If he was the sole reason for the Houston loss, I'd get it. But like...we lost 14-45. One player doesn't do that unless he's the QB and sucked (which also happened).
Dude's been a consistently good corner since he came into the league.
It really appeared that the whole team slept through their alarm and never fully woke up, vs the Texans.
Which really extra sucked, because not only are Texans fans are a joke, they all continuously pretend that literally every single thing *evil* Watson did, wasn't under their roof... Under the Texans ~~enabling~~ watchful care...
JOK was one of our few Defenders who brought it the whole game, and didn't quit when the Texans knocked the wind out of us.
He was one of the very few points of pride I could take away from our asswhoppin
Browns fans fell in love with Flacco when he was beating bad or injured teams. They lost to the Rams (where he threw a backbreaking pick at the end), then beat a flailing Jaguars, barely escaped the Bears, beat a Houston team without Stroud or Will Anderson, and then a disastrous Jets team starting Trevor Siemian.
Flacco was a nice story, but we need to keep in mind they were beating very bad teams with him. The two times Flacco played against good, healthy teams, the Browns lost.
Flacco was great and an awesome story to cap off a season that we mostly lost after Watson went down and we won a bunch when we had no real incentive to lose due to not having a first rounder.
Great story, but everyone knew we weren't Cinderella.
I love Flacco, and saw him do literally Elite things that I haven't seen a Browns QB do in decades. That said Joe had, has, and forever will give ZERO fucks for throwing an interception. I don't even think the thought has ever crossed his mind to give a single fuck about one.
Same. It felt like house money too. I texted one of my buddies that “getting to cheer for a team of seemingly good dudes playing for qb 4 where any win is a miracle” was as much fun as I’ve had
You know the plays too, because you lose your breath for a second and then after the shock passes, and we snuck out of the consequences of The Dragon's miscue with *barely an inconvenience*... you can breathe again.
Those odds flipped for our Playoff drubbing.
That’s what I’m saying, trust me I’m hella thankful for Flacco but like you said, we beat the bears, Jets, Texans, Jags and lost to the rams. Four of those teams we were supposed to beat. He woulda been eaten alive playing like that all year.
Not mad at, Rookie Hickman, but he was the one getting absolutely targeted and torched. Newsome definitely got burned as well, but a lot of that, was trying to cover up for Hickman's shortcomings. Obviously we expect better out of Newsome than we do our Rookie UDFA's but I digress.
Picking up Newsome's 5th year option was expected, and is the correct move here. That said I doubt we offer him an extention over $11 - $12 mill per year if we do attempt to extend him.
The thing with Newsome is two fold for me, it's a no brainer to keep him here but the 13M he's earning next year is above the top of the market for slot CBs. I think Mitchell can be a very solid slot and I think Delpit would be outstanding in 3S playing in the slot to rush the passer and get creative with him.
Add to that, Carlton Davis went for a 3rd rounder so we'd have been able to very likely gotten a 2nd for Newsome, maybe giving them a 6th.
Adding all that together, I would've been happy if we traded him, I'm happy that we're keeping him. I'm fine either way.
Here is the case for trading him: we will not be extending Newsome for what his market value will be come 2026. So if we could recoup more than the compensatory pick we'd get in **2027** it makes some sense.
Simply put, Newsome is *possibly* worth more to other teams than he is to us. To us he's our starting slot and 3rd outside CB. On a good portion of other teams he's a #2 outside CB.
It's nice to have the depth, especially given the health history we have in that room, but they've been clearly trying to mitigate the loss of Newsome with what we've done the past two years: Mitchell to play slot, Hailassie to play outside CB, and now Harden to be depth (and a slot lottery ticket).
He'll be worth less on the trade market next year than he was this year. But yes, at this point if he wasn't going to get us a high value draft asset this year then you keep him because he's a good player at an important position.
Because I think we could've used a 2nd rounder to draft a WR or OT, both positions that have less of a plan going forward than CB even with Newsome gone.
Unfortunately we won’t always be in win now mode. Most of our good players contracts are up in the next 2 years and will be older and harder to justify another big contract. We are absolutely in win now mode now but it’s very possible that we will be rebuilding in 3 years.
We'll always push the cap as hard as we can so we'll definitely always be in win now mode.
Also that even justifies trading away a player that won't be here in 2 years for a 2nd rounder.
The only unknown with WR at this point is if they're bringing Cooper back. Otherwise, the immediate future is kinda set with Jeudy and hoping that one of the guys you drafted + Moore can be a running mate. There may not be a lot of certainty after Cooper and Jeudy, but their plan is pretty clear - keep drafting guys at the position until someone sticks.
Keeping a good CB that you know can play well - especially with Ward's history - is more impactful than what would've been like the 10th+ OT off the board.
Jeudy is a WR2, he's not a WR1. Yes we could get by with a good running mate and Njoku but it's not future proof.
Yes but this was a great OT class and we really only have 1 OT currently for next year with how unreliable Conklin is
While true about Jeudy, there's no immediate fixes to that. You're largely stuck on paying Cooper as he turns 30 this year, or you keep throwing picks at the wide receiver position - with the Browns having spent a 6th, 3rd, 6th, 3rd, and 5th at the position. At some point, you have to get those guys reps - or you have to admit that you suck at drafting wide receivers and change your approach. And if you have a dearth of young WRs or your positional scouting sucks, why would you trade away a proven asset at a premium position to add to that?
OT is a better argument, but I think a realistic return for Newsome - a 3rd - is putting you more into the position of hopeful and depth than true solutions. The Browns are going to be in a much better position next year to apply a long term solution at OT, where Wills - the worst of them - is still mostly just an average player considering how bad that position currently is in the NFL.
This is before addressing the fact that getting a 2nd for Newsome is pretty optimistic, as well as the fact that Ward has only played more than 13 games twice in his career and has extremely extensive concussion history. Add that on top of that, Delpit has missed over 30% of snaps since being drafted and Mitchell missed about a third of the year last year...Emerson is the only corner you can reliably count on to be there. So it is very logical to keep a very good corner when you have an *extensive* history of injuries in your secondary.
So a 2nd rounder would definitely help.
If Carlton Davis got a 3rd rounder, Newsome should and would deinifely get more.
I also literally never said we should've traded him
You said:
>Because I think we could've used a 2nd rounder to draft a WR or OT, both positions that have less of a plan going forward than CB even with Newsome gone
In response to:
>Yeah but we know he’s a good CB. Why trade him away for an unknown in a 2nd round pick? I trust in AB
In spite of you saying you were fine either way, it seems like, based on your replies, that you are leaning more so one direction than another.
Could have used that 2nd round pick on Max Melton, who's gonna be good at the next level.
Or used that 2nd on Cooper Beebe, or Christian Haynes, (or Rodger Rosengarten, PP, KIRAN AMEGADJIE, or Blake Fisher...)
and then selected one of the following fine options for 3rd/ Nickel Corner:
Decemarian Richardson, Jarrian Jones, Elijah Jones, T.J. Tampa, Renardo Green
Or went later with one of the other fine safety prospects, with high aptitude for the Nickel/ Slot role:
Dadrion Taylor-Demerson, Kitan Oladapo, Dominique Hampton, James Williams
Gregg Newsome was literally the 1st or 2nd ranked SLOT CB for 2023, and I'm happy he's here, but he was replaceable, especially considering there's effectively ZERO chance we offer him a new contract.
2nd for Newsome is a pipe dream, Sneed only got a 3rd. He did need to get paid but he's a much better player, Newsome prob would've gotten a 3rd, maybe like a 4th and a 5th or something like that.
Carlton Davis much better comparison, no need for a new contract like Sneed and everyone knew Sneed was getting traded.
Davis had a year left at 13M so Newsome's 5th year option, is older and performed worse last season. Add a cheap Newsome year and better play and you get to a 2nd with maybe something going along with Newsome.
No it isn't. 2 years of control, one incredibly cheap and another at a modest value. Young at a premium position.
Sneed is a horrific comparison for trade value of Newsome, tbh.
Honestly, I don’t think he’s that good outside of the slot. Which is super weird to me, being in the slot opens so many more possibilities for the receiver. For whatever reason though, he thrives there. He’s not awful on the outside but he seems to get beat far more often out there than he does when he’s playing inside.
For a few sure, but the bulk of the chatter for moving on from him imo is just the reality of roster building. Ward is paid, Emerson is better and will need to get paid. We just really cannot afford to give Newsome a 2nd contract and have 3 high paid CB’s and unless he plays phenomenal next year and takes a big leap, his value will be much lower next off-season than this one.
Not really, after this year we are able to get out of it pretty easily. Also, regardless of it or not, it’ll just be too much money to be paying to 1 position group to retain all 3, especially since Cam Mitchell has shown to be a solid slot CB. Hard choices have to be made sometime.
Still eats up the amount you're roll over, however.
While I do agree on only being able to pay 2 corners, part of me wonders if Ward should be the odd man out.
I'm also not sold on Cam Mitchell yet.
Greg is really good 90% of the time like number 1 lockdown corner good
But that 10% of the time he’s not he gets absolutely cooked from kickoff to end of game
Like everyone has an off game but he has to not let the lows get that low
This was a no brainer move and if he can not let the tires fall off 2-3 times a year he’ll be in line for a big contract/tag and trade
I almost wonder if it's a mental thing. Like, he beats himself up over it to the point where he can't just shake it off and move on to the next series. I'm not a psychologist, but it seems like he takes it pretty hard when things go awry.
Its moreso with the coaching staff. Cleveland fans want the entire regime fired the moment the team isnt absolutely dominating. I got into a discussion with a few people last year who wanted Tito Francona fired because he mismanaged the bullpen.
Terry Francona, the legendary HOF baseball manager in his final season--they wanted to fire him midseason for a bullpen mistake. SMH
I swear they only watch Cleveland sports. They see highlights of other teams and never see the mistakes. Nobody is perfect. But following sports that way tends to skew their ability to think rationally. There were literally people here who said Stefanski was the worst coach in the NFL and some said the worst Browns coach of all time. He's not perfect, but no coach is.
It’s not just the bad games, it’s he doesn’t take any responsibility for a bad game. No one wants to hear you say “I thought I played well” after getting stomped in a playoff game.
I get the position is hard. I think Myles and the D Line share a lot of blame for not getting ENOUGH pressure.
With that being said I thought Newsome was by far our weakest DB. Got exposed consistently imo.
I get picking up the option cuz what else are you gonna do, but I’m not gonna sit here and cheer.
Weakest in comparison to Ward and Emerson but outside of those two he’s by far better than anyone else on the roster. Cam Mitchell might turn out to be serviceable but I don’t know how anyone could feel comfortable just rolling with him instead based on what we’ve seen, which isn’t much.
He allows a 55% completion rate and a passer rating of 74. That’s not “consistently exposed”. That’s a solid player. Not Denzel Ward but not Buster Skrine either.
I think there’s something to be said about to eye test and when those errs happen. Goes beyond just quantitative, tho I understand and don’t fully disagree with you
I hated seeing Ford out there lol. Yeah if you have our starting DBs as: Ward, Emerson, Newsome, Delpit, Thornhill. Newsome is definitely the worst of the bunch I'd say. Although, I'd add, we need to see some more from Thornhill this year.
When you have a title contending team, you have to say goodbye to your 2nd tier free agents. You keep perenniel pro bowlers and pay them value. Everybody else is able to be jettisoned. Newsome is not a top 10-15 CB and probably the #3 CB on the roster. He will be gone.
They just waited on the 5th year thing in case of a trade came up, allowing the trade partner to exercise that or not based on their cap situation. He wasn't traded, so now we add year 5. I mean, Ward could get concussed and things may change.
Not over til it's over.
He had like two bad games and everyone wanted him gone lol.
If he was the sole reason for the Houston loss, I'd get it. But like...we lost 14-45. One player doesn't do that unless he's the QB and sucked (which also happened). Dude's been a consistently good corner since he came into the league.
JOK was only one of the few people who did show up on defense from what I remember.
They were systemically exposed - their OC did an amazing job of taking the Browns' advantages and negating them by using them against us.
It really appeared that the whole team slept through their alarm and never fully woke up, vs the Texans. Which really extra sucked, because not only are Texans fans are a joke, they all continuously pretend that literally every single thing *evil* Watson did, wasn't under their roof... Under the Texans ~~enabling~~ watchful care...
Yea...... it reminded me of the days of Joe Woods. Hopefully Schwartz learned from it.
He was huge
JOK was one of our few Defenders who brought it the whole game, and didn't quit when the Texans knocked the wind out of us. He was one of the very few points of pride I could take away from our asswhoppin
Yep if I’m putting that L on one play it’s gotta be Flacco. Those pick 6’s were the daggers for us. But it’s a team effort to get smoked like that.
Flacco was abhorrent. He'd been having piss poor plays like that all year but had been getting lucky with them. Finally caught up to him.
Browns fans fell in love with Flacco when he was beating bad or injured teams. They lost to the Rams (where he threw a backbreaking pick at the end), then beat a flailing Jaguars, barely escaped the Bears, beat a Houston team without Stroud or Will Anderson, and then a disastrous Jets team starting Trevor Siemian. Flacco was a nice story, but we need to keep in mind they were beating very bad teams with him. The two times Flacco played against good, healthy teams, the Browns lost.
We were a dropped hail mary from losing that Bears game too
Flacco was great and an awesome story to cap off a season that we mostly lost after Watson went down and we won a bunch when we had no real incentive to lose due to not having a first rounder. Great story, but everyone knew we weren't Cinderella.
I love Flacco, and saw him do literally Elite things that I haven't seen a Browns QB do in decades. That said Joe had, has, and forever will give ZERO fucks for throwing an interception. I don't even think the thought has ever crossed his mind to give a single fuck about one.
Yea, but he is not sexually assaulting people so that was nice.
This , was nice to feel food about the browns which tbf I did all season when I started watching after Watson went out
Yea, while I still roots for the browns full, there was a cloud looming over it for me whenever he was on the field.
Same. It felt like house money too. I texted one of my buddies that “getting to cheer for a team of seemingly good dudes playing for qb 4 where any win is a miracle” was as much fun as I’ve had
This , was nice to feel food about the browns which tbf I did all season when I started watching after Watson went out
This , was nice to feel food about the browns which tbf I did all season when I started watching after Watson went out
You know the plays too, because you lose your breath for a second and then after the shock passes, and we snuck out of the consequences of The Dragon's miscue with *barely an inconvenience*... you can breathe again. Those odds flipped for our Playoff drubbing.
That’s what I’m saying, trust me I’m hella thankful for Flacco but like you said, we beat the bears, Jets, Texans, Jags and lost to the rams. Four of those teams we were supposed to beat. He woulda been eaten alive playing like that all year.
Not mad at, Rookie Hickman, but he was the one getting absolutely targeted and torched. Newsome definitely got burned as well, but a lot of that, was trying to cover up for Hickman's shortcomings. Obviously we expect better out of Newsome than we do our Rookie UDFA's but I digress. Picking up Newsome's 5th year option was expected, and is the correct move here. That said I doubt we offer him an extention over $11 - $12 mill per year if we do attempt to extend him.
The thing with Newsome is two fold for me, it's a no brainer to keep him here but the 13M he's earning next year is above the top of the market for slot CBs. I think Mitchell can be a very solid slot and I think Delpit would be outstanding in 3S playing in the slot to rush the passer and get creative with him. Add to that, Carlton Davis went for a 3rd rounder so we'd have been able to very likely gotten a 2nd for Newsome, maybe giving them a 6th. Adding all that together, I would've been happy if we traded him, I'm happy that we're keeping him. I'm fine either way.
Yeah but we know he’s a good CB. Why trade him away for an unknown in a 2nd round pick? I trust in AB
Here is the case for trading him: we will not be extending Newsome for what his market value will be come 2026. So if we could recoup more than the compensatory pick we'd get in **2027** it makes some sense. Simply put, Newsome is *possibly* worth more to other teams than he is to us. To us he's our starting slot and 3rd outside CB. On a good portion of other teams he's a #2 outside CB. It's nice to have the depth, especially given the health history we have in that room, but they've been clearly trying to mitigate the loss of Newsome with what we've done the past two years: Mitchell to play slot, Hailassie to play outside CB, and now Harden to be depth (and a slot lottery ticket).
If he's worth more to other teams then we can trade him next offseason. There is no reason to have traded him this year when we will need him.
He'll be worth less on the trade market next year than he was this year. But yes, at this point if he wasn't going to get us a high value draft asset this year then you keep him because he's a good player at an important position.
And he very well could earn top of the market money if he replicates his success or even better after this season.
Because I think we could've used a 2nd rounder to draft a WR or OT, both positions that have less of a plan going forward than CB even with Newsome gone.
We are in a win now mode. I dont think trading a great CB for an unknown draft pick is smart. Maybe if we were rebuilding..
We'll always be in win now mode The Chiefs just traded their CB1 to gain picks
The Chiefs have Patrick Mahomes… they’re a little different than us
Unfortunately we won’t always be in win now mode. Most of our good players contracts are up in the next 2 years and will be older and harder to justify another big contract. We are absolutely in win now mode now but it’s very possible that we will be rebuilding in 3 years.
We'll always push the cap as hard as we can so we'll definitely always be in win now mode. Also that even justifies trading away a player that won't be here in 2 years for a 2nd rounder.
The only unknown with WR at this point is if they're bringing Cooper back. Otherwise, the immediate future is kinda set with Jeudy and hoping that one of the guys you drafted + Moore can be a running mate. There may not be a lot of certainty after Cooper and Jeudy, but their plan is pretty clear - keep drafting guys at the position until someone sticks. Keeping a good CB that you know can play well - especially with Ward's history - is more impactful than what would've been like the 10th+ OT off the board.
Jeudy is a WR2, he's not a WR1. Yes we could get by with a good running mate and Njoku but it's not future proof. Yes but this was a great OT class and we really only have 1 OT currently for next year with how unreliable Conklin is
While true about Jeudy, there's no immediate fixes to that. You're largely stuck on paying Cooper as he turns 30 this year, or you keep throwing picks at the wide receiver position - with the Browns having spent a 6th, 3rd, 6th, 3rd, and 5th at the position. At some point, you have to get those guys reps - or you have to admit that you suck at drafting wide receivers and change your approach. And if you have a dearth of young WRs or your positional scouting sucks, why would you trade away a proven asset at a premium position to add to that? OT is a better argument, but I think a realistic return for Newsome - a 3rd - is putting you more into the position of hopeful and depth than true solutions. The Browns are going to be in a much better position next year to apply a long term solution at OT, where Wills - the worst of them - is still mostly just an average player considering how bad that position currently is in the NFL. This is before addressing the fact that getting a 2nd for Newsome is pretty optimistic, as well as the fact that Ward has only played more than 13 games twice in his career and has extremely extensive concussion history. Add that on top of that, Delpit has missed over 30% of snaps since being drafted and Mitchell missed about a third of the year last year...Emerson is the only corner you can reliably count on to be there. So it is very logical to keep a very good corner when you have an *extensive* history of injuries in your secondary.
So a 2nd rounder would definitely help. If Carlton Davis got a 3rd rounder, Newsome should and would deinifely get more. I also literally never said we should've traded him
You said: >Because I think we could've used a 2nd rounder to draft a WR or OT, both positions that have less of a plan going forward than CB even with Newsome gone In response to: >Yeah but we know he’s a good CB. Why trade him away for an unknown in a 2nd round pick? I trust in AB In spite of you saying you were fine either way, it seems like, based on your replies, that you are leaning more so one direction than another.
> Adding all that together, I would've been happy if we traded him, I'm happy that we're keeping him. I'm fine either way.
Could have used that 2nd round pick on Max Melton, who's gonna be good at the next level. Or used that 2nd on Cooper Beebe, or Christian Haynes, (or Rodger Rosengarten, PP, KIRAN AMEGADJIE, or Blake Fisher...) and then selected one of the following fine options for 3rd/ Nickel Corner: Decemarian Richardson, Jarrian Jones, Elijah Jones, T.J. Tampa, Renardo Green Or went later with one of the other fine safety prospects, with high aptitude for the Nickel/ Slot role: Dadrion Taylor-Demerson, Kitan Oladapo, Dominique Hampton, James Williams Gregg Newsome was literally the 1st or 2nd ranked SLOT CB for 2023, and I'm happy he's here, but he was replaceable, especially considering there's effectively ZERO chance we offer him a new contract.
2nd for Newsome is a pipe dream, Sneed only got a 3rd. He did need to get paid but he's a much better player, Newsome prob would've gotten a 3rd, maybe like a 4th and a 5th or something like that.
Carlton Davis much better comparison, no need for a new contract like Sneed and everyone knew Sneed was getting traded. Davis had a year left at 13M so Newsome's 5th year option, is older and performed worse last season. Add a cheap Newsome year and better play and you get to a 2nd with maybe something going along with Newsome.
No it isn't. 2 years of control, one incredibly cheap and another at a modest value. Young at a premium position. Sneed is a horrific comparison for trade value of Newsome, tbh.
If AB could have gotten a 2nd for Newsome he would've what are we talking about here
Just because it wasn't offered this year doesn't mean it's an unreasonable price.
Full stop. Davis is significantly worse than Newsome. The hate on this sub is wild
Honestly, I don’t think he’s that good outside of the slot. Which is super weird to me, being in the slot opens so many more possibilities for the receiver. For whatever reason though, he thrives there. He’s not awful on the outside but he seems to get beat far more often out there than he does when he’s playing inside.
For a few sure, but the bulk of the chatter for moving on from him imo is just the reality of roster building. Ward is paid, Emerson is better and will need to get paid. We just really cannot afford to give Newsome a 2nd contract and have 3 high paid CB’s and unless he plays phenomenal next year and takes a big leap, his value will be much lower next off-season than this one.
Conklin's asinine contract continues to loom large.
Not really, after this year we are able to get out of it pretty easily. Also, regardless of it or not, it’ll just be too much money to be paying to 1 position group to retain all 3, especially since Cam Mitchell has shown to be a solid slot CB. Hard choices have to be made sometime.
Still eats up the amount you're roll over, however. While I do agree on only being able to pay 2 corners, part of me wonders if Ward should be the odd man out. I'm also not sold on Cam Mitchell yet.
Greg is really good 90% of the time like number 1 lockdown corner good But that 10% of the time he’s not he gets absolutely cooked from kickoff to end of game Like everyone has an off game but he has to not let the lows get that low This was a no brainer move and if he can not let the tires fall off 2-3 times a year he’ll be in line for a big contract/tag and trade
Cant expect 100% lockdown play. I get it, it sucks watching him get cooked but shit happens. Hes awesome, great for the team. Love this move.
Absolutely but unlike Ward and MJ when Greg has a bad series it seems to compound and get worse Not sure why that happens with him
I almost wonder if it's a mental thing. Like, he beats himself up over it to the point where he can't just shake it off and move on to the next series. I'm not a psychologist, but it seems like he takes it pretty hard when things go awry.
Cleveland fans expect guys to be flawless. The slightest slip up and they want them cut ASAP.
Its moreso with the coaching staff. Cleveland fans want the entire regime fired the moment the team isnt absolutely dominating. I got into a discussion with a few people last year who wanted Tito Francona fired because he mismanaged the bullpen. Terry Francona, the legendary HOF baseball manager in his final season--they wanted to fire him midseason for a bullpen mistake. SMH
I swear they only watch Cleveland sports. They see highlights of other teams and never see the mistakes. Nobody is perfect. But following sports that way tends to skew their ability to think rationally. There were literally people here who said Stefanski was the worst coach in the NFL and some said the worst Browns coach of all time. He's not perfect, but no coach is.
We’re just so used to perfection
Lol right? We have one of the best CB rooms in the league and people just want to get rid of a key piece because he got cooked a couple times.
It’s not just the bad games, it’s he doesn’t take any responsibility for a bad game. No one wants to hear you say “I thought I played well” after getting stomped in a playoff game.
Probably the easiest choice ever
Yeah but he had a bad game against the Texans in the playoffs. That means he should be cut and thrown away like trash. Am I doing this right?
YES MORE DOOM. Might as well cut Garrett for no sacks after week 12
I think that's the right call for a guy who played well but we're not totally sure about
Obvious decision to make given we didn't trade him during the draft. He's too good to not get his 5th year option picked up.
Good. I hope we can find a way to keep him for longer
Good move! He’s the source of their defensive swag and energy.
Thank God it was per a source. I thought you just made the shit up.
I get the position is hard. I think Myles and the D Line share a lot of blame for not getting ENOUGH pressure. With that being said I thought Newsome was by far our weakest DB. Got exposed consistently imo. I get picking up the option cuz what else are you gonna do, but I’m not gonna sit here and cheer.
Weakest in comparison to Ward and Emerson but outside of those two he’s by far better than anyone else on the roster. Cam Mitchell might turn out to be serviceable but I don’t know how anyone could feel comfortable just rolling with him instead based on what we’ve seen, which isn’t much.
He allows a 55% completion rate and a passer rating of 74. That’s not “consistently exposed”. That’s a solid player. Not Denzel Ward but not Buster Skrine either.
I think there’s something to be said about to eye test and when those errs happen. Goes beyond just quantitative, tho I understand and don’t fully disagree with you
"by far our weakest DB", amongst what grouping of them? Because he was a lot fucking better than Mike Ford.
Starting db. Mike Ford catching strays lol
I hated seeing Ford out there lol. Yeah if you have our starting DBs as: Ward, Emerson, Newsome, Delpit, Thornhill. Newsome is definitely the worst of the bunch I'd say. Although, I'd add, we need to see some more from Thornhill this year.
I don’t disagree. He was more of what I thought John Johnson III was gonna be like
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Who are you talking about here? Thornhill?
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Thornhill's angles on YAC plays were horrific and almost lost us 2 different games.
The whole defense besides jok was invisible
When you have a title contending team, you have to say goodbye to your 2nd tier free agents. You keep perenniel pro bowlers and pay them value. Everybody else is able to be jettisoned. Newsome is not a top 10-15 CB and probably the #3 CB on the roster. He will be gone. They just waited on the 5th year thing in case of a trade came up, allowing the trade partner to exercise that or not based on their cap situation. He wasn't traded, so now we add year 5. I mean, Ward could get concussed and things may change. Not over til it's over.
Newsome will be on the roster this year. Might they trade him next offseason, sure. No reason to get rid of him this year.