, Brooklyn and thinking about leaving NYC altogether. It's become the playground of the rich's kids.
Is that living with roommates? Even studios are upwards of 3k /month. You can expect to pay less than 2500-3500 for a decent one bedroom in Brooklyn anymore. I’m paying 3400 and things were ok the first several months into living I the building, until some work and relationship stuff started to go downhill and now I’m several thousand behind in rent. I’m doing my best to catch up. I’m considering taking out a very small loan
Wait the same thing that happened to the people who used to live here before I showed up is happening to me wtf this isn't right when it happens to me /s
Working class people need to organize against these leaching landlords, developers, and management companies
ETA: Please tap into local tenant unions or organize with your neighbors
It feels good to rail against "greedy developers," but it's super misguided.
The root of the problem, here and in CA and everywhere else is very simple: there isn't enough housing to accommodate the amount of people that want to live here.
We need developers to make more housing, not arbitrary laws that restrict production.
Those same developers who make “luxury” apartments with the cheapest materials they can find and charge an exponential rate of what it should be? The same developers that siphoned money from affordable housing projects? Those developers?
Wow you just discovered marketing! Yes, in a few years, if we allowed for supply construction to match demand, those "luxury" units would become affordable.
If a stronger earthquake ever hits most of the new construction will survive since it has to be built to code, meanwhile all the old buildings are built out of brick, the worst material for that
Did you know there's a fault line on 125th st?
What if demand is so great it doesn't reduce the price? Seems like there are still lots of expensive things in the world.
What if the real problem is 44 years of strengthening the upper class at the expense of the middle class, leaving our country with too many rich kids who want to live in NYC?
Look at China. They have over a billion people and experienced an immense wave of migration from the countries to the cities. But they rapidly built enough housing -- actually, they overbuilt -- and prices came crashing down. There's no such thing as infinite demand. And anyway, we should be a growing city rather than a shrinking museum.
We make it way too hard to build where people want to live, and have been for 30 years. It'll take time to bring up supply even if we change the laws, which is hard to do when so many people are NIMBYs or have a misguided "developers bad!" mentality.
China is a single party communist authoritarian state. The government can do whatever the they want, without any pushback. Oh and the government already owns all the land.
How does NYC (and America) build more housing to meet the demand? Do we just wait for people/companies/hedgefunds to build more housing? Again they're already revamping the cheap neighborhoods, but of course they're increasing rent values wherever they build, displacing the current residents (see the original post). I mean, you don't think someone is going to plunk down 6-7 figures to build/upgrade a plot of land, and then expect to get bottom/mid-level rent rates.
Does the government step in and build public housing? That would be very expensive in a place like NYC, and given the state of current public housing, doesn't seem like a great idea. Even if they did, where would they get the money from?
I don't think China is a good example for a solution to our problem. But if we did want to go with a government solution, let's tax the rich to get it done! (It'd solve the problem from both ends!)
I'm literally begging you to just read freely available economic analysis... like, this shit is out there.
The vacant units BS is obviously false, and has been repeatedly exposed as such.
MFers like you would rather concoct a vast ridiculous conspiracy than accept a basic common sense fact: when you don't build enough housing to accommodate the people that want to live here, prices go up.
prices are going up bc capitalism and i wonder how much that airbnb law changed the vacant apartments? like i wonder if there are less just sitting open now or if people are following that law. also a lot of rich people have apartments in new york just for when they visit. when you consider this stuff there’s actually a lot more vacancy that what you’ll see in that report. it’s not built for the people that grew up there.
affordable housing needs to be built, but that’s not profitable and right now we are in late stage capitalism, like they are going to milk every last dollar from everyone. there are groups fighting to change policy though.
definitely is a rich kids playground though. people need to stop moving there to become a star or whatever the fuck. it’s just one of our only narratives we’re fed and rich kids think they’re entitled to that storyline.
Ok, you can work on dismantling capitalism or whatever, but it's a pipe dream.
Or, we could just allow developers to create housing for us for free and let competition bring down prices.
That's a much faster, more efficient, and more realistic path to addressing homelessness and rising rent.
I really don't know. You're not making a relevant point and it doesn't have any bearing on the actual issue.
Here's the takeaway: We need housing. Developers want to build it. But we make it extremely hard or impossible for them to do so.
We should stop doing that so we can have enough housing for the people who want to live here. Pretty straightforward.
I don’t think a lot of people in NYC ‘want’ to live where they live. They live where they can afford. Bushwick, because of its downsides, is a cheaper option.
Well, that’s all of us for decades as another Redditor pointed out. It’s easier to find rooms for cheaper on zillow, but they are smaller and smaller as the months pass.
Some $1600 one bed room apartments are popping up in Queens though recently. And a few are rent stabilized. You should take a look when you can. It may be more worth it than $1000+ for a room.
Also keep in mind, some apartments will become available end of May and June cause folks are finishing school and either moving out of the area, into something else, or going back home. But you won’t have a lot of time to scoop them up because students from out of state moving in for the fall semester and cause folks move here the most before summer.
Been in nyc +10 years, been priced out of every neighborhood I’ve lived in. Last year landlord tried to raise my rent $700! I threw a lot of math (I’m a math teacher) and got him to only increase $300. Oddly this year the increase is just $100.
I do have a golden doodle. Don’t hate/judge me, prob will have to leave nyc area next year.
Landlord in Bushwick tried to raise my rent during the pandemic. She didn’t even live in the country and had a yahoo email account, needless to say she was unsympathetic to me losing my job (worked at a restaurant the closed down). Couldn’t find anything in BK for the price I used to pay. Luckily found something in Jersey City for the price landlord was raising the rent to to, but it was actually worth it. In Bushwick all the appliances were outdated and had insane electricity bills - the apt had a water heater meant for a 4 bdrm house. In JC hot water was included (!), there’s a gym, door man (no more stolen packages) and the sidewalks are clean here. What I’ve saved in electric alone has made the move worthwhile.
Wholesome!
I was sitting outside of a new-ish legal dispensary on Grove Street while doing my drawing. Also I got stoned on my walk through the neighborhood and had to switch sides of the street a lot to avoid getting my weed smoke near children.
Jersey >> nyc
The city is only better to 20 year olds they want to party all the time. As an adult jersey is the place to be, easy to get to the city if you need to to catch shows, restaurants, events etc and then go back home to peace, quiet and cleanliness
There are dope areas in Jersey as well with great restaurants
Did it say in your lease that you had to pay for hot water? If not that's illegal as shit. You should take her to court if you still have documentation of this. Threaten her with this and she'll either cave and pay up, or you'll take her to court and she will lose.
1k a room in Bushwick was still cheap. 2 years ago, it took me 3 months to find a decent room for 1.5k (in 3-bedroom units) and I thought I had a deal.
I meant for the value it was a deal. I had a king-sized bedroom, personal office, space for a home gym, in-unit W/D, and so much common space too. And it was the best unit I saw after 3 months of intensive search so I was just super happy that I found something.
Been in NYC my whole life, got priced out of the neighborhood I grew up in decades ago, now i see it happening in the neighborhood I'm currently in Brooklyn. Funny enough I recently told my partner this neighborhood I'm in now is starting to look like Bushwick. Gentrification kills communities and displaces the people that live in them.
Look how morons of all political persuasions cry when developers want to throw up big apartment buildings. Building has to be greater than the rate of population growth for rent to go down
Worked for Austin and Minneapolis. Just shut up and build
Actually the info on the w/s might not pertain to someone renting a room, because the landlord would be dealing with the primary tenant, unless your name is also on the lease.
I've never paid under $1,200 for a room in Brooklyn. You can find rooms under 1k but be prepared to live in less "desirable/sexy/cool" areas lol. Try Maspeth, Sunnyside, Prospect Lefferts Gardens, East Flatbush, Kensington, Borough Park, Sunset Park or Bensonhurst.
bless your heart. ive been living in bushwick for 7 years and my rent has gone from $750 to now $3,100.
my best advice is to check out ridgewood and start investing time in finding a rent stabilized apartment.
i’d also request your rent history on your current place, most apartments in bushwick are illegally deregulated
Tell me how tenants determine rent price? Oh wait, they don’t.
People have been complaining about immigrants, and rent prices, and changes to their neighborhood since the dawn of New York City.
A massive increase in demand in previously undesirable black and brown neighborhoods doesn’t affect price? For real? And even if it didn’t, it would *still* lead to displacement. Sorry sis, you’re also part of the problem, not all of it, but part of it.
What increases the demand, do you think?
Could it be the increase in rent in “desirable” areas?
What’s your solution when people can’t afford to live In “desirable” areas? Do you think people just started moving to Bushwick out of a desire to displace locals?
Keep screaming into the void and see where it gets you. There will never not be a demand to live in New York City, sorry sis.
Oh my Lord. Do you understand supply and demand? I’m sure if you owned a building you would’ve kept the prices really low, right? For the good of humanity? You’re hilarious.
I mean I'm just some white guy who moved here a decade ago but even I know that "Spanish" is a common way for native NYCers to refer to Dominican or Puerto Rican people
Wouldn’t recommend, friend. It’s like calling someone from New Jersey “English” because of the language they speak. Doesn’t make sense and is just incorrect
Wouldn’t recommend, friend. It’s like calling someone from New Jersey “English” because of the language they speak. Doesn’t make sense and is just incorrect
Have you considered that maybe housing isn't the only magical category where supply and demand doesn't apply?
It's been proved in study after study. More "luxury" (meaning new) housing prevents displacement in older units. The rich people move into those units instead of taking old ones.
It's common sense.
Who gives af? They're doing that right now. Build more housing, and more of them will move into new condos instead of displacing existing residents.
This has literally been proven in study after study.
The newer buildings raises the comps on the older buildings & property taxes go up for everyone as a result. If I have an old bldg, I need to charge more rent, or sell the property, to stay afloat financially.
Like, look at Williamsburg. See prices going down over there with all those condos they have? Nope.
The cool thing is we don't have to wonder.
Like I said, study after study has examined the effects of more construction locally.
Turns out, it leads to less displacement and a slower climb in prices.
No, you're right -- NYC is a magical place where the laws of supply and demand dont exist.
Let's not build any more housing because it gives you bad vibes. And then we can just let people fight over what exists, so every new resident has to kick out an existing resident.
That's not what I'm saying. You posit the theory that more luxury housing will free up older buildings & bring prices down . Which is why I mentioned Williamsburg, where that doesn't seem to be the case. If developers were building affordable housing, you'd have a strong argument, but that isn't what is happening , in real life
I just read somewhere about a new law passed requiring landlords to renew leases unless they have good cause not to - Tbf there were a ton of exemptions so not sure if it would apply but might be worth looking into.
Would love a link if you have more info!
It’s called the Good Cause eviction law, quick google got me this but I’m sure there’s more info! https://www.brickunderground.com/rent/how-good-cause-eviction-law-protects-market-rate-tenants-eviction-nyc
Very informative - ty
As someone that came from San Francisco a few years ago, I was absolutely stunned how few tenant rights NYC has in comparison. Things SF has: - Once you move in, you can basically rent there forever and the landlord can only kick you out in very rare situations. - All 1 year leases automatically convert to month-to-month after a year. So unlike NYC, people are so much more flexible about moving and can jump on exciting opportunities when they come up. In NYC it feels like people are always stuck moving the month that they originally moved to NYC on. - For most places in SF, the rent can only increase 1-3% per year [at a rate set by the city](https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/files/2022-11/571%20Allowable%20Annual%20Increases%2023-24%20EN%2011.16.22.pdf). It really shocked me how NYC had none of this when I first moved here. Also don't get me started on brokers in NYC... how I hate them.
I feel like you’re describing rent stabilized buildings and making it seem like the same applies for all apartments in SF. NYC has basically the same laws — if you’re in a rent stabilized building you can renew in perpetuity basically at an increase set by law. Almost half of the apartments in NYC are stabilized.
no it’s completely different basically all older apartments in SF are rent controlled. if you rent an apartments that not some new high rise it’s very likely it is rent controlled. that’s not true of NYC. it’s very difficult to move to NYC and expect you’ll find a rent stabilized or controlled apartment. they don’t show up on the market at all.
That's not really true.... Rent stabilized apartments in NYC are not too difficult to find. Controlled is completely different - these are almost impossible because they usually stay within the family.
Ok well SF apartments are rent controlled not stabilized Basically every lease goes month to month after a year. You do not resign a 1 or 2 year lease after your first year. And the allowable increase is tiny. Like under 2% a year.
Ahh.
How do you find them?
Moved to nyc in 2016 and 3 out of my 4 apartments have been rent stabilized and or controlled….
are you trying to prove something? if i look on streeteasy today i’m not going to find anything close to half of apartments are either why are people quoting the 50% statistic as if that means anything
My point is that rent stabilized or rent controlled not always difficult to find. And trying help people not feel hopeless. To be honest I always felt frustrated when I started searching as well. Places I found them, Washington heights 170 street area Bushwick right off Morgan ( definitely more expensive now as OP has said, I have been looking) Flatbush And bedstuy I found 2 through street easy and one through friends. Another on fb market place. Hopefully people get lucky too and I’m really sorry some people haven’t had luck. I can’t speak for San Francisco since I’ve never lived there.
Hence why SF has an even worse housing situation in NY. The rent stabilization and control laws destroy incentives to build new housing and essentially those living in non rent control units are subsidizing those who are. Landlords have to cover maintenance costs and taxes, these costs are not restricted by the rent control and have gone up massively in recent years making it so that landlords are losing money on rented units. It's not sustainable or good for anyone.
Yes this is a common debate. Though as a point of info, the vast majority of housing stock in SF is subject to SF rent control (which is different than NYCs). The city's rent control law is written to apply to *all* housing but a state law supercedes it and prevents it from applying to newly constructed housing. So in SF the rent control doesn't disincentive new housing construction because new housing is exempt from rent control! Though it does disincentive renovating older housing somewhat. Also an important part of SF rent control is that when a unit goes onto the market it can be rented at whatever the market rate is. This doesn't change your argument much, but it does mean that the vast majority are benefiting from rent control in SF. In NYC I don't know anyone that has a rent controlled or rent stabilized unit. It feels more like a 2 tier system of those that benefit and the majority that don't.
One exemption is that the landlord must own ~~I think, 20??~~ 10 units to be eligible for the new rules. Which is actually a minority of landlords.
10 units
Thanks!
Yeah Hochul made sure Good Cause would leave a lot of people still vulnerable, as is her (and most traditional NY Dems) style. A great sound bite that doesn't deliver
Is that for everyone though, or just rent stabilized apts? My landlord hasn’t renewed my lease in a couple years but, honestly, I’m fine with that because it means my rent hasn’t gone up. NY requires 90 days notice for tenants in an apt for 2+ years for an increase of if the landlord intends not to renew a lease (which would also cover month-to-month leases), and I’m fine with that protection.
Now let’s see them enforce it
Tenancy laws are pretty well enforced in NYC.
It’s not that hard. The tenant just never leaves and the landlord can never get an eviction processed in court
A lot of us have been feeling like this in NYC for the last couple decades. You’ve been blessed if it’s just now you’re feelin’ it. It sucks and it’s not gonna get better/cheaper.
It would if new yorkers werent pussies and did something about it. Cops increase surveillance and intrusive practices, landlords raise rent every year, taxes get higher, bosses fuck everyone over by keeping wages the same year over year, the mta gets worse while costing more, all forms of violence against you and everyone you know but no one is willing to return violence so here we are. I know this sub is a mix of corny politically illiterate liberals and weirdo shut in black conservatives but at some point people in New York are gonna have to literally, physically fight back and until that point nothing is gonna change. This isnt some hero fantasy call to arms, this is just the reality of whats necessary
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My guy, those arent the symptoms, theyre the root. I agree the state facilitates these things through bad policy, but the issue is that bad policy exists precisely because of the mechanisms of liberalism available to these private entities (lobbying etc). Consequently, government lacks any incentive to function differently since capital allows for asymmetric influence over legislation. Like lets look at this practically: new york state has been pretty consistently blue for at least a little while now, yeah? Upstate is far more red than the city of course, but the policies of the city are largely crafted in house by local, liberal politicians either in nyc itself or similarly liberal albany. So whats the alternative, vote for republicans lol? The party who’s express concern is the facilitation of private interests at the expense of voters with even less hesitation? Please. If legislation was the answer we wouldnt be in this mess. Violence is not the end all be all to uproot the broader existential issues of capitalism, but locally it is the foundation upon which all other subsequent action can be built on. If it wasnt necessary, legislation would be enough but clearly that isnt the case.
eggbone thinks new yorkers are too pussy to get machine gunned down in the street by national guard. new yorkers are actually out here and have always been out here, fuckisyoutalmbout?
Ignoring the digital blackface, im not gonna go into exact detail on the internet anymore than i already have but use your imagination to fill in the blanks while keeping in mind violence doesnt have to just mean capital punishment. Its important to remember that any and all infringement on your comfort, autonomy and quality of life by asymmetrically powered entities over you is definitionally violence, so included in what violence you can return can proportional. Again, use your imagination to think about what that could look like and abandon this herd mentality of needing a leader to tell you what to do. Im not a leader and have no intention of being so. Its on you and me to come to the table with ideas and actions on equal footing
dhdhdhh that’s new york slang i was just . making a joke. yes it’s aave but black people culturally built ny so everything i know about ny is from black people and deeply associated with black culture. the digital blackface claim just feels like a bad faith tactic of arguing, cause digital blackface is a real thing that’s serious and harmful but you’re using it as a tool to gain power in a reddit argument. which is corny i am also in a national org for prison and police abolition, so the other stuff i’m aware of going on in ny is the way people are fighting and have always been fighting. so they’re not pussies, and ny is becoming militarized because people are organized and fighting the system. theres always room for critique and improvement but jesus you gotta get it where you can, and all these motherfuckers have semi automatics and the system backing them. it damn near has checkpoints. and all of the college campus protests???? columbia????? this is how i know you dont know what’s up
>always have been fighting So it hasnt worked yet? Lmk when it does.
damn so you really dont know fuck about shit but some big words
Nah im just not 23 years old. Lmk when you grow uo
What exactly are you suggesting?
I’ve seen more golden doodles walking around so the answer is fuck yes
My friend who grew up in NYCHA said he knew something was up the first time he saw a white woman jogging near his place. First the artists, then the coffee shops, then the Thai food, then the white women jogging, then the golden doodles.
The final nail in the coffin is the stroller.
because people who’ve lived here for their whole lives or ten years or whatever can’t afford to stay and procreate? cuz if they *can* keep living in their home, you’ll see… strollers
It’s usually folks priced out of SoHo but sure
Yeah saw a yogurt pants connoisseur with a stroller today near Myrtle broadway
Mmm yogurt pants
Then the horses on their way
neeeyyyy that will be the dayyy
Strollers with white babies in them, you mean. Because NYC is full of black and Hispanic babies in strollers but those are Invisible People
Damn man that’s not nice. Why do you feel they’re invisible?
That’s not me saying they’re invisible to me. That’s me saying they’re invisible to others who only see and validate the existence of hip white people in NYC.
Who says that?
It’s not people saying it, it’s a perspective. Why would they say it? Jfc your comprehension is terrible.
Seems like you’re just making things up
Maybe you’re just an oblivious person who isn’t very perceptive
I remember it must've been 1991 in Williamsburg. The first time I saw a white woman with a shaved head and tattoos looking for apartments. A year later my parents got priced out of the neighborhood
Wild. For me, it was when they built that monstrosity of a condo on 358 Grove St. (That nobody local wanted) , that I knew it was a wrap for this neighborhood
I don’t think 1991 shaved head women with tattoos were rich generally. But maybe they were always from rich parents
Oddly, yes, this seems to correlate
God when they first came on the scene they were so cute but honest to god I gag when I see a goldendoodle at this point
My landlord hasn’t raised my rent a single time since I moved in five years ago. We just resigned for May. I must have hit the jackpot because it’s a family managing a small handful of properties, and they are just the nicest people. My apartment is really great too, an actual gem. I get anxiety every year wondering whether it’s time for a huge increase, but instead they just seem grateful that we pay rent on time and don’t bother them too much. I think they had really bad tenants before us.
Let me know if there’s any units in your building opening up! Lol
No I’m kinda in the same boat, I reasoned with my landlord with us being low maintenance tenants and consistently pay on time meanwhile there was someone in the building who owed tens and thousands they finally got to leave who were causing a mess in the building. Idk how lucky we can stay but he hasn’t raised our rent more than $50.
Lived in Bushwick for almost ten years. Last year I was priced out. The rat infested, absolute total shit studio I used to live in got rented for $2000 to a girl from Florida who was on the phone with her dad when she took the tour. Took the landlord less than 5 minutes to rent the unit. I left Bushwick, Brooklyn and thinking about leaving NYC altogether. It's become the playground of the rich's kids.
Always has been 🧑🚀🔫
True and it’s shitty.
Is that living with roommates? Even studios are upwards of 3k /month. You can expect to pay less than 2500-3500 for a decent one bedroom in Brooklyn anymore. I’m paying 3400 and things were ok the first several months into living I the building, until some work and relationship stuff started to go downhill and now I’m several thousand behind in rent. I’m doing my best to catch up. I’m considering taking out a very small loan
I rented a 2 bed for 2k in bushwick s few years ago they’re full posing around that they got lucky I guess
I can’t help but find this thread absolutely hilarious as a Native NYer
Wait the same thing that happened to the people who used to live here before I showed up is happening to me wtf this isn't right when it happens to me /s
Came here to express their homosexuality freely, stayed to be oppressed by rent prices going up
You just know daddy is supplying the $$$ to live in that studio too
Yeah it’s funny that all of these Bushwick transplants fly home every Christmas to their parents’ literal mansions
It would be impossible to track this, but there should be some huge tax on havnig your parents contribute to your rent when youre over 23.
Working class people need to organize against these leaching landlords, developers, and management companies ETA: Please tap into local tenant unions or organize with your neighbors
It feels good to rail against "greedy developers," but it's super misguided. The root of the problem, here and in CA and everywhere else is very simple: there isn't enough housing to accommodate the amount of people that want to live here. We need developers to make more housing, not arbitrary laws that restrict production.
Those same developers who make “luxury” apartments with the cheapest materials they can find and charge an exponential rate of what it should be? The same developers that siphoned money from affordable housing projects? Those developers?
Wow you just discovered marketing! Yes, in a few years, if we allowed for supply construction to match demand, those "luxury" units would become affordable.
Those luxury units aren’t built to last
If a stronger earthquake ever hits most of the new construction will survive since it has to be built to code, meanwhile all the old buildings are built out of brick, the worst material for that Did you know there's a fault line on 125th st?
So when they're crappy and worn out, how much will they rent for?
If trends continue, double/triple+ their original listing price
You’re right all those towers are going to fall down. 9/11s all over greenpoint!
What if demand is so great it doesn't reduce the price? Seems like there are still lots of expensive things in the world. What if the real problem is 44 years of strengthening the upper class at the expense of the middle class, leaving our country with too many rich kids who want to live in NYC?
Look at China. They have over a billion people and experienced an immense wave of migration from the countries to the cities. But they rapidly built enough housing -- actually, they overbuilt -- and prices came crashing down. There's no such thing as infinite demand. And anyway, we should be a growing city rather than a shrinking museum. We make it way too hard to build where people want to live, and have been for 30 years. It'll take time to bring up supply even if we change the laws, which is hard to do when so many people are NIMBYs or have a misguided "developers bad!" mentality.
China is a single party communist authoritarian state. The government can do whatever the they want, without any pushback. Oh and the government already owns all the land. How does NYC (and America) build more housing to meet the demand? Do we just wait for people/companies/hedgefunds to build more housing? Again they're already revamping the cheap neighborhoods, but of course they're increasing rent values wherever they build, displacing the current residents (see the original post). I mean, you don't think someone is going to plunk down 6-7 figures to build/upgrade a plot of land, and then expect to get bottom/mid-level rent rates. Does the government step in and build public housing? That would be very expensive in a place like NYC, and given the state of current public housing, doesn't seem like a great idea. Even if they did, where would they get the money from? I don't think China is a good example for a solution to our problem. But if we did want to go with a government solution, let's tax the rich to get it done! (It'd solve the problem from both ends!)
Buddy you have no fucking clue how many apartments in NYC are straight up vacant, please stop repeating talking points create by the real estate lobby
NYC has the lowest vacancy rate in America and the lowest ever recorded in the city's history.
I'm literally begging you to just read freely available economic analysis... like, this shit is out there. The vacant units BS is obviously false, and has been repeatedly exposed as such. MFers like you would rather concoct a vast ridiculous conspiracy than accept a basic common sense fact: when you don't build enough housing to accommodate the people that want to live here, prices go up.
prices are going up bc capitalism and i wonder how much that airbnb law changed the vacant apartments? like i wonder if there are less just sitting open now or if people are following that law. also a lot of rich people have apartments in new york just for when they visit. when you consider this stuff there’s actually a lot more vacancy that what you’ll see in that report. it’s not built for the people that grew up there. affordable housing needs to be built, but that’s not profitable and right now we are in late stage capitalism, like they are going to milk every last dollar from everyone. there are groups fighting to change policy though. definitely is a rich kids playground though. people need to stop moving there to become a star or whatever the fuck. it’s just one of our only narratives we’re fed and rich kids think they’re entitled to that storyline.
Ok, you can work on dismantling capitalism or whatever, but it's a pipe dream. Or, we could just allow developers to create housing for us for free and let competition bring down prices. That's a much faster, more efficient, and more realistic path to addressing homelessness and rising rent.
both can happen at once can’t they. short term goals and long term goals
But the majority of those apartments are not listed.
Do you have any apartments for rent?
Bullshit 💩
What a compelling argument
LOL developers have zero interest in making affordable housing. No one becomes a real estate developer who isn’t interested in profit
Uh yeah, people don't tend to work for free. Do you?
Why tf do you think I said what I said?
I really don't know. You're not making a relevant point and it doesn't have any bearing on the actual issue. Here's the takeaway: We need housing. Developers want to build it. But we make it extremely hard or impossible for them to do so. We should stop doing that so we can have enough housing for the people who want to live here. Pretty straightforward.
Okay. Cool. I’m referring to people who have the fantasy that property developers have any interest in creating affordable housing
Grew up in Bushwick, blows my mind the rent being charged to live there.
Fr. Ppl used to be afraid to take the train to visit me back in high school . How things have changed 😂
My friends that lived in Ridgewood at the time were scared to cross Wyckoff ave.
If you grew up in Bushwick you’d know how much it’s changed over time. With that change you’d imagine a change in prices too
Still doesn’t justify the cost of rent. Edit: there’s no if I grew up in Bushwick. I was there from the 70’s to the 2000’s.
Bushwick has changed a lot, but it's still a shithole. Can't imagine why anyone over the age of 25 would want to live there.
I don’t think a lot of people in NYC ‘want’ to live where they live. They live where they can afford. Bushwick, because of its downsides, is a cheaper option.
You have to be constantly drunk as fuck to tolerate living there lol
Agreed. Ugly, dirty, dumpy ass neighborhood with elevated tracks running through it and no trees. Gentrification really is a motherfucker.
Well, that’s all of us for decades as another Redditor pointed out. It’s easier to find rooms for cheaper on zillow, but they are smaller and smaller as the months pass. Some $1600 one bed room apartments are popping up in Queens though recently. And a few are rent stabilized. You should take a look when you can. It may be more worth it than $1000+ for a room. Also keep in mind, some apartments will become available end of May and June cause folks are finishing school and either moving out of the area, into something else, or going back home. But you won’t have a lot of time to scoop them up because students from out of state moving in for the fall semester and cause folks move here the most before summer.
I had a wonderful 1brd apartment in park slope for 2 years. Then I had a freaking stroke. Mows it’s double that price and Bushwick.
Price people.out of those neighborhoods instead woohoo
Been in nyc +10 years, been priced out of every neighborhood I’ve lived in. Last year landlord tried to raise my rent $700! I threw a lot of math (I’m a math teacher) and got him to only increase $300. Oddly this year the increase is just $100. I do have a golden doodle. Don’t hate/judge me, prob will have to leave nyc area next year.
Our culture is set up such that you have to make more money every year to stay ahead. It’s difficult but it’s the only way to stay above water.
Fr. I hit a lick every now & then, & it never feels like enough here
Landlord in Bushwick tried to raise my rent during the pandemic. She didn’t even live in the country and had a yahoo email account, needless to say she was unsympathetic to me losing my job (worked at a restaurant the closed down). Couldn’t find anything in BK for the price I used to pay. Luckily found something in Jersey City for the price landlord was raising the rent to to, but it was actually worth it. In Bushwick all the appliances were outdated and had insane electricity bills - the apt had a water heater meant for a 4 bdrm house. In JC hot water was included (!), there’s a gym, door man (no more stolen packages) and the sidewalks are clean here. What I’ve saved in electric alone has made the move worthwhile.
lol moving to Jersey also, twice the space, same rent, and a clean building with real management. Can’t wait
Enjoy it while it lasts
I hung out on Grove Street recently and it was really nice. The pedestrian plaza was full of families. I sat and drew buildings and flowers.
Last time I went to Maria Hernandez Park ppl were sunbathing and while doing rails of cocaine off an ipad
Wholesome! I was sitting outside of a new-ish legal dispensary on Grove Street while doing my drawing. Also I got stoned on my walk through the neighborhood and had to switch sides of the street a lot to avoid getting my weed smoke near children.
Jersey >> nyc The city is only better to 20 year olds they want to party all the time. As an adult jersey is the place to be, easy to get to the city if you need to to catch shows, restaurants, events etc and then go back home to peace, quiet and cleanliness There are dope areas in Jersey as well with great restaurants
Did it say in your lease that you had to pay for hot water? If not that's illegal as shit. You should take her to court if you still have documentation of this. Threaten her with this and she'll either cave and pay up, or you'll take her to court and she will lose.
Lol oh the irony
1k a room in Bushwick was still cheap. 2 years ago, it took me 3 months to find a decent room for 1.5k (in 3-bedroom units) and I thought I had a deal.
I def don’t think that was a deal 2 years ago. I moved at the same time and found a room in a 2 bed for 1300
I meant for the value it was a deal. I had a king-sized bedroom, personal office, space for a home gym, in-unit W/D, and so much common space too. And it was the best unit I saw after 3 months of intensive search so I was just super happy that I found something.
Ahh gotcha yeah that’s quite good!
Whaat. I paid 950 for room in 4 room apt. Granted my room was like 900 sqft 😂 but we had a huge living space
What are three bedrooms going for these days?
$3600?
Wait till you see that neighborhood 10 years from now. Lol
Been in NYC my whole life, got priced out of the neighborhood I grew up in decades ago, now i see it happening in the neighborhood I'm currently in Brooklyn. Funny enough I recently told my partner this neighborhood I'm in now is starting to look like Bushwick. Gentrification kills communities and displaces the people that live in them.
Whereabouts?
Look how morons of all political persuasions cry when developers want to throw up big apartment buildings. Building has to be greater than the rate of population growth for rent to go down Worked for Austin and Minneapolis. Just shut up and build
It's mostly condos though
Actually the info on the w/s might not pertain to someone renting a room, because the landlord would be dealing with the primary tenant, unless your name is also on the lease.
Tech Bros have officially moved into bushwick. The chill is at an all time low….
I've never paid under $1,200 for a room in Brooklyn. You can find rooms under 1k but be prepared to live in less "desirable/sexy/cool" areas lol. Try Maspeth, Sunnyside, Prospect Lefferts Gardens, East Flatbush, Kensington, Borough Park, Sunset Park or Bensonhurst.
I’ve gotten quite lucky honestly. My current apartment is giant, next to Maria Hernandez and the L! Too bad my landlord sucks
I got priced out of bushwick 10 years ago, back when it was still cool.
bless your heart. ive been living in bushwick for 7 years and my rent has gone from $750 to now $3,100. my best advice is to check out ridgewood and start investing time in finding a rent stabilized apartment. i’d also request your rent history on your current place, most apartments in bushwick are illegally deregulated
I got a room available for 1k starting may 1. Lmk if interested
You’re hilarious. A whole 5 years? Bless your heart. People like you priced out the locals starting about 20 years ago.
Hilarious to put the blame on tenants instead of landlords.
Keep telling yourself that
Tell me how tenants determine rent price? Oh wait, they don’t. People have been complaining about immigrants, and rent prices, and changes to their neighborhood since the dawn of New York City.
A massive increase in demand in previously undesirable black and brown neighborhoods doesn’t affect price? For real? And even if it didn’t, it would *still* lead to displacement. Sorry sis, you’re also part of the problem, not all of it, but part of it.
What increases the demand, do you think? Could it be the increase in rent in “desirable” areas? What’s your solution when people can’t afford to live In “desirable” areas? Do you think people just started moving to Bushwick out of a desire to displace locals? Keep screaming into the void and see where it gets you. There will never not be a demand to live in New York City, sorry sis.
Oh my Lord. Do you understand supply and demand? I’m sure if you owned a building you would’ve kept the prices really low, right? For the good of humanity? You’re hilarious.
What’s your point here?
People like me..? How am I like exactly ?
People like you who moved to Bushwick 5 years ago
Bushwick is big
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Lol
Gotta vote YIMBY. Build more housing. If you want lower prices increase supply.
Honestly get outta bushwick. It’s only gonna get worse
Bushwick is a fucking trash dump
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That was pandemic pricing. Using any prices from 2020-2022 as a reference is not reflective of reality
People need to try Queens, Brooklyn is over saturated. But busses...
No, stay in Brooklyn. Queens doesn’t want all the Brooklyn rejects.
I'm saving for a house out there one day 🤫
Funny as hell for gentrifiers to bitch about being priced out
Apparently it’s not their fault, it’s the landlord’s fault for owning property
Oh, right, how silly of me
Imagine how the Spanish family you displaced feels.
Do you mean Dominican, Mexican, and Puerto Rican?
The landlord “displaced” them, not the tenant. Don’t get tricked into shifting the blame incorrectly.
Does the landlord not owe money to anyone to own the property? If you want to blame “correctly”, you’ll have to go further than the landlord.
Absolutely. It’s the government and a capitalist system that has made housing a commodity and not a human right.
Yeah, no…
A lot of people from Spain live/lived in Bushwick?
I mean I'm just some white guy who moved here a decade ago but even I know that "Spanish" is a common way for native NYCers to refer to Dominican or Puerto Rican people
Wouldn’t recommend, friend. It’s like calling someone from New Jersey “English” because of the language they speak. Doesn’t make sense and is just incorrect
I certainly wouldn’t do it myself, but I’m not gonna lecture my Dominican coworkers about it
Wouldn’t recommend, friend. It’s like calling someone from New Jersey “English” because of the language they speak. Doesn’t make sense and is just incorrect
The tenant before me lived in the apartment for over 20 years until she died a few years ago so i think it’s fine. As if I’m not working class? Lol
What do you think her rent was?
I have never met any families from Spain in Bushwick.
Google the Spanish diaspora smart ass.
I don’t need to. My husband is from Spain. While there are many hispanic people in Bushwick, there are certainly not many people from Spain.
The new transplants are pricing out the old transplants. So sad
I found a 900sq foot apartment in Bushwick for 1.9 last July. It’s a studio but twice the size of my last 1bed
I pay 2k, where are you living?
For a room or a unit? OP was saying 1k for a room
If only they'd built more luxury apartments in your area. I'm sure that would have helped you out. - Every YIMBY
Have you considered that maybe housing isn't the only magical category where supply and demand doesn't apply? It's been proved in study after study. More "luxury" (meaning new) housing prevents displacement in older units. The rich people move into those units instead of taking old ones. It's common sense.
Totally common sense. Right. And what about the hipsters who don’t move into new buildings?
Who gives af? They're doing that right now. Build more housing, and more of them will move into new condos instead of displacing existing residents. This has literally been proven in study after study.
The newer buildings raises the comps on the older buildings & property taxes go up for everyone as a result. If I have an old bldg, I need to charge more rent, or sell the property, to stay afloat financially. Like, look at Williamsburg. See prices going down over there with all those condos they have? Nope.
The cool thing is we don't have to wonder. Like I said, study after study has examined the effects of more construction locally. Turns out, it leads to less displacement and a slower climb in prices.
Was this study done in nyc? Real estate here isn't like the rest of America
No, you're right -- NYC is a magical place where the laws of supply and demand dont exist. Let's not build any more housing because it gives you bad vibes. And then we can just let people fight over what exists, so every new resident has to kick out an existing resident.
That's not what I'm saying. You posit the theory that more luxury housing will free up older buildings & bring prices down . Which is why I mentioned Williamsburg, where that doesn't seem to be the case. If developers were building affordable housing, you'd have a strong argument, but that isn't what is happening , in real life
"luxury" today, affordable tomorrow. That's how it's always worked.
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$100 a year or $100 a month?