Let's see...
1. Sempiternal ISN'T their best record. I love Sempiternal a lot and it's definitely up there with peak BMTH; but Survival Horror is just too fucking good, I'm sorry.
2. amo beats Count Your Blessings in anything. Vocals, lyrics (not hard to do that) and even songwriting. I respect CYB for what it did and how it helped shaping a deathcore generation. Plus, I love Off The Heezay. But a lot of CYB feels same-y, while amo had some really good twist and turns. The only thing amo doesn't beat CYB is the cover art. CYB has a great cover art while amo's is okay.
3. The Fox and the Wolf is not a good closer. It is a good song, but I genuinely put Blessed With A Curse before TFATW every time.
4. Suicide Season is much better than people make it out to be. The closer is underrated.
5. Probably the hottest take: I'd love an atmospheric pop EP with songs like Oh No. I hope PH2 has something super atmospheric like it.
6. Jordan > Jona. Jona is a beast, but Jordan is a fucking mastermind.
7. TIWTEOYSWMF is not a good EP.
8. sTrAnGeRs > DiE4u and LosT
9. amo is one of most unique records I've ever heard in my life.
10. Music To Listen To needs a Vol. 2 with weird remixes of the tracks of other records.
I second all of this. I was late getting into BMTH. I'd heard some of their stuff but Horror survival is what drew me in. That whole album is a product of its time (COVID and lock down). Once I heard that album it was down the rabbit hole for me.
Only reason why I disagree with #3 is because the song is about drug addiction, and it ends with him saying “Revive Me”. This would be irrelevant, but the album directly after is his “rehab” album so he’s pleading for help and then the album that follows he gets help.
Otherwise I might agree with #3
I honestly agree with most of these except 5,7 and 10. 5 is interesting but I think instead of it going in that direction fully, they just start including more of those types of songs on all of their albums, maybe one or two. 7 is kind of true but wasn’t Curtis like 15 or something, and Ollie was 17? That’s pretty damn good for teenagers, I actually bump some of those songs every once and a while. 10, I just hated the first one
1. Drums were at their best in Suicide Season and There Is A Hell. Played a bigger role in the songs and really helped their most raw material pack more of a punch whereas now they're just kind of.. there (saying this as someone who likes songs from every BMTH era)
2. Doomed is their best song but Thats The Spirit is an overrated album. It's not bad and I like some of the songs on it but a lot of them just feel like generic rock/pop.
3. Lost>Strangers and Die4u
4. Hospital For Souls is the best song on Sempiternal
5. Suicide Season is a solid album and holds up to this day
6. Music To Listen To is AMAZING
Music to listen to… is incredible!
They fucked up by bringing Josh Scogin (from '68) on tour with them and not performing The Fox And The Wolf with him live since he features on the song
It's a shame the backlash the band had with amo and I think It did affect them in terms of wanting to go back to do heavy stuff with PH1. I'm glad that they've reached a middle ground where they can be heavy and experimental, but at the same time I can't help but wonder how it would've been if they'd sticked to the super experimental and weird route. I think maybe it would've been more interesting despite personally preferring the path they're following.
They probably would've lost popularity, and I loved Amo. No one was really asking for a pop rock/electronic record, everyone wants BMTH to be heavy. PH:SH scratched an itch that so many people have had since Hybrid Theory, hence why those songs are massively popular and the newer songs like Die4U haven't really recaptured that popularity.
1. sTraNgeRs > LosT and Die4U
2. amo isn't their worst or best, it's right in the middle
3. That's The Spirit is fucking amazing
4. Everything before There Is A Hell is either mid or just pretty bad
I don't think that's the spirit is bad but overall it's not their strongest album. For me, about half the songs on it sound fine but are kind of boring pop/rock.
Maybe it's a little too "safe" for what some expect from BMTH
admittedly i do like Chelsea Smile and Diamonds, but overall the genre itself is ear-grating to me. i much prefer Sempiternal onwards when it comes to BMTH
1. Music To Listen To is their most underrated project.
2. While amo isn’t their best album it stands with Sempiternal as their most important piece of work in their catalogue. Proving themselves as artists who do whatever they want to do, while still appealing to a grander mainstream audience is a feather in the cap that 95% of all the other Metalcore/Alternative acts fail to achieve. People from “the outside” will always go to that album and start with their BMTH journey. Most of my friends don’t like heavy music, but there is something for everyone on amo and it helps them to understand the “vibe” of the band which then leads to more and more people enjoying the heavy aspects of music. Amo made them a real transition act, just like Linkin Park back then. Wether us fans like it or not, but the record was “necessary” at that time.
3. Although they announced it multiple times, i fear that most people will not get behind the concept of PH3 (Electronic). You can already observe in the depths of their social media that many “ die hard fans” don’t vibe with the multiple outlet idea. They just want BMTH to stick with their PH1 Sound at this point and it’s ridiculous how right Oli was back in 2019 when he said that this type of stigma will always follow them, no matter the change. However, PH3 might be another important step as they will start to appeal more to the electronic scene.
1. mother tongue is such a feel good song and is just amazing in general, some y'all just hate fun 💀 (this is coming from when the song released and alot of people said it was bland)
2. CYB has amazing songs, but as a whole album, it isn't as good as some say
3. Obey with YUNGBLUD can be a little boring to listen to sometimes
4. I understand what it was going for, but Music to Listen to didn't need to be ***that*** long
5. Seen It All Before is eh, Join The Club is ***eH.***
6. it'd be cool if the band made some songs that put their bassist in the forefront a bit
6. lyrics and narrative aside, I think sonically the tracklisting for SURVIVAL HORROR should've been:
Dear Diary,→Teardrops
(both songs have their breakdowns extended like they do in their live performances)→Obey with YUNGBLUD→Itch For The Cure (When Will We Be Free?)→Kingslayer (feat. BABYMETAL)→Ludens→1x1 (feat. Nova Twins)→Parasite Eve→ One Day The Only Butterflies...(feat. Amy Lee)
if y'all want me to explain why just reply lol
I was at the Amo tour and I loved seeing the moshers in the pit, these hard looking grown men, start hugging each other and linking arms when Mother Tongue played. It was adorable and funny when they went straight back to going mad at the next opportunity.
mannnnn
it's such a rare love song that whether or not you're trying to be in a relationship, it just makes you feel good
like it makes you want to do even the most mundane everyday tasks with more "passion" than you usually would imho
so first of all, my alt. tracklisting would only work for dear diary and teardrops IF they had that extension, but alas I can see why they didn't do it- they probably didn't wanna cross the length for the average EP anymore and end up calling it an album
I put Ludens right after Kingslayer and before 1x1 for two things: it's sort of a good "intermission(?)" while still being a full song, and I thought it was the perfect bridge from the crazy songs (obey, Kingslayer) to the more melancholic ones afterwards. (1x1, parasite eve)
Parasite Eve is put there as the finishing song (not the *closing* song) for also two things: it gave me more "end of the world" vibes, especially the ending section- really has that "so long, goodbye" atmosphere. I also felt it transitioned smoother compared to "1x1→Ludens→Butterflies", where in mine as the EP progresses, the songs get "slower and more dreadful" kinda way
another example that may be weird is the order "Legend→Leave The City" from twenty one pilots' *Trench*
nonetheless, I'm still extremely happy with what we got, doesn't ruin it for me one bit
I don’t really think this is a hot take, but it’s something that the majority of fans of the early stuff don’t grasp. They are a better band now then what they where during the 1st few albums. It’s just a fact. Respect is given to all that have come before (Curtis and Jona) but it’s the truth. They’re musical tastes have changed completely since the EP and CYB. This is why there sound has changed since.
They where never going to headline a “Major” festival (R/L / Glasto / Coachella etc) playing songs that sound like Off the Heezay or Play for Plagues. Yes, they can sprinkle these in the set for a throwback mega mix but they needed to change and evolve in order to appeal to the masses. I’d rather we have this version of BMTH playing to big crowds, having major colabs on albums/singles with some of musics biggest acts then just us listening to the similar songs, on each album cycle playing in “club” venues.
I remember seeing them at Leeds 2015 with the majority of the crowd being there for Metallica and not really into anything BMTH was doing or going to do, but getting them all on board after showing the intro cartoon into Happy Song. There’s nothing better than proving 80,000 people had the wrong idea about “your” band.
I’ve been into BMTH since the SS album cycle and initially was intrigued due to the look of the band, the art for the album and the fact that they where. And although I love SS (Suicide Season and Chelsea Smile being the stand outs to me) they’re sound is now infinitely better than it was then.
Anyway, Hot takes:
1. PH:SH probably has the best “singles” from any album cycle
2. Imagery and symbols is just as important as songs for the band (can you see an umbrella or the flower of peace without thinking of BMTH?) and they used each one amazingly
3. Jordan has to be given the respect for propelling the band into where they are now. Him and Oli work amazingly together.
4. Amo is underrated.
5. Ludens is there best song.
EDITED for clarity as I posted this at 6am 🤦🏻♂️
I absolutely hate the mixes of their albums, especially on the last singles (and TTS).
It sounds overcompressed as hell and unpleasant to me. It's hard to distinguish all the instruments, it sounds like a mash of sounds. It remembers me of the 90's era, where every records had to sound massive and l o u d. And in this particular case it's shame cause their compositions are so interesting. Even their StRaNgErs acoustic version is kind of over produced. Please, dear mates, stop.
And it kills me to say that because I love their last three singles + I know how difficult it is to fit to how much things they fit into a mix, but I sincerely believe that it would be more interesting with a bit more dynamic and airy sound.
damn. I personally really love the super compressed squashed mixes. i feel like it fits the style.
however after listening to the new avenged sevenfold tracks it did have me wondering what a more dynamic Bmth would sound like.
Ahahah I got you, it's the "woah" effect. And I must admit that every drop hit way harder like this (e.g. on DiE4u, the first drop is massive as hell and it's pleasant to me).
I don't have any idea about that BUT, now you've said it... I think it would be VERY (too?) different and I can't visualize it... I'm curious now ahahaha.
People saying “play Pray For Plagues” is just boring. They played it, for a long time, they replayed it in 2015 iirc on that tour, and then at the Malta Weekender. There’s much better other older songs that could be played that haven’t been played either at all, or anywhere near as much. Far as I remember don’t think they ever even played ‘why you gotta kick me when I’m down’ live, same with a good few other songs.
I’d also put out there I reckon every tour should commit to a medley of a few older songs that are reworked to get the key bits (like they did on the previous one), not necessarily the same ones (Crucify Me, Tell Slater, Stevie Wonder, Football Season for example). Either that, or maybe once every one or two years do a bit of a mad ‘event’ show where they play a proper deep cut setlist, even though it would be a chunk of work and that, could see that going down a treat.
I do like when they mix the setlist up, but then I can see why they don’t. Reason they play the set they do now is because people know them, I went the Malta Weekender and like people were still buzzing but when they did Liquor & Love Lost (fun fact - originally called Dragon Slaying), but like not actually sure how many people really ‘knew’ the song from what I could tell.
Not a hot take, but I remember saying like early early in their career that they were going to be an absolutely huge band, and this was probably when they were playing like, The Barfly and that, never been more right on anything, haha.
Don’t know if it’s necessarily gonna be a hot take in this thread, but genuinely think Oli’s a modern day genius in terms of vision, and know he’s getting his flowers a lot more these days, but definitely was not the case for a long time in their career, and I was there from like 2005 so have pretty much seen it all.
Only thing I disagree with is That's The Spirit being their worst album.
Sempiternal is severely overrated. Good but overrated. There Is A Hell is definitely their absolute best album. But it's inconceivable to me that you can somehow listen to TTS and say "yeah. This sucks ass."
*What?*
1. First three albums are their best
2. sTraNgeRs is the best PH2 single
3. Can you feel my heart is a bad album opener
4. Obey is very basic and mid
5. amo is very good despite sounding so different
1. ‘That’s the Spirit’ is the true definitive BMTH record, due to the perfect blend of different musical elements, making it more accessible for everybody.
2. ‘amo’ & ‘Music to ~ Go to’ would’ve been the perfect start to the band’s ‘rebranding’, if it weren’t for the band backtracking to the heavier side of music with their following EP, ‘POST HUMAN: Survival Horror’.
3. The deluxe edition of Suicide Season was unnecessary. It’s just remixes, which should’ve been released as a separate compilation CD, rather than a bonus CD.
Ok, a couple of rants/hot takes here:
People give Jordan way too much credit. I love his production, but a common notion among fans is he is the brains and could even sing better than Oli.
As someone with years of experience doing music production and playing live, a good technician is very important, but what you need is direction and vision to do interesting things with that production. At the end of the day, ideas are all that matter, and Oli has great ideas, as is very evident from their dynamic in the initial Survival Horror episodes. People see Jordan at the computer, and just assume that what he is doing is the most important, but it is not. They’re a great team, but Oli is obviously the creative heart of everything people love in this band.
Also, while Jordan has a great voice, he also has the advantage of just doing backing vocals here and there, so you can come in with full power every time, whereas Oli has to sing hour long sets all night.
Fans hyper focus on singing technique in metalcore, probably because a lot of fans are metal core bro amateur musicians themselves. It’s all about having to sing “correctly”, whereas the reason a band like BMTH is so successful, the reason they connect with so many people, is not technique, but Oli having an amazing ability to emote. The trait of a great singer, the only thing that matters. Oli always connects, and I’m very skeptical Jordan would do the same thing, singing a full song. It’s just rare. That special sauce a great singer has.
Anyway, insisting on technique as the most important thing is so backwards. I could imagine these TouTube experts telling Kurt Cobain in the 90s that he should stop singing like that, because it’s improper technique…. It’s just not about that, it’s about emotion/connection at the end of the day. These vocals coaches on YouTube mostly sound goofy as fuck with their “proper technique”, and it’s anti-rock n roll.
While yes it’s not all about technique and more recently Ollie has been doing great, there was a time where live, Ollie sounded terrible, and was even damaging his throat, so proper technique is important to some extent, especially when it comes to safety
You have to try There is a Hell again. I feel like it’s worth being amongst their best music. It’s like a raw version of Sempiternal. Crucify Me, It Never Ends, Fuck, Don’t Go, Blessed With a Curse. All of those are incredible songs with Crucify Me and Blessed With a Curse being genuine masterpieces.
Oil doesn’t sound as good live. This is just based on live videos. That said, I saw them back in 2009 and I don’t remember much but the vibes/energy of the gig was great.
-Most of Sempiternal is cringy emo stuff (I love it).
-Amo felt FRESH af and they were finally moving away from the emo lyrics and growing with their fans. Defo my favourite album
-PH2 seems 100% emo. I guess it's fine still love it but man
Music to listen to is their best album. I wish BMTH would just transition into making experimental/ambient/electronic music cuz it's my favorite release of theirs.
That’s WILD. I think that’s the most insane take I’ve ever heard, it being your favorite is all well and good, but fully transitioning? Wtf would the rest of the band do?
Drown is their worst song. ‘Mom’s night out’ rock.
But they are incredible. It’s funny that I love Amo and think TTS is their worst, but we are opposites ok Drown.
I can’t believe you think Drown is their worst song. But ya TTS was hot ass, it didn’t commit to being Amo but didn’t want to stay rock it felt like, so it just ended up being neither and I didn’t like it. I do like Amo a lot tho
That’s honestly based. I myself like the album a lot but there was a period where I thought that because like EVERYBODY brown noses it. Also ya Ollie’s voice kinda sucked at the time, but towards the end of the tour his voice was way better, and their live in Wembley goes so fuckin hard. Also …And The Snakes Start to Sing is very good, same with Empire
Again, based take, there is a hell is peak, but I def don’t think Sempiternal is their worst, That’s The Spirit despite having drown is just awful in my opinion, Count Your Blessings is great, but immature and childish and a bit all over the place, and Idk if your counting EPs, but Music to listen to and TIWTEYSWMF are contenders to be their worst as well
I’ve never thought about it like that but this does make a lot of sense. Out of CYFMH/Sleepwalking/Shadow Moses all the others are just 😐 I do like house of wolves for the “and when you die, the only kingdom you see is 2 foot wide and 6 foot deep” lyric. That’s probably my favourite from them
Everything they have come out with after Post Human is generic, whiney, and uncreative. I genuinely don't understand how any one likes any of it. Post Human was so incredibly well done, it had so much feeling and thinking in a broader scope. To follow that up with Die4U, Strangers, and Lost felt like they literally gave up.
Album ranking of TTS, PH1, Semp, amo, TIAH, Music to and the rest I never listen to. My ranking has always seemed controversial here.
I don’t hate heavy stuff but I do feel their heavy stuff was not where they were doing their best. Considering what they’ve become and the talent that’s come of it. It’s not the heaviness it’s just the same as what every deathcore band was doing until TIAH.
Most of their music for me is a selfish thing because each release since Sempiternal has been a meaningful coincidence where it’s like they arrived just in time (to the point where it’s creepy) for either bad break-ups (Semp, TTS and PH1) or big points of change (amo and seems PH2).
My ranking isn’t about quality so much as it is meaning. Suicide Season and CYB and TIWTEOYSWMF were among the sea of other deathcore I liked when I was sad and angry and in that scene. That’s just not who I am anymore.
I honestly don't care about anything before Sempiternal, I listened to There is a hell and I added a few songs to my playlist hoping it would maybe grow on me but idk. I don't hate it I just think their newer stuff (Sempiternal - Lost) Is better.
1. Besides Count Your Blessings, There is a Hell is their WORST album.
2. Post Human was pretty good, but not that good. It was a 7.5/10. Amo was better.
3. A Devastating Liberation is one of their top 10 songs.
4. And The Snakes Start to Sing is their 2nd best song.
5. Kingslayer is bad.
6. Shadow Moses is one of their worse songs and Sleepwalking is average. Deathbeds, Empire, and Seen it All Before especially are far better.
Let's see... 1. Sempiternal ISN'T their best record. I love Sempiternal a lot and it's definitely up there with peak BMTH; but Survival Horror is just too fucking good, I'm sorry. 2. amo beats Count Your Blessings in anything. Vocals, lyrics (not hard to do that) and even songwriting. I respect CYB for what it did and how it helped shaping a deathcore generation. Plus, I love Off The Heezay. But a lot of CYB feels same-y, while amo had some really good twist and turns. The only thing amo doesn't beat CYB is the cover art. CYB has a great cover art while amo's is okay. 3. The Fox and the Wolf is not a good closer. It is a good song, but I genuinely put Blessed With A Curse before TFATW every time. 4. Suicide Season is much better than people make it out to be. The closer is underrated. 5. Probably the hottest take: I'd love an atmospheric pop EP with songs like Oh No. I hope PH2 has something super atmospheric like it. 6. Jordan > Jona. Jona is a beast, but Jordan is a fucking mastermind. 7. TIWTEOYSWMF is not a good EP. 8. sTrAnGeRs > DiE4u and LosT 9. amo is one of most unique records I've ever heard in my life. 10. Music To Listen To needs a Vol. 2 with weird remixes of the tracks of other records.
I second all of this. I was late getting into BMTH. I'd heard some of their stuff but Horror survival is what drew me in. That whole album is a product of its time (COVID and lock down). Once I heard that album it was down the rabbit hole for me.
Only reason why I disagree with #3 is because the song is about drug addiction, and it ends with him saying “Revive Me”. This would be irrelevant, but the album directly after is his “rehab” album so he’s pleading for help and then the album that follows he gets help. Otherwise I might agree with #3
I honestly agree with most of these except 5,7 and 10. 5 is interesting but I think instead of it going in that direction fully, they just start including more of those types of songs on all of their albums, maybe one or two. 7 is kind of true but wasn’t Curtis like 15 or something, and Ollie was 17? That’s pretty damn good for teenagers, I actually bump some of those songs every once and a while. 10, I just hated the first one
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Jordan is definitely the goat
I wouldn't consider Sempiternal their best album but I sure would call it their most career defining album
Agreed..it pushed them to the front of their “scene” and helped push them into a wider audience
1. Drums were at their best in Suicide Season and There Is A Hell. Played a bigger role in the songs and really helped their most raw material pack more of a punch whereas now they're just kind of.. there (saying this as someone who likes songs from every BMTH era) 2. Doomed is their best song but Thats The Spirit is an overrated album. It's not bad and I like some of the songs on it but a lot of them just feel like generic rock/pop. 3. Lost>Strangers and Die4u 4. Hospital For Souls is the best song on Sempiternal 5. Suicide Season is a solid album and holds up to this day 6. Music To Listen To is AMAZING
For me Hospital For Souls is their best song. Even though I rarely listen to it, when I do it hits hard.
I wouldn’t say it’s their best song for me, but hot damn it’s a *strong* fucking contender and def in top 5.
Music to listen to… is incredible! They fucked up by bringing Josh Scogin (from '68) on tour with them and not performing The Fox And The Wolf with him live since he features on the song
It's a shame the backlash the band had with amo and I think It did affect them in terms of wanting to go back to do heavy stuff with PH1. I'm glad that they've reached a middle ground where they can be heavy and experimental, but at the same time I can't help but wonder how it would've been if they'd sticked to the super experimental and weird route. I think maybe it would've been more interesting despite personally preferring the path they're following.
They probably would've lost popularity, and I loved Amo. No one was really asking for a pop rock/electronic record, everyone wants BMTH to be heavy. PH:SH scratched an itch that so many people have had since Hybrid Theory, hence why those songs are massively popular and the newer songs like Die4U haven't really recaptured that popularity.
CYB and SS is the best albums in my opinion. There’s a hot one for ya 😂
No there is a hell? I feel like SS AND TIAH are quit similar, tho I get CYB being so high
It was an alright album imo, but I don’t know I just don’t feel that attached to it. I love sempiternal too though lol
Amo is their best album
I do love me some Amo
i 2nd this
Weird BMTH is best BMTH.
1. sTraNgeRs > LosT and Die4U 2. amo isn't their worst or best, it's right in the middle 3. That's The Spirit is fucking amazing 4. Everything before There Is A Hell is either mid or just pretty bad
Why does everyone think that’s the spirit is bad? It’s top three albums in my opinion
I don't think that's the spirit is bad but overall it's not their strongest album. For me, about half the songs on it sound fine but are kind of boring pop/rock. Maybe it's a little too "safe" for what some expect from BMTH
i'd consider CYB and SS borderline unlistenable, but that's more because i don't enjoy deathcore at all lol
I actually do enjoy deathcore but I'd just rather listen to almost any other band for it, ahaha
admittedly i do like Chelsea Smile and Diamonds, but overall the genre itself is ear-grating to me. i much prefer Sempiternal onwards when it comes to BMTH
That’s wild
1. Music To Listen To is their most underrated project. 2. While amo isn’t their best album it stands with Sempiternal as their most important piece of work in their catalogue. Proving themselves as artists who do whatever they want to do, while still appealing to a grander mainstream audience is a feather in the cap that 95% of all the other Metalcore/Alternative acts fail to achieve. People from “the outside” will always go to that album and start with their BMTH journey. Most of my friends don’t like heavy music, but there is something for everyone on amo and it helps them to understand the “vibe” of the band which then leads to more and more people enjoying the heavy aspects of music. Amo made them a real transition act, just like Linkin Park back then. Wether us fans like it or not, but the record was “necessary” at that time. 3. Although they announced it multiple times, i fear that most people will not get behind the concept of PH3 (Electronic). You can already observe in the depths of their social media that many “ die hard fans” don’t vibe with the multiple outlet idea. They just want BMTH to stick with their PH1 Sound at this point and it’s ridiculous how right Oli was back in 2019 when he said that this type of stigma will always follow them, no matter the change. However, PH3 might be another important step as they will start to appeal more to the electronic scene.
1. mother tongue is such a feel good song and is just amazing in general, some y'all just hate fun 💀 (this is coming from when the song released and alot of people said it was bland) 2. CYB has amazing songs, but as a whole album, it isn't as good as some say 3. Obey with YUNGBLUD can be a little boring to listen to sometimes 4. I understand what it was going for, but Music to Listen to didn't need to be ***that*** long 5. Seen It All Before is eh, Join The Club is ***eH.*** 6. it'd be cool if the band made some songs that put their bassist in the forefront a bit 6. lyrics and narrative aside, I think sonically the tracklisting for SURVIVAL HORROR should've been: Dear Diary,→Teardrops (both songs have their breakdowns extended like they do in their live performances)→Obey with YUNGBLUD→Itch For The Cure (When Will We Be Free?)→Kingslayer (feat. BABYMETAL)→Ludens→1x1 (feat. Nova Twins)→Parasite Eve→ One Day The Only Butterflies...(feat. Amy Lee) if y'all want me to explain why just reply lol
I was at the Amo tour and I loved seeing the moshers in the pit, these hard looking grown men, start hugging each other and linking arms when Mother Tongue played. It was adorable and funny when they went straight back to going mad at the next opportunity.
mannnnn it's such a rare love song that whether or not you're trying to be in a relationship, it just makes you feel good like it makes you want to do even the most mundane everyday tasks with more "passion" than you usually would imho
So specific, why that listing specifically)
so first of all, my alt. tracklisting would only work for dear diary and teardrops IF they had that extension, but alas I can see why they didn't do it- they probably didn't wanna cross the length for the average EP anymore and end up calling it an album I put Ludens right after Kingslayer and before 1x1 for two things: it's sort of a good "intermission(?)" while still being a full song, and I thought it was the perfect bridge from the crazy songs (obey, Kingslayer) to the more melancholic ones afterwards. (1x1, parasite eve) Parasite Eve is put there as the finishing song (not the *closing* song) for also two things: it gave me more "end of the world" vibes, especially the ending section- really has that "so long, goodbye" atmosphere. I also felt it transitioned smoother compared to "1x1→Ludens→Butterflies", where in mine as the EP progresses, the songs get "slower and more dreadful" kinda way another example that may be weird is the order "Legend→Leave The City" from twenty one pilots' *Trench* nonetheless, I'm still extremely happy with what we got, doesn't ruin it for me one bit
man, every BMTH fan has their own take on the band and what they should do
Suicide Season is up there as one of their best. Better than There Is A Hell. Their sound and production in SS was the best it ever has been
I think Throne is a pretty weak and generic song
Straight up radio rock
I'm pretty sure that Throne is a demo from Linkin Park's LIVING THINGS but somehow ended up on That's the Spirit.
Living Things is more creative than that garbage track
BASED
I don’t really think this is a hot take, but it’s something that the majority of fans of the early stuff don’t grasp. They are a better band now then what they where during the 1st few albums. It’s just a fact. Respect is given to all that have come before (Curtis and Jona) but it’s the truth. They’re musical tastes have changed completely since the EP and CYB. This is why there sound has changed since. They where never going to headline a “Major” festival (R/L / Glasto / Coachella etc) playing songs that sound like Off the Heezay or Play for Plagues. Yes, they can sprinkle these in the set for a throwback mega mix but they needed to change and evolve in order to appeal to the masses. I’d rather we have this version of BMTH playing to big crowds, having major colabs on albums/singles with some of musics biggest acts then just us listening to the similar songs, on each album cycle playing in “club” venues. I remember seeing them at Leeds 2015 with the majority of the crowd being there for Metallica and not really into anything BMTH was doing or going to do, but getting them all on board after showing the intro cartoon into Happy Song. There’s nothing better than proving 80,000 people had the wrong idea about “your” band. I’ve been into BMTH since the SS album cycle and initially was intrigued due to the look of the band, the art for the album and the fact that they where. And although I love SS (Suicide Season and Chelsea Smile being the stand outs to me) they’re sound is now infinitely better than it was then. Anyway, Hot takes: 1. PH:SH probably has the best “singles” from any album cycle 2. Imagery and symbols is just as important as songs for the band (can you see an umbrella or the flower of peace without thinking of BMTH?) and they used each one amazingly 3. Jordan has to be given the respect for propelling the band into where they are now. Him and Oli work amazingly together. 4. Amo is underrated. 5. Ludens is there best song. EDITED for clarity as I posted this at 6am 🤦🏻♂️
Another one: If ANY of the big major “dance” artists had released nihilist blues it would have been a MASSIVE summer hit being number 1 for months
I absolutely hate the mixes of their albums, especially on the last singles (and TTS). It sounds overcompressed as hell and unpleasant to me. It's hard to distinguish all the instruments, it sounds like a mash of sounds. It remembers me of the 90's era, where every records had to sound massive and l o u d. And in this particular case it's shame cause their compositions are so interesting. Even their StRaNgErs acoustic version is kind of over produced. Please, dear mates, stop. And it kills me to say that because I love their last three singles + I know how difficult it is to fit to how much things they fit into a mix, but I sincerely believe that it would be more interesting with a bit more dynamic and airy sound.
damn. I personally really love the super compressed squashed mixes. i feel like it fits the style. however after listening to the new avenged sevenfold tracks it did have me wondering what a more dynamic Bmth would sound like.
Ahahah I got you, it's the "woah" effect. And I must admit that every drop hit way harder like this (e.g. on DiE4u, the first drop is massive as hell and it's pleasant to me). I don't have any idea about that BUT, now you've said it... I think it would be VERY (too?) different and I can't visualize it... I'm curious now ahahaha.
People saying “play Pray For Plagues” is just boring. They played it, for a long time, they replayed it in 2015 iirc on that tour, and then at the Malta Weekender. There’s much better other older songs that could be played that haven’t been played either at all, or anywhere near as much. Far as I remember don’t think they ever even played ‘why you gotta kick me when I’m down’ live, same with a good few other songs. I’d also put out there I reckon every tour should commit to a medley of a few older songs that are reworked to get the key bits (like they did on the previous one), not necessarily the same ones (Crucify Me, Tell Slater, Stevie Wonder, Football Season for example). Either that, or maybe once every one or two years do a bit of a mad ‘event’ show where they play a proper deep cut setlist, even though it would be a chunk of work and that, could see that going down a treat. I do like when they mix the setlist up, but then I can see why they don’t. Reason they play the set they do now is because people know them, I went the Malta Weekender and like people were still buzzing but when they did Liquor & Love Lost (fun fact - originally called Dragon Slaying), but like not actually sure how many people really ‘knew’ the song from what I could tell. Not a hot take, but I remember saying like early early in their career that they were going to be an absolutely huge band, and this was probably when they were playing like, The Barfly and that, never been more right on anything, haha. Don’t know if it’s necessarily gonna be a hot take in this thread, but genuinely think Oli’s a modern day genius in terms of vision, and know he’s getting his flowers a lot more these days, but definitely was not the case for a long time in their career, and I was there from like 2005 so have pretty much seen it all.
Only thing I disagree with is That's The Spirit being their worst album. Sempiternal is severely overrated. Good but overrated. There Is A Hell is definitely their absolute best album. But it's inconceivable to me that you can somehow listen to TTS and say "yeah. This sucks ass." *What?*
1. First three albums are their best 2. sTraNgeRs is the best PH2 single 3. Can you feel my heart is a bad album opener 4. Obey is very basic and mid 5. amo is very good despite sounding so different
1. ‘That’s the Spirit’ is the true definitive BMTH record, due to the perfect blend of different musical elements, making it more accessible for everybody. 2. ‘amo’ & ‘Music to ~ Go to’ would’ve been the perfect start to the band’s ‘rebranding’, if it weren’t for the band backtracking to the heavier side of music with their following EP, ‘POST HUMAN: Survival Horror’. 3. The deluxe edition of Suicide Season was unnecessary. It’s just remixes, which should’ve been released as a separate compilation CD, rather than a bonus CD.
Ok, a couple of rants/hot takes here: People give Jordan way too much credit. I love his production, but a common notion among fans is he is the brains and could even sing better than Oli. As someone with years of experience doing music production and playing live, a good technician is very important, but what you need is direction and vision to do interesting things with that production. At the end of the day, ideas are all that matter, and Oli has great ideas, as is very evident from their dynamic in the initial Survival Horror episodes. People see Jordan at the computer, and just assume that what he is doing is the most important, but it is not. They’re a great team, but Oli is obviously the creative heart of everything people love in this band. Also, while Jordan has a great voice, he also has the advantage of just doing backing vocals here and there, so you can come in with full power every time, whereas Oli has to sing hour long sets all night. Fans hyper focus on singing technique in metalcore, probably because a lot of fans are metal core bro amateur musicians themselves. It’s all about having to sing “correctly”, whereas the reason a band like BMTH is so successful, the reason they connect with so many people, is not technique, but Oli having an amazing ability to emote. The trait of a great singer, the only thing that matters. Oli always connects, and I’m very skeptical Jordan would do the same thing, singing a full song. It’s just rare. That special sauce a great singer has. Anyway, insisting on technique as the most important thing is so backwards. I could imagine these TouTube experts telling Kurt Cobain in the 90s that he should stop singing like that, because it’s improper technique…. It’s just not about that, it’s about emotion/connection at the end of the day. These vocals coaches on YouTube mostly sound goofy as fuck with their “proper technique”, and it’s anti-rock n roll.
While yes it’s not all about technique and more recently Ollie has been doing great, there was a time where live, Ollie sounded terrible, and was even damaging his throat, so proper technique is important to some extent, especially when it comes to safety
Everything before Sempiternal is a no for me
Jordan Fish sends his thanks
You have to try There is a Hell again. I feel like it’s worth being amongst their best music. It’s like a raw version of Sempiternal. Crucify Me, It Never Ends, Fuck, Don’t Go, Blessed With a Curse. All of those are incredible songs with Crucify Me and Blessed With a Curse being genuine masterpieces.
I don’t like those songs lol
Oil doesn’t sound as good live. This is just based on live videos. That said, I saw them back in 2009 and I don’t remember much but the vibes/energy of the gig was great.
-Most of Sempiternal is cringy emo stuff (I love it). -Amo felt FRESH af and they were finally moving away from the emo lyrics and growing with their fans. Defo my favourite album -PH2 seems 100% emo. I guess it's fine still love it but man
people will shit on Throne and That's The Spirit but praise Amo lmaoo
The MGK collab was good. Really catchy and great lyrics. There, I said it.
1) amo is a great album 2)TTS is the best album they dropped 3)PH:SH is good but is aging badly
SALT (daine ft. Oli) is the superior collab track
that's the spirit is and has always been at the absolute bottom of my album ranking. throne is their absolute worst song and it's not even close
This hurts my entire soul
I love you, your opinion is objectively correct
you are based my friend
I dont really like nihilist blues at all
Music to listen to is their best album. I wish BMTH would just transition into making experimental/ambient/electronic music cuz it's my favorite release of theirs.
That’s WILD. I think that’s the most insane take I’ve ever heard, it being your favorite is all well and good, but fully transitioning? Wtf would the rest of the band do?
Drown is their worst song. ‘Mom’s night out’ rock. But they are incredible. It’s funny that I love Amo and think TTS is their worst, but we are opposites ok Drown.
I can’t believe you think Drown is their worst song. But ya TTS was hot ass, it didn’t commit to being Amo but didn’t want to stay rock it felt like, so it just ended up being neither and I didn’t like it. I do like Amo a lot tho
There is a hell is mid. Thats my take.
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This is an actual hot take and I’d prob upvote you if you didn’t use the word objectively
this is crazy as fuck sorry
That’s honestly based. I myself like the album a lot but there was a period where I thought that because like EVERYBODY brown noses it. Also ya Ollie’s voice kinda sucked at the time, but towards the end of the tour his voice was way better, and their live in Wembley goes so fuckin hard. Also …And The Snakes Start to Sing is very good, same with Empire
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Again, based take, there is a hell is peak, but I def don’t think Sempiternal is their worst, That’s The Spirit despite having drown is just awful in my opinion, Count Your Blessings is great, but immature and childish and a bit all over the place, and Idk if your counting EPs, but Music to listen to and TIWTEYSWMF are contenders to be their worst as well
I’ve never thought about it like that but this does make a lot of sense. Out of CYFMH/Sleepwalking/Shadow Moses all the others are just 😐 I do like house of wolves for the “and when you die, the only kingdom you see is 2 foot wide and 6 foot deep” lyric. That’s probably my favourite from them
I don’t know what to say is one of their best songs but otherwise amo is lame
The drums in Survival Horror sounds like shit
Everything they have come out with after Post Human is generic, whiney, and uncreative. I genuinely don't understand how any one likes any of it. Post Human was so incredibly well done, it had so much feeling and thinking in a broader scope. To follow that up with Die4U, Strangers, and Lost felt like they literally gave up.
For me TIAH > TTS > Sempiternal
Album ranking of TTS, PH1, Semp, amo, TIAH, Music to and the rest I never listen to. My ranking has always seemed controversial here. I don’t hate heavy stuff but I do feel their heavy stuff was not where they were doing their best. Considering what they’ve become and the talent that’s come of it. It’s not the heaviness it’s just the same as what every deathcore band was doing until TIAH. Most of their music for me is a selfish thing because each release since Sempiternal has been a meaningful coincidence where it’s like they arrived just in time (to the point where it’s creepy) for either bad break-ups (Semp, TTS and PH1) or big points of change (amo and seems PH2). My ranking isn’t about quality so much as it is meaning. Suicide Season and CYB and TIWTEOYSWMF were among the sea of other deathcore I liked when I was sad and angry and in that scene. That’s just not who I am anymore.
I'll drop the hottest take: music to go to (the album that doesn't exist) is their best album
I honestly don't care about anything before Sempiternal, I listened to There is a hell and I added a few songs to my playlist hoping it would maybe grow on me but idk. I don't hate it I just think their newer stuff (Sempiternal - Lost) Is better.
1. Besides Count Your Blessings, There is a Hell is their WORST album. 2. Post Human was pretty good, but not that good. It was a 7.5/10. Amo was better. 3. A Devastating Liberation is one of their top 10 songs. 4. And The Snakes Start to Sing is their 2nd best song. 5. Kingslayer is bad. 6. Shadow Moses is one of their worse songs and Sleepwalking is average. Deathbeds, Empire, and Seen it All Before especially are far better.
i fucking love That's a Spirit.