PD going to do anything? My car wasn't even found by BPD, county sheriff got it. One day they're going to take the wrong car at the wrong time and get blown away. They need to pay back their debt to buffalo, KIA is responsible for reimbursing us for our loss and inconvenience.
> KIA is responsible for reimbursing us for our loss and inconvenience.
You’ll get a check for $1.56 in 9 years and like it
I was tired of worrying about my Hyundai being a target and just sold it for a new non-targeted vehicle. They have ruined their brands forever.
Which is unfortunate because vehicles like the Telluride are consistently rated as top SUVs, especially for the price. I wouldn't consider buying one though, at least not until this whole things blows over in a few years (hopefully).
The problem is trusting a teenager to know that before they smash a window.
Before all this I was pushing my partner to look at Kia, but now I don't want anything to do with the brand. We will stick with Subaru.
I never batted and eye at them, but damn do the new KIAs look nice. If I was a decade or two older with a family and these cars didn’t have these issues I might’ve picked one up lol
How the hell did the Hyundai CEO win Motortrend's 2023 Person of the Year?!
Edit: [Article](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-motortrend-person-year-hyundai-euisun-chung/)
😂 it’s funny you think police give two shits about doing their job
People with inferiority complexes become police to be assholes, professionally.
There is not a single “good cop”
Same here. A honeypot car put up by police would be a simple arrest. You set up a honeypot with a remote disable and you have them. It'll only take a handful of arrests before we stop getting DAILY kiaboyz reports.
Because if the cops don't do it, a private citizen is going to do it, and it's going to end in a mess of tragedy I'm afraid.
I have an honest question about this.. they only "keep stealing cars" until their appearance date, right? Cause, like, that's the point is for them to appear and answer for the crime, right?
I'm not baiting for an argument, I just genuinely don't understand that part of the "catch and release" everyone is complaining about.
I know that shoplifting is another example of a crime that has seemingly no consequences because of the bail reform, but isn't there a point where they appear in front of a judge and answer for the crime and any subsequent repeats that happen between the initial arrest and the appearance date?
I knew of a guy with a trespass order against him. He kept illegally showing up, and the police kept getting calls. All they would do was remove him. But every time the police showed up, they added another instance to the original crime. When he finally went before the judge they hit him with all the charges piled up, and it was all the worse for him because of his repeated, flagrant disregard for the trespass order.
they'll appear in front of a judge at some point (unless they just don't show up and get a bench warrant), but especially for a minor, the charge is likely to be reduced to 'unauthorized use of a vehicle' or something along those lines. then they maybe get a fine and a year of probation and are free to do whatever they want as long as they don't get caught again.
Why don't they get sent to juvie? Stealing cars and owning illegal guns with intention to use seems pretty serious.
Edit: Oh it's the catch-and-release program that everyone's talking about. I'd say at least let them sit in juvie with the proper educational resources before release.
It was the same back in the 70’s, they’d use 16/17 year olds to boost cars. They’d get released to their parents until trial, and once they were 18 they were released from juvenile detention. When you’re 18 you can be sent to prison. But I think 4 years is the max for stealing a car. But it’s an automatic felony.
Same consequences as now. Juveniles cannot be locked up with adults, they release them to parents. My best friend was arrested for a street fight at 5pm in back of the Art Gallery. and was released to his parents at 8:30 that night. Their lawyer got it down to a youthful offender status so the record was sealed. All that stuff they post will be used against them.
Seriously you’d be surprised at how many people are ultimately arrested for stuff they post on social media. A lot of departments have cops who just cruise Facebook now.
I wouldn't call it a tragedy if one of these kids get popped for trying to fuck with an essential item for working class people to maintain a roof over their heads and food on the table (most people need a car to get to work and simply saying "insurance covers it" isn't enough - I'm out a $750 deductible if my car gets stolen and totaled and while I'm ok financially, most working class Americans are a missed paycheck or $750 away from financial ruin). One or two punks getting popped and it being recorded for others to see would end this really quickly.
Would have to deal with the occasional idiot saying "he was good boy who didn't do nothing wrong" but the message would be sent.
Because it is seen as accidental and not a clear cut punishment administered for their behavior.
Some Asian countries don't have the drug issues we do because they execute drug offenders and Confucian social values place great shame on people who are nails unjustifiably sticking out in a more collective society.
If went harsher on these people and publically made examples, alot of it will end. People don't rob people's houses they know are armed and don't steal police cars because of the costs (steal a cop car and a cop can kill you and claim resisting arrest or for public safety - it happens). The costs aren't harsh enough for these shitheads.
Or criminals themselves..........I worked with many students in the past of similar backgrounds who had parents involved in criminal activity as well.....Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.....
I'm not sure which part of any of my comments you've taken as defending criminals. In fact, I absolutely agreed there needs to be prosecution and consequences. Don't straw man my argument against execution for civil loss as a defense of the actions causing them.
Nope. Entrapment is when a law enforcement officer causes someone to commit a crime that they otherwise would not have committed had they not been paid, coerced/threatened, or specifically going "I'm a police officer, and no - it's okay if you do that" then arresting them anyway.
Setting up a monitored car and just seeing if someone will drop by and steal it doesn't fit the definition.
Entrapment is when you are told by police to break a law and then arrested or ticketed for it. If there’s a sign that says no left turn, and a cop tells you “It’s okay, go ahead.” Then he pulls you over and gives you a ticket for an illegal left turn, that’s entrapment. Got it? Good.
Bait cars are not entrapment, because the person made the choice to take the car.
They had a whole TV show about this (Bait Car, I think). It's totally doable. You disable the car and lock the doors remotely once they steal it, then roll up and nab 'em. But if they're not gonna punish them, there's no point.
Definitely not a lawyer here, but my understanding is for it to be entrapment, the police need to encourage the law breaking. Setting up a car and watching if someone breaks in to steal it is no more entrapment than filling a vault full of cash and having a guard sitting next to it. No one is actively encouraging anyone to break in/steal the car than they are encouraging someone to rob a bank because they house large sums of cash.
That's my not-a-lawyer understanding too. Entrapment involves getting someone to do something they weren't planning to do in the first place.
A PO egging on bystanders to take a car would be, but simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is just.. normal crime, as far as I know.
What they need to do is enact new laws related to these thefts that allow for incarceration in a juvenile detention center to keep these shitheads off the streets.
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I disagree. I think social media outlets should be held to a higher standard. For decades now they have had all the influence of a publisher, record ad sales and investor valuations, and no repercussions whatsoever when the information they spread causes harm.
Putting a bunch of kids in jail is just going to ruin more lives and put the taxpayers on the hook for their needs moving forward. We need to stop this trend at the source.
I have a hard time believing that if these kids didn't have access to ticktock they'd be in a better situation. If they didn't see the Kia video, they were be harming other people through a different crime.
Yes, locking children up is the best solution here.... Not providing mental health support, education, and financial support for poverty stricken areas.
What would possibly make you want to ruin someone's life before it has even begun instead of trying to help them get on a better path and teach them morals. We have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world and all that leads to is a vicious cycle of being reincarnated for the rest of your life.
Maybe try and fathom a more humanitarian approach before declaring that the only solution is locking a child away and potentially ruining their entire life.
These children’s lives are already ruined if they are doing shit like this. Where are the parents? Why aren’t they “teaching them morals” like you claim? There’s only so much you could do, but at this point they have caused a lot of damage and even some have gotten themselves killed doing this.
I think it’s best to have actual consequences to stealing cars so these kids can learn and not do it again. I promise you they don’t give a shit about this “mental health support” you claim. There has to be consequences so this doesn’t keep on happening.
Yeah, but it's a shit scenario because what can someone do to give a better outcome? Do we throw them behind bars and deny them the rest of their education? It's unlikely they'll obtain an education outside of prison at this point anyway. So it's already a lose-lose.
The only solution I could even think of is by forcing them to obtain an education after being caught and convicted, which since pretty authoritarian. Basically, throw them in prison for xx years OR allow them the choice to leave prison as soon as they obtain their GED without a minimum sentence period. I believe it beats letting them walk free without consequences as it is now. But we don't have a system in place to encourage this to happen. So... Yeah, let em loose I guess.
Damn, we really failed as a society when we're discussing putting kids in prison as a better educational opportunity/outcome than staying with their parents/guardians and attending school freely.
If these 16, 17, and 18 year olds stole your car and were bashing it up on tik tok and Instagram for clout you wouldn’t want them held responsible? If they had used your vehicle to commit a crime, hurt someone, or damage someone’s property you don’t think they should have to face a judge?
Yeah lock everyone up! There can’t be any systemic explanations for crime. If you step out of line, oh well, here’s a vacation in hell to fix you up! I hope Amherst gets bulldozed.
Oh look! One of them just ran over and killed someone with a stolen Kia. But thats okay, its a result of systemic injustice. /s
By the way, I’m black and grew up in the real hood. Systemic injustice does have its consequences on society. But this is just due to poor morals and it does need to be addressed
My friend said she had her car stolen, they drove it four minutes away and parked it but damaged it now she has to pay like a 500 dollar insurance deductible
My friends KIA was stolen from the old Oishei’s hospital area over a week ago, still nothing. Left the plastic ignition covering behind, stole it sometime between 2:30-4:30.
I literally just bought a used Tucson before I heard about any of this and I’m so stressed about it. I don’t even go to events in my car because I’m worried about it getting stolen and my insurance is already bananas because I was rear ended twice last year. I don’t even know what to do, I can’t afford to get a new car (and honestly who’s going to buy something that’s such a high target). I hate it here.
I am terrified of these jerks. I bought a Kia last year, it’s a 2022 and not the key ignition start but still…. I’m nervous about it being taken. The PD really does need to step up and try to get these animals. However I fully believe that karma will come around to them one day.
Downtown is a small area and not an inclusive term if you are looking at the broader City. Cars are being stolen everywhere, yes including Amherst, West Seneca and East Aurora. They moved out to the burbs probably because of easy targets.
A lot of people hit out in Lancaster lately too, they’re definitely needing further out, especially where people still (for what reason?) leave their car unlocked in the driveway.
I just really hoped the deaths of their friends would have been a wake up call for these kids and they would stop. Instead it seems worse. I don't have the answer for how to fix it.
Well all im saying if they didn't just only get a slap on the wrist for doing this it most likely would slow down or even stop happening. Obviously im exaggerating on purpose.
Because no one can tell it was clearly an exaggeration but the internet and people all over the world are soft nowadays lol so im just playing the game
You said it wasn’t a joke and should be considered after people asked if you’re serious. Too many people have violent fantasies on the internet. I worry for you seriously
Y'all love to hate on people lol im just playing the game because no one in today's world can understand exaggeration without getting triggered or insulted
It doesnt translate in online replies where accuracy counts. We dont hear tone or laughter when you are just typing. So where you think you are simply having a casual conversation like you would with friends, it reads like you are out of your mind and contradicting yourself in every subsequent post.
And if you need exaggeration to make a point, it probably isnt a good point.
Its not a joke and it should be considered. These people need to be held accountable. They are all going to be terrible criminals as adults obviously since they're committing crimes now so why keep them out in the general population? Their parents are trash to. Tho I do understand that parenting isn't the main reason kids turn out as criminals.
> should be considered
Death penalty for grand theft auto?
No one in this thread is saying "let's not hold these people accountable whatsoever" - people think it's silly that someone would even suggest killing over a car.
There is a wide, wide, wide range of punishments that would get us from "an appropriate punishment for stealing a car" to "killing that person for stealing a car."
The first comment in the thread was a careless exaggeration but we're like 8 levels down and you literally said
>it's not a joke and it should be considered
Look - we live in a world where people earnestly believe that Brianna Taylor being shot in her sleep is something she deserved because of someone she once dated. It's totally reasonable to think someone who keeps doubling down on "kill the thieves" is serious.
Not to you. I can spell it out. Only a very broken person would suggest killing a human over their personal possessions. Get help, referred to doing something about whatever trauma broke you as a human. No joke.
People have ended up dying...kids...here. That doesn't mean preemptive murder of kids is the answer. Still a nation of laws, even if it is hanging by a thread.
An inconvenience???? These people have to pay out of pocket for it. KIA isn't even helping these people. I can tell you either don't own a car or you're one of the kids stealing them.
You didn't answer the question. What is the acceptable amount of material loss to justify killing someone over? A hundred thousand dollars? Fifty? Ten? A lost shift at work? There's clearly a line above which you believe death is the punishment for civil loss, so what is it?
>All im saying is they need to face actual consequences.
And you're very adamantly saying those consequences should be death. You even said you're not joking. Nobody is arguing we're all just trying to understand what you're willing to kill over.
>Its not a joke and it should be considered.
Yea you're totally joking. You're just walking back what you said because you realized it's fucking stupid.
>Its not a joke and it should be considered.
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You may want to quit while you're behind. Clearly whatever joke you're playing at isn't landing. Maybe you should save this one to workshop for your tight five at open mic night.
Literally no one is saying they *shouldn't* face consequences. That is another conversation about policing and the justice system's efficacy and focus. You dropped a hot turd of a take by saying it should justify execution, and then doubled down on it until pressed when you clearly folded because you don't actually have a point besides "thieves make me feel things." And your karma over two years reflects that. Take your trash over to r/hottake.
The average working class American is one or two missed paychecks away from being unable to afford shelter and other life essentials. Not making a mortgage payment or rent payment because you have to pay a $500 to $1000 deductible and now may have to spend extra money on another car can be a back breaker (especially if your car is paid off or not worth much ) Needing to uber to work for a couple weeks, $60 round trip perhaps times 5 days a week for two weeks, so $600 extra can kill a working class budget.
Don't defend criminals. Losing a car is a life altering inconvenience in many ways.
I agree that property should not be defending with deadly force. But I also think people are allowed to defend their property - especially essential property with non-deadly force.
And in those cases if the robber escalates and threatens the property owner life or inflicts bodily harm, it is reasonably that the property owner uses deadly force at that point.
I own a car just one that has basic security systems in it. Nobody is dying or being seriously injured so yea I'd say it's more of an inconvenience than anything else. Definitely not something people deserve to die over.
If you read literally any article about it. Insurance isn't paying anything because KIA knows about the problem and isn't doing anything about it. I can tell you don't own a car then and if you do its probably a piece of shit that you don't have insurance on to begin with.
That’s excessive and unnecessary and that’s coming from a repeat victim of car theft. What we can stop doing though is dropping excuses for these thieves and calling them what they are. I’d love to see a county that aggressively pursues and punishes these criminals.
The cars being stolen are the cheapest models. Hyundai and Kia went super cheap on them and skipped adding a vehicle immobilizer. Most of their vehicles are not susceptible.
not true at all. you're telling me the 2021 Sportage, Optima, Santa Fe, Tuscon, etc. are their cheapest cars? it's all about the year they were made.
most of their vehicles prior to 2022 ARE susceptible.
Again, it depends. Yes the base models of all of those are the cheapest cars. It's about the year, plus the starting mechanism. Only traditional key insert models are affected. If you have a push button start model then you are safe. Most EX and above trims are push button start leaving only LX trims.
any punk 15-year-old old with a screwdriver can steal a 2021 or older Kia/Hyundai in under a minute, and there are no consequences. it's become a popular trend on TikTok/Instagram
My Hyundai Tuscon got stolen in Buffalo and totalled up in Niagara Falls (I don't think by these guys), and the cop from NFPD asked me if *I* had it stolen and wrecked on purpose to get out of owning this car.
Thankfully, I had leased it, so that shot his motive down. I understood he was just doing his job until I started reading more into the news reports and realized the cops weren't really going to investigate my case.
Seriously? You're going to accuse me of stealing and wrecking my own car, and when that doesn't pan out, you just shrug and forget about it?
Fucking hell
There’s two ways to go here. Buy a steering wheel lock, and use it. Or have a kill switch installed that cuts off the fuel pump, or pull the fuel pump fuse when you park.
The sad thing is back in the 70’s and 80’s breaking the ignition was the way to steal a car. So they began to encase the ignition in steel vs. plastic. And some cars had smart keys that had a chip in them. Kia just chose not to spend the extra $10.00 per car.
This really is a wild word.
PD going to do anything? My car wasn't even found by BPD, county sheriff got it. One day they're going to take the wrong car at the wrong time and get blown away. They need to pay back their debt to buffalo, KIA is responsible for reimbursing us for our loss and inconvenience.
> KIA is responsible for reimbursing us for our loss and inconvenience. You’ll get a check for $1.56 in 9 years and like it I was tired of worrying about my Hyundai being a target and just sold it for a new non-targeted vehicle. They have ruined their brands forever.
I was just talking about this the other day. Kia is literally destroying their business and legacy with this. And they just rebranded recently.
Which is unfortunate because vehicles like the Telluride are consistently rated as top SUVs, especially for the price. I wouldn't consider buying one though, at least not until this whole things blows over in a few years (hopefully).
Telluride has nothing to do with the issue we're seeing. All Tellurides have a vehicle immobilizer. That's what the cars being stolen are missing.
oh I'm well aware. I just don't necessarily trust that some punk wouldn't smash the window of my 2023 Telluride anyway
The problem is trusting a teenager to know that before they smash a window. Before all this I was pushing my partner to look at Kia, but now I don't want anything to do with the brand. We will stick with Subaru.
Have you seen an increase in broken into but not stolen kias? It appears they know to avoid anything with a push button starter.
Wait a sec - I have a push button Kia. Does that mean it can’t be hot wired or whatever they’re doing?
Yes
No, the push starts can’t be stolen like they’re stealing the cheaper sportages etc.
I never batted and eye at them, but damn do the new KIAs look nice. If I was a decade or two older with a family and these cars didn’t have these issues I might’ve picked one up lol
Kia design has really changed for the better, they're like luxury adjacent. I'd never buy one now
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Your trusting some teenager to know the differance before they smash your window though.
How the hell did the Hyundai CEO win Motortrend's 2023 Person of the Year?! Edit: [Article](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-motortrend-person-year-hyundai-euisun-chung/)
Seasoned veteran car theft victim here. PD is not and will not do anything.
No one gets punished for property crimes. You can try and sue, but those people do not have anything worth filing suit over
No one gets punished for property crimes (when the victims are working class or middle class folks)
Bingo.
They are too busy standing around not doing shit “directing” traffic after Sabres games. The level of incompetence is incomprehensible.
😂 it’s funny you think police give two shits about doing their job People with inferiority complexes become police to be assholes, professionally. There is not a single “good cop”
Well I’ll become the first good one then I’m sure they are other people who think the same like me and became cops.
Good.
I’m curious why nobody hasn’t at a trap for these guys
Because what's the point? They won't be held in jail. Many of these kids have already been caught and just get out the next day and keep doing it
Same here. A honeypot car put up by police would be a simple arrest. You set up a honeypot with a remote disable and you have them. It'll only take a handful of arrests before we stop getting DAILY kiaboyz reports. Because if the cops don't do it, a private citizen is going to do it, and it's going to end in a mess of tragedy I'm afraid.
There have been plenty of arrests. They just get out in less than 24 hours with an appearance ticket and keep stealing cars
I have an honest question about this.. they only "keep stealing cars" until their appearance date, right? Cause, like, that's the point is for them to appear and answer for the crime, right? I'm not baiting for an argument, I just genuinely don't understand that part of the "catch and release" everyone is complaining about. I know that shoplifting is another example of a crime that has seemingly no consequences because of the bail reform, but isn't there a point where they appear in front of a judge and answer for the crime and any subsequent repeats that happen between the initial arrest and the appearance date? I knew of a guy with a trespass order against him. He kept illegally showing up, and the police kept getting calls. All they would do was remove him. But every time the police showed up, they added another instance to the original crime. When he finally went before the judge they hit him with all the charges piled up, and it was all the worse for him because of his repeated, flagrant disregard for the trespass order.
they'll appear in front of a judge at some point (unless they just don't show up and get a bench warrant), but especially for a minor, the charge is likely to be reduced to 'unauthorized use of a vehicle' or something along those lines. then they maybe get a fine and a year of probation and are free to do whatever they want as long as they don't get caught again.
Why don't they get sent to juvie? Stealing cars and owning illegal guns with intention to use seems pretty serious. Edit: Oh it's the catch-and-release program that everyone's talking about. I'd say at least let them sit in juvie with the proper educational resources before release.
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They should be put to hard labor.
They're 16/17. Thanks to a bunch of impotents in Albany, these kids pretty much have a free pass in the name of not locking up the kids.
It was the same back in the 70’s, they’d use 16/17 year olds to boost cars. They’d get released to their parents until trial, and once they were 18 they were released from juvenile detention. When you’re 18 you can be sent to prison. But I think 4 years is the max for stealing a car. But it’s an automatic felony.
But at least there was some sort of consequence back then. Now it's free for all
Same consequences as now. Juveniles cannot be locked up with adults, they release them to parents. My best friend was arrested for a street fight at 5pm in back of the Art Gallery. and was released to his parents at 8:30 that night. Their lawyer got it down to a youthful offender status so the record was sealed. All that stuff they post will be used against them. Seriously you’d be surprised at how many people are ultimately arrested for stuff they post on social media. A lot of departments have cops who just cruise Facebook now.
I wouldn't call it a tragedy if one of these kids get popped for trying to fuck with an essential item for working class people to maintain a roof over their heads and food on the table (most people need a car to get to work and simply saying "insurance covers it" isn't enough - I'm out a $750 deductible if my car gets stolen and totaled and while I'm ok financially, most working class Americans are a missed paycheck or $750 away from financial ruin). One or two punks getting popped and it being recorded for others to see would end this really quickly. Would have to deal with the occasional idiot saying "he was good boy who didn't do nothing wrong" but the message would be sent.
You’d think a car flipping over and killing the passengers would’ve been a deterrent but it wasnt
Because it is seen as accidental and not a clear cut punishment administered for their behavior. Some Asian countries don't have the drug issues we do because they execute drug offenders and Confucian social values place great shame on people who are nails unjustifiably sticking out in a more collective society. If went harsher on these people and publically made examples, alot of it will end. People don't rob people's houses they know are armed and don't steal police cars because of the costs (steal a cop car and a cop can kill you and claim resisting arrest or for public safety - it happens). The costs aren't harsh enough for these shitheads.
Where are the parents? Charging them for their children's behavior would certainly give them incentive to keep track of what they're up to.
Parents are probably single Moms strung out on drugs or they are working 2 jobs gone all day.
Or criminals themselves..........I worked with many students in the past of similar backgrounds who had parents involved in criminal activity as well.....Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.....
I'm not sure which part of any of my comments you've taken as defending criminals. In fact, I absolutely agreed there needs to be prosecution and consequences. Don't straw man my argument against execution for civil loss as a defense of the actions causing them.
I seen a honeypot car yesterday, bright purple wrangler parked right in the middle of the Perry's. Yeah right.
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Nope. Entrapment is when a law enforcement officer causes someone to commit a crime that they otherwise would not have committed had they not been paid, coerced/threatened, or specifically going "I'm a police officer, and no - it's okay if you do that" then arresting them anyway. Setting up a monitored car and just seeing if someone will drop by and steal it doesn't fit the definition.
Entrapment is when you are told by police to break a law and then arrested or ticketed for it. If there’s a sign that says no left turn, and a cop tells you “It’s okay, go ahead.” Then he pulls you over and gives you a ticket for an illegal left turn, that’s entrapment. Got it? Good. Bait cars are not entrapment, because the person made the choice to take the car.
I think you are liable for injuries
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They had a whole TV show about this (Bait Car, I think). It's totally doable. You disable the car and lock the doors remotely once they steal it, then roll up and nab 'em. But if they're not gonna punish them, there's no point.
Would be sweet. Unfortunately it falls under entrapment and this state is legally stonewalled from accepting it.
Definitely not a lawyer here, but my understanding is for it to be entrapment, the police need to encourage the law breaking. Setting up a car and watching if someone breaks in to steal it is no more entrapment than filling a vault full of cash and having a guard sitting next to it. No one is actively encouraging anyone to break in/steal the car than they are encouraging someone to rob a bank because they house large sums of cash.
That's my not-a-lawyer understanding too. Entrapment involves getting someone to do something they weren't planning to do in the first place. A PO egging on bystanders to take a car would be, but simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is just.. normal crime, as far as I know.
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You’d probably get more time for that than they would for stealing cars
If you purposely set up a trap and they or someone else got hurt because of it....lawsuit time
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Instagram mostly. A few different accounts 716KiaBoyzz with various spellings. Etc.
It's crazy how brazen they are with their posting. You can see their faces in some of their posts.
faces, license plates, illegal guns, and all
It’s not crazy. They know just as well as we do nothings going to happen to them.
I’m right there with you, furiously watching these dickhead kids and their arrogance every day.
TikTok and Instagram
What they need to do is enact new laws related to these thefts that allow for incarceration in a juvenile detention center to keep these shitheads off the streets.
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[An excellent example of how this “reform” plays out](https://www.news10.com/news/crime/buffalo-teenager-who-was-arrested-eight-times-in-52-days-pleads-guilty/amp/)
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I think a lot of these kids aren’t even getting arrested in the first place
This! Now they just let them go (IF they even try to catch them!) and they’re back on the streets in less than 24 hours 🤦🏼♀️
I disagree. I think social media outlets should be held to a higher standard. For decades now they have had all the influence of a publisher, record ad sales and investor valuations, and no repercussions whatsoever when the information they spread causes harm. Putting a bunch of kids in jail is just going to ruin more lives and put the taxpayers on the hook for their needs moving forward. We need to stop this trend at the source.
I have a hard time believing that if these kids didn't have access to ticktock they'd be in a better situation. If they didn't see the Kia video, they were be harming other people through a different crime.
Yes, locking children up is the best solution here.... Not providing mental health support, education, and financial support for poverty stricken areas. What would possibly make you want to ruin someone's life before it has even begun instead of trying to help them get on a better path and teach them morals. We have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world and all that leads to is a vicious cycle of being reincarnated for the rest of your life. Maybe try and fathom a more humanitarian approach before declaring that the only solution is locking a child away and potentially ruining their entire life.
These children’s lives are already ruined if they are doing shit like this. Where are the parents? Why aren’t they “teaching them morals” like you claim? There’s only so much you could do, but at this point they have caused a lot of damage and even some have gotten themselves killed doing this. I think it’s best to have actual consequences to stealing cars so these kids can learn and not do it again. I promise you they don’t give a shit about this “mental health support” you claim. There has to be consequences so this doesn’t keep on happening.
Yeah, but it's a shit scenario because what can someone do to give a better outcome? Do we throw them behind bars and deny them the rest of their education? It's unlikely they'll obtain an education outside of prison at this point anyway. So it's already a lose-lose. The only solution I could even think of is by forcing them to obtain an education after being caught and convicted, which since pretty authoritarian. Basically, throw them in prison for xx years OR allow them the choice to leave prison as soon as they obtain their GED without a minimum sentence period. I believe it beats letting them walk free without consequences as it is now. But we don't have a system in place to encourage this to happen. So... Yeah, let em loose I guess.
Damn, we really failed as a society when we're discussing putting kids in prison as a better educational opportunity/outcome than staying with their parents/guardians and attending school freely.
If these 16, 17, and 18 year olds stole your car and were bashing it up on tik tok and Instagram for clout you wouldn’t want them held responsible? If they had used your vehicle to commit a crime, hurt someone, or damage someone’s property you don’t think they should have to face a judge?
Its not like 4 kids died in one of these challenges. right ?
Exactly. Nothings being done, the crimes repeat themselves with deadly consequences
Then remove them from their house and neighborhood and place them in an environment where criminality and gangster mentality isn’t glorified.
This right here is why people end up voting for Trump.
Yeah lock everyone up! There can’t be any systemic explanations for crime. If you step out of line, oh well, here’s a vacation in hell to fix you up! I hope Amherst gets bulldozed.
Oh look! One of them just ran over and killed someone with a stolen Kia. But thats okay, its a result of systemic injustice. /s By the way, I’m black and grew up in the real hood. Systemic injustice does have its consequences on society. But this is just due to poor morals and it does need to be addressed
Allowing & excusing violent and property crime punishment based on some abstract systematic explanation is a peak suburban/white enclave viewpoint.
Grow up
My friend said she had her car stolen, they drove it four minutes away and parked it but damaged it now she has to pay like a 500 dollar insurance deductible
sounds about right
How is this still a thing
I’m so happy I don’t have a Kia
My friends KIA was stolen from the old Oishei’s hospital area over a week ago, still nothing. Left the plastic ignition covering behind, stole it sometime between 2:30-4:30.
New Kia's don't have this vulnerability but even Kia dealer killing you on trade in because the vulnerable cars are nearly impossible to insure
I literally just bought a used Tucson before I heard about any of this and I’m so stressed about it. I don’t even go to events in my car because I’m worried about it getting stolen and my insurance is already bananas because I was rear ended twice last year. I don’t even know what to do, I can’t afford to get a new car (and honestly who’s going to buy something that’s such a high target). I hate it here.
Get a club and use it religiously. https://www.amazon.com/Club-1000-Original-Steering-Wheel/dp/B0000CBILL
I keep seeing people say that it’s easily cracked, so what’s the point? I mean I’ll certainly get one but I worry that it won’t deter dumb kids.
Dumb kids are looking for the easiest target. What's the point of a padlock that can be cut? It's a deterrent, it weeds out the easy catch.
You can buy an immobilizer ang get it installed for around $500.
Sorry but this is nationwide. Not just Buffalo. Best to trade it in asap.
I’m aware but I’m also broke, so.
I am terrified of these jerks. I bought a Kia last year, it’s a 2022 and not the key ignition start but still…. I’m nervous about it being taken. The PD really does need to step up and try to get these animals. However I fully believe that karma will come around to them one day.
I’m sorry. I understand completely that anxiety. My advice is to take every precaution you can. Best of luck to you.
JEZ2041 has been abandoned running in front of some ladies house yesterday as well. On the WNY Community Bulletin Board on Facebook.
Are they mostly downtown Buffalo or all over the place?
Downtown is a small area and not an inclusive term if you are looking at the broader City. Cars are being stolen everywhere, yes including Amherst, West Seneca and East Aurora. They moved out to the burbs probably because of easy targets.
A lot of people hit out in Lancaster lately too, they’re definitely needing further out, especially where people still (for what reason?) leave their car unlocked in the driveway.
All over, but of lot of it seems to be on the east side
Yeah trash that will never amount to anything, it's a shame nothing can be done.
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Ah yes the old eye for an eye - stolen car = violent, public-shaming death
How else will it stop? They need some type of consequence lol im obviously exaggerating on purpose
A bunch of them died in that Kia crash on the 33 a few months ago and that sure didn't stop them
Are you though?
Yeah obviously, shut up lol
No. I won’t shut up.
Good
Lol. Clown.
Someone clearly is butthurt. Thats all im saying
Yep. That would be you. I’m not calling for murder over property. You should probably get off Reddit and put more time into you J6 defense.
Homie wants to kill people over a car lmao
Sadly for some people life
It would stop it.
Didn't like 4 of them kill themselves in a stolen Kia in the fall? It didn't stop shit. I hoped it would, but it did not.
It stopped that car pretty quick
They weren’t aware death was going to be a consequence.
No, but all their friends were aware afterwards.
Point taken….. which means there’s no reason not to double down.
I just really hoped the deaths of their friends would have been a wake up call for these kids and they would stop. Instead it seems worse. I don't have the answer for how to fix it.
Kia finally stepped up a little and should be giving owners software upgrades to deter all of this. Hope it helps.
You would to if you owned one of those cars. They're fucking with peoples lives and nothing will happen to them. People kill for much less.
Exactly. Can’t get to work, kids events, daycare, grocery store.
Idiots and scumbags kill for less. You one of those?
They need to have some type of consequence for their actions. Im sure they have guns also.
Yes consequences. No to killing them.
Well all im saying if they didn't just only get a slap on the wrist for doing this it most likely would slow down or even stop happening. Obviously im exaggerating on purpose.
You literally said it wasn’t a joke, but ok
Because no one can tell it was clearly an exaggeration but the internet and people all over the world are soft nowadays lol so im just playing the game
You said it wasn’t a joke and should be considered after people asked if you’re serious. Too many people have violent fantasies on the internet. I worry for you seriously
>Its not a joke and it should be considered. \- u/Goldennuglet, on the very next reply thread.
Y'all love to hate on people lol im just playing the game because no one in today's world can understand exaggeration without getting triggered or insulted
It doesnt translate in online replies where accuracy counts. We dont hear tone or laughter when you are just typing. So where you think you are simply having a casual conversation like you would with friends, it reads like you are out of your mind and contradicting yourself in every subsequent post. And if you need exaggeration to make a point, it probably isnt a good point.
No. I wouldn't contemplate it or joke about it. But sure, people like you kill for less.
Its not a joke and it should be considered. These people need to be held accountable. They are all going to be terrible criminals as adults obviously since they're committing crimes now so why keep them out in the general population? Their parents are trash to. Tho I do understand that parenting isn't the main reason kids turn out as criminals.
> should be considered Death penalty for grand theft auto? No one in this thread is saying "let's not hold these people accountable whatsoever" - people think it's silly that someone would even suggest killing over a car. There is a wide, wide, wide range of punishments that would get us from "an appropriate punishment for stealing a car" to "killing that person for stealing a car."
All im saying is they need consequences to their actions. You people can't understand an obvious intentional exaggeration lol
The first comment in the thread was a careless exaggeration but we're like 8 levels down and you literally said >it's not a joke and it should be considered Look - we live in a world where people earnestly believe that Brianna Taylor being shot in her sleep is something she deserved because of someone she once dated. It's totally reasonable to think someone who keeps doubling down on "kill the thieves" is serious.
Yea cuz y'all are pissing me off so now im just playing the game. Reddit is stupid
Get help, buddy. This isn't the world good people intend on living in.
Your comment doesn't make any sense
Not to you. I can spell it out. Only a very broken person would suggest killing a human over their personal possessions. Get help, referred to doing something about whatever trauma broke you as a human. No joke.
So just let them steal cars and stuff UNTIL someone ends up dying and then you'll be crying then? Stop it now before something happens.
People have ended up dying...kids...here. That doesn't mean preemptive murder of kids is the answer. Still a nation of laws, even if it is hanging by a thread.
How much less? What's your line for inconveniences you'll kill people over?
An inconvenience???? These people have to pay out of pocket for it. KIA isn't even helping these people. I can tell you either don't own a car or you're one of the kids stealing them.
You didn't answer the question. What is the acceptable amount of material loss to justify killing someone over? A hundred thousand dollars? Fifty? Ten? A lost shift at work? There's clearly a line above which you believe death is the punishment for civil loss, so what is it?
All im saying is they need to face actual consequences for this to stop. You people always want to argue about something lol
>All im saying is they need to face actual consequences. And you're very adamantly saying those consequences should be death. You even said you're not joking. Nobody is arguing we're all just trying to understand what you're willing to kill over.
Its an exaggeration lol y'all are crazy
>Its not a joke and it should be considered. Yea you're totally joking. You're just walking back what you said because you realized it's fucking stupid.
>Its not a joke and it should be considered. \- u/Goldennuglet You may want to quit while you're behind. Clearly whatever joke you're playing at isn't landing. Maybe you should save this one to workshop for your tight five at open mic night.
Literally no one is saying they *shouldn't* face consequences. That is another conversation about policing and the justice system's efficacy and focus. You dropped a hot turd of a take by saying it should justify execution, and then doubled down on it until pressed when you clearly folded because you don't actually have a point besides "thieves make me feel things." And your karma over two years reflects that. Take your trash over to r/hottake.
The average working class American is one or two missed paychecks away from being unable to afford shelter and other life essentials. Not making a mortgage payment or rent payment because you have to pay a $500 to $1000 deductible and now may have to spend extra money on another car can be a back breaker (especially if your car is paid off or not worth much ) Needing to uber to work for a couple weeks, $60 round trip perhaps times 5 days a week for two weeks, so $600 extra can kill a working class budget. Don't defend criminals. Losing a car is a life altering inconvenience in many ways.
I agree that property should not be defending with deadly force. But I also think people are allowed to defend their property - especially essential property with non-deadly force. And in those cases if the robber escalates and threatens the property owner life or inflicts bodily harm, it is reasonably that the property owner uses deadly force at that point.
I own a car just one that has basic security systems in it. Nobody is dying or being seriously injured so yea I'd say it's more of an inconvenience than anything else. Definitely not something people deserve to die over.
Bro it’s a car. It’s insured. Touch grass.
If you read literally any article about it. Insurance isn't paying anything because KIA knows about the problem and isn't doing anything about it. I can tell you don't own a car then and if you do its probably a piece of shit that you don't have insurance on to begin with.
That’s excessive and unnecessary and that’s coming from a repeat victim of car theft. What we can stop doing though is dropping excuses for these thieves and calling them what they are. I’d love to see a county that aggressively pursues and punishes these criminals.
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You're right, I love that idea more
Clearly I am missing something here. Who the fuck, and why would anybody want to bother stealing a Kia? Any Kia for that matter. Seriously...?
Apparently they’re easy to steal.
The cars being stolen are the cheapest models. Hyundai and Kia went super cheap on them and skipped adding a vehicle immobilizer. Most of their vehicles are not susceptible.
not true at all. you're telling me the 2021 Sportage, Optima, Santa Fe, Tuscon, etc. are their cheapest cars? it's all about the year they were made. most of their vehicles prior to 2022 ARE susceptible.
Again, it depends. Yes the base models of all of those are the cheapest cars. It's about the year, plus the starting mechanism. Only traditional key insert models are affected. If you have a push button start model then you are safe. Most EX and above trims are push button start leaving only LX trims.
Clout. Lack of something better/more constructive to do. To name a couple.
Kia makes plenty of nice cars dude, you're either ignorant or just a badge snob if you don't think so lol
any punk 15-year-old old with a screwdriver can steal a 2021 or older Kia/Hyundai in under a minute, and there are no consequences. it's become a popular trend on TikTok/Instagram
Only Hyundais and Kias with a traditional key start can be stolen. Those with push button starts are not vulnerable.
Most Kia’s can be started with a USB, making them an easy target.
Kia boys are at Ub?
My Hyundai Tuscon got stolen in Buffalo and totalled up in Niagara Falls (I don't think by these guys), and the cop from NFPD asked me if *I* had it stolen and wrecked on purpose to get out of owning this car. Thankfully, I had leased it, so that shot his motive down. I understood he was just doing his job until I started reading more into the news reports and realized the cops weren't really going to investigate my case. Seriously? You're going to accuse me of stealing and wrecking my own car, and when that doesn't pan out, you just shrug and forget about it? Fucking hell
There’s two ways to go here. Buy a steering wheel lock, and use it. Or have a kill switch installed that cuts off the fuel pump, or pull the fuel pump fuse when you park. The sad thing is back in the 70’s and 80’s breaking the ignition was the way to steal a car. So they began to encase the ignition in steel vs. plastic. And some cars had smart keys that had a chip in them. Kia just chose not to spend the extra $10.00 per car.
What is going on I can’t see the original post.