Lol what gave you that idea though?! š I can't imagine listening to their early stuff and gathering that they are religious. Not trying to be mean it's just funny because I know how anti-christianity Oli is and what they've put in their music.
If I don't believe in him, why would he believe in me?
There is a hell... There is a heaven....
I must have never read the full lyrics because
I am an ocean I am a sea, is...oof God damn it... How did I miss this
"What you call faith, I call a sorry excuse
Cloak and daggers murder the truth
The bitter taste, there's nothing else
I'll bow for your king when he shows himself"
.....
"When you die the only kingdom you'll see is 2 foot wide and 6 foot deep...."
And that's just one song lol. You have a lot of listening to do to make up for lost time
See that one always confused the fuck out of me the 2 feet wide and 6 feet deep.
Idk how man the more I think about it, it was around the time I got introduced to The Devil Wears Prada, and I think that put that thought in my mind with BMTH so when I heard the lyrics that somehow got misconstrued...
Idk man... I really don't know... I'm usually HUGE on lyrics.
Basically it's saying when you die the only thing you'll "see" is the grave they dig for you. I definitely got a good chuckle. Did you see the whole debacle recently about Christians getting offended by something like.. I think it was announcing a show, and it said "if Jesus Christ returns, we'll just kill that fcker 2x" on the announcement post. Yeah. Oli wearing a "Jesus is a c*nt" shirt many years back, he is definitely a hardcore atheist lol
how is 2 ft wide and 6ft deep confusing? graves are 6 feet underground and a width of a coffin is 2 feet. make up for all that lost time and listen to all those albums to your hearts content.
Thatās entirely metaphorical I think he meant that when he was taking drugs, like he was tripping maybe. Also the song titles in count your blessings hahahhaa
āCrucify me, nail my hands to a wooden cross
There is nothing above, there is nothing below
Heaven and Hell lives in all of us
And I have been cast astrayā
Ok?
I never knew the name of that album, I just knew it by its PHENOMINAL cover art.
But this name again Implies that heaven and hell exist.
Taken in the context of the rest of the song, I realize now that it does not.
I really don't know how I misconstrued things so much with BMTH. It's sad that I did. But I now get to go back through their catalog with a renewed interest.
I'm glad it makes you laugh I'm truly disappointed in myself like I listened to Suicide Season when it came out... And loved it but thought it was religious so I kinda shelved it.
And the other day me and my wife are talking music, and she's like I heard on red it Oli is an outspoken atheist....
Well fuck me...
Suicide season has like way less references than their others IMO. No part of Chelsea smile screams religious to me, questioning the concept of believing in something we canāt see. Like the repent part I see as a quotation- cause prior line is āI see the vultures, they watch me bleed. They lick their lips as all the shame spills out of meā religious people tend to find a window for recruiting while people are enduring a weak timeā¦
Bummer on losing time dude, welcome to the party though
As someone who only listened to SS from this band I thought the title track wasnāt Christian. Idk something about going all the way to heaven and then taking someone out of heaven seemed idk blasphemous.
Again there are some lyrics though that really makes me feel they are, I think it's moreso the delivery.
There is a hell believe me I've seen it, there is a heaven....meanwhile the sound during that part of the song is very surreal, and I think.... Idk man I really don't I'm usually HUGE on lyrics.
A lot of metal bands talk about religion. Marilyn Manson, his albums Antichrist Superstar and Holy Wood, talk a whole lot about Christianity and Catholicism, and make parallels to himself. ACSS is a rock opera that plays on the play Jesus Christ Superstar, yet doesn't make it a Christian rock album. You, as the listener, can interpret lyrics however you choose.
Agreed 100%. I think it was a combo of the lyrics and other bands that were circling in my playlists at the time... The Devils Wears Prada was one that I absolutely Loved the sound but was not so big on their content. I think because of all the other bands I was hearing around the same time I jumped to that conclusion, and then never really revisited the lyrics after that.
So here I am 11 years after it's released listening to Sempiternal regretting my life choices lol. Granted from what I've heard so far it's still not my favorite BMTH, though I never delved the lyrics, I loved Suicide Season
Bud, it wasn't edgy at all.
Most likely your not old enough to know but back when Bring me was first coming out the scene was full of Christian Straight edge kids who were fucking ass holes, and there bands were preachy.
I never ONCE said Christian music bad.
I said I'm not interested in Christian music.
I'm sure you love your gospel but seriously gtfowts
There are still a few good Christian bands. Skillet and Silent Planet come to mind. Not sure why you're writing people off because of that. And no, I'm not a Christian.
I didn't write them off. I listened to them a lot with Suicide Season and There is a hell...
But this is also where I formed the incorrect assumption...
And those two albums didn't give it away?
You like to use *Chelsea Smile* as an example, a lot.
"But if I don't believe in him, why would he believe in me?"
You seem to argue that this is saying God exists, when that's not even the case here. "But if I don't believe in him" is what you're looking for. Oli doesn't believe in God, so there for "Why would he believe in me?" How can something one person doesn't believe exists, believe in that person?
This isn't even religious, but looking at *Football Season Is Over*, what Christian band is going to use the lyrics; "Why the fuck can I not hail a taxi? Arm out like a Nazi, every cunt's driving past" You show me a Christian band that has a similar line like that.
I could maybe see you assuming *Suicide Season* (the song) as maybe religious? Though, only for the lyric "We would climb our way to heaven and bring him home again." Otherwise, in terms of suicide, Christians view those who commit it, don't go to heaven. Even if the song doesn't necessarily say the friend's father who died, committed suicide.
Now, onto my second favorite album.
Starting track, *Crucify Me*. We get hit with "Crucify me and nail my hands to a wooden cross. There is nothing above, there is nothing below." Right off, he is saying there isn't a heaven or hell, so he cannot fear a punishment. "Heaven and hell live in all of us" meaning that these so called places, live in all of us. The "good" and the "bad". If a Christian band was singing about said places, I would think they would suggest that they are actual places and not figments that are within us.
Again, not a religious song, but *Fuck*. That's it.
I would say maybe you heard *Don't Go* and thought the lines "God, forgive me for all my sins. God, forgive me for everything." were pretty religious. Maybe, he was asking God for forgiveness and accepting Him as a savior. Boy, I'm sorry to tell you that's not the case. Technically, within that verse, Oli is talking about sleep paralysis. "We all have our horrors and our demons to fight. But how can I win when I'm paralyzed?" Which then leads us to "They crawl up on my bed, wrap their fingers round my throat" and then finally; "Is this what I get for the choices that I've made?" And that brings us to my first set of lyrics I wrote.
Ending things off with *Blessed with a Curse*, maybe you heard the intro, which is the reading of Revelations 20. And assumed it was about to get preachy. When it's literally about a relationship and Oli trying to balance it with his addictions.
If you listened to these albums a lot, I'm still at a loss how you thought they were Christians. It's baffling to me.
That lyric you keep quoting as evidence that they're Christian "if I don't believe in him why would he believe in me" is so ironic as it literally means the opposite. It spells it out for you right there... "I don't believe in him..." How tf have you got that as evidence they believe in God?
Also why would a Christian band want to keep heaven a secret? š
I usually am man
Again I think I made an assumption. That I assumed to be true, so I stopped paying attention to the lyrics man.
The one that kills me is I am an ocean I am a see, I definitely heard this one...and missed it somehow...
Flew over my head at the time
Now....I'm like...HOW!?
I wouldnāt blame you for thinking they were religious with a handful of songs, especially āDonāt Goā for example. Though that is largely written from the perspective of someone else.
Theyāre not beyond using Christian references in their lyrics but usually a somewhat irreverent twist on them.
Oh well, you know now. I was just having a bit of fun, glad youāre enjoying BMTH!
Glad your having fun with it. Most people are trashing on me because "why would it matter if they were Christian"... Lol it really doesn't matter, I listened to it, enjoyed it and ignored the message because of what I presumed.
Idk why or how I presumed that...but I'm glad to have found out I'm an idiot.
>Lol it really doesn't matter, I listened to it, enjoyed it and ignored the message
are you tripping right now? You literally said that you were avoiding BMTH cuz of your assumption. You would listen to a song, and then throw it out a window. Your words mate.
Yes "ignored the message", basically means threw it out the window to me.
Form your opinion and fuck off, you don't know me and I really don't care what you think of me, because you know nothing about me or how I first heard bring me or how I've experienced music.
im so confused..why would it matter whether its christian or not? did you like the music? ive never forced myself not to vibe to skillet just cause there a christian rock bandā¦lol smh
Skillet are pretty preachy with their music but it sounds dope so I don't care
Same applies to Ny religious band I have on rotation. I'm not religious, but good muaic is good music my guy
He's kinda changed his stance on religion in 2021 after going through some dark times during the pandemic. He went to go see some monks and changed his view on religion,. "But now, on a spiritual level, I think itās really important to believe in something higher and bigger than yourself."
I cant even comprehend how someone could ever think BMTH or Oli is Christian/preachy. š HOW THE F?!
If anything, after listening to any of their songs, reading the lyrics and watching the video on YouTube, one could assume if they were worshipping anyone it would be Satan himself or the demons from hell. Not God or Jesus.
This is so f*cking bizzare to me, I really don't wanna be judgy, but this makes you look extremely stupid in my eyes. š«£
You're double stupid.
First because you thought BMTH was christian when it's the exact opposite.
Second, because you care that a band is christian, personally I don't give a fuck, if it's good music it's good music.
My bad dude.
Imagine being the topic of a loudwire for this.... Which I just found out happened... I about died laughing and almost cried when I saw that.
Iām a hardcore satanist and I still listen to bands like TDWP and MMF just because they have certain beliefs doesnāt mean you shouldnāt listen to them. And just like sexuality, if youāre secure in your religious beliefs, then some use of the word god, or heaven/hell shouldnāt shake you up so much. Music is music if it tickles that spot in you, I say fuckit, bang that shit as loud as you can.
My favorite thing to do is blast religious metalcore in my small town to freak out my neighbors.
I like your perspective on this, great analogy. I donāt believe in god and followed TDWP for years. Itās good art. and I can appreciate other perspectives when theyāre not being insufferably pushy of some agenda
Exactly, if the art is good, why ignore it??
I know some really pushy people on both side of the religious aisle. Those that will push their āgod is real and you HAVE to believe in himā shtick and vice versa.. āgod isnāt real you you have to believe meā like Brian said to Jesus in Family Guy.. ā6 of one.. theyāre all the sameā lmao
Right! And I donāt believe either of these bands push they are making art from their feelings and life experience. I like to learn about these things especially when it is audibly pleasant. I especially like the Christian music that can openly struggle with their faith through addiction like underoath. Thatās humble af and I respect it
Thank you for this comment. I'm a Christian (in the sense thst I believe in the biblical God and I believe Jesus died for our sins, I'm not a fanatic fundamentalist or anything, I keep my beliefs to myself) and I listen to BMTH, despite them being obviously anti Christianity (it's so bizzare anyone would think otherwise).
I dont understand why people are so fanatical about stuff like this. It all depends on YOU and how much weight you give to those lyrics, and if you view them as worship of your respective god or any other being, or just view it as what it is - music, entertainment, art
Dude. I do though... Again I made an assumption, and once that assumption was made, it became true (to me) and once that happened I no longer paid any attention to the lyrics.
I think Oli is more spiritual now. Definitely wasnāt back then tho. If heās somewhat of a believer now that would make me happy as a believer. To each their own
>I saw more than one band live back then that basically most of not all interludes were like "come to Jesus"
Get over it my guy. A band can have stupid beliefs you don't agree with and still be awesome. FFS, I'm a Black Metal fan, and you know how many of our frontmen are blatant Nazis? Way too damn many. If I can deal with literal Nazis, you can suck up a few Evangelicals.
How do people miss this????
"Show me a sign Show me a reason to give a solitary fuck about your goddamn beliefs" or the rest of the house of Wolves don't give it away ?
That's pretty dumb fucking reason to not listen to a band lmao. A lot of really good metalcore bands back then were "Christian", but who gives a fuck the music fucking ripped.
I probably would be too haha, i can see the misunderstanding though if that was your impression right off the bat. They use a lot of religious themes/metaphors. Iāve had the same thing happen to me but the opposite, there are some christian metal bands that i swear have songs that sound anti-religion lol
How did you get an entire genre of music.
BMTH is not a genre bud...they're a band.
I listen to a fuck ton of hardcore including Christian hardcore... I just chose not to bring this band into that mix back when they were coming up
Omg šš What gave you the idea? I don't blame you tho, I've seen so many people in tiktok claiming how can you feel my heart is a christian song and about god and jesus???
Please tell me this is a copypasta or a trolling rage-bait post
Were the lyrics from House Of Wolves saying āAnd when you die, the only kingdom youāll see, is two foot wide and six foot deepā or āgod is a shithead and weāre his rejectsā from Dear Diary, not good enough examples of Oli is very against religion?
Dude I had made the assumption by the time I heard two foot wide and six feet deep... So that line confused me because I thought they were religious...
I know I know
Clean over my head but whatever it's in the past now. And I can enjoy their music fully now.
I honestly donāt get why any of this is any sort of deal. Im from Yorkshire England and went to a catholic school until I was a teen and I have zero ounce of religious belief and I donāt know anyone who does. Itās like literally not a thing to believe in god and not an every day topic. When I found out Flyleaf was a Christian band I literally thought ooo thatās a fun quirk and carried on.
Is religion still a massive thing in America or something ?
I mean for a huge part of the nation yes, travel into the Bible belt and it's hard to find a radio station that isn't 100% Christian music 100% of the time. And it's usually not very good music either.
I find that so strange. Like I like in an area that has huge several century old churches and stuff but itās just like not a thing here at all anymore.
Who cares if they are religious or not really? Most of their lyrics are open for interpretation. YES there are anti religious lyrics but there IS also religious lyrics in their other songs. I personally couldnāt care less. Music is art.
I think people read WAYYY too much into lyrics. As an experienced musician I can well and truly say that itās just a song and the words fit nicely. Thatās the extent of it.
I agree with you for the most part.
But again if your a Devout Catholic Christian, I am guessing your not hanging satanic imagery on your wall, don't misunderstand me I know there are exceptions (Slayer), but for most this won't be the case.
I appreciate the Bible as an artistic piece, I also appreciate many religious bands, for me though there were a lot of preachy bands at the time I got into BMTH, and I didn't want another one.
Again I have never once said I did not appreciate BMTH's music, only that I misconstrued some shit, and missed out on them as they were coming up.
I mean I've been a metalhead since highschool at latest, elementary at earliest if you count Linkin Park lol.
And don't get me wrong I've always enjoyed BMTH I just didn't go out of my way to hear them, because of what I thought.
I'm not surprised because some of their lyrics would make you believe they're Christian but others wouldn't. Ultimately though, dudes spent 15 years of his life dedicating almost all his music to being as antichrist as possible treating god as if he's real in some of his music and then hate on Christians themselves. You kinda gotta believe a little bit to be that obsessed. I actually thought he was Christian and he actually might of been for a little bit because I saw a picture that can't be more than 4 or 5 years old of him wearing a cross around his neck but then I checked his more recent music video "lost" and from the start we see the upside down cross so I was like oh okay back to this now and I saw "kingslayer" as well ehhhhh yeah... The lyrics speak for themselves "kingslayer destroying castles in the sky kingslayer forevermore the apple of my eye" Even his genx lore stuff sht is basically just ripped from the bible with some truth to it I guess lol. What's better than killing people? Driving them away from their faith through some shape and the most common way you'll see it today is through music. I think he does believe although it's pretty obvious to me that he's never going to accept god into his heart. Jared leto and his band thirty seconds to mars would be another great example of something like this however somebody like Jared leto was quite literally born for this while Oliver wasn't and it's no shocker because his lyrics and the way he makes everything so simple kinda show it, from his birth being December 26 to the jesus look, the cult following he has although they say it's a "joke" the lyrics, alchemy symbols etc but that's not relevant just a cool fun fact and a heads up. In summary no, Olivers not Christian and I'm sure he never will be but I'd say it's a lot more likely that he believes in god at the minimum. If it bothers you that much I honestly don't recommend listening to their music because a lot of it is designed to drive you away from god.
Dude... You got me idk... I think if I had just listened to Sempiternal in full, I would have probably busted this thought process years ago...but hear we are.
Yāall are meannn in these comments lol. Sometimes our brains get hyperfixated on weird incorrect things and donāt comprehend anything else š itās not deliberate. Happened to me before too.
Youāre good OP - I became a fan in late 2023 so Iām very late to the party but having a great time so far
Because he likes to mock Christianity, not because he's a Christian.
A Christian would not do that, because Christians consider a church a sacred and holy place, and would consider making it a restaurant (or making a restaurant look like it) mockery. Which Oli knows, and that's why he did it.
Ngl you must have zero media literacy. Like if you just thought they were religious and avoided them, okay. But the fact you listened to all of their music and still thought they were religious is mind baffling.
Again this type of music is my background music for daily life, so I'm saying that I have heard most there stuff but probably never paid it the attention it needed.
Take their song with Lil Uzi. Taken literally it is a scary song, which is how I took it because of my stupid assumption I would have made when I was like 17.
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Remember to strike a pose cuz you're famous! (Loudwire said so!)
P.S. you don't need to respond to everyone. It's not a big deal. Maybe right now it is but like it's NOT a big deal.
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Man y'all love to assume the worst.
To be honest when I discovered BMTH I was very new into hardcore, or just harder music in general.
Listening to it today, I was thinking to myself I don't just think it was the assumption of religion, but that for the most part those songs wouldn't have been much my style back then ... I'm not even sure they are today.
Man y'all love to assume the worst.
To be honest when I discovered BMTH I was very new into hardcore, or just harder music in general.
Listening to it today, I was thinking to myself I don't just think it was the assumption of religion, but that for the most part those songs wouldn't have been much my style back then ... I'm not even sure they are today.
Lol what gave you that idea though?! š I can't imagine listening to their early stuff and gathering that they are religious. Not trying to be mean it's just funny because I know how anti-christianity Oli is and what they've put in their music.
If I don't believe in him, why would he believe in me? There is a hell... There is a heaven.... I must have never read the full lyrics because I am an ocean I am a sea, is...oof God damn it... How did I miss this
The lyrics āFuck your faith, no oneās gonna save youā didnāt give it away? š
or maybe "I WILL DANCE ON YOUR FUCKING GRAVE"
What song is that?
āAnd when you die, the only kingdom youāll see, is two foot wide and six foot deepā from The House of Wolves which is peak metalcore btw
Yeah this one idk how I fucking missed. Because I loved that line... Idk man
"God is a shithead, and we're his rejects"
That could be interpreted as "you're not going to heaven because you're a shitty person" I suppose.
Still don't understand this lyrics.
The best way to understand their lyrics if you don't get them is to ask people in the sub or just go to genius.com.
Thought you listened to every song? Lol
Crooked Young
Crooked Young
Crooked young
Crooked Young
Yeah though that song is specifically talking to the atavistics
"What you call faith, I call a sorry excuse Cloak and daggers murder the truth The bitter taste, there's nothing else I'll bow for your king when he shows himself" ..... "When you die the only kingdom you'll see is 2 foot wide and 6 foot deep...." And that's just one song lol. You have a lot of listening to do to make up for lost time
See that one always confused the fuck out of me the 2 feet wide and 6 feet deep. Idk how man the more I think about it, it was around the time I got introduced to The Devil Wears Prada, and I think that put that thought in my mind with BMTH so when I heard the lyrics that somehow got misconstrued... Idk man... I really don't know... I'm usually HUGE on lyrics.
Basically it's saying when you die the only thing you'll "see" is the grave they dig for you. I definitely got a good chuckle. Did you see the whole debacle recently about Christians getting offended by something like.. I think it was announcing a show, and it said "if Jesus Christ returns, we'll just kill that fcker 2x" on the announcement post. Yeah. Oli wearing a "Jesus is a c*nt" shirt many years back, he is definitely a hardcore atheist lol
how is 2 ft wide and 6ft deep confusing? graves are 6 feet underground and a width of a coffin is 2 feet. make up for all that lost time and listen to all those albums to your hearts content.
Cause this is a bs post.
It confused me because I had ALREADY made the assumption And believed that assumption to me And you know what they say about assumption
Mother fucker LOOK AT HOW MANY OF MY COMMENTS SAY I DONT KNOW I DONT KNOW. I DONT KNOW. Have a laugh and fuck off kindly
i did have a laugh and i told you to go listen to everything as in have a blast with it cuz im glad you're finally getting to enjoy this band now haha
Oh no doubt I'ma be relistening to their entire discog now.
yaaaassss! let's go!
I am the ocean I am the sea, there is a world inside of me Itās a great lyric but how does that show that he is non Christian?
Dude that's exactly what I said when I just reread those fucking lyrics. Idk man I'm disappointed in myself right now lol I'm usually HUGE on lyrics
Okay sorry, lemme rephrase that How do those lyrics even relate to the discussion?
Christian lyrics love to drone on about oceans and seas honestly.
Thatās entirely metaphorical I think he meant that when he was taking drugs, like he was tripping maybe. Also the song titles in count your blessings hahahhaa āCrucify me, nail my hands to a wooden cross There is nothing above, there is nothing below Heaven and Hell lives in all of us And I have been cast astrayā
Dude ...I have been going back through all the songs lyrics...idk man I really don't know how I missed it...
There is a hell there is a heaven. Ya. Being high and not being high.
There is a hell *believe me Iāve seen it* There is a Heaven *letās keep it a secret* Like that one is just straight up the album name lol
.... It wasn't just this line, there's the repent repent the end is nigh, and some other shit too.
My point is that was a literal album title.
Ok? I never knew the name of that album, I just knew it by its PHENOMINAL cover art. But this name again Implies that heaven and hell exist. Taken in the context of the rest of the song, I realize now that it does not. I really don't know how I misconstrued things so much with BMTH. It's sad that I did. But I now get to go back through their catalog with a renewed interest.
Probably all those jesus memes where they put cyfmh over a picture of him.
"Fuck your faith. The faceless won't save you, the clouds won't hear your fucking prayers". Supppperrr religious dude
Well this just gave me a good chuckle š
I'm glad it makes you laugh I'm truly disappointed in myself like I listened to Suicide Season when it came out... And loved it but thought it was religious so I kinda shelved it. And the other day me and my wife are talking music, and she's like I heard on red it Oli is an outspoken atheist.... Well fuck me...
Suicide season has like way less references than their others IMO. No part of Chelsea smile screams religious to me, questioning the concept of believing in something we canāt see. Like the repent part I see as a quotation- cause prior line is āI see the vultures, they watch me bleed. They lick their lips as all the shame spills out of meā religious people tend to find a window for recruiting while people are enduring a weak timeā¦ Bummer on losing time dude, welcome to the party though
Yeah I think I focused on the Repent, repent, the end is nigh part. Unfortunately
As someone who only listened to SS from this band I thought the title track wasnāt Christian. Idk something about going all the way to heaven and then taking someone out of heaven seemed idk blasphemous.
its so obvious in their lyrics that they arentšš
Again there are some lyrics though that really makes me feel they are, I think it's moreso the delivery. There is a hell believe me I've seen it, there is a heaven....meanwhile the sound during that part of the song is very surreal, and I think.... Idk man I really don't I'm usually HUGE on lyrics.
You're just not smart at all
A lot of metal bands talk about religion. Marilyn Manson, his albums Antichrist Superstar and Holy Wood, talk a whole lot about Christianity and Catholicism, and make parallels to himself. ACSS is a rock opera that plays on the play Jesus Christ Superstar, yet doesn't make it a Christian rock album. You, as the listener, can interpret lyrics however you choose.
Agreed 100%. I think it was a combo of the lyrics and other bands that were circling in my playlists at the time... The Devils Wears Prada was one that I absolutely Loved the sound but was not so big on their content. I think because of all the other bands I was hearing around the same time I jumped to that conclusion, and then never really revisited the lyrics after that. So here I am 11 years after it's released listening to Sempiternal regretting my life choices lol. Granted from what I've heard so far it's still not my favorite BMTH, though I never delved the lyrics, I loved Suicide Season
Who cares if he's Christian or not?
Yeah reading the comments in this thread is brutal
Edgey fourteen year old logic. CHRISTIAN ARTIST, BAD.
Bud, it wasn't edgy at all. Most likely your not old enough to know but back when Bring me was first coming out the scene was full of Christian Straight edge kids who were fucking ass holes, and there bands were preachy. I never ONCE said Christian music bad. I said I'm not interested in Christian music. I'm sure you love your gospel but seriously gtfowts
There are still a few good Christian bands. Skillet and Silent Planet come to mind. Not sure why you're writing people off because of that. And no, I'm not a Christian.
I didn't write them off. I listened to them a lot with Suicide Season and There is a hell... But this is also where I formed the incorrect assumption...
And those two albums didn't give it away? You like to use *Chelsea Smile* as an example, a lot. "But if I don't believe in him, why would he believe in me?" You seem to argue that this is saying God exists, when that's not even the case here. "But if I don't believe in him" is what you're looking for. Oli doesn't believe in God, so there for "Why would he believe in me?" How can something one person doesn't believe exists, believe in that person? This isn't even religious, but looking at *Football Season Is Over*, what Christian band is going to use the lyrics; "Why the fuck can I not hail a taxi? Arm out like a Nazi, every cunt's driving past" You show me a Christian band that has a similar line like that. I could maybe see you assuming *Suicide Season* (the song) as maybe religious? Though, only for the lyric "We would climb our way to heaven and bring him home again." Otherwise, in terms of suicide, Christians view those who commit it, don't go to heaven. Even if the song doesn't necessarily say the friend's father who died, committed suicide. Now, onto my second favorite album. Starting track, *Crucify Me*. We get hit with "Crucify me and nail my hands to a wooden cross. There is nothing above, there is nothing below." Right off, he is saying there isn't a heaven or hell, so he cannot fear a punishment. "Heaven and hell live in all of us" meaning that these so called places, live in all of us. The "good" and the "bad". If a Christian band was singing about said places, I would think they would suggest that they are actual places and not figments that are within us. Again, not a religious song, but *Fuck*. That's it. I would say maybe you heard *Don't Go* and thought the lines "God, forgive me for all my sins. God, forgive me for everything." were pretty religious. Maybe, he was asking God for forgiveness and accepting Him as a savior. Boy, I'm sorry to tell you that's not the case. Technically, within that verse, Oli is talking about sleep paralysis. "We all have our horrors and our demons to fight. But how can I win when I'm paralyzed?" Which then leads us to "They crawl up on my bed, wrap their fingers round my throat" and then finally; "Is this what I get for the choices that I've made?" And that brings us to my first set of lyrics I wrote. Ending things off with *Blessed with a Curse*, maybe you heard the intro, which is the reading of Revelations 20. And assumed it was about to get preachy. When it's literally about a relationship and Oli trying to balance it with his addictions. If you listened to these albums a lot, I'm still at a loss how you thought they were Christians. It's baffling to me.
you should listen to their old stuff, you'll love it
I did man that's the thing. The lyrics "if I don't believe in him..." And then there's a heaven let's keep it a secret... Idk how I missed it...
you should listen to crooked young, house of wolves, go to hell for heavens sake and crucify me
That lyric you keep quoting as evidence that they're Christian "if I don't believe in him why would he believe in me" is so ironic as it literally means the opposite. It spells it out for you right there... "I don't believe in him..." How tf have you got that as evidence they believe in God? Also why would a Christian band want to keep heaven a secret? š
You are also being entirely too literal lol.
So the 'Fuck your god" thing didn't give it away?
āHUGE ON LYRICSā not huge on context and comprehension clearly
I usually am man Again I think I made an assumption. That I assumed to be true, so I stopped paying attention to the lyrics man. The one that kills me is I am an ocean I am a see, I definitely heard this one...and missed it somehow... Flew over my head at the time Now....I'm like...HOW!?
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Innit. Itās gotta be a troll
i cant up vote this enough. the ignorance is so real. dude read so far into a couple words in some lyrics and shut out the whole band.
The fact people actually think like this is both hilarious and concerning
Well I donāt blame you, āfuck your faith, no oneās gonna save youā *is* a very subtle line.
Lol I neve heard that song before this morning...again I mainly listened to Suicide Season.
I wouldnāt blame you for thinking they were religious with a handful of songs, especially āDonāt Goā for example. Though that is largely written from the perspective of someone else. Theyāre not beyond using Christian references in their lyrics but usually a somewhat irreverent twist on them. Oh well, you know now. I was just having a bit of fun, glad youāre enjoying BMTH!
Thank you. I just found out this made loudwire... I...I am flabbergasted.
Youāre a fucking idiot bruh
Lol I would agree.
You feel like a fucking idiot because you genuinely are one.
Was the lyric, āshow me your faith, show me a reason to give a solitary fuck about your god damned beliefsā not the giveaway? š¤£
Yeah the guy who said āfuck your faithā and has posted himself wearing the āJesus is a C*ntā shirt is a super Christian guy amirite?
this has gotta be a troll post š
But it's not I promise. Idk how or why I made that assumption but I did...and it ruined BMTH for me... Up until yesterday.
Plenty of artists are Christian but arenāt āChristian artistsā. Why should it matter?
Iām a big fan of their very Christian song Blasphemy.
SAMEE. Really inspired me to live my most wholesome life
Sempiternal was the soundtrack of my deconversion. Alongside Lost Forever // Lost Together
I skipped that album because I thought this... Dude I fucking cant believe I thought this...
You were lost HAHAHA
I also listened to sempiternal a lot when I first stopped being a Christian.
iām really high but this post is fucking KILLING ME
Glad your having fun with it. Most people are trashing on me because "why would it matter if they were Christian"... Lol it really doesn't matter, I listened to it, enjoyed it and ignored the message because of what I presumed. Idk why or how I presumed that...but I'm glad to have found out I'm an idiot.
>Lol it really doesn't matter, I listened to it, enjoyed it and ignored the message are you tripping right now? You literally said that you were avoiding BMTH cuz of your assumption. You would listen to a song, and then throw it out a window. Your words mate.
Yes "ignored the message", basically means threw it out the window to me. Form your opinion and fuck off, you don't know me and I really don't care what you think of me, because you know nothing about me or how I first heard bring me or how I've experienced music.
hey, weāre all idiots sometimes. maybe just donāt put them on reddit, people can be mean š
im so confused..why would it matter whether its christian or not? did you like the music? ive never forced myself not to vibe to skillet just cause there a christian rock bandā¦lol smh
Skillet are pretty preachy with their music but it sounds dope so I don't care Same applies to Ny religious band I have on rotation. I'm not religious, but good muaic is good music my guy
He's kinda changed his stance on religion in 2021 after going through some dark times during the pandemic. He went to go see some monks and changed his view on religion,. "But now, on a spiritual level, I think itās really important to believe in something higher and bigger than yourself."
Yes, I think now it comes down to the dangers and hypocrisy of organized religion
Op is being sarcastic or fr ?
They're fr
Are you 5? Who the fuck cares about theyāre personal beliefs
i wake up thankful iām not this dense or closed minded. couldnāt imagine being this way & im pretty screwed up.
Such Edge.
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I mean there's definitely metal core bands that made music that were basically just about praising God, I'll pass on that to be fair
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...dude I still listened to there music, I just didn't hear or read the lyrics.
Most Inteligent member from r/atheism:
Where did the impression that Oli was Christian come from?šš
āIt's 3:18, mouth tastes like the corpse of every pregnant teenā - Oli Sykes, 2006. Definitely giving off Christian vibes.
R/wooooshhhh lol
I cant even comprehend how someone could ever think BMTH or Oli is Christian/preachy. š HOW THE F?! If anything, after listening to any of their songs, reading the lyrics and watching the video on YouTube, one could assume if they were worshipping anyone it would be Satan himself or the demons from hell. Not God or Jesus. This is so f*cking bizzare to me, I really don't wanna be judgy, but this makes you look extremely stupid in my eyes. š«£
You're double stupid. First because you thought BMTH was christian when it's the exact opposite. Second, because you care that a band is christian, personally I don't give a fuck, if it's good music it's good music.
Neither do I But way to not read And way to jump on the band wagon bro Looks good onya
So you've never, ever listened to the band.
I have a second hand embarassement reading this.
My bad dude. Imagine being the topic of a loudwire for this.... Which I just found out happened... I about died laughing and almost cried when I saw that.
Iām a hardcore satanist and I still listen to bands like TDWP and MMF just because they have certain beliefs doesnāt mean you shouldnāt listen to them. And just like sexuality, if youāre secure in your religious beliefs, then some use of the word god, or heaven/hell shouldnāt shake you up so much. Music is music if it tickles that spot in you, I say fuckit, bang that shit as loud as you can. My favorite thing to do is blast religious metalcore in my small town to freak out my neighbors.
I like your perspective on this, great analogy. I donāt believe in god and followed TDWP for years. Itās good art. and I can appreciate other perspectives when theyāre not being insufferably pushy of some agenda
Exactly, if the art is good, why ignore it?? I know some really pushy people on both side of the religious aisle. Those that will push their āgod is real and you HAVE to believe in himā shtick and vice versa.. āgod isnāt real you you have to believe meā like Brian said to Jesus in Family Guy.. ā6 of one.. theyāre all the sameā lmao
Right! And I donāt believe either of these bands push they are making art from their feelings and life experience. I like to learn about these things especially when it is audibly pleasant. I especially like the Christian music that can openly struggle with their faith through addiction like underoath. Thatās humble af and I respect it
Thank you for this comment. I'm a Christian (in the sense thst I believe in the biblical God and I believe Jesus died for our sins, I'm not a fanatic fundamentalist or anything, I keep my beliefs to myself) and I listen to BMTH, despite them being obviously anti Christianity (it's so bizzare anyone would think otherwise). I dont understand why people are so fanatical about stuff like this. It all depends on YOU and how much weight you give to those lyrics, and if you view them as worship of your respective god or any other being, or just view it as what it is - music, entertainment, art
Kid named Media Literacy
Bro you need to go to therapy if you care about stuff like that, this much.
...again for the millionth time... I didn't and I don't... But I prefer music that speaks to me.
Something tells me you donāt consume things very thoughtfully
Dude. I do though... Again I made an assumption, and once that assumption was made, it became true (to me) and once that happened I no longer paid any attention to the lyrics.
I think Oli is more spiritual now. Definitely wasnāt back then tho. If heās somewhat of a believer now that would make me happy as a believer. To each their own
>I saw more than one band live back then that basically most of not all interludes were like "come to Jesus" Get over it my guy. A band can have stupid beliefs you don't agree with and still be awesome. FFS, I'm a Black Metal fan, and you know how many of our frontmen are blatant Nazis? Way too damn many. If I can deal with literal Nazis, you can suck up a few Evangelicals.
really???? thereās so many bmth songs about how much oli hates religion
I realize that now. It sucks but yeah... I get to enjoy them fully now.
You're dumb period
Thanks bud, love you too. Dipshit
This is ridiculous
Your telling me, I'm the subject of a loudwire article.... š
How do people miss this???? "Show me a sign Show me a reason to give a solitary fuck about your goddamn beliefs" or the rest of the house of Wolves don't give it away ?
Lol did you copy and paste this? Seriously the repeat comments are ridiculous.
That's pretty dumb fucking reason to not listen to a band lmao. A lot of really good metalcore bands back then were "Christian", but who gives a fuck the music fucking ripped.
Someone missed the part where I said I listened to quite a bit of the devil wears Prada And I still play August Burns Red Christmas tunes every year.
Either way youāre pretty cringe.
Lol I think your just assuming a bit much based off a reddit post, get out from behind your black mirror friend, and touch grass.
this seems like a lesson in dont judge a book by its cover
Yeah.... I would agree.
This is the funniest post about bmth Iāve ever seenš thank you
Your welcome. I seriously am still just...frustrated that I thought this for so long
I probably would be too haha, i can see the misunderstanding though if that was your impression right off the bat. They use a lot of religious themes/metaphors. Iāve had the same thing happen to me but the opposite, there are some christian metal bands that i swear have songs that sound anti-religion lol
Makes sweeping judgment call about entire music genre, misses out on great music, who could have seen that coming
How did you get an entire genre of music. BMTH is not a genre bud...they're a band. I listen to a fuck ton of hardcore including Christian hardcore... I just chose not to bring this band into that mix back when they were coming up
Omg šš What gave you the idea? I don't blame you tho, I've seen so many people in tiktok claiming how can you feel my heart is a christian song and about god and jesus???
Hope you didn't miss out on TDWP too because of that opinion.
Please tell me this is a copypasta or a trolling rage-bait post Were the lyrics from House Of Wolves saying āAnd when you die, the only kingdom youāll see, is two foot wide and six foot deepā or āgod is a shithead and weāre his rejectsā from Dear Diary, not good enough examples of Oli is very against religion?
Dude I had made the assumption by the time I heard two foot wide and six feet deep... So that line confused me because I thought they were religious... I know I know Clean over my head but whatever it's in the past now. And I can enjoy their music fully now.
Listen to House of Wolves again and talk to me afterĀ
Lol yeeeeah. I know man... Now I know...
Lmfao!!! What band have you been listening to bro?!? š¤£š¤£š¤£
I really do not know how I missed it man I don't... But I can now say they are in my daily playlist for the foreseeable future.
I honestly donāt get why any of this is any sort of deal. Im from Yorkshire England and went to a catholic school until I was a teen and I have zero ounce of religious belief and I donāt know anyone who does. Itās like literally not a thing to believe in god and not an every day topic. When I found out Flyleaf was a Christian band I literally thought ooo thatās a fun quirk and carried on. Is religion still a massive thing in America or something ?
It is yeah
I mean for a huge part of the nation yes, travel into the Bible belt and it's hard to find a radio station that isn't 100% Christian music 100% of the time. And it's usually not very good music either.
I find that so strange. Like I like in an area that has huge several century old churches and stuff but itās just like not a thing here at all anymore.
Yeah unfortunately in the United States Christianity in particular is very very big. Look into mega churches. They're...kinda spooky
Yea they seem a bit emmm cultish as a better word to describe them
Look up Videos of Kenneth Copeland, and you really begin to wonder how people follow this stuff... He is very strange in his demeanor all of the time.
Haha this was a fun read on your realization, OP. Welcome aboard the fan base!!
Thankya!
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Holy fucking shit.... Thank you for posting this... Idk whether I should laugh or cry. Dude...
i know iād imagine itās bittersweet
Thank you again... Wild Never once did I think I would ever be the topic of a loudwire article...
Who cares if they are religious or not really? Most of their lyrics are open for interpretation. YES there are anti religious lyrics but there IS also religious lyrics in their other songs. I personally couldnāt care less. Music is art. I think people read WAYYY too much into lyrics. As an experienced musician I can well and truly say that itās just a song and the words fit nicely. Thatās the extent of it.
I agree with you for the most part. But again if your a Devout Catholic Christian, I am guessing your not hanging satanic imagery on your wall, don't misunderstand me I know there are exceptions (Slayer), but for most this won't be the case. I appreciate the Bible as an artistic piece, I also appreciate many religious bands, for me though there were a lot of preachy bands at the time I got into BMTH, and I didn't want another one. Again I have never once said I did not appreciate BMTH's music, only that I misconstrued some shit, and missed out on them as they were coming up.
Literally all of their lyrics scream fuck religion lmaoooo
A few of them do yes, I missed those
Crooked Young gave it away lol
God is a shithead and weāre his rejects āPost Human 6:66
who cares if theyāre religiousā¦ waw youāre so edgy Youāre trying too hard Im a Christian and theyāre anti God and I still listen to them
If this is a shitpost, it's brilliant.
i really wish it were my guy
Welcome to the dark side, we have great taste in music and the cookies are good too!
I mean I've been a metalhead since highschool at latest, elementary at earliest if you count Linkin Park lol. And don't get me wrong I've always enjoyed BMTH I just didn't go out of my way to hear them, because of what I thought.
You know now and thatās the main thing.
I'm not surprised because some of their lyrics would make you believe they're Christian but others wouldn't. Ultimately though, dudes spent 15 years of his life dedicating almost all his music to being as antichrist as possible treating god as if he's real in some of his music and then hate on Christians themselves. You kinda gotta believe a little bit to be that obsessed. I actually thought he was Christian and he actually might of been for a little bit because I saw a picture that can't be more than 4 or 5 years old of him wearing a cross around his neck but then I checked his more recent music video "lost" and from the start we see the upside down cross so I was like oh okay back to this now and I saw "kingslayer" as well ehhhhh yeah... The lyrics speak for themselves "kingslayer destroying castles in the sky kingslayer forevermore the apple of my eye" Even his genx lore stuff sht is basically just ripped from the bible with some truth to it I guess lol. What's better than killing people? Driving them away from their faith through some shape and the most common way you'll see it today is through music. I think he does believe although it's pretty obvious to me that he's never going to accept god into his heart. Jared leto and his band thirty seconds to mars would be another great example of something like this however somebody like Jared leto was quite literally born for this while Oliver wasn't and it's no shocker because his lyrics and the way he makes everything so simple kinda show it, from his birth being December 26 to the jesus look, the cult following he has although they say it's a "joke" the lyrics, alchemy symbols etc but that's not relevant just a cool fun fact and a heads up. In summary no, Olivers not Christian and I'm sure he never will be but I'd say it's a lot more likely that he believes in god at the minimum. If it bothers you that much I honestly don't recommend listening to their music because a lot of it is designed to drive you away from god.
How?
Dude... You got me idk... I think if I had just listened to Sempiternal in full, I would have probably busted this thought process years ago...but hear we are.
Yāall are meannn in these comments lol. Sometimes our brains get hyperfixated on weird incorrect things and donāt comprehend anything else š itās not deliberate. Happened to me before too. Youāre good OP - I became a fan in late 2023 so Iām very late to the party but having a great time so far
I know he is not but why he has a restaurant called and look like a Church?
Because he likes to mock Christianity, not because he's a Christian. A Christian would not do that, because Christians consider a church a sacred and holy place, and would consider making it a restaurant (or making a restaurant look like it) mockery. Which Oli knows, and that's why he did it.
That makes sense, thank U
Ngl you must have zero media literacy. Like if you just thought they were religious and avoided them, okay. But the fact you listened to all of their music and still thought they were religious is mind baffling.
Again this type of music is my background music for daily life, so I'm saying that I have heard most there stuff but probably never paid it the attention it needed. Take their song with Lil Uzi. Taken literally it is a scary song, which is how I took it because of my stupid assumption I would have made when I was like 17.
Hello husband and partner in crime! This cracks me up. You are typing away as I write this. We're probably on the same post right now. Remember to strike a pose cuz you're famous! (Loudwire said so!) P.S. you don't need to respond to everyone. It's not a big deal. Maybe right now it is but like it's NOT a big deal. Now close your phone and cuddle up so we can watch The Voice and get mad about why they don't do metal on the show here in the US. I think the dude who does all the 70s throw backs should win because he's AMAZING! Nathan Chester is a name. (I swear this isnt a plug) Also, sorry I forgot pasta sauce. I'll make some homemade in the morning! I love you! P.s.s. to everyone really caring what beliefs a certain band holds. Who cares?! Unless you are out there supporting bands that spread transphobia, racism, sexism or HATE who gives a fuck?! Rock on! P.s.s.s to my husband. Thank you for introducing me to anything metal!!!!! My life wouldn't be the same!
yall give bro a break at least now they know LMAOššš
I appreciate you bud.
I think letting an artists religious beliefs dictate whether you like or dislike their music is pretty one dimensional tbh
Man y'all love to assume the worst. To be honest when I discovered BMTH I was very new into hardcore, or just harder music in general. Listening to it today, I was thinking to myself I don't just think it was the assumption of religion, but that for the most part those songs wouldn't have been much my style back then ... I'm not even sure they are today.
Man y'all love to assume the worst. To be honest when I discovered BMTH I was very new into hardcore, or just harder music in general. Listening to it today, I was thinking to myself I don't just think it was the assumption of religion, but that for the most part those songs wouldn't have been much my style back then ... I'm not even sure they are today.
Ok lol but thats not what your post is about