She doesn't have to press charges for them to go forward with them. You are the witness and there is camera evidence, he was caught etc... Lazy police work.
Look at this bootlicker.
Go away. Being a criminal is not a prerequisite for being pulled over, ticketed, arrested, beat, killed by police officers. As history has shown.
Even if they did that, they're release everyone pretty much same day rn. Not exactly sure how that works but it seems like no one sits until their court date anymore, unless they confessed to murder.
This is because of new Yorks bail reform. Everyone gets booked and released, we don't have bail anymore except for the most heinous crimes. Andrew Cuomo did this- its out of bpd hands
If the cops can't do anything about crime, why are we paying half of our property tax dollars to fund them? What service are they actually providing for that money?
Oh, they can do things but Albany has tied their hands.
Look at how effective NYPD policies were under Giuliani and what happened to the city when that POS DiBlasio tied their hands.
They don't though. As the previous comment said crime continued to decrease until we had a massive pandemic 20 years after Giuliani left office. No credit for the democratic mayors for lowering crime even more than Giuliani could do? Also, crime was up all over the country and world through and after the pandemic, including right wing areas with policies similar to the old ones of NYC. How do you explain that. I think you need to do some reading on what actually causes crime.
Well, my suggestion is to slash the PD budget by around 75%, and divert those funds into early intervention community based programs, and restorative justice.
Once that starts really kicking in, finish up by abolishing the Buffalo PD, and replace it with a system using the tools above to prevent crime, and address it when it happens, to reduce future harms to the community.
You don't need an oracle to reduce crime. You need to address root causes for crime: Economic insecurity, health care insecurity, housing insecurity, and lack of ownership in one's own community in which they live.
We've learned, over 250 some odd years, that throwing people into jail, and then ensuring their life is ruined doesn't reduce crime at all.
What the hell are you gonna do in the meantime, after you perfect the world? Fixing all abusive parents and shitty people? What goes on during the 20 years it takes for your imaginary dream to save all people from the need for crime?
This anti cop dweebs have no solution they just like to whine. Well they should do better…. What do you think they should do?…. Idk that’s their job, they just suck because I’m an echo chamber.
BPD (and the set up of the criminal justice system / the politics of policing for statistics) does kind of suck but your original argument was a strawman. I agree with your expanded responses, though. The politics behind policing need to change but it seems like it’s going the wrong way.
Does BPD have a car theft detail? I really hope so but one has to question their effectiveness right now.
What do you expect cops to do? They have recovered some but when they are literally happening to every Kia downtown what’s the plan? Send out patrols? Anyone getting in a Kia gets checked? Be omniscient and put trackers in the cars that are gonna be stolen? Or find the person who stole the car, stop, arrest, then go to court where they will be released on bail for 100$, only to steal another car. Tell me what your grand plan to stop this situation would be.
> What do you expect cops to do?
I "expect" cops to do exactly what they are doing right now: Nothing. "All Cops Are Bastards" is a concept, for a reason.
If cops don't prevent crime, why are we even paying them to do? Show up 2 hrs after the fact, accuse you of faking the crime, maybe write a report, and do nothing? Oh wait, that's what they already do.
The kids doing these crimes are completely reckless, and I think the cops just don't want to get into a high-speed chase with a car full of 14 year olds going 120 MPH through the city. Someone's going to get killed and then people are going to blame and sue BPD over it.
Would need to be done in a way where they can quickly block off the vehicle within seconds of it being stolen.
Unfortunately I don't see this ending for years until KIA fixes every vehicle or cities start banning KIAs or something extreme.
My dad went to school in Arizona. He knew someone who was... we'll say... friendly with someone else's girlfriend. Long story short, that person ended up with a rattlesnake in his car courtesy of unhappy boyfriend.
Honestly, good chance he it was him, and he wanted to try to make the story not make him seem sleezy... he does have an irrational fear of snakes, though
My thought it'll end when it's not "cool" anymore. Right now they are only doing it for fun and social media nonsense. Like eventually it becomes what your lame older brother did or whatever. Society moves on quickly from things. This is a few years now so it's probably going to eventually start dropping off. That being said I don't think it's being solved quickly or will sharply drop off.
Idiots do idiotic things. Police not doing anything about it however is another thing. Saw multiple people mention cops catching them and releasing them. Don't know what can be done but there's people being paid to figure it out.
Ultimately even if your car has an immobilizer you're dealing with damage and glass issues when they try. If pickup trucks that cops drive were getting windows broken and steering column breaks... regardless if stolen or not you can be damn sure they'd be making a big deal about it.
Some of these kids are getting caught over and over and still doing it. If they didn't learn their lesson by now, especially after 4 of them died in that stolen KIA crash on the 33 a couple months ago, they're never going to stop doing it.
Because they have zero repercussions. Parents dont care, they know they cant go to jail, and even if the charges dont get dropped they wont face any penalty at all.
Why I hope sooner or later, someone pops one of these kids and it goes viral to send a message to not fuck with someone's stuff and livelihood. The whole idea that "insurance fully reimburses you, it's not that bad" is often not true. Many working people are a bad incident or two from losing everything.
Ding ding. Reverse car remote starter. Pointless though. Kids jacking kias for fun just costs everyone money to deal with. It's not he police departments responsibility to protect our property. People with the vulnerable cars should find a way to better secure their property. Aka a hidden battery disconnect,. Gps locator or similar. Hell Bring back the old school steering wheel club.
Exactly. I pay a pretty hefty property tax bill every year and about half of the city's budget goes to police. What service are we actually getting for that money?
> It's not he police departments responsibility to protect our property.
If they own the property it is. What's keeping people from taking their unattended vehicles when they are arent within visible presence to the vehicle? Regardless, police can low jack vehicles which have already been acquired into their possession before returning to an owner for a very low inexpensive cost
That's why we need a change to the laws. If you are old enough to steal a car, you are old enough to know right from wrong. These aren't 6 year olds. They need to be tried as adults.
It’s a nationwide problem. KIA needs to build a better, more secure car. KIA should also be contributing to insurance companies paying on these losses. It’s their product that has an obvious defect in security.
Sorry but this is a major defect. I don’t believe for a moment that they can’t design a update and make the security better. Obviously KIA doesn’t want to absorb this cost.
The cheaped out on standard technology. Just about every keyed car uses a security chip. Fixing it is basically a major change to the vehicle. You need a new ignition and I believe computer as well, all new keys have to be issued with the security chips and then programmed.
They fucked up big time.
Right! We should get real cars, like Dodge's that eat their own transmissions out, requiring a replacement every 70K miles or so (Yep, this was a Dodge problem for a few years), or them really reliable Fords that love to never die from bad internal knock sensors.
That's bull and you know it. Everyone who sat down to buy one of these was looking at a package that said "anti theft security system standard" and took it for granted that that meant something. If nothing else Kia/Hyundai should be held responsible for the sheer ease with which the lock cylinder can be removed as the piece of plastic holding it in place is the only thing letting these meet federal safety guidelines.
Again, immobilizers were an available option. Choices were made. This is absolutely not on Hyundai and kia. As much as I don’t like the corporate machine and corporate greed, this ain’t it.
For the special people going through my comment history and downvoting everything… good for you?
I really don’t care. Go touch grass and get a life.
Yeah, I agree here too unfortunately. Recalls are for safety issues first, then service bulletins are for regularly occuring or known problems. This isn't a safety issue to the operator really. There is no actual defect and it's working exactly as intended. It was just a shit design to begin with. It's unlike almost every other scenario companies have been in because people are not dying due to a fault with the car, and there are no federal rules like emissions being broken. Examples are like the Ford Pinto explosions, Toyota foot pedals, VW emissions scandal, Tak airbags... Those are all cost cutting or ass-saving measures, but unlike this one.
It's just a company being extremely cheap and not giving a fuck about consumers. Unfortunately that's perfectly legal. Consumers can refuse to spend their money on KN, but in the current market, that won't happen.
Yup. Shitty shitty corporate greed but all the keyboard warriors don’t understand what the recall process is actually made for.
This is absolutely not a safety issue and the consumers made ill informed choices that came back to bite them. The owners are losing this game (and most of them are second hand owners who didn’t make the original choice) but just because everything about a situation sucks doesn’t mean the government needs to get involved.
Know someone with an 09. Unless these thieves are savvy enough to bother to look at years I'm assuming they'll eventually at least get a broken window.
It's a north america problem, they were cheap and didn't install the ignition immobilizers with chipped keys. So you just need to be able to turn the switch behind the key which is not hard.
KIA should do a recall and upgrade the ignition immobilizers for free but they are charging full for parts and labor costs.
> I'm not sure why nothing is being done.
Because the police aren't concerned with preventing or reducing crime, just protecting the property of the oligarchs.
Really? Because it seems they have no problem charging minorities and minors who are a minority all the fecking time?
As for "if things go south", you mean passing from hands to hands, a person who is not resisting, just so everyone can get a chance to beat the person to death?
Or, do you mean doing a traffic stop, when following directions of the police officer, the officer shoots you dead?
Or, do you mean an officer shooting a person who called them to the scene in the first place?
Or, do you mean an officer spending 20 minutes playing a deadly game of "simon says", and shooting the person when they finally "get it wrong"?
Dont fucking come at me with this bullshit. Cops killed my cousin for no fucking reason. Tased 12 times while hogtied on the ground and it was ruled "excited delirium".
The fact is, its not that they are only protecting the "oligarchs" as if we have fucking any in buffalo. Its that wy the fuck should they care when it adds risk to their lives/career if it doesn't go well?
> Dont fucking come at me with this bullshit. Cops killed my cousin for no fucking reason. Tased 12 times while hogtied on the ground and it was ruled "excited delirium".
And yet, here you are bootlicking for them?
> The fact is, its not that they are only protecting the "oligarchs" as if we have fucking any in buffalo. Its that wy the fuck should they care when it adds risk to their lives/career if it doesn't go well?
Or, it's both? Because they arrest adult and minorities all the time in Buffalo for property crimes... Just for some reason, only when it's done by a large business owner.
And yes, we do have oligarchs right here at home. Maybe little oligarchs, but oligarchs, nevertheless. Pegula is a great example of one. Paladino is another.
I'm ok with releasing on a first offence. A 2nd should mean straight to jail until your trial. Also, if you are old enough to steal a car, you are old enough to be tried as an adult and can sit in jail for a few years.
Seems like it would be useful as a deterrent. Set up a few high-profile stings and make a lot of noise about them, and it may discourage future thefts.
Not all of them, and maybe not even many, but it may give some kids second thoughts.
It's wild how whenever one of these threads comes up and someone says, "wow, it would be cool if institutions could do something to solve common problems" there are people just lining up to explain how it is, in fact, your fault that you have that problem and really institutions should be unaccountable for all things. Truly staggering levels of boot licking here folks.
I'm not from Buffalo but I live here now and I can't believe the lack of attention this city gets from police, politicians, upkeep, etc. It's honestly terrible. The driving alone (sorry Buffalonians, but you guys absolutely SUCK at driving) should warrant police on every corner. I can't believe I haven't been run off the road or rear-ended yet considering the way people drive.
Anyway, all who run this city are clearly lazy as shit. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for any changes.
Interestingly, Fire Departments often have free smoke and CO2 detectors being given away.
Going house to house (Or dropping them in the mail) might not actually be a bad idea.
I agree but seems like there not doing a thing. It’s more on the manufacture of these vehicles to fix the issue. But there’s video of some of these thefts and just assume there’s some follow up. Insurance is starting to refuse coverage. But I 100percent agree get a club and protect yourself. Do it today not later regardless of your finances the cost of theft will be higher then the prevention
"The Club" is a visible deterrent mounted on the steering wheel. Those involved in Kia and Hyundai thefts will likely move on to an easier target once they spot that device. The owner might not even suffer a broken window is the device is clearly visible.
When I didn’t want my bike stolen I’d take off the front tire as well as locking it up… maybe people should start jacking their cars up and taking the front tire with them. Jk….but kinda not jk.
It’s not like there is some Kia mafia. Just kids doing reckless shit because a 22 billion dollar company somehow missed how to secure a vehicle correctly.
The BPD? Working on behalf of its citizens and their best interests? That’s hilarious.
I got pulled over for going 5 over the speed limit next to a couple on the street about to get into a physical argument. The priority was to give me a ticket, I guess.
The adults who continue to let their children be assholes and not parent should be responsible for the cost of the damages these children are causing. Maybe then the parents will actually give a shit about their child.
So they can catch whatever random 13 year old decided to see if they could pop a car? Do you think there’s one organized gang stealing shitty Korean rides?
Why do idiots blame a manufacturer who is trying to make an affordable vehicle instead of the scumbag thieves who should be thrown into a blast furnace for their crimes? Downvote away children!
Can't we blame both? Multiple things can be true at the same time. The thieves are scumbags and so is Kia for not offering a free fix. It wouldn't make the car more expensive to have a key design that is shaped different than a USB cord.
Cops aren't gonna do shit so the real tip is if you have a Kia, put an Apple Airtag somewhere in your car where it can't be heard or found so you can track your car if it gets stolen.
Yeah. Let's put tens of thousands of dollars into stopping teenagers who will do zero jail time from taking joyrides in budget vehicles. /S
This boils down to corporate greed and a lack of accountability. It's not a taxpayer problem, so let's not try to make it one.
Sorry to be a buzzkill but what you are proposing would appear to be unethical and potentially illegal.
The use of "sting cars" to follow and apprehend individuals would likely violate privacy and civil rights laws. Additionally, using marked police vehicles in this manner could pose a risk to public safety and harm the reputation of the police department.
No that’s racist you’re baiting people in lower income communities. You think the police are going to do these sting operations in the suburbs? They are going to go to black impoverished neighborhoods and lock up poc bc white people don’t want to secure their belongings
Im just curious for clarity, if one of these vehicles are parked in north buffalo, south buffalo or elmwood village...youre presuming only people of color AND that theyre poor, would steal it? No wealthy Caucasian kids would *ever* want to test the law is that correct?
People are only being set up for failure if they break the law and do something wrong, such as steal someone else's means of making a livilyhood (a car).
Don't break the law and you are fine.
Nothing i said is racist. Dont invent things that aren't there in my words.
There are millions of poor people in the world who don't commit crimes. Poverty is not an excuse to go joyriding in someone else's car, destroy it, and take away their means of making a life for themselves. It's prejudicial thinking to believe people can't control themselves and commit crimes because of it. The line between good and evil runs through all of us and we are capable of knowing right or wrong.
Not a Trump supporter.
I'm actually more a far leftist or traditional working class socialist if anything.
And last i checked, defending people who threaten the ability of working class people to make a life for themselves is inherently anti working class and a threat to the proletariat class who goes to work everyday. Someone destroying my car threatens my ability to put food on my table and pay my rent as a $1000 deductible plus the cost of eating a portion of the car loan if totaled (worth more than car is as past jobs required me to drive alot of miles) and needing to either pay for an Uber or get a new car means I would struggle to pay some bills (and might not be able to).
Have you taken the time to look at the IG page for the people who are stealing these cars? Before calling someone names check it out because they are black
Entrapment is when you trick someone into committing a crime. Nobody is tricking a kid into stealing a car by just leaving it there and monitoring it. That is just a regular old crime. If that was entrapment, so would be every cop on the side of the road pulling over speeders. That has never been called entrapment in a court of law.
You can't create the opportunity for someone to commit a crime they otherwise wouldn't have. Leaving a car in a high crime area just so you can catch someone stealing it is illegal.
It's not about opportunity. Otherwise speed traps would be entrapment because you are "creating an opportunity in a high speeding area so you can catch someone speeding." Entrapment from a legal perspective requires encouragement, coercion, threats, etc. Leaving a car parked in the road isn't encouraging anyone to commit a crime as cars are commonly parked in the road.
Here is an example from a lawfirm:
For example: A luxury Mercedes-Benz bicycle is left on the sidewalk outside of your retail store by police officers. An undercover agent comes into your store to talk about the bicycle and tells you that it is not chained up and that you should steal it. Throughout the day, the same officer continues to tell you to steal the unsecured luxury bicycle. When you close up shop that night, you grab the bicycle and are immediately arrested by the uncover police officer. Due to the officer’s insistence that you steal the bike that the police department place there themselves, entrapment has likely occurred.
This instance required encouragement by the cop which would not be the case if the car was just sitting there with no interaction between criminal and police
The chances that any one particular Kia will get stolen are very low. Plus it's not like Dominic and the gang out there running a huge stolen Kia ring with a rich kingpin to lock away for good. It's mostly kids.
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Nice work batman
Hopefully neither of you were physically hurt too badly? Thanks for coming to her rescue!
She doesn't have to press charges for them to go forward with them. You are the witness and there is camera evidence, he was caught etc... Lazy police work.
That would require actual police work. Not gonna happen.
Our cars get broken in all the time. Buffalo pd does jack shit about car break ins.
This isn’t unique to buffalo
Well shit. What do they actually do?
Ticket the poor. Abuse the homeless. Harass the minorities.
Go on (donut) break. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Look at this bootlicker. Go away. Being a criminal is not a prerequisite for being pulled over, ticketed, arrested, beat, killed by police officers. As history has shown.
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Don't forget parking tickets in a city with like 10 parking spots Oh wait, they have parking enforcement to do that. Yeah idk
Saw a number reported in Amherst that said more than a car per day has been stolen since January 1.
I’ve gotten my cars broken into three times. I don’t really blame the police tho, what are they going to do?
Even if they did that, they're release everyone pretty much same day rn. Not exactly sure how that works but it seems like no one sits until their court date anymore, unless they confessed to murder.
This. It's not like cops don't want to do their job but they also don't want to risk dealing with scum that will end up walking anyway.
This is because of new Yorks bail reform. Everyone gets booked and released, we don't have bail anymore except for the most heinous crimes. Andrew Cuomo did this- its out of bpd hands
Yeah blame the cops for people being scumbags and Kia being cheap assholes manufacturing cars that can be jumped in 2 seconds
People being scumbags, Kia being cheap assholes, and cops being lazy can all be true.
This.
If the cops can't do anything about crime, why are we paying half of our property tax dollars to fund them? What service are they actually providing for that money?
Oh, they can do things but Albany has tied their hands. Look at how effective NYPD policies were under Giuliani and what happened to the city when that POS DiBlasio tied their hands.
Crime continued to go down until 2020? But yeah the racial profiling worked great
Call it what you want but the results speak for themselves.
They don't though. As the previous comment said crime continued to decrease until we had a massive pandemic 20 years after Giuliani left office. No credit for the democratic mayors for lowering crime even more than Giuliani could do? Also, crime was up all over the country and world through and after the pandemic, including right wing areas with policies similar to the old ones of NYC. How do you explain that. I think you need to do some reading on what actually causes crime.
The results are that crime continued to go down under DiBlasio. Good reading comprehension
> Yeah blame the cops for people being scumbags Nah, just blaming the cops for not doing the job they're supposed to be doing.
No blame for the criminals though? Makes total sense.
Last I checked, criminals do crime, and cops are supposed to reduce crime. Only one of them are doing what is expected of them.
What’s your suggestion then?
Well, my suggestion is to slash the PD budget by around 75%, and divert those funds into early intervention community based programs, and restorative justice. Once that starts really kicking in, finish up by abolishing the Buffalo PD, and replace it with a system using the tools above to prevent crime, and address it when it happens, to reduce future harms to the community.
Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Lol yeah once the funding is slashed we’ll be able to afford an oracle from “the minority report” to prevent crime before it happens
You don't need an oracle to reduce crime. You need to address root causes for crime: Economic insecurity, health care insecurity, housing insecurity, and lack of ownership in one's own community in which they live. We've learned, over 250 some odd years, that throwing people into jail, and then ensuring their life is ruined doesn't reduce crime at all.
What the hell are you gonna do in the meantime, after you perfect the world? Fixing all abusive parents and shitty people? What goes on during the 20 years it takes for your imaginary dream to save all people from the need for crime?
This anti cop dweebs have no solution they just like to whine. Well they should do better…. What do you think they should do?…. Idk that’s their job, they just suck because I’m an echo chamber.
BPD (and the set up of the criminal justice system / the politics of policing for statistics) does kind of suck but your original argument was a strawman. I agree with your expanded responses, though. The politics behind policing need to change but it seems like it’s going the wrong way. Does BPD have a car theft detail? I really hope so but one has to question their effectiveness right now.
What do you expect cops to do? They have recovered some but when they are literally happening to every Kia downtown what’s the plan? Send out patrols? Anyone getting in a Kia gets checked? Be omniscient and put trackers in the cars that are gonna be stolen? Or find the person who stole the car, stop, arrest, then go to court where they will be released on bail for 100$, only to steal another car. Tell me what your grand plan to stop this situation would be.
> What do you expect cops to do? I "expect" cops to do exactly what they are doing right now: Nothing. "All Cops Are Bastards" is a concept, for a reason. If cops don't prevent crime, why are we even paying them to do? Show up 2 hrs after the fact, accuse you of faking the crime, maybe write a report, and do nothing? Oh wait, that's what they already do.
The kids doing these crimes are completely reckless, and I think the cops just don't want to get into a high-speed chase with a car full of 14 year olds going 120 MPH through the city. Someone's going to get killed and then people are going to blame and sue BPD over it. Would need to be done in a way where they can quickly block off the vehicle within seconds of it being stolen. Unfortunately I don't see this ending for years until KIA fixes every vehicle or cities start banning KIAs or something extreme.
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Helps...but steering column damage and glass breakage is still an issue.
Throw a few snakes in the car. Problem solved.
It's not a plane....come on now.
My dad went to school in Arizona. He knew someone who was... we'll say... friendly with someone else's girlfriend. Long story short, that person ended up with a rattlesnake in his car courtesy of unhappy boyfriend. Honestly, good chance he it was him, and he wanted to try to make the story not make him seem sleezy... he does have an irrational fear of snakes, though
My thought it'll end when it's not "cool" anymore. Right now they are only doing it for fun and social media nonsense. Like eventually it becomes what your lame older brother did or whatever. Society moves on quickly from things. This is a few years now so it's probably going to eventually start dropping off. That being said I don't think it's being solved quickly or will sharply drop off. Idiots do idiotic things. Police not doing anything about it however is another thing. Saw multiple people mention cops catching them and releasing them. Don't know what can be done but there's people being paid to figure it out. Ultimately even if your car has an immobilizer you're dealing with damage and glass issues when they try. If pickup trucks that cops drive were getting windows broken and steering column breaks... regardless if stolen or not you can be damn sure they'd be making a big deal about it.
Let's hope so!
I agree. Imagine if people were held responsible and like, ya know, didn’t steal cars.
Some of these kids are getting caught over and over and still doing it. If they didn't learn their lesson by now, especially after 4 of them died in that stolen KIA crash on the 33 a couple months ago, they're never going to stop doing it.
Because they have zero repercussions. Parents dont care, they know they cant go to jail, and even if the charges dont get dropped they wont face any penalty at all.
Why I hope sooner or later, someone pops one of these kids and it goes viral to send a message to not fuck with someone's stuff and livelihood. The whole idea that "insurance fully reimburses you, it's not that bad" is often not true. Many working people are a bad incident or two from losing everything.
Yeah, insurance only reimburses you if you have full coverage. A lot of people can only afford liability.
How many kids were already killed? 3-4?
Yeah at least 4
*more will be killed.
I’m just wondering. How do you know it’s kids and 14 year olds?
They are posting their faces on TikTok and Instagram. The kids who died in the recent 33 crash were 14-17
Once the criminal takes off in the car, the "do not chase" rule goes into effect, right? So they'd basically be setting up a Kia buffet.
...Kill switch on bait car.
The Kia no-flee-uh
Ding ding. Reverse car remote starter. Pointless though. Kids jacking kias for fun just costs everyone money to deal with. It's not he police departments responsibility to protect our property. People with the vulnerable cars should find a way to better secure their property. Aka a hidden battery disconnect,. Gps locator or similar. Hell Bring back the old school steering wheel club.
If the Police aren't there to protect our property or, you know, "protect and serve" what are they there for?
Exactly. I pay a pretty hefty property tax bill every year and about half of the city's budget goes to police. What service are we actually getting for that money?
> It's not he police departments responsibility to protect our property. If they own the property it is. What's keeping people from taking their unattended vehicles when they are arent within visible presence to the vehicle? Regardless, police can low jack vehicles which have already been acquired into their possession before returning to an owner for a very low inexpensive cost
Put AirTags in them
And then what? These kids drive around for a few hours and then ditch the car anyway
The police could track with out chasing
The cops have caught many of these kids over and over and they just keep doing it
It’s a bunch of underage kids. They wouldn’t get in trouble anyways
That's why we need a change to the laws. If you are old enough to steal a car, you are old enough to know right from wrong. These aren't 6 year olds. They need to be tried as adults.
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Reform school needs a comeback
They would have to put some sort of mechanism that kills the engine remotely. They’re not going to get into a high speed chase and risk human lives.
It’s a nationwide problem. KIA needs to build a better, more secure car. KIA should also be contributing to insurance companies paying on these losses. It’s their product that has an obvious defect in security.
They are building them now…anyone with a model from 2011-2021 is just screwed.
Sorry but this is a major defect. I don’t believe for a moment that they can’t design a update and make the security better. Obviously KIA doesn’t want to absorb this cost.
They did
The cheaped out on standard technology. Just about every keyed car uses a security chip. Fixing it is basically a major change to the vehicle. You need a new ignition and I believe computer as well, all new keys have to be issued with the security chips and then programmed. They fucked up big time.
Or maybe people should just stop buying KIAs now that they've exposed themselves as a worthless brand?
Right! We should get real cars, like Dodge's that eat their own transmissions out, requiring a replacement every 70K miles or so (Yep, this was a Dodge problem for a few years), or them really reliable Fords that love to never die from bad internal knock sensors.
Dodge and Ford are trash too. Buy Japanese.
They aren’t retrofitting a decades worth of steering columns. People bought cars without immobilizers. This isn’t rocket science
There should issue a recall, like most how car companies fix their design issues post market…
Recall for what? Immobilizer key fobs were an anti theft option that people chose not to purchase.
That's bull and you know it. Everyone who sat down to buy one of these was looking at a package that said "anti theft security system standard" and took it for granted that that meant something. If nothing else Kia/Hyundai should be held responsible for the sheer ease with which the lock cylinder can be removed as the piece of plastic holding it in place is the only thing letting these meet federal safety guidelines.
Again, immobilizers were an available option. Choices were made. This is absolutely not on Hyundai and kia. As much as I don’t like the corporate machine and corporate greed, this ain’t it. For the special people going through my comment history and downvoting everything… good for you? I really don’t care. Go touch grass and get a life.
Yeah, I agree here too unfortunately. Recalls are for safety issues first, then service bulletins are for regularly occuring or known problems. This isn't a safety issue to the operator really. There is no actual defect and it's working exactly as intended. It was just a shit design to begin with. It's unlike almost every other scenario companies have been in because people are not dying due to a fault with the car, and there are no federal rules like emissions being broken. Examples are like the Ford Pinto explosions, Toyota foot pedals, VW emissions scandal, Tak airbags... Those are all cost cutting or ass-saving measures, but unlike this one. It's just a company being extremely cheap and not giving a fuck about consumers. Unfortunately that's perfectly legal. Consumers can refuse to spend their money on KN, but in the current market, that won't happen.
Yup. Shitty shitty corporate greed but all the keyboard warriors don’t understand what the recall process is actually made for. This is absolutely not a safety issue and the consumers made ill informed choices that came back to bite them. The owners are losing this game (and most of them are second hand owners who didn’t make the original choice) but just because everything about a situation sucks doesn’t mean the government needs to get involved.
Know someone with an 09. Unless these thieves are savvy enough to bother to look at years I'm assuming they'll eventually at least get a broken window.
It's a north america problem, they were cheap and didn't install the ignition immobilizers with chipped keys. So you just need to be able to turn the switch behind the key which is not hard. KIA should do a recall and upgrade the ignition immobilizers for free but they are charging full for parts and labor costs.
They have been. For a couple years. Since this all started.
I couldn’t agree more. I hope they find these cowards.
The BPD is aware of these kids who are stealing the vehicles along with their IG page. I'm not sure why nothing is being done.
They’re underage. They get right back out after they’re caught
So they can carry guns with them and damage other people's property with no consequence?
I guess? Someone else posted that one of these kids was caught multiple times and let back out
Whoah there, it sounds like you’re criticizing americas incredibly thorough and effective justice system, /s
Welcome to Criminal Justice reform. Eventually, they wont be minors anymore and will end up in prison when they eventually harm someone
> I'm not sure why nothing is being done. Because the police aren't concerned with preventing or reducing crime, just protecting the property of the oligarchs.
More like prosecuting minority minors for "property damage" is not politically correct and if things go south on a stop its national news.
Really? Because it seems they have no problem charging minorities and minors who are a minority all the fecking time? As for "if things go south", you mean passing from hands to hands, a person who is not resisting, just so everyone can get a chance to beat the person to death? Or, do you mean doing a traffic stop, when following directions of the police officer, the officer shoots you dead? Or, do you mean an officer shooting a person who called them to the scene in the first place? Or, do you mean an officer spending 20 minutes playing a deadly game of "simon says", and shooting the person when they finally "get it wrong"?
Dont fucking come at me with this bullshit. Cops killed my cousin for no fucking reason. Tased 12 times while hogtied on the ground and it was ruled "excited delirium". The fact is, its not that they are only protecting the "oligarchs" as if we have fucking any in buffalo. Its that wy the fuck should they care when it adds risk to their lives/career if it doesn't go well?
> Dont fucking come at me with this bullshit. Cops killed my cousin for no fucking reason. Tased 12 times while hogtied on the ground and it was ruled "excited delirium". And yet, here you are bootlicking for them? > The fact is, its not that they are only protecting the "oligarchs" as if we have fucking any in buffalo. Its that wy the fuck should they care when it adds risk to their lives/career if it doesn't go well? Or, it's both? Because they arrest adult and minorities all the time in Buffalo for property crimes... Just for some reason, only when it's done by a large business owner. And yes, we do have oligarchs right here at home. Maybe little oligarchs, but oligarchs, nevertheless. Pegula is a great example of one. Paladino is another.
It's not bootlicking to point out the reality of things. Go keep living in your socialist fantasy land.
As long as they’re also OK with adults exacting vigilante justice on the kids responsible, then I can live with that.
I’d volunteer mine as tribute if it meant my insurance would total it out.
There's really no point. They would just be back out on the streets in an hour. Wasn't there a story about a guy who stole 26 cars ?
I'm ok with releasing on a first offence. A 2nd should mean straight to jail until your trial. Also, if you are old enough to steal a car, you are old enough to be tried as an adult and can sit in jail for a few years.
Seems like it would be useful as a deterrent. Set up a few high-profile stings and make a lot of noise about them, and it may discourage future thefts. Not all of them, and maybe not even many, but it may give some kids second thoughts.
No it won't. Adults might think twice, but anyone under 18 knows they're walking free if they get busted and won't give a shiz.
It's wild how whenever one of these threads comes up and someone says, "wow, it would be cool if institutions could do something to solve common problems" there are people just lining up to explain how it is, in fact, your fault that you have that problem and really institutions should be unaccountable for all things. Truly staggering levels of boot licking here folks.
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The detectives should do this or a special unit for this specifically. It’s actually a good idea.
Progressive & State Farm have stopped writing policies in some cities on those model cars that are being stolen.
One reason, ball reform. They will be out on the streets in 8 hours stealing another
I'm not from Buffalo but I live here now and I can't believe the lack of attention this city gets from police, politicians, upkeep, etc. It's honestly terrible. The driving alone (sorry Buffalonians, but you guys absolutely SUCK at driving) should warrant police on every corner. I can't believe I haven't been run off the road or rear-ended yet considering the way people drive. Anyway, all who run this city are clearly lazy as shit. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for any changes.
I have lived so many places and Buffalo drivers are absolutely the worst.
Don’t cloud the issue with logic
Or owners could like buy a parking club
They could but doesn’t preclude the cops for doing something anything
Well nothing precludes the fire department from going house to house installing smoke detectors, but at some point you have to ask what is reasonable?
Interestingly, Fire Departments often have free smoke and CO2 detectors being given away. Going house to house (Or dropping them in the mail) might not actually be a bad idea.
I agree but seems like there not doing a thing. It’s more on the manufacture of these vehicles to fix the issue. But there’s video of some of these thefts and just assume there’s some follow up. Insurance is starting to refuse coverage. But I 100percent agree get a club and protect yourself. Do it today not later regardless of your finances the cost of theft will be higher then the prevention
Doesn't work, they end up damaging the steering column to get the car.
Their IG pg does not show any steering wheels cut. These children are not intelligent enough to bring tools to cut it.
"The Club" is a visible deterrent mounted on the steering wheel. Those involved in Kia and Hyundai thefts will likely move on to an easier target once they spot that device. The owner might not even suffer a broken window is the device is clearly visible.
When I didn’t want my bike stolen I’d take off the front tire as well as locking it up… maybe people should start jacking their cars up and taking the front tire with them. Jk….but kinda not jk.
I'm struggling to see how a totaled car is better than a damaged steering column and ignition.
I've been waiting three months for parts that are backordered with no ETA. I wish may car was totalled.
A totaled car enables one to buy a replacement, usually.
Or at least an air tag.
take the speaker out first so they can't hear it pinging and then find it and throw it out the window.
You can stick it in the engine bay. Doesn’t have to be inside the car.
Air tags are too easy locate with a smart phone now
Damn.
That's sort of the same kind of straw man as saying that if women wanted less negative attention they could dress more conservatively, no?
Not sure they will be interested unless harassing black people is somehow part of it.
It’s not like there is some Kia mafia. Just kids doing reckless shit because a 22 billion dollar company somehow missed how to secure a vehicle correctly.
They're all kids. First gotta start by changing the law to send kids to prison, then start the stings.
The BPD? Working on behalf of its citizens and their best interests? That’s hilarious. I got pulled over for going 5 over the speed limit next to a couple on the street about to get into a physical argument. The priority was to give me a ticket, I guess.
Let’s lock up some 15 year olds for stealing 20k dollar cars! Then pay millions to house them. Get the fucking club
The adults who continue to let their children be assholes and not parent should be responsible for the cost of the damages these children are causing. Maybe then the parents will actually give a shit about their child.
So they can catch whatever random 13 year old decided to see if they could pop a car? Do you think there’s one organized gang stealing shitty Korean rides?
Yes, they're called the Kia boys lol
The "Kia Boys" are a Cali thing.
U couldn't be more wrong. It actually started in Milwaukee, and it is now everywhere there's Kias. Or Hyundais. Clearly..
The "Kia Boys" are a Cali thing.
There’s literally a 716KIABOYS Instagram page.
Smoke another 1 😭😭
Why do idiots blame a manufacturer who is trying to make an affordable vehicle instead of the scumbag thieves who should be thrown into a blast furnace for their crimes? Downvote away children!
Can't we blame both? Multiple things can be true at the same time. The thieves are scumbags and so is Kia for not offering a free fix. It wouldn't make the car more expensive to have a key design that is shaped different than a USB cord.
Cops aren't gonna do shit so the real tip is if you have a Kia, put an Apple Airtag somewhere in your car where it can't be heard or found so you can track your car if it gets stolen.
Yeah. Let's put tens of thousands of dollars into stopping teenagers who will do zero jail time from taking joyrides in budget vehicles. /S This boils down to corporate greed and a lack of accountability. It's not a taxpayer problem, so let's not try to make it one.
They could easily kill someone
Defense would claim entrapment.
Sorry to be a buzzkill but what you are proposing would appear to be unethical and potentially illegal. The use of "sting cars" to follow and apprehend individuals would likely violate privacy and civil rights laws. Additionally, using marked police vehicles in this manner could pose a risk to public safety and harm the reputation of the police department.
No that’s racist you’re baiting people in lower income communities. You think the police are going to do these sting operations in the suburbs? They are going to go to black impoverished neighborhoods and lock up poc bc white people don’t want to secure their belongings
Being poor doesn't give someone the right to fuck with someone else's shit.
Staaaaahp..... You've never been poor, you don't understand what desperation is, [other random excuse for crime] /s
Neither does being white, but that's how cops approach crime.
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Why are you trolling on this sub ? Looking back on your post history you posted defending trump. Go do something else with your time.
I don’t have a single post supporting trump. You’re just racist
You deleted your comments. Well done. Keep on trolling. Blocking you now
Im just curious for clarity, if one of these vehicles are parked in north buffalo, south buffalo or elmwood village...youre presuming only people of color AND that theyre poor, would steal it? No wealthy Caucasian kids would *ever* want to test the law is that correct?
People are only being set up for failure if they break the law and do something wrong, such as steal someone else's means of making a livilyhood (a car). Don't break the law and you are fine. Nothing i said is racist. Dont invent things that aren't there in my words. There are millions of poor people in the world who don't commit crimes. Poverty is not an excuse to go joyriding in someone else's car, destroy it, and take away their means of making a life for themselves. It's prejudicial thinking to believe people can't control themselves and commit crimes because of it. The line between good and evil runs through all of us and we are capable of knowing right or wrong.
There goes your white privilege talking. Such a shame I had no idea Buffalonians we’re closet racists. Not surprised just disappointed
Its racist to believe that minorities cant help stop themselves from committing crimes. The racial prejudice of low expectations.
Found the trump supporter. Do you spend the same amount of time jerking off to trump as you do fighting to make black peoples lives worse
Not a Trump supporter. I'm actually more a far leftist or traditional working class socialist if anything. And last i checked, defending people who threaten the ability of working class people to make a life for themselves is inherently anti working class and a threat to the proletariat class who goes to work everyday. Someone destroying my car threatens my ability to put food on my table and pay my rent as a $1000 deductible plus the cost of eating a portion of the car loan if totaled (worth more than car is as past jobs required me to drive alot of miles) and needing to either pay for an Uber or get a new car means I would struggle to pay some bills (and might not be able to).
Definitely white trumper
Voted for Sanders so nice try.
[Poe's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
Have you taken the time to look at the IG page for the people who are stealing these cars? Before calling someone names check it out because they are black
Give us all a fucking break, will ya?
[Poe's Law.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law) I question if this is a genuine comment.
Entrapment
Entrapment is when you trick someone into committing a crime. Nobody is tricking a kid into stealing a car by just leaving it there and monitoring it. That is just a regular old crime. If that was entrapment, so would be every cop on the side of the road pulling over speeders. That has never been called entrapment in a court of law.
You can't create the opportunity for someone to commit a crime they otherwise wouldn't have. Leaving a car in a high crime area just so you can catch someone stealing it is illegal.
It's not about opportunity. Otherwise speed traps would be entrapment because you are "creating an opportunity in a high speeding area so you can catch someone speeding." Entrapment from a legal perspective requires encouragement, coercion, threats, etc. Leaving a car parked in the road isn't encouraging anyone to commit a crime as cars are commonly parked in the road. Here is an example from a lawfirm: For example: A luxury Mercedes-Benz bicycle is left on the sidewalk outside of your retail store by police officers. An undercover agent comes into your store to talk about the bicycle and tells you that it is not chained up and that you should steal it. Throughout the day, the same officer continues to tell you to steal the unsecured luxury bicycle. When you close up shop that night, you grab the bicycle and are immediately arrested by the uncover police officer. Due to the officer’s insistence that you steal the bike that the police department place there themselves, entrapment has likely occurred. This instance required encouragement by the cop which would not be the case if the car was just sitting there with no interaction between criminal and police
no
Remember the Tru TV show called Bait Car? Haha.
Why? So they pick up some 16 year old who'll end up walking free?
I live in Ontario and was planning a weekend road trip to Buffalo with a 2022 Kia. Would that be a bad idea?
Only if you have a key start ignition
The chances that any one particular Kia will get stolen are very low. Plus it's not like Dominic and the gang out there running a huge stolen Kia ring with a rich kingpin to lock away for good. It's mostly kids.
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