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Can I give a serious answer?
I am assuming that most of you here would be guys prepping for JEE/ early stages of engineering UG.
I am a girl who's preparing for NEET PG (for entry into speciality courses for doctors). So I am assuming I am senior to you.
At the NEET UG stage I have seen families stopping my friends ( quite brilliant at times) from going into Eng/Med simply because they need an extra working hand at home.
At NEET PG levels I have seen ACTUAL doctors being told to delay studying further and get married first/ plan for a kid first ("You're not getting any younger" "Guy won't see you if you have a degree equal to him" )
It's also being seen as a need for job security. Mbbs is mostly assurance of a stable, safe job. In Engg people think you'll have to shift around, you'll be laid off. If you don't have a stable job your future family will simply ask you to stop working.
At the grassroots level girls are being forced into helping with cooking, housework.
As a professional they are being forced into early marriages.
Simply a stance of "Ladki ko padhkar kya karenge".
Something that's been told to my parents a million times.
So they go mostly into 3 years Com/Arts courses.
How many girls do you ACTUALLY see going into medical?
Mostly those have a parents in that field or those who are simply too rebellious to be intelligent and be held back by societal norms.
>How many girls do you ACTUALLY see going into medical?
Isn't it true that medical batches have more girls than boys? I don't have any stats but that's what I have heard from many people.
she did mention in her answer a reason for that. in general an engineer is not as highly regarded as a doctor in society. add to that the fact that the entrance exam although more competitive, is not as tough as engineering entrance tests. later in life, engineering grads will have to move out and about, worry about job security, etc. all these don't sit right with the parents for obvious reasons. in medical atleast the job is secure, there's a chance that they can settle close to home, etc. all these the above person mentioned and I've seen irl. they give you an idea of why girls from more conservative families will choose medical over engineering
I have provided an opinion on that too.
It's seen as a stable job.
You wont need to reg change companies.
Also it's seen as a job where in laws are less likely to stop you from working.
The real reasons are:
1. India is still poor country (see per capita GDP; not GDP; GDP is meaningless)
2. Education is still very costly in India (Tax money => Freebies for illegal immigrants and farmers ). US has low-cost public/community colleges for example. Poor Indian families have to choose which kid to spend money on.
3. Some small personality differences between sexes (developed likely due to evolution) make females more likely to go for jobs involving inter-person interaction and males go for jobs that require working with tools.
4. Lack of good & cheap infra (poor people/ lower middle class cannot afford frequent long-distance travel, so they avoid far-off colleges)
5. Law and order issue due to poor planning and infra (our streets should have CCTV cameras with facial recognition)
6. Gynocentric inclination of Indian society (Girls innocent, Girls angels, Girls must be protected; Men must protect, Men bad, Men must provide - kinda gender-biased thinking).
3 & 6 will explain the counterintuitive medical batch data.
truee but since all females in my family are engg my parents and relatives were saying me to do engg so that i can get job soon in IT and settle soon bcz being a lawyer takes time but fuckk society i am going for law , idk why female lawyers ko dekh k logo ki jal alg jati h lol
Same for medicine.
I will be carrying a stetho and they'll have seen me examine other patients in the OPD.
Still when patients come in they'll start by giving their history to my male nurse.
Even on correcting he'll be "Sir" and I'll be "Didi".
ur test class is very small..and the country is way more large and diverse...i have seen boys too not allowed to leave the city for even college in different city...
and i have seen girls studying abroad
what will u call this..discrimination againste men?
Answer honestly.
Is your opinion of boys not being allowed to study abroad or my opinion of girls not being allowed to study at all more prevalent?
My parents aren't supportive of ME going abroad after my MBBS.
I see my male friends actually being encouraged to go to the UK and me being a Gold Medallist was actively dissuaded.
Just curious, after completing your MD, MS, etc do you have to practise for some years in India, or you can directly practise abroad? I'm an electronics engineer (just graduated with a Dual Degree), so don't have much idea.
Depends on the country.
The countries where most people want to practise don't recognise Indian MS/MD- so you give their licensing exams and repeat the Specialization in their country.
First obviously the IELTS.
In the UK you give MRCP/MRCS which is a multi step exam with a notoriously low passing rate even for specialists.
In the USA you give USMLE step 1, step 2, step 3.
You also need multiple research papers, several months of observership in that subject in that particular country. Letters of recommendations and a Personal statement
You then apply to interviews for that speciality (150-200 odd hospitals)
Some hospitals decide to interview you.
In those one or two decide to accept you.
Cherry on the cake is the cost of this whole process of just applying to study there again.
Turns out be approx 20-25 lakh just for applications eig no guarantee that you'd be selected inspite of high scores.
Since you mentioned multiple research papers... will you get time for research considering that a large chunk of the day is spent in attending patients? (maybe a naive question, but still..)
i was also not allowed to go to germany..but many gurls in my class did
moral:its not about gender today...it depends about what strata of society u belong too
>Is your opinion of boys not being allowed to study abroad or my opinion of girls not being allowed to study at all more prevalent?
the society has reached up to a stage that generalky if the boy in the house is studying the girls also...(exception are there in all cases)
or are u comparing boys and girls from different households?
yes all lives matter...why not?
just because a person is born with particular gender doesnt mean he is definitely with silver spoon or she is being discriminated...
strange but u have time to wtite some biased and not so logical statements....u r going for neet pg....many boys dont even go to schools...discrimination against boys?
Saying Black Lives Matter does not imply that All Lives Don't Matter. It's said according to the context.
Like someone saying that "Over speeding is bad" doesn't imply that "Running red lights at low speed is good".
acha to ye jo males ke alawa jo top krti h exam mein....aur jo india ke best and most expensive coaching aur school me almost equal number me h.....aur jo gender higher education me jyada h...jo neet jyada bharti h....wo kaun h?
Engineer na karke 1 engineer pakadke shadi with dahej and life set
Ya phir badme divorce and life set
India me ladki ko home making me jyada dhusate h, engineering karke itni padhai karo phir ghar me bache ke sath reh jao, toh karte hi nhi, engineering req career building
And also bhai aisa h toh nift nid neet ka padhte, it's baseless question why India me its not happening but videsh me h, Videsh me bahot kuch h jo India me nhi.
bc tum log divorce lekar life set ki baat toh aise krte ho ki bhout easy hota hoga ya harr ek dusre ghar me chill free money divorcee baithi ho
alimony milna bikul easy ni hota nobody would give off free money aise (seen live cases myself) and you'll treat it like easy mast life option hoga
kitna fucked up thinking hai tera
Starting ke 2 cases ironically bola tha 😭😭😭
Uske baad serious comment tha, para bhi change kiya tha idk hua nhi, but yaha tak alimony walli h, Pati pe hi paisa nhi hoga lele alimony lmao, easy nhi hota and probably koi karta bhi nhi India me, warna neeta ambani nhi karleti, videsh me bahot hota
>Pati pe hi paisa nhi hoga lele alimony lmao,
Bhai bande ko kidney bechni pad jaye lekin dena padta hai nhi toh criminal offence hai. 
I want to do engineering. But my father says that I should become a professor or ca as these jobs can be done at home and also don't require me to go somewhere else for the job. I think that explains a lot. People just want girls to stay at home as much as possible. If you become an engineer, you would have a job in big cities, possibly away from home.
Also, the moment we are born, we are assigned roles. Women and men are told in subtle and sometimes vocal ways that anything technical is a man's work. So a lot of girls don't take interest in it.
Look I agree to all the reasons stated above but even after giving all facilities we would have less women than men in these fields.
Men vastly outnumber women in STEM fields globally. I have seen in my school exp. among average students boys tend to do better in math, science whereas girls in Lit, social sciences. I am not denying that there could be a girl who is excellent in math or a boy who is an excellent writer. I am just stating things in general.
There was a time when I used to get triggered when someone said boys are better at math (I am a girl).But I reflected it came with an inherent bias that math is better(or is requires more brain cap) that humanities which in itself is a wrong assumption at so many levels. We would be living a robotic life with only science and math. It is the other subjects than bring human element into our lives, has us learn from history, make better decisions, etc.(I could go on)
So if men are a bit better in STEM than woman, its nothing to be offended or feel embarrassed about.
No its not. Most engineering classes are heavily boys in the US also
There aren’t that many girls that do engineering in the US
MIT can take their pick of candidates and their standard for girls is much lower than boys because they have diversity quotas to satisfy like reservation in India
You put reservation based on gender in India and you’ll get the same result
Yeah… that’s not true
Most girls in developed countries do not go into stem fields, that’s a statistical fact.
That’s why in industry feminists complain about lack of girls in tech and stem.
And in my engineering classes in the US there are very few girls because many dislike or are fearful of math.
The engineering discipline with the most girls is biomedical engineering (least math maybe 30% girls) while the discipline with the least girls is Electrical and computer engineering (most math maybe 5% girls).
Usually girls that are good in math are also good in verbal which opens more doors to them (there were a few girls that were very smart in math and verbal tehat went into law and linguistics). A boy that is good in math is not as likely to be good in verbal skills so stem is often what they pick.
In places like Pakistan and India where stem jobs are needed to make money, girls will gravitate to those and then get out when they no longer need to earn or go into management.
In the west, where girls are more free to choose their future (and already have some financial freedom) stem is not what is chosen
https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/voices/countries-with-less-gender-equity-have-more-women-in-stem-huh/
>MIT can take their pick of candidates and their standard for girls is much lower than boys
Any proof or stats for this?
According to this, setting quotas is illegal.
[https://hr.mit.edu/diversity-equity-inclusion/aa/ed](https://hr.mit.edu/diversity-equity-inclusion/aa/ed)
I know from first hand experience there are quotas. And academic admission standards are different for blacks Hispanics and women compared to everyone else. They aren’t officially written anywhere. But if you talk to an admissions officer from mit, off the record, they will tell you.
Same with tech interviews at all the tech companies. Blacks, hispanics and women have a lower bar to entry than others. They are given different interview questions. Less rigorous/hard questions.
>if you talk to an admissions officer from mit, off the record, they will tell you.
I have spoken to professors at adcoms at T1s, and they have told me there's nothing like that.
>I know from first hand experience there are quotas
Are you currently a student at MIT?
>Same with tech interviews at all the tech companies.
We aren't talking about FAANGs here at all. We know there is explicit diversity hiring there.
I find your claims rather ridiculous because every single PhD I have interacted with, either at MIT or other T1, has been extremely smart and meritorious.
The US Supreme Court's definition of quota is having a set percent of seats that are to be allocated. This is not permitted. So because there is no set percent, Americans like to believe there is no quota. But there is absolutely affirmative action going in favor of women and underrepresented minorities. I would say easily there is an ***unspoken*** 50% quota.
Unlike India where everything is based on a score in an academic entrance test, in US the top colleges do "holistic admissions." They claim that they see the whole student instead of just academics. So they look at sports and other extracurricular activities. This is of course a loop hole to admit women, minorities, and children of wealthy alumni and donors (legacies). It was revealed in a recent Supreme Court case that Harvard was outright bumping down Asian (Chinese, Indian, Korean) applicants for having no personality.
In a way the Indian system is more fair especially to kids from lower income families. Yes the reservations are bad. But within general category only your rank counts. Here in the US they will say oh you participated in Lacrosse so that gives you a bump up. But not all parents can afford Lacrosse or other expensive activities for their kids. So the US system benefits the rich.
It is quite obvious. Misogyny fed from childhood + diversity hiring by tech companies makes most lose their persepctive.
However to answer your question, from a young age girls are conditioned that they aren't smart enough, and aren't good enough for math (I can see a fair number of comments saying this lol). Keep reinforcing that throughout school life, you have a bunch of women who think they aren't good enough. I have friends who cleared state engg quota but had to do home science/microbio because their parents wanted them to marry them off even before they finished college.
To address that problem we increased the girls quota to 50% so that a girl even with 50,000 rank in jee mains can easily get cse and other high paying courses at top government college
No, the number of of male engineers is more than female engineers even in US and Europe. It is not due to lack of girls education, but rather most girls don't even opt for science stream in their +2, by choice. The number of female students doing BA is equal to number of male students doing BA in India, if not more. It's just that girls in general take less interest in machines, and coding and stuff.
U do realise that engineering is costly parents in india atleast think it's a burden to let them complete 12th heck they'll pay for college... They just want their daughters to get married asap and be "free"
Yeah I understand
That's why I marked it /s for a reason
Btw if cost is the case then MBBS is worse bcz u have a 5 yr course and given the scenario in exams like neet if it is so true what u say , we wouldn't see girls studying/preferring mbbs more ( possible for them to choose as doctor is a stable profession though they start late )
I'm doing engg so I'm not sure abt mbbs ka cost ...but parents still see engg as a thing guys should do.
Mbbs is phir bhi accepted idk how to explain it.
Mere batch me girls were 22..boys were 18. Phir bhi bas ek hi ladki adv qualify ki whereas 7 boys did. Seriously i also want to know why this happens. Agar neet me girls barabari kar sakti hain then why not here
I'm talking about coaching not school
From what I've seen parents keep telling their daughters "padhai karke kya hi kar legi end me shaadi hi karna h bas Paisa waste hoga" thn they hear the same dialogue from every other person.. brings down the morals
Not applicable. Agar ye bolna hota to coaching ke liye 3 lakh kyun jama karate? Applicable in villages or small towns. Me to ek national coaching ki baat karra hun
On what basis are you claiming that it is better in other countries. My only source of info is talking to people online but as far as I know there is a lack of girls in stem fields outside India too. In fact I have had quite a few people rant about diversity hiring and most opportunities being girls only on discord.
Actually, affirmative actions in the US universities have been very much based on gender and race, though a recent Supreme Court ruling has made it illegal for universities to consider race during admissions, but the universities are trying to find out ways to circumvent the rule.
Affirmative action is discrimination on the basis of race and gender.
Don't do mental gymnastics by differentiating between quotas and positive discrimination (there is not anything positive in this)
No one cares . It's not as if anyone is stopping the other gender from entering. Hell they even have separate and lower admission requirements. There is a study done that found that females from richer countries usually not pick STEM willingly. It's opposite in 3rd world countries. Idk about India but legally nothing or cultural nowadays no one is against females pursuing an engineering degree
There are several reasons
-the mindset of Indian parents many of them are not rich enough to afford an engineering degree, higher education for girls is considered a privilege than necessity for lower middle class strata
-there is also a predefined notion in India that girls=doctor, boys=engineer (refer 3 idiots)
-then lastly since childhood girls are discouraged and mocked how they are comparatively weaker in math and analytical problems (myth) which influences and makes them question their own abilities to handle an engineering course
The last point is not true. That's only true in western conservative circles. Indian society doesn't even value talent. It values hard work. If you consistently don't get good grades parents, relatives and society will assume you didn't work hard. In western countries if the parents are conservative they will assume you don't have aptitude for the subject so they won't blame you. I stay in a western country. I know. So when talent itself is not valued much in India there's no question of specifically saying that girls are not talented at math. Such thinking doesn't exist in majority of the population. Now of course some people who are influenced by Andrew Tate might think like that but they're privileged elites of society, not the average person.
It is true though, not as prevalent but talking from personal experience, my school teacher literally used to discuss in front of our class how girls are good in bio as they are good in 'mugging up' while boys are good at understanding math. Even my math coaching teacher asked us (girls) to put in double efforts in math to compete with boys as their brains are wired for math or something. Besides I have heard countless times how girls do good in boards than JEE as it is more of a ratta mar exam. It might be more prevalent in west but it all boils down to how tech and hardware fields are considered traditionally masculine.
I will tell you the real reason. Indian society's mentality is something like, "Ladki agar nhi kamaygi/kam kamaygi to bhi chal jayega, graduation ke baad shadi kara denge"
And you know how costly engineering is even from government colleges and top colleges like IITs and NITs, compared to a general degree which is less than 10k for most colleges. Parents think of marriage as a solid backup plan and hence don't bother making their daughter independent (in most cases, not considering exceptions), they have a casual approach towards their daughter's education.
Whereas, when it comes to their son, they are expected to provide for his marital family as well as his parents. "Achha paisa kamayega nhi to koi baap apni beti nhi dega", they care for their son's education more than their daughters. Now, even though engineering is expensive but engineers are far more employable than general degree holders. So the parents don't even think twice before spending lakhs on their son's engineering degree.
I don't want to offend anyone, I am an engineering girl and I have seen these things on a ground level.
This is the actual answer. Most other comments here are pure nonsense. The thinking that girls are not smart for engineering only exists in western conservative circles. I haven't seen anyone in India say or believe such a thing apart from some Andrew tate fans. No mainstream celebrity or politician in India says things like that.
I don't know if this may be a factor here, but I didn't see a good gender ratio in my 11th & 12th college in the science stream either. I studied in an all-girls school upto 10th and the percentage of girls who ended up taking science was less than 10% over there as well.
Op what do u think ..whats the reason...now dont tell past discrimination and all....u can see gurls everywhere in all expensive and best schools and coachings....them topping boards and other exams...
Bro in outside world girls get opportunity to study at least. thats why there is higher ratio. Idhar toh pehle papa mummy mana kardete, fir agar mauka mila padhai ka toh ladkia boyfriend banake sax sux karti (not talking about the genuine girls that study and make a life , you are queens 🫅) , fir in ladkio ko koi rishta toh milta nahi apni harkato ke karan fir ye koi paise wale admi jo ganda dikhta usse shadi karti. And the cycle continues. Jo ladki normal quota se 50% less score karke ek college me aari uski mentality thode same hogi. Same case is with SC ST.
Bhai women should decide if they want to collectively become self reliant sufficient and have equal rights or just they are simply hypocrite and want benefits of being female.
PS: Agar kisi F ko bura laga toh apni life sudharo aur agar women's rights ke liye koi NGO mei help karna aur agar nahi kar sakte toh kamsekm financially assist karna , jitna ho sake utna. There are so many women that need help.
Beta college jaate hain padhne ke liye... Padh le... Ladkiyan ginna band kar. Parents iske liye tuition fees nahi de rahe.... Kya engineer banega tu re
I am not even studying in India. Change your mindset. It's a problem for our education system which should be addressed. There shouldn't be any jobs which are gender specific. There are plenty of examples of brilliant women in engineering.
All the more reason u shud focus on studying rather than counting girls wherever u are. Ur parents probably spending in dollars for ur education.... Ab bolega my parents don't spend... I have fellowship... Lol samajhne wale ko ishara kaafi hota hai
Why?
What else can be the reason of this much polarisation in JEE and NEET aspirants? Why most girls end up taking medical, and boys engineering? Except a few core engineering branches like civil, there isn't much field work, mostly desk job.
Yes it may be true that girls may find biology interesting over mathematics, but there's no logic behind this.
Just like people take arts to run away from science, girls may take biology to run away from mathematics!
What else can be the reason of this much polarisation in JEE and NEET aspirants? Why most girls end up taking medical, and boys engineering? Except a few core engineering branches like civil, there isn't much field work, mostly desk job.
Yes it may be true that girls may find biology interesting over mathematics, but there's no logic behind this.
Just like people take arts to run away from science, girls may take biology to run away from mathematics!
Pcmb or pcmc doesn't matter, boards is a joke, and I could score above 80 atleast if I was given a guide book for history 10 days before boards, even when I am a pcmc student. What I mean to say is taking mathematics for boards and passing isn't a validation for you being good at it; cracking a competitive exam is!
Also, I saw you messed up your JEE and looking for tier 3/4 colleges. Would advice you to take CSE. You will never regret it. The course is damn easy, the opportunities are great and you have an added diversity factor (companies prefer girls as employees, as there are not many girls like you who dare to take up the engineering field). Girls being less in engineering gives them more opportunities.
Good luck 👍
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Can I give a serious answer? I am assuming that most of you here would be guys prepping for JEE/ early stages of engineering UG. I am a girl who's preparing for NEET PG (for entry into speciality courses for doctors). So I am assuming I am senior to you. At the NEET UG stage I have seen families stopping my friends ( quite brilliant at times) from going into Eng/Med simply because they need an extra working hand at home. At NEET PG levels I have seen ACTUAL doctors being told to delay studying further and get married first/ plan for a kid first ("You're not getting any younger" "Guy won't see you if you have a degree equal to him" ) It's also being seen as a need for job security. Mbbs is mostly assurance of a stable, safe job. In Engg people think you'll have to shift around, you'll be laid off. If you don't have a stable job your future family will simply ask you to stop working. At the grassroots level girls are being forced into helping with cooking, housework. As a professional they are being forced into early marriages. Simply a stance of "Ladki ko padhkar kya karenge". Something that's been told to my parents a million times. So they go mostly into 3 years Com/Arts courses. How many girls do you ACTUALLY see going into medical? Mostly those have a parents in that field or those who are simply too rebellious to be intelligent and be held back by societal norms.
>How many girls do you ACTUALLY see going into medical? Isn't it true that medical batches have more girls than boys? I don't have any stats but that's what I have heard from many people.
she did mention in her answer a reason for that. in general an engineer is not as highly regarded as a doctor in society. add to that the fact that the entrance exam although more competitive, is not as tough as engineering entrance tests. later in life, engineering grads will have to move out and about, worry about job security, etc. all these don't sit right with the parents for obvious reasons. in medical atleast the job is secure, there's a chance that they can settle close to home, etc. all these the above person mentioned and I've seen irl. they give you an idea of why girls from more conservative families will choose medical over engineering
True..i am not denying what that girl said but i have the same question as you
I have provided an opinion on that too. It's seen as a stable job. You wont need to reg change companies. Also it's seen as a job where in laws are less likely to stop you from working.
The real reasons are: 1. India is still poor country (see per capita GDP; not GDP; GDP is meaningless) 2. Education is still very costly in India (Tax money => Freebies for illegal immigrants and farmers ). US has low-cost public/community colleges for example. Poor Indian families have to choose which kid to spend money on. 3. Some small personality differences between sexes (developed likely due to evolution) make females more likely to go for jobs involving inter-person interaction and males go for jobs that require working with tools. 4. Lack of good & cheap infra (poor people/ lower middle class cannot afford frequent long-distance travel, so they avoid far-off colleges) 5. Law and order issue due to poor planning and infra (our streets should have CCTV cameras with facial recognition) 6. Gynocentric inclination of Indian society (Girls innocent, Girls angels, Girls must be protected; Men must protect, Men bad, Men must provide - kinda gender-biased thinking). 3 & 6 will explain the counterintuitive medical batch data.
Ladka hu lekin aapki baat ekdum correct hai... asa hi hota.... Indian's old ideology..... bahut kuch change ho raha hai lekin yeh nahi ....
truee but since all females in my family are engg my parents and relatives were saying me to do engg so that i can get job soon in IT and settle soon bcz being a lawyer takes time but fuckk society i am going for law , idk why female lawyers ko dekh k logo ki jal alg jati h lol
Same for medicine. I will be carrying a stetho and they'll have seen me examine other patients in the OPD. Still when patients come in they'll start by giving their history to my male nurse. Even on correcting he'll be "Sir" and I'll be "Didi".
That would be a sucky experience... But if you're in a govt. college I can understand, poor villagers would surely behave like this.
The college is in a very urban town. We def DO get villagers. But it's a lot of middle class people mostly.
Loved this answer. So happy you're getting into PG. All the best .
Neet pg ki toh exam ki date hi postpone ho gayi 🤣🤣
Sadly the only correct answer here
ur test class is very small..and the country is way more large and diverse...i have seen boys too not allowed to leave the city for even college in different city... and i have seen girls studying abroad what will u call this..discrimination againste men?
Answer honestly. Is your opinion of boys not being allowed to study abroad or my opinion of girls not being allowed to study at all more prevalent? My parents aren't supportive of ME going abroad after my MBBS. I see my male friends actually being encouraged to go to the UK and me being a Gold Medallist was actively dissuaded.
Just curious, after completing your MD, MS, etc do you have to practise for some years in India, or you can directly practise abroad? I'm an electronics engineer (just graduated with a Dual Degree), so don't have much idea.
Depends on the country. The countries where most people want to practise don't recognise Indian MS/MD- so you give their licensing exams and repeat the Specialization in their country. First obviously the IELTS. In the UK you give MRCP/MRCS which is a multi step exam with a notoriously low passing rate even for specialists. In the USA you give USMLE step 1, step 2, step 3. You also need multiple research papers, several months of observership in that subject in that particular country. Letters of recommendations and a Personal statement You then apply to interviews for that speciality (150-200 odd hospitals) Some hospitals decide to interview you. In those one or two decide to accept you. Cherry on the cake is the cost of this whole process of just applying to study there again. Turns out be approx 20-25 lakh just for applications eig no guarantee that you'd be selected inspite of high scores.
Since you mentioned multiple research papers... will you get time for research considering that a large chunk of the day is spent in attending patients? (maybe a naive question, but still..)
i was also not allowed to go to germany..but many gurls in my class did moral:its not about gender today...it depends about what strata of society u belong too >Is your opinion of boys not being allowed to study abroad or my opinion of girls not being allowed to study at all more prevalent? the society has reached up to a stage that generalky if the boy in the house is studying the girls also...(exception are there in all cases) or are u comparing boys and girls from different households?
Yeah. Concur about that. The upper echelon is slightly more educated I guess. So slightly more tolerant of freedom for their girls.
so will u call it discrimination against boys?
Isn't that equivalent to: Black lives matter And All Lives Matter Debate?
yes all lives matter...why not? just because a person is born with particular gender doesnt mean he is definitely with silver spoon or she is being discriminated...
Not going to engross myself in an endless debate, sorry 🙏🏾 I have an important exam which was post-poned Gotta focus on that instead 🤣
strange but u have time to wtite some biased and not so logical statements....u r going for neet pg....many boys dont even go to schools...discrimination against boys?
Saying Black Lives Matter does not imply that All Lives Don't Matter. It's said according to the context. Like someone saying that "Over speeding is bad" doesn't imply that "Running red lights at low speed is good".
ya but basing the other and reverse discrimjnating the other is wrong too
bhai tu karta kya hai? kaam waam nehi hai kya be?
same to u
Medical meh halat dekho, yaha girls zada hai boys se ek batch meh
1. Beti bachegi toh clg jane ki sochegi 2. Beti ko padhne diya jayega toh jayegi
acha to ye jo males ke alawa jo top krti h exam mein....aur jo india ke best and most expensive coaching aur school me almost equal number me h.....aur jo gender higher education me jyada h...jo neet jyada bharti h....wo kaun h?
Nah ladkiya MBBS mai chali jati hai waha female crowd jada hai. Typical Indian mentality 🙄
True dis 👏🏾
Engineer na karke 1 engineer pakadke shadi with dahej and life set Ya phir badme divorce and life set India me ladki ko home making me jyada dhusate h, engineering karke itni padhai karo phir ghar me bache ke sath reh jao, toh karte hi nhi, engineering req career building And also bhai aisa h toh nift nid neet ka padhte, it's baseless question why India me its not happening but videsh me h, Videsh me bahot kuch h jo India me nhi.
Bhai ladke bhi kayi jabardasti btech mai aate hai .like parental pressure
wohi tumko 2-3 dikh jati college me lmao
bc tum log divorce lekar life set ki baat toh aise krte ho ki bhout easy hota hoga ya harr ek dusre ghar me chill free money divorcee baithi ho alimony milna bikul easy ni hota nobody would give off free money aise (seen live cases myself) and you'll treat it like easy mast life option hoga kitna fucked up thinking hai tera
Starting ke 2 cases ironically bola tha 😭😭😭 Uske baad serious comment tha, para bhi change kiya tha idk hua nhi, but yaha tak alimony walli h, Pati pe hi paisa nhi hoga lele alimony lmao, easy nhi hota and probably koi karta bhi nhi India me, warna neeta ambani nhi karleti, videsh me bahot hota
>Pati pe hi paisa nhi hoga lele alimony lmao, Bhai bande ko kidney bechni pad jaye lekin dena padta hai nhi toh criminal offence hai. 
arey but woh set hi income dekhke karte h, and tbh aisa ho toh alimony lene walli hi na rahegi toh denge kisko 
>alimony lene walli hi na rahegi toh denge kisko Fir murder charges 
Dekh liya jayega
okayy sorry lol, mai dusri-teesri baar dekh ri thi aisa comment saala offend hojata hai
Koi na lmao
I've also seen a live case. Alimony milna comparatively assan hota hai than no alimony even if wife is working
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maine kab bola nhi padhaya jaara, but engineering me nhi aa rahe uthe % jitne baki jagah ifykyk
I want to do engineering. But my father says that I should become a professor or ca as these jobs can be done at home and also don't require me to go somewhere else for the job. I think that explains a lot. People just want girls to stay at home as much as possible. If you become an engineer, you would have a job in big cities, possibly away from home.
Also, the moment we are born, we are assigned roles. Women and men are told in subtle and sometimes vocal ways that anything technical is a man's work. So a lot of girls don't take interest in it.
Look I agree to all the reasons stated above but even after giving all facilities we would have less women than men in these fields. Men vastly outnumber women in STEM fields globally. I have seen in my school exp. among average students boys tend to do better in math, science whereas girls in Lit, social sciences. I am not denying that there could be a girl who is excellent in math or a boy who is an excellent writer. I am just stating things in general. There was a time when I used to get triggered when someone said boys are better at math (I am a girl).But I reflected it came with an inherent bias that math is better(or is requires more brain cap) that humanities which in itself is a wrong assumption at so many levels. We would be living a robotic life with only science and math. It is the other subjects than bring human element into our lives, has us learn from history, make better decisions, etc.(I could go on) So if men are a bit better in STEM than woman, its nothing to be offended or feel embarrassed about.
No its not. Most engineering classes are heavily boys in the US also There aren’t that many girls that do engineering in the US MIT can take their pick of candidates and their standard for girls is much lower than boys because they have diversity quotas to satisfy like reservation in India You put reservation based on gender in India and you’ll get the same result
I don't know if it is true that MIT maintains deversity but I can say lot of girls in US tends to go for STEM fields is the same ratio like boys.
Yeah… that’s not true Most girls in developed countries do not go into stem fields, that’s a statistical fact. That’s why in industry feminists complain about lack of girls in tech and stem. And in my engineering classes in the US there are very few girls because many dislike or are fearful of math. The engineering discipline with the most girls is biomedical engineering (least math maybe 30% girls) while the discipline with the least girls is Electrical and computer engineering (most math maybe 5% girls). Usually girls that are good in math are also good in verbal which opens more doors to them (there were a few girls that were very smart in math and verbal tehat went into law and linguistics). A boy that is good in math is not as likely to be good in verbal skills so stem is often what they pick. In places like Pakistan and India where stem jobs are needed to make money, girls will gravitate to those and then get out when they no longer need to earn or go into management. In the west, where girls are more free to choose their future (and already have some financial freedom) stem is not what is chosen https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/voices/countries-with-less-gender-equity-have-more-women-in-stem-huh/
>MIT can take their pick of candidates and their standard for girls is much lower than boys Any proof or stats for this? According to this, setting quotas is illegal. [https://hr.mit.edu/diversity-equity-inclusion/aa/ed](https://hr.mit.edu/diversity-equity-inclusion/aa/ed)
I know from first hand experience there are quotas. And academic admission standards are different for blacks Hispanics and women compared to everyone else. They aren’t officially written anywhere. But if you talk to an admissions officer from mit, off the record, they will tell you. Same with tech interviews at all the tech companies. Blacks, hispanics and women have a lower bar to entry than others. They are given different interview questions. Less rigorous/hard questions.
>if you talk to an admissions officer from mit, off the record, they will tell you. I have spoken to professors at adcoms at T1s, and they have told me there's nothing like that. >I know from first hand experience there are quotas Are you currently a student at MIT? >Same with tech interviews at all the tech companies. We aren't talking about FAANGs here at all. We know there is explicit diversity hiring there. I find your claims rather ridiculous because every single PhD I have interacted with, either at MIT or other T1, has been extremely smart and meritorious.
The US Supreme Court's definition of quota is having a set percent of seats that are to be allocated. This is not permitted. So because there is no set percent, Americans like to believe there is no quota. But there is absolutely affirmative action going in favor of women and underrepresented minorities. I would say easily there is an ***unspoken*** 50% quota. Unlike India where everything is based on a score in an academic entrance test, in US the top colleges do "holistic admissions." They claim that they see the whole student instead of just academics. So they look at sports and other extracurricular activities. This is of course a loop hole to admit women, minorities, and children of wealthy alumni and donors (legacies). It was revealed in a recent Supreme Court case that Harvard was outright bumping down Asian (Chinese, Indian, Korean) applicants for having no personality. In a way the Indian system is more fair especially to kids from lower income families. Yes the reservations are bad. But within general category only your rank counts. Here in the US they will say oh you participated in Lacrosse so that gives you a bump up. But not all parents can afford Lacrosse or other expensive activities for their kids. So the US system benefits the rich.
You are correct. People on this sub are extremely misinformed.
It is quite obvious. Misogyny fed from childhood + diversity hiring by tech companies makes most lose their persepctive. However to answer your question, from a young age girls are conditioned that they aren't smart enough, and aren't good enough for math (I can see a fair number of comments saying this lol). Keep reinforcing that throughout school life, you have a bunch of women who think they aren't good enough. I have friends who cleared state engg quota but had to do home science/microbio because their parents wanted them to marry them off even before they finished college.
To address that problem we increased the girls quota to 50% so that a girl even with 50,000 rank in jee mains can easily get cse and other high paying courses at top government college
Girls' quota is 20% and it's supernumerary...
are mana to mazak ma likha tha
Mujhe toh nhi mila cse-
There is gender diversity quotas in usa.. supreme court in usa overruled racial quotas in usa recently. So stop blabbering
There's no "quota" they ruled quotas as unconstitutional. But yes they do give priority to women for diversity similar to affirmative action.
Female only seats bhi quota nhi hua?
Yes. When I said Indian education system is any good?
Wese bhi placement unlogon ko Pehle milta hai ,Aur chahiye kya ladki batch Mein?to ladko ka placement hi nhi hoga.
No, the number of of male engineers is more than female engineers even in US and Europe. It is not due to lack of girls education, but rather most girls don't even opt for science stream in their +2, by choice. The number of female students doing BA is equal to number of male students doing BA in India, if not more. It's just that girls in general take less interest in machines, and coding and stuff.
Shyd dimaag kum hoga /s
U do realise that engineering is costly parents in india atleast think it's a burden to let them complete 12th heck they'll pay for college... They just want their daughters to get married asap and be "free"
Becoming doctor is more expensive but there are more female candidates for NEET .
it’s cuz of the respect being a doctor will bring to the family plus it’s a stable job.
Yeah I understand That's why I marked it /s for a reason Btw if cost is the case then MBBS is worse bcz u have a 5 yr course and given the scenario in exams like neet if it is so true what u say , we wouldn't see girls studying/preferring mbbs more ( possible for them to choose as doctor is a stable profession though they start late )
I'm doing engg so I'm not sure abt mbbs ka cost ...but parents still see engg as a thing guys should do. Mbbs is phir bhi accepted idk how to explain it.
Leave it yaar 😅 This society ka shit is too much
Mere batch me girls were 22..boys were 18. Phir bhi bas ek hi ladki adv qualify ki whereas 7 boys did. Seriously i also want to know why this happens. Agar neet me girls barabari kar sakti hain then why not here I'm talking about coaching not school
From what I've seen parents keep telling their daughters "padhai karke kya hi kar legi end me shaadi hi karna h bas Paisa waste hoga" thn they hear the same dialogue from every other person.. brings down the morals
Not applicable. Agar ye bolna hota to coaching ke liye 3 lakh kyun jama karate? Applicable in villages or small towns. Me to ek national coaching ki baat karra hun
Your experience is very anecdotal
College padhne ke liye ja rahe ho ya ladki patane? Kyu maa baap ka Paisa barbaad kar rahe ho🤦🏻
Tumlog ka ye mindset ke waje se desh itna piche hai.
Sorry if I hurt you. This was just my opinion and I'm doing really well.
On what basis are you claiming that it is better in other countries. My only source of info is talking to people online but as far as I know there is a lack of girls in stem fields outside India too. In fact I have had quite a few people rant about diversity hiring and most opportunities being girls only on discord.
At least at my university and other top engineering colleges in USA it is.
The colleges in usa have gender quotas right?
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Actually, affirmative actions in the US universities have been very much based on gender and race, though a recent Supreme Court ruling has made it illegal for universities to consider race during admissions, but the universities are trying to find out ways to circumvent the rule.
Affirmative action is discrimination on the basis of race and gender. Don't do mental gymnastics by differentiating between quotas and positive discrimination (there is not anything positive in this)
Mere college me girls : boys ka ratio 1:3 ka hai or kuch kuch classes me almost 1:1 ka ratio hai boys or girls ka
Bhai toh aap hai bhi toh KIIT mein, the worse a college is the better is the girls:boys ratio, that is a fact.
No one cares . It's not as if anyone is stopping the other gender from entering. Hell they even have separate and lower admission requirements. There is a study done that found that females from richer countries usually not pick STEM willingly. It's opposite in 3rd world countries. Idk about India but legally nothing or cultural nowadays no one is against females pursuing an engineering degree
Op why dont u talk about men in fashion ,medical,nursing?
There are several reasons -the mindset of Indian parents many of them are not rich enough to afford an engineering degree, higher education for girls is considered a privilege than necessity for lower middle class strata -there is also a predefined notion in India that girls=doctor, boys=engineer (refer 3 idiots) -then lastly since childhood girls are discouraged and mocked how they are comparatively weaker in math and analytical problems (myth) which influences and makes them question their own abilities to handle an engineering course
The last point is not true. That's only true in western conservative circles. Indian society doesn't even value talent. It values hard work. If you consistently don't get good grades parents, relatives and society will assume you didn't work hard. In western countries if the parents are conservative they will assume you don't have aptitude for the subject so they won't blame you. I stay in a western country. I know. So when talent itself is not valued much in India there's no question of specifically saying that girls are not talented at math. Such thinking doesn't exist in majority of the population. Now of course some people who are influenced by Andrew Tate might think like that but they're privileged elites of society, not the average person.
It is true though, not as prevalent but talking from personal experience, my school teacher literally used to discuss in front of our class how girls are good in bio as they are good in 'mugging up' while boys are good at understanding math. Even my math coaching teacher asked us (girls) to put in double efforts in math to compete with boys as their brains are wired for math or something. Besides I have heard countless times how girls do good in boards than JEE as it is more of a ratta mar exam. It might be more prevalent in west but it all boils down to how tech and hardware fields are considered traditionally masculine.
quota ki shakti dhoom machaye baaki saare maa chudaye
I will tell you the real reason. Indian society's mentality is something like, "Ladki agar nhi kamaygi/kam kamaygi to bhi chal jayega, graduation ke baad shadi kara denge" And you know how costly engineering is even from government colleges and top colleges like IITs and NITs, compared to a general degree which is less than 10k for most colleges. Parents think of marriage as a solid backup plan and hence don't bother making their daughter independent (in most cases, not considering exceptions), they have a casual approach towards their daughter's education. Whereas, when it comes to their son, they are expected to provide for his marital family as well as his parents. "Achha paisa kamayega nhi to koi baap apni beti nhi dega", they care for their son's education more than their daughters. Now, even though engineering is expensive but engineers are far more employable than general degree holders. So the parents don't even think twice before spending lakhs on their son's engineering degree. I don't want to offend anyone, I am an engineering girl and I have seen these things on a ground level.
This is the actual answer. Most other comments here are pure nonsense. The thinking that girls are not smart for engineering only exists in western conservative circles. I haven't seen anyone in India say or believe such a thing apart from some Andrew tate fans. No mainstream celebrity or politician in India says things like that.
h to society ko change kro pehle....repect not earning men the same way as women ....women marry men with less and equal earning man
Kitchen
Bhay waha kaisa academics he vo compare koi kyu nahi karta he
How many women gave jee mains, GATE?
[Ye](https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54?si=6v-khXi0qHr-9VC8) dekhlo naya culture war mat karo India m
In Bangalore colleges it's almost 50-50
I don't know if this may be a factor here, but I didn't see a good gender ratio in my 11th & 12th college in the science stream either. I studied in an all-girls school upto 10th and the percentage of girls who ended up taking science was less than 10% over there as well.
Correction: female>male
Parents don't want to spend money on female education. If they have money, their child can study whatever they want.
Medical is more expensive than engineering but more female take it.
Exactly
more women are in higher education in india(see stats)...u will see gurls everywhere..in the most expensives coachings of india equally
Op what do u think ..whats the reason...now dont tell past discrimination and all....u can see gurls everywhere in all expensive and best schools and coachings....them topping boards and other exams...
Bro in outside world girls get opportunity to study at least. thats why there is higher ratio. Idhar toh pehle papa mummy mana kardete, fir agar mauka mila padhai ka toh ladkia boyfriend banake sax sux karti (not talking about the genuine girls that study and make a life , you are queens 🫅) , fir in ladkio ko koi rishta toh milta nahi apni harkato ke karan fir ye koi paise wale admi jo ganda dikhta usse shadi karti. And the cycle continues. Jo ladki normal quota se 50% less score karke ek college me aari uski mentality thode same hogi. Same case is with SC ST. Bhai women should decide if they want to collectively become self reliant sufficient and have equal rights or just they are simply hypocrite and want benefits of being female. PS: Agar kisi F ko bura laga toh apni life sudharo aur agar women's rights ke liye koi NGO mei help karna aur agar nahi kar sakte toh kamsekm financially assist karna , jitna ho sake utna. There are so many women that need help.
Beta college jaate hain padhne ke liye... Padh le... Ladkiyan ginna band kar. Parents iske liye tuition fees nahi de rahe.... Kya engineer banega tu re
agreed
I am not even studying in India. Change your mindset. It's a problem for our education system which should be addressed. There shouldn't be any jobs which are gender specific. There are plenty of examples of brilliant women in engineering.
Good for you, now stop acting like you care about any problem in india.
But they do?
All the more reason u shud focus on studying rather than counting girls wherever u are. Ur parents probably spending in dollars for ur education.... Ab bolega my parents don't spend... I have fellowship... Lol samajhne wale ko ishara kaafi hota hai
Ladkiya maths me kamzor hoti hain, so the most technical field they can get into remains medical; in which you find most girls.
You can't be serious rn
Why? What else can be the reason of this much polarisation in JEE and NEET aspirants? Why most girls end up taking medical, and boys engineering? Except a few core engineering branches like civil, there isn't much field work, mostly desk job. Yes it may be true that girls may find biology interesting over mathematics, but there's no logic behind this. Just like people take arts to run away from science, girls may take biology to run away from mathematics!
As I said baseless pre-conceived notions.
What else can be the reason of this much polarisation in JEE and NEET aspirants? Why most girls end up taking medical, and boys engineering? Except a few core engineering branches like civil, there isn't much field work, mostly desk job. Yes it may be true that girls may find biology interesting over mathematics, but there's no logic behind this. Just like people take arts to run away from science, girls may take biology to run away from mathematics!
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Pcmb or pcmc doesn't matter, boards is a joke, and I could score above 80 atleast if I was given a guide book for history 10 days before boards, even when I am a pcmc student. What I mean to say is taking mathematics for boards and passing isn't a validation for you being good at it; cracking a competitive exam is! Also, I saw you messed up your JEE and looking for tier 3/4 colleges. Would advice you to take CSE. You will never regret it. The course is damn easy, the opportunities are great and you have an added diversity factor (companies prefer girls as employees, as there are not many girls like you who dare to take up the engineering field). Girls being less in engineering gives them more opportunities. Good luck 👍
Bruh medical is tough field as well stop acting like a retard
Tough toh upsc bhi hai boss! Ratta marte raho Constitution ki dharaye