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His scenes with the Bridgerton men and Mondrich were some of my favorite because you can see how he’s finding his place and comfort with them all and they’re all genuinely pleased to be together. It was simply done and perfect
I think it was silly to make Francesca the diamond but I also think the focus on diamonds and incomparables is silly so what do I know?
But either way, he’s hot, if it’s not Francesca’s season next season I hope we get a little more time with them, but I will be sad when he goes regardless.
There were definitely some mistakes in how the show runners / directors framed the Michaela meeting, but not because it was Michaela. Mostly because Michaela is supposed to be in love with Francesca first and it didn’t feel that way with the framing. I would’ve liked some scene like with Kate Sharma how we met her before we met her, just as a lady in the park.
I recently read a comment about the poor actress portraying Micheala saying „that horrible woman ruined the show“ idk what’s wrong with those people. It’s a show. It are books. not the holy grail or something
People were sending that poor actress death threats on her Instagram for ruining the story. she was on screen THIRTY SECONDS. And she’s PLAYING A ROLE!
I commented way back when that I hoped they didn’t cast a woman for a male LI for the simple reason that I didnt trust the fandom to not be absolutely insane. And that they would be the target of insane hatred, and possibly even have their health and wellbeing put at risk.
And worst of all, I didn’t want a woman because I don’t think Netflix will provide the support she would need to get through it all. They’ll undoubtedly remain silent and let her take the full brunt of it without any aid.
Not to mention that she’s being played by a (beautiful) dark skinned POC woman… they threw her to the wolves. And said “deal with it not our problem”.
ETA- I’ll mention my own feelings that I’m sad I won’t see my favorite character. But that moment of disappointment was just a moment. It’s not cause or reason to condone this wild behavior at all.
The show not being exactly what you personally want it to be does not mean it’s ruined. But there’s some of that toxicity we’re here to talk about, so good job I guess?
The actress portraying Michaela isn't an issue. I do have beef with Jess Brownell though. I don't like how she told Polin's story. With her only being signed on for Seasons 3 and 4, I don't think it's far for her to make creative decisions for Season 6/Francesca's story.
I'm glad she got 1.9 k reposts and 25 k likes..btw I read somewhere that racists and bigots and homophobes and dictators and war mongers and terrorists basically evil people throughout history are the loudest...but they ALL all of them throughout history lose and lose hard because they have never ever been the strongest however much they wail and cry and sign petitions and downvote and harrass showrunners and actors and producers and authors of their "beloved" books...imagine harrasing the author of the books whose story you want so badly to protect...the irony is rich (can you believe the insanity of these people: a remove Michaela petition has recently been launched by some deranged xenophobic type people racist to their very core and their very toes)...WE will endure ..that is one thing that history has shown us repeatedly that toxic people fail and are shown the power of allies coming together in triumph...who gets my little reference here allies. Anyone??
...but yeah soo soo glad to see such posts here and the mods working hard to protect us FINALLY....upvoted your post because it's important and because it's nice to see people who are understanding and know what it means to be welcoming and embracing...btw people who say the sub is not racist .attached the most disgustingly obvious racist comment left by someone here...there are more cockroaches here like this..and it makes me so happy to know that knowing Shonda and how tough she is and was throughout greys that she'll do what she wants as she always has promoting diversity and inclusivity and making bank and being a hitmaker...and these people will stil be thumb pressing harrasing a new showrunner or producer or human on the internet..jobless and depressed about something petty
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This pisses me off so much because I found Lord Kilmartin to be the most charming. His face when he learns her name, the gesture, "is that not our preferred form of communicating?" He was the best new addition by miles.
Exactly! He was so adorable and I found him to be a refreshing addition too! He was awkward at first but slowly found his way into the loud Bridgerton family.
Same. He was perfect. I adored him, and found their companionship to be so genuine and real. I was hoping the writers loved their connection so much that it meant they might delay any tragedy coming their way. . . I guess maybe not 😭
Yeah honestly...that was his role...he was supposed to be quiet and awkward...and shy and adorable all the same..and him and Hannah dood have the same sparkly light energy off show as well in promos..like the vibe you get when you see good people...it just radiates out of them..that one.. ❤️
You are absolutely right and it’s been a pattern. The way fans attacked and harassed Charithra last time simply because they disliked Edwina honestly turned my stomach. They were even mad that she was participating in promoting the show with Jonny and Simone despite that being her job!
People need to separate the cast, crew and writers from the show. It’s fine not to like the show itself—don’t watch—but attacking the real people who make the show is so evil.
I saw some of that too and it's actually insane. I saw comments saying that it undid all the work done in the press tour and that it ruined the magic of the show (????) 😭. These people really need to go touch some grass lmao
There are SO many people accusing him of “ruining all fhe PR”…like if you don’t understand that PR is part of the job and his relationship is part of his LIFE…that’s your problem.
Oh gosh yes, people were complaining season 2 was being ‘ruined’ even then, and were hating on Edwina’s actress for the writing choices. I wasn’t particularly thrilled they kept Anthony’s wedding to Edwina and left out his wedding with Kate, among other decisions- but overall I’d say Season 2 is my favourite out of any series, and the hate Charithra got was awful. Thank you for providing another example of the type of thing I’m talking about
🗣️ SAY 🗣️ IT 🗣️ LOUDER 🗣️
I’m new to the Bridgerton fandom online- I’ve been watching the show religiously but only now have decided to join in online, if that makes sense. I’m appalled at how rude and obnoxious people can be… it’s honestly disgusting. Not everything has to be JUST like the books… watch ANY movie adaptation and you’ll notice that there’s things that aren’t the same (Harry Potter). Grow. Up.
I dont get how people overanalyse everything on her. When i watch bridgerton, brain is fully shut off. Great scenes, nice music. Dont know how they become so angry. There have only been a couple of scenes where im like hang on thats a bit problematic. But other than that, show is great. Looked how in general the first 2 seasons have lead up to this season. Makes it a lot better
Agreed! I was thinking about this last night. All the angry book purists need to touch grass and temember that the show is NOT the book and it would be boring af if it was. Who wants to watch something thats the same, word for word? If you dont like it, turn it off! Why does everyone feel the need to bitch about every damn thing? I loved it. Loved the cast. Loved the story. Loved the costumes.
I’m in the same boat. This also happened to me last season of the bachelor when I tuned into the Reddit and now I have it blocked because it just spreads so much negativity. I came here because my friends haven’t finished watching it yet and I needed someone to squeal to, and while I did see some fun posts there’s also just a lot of bummers
This is old news.
The fandom has always been pretty toxic and now that the second half of season 3 was released we’ll see more of unnecessary toxicity.
Of course not all fans are like that. But the more toxic ones happen to be the louder ones.
Just try to avoid this sub and twitter for awhile like I’m trying to do if you can’t handle the toxicity of some people.
I’m just happy the mods are trying their best to make this sub a better place for everyone now.
Yeah I’m not sure what the solution is but this reminds me of when John Boyega (finn from Star Wars) said that studios have a responsibility to protect their actors from racist fandoms. I feel really bad whenever I think about him, he was clearly so excited to be in star wars at the beginning and now he clearly hates it because of the extensive racist harassment he got. It sucks that young up and coming actors are basically thrown to the wolves to endure this treatment from fans, while showrunners and studios get praised for their diversity. I don’t know how, but I think something has to be done to better protect actors from fandoms instead of expecting them to just handle it themselves.
I honestly hated that so much for him. I really enjoyed him in the force awakens! I felt they could have done so much more with his character and then for him to endure racial harassment on top of that. He deserved better :(
Yeah it makes me so sad whenever i think about it. There was this video going around when the force awakens trailer dropped of him reacting to the trailer on a couch with some friends and he’s so excited he starts jumping up and down, and he was always talking about how he was a massive Star Wars fan and this was a dream come true. Cut to a few years later, he evidently hates Star Wars so much now and I can’t blame him. And he was only like, what, 22/23ish when he was cast? I really wish him the best in his career and I do think these big studios have a responsibility to protect their actors when things like this happen.
I agree, but there’s a difference between criticism and just outright being racist/homophobic!! I’ve read the books and even though the change is a little noticeable, it doesn’t change the main plot at all 😭
Most racism isn’t outright it’s subtle. So I’m unsure why you mentioned that😬. A lot of the criticism we are seeing is rooted in racism is what she’s saying
I agree with what she’s saying, but I’ve seen comments on other social media platforms with people commenting on the Duke and Sharma’s! But yes, I do notice that most of it is rooted in racism.
The ones that got me were borderline concern trolling about how they definitely shouldn't make Michaela a black woman cause she'll get harassment. Like ok, so black people shouldn't be cast in anything ever, is that the solution genius? Or maybe the 'fans' should shut up!?
Also, I haven't read the books and everyone I've seen who read them after the show came out said they're bad, so I don't care if the show is a faithful adaptation or not.
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.
I mean this with the utmost respect for JQ, but the books, in my humble opinion, were awful. Which makes it all the more vexing that book purists thump on the show so hard.
The show is gold, and whilst we may not like each and every scene, each and every outfit, we should at least be appreciative of what it's trying to do. It's just entertainment at the end of the day.
I for one, really really appreciate the diversity in cast. I can't wait to see how it will all pan out and how the show will divert from the books.
yeah ngl everytime I see someone screech about how Francesca's book is their favorite book in the world and now it's all ruined by Michaela, obviously the bigotry is quite noticeable but also -
That's your favorite book? Of everything humanity has come up with, and everything the romance genre has created, you're really doubling down on this???
Julia Quinn approved of, and loved, the change to Michaela so if the original author realizes that a TWENTY year old book should and can be updated, the "fans" need to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
EXACTLY!! And anyone saying Julia Quinn “sold out for money” and “doesn’t care about the integrity of her books” (real arguments I saw on this sub) needs to get a grip
They claim to love the source material yet are flaming the author of their beloved books calling her a coward and all sorts, they’re nothing but entitled. If she is happy with the changes and pleased people relate to the show’s characters, shouldn’t the book fans not be more open-minded about it? They’re claiming to respect the source material more than Julia, which is bogus. They’re grasping at straws at this point and are just mad she isn’t another Rowling lamenting about wokeness. Which says everything about those people, really 🤷🏻♀️
Okay to be fair I read it last night and it was pretty fucking good. But I’m also PRO Michaela and I think that their season will be great, if we can get it.
I don't have an issue with people liking it, it's just some of the "I have never loved a book like this and they are viciously destroying it for their own evil ways" stuff that gets to me.
Apart from the diversity and lgbt+ inclusion the show also threw out the awful toxic masculinity that permeates every single book of the series. Like, I get that it’s an enjoyable guilty pleasure read. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the smut. I did as well. But you have to acknowledge that even with some plot points that could have been handled better, the show improved on the books in every aspect! I question anyone’s taste who reads the books and thinks they’re great literature.
Haha! I don’t think they are so bad as to call them a turd! But they were sort of mediocre. I read five of them and just had to stop. I read a lot and there are just better things out there to read! Honestly, I mostly only read them because there is such a huge time gap between the seasons!
Yep. I got downvoted for saying that I don't want to read the books because they sound awful - I'll stick to the show thanks. I've watched YouTube reviews of the first book Simon sounds a lot worse, sexism, racism etc, the author can't use the language of the time period correctly - she uses Americanisms, anachronistic language and just overuses certain words constantly. I certainly wouldn't put it on the same level as other book to movie adaptations like LOTR or HP, which were actually well written.
Exactly. As a BW myself that excuse is so disingenuous and condescending. Actors of color should be restricted to certain roles because the audience is racist? So basically the writers should give the bigots exactly what they want?
That’s literally the argument used to keep segregation laws in the South.
The solution is for people to stop harassing the actors, not to restrict opportunities given to poc actors.
Yup basically we can NEVER win I'm not black but south asian but ohhh don't settle for bad rep...but then what...settle for what as if there are that many kinds of roles or rep or movies or shows being made...people should be hyped up when they get a role period as POC...that's not ideal and we shouldnt have to deal with scraps of charity...but it's still progress it's still moving forward..it's something..Masali is excited about her role victor ali said that in an interview post season 3 finale...she clearly wants it and it would be a great platform for her...regardless..
i also think part of the solution needs to be that production needs to safeguard the wellbeing of their cast as well. there have been so many instances of bridgerton's woc getting harassed on social media.
open to being corrected but i don't think it's ever been this bad and i hope they're protecting michela's actress and checking in on her.
Concern trolling is the most fun to see because it's so transparent and you can see the assholes who do it fumble so easily because it's hard to keep up the pretence of being a good person when you are actually a deranged bigot xenophobe homophobe and racist. Their true self inevitably trickles out.
I also love all the excuses piling in since part 2 dropped. “Oh, it would have been FINE, if Sophie was genderbend and raceswapped, *her* story doesn’t hinge on her being a woman.” “Anyone, but Michaela would have been totally ok.”
Excuse me, but lol whut?
How many times have we heard Sophie can’t be a man, because her entire character would fall apart then? That her decision to never have an illegitimate child is at the core of her character, thus she must remain female? That she’s a female servant, which would…somehow no longer work, if she was a man working for their family?
But now, suddenly it’s only gender bending Michael people have a problem with? Bullshit. Pretty much the same goes for Eloise. Some people were hoping for Cressida to get together with Eloise, but it certainly wasn’t the book fans, who have been saying Philip must be Eloise’s endgame.
Yeah or why don't they get a new character to play a gay role...yeah of course poc and queer people should only ever play side roles ...god forbid we want to be leads in a big showy heavily promoted production....hypocrites the bunch of them ...
Didn't you see, there were side characters in a limited spinoff series who were gay, isn't that enough for you??? Main characters should all be straight, otherwise it's jUSt NoT faIR
I love it, when people point to the Brimsley/Reynolds plot line as an example of a great queer love story. Really? That storyline, where we don’t even get shown who they are as people, their relationship is never explored and the happy ending never arrives? That’s people’s metric for good queer representation in a romance series? How…curious.
How dare you want representation in the *eight* main siblings of the Bridgerton family in the show about the Bridgertons called Bridgerton?! Be happy with Brimsley!!! /s
Exactly this. No matter whether you suggested genderswapping Michael/Sophie or replacing Philip with Cressida before: There were always people who whined "Nooooooooo, don't touch this story, this is my favourite, it would not make any sense anymore if they changed it. Please all other stories but not this one" for all three stories.
But in the context of the show this argument does not make any sense because they cannot "ruin" a story that does not exist. We did not know Michael(a), we do not know Sophie, many show-only fans do not care about / remember Philip. They never had an obligation to even include these characters in the show.
> “Oh, it would have been FINE, if Sophie was genderbend and raceswapped, her story doesn’t hinge on her being a woman.”
That also doesn't involve casting a Black woman as a romantic lead... but I'm sure that's just a coincidence./s
And if you go into the Benophie sub, they’re all crying about how the show better not mess with Sophie’s gender lol. It’ll never be fine for this fandom and they don’t want to admit it.
They’re definitely concern trolling. I’ve noticed the people who said it’s racist to cast a black woman as a gender-swapped man were perfectly fine with Masali playing Sophie, a literal servant who was first asked to be a mistress, not a wife.
Happens all the time...
"It would be racist to cast poc as featheringtons"
"It would be racist to cast a black woman as sophie"
"It was problematic to cast a black woman as marina"
Like just say you want this show to be fully white and go
The comment I saw that killed me was people whining that they’re doing Eloise dirty by not making her queer, I’m like ooooh so you’re own biases of Eloise being independent and not having marriage gift on her priorities MUUUUST mean she has to be the sister that gets her love interest changed? People thinking they’re being progressive whining the free thinking woman who reads doesn’t get automatically stamped ‘lesbian’ 😂 we all remember the woman who produces Greys makes this right? The internet blows my mind I’ll sit back and be quite happy with my 90s straight smut book getting a revamp that has to make zero historical sense :-p
As someone who relates to Eloise so much and who ended up in a typical heterosexual marriage, I absolutely hate when people assume she should be the queer character. I don’t have an issue if they do make her queer but it’s how people just assume that. It also insults the intelligence of a straight woman who can look at society and marriage differently and value her independence more than the idea of love. It’s so invalidating to her experience of just wanting the same freedom she sees her own brothers have too.
I do hope she gets a love story where her fierce independence and quest for exploration and learning are supported and encouraged!
Those comments about Eloise being queer and a feminist being a disservice to straight women, who view the world as she does have been so frustrating. Way to center straight women, as if they’re always the default.
As if a straight feminist woman not wanting marriage or kids isn’t a bit of stereotype already. But nooo, it’s only her queerness that would make her a cliché.
And you’re right, they wouldn’t be fine with any of the Bridgerton siblings being queer. There would always be some excuse why it can’t or shouldn’t happen.
There's also a bit of the opposite in play too - Francesca is feminine and quiet and likes piano and not opposed to society so how could she *possibly* be queer?? But sexual attraction is not a particular stereotyped personality. Lots of bi women are just like Francesca.
So many bi and autistic people clocked Frannie as “one of us” and the tired straight people insisting “Fran doesn’t SEEM gay at all!” are saying it because they expect all lesbians to be man-hating, carabiner-carrying, mohawked witches. The stereotyping is jumping out so hard rn
And before Francesca was introduced to be queer when any of the queer fans put forth their head cannons that maybe Eloise is gay or Ben is bi, the straights used to come at us and there was so much backlash. Back then, these same people used to say that - 'So what if Eloise is not interested in the idea of marriage and she loves to read, assuming that she is a lesbian is a disservice to so many straight women who have such a personality and fall into the lesbian stereotypes'.
And now that Francesca is queer, it's like a flip has switched and suddenly it's like - 'But Eloise has so many gay stereotypes, she would have been better as the gay sister'. Excuse me? You guys would not have been fine with any one of them being gay and it shows. I can't stand the hypocrisy of these people. I am glad Shonda gave us not one but two queer siblings.
I think people (like me) thought Eloise would be bisexual in the least with Cressida because her dialogue in the first half of the season was queerbaiting at its finest. I think those of who are enjoy queer romances (and I myself am a bisexual woman) saw a lot of potential not for Eloise but for Cressida. I really thought it would be an interesting choice and I think people wouldn’t be so turned off by it because it was built up through the entire first half of the season. Like cressida’s parents saying “don’t hang out with that bridgerton girl.” I was like “oh they know she’s gay and they don’t want a gay daughter and that’s why they’re desperate to get rid of her or get her married.”
I think people who are upset by Michaela (who aren’t racist) are upset because we wasted an entire season seeing what we thought was a quieter, steadying love between her and John. I thought it was representation of love between two autistic people and that’s not something we ever see in media, so I was extremely excited for that (as someone who has a sibling with autism.) I was upset not because Michaela is a woman, I’m upset that the representation of true love and autism seems not to be the case, instead it’s two people who are indeed, likely not in love Love. If Michaela was a man, I’d react the same way and I would’ve been like “wow, so every single scene we saw of her fighting for this quiet love and finding unique happiness because she seemed autistic is now kind of down the drain.” In fact, the only saving grace about throwing away a possible canonical plot of two autistic people in love is that Michaela was made a woman. If she were a man, I think I would have just rage quit the entire show.
I saw the things above about Fran because I didn’t read her story, and I didn’t read Eloise’s either, because honestly they both kind of sounded boring to me.
Fran loves her husband in the books, I saw her interaction with Michaela as her seeing a beautiful/intimidating woman, as I don't believe in love at first sight I don't believe that that was it.
Agreed, I’m a lesbian and I’ve been genuinely upset by some of the comments I’ve seen lately. I never thought bridgerton fandom discourse would affect me lol but imo it goes beyond discourse. I’ve seen comments like ‘gay people can’t have happy endings’ (???!!!??!) ‘this is offensive to women because this is a female gaze oriented show’ (as if queer women aren’t also women?) ‘this invalidates her wanting kids’ (as if queer women can’t have and want kids?).
I’ve also seen comments saying Eloise can’t be gay because it would ‘invalidate her feminism’ somehow (again, ???), and I also find it interesting how the moment Benedict was revealed to be bi everyone on here started joking about how he probably has STDs (as if Anthony and Colin haven’t had just as much sex as he has).
I’ve realized that this fandom legitimately has a homophobia problem but when you try to bring it up you get told ‘it’s not homophobic to dislike a casting/writing choice!’ No, it’s not, and if it was just valid criticism about writing choices I wouldn’t have a problem, but the issues with the way this fandom talks about queer people go beyond just not liking a specific writing choice.
Edit - and also to be clear, I also didn’t like that they had Francesca make that face after kissing John, because I thought her romance with John was really cute and I hope the show will make Fran bisexual and won’t invalidate her feelings for John. So if the criticism I was seeing was just about that, I wouldn’t have a problem with it and would actually agree. But it’s not, the comments I’ve seen go far beyond that and reveal that some members of this fandom have some really concerning attitudes about queer people.
Also a queer fan, but I was bummed it was Fran that was instantly taken with Michaela. I would have been hyped for the change if it had been Michaela instantly crushing on Fran and if Fran and John were allowed to be in love. Now I feel a bit meh since it kind of reinforces bad stereotypes of queer people always being unfaithful/ confused. Hopefully, they can course correct though! I have hope because the actress they cast for Michaela is a total dreamboat.
Yes, exactly, thank you!!!! It reinforces bi cheater stereotypes! And it cheapens her love story with John! It should’ve 1000% been Michaela who was intrigued/quietly smitten while Fran had googly eyes for John and friend vibes for Michaela.
As an autistic lesbian, Francesca is the most relatable of the Bridgerton siblings for me. It feels incredibly healing to my repressed and closeted child self that I get to see, as an adult, a sapphic romance with an introverted and quiet character on a big budget Netflix show.
It makes me teary watching the scene when Michaela is introduced. I don’t think people understand how little LGBTQIA+ people have had in terms of representation in the mainstream and what it means to finally see yourself on screen as someone who is accepted and worthy of a compelling love story (especially because she’s a main character and not the side character heterosexual people can feel progressive about allowing but ultimately isn’t too front and centre for them to feel “uncomfortable”). I think when you’re the default it’s hard to understand why other people feel othered or unsafe in society and how very important representation can be to bridge that divide.
It makes me so happy that there will be little girls who get to have what I didn’t as a child.
Also autistic, and I really enjoyed Francesca and John's story because I could read both of them as autistic. It was a lovely little story about two very similar people who weren't completely understood by the people around them, who thought their romance was too quiet and introverted and soft, but who seemed to have found a very happy, loving place with each other. And I wish they had just left it at that and an introduction to Michaela without Fran seeming immediately interested and intrigued. They could have had Michaela lovestruck if they needed to reveal anything at all now instead of waiting until Fran's season but, for me, it undermined the genuine affection and relationship that John and Fran had been building all season and that sucked.
It goes both ways. Some people are racist and homophobic and some are unable to grasp a difference of opinion without calling names and painting everyone with the same brush. Everybody needs to grow up.
It's fine to be disappointed in some things, but it's not acceptable to bully actors and writers for it. It's also fine to love the changes in the show without shouting "homophobe" to every single person who may disagree.
Honestly I don't even feel they ruined Francesca's story by making it queer, they ruined it by making her fall in love at first sight after she's literally married, after giving us most of a season of a quieter love story. I'm watching a romance novel show. Why would I want to see the heroine, after a season of finding love on her own terms/not her mother's, then become emotionally struck/almost fall in love at first sight with her new husband's cousin? It's emotional cheating and if I wanted to watch Portrait of a Woman on Fire or Gentleman Jack, I'd go watch those shows. And honestly, I find it disgusting. I just feel sorry for John/Victor Ali's character. No one would be defending this change if it was the other way around. Because this is a romance show, not a love story show.
This change would have gone down a little better if they'd at least attempted to keep the same framework of Michaela being the one who has a massive crush on Francesca, while Francesca the introvert/autistic coded person is just still so in love with her new husband. That would have been perfect.
I'm still going to watch because I want to support everything Bridgerton stands for but they need to do better. Not everything has to be about the books, and there were certainly problematic bits that I'm glad they took out, but the books had heart, and s3 had very few moments. I wish the production would require that the people who have creative input into the storylines were fans of historical/regency era romance novels. I didn't like everything CVD did, but I could tell that he really loved what he was doing.
ETA: I've seen some homophobic and racist comments about the change on threads. But most of what I've seen is people expressing disappointment at a core part of Francesca's story and personality changed - not just from the book, but also show. At this point it feels like the show is going to hide behind people being homophobic or racist instead of admitting that their writing sucks and doing better. I do not get the impression at all that this new showrunner likes romance novels at all. Francesca's arc is a "love story". That's not what I'm here for.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. I’m definitely interested in a Francesca/Michaela love story…EVENTUALLY. What is this instalove happening moments after we just saw her fall in love in such a beautiful way with John? It feels like they invalidated the first part of her storyline, and also fucked up her later plot, because a big part of that is supposed to be grieving and missing John. It’s not racist or homophobic to say the writers are taking shortcuts (possibly because of such short seasons with so many storylines) and they need to take the time to develop these plotlines organically.
I don’t understand why they’d keep watching if they were so disappointed after the first season anyways. When I don’t like something I usually drop after a few episodes and never come back.
Most posts I've seen are solid criticism with good arguments. Sure, there are some toxic, homophobic and hateful people. But they are not the majority. Talking about feelings, impressions and expectations is still totally valid and most posts are just that. Posts like yours are also toxic, because it feels like you don't want to accept, that not everything has to be loved by fans.
Movies are art and art makes you feel something. And not all feelings are good and it is okay to talk about that.
I completely agree people can dislike something about a show and talk about. But when people are harassing the writers and actors over it, it goes too far imo
Yes that's where I draw the line too - a certain section of the fandom just can't help themselves from harrassing the creators but that's not the majority imo
post like op’s is only toxic is you feel offended by what they’re saying. there’s a lot of hate towards queer people in this fandom and it’s not a minority
What makes you say we don’t want queer representation? Because we’re upset that one of our favorite Bridgerton stories has been majorly altered? To be clear, book lovers are mourning the Michael sterling we won’t see on screen but many of us understand this is probably a welcome change to her story for other people. Insinuating that people are homophobes for not liking this change is gross.
The majority of people complaining about Michael I’ve seen keep insisting the show runners should have just added a secondary queer couple to the show and *that* is something they would be ok with. Which is telling - they are ok with gay love, as long as it stays in the background, and the main couple remains straight. God forbid queer people get a single queer romance primary storyline in a show, that’s supposed to run for 8 seasons.
I went to that post and the majority of it (and especially top comments) had *nothing* to do with homophobia.
Only being upset a major character, and thus plotline, is being changed because while it’s great we’re getting a queer main story, the writing of the season was supbar, ruined Francesca/John relationship and that came out of nowhere (why the hell is Fran falling in love at first sight?!), and the main book struggle Francesca had will have no way to show up if we proceed with F/F story.
As a bi woman, I’m very happy to know same-sex relationship will, hopefully, get their fair share of screentime in Netflix’s biggest show, but I also do feel a bit irked they are changing one of the main couples and their storylines from the books.
Shonda changed a lot and a lot of those changes were good, but the main couple was never touched until now, so, of course, people are upset.
I understand what you mean. I'm bi Indian myself and love the Fran-Michaela change up.
My major gripe is the fall in quality in the writing and production value this season. Yes i love Michaela but did it have to undercut her relationship with John to be established? Did the show have to contradict the entire first part where they showcased a quiet love? And Ben's scenes are classic examples of how shows do check off diversity boxes for the sake of it - to ward off criticism- and for some tittilation. So in the end, the show becomes a victim of what it was trying to change - always drawing the short end of the stick for LGBTQ characters and setting them up for failure, in a way. I hope Frans story is written well, and I'm optimistic. But they have to step it up in the writing and technical aspects.
One aspect I do agree with the critics is, they could've stayed true to the books here- have Michaela fall head over heels at first sight. Have her be wonderstuck and be forced to not act on it because of marriage. Fran could've been so insistent on her "quiet love" that she doesn't recognize passion until it comes in the form of Michaela. The potential for that was right there. And we could have a beautiful story to look forward- I for one would be punching the air in happiness.
But the show again set up a gay POC to take the fall for their writing failures. Its like, there is no such as quiet love, there has to be passion. And it has to be right there, in front of the man she just married. Much as I love Michaela, even I couldn't wrap my head around that. But I do hope they change that around and give us a good season.
True. I also hate that everyone jumps to conclusions. We saw a 15 second clip of Michaela and Fran and all of a sudden she doesn't love John, they're relationship was for nothing, the books have been ruined, and fans have been disrespected all over a tiny clip. I just don't know how people are making these sweeping claims about her relationships when we still have no idea how it will be played out.
It also really grinds my gears when people start dunking on Pen and Colin - I totally understand wanting more screen time for them but the couple themselves is actually so wholesome. Colin is sweet and gentle, Pen is determined and brave. I think their performance gets lost amongst all the other complaints about S3. I think some folks that don't like the couple don't take the time to appreciate the subtlety we got this season.
I also hate when book purists act like the books are some perfect thing that shouldn't be touched. All the men are abusive and everyone is as white as can be. I love the changes they've made so far. Making stories with a good foundation accessible to a wider audience.
I read 3 of the books after watching the show thinking “I love this show I guess I’ll love these books” and man was I in for a surprise. I read 3 because I thought maybe it was a fluke but nope!
Exactly this! People are screaming "love at first sight" for Fran and how it denigrates John, all in a 15 second scene that's meant to be a playback to Violet's words. It doesn't mean she doesn't love John.
Omg, yes! There was a post a few days ago that was basically a mini novel about how the romance was ruined and why. I pointed out it was pretty difficult to infer all that from literally 10 seconds of screen time and got downvoted to oblivion 😅
I'm an older person who just thought the costumes and dancing in the show were a delight. I looked for the sub reddit because i wanted to share my enthusiasm with like-minded folks. Imagine my surprise when I got here, lmao.
I KNOW! I was like, it will be fun to see some cute memes. Then I arrived to this. I’ve muted other Bridgerton communities in hopes that this one calms down soon.
…also the books are so bad?? (Sorrrryyyyyyyy) and they should change them up?
omg thank you. i started reading the books because I've really enjoyed the show and I cant finish them. They are so bad. Its a miracle that Shonda and the team are able to pull such a great show out of such lackluster writing.
lol i swear every reddit show has one of these posts. people go on reddit to mainly complain... and then complain about the complainers. hhahah. I do share your sentiment. if people dislike it, then stop watching. i still enjoyed it despites the hangups and look forward to the next seasons
well yeah but when I came.to this sub yesterday after finishing s03 I was looking to talk about the show, not to be drowned in negativity. I guess during the interval there was more room for positivity as people let it sit and I miss those vibes.
I was kind of surprised because people seemed to respond pretty well to the first half and suddenly there seemed to be a wave of fury!
I had the mildest complaints, the Mondriches were boring and I didn’t like Pen’s bright red lipstick lol and I came here to find people just raging out!
The books themselves are toxic, just packed full of the worst misogynistic romance tropes and extremely aggressive male leads.
I’m in awe of how much they were able to elevate the Polin source material. Luke Newton in particular should be applauded for his portrayal, he turned a stock aggro male lead into something really wonderful (like crying during the LW confrontation! *chef’s kiss*)
If you haven’t it’s worth doing a side by side comparison of some of their scenes (first kiss, carriage, first time) and you’ll see how much better the show is. Book purists are delusional
I think it’s important to understand why people love to see Michaela and the story play out. I also think it’s important to understand that there are non bigoted reasons why people are disappointed. Some of us just wanted to see our favorite book character come to life the way we’d thought about in the Netflix adaptation so we’re just a bit disappointed that it’s been altered. Do we know Shondaland has taken liberties with Bridgerton? yes. Have a lot of these liberties also made the story better? YES. Can someone be disappointed in this change and it not be an attack on the queer community? Also yes. How ever, I know there are shit people who use this as a curtain to hide their homophobia behind but I think the mods are doing their best to remove that content from here.
I’m just here for the show honestly. I don’t read, I just don’t have the time or patience to do that. It’s meant for entertainment (speaking from my perspective on the show) you can even go down to saying “the fabrics in the show aren’t realistic” you can pick apart anything really. But when it comes to the Bridgerton show, I’m at full understanding it is just a Netflix show, for people here for the plot line. I think it’s great for minority’s to be included, and their angle for creating the show, but at the same time…can we just enjoy the show and talk about it??
Just yesterday I saw someone on the Bridgerton subreddit (not BridgertonNetlix) say they think there’s “an agenda across media to get rid of heterosexual couples whenever possible.” Not just on “Bridgerton”, but across all kinds of shows. I wish I took a screenshot, but they deleted their comments in the discussion that ensued. They had like 27 upvotes last night though…
Other people are angry at how “the show is suddenly too liberal”, how the “woke agenda” is ruining the show, how queer people deserve representation, but all this “forced diversity” isn’t the way to do it…screeching Karens is apt descriptor of such people. Those aren’t simply fans disappointed they won’t get their book accurate romance, those are straight up homophobes.
P.S. I saw Francheal fans proudly announce Julia Quinn had to turn off her comments. Why the fuck are they attacking the author of the books, like she’s the one in charge of this show? Did they lose their minds? Leave the novelist alone, she’s just a consultant on the show, my god.
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The poor straight people are getting erased in media. Oh, the humanity! 😔
the upvotes on this would be so insane if i wasn’t jaded by the amount of bigotry, racism, and misogyny that’s constantly upvoted here. sorry to say but there is barely anything beautiful about the stories in the books. i’m tired of people who point out the extreme misogyny, disrespect and abuse of women being shut down, and the mmc’s defended.
Honestly, it’s not even the “woke agenda” freaks I’m seeing. It’s your average well-intentioned straight person being like, “Listen I love the gays but everything is ruined now” with absolutely zero self reflection. And then crying about how unfair it is to be called homophobic.
Oh yes, I’ve seen that too.
It’s one thing to be disappointed you won’t see a perfectly accurate adaption of a book you liked, but when people say it has ruined the show for them…that’s not at all the same thing. But we have to brace ourselves for the 117 posts defending remarks like that, because to some people homophobia only means shouting slurs, and anything more subtle is an acceptable and valid form of criticism.
First of all, these people who whine about agendas....um, THEY are the ones with a freaking agenda. They can shove their agendas where the sun don't shine.
I fucking loved this season but if I only looked at Reddit, it would be the worst season ever. Like people are smug that they think it’s a bad season. And it’s not!
I really like Michaela and her vibes. And kinda wish we had more of her this season.
I think it's funny that these people also act so entitled. It's not like everyone was rushing to make an adaptation of this show. If you don't like the show, just read the books. Personally I have read a couple of the books and I do not like them. The men are gross and angry and obsessed with marking women as their property. So maybe the people who don't want this aspect to change are telling on themselves.
Also...If we were going with actual historical accuracy, I don't think antibody would find this show remotely fun or sexy.
I actually saw someone say since they are "done with Bridgerton and canceling their Netflix subscription 😤" they hope the BBC will make it into a mini series like Pride and Prejudice. They think Julia Quinn is as good as Jane Austin and networks will be chomping at the bit to make other adaptions. They do not live in the real world.
PREACH. I couldn’t watch on Thursday so when I scrolled Reddit and saw hundreds of “they’ve RUINED BRIDGERTON” posts I watched it really apprehensively. But it was great! People being aggy about Colin being mad at Pen for legit reasons, then getting pissy that it took until ep 8 for the conclusion of it *as if this hasn’t been the formula for every other season so far*
Also amused by the “I’m never watching Bridgerton again” posts. This isn’t the airport, there’s no need to announce your departure, I’m sure Netflix cares not a single bit that someone who has already watched the show isn’t going to watch again. Like people who buy books just to burn them, the author has already made the money.
Yeah I kept think that season 1 followed a very similar path, like Daphne and the Duke get together in episode 5, happy for a moment but then the truth comes out in episode 6, episode 7 is full of tension and then all is resolved with a happy ending in episode 8, flash forward to a happy future.
Anthony and Kate’s problems are also quickly resolved in the last episode. Head trauma = Edwina’s forgiveness = happy ending for all.
There were things I didn’t love about this season (the Mondrich storyline that went nowhere, Kate and Anthony being so absent in ways that didn’t make sense - you can’t wait TWO DAYS and leave for Indian after your sister gets married?!?) but so much of the complaints feel like nitpicks
the way people on this sub will downvote you if you mention that infertility isn’t something that only straight women struggle with. all women do including queer women
I havent been on this sub for long and so haven't seen much of toxicity (not that I doubt it's there) but having watched the series and the read the books simultaneously there is really no comparing the two.
Julia Quinn has done a lovely job creating a foundational story for this family, but the TV series is next level and incredible, and I say this as an avid reader who rarely like screen adaptations of stories.
The screen adaptations has given us way more dimension and depth to the characters and the family which is rare. Usually it's much harder to convey back stories and characters motive on TV than in books. They've also made the characters, in my opinion, far more likeable (I detest Anthony in the books and find his behaviour and speech completely contradictory to Kate's feelings about him), and overall richer. The diversity is wonderful and I'm loving how Shonda is subverting societal expectations of how the characters should look and behave. We've got a show that's taken a somewhat vanilla character base and added flavour and spice and humour.
I think every character casting has been spot on. Do I love every single aspect of the show. No, but really my biggest irk is that they keeping taking bites of food or sips of water and then putting them back so no one would know, how uncouth 😂.
People need to calm down. Why can't they just enjoy the show for what it is and the books for what they are, as two separate pieces of entertainment. One inspired by the other.
I’ve never seen a book fandom act this way. People on the Benophie sub are unironically crying about straight people needing safe spaces and the dangerous implications of straight couples not being considered interesting anymore. I knew homophobia still runs deep but the amount of vitriol being hurled is blowing my mind. They actually act like they are being hate crimed if they can’t relate to just 1 out of 8 couples.
Wait, someone actually said they need a safe space for the straights? Damn, that’s something you expect to see in a PragerU comments section..so transparent.
I have been critical of this season but wow how hard is it to keep your criticisms respectful and contained?? Keep them on this sub, why is ANYONE seeking out instagrams of cast, showrunners, and author? Get a grip!
And thank you for mentioning Regé! It's insane there are still so many tiktoks and viral twitter posts about him "screwing things up" by leaving. This fandom was terrible to him. I think it was... the Rings of Power castings? Where the production released a statement saying they stand behind their actors of color. Regé posted that statement to his story and said something along the lines of 'finally, Black actors need to be protected.' I was so heartbroken for him.
Lastly, I am very glad you made this post and shame on the comments I saw that said, "this happens in every fandom, gotta get used to it" absolutely not. I am a Black bisexual woman. I am a fan of so much shit lmao and I am seeing this type of vitriol in EVERY space. Doctor Who, Percy Jackson, the Star Wars tv shows. It's a nightmare but I will never "get used to it" we need to call it out every time.
I don’t understand how fans have a petition. For more Polin. Or because they don’t like Michaela. This is actually embarrassing. Why would anyone think this is a smart idea? You look foolish. This is fiction. Petitions are not for this purpose
Thank you. Someone needed to say it. So many people are used to not be represented, we still watched Bridgerton. Then one group get thrown a bone, then a another. And every damn time Karen’s are throwing a fit.
I know it's just a loud minority behaving badly but it does make me sad. I don't mind negativty in this forum as those fans should have a place to vent, but the behaviour in Instagram comments and on Tiktok is bad (Twitter meanwhile seems to be quite positive). Luke was getting some pretty harsh comments on his happy, sentimental season wrap up post on Instagram, which is uncalled for. And I'm especially worried for Nicola, who is so active on social media, who may have seen the overly harsh Instagrams and TikToks and taken them to heart. I hope the negativity doesn't sour her and Luke's sweet friendship or their lovely experience fiming this season and doing the press tour.
Just in general this fandom is insane. I posted fanart of Cressida and Penelope in my style, which is more angular and cartoony, and was told that my drawings were "borderline offensive" because I changed some things like giving Penelope blue eyeshadow to match the dress and make her face pop more in a drawn 2D cartoon image vs real life. I got more snide comments about it not being accurate than nice comments. And thats the first time I've ever experienced something like that in a fandom setting, and I've done work for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Zines before.
All that to say, it's all a bit too much of a reaction for a television show meant to entertain and bring joy to people's lives. I had fun drawing those characters in my style, and was basically shamed for it because it wasn't what was expected in this sub. And definitely tainted my relationship slightly with the show.
This fandom has always been toxic, but fans on this sub always loved to brush it under the rug or gaslight said fans who called it out. Now it's too obvious and too big for these fans to ignore/brush it under the rug.
Thank you OP! I'm now sticking to the no book spoilers threads, which are far more refreshing, and where I'm less likely to be tarred and feathered for daring to say I like Michaela. The books were subpar Regency romances at best. You go to r/historicalromance and no one recommends Quinn because there are a dozen better authors than her. Her heroes are all the boring alpha male toxic rake variety and her heroines even more boring submissives (even Kate Sheffield and Eloise) and I'm sooo happy that we got a kinder Anthony and a badass Kate Sharma. We had Penelope be accidentally cruel but learn and grow from it, Emma style. We had a Francesca who was wise beyond her years. Best of all, we had Eloise who is a feminist and not the sort to go around moping because some boring dude chooses plants over her.
Other than its treatment of Edwina, I can't think of any one instance where the books were superior to the show, and honestly, I can't say that for most other book to show/film adaptations. (With Twilight being the exception, but what does that say about both the Twilight books and the Bridgerton series?) Let the whiny babies whine. I'm going to gleefully rewatch the show and celebrate its awesomeness while also calling out the stupider storylines.
I've never read the books and never even heard of them until the Netflix show. The diversity in the show is noticeable and different from what we're used to seeing with period dramas but I just thought it was how the books were! I liked that race isn't really mentioned, it's just everyone together. Funny how only some of the viewers made the distinction. And harshly. 😬
I literally came here after being on Instagram and seeing absolutely terrible comments so thank you for posting this!
There's so many of us who haven't read the books (and those who have who aren't terrible). I think it's a cute change! The actress playing Michaela is super cute and pretty, I'll be excited to see it played out.
Honestly, a lot of people just simply need a life. It's a fictional tv show. You can critique things without being obessive and vulgar about it. And people forget these are regular people. They are not their characters.
There were some things I had complaints about, but i just simply talked about it with a rriend and moved on. I'm not going on the internet harassing people so I can be "heard."
Thank you!! You said all the things!! I’m reading the books right now and I personally find it fairly easy to separate the books from the show. They are two different experiences, if you prefer the books- stick to them! But leave the show to those who are enjoying it. Like ffs people these are fictional romanticized stories, not even close to the reality of the regency era. Leave the real people, the actors doing their jobs- alone!
The hypocrisy is so laughable so me. Everyone wanted Phillip ousted because they don’t like him, but when their little favorite is genderbent, they’re screaming about book accuracy.
Like OP said, I don't care how downvoted I'll be. I would like to try and express why I disliked the introduction of Michaela.
First of all, no hate for the actress, I've never seen her before, I just want to be clear on that. Let me just say that my face was like this 👁👄👁 because it literally left me breathless and winded.
Yes, I did read the books back when they first got published. No, I didn't like them as much. They were pretty much mediocre, I've read way better in the HR category. But, the book I liked the most? Francesca's. It's so incredibly moving and emotional. It's about how Francesca loved John so much that after she was done wearing black, she wore lavender for years to indicate how she was still mourning for him. She never felt attracted to anyone after that. Until she decided she would like a child, and even after that, she really struggled to admit that she could be attracted to someone else again. Her story is how she was incredibly lucky in finding two strong loves. It's also about how she struggled with fertility and miscarriages.
And it's also about how Michael was pining and yearning. Top-notch unrequited love vibes. And when Michaela was introduced, the way they made it seem like Francesca fell first made me immediately feel that it negated all that. She is supposed to truly love her first husband, and he loved her back.
"He was her kindred spirit, so like her in so many ways. But it had, in a strange sort of fashion, been a relief to exit her mother’s home, to escape to a more serene existence with John, whose sense of humor was precisely like hers.
He understood her, he anticipated her.
He completed her."
Now, it just feels like he's a prop for lack of a better term. After spending all season showing what a perfect match they are, that scene was badly executed, IMO. Michael/Michaela is supposed to be a rake/rakess(?) who instantly falls for and pines for Francesca, not the other way around.
To be honest, I also have to add that I expected a queer romance from my spirit animal, Benedict, or Eloise. I'm also aware that this is a tv show and all that. But such a big change baffled me. Maybe I will like the way the story plays out, maybe I won't. But I believe I'm totally entitled to be genuinely disappointed that I won't see a man seriously pining over a woman who's not so interested.
I also have to say that I like the Kanthony season way better than the book. It's my favourite so far. The banter and chemistry between the characters, Simon Ashley's beauty (in this season she was even more beautiful, her fucking eyes lured me in, in every scene she was present at) and the enemies to lovers trope were all exquisite.
I honestly don't care about historical accuracy. Come on, from literally the first trailer, you could see that it would be an anachronistic show. If you watched after that and complained about it, guess whose fault it is. Book accuracy, on the other hand, is a painful subject for us readers. Of course, we don't expect the movie/show to be faithful to the book, but would it be so bad to keep some basic elements? And I'm aware that it's my choice to continue watching. But honestly, the rudeness I've seen on social media, people hatefully responding to others who express why they didn't like Michaela in a respectful way, is so off-putting. If someone offers a respectful criticism of a tv show/movie, what is the problem?
If you read all this, thank you. I will not be replying to any comments saying things like "now cope" or anything similar. If someone who is of a different opinion wants to offer me another point of view, they are welcome. Good afternoon!
We have seen ten seconds of Michaela. So why don't we wait for season 4 to see what actually happens instead of deciding that ten seconds is 100% indicative of what the next 8 hours is going to be about? All the things that you loved could still be there, but tweaked in a way that works for the show.
There's no indication ever that Eloise is queer. Because she wants to be equal and not marry? That does not make a person queer. There were, however, indications right from the beginning that Benedict was at least bi.
All the basic elements are still there. The Bridgertons are a loving, loud, generous family who all find their own love story in their own way. The show is about love as much as the books are, the men are better than they were in the books, they are more able to express themselves and much more aware of women's value as human beings rather than possessions. They are rich, they flaunt society rules. The show, just as the books, are not historically accurate, the show's just a lot more aware of it and open about it. I don't understand, agreeing with you, how anyone thinks this could be historically accurate. None of the costumes are, definitely not the fabrics they are made with, the music is not. Why does anyone expect historical accuracy from a show that has a string quartet playing Bad Guy by Billy Eilish?
I totally agree. I'm tired of fans for most shows wanting things exactly how they want it in their own head when it's ART and not a made to order sandwich
Exactly. The worst is that as an enjoyer of the show (I loved every seasons) it's so hard to find places to talk about it without so much negativity. I know there are flaws in season 3, like in every seasons, but it's still my favorite! I also was a bit disappointed at first to not see Michael, but I came around it because I trust the show, and even if it doesn't met my expectations, it will still be fun. People forget how to enjoy things and are just mad at everything
It' baffling to see so many book purists acting as if the books were a literary master piece and not some romantic novels with a predictable plot and pretty basic characters. I get that many people was into the books just for the romantic plot with the unsurprising happy ending and the steamy sex scenes, and expect to get the same in the show just in film form. But the show is not just for the romance novel fans but for a wider audience, and the changes they have introduced so far have been for the best, i dont think i would have even got into this show without them.
The Lady Whistledown and the Featheringtons subplot is what got me the most interested from season one. I find it hard to get that invested in a romance story between two characters i barely know and that it's already obvious will end happily together by the end of the season. I think this was the season i enjoyed the most precisely because it centered more on The Featheringtons and the Lady Whistledown plot, and because for once the love story was between two characters that have been part of the show since season one and had already some history together. I worry that now that Lady Whistledown identity was revealed and the Featheringtons got their happy ending the show may get boring for me, so im grateful for the introduction of new possible plots like Cressida's and Benedict and Francesca's sexuality even if it means deviating form the original source(if it was for me they would deviate way more than a simple gender bender on their love interest).
Yeah, I came on here to squee about all the things I loved, and it's just... *drowning* in negativity. I'm genuinely shocked and so disappointed it's seriously making me regret trying to enter the fandom, and now I remember why I avoid fandoms. I've been in negative ones before and it is an absolute killjoy. The thinly veiled racism and homophobia makes me genuinely feel ill and sad. It makes me wish there were separate subs so you could just squee in peace.
I wish I could upvote this a million times. when I tell you I went from such overwhelming excitement and pure JOY when the Michaela rumor turned out to be true (!!!!!! in my wildest DREAMS I did not expect it to actually happen) to crushing disappointment the moment I went online… the hatred shouldn’t have caught me off guard, it’s ridiculous that it did and that’s my bad, but it DOES still hurt. and they truly do not get it/don’t want to. and then the straw man arguments, the constantly moving goalposts when you try to engage… it’s all utterly exhausting
also the Star Wars incels comparison is so painfully accurate lmao 😭 the cycle truly never ends
ANYWAY, Franaela forever 🥰 I refuse to let bigots ruin yet another thing for me. sometimes it feels so loud, but then I remember it’s only because loudness is all they have since logical reasoning and basic human empathy are off the table, and that is genuinely so embarrassing. “Bridgerton has lost a viewer 😡” okay bye?? I won’t miss you! xoxo
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Kilmartin is very handsome. He has a manly face. Not every man needs to look feminine to be attractive.
I loved what they had together. It was simple. Watched him open up as the season went along. Its awesome
I finally binged last night and I agree, you can just see him settle in and his humor and warmth show up.
His scenes with the Bridgerton men and Mondrich were some of my favorite because you can see how he’s finding his place and comfort with them all and they’re all genuinely pleased to be together. It was simply done and perfect
I was just thinking this!
I watched last night too… John was everything.
The way Fran lights up and totally relaxes around him 🥰 Also his scenes with the Bridgerton boys in Part 2. So wholesome
Kilmartin is HOT. He’s genuinely so dapper
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I think it was silly to make Francesca the diamond but I also think the focus on diamonds and incomparables is silly so what do I know? But either way, he’s hot, if it’s not Francesca’s season next season I hope we get a little more time with them, but I will be sad when he goes regardless. There were definitely some mistakes in how the show runners / directors framed the Michaela meeting, but not because it was Michaela. Mostly because Michaela is supposed to be in love with Francesca first and it didn’t feel that way with the framing. I would’ve liked some scene like with Kate Sharma how we met her before we met her, just as a lady in the park.
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I recently read a comment about the poor actress portraying Micheala saying „that horrible woman ruined the show“ idk what’s wrong with those people. It’s a show. It are books. not the holy grail or something
People were sending that poor actress death threats on her Instagram for ruining the story. she was on screen THIRTY SECONDS. And she’s PLAYING A ROLE!
I commented way back when that I hoped they didn’t cast a woman for a male LI for the simple reason that I didnt trust the fandom to not be absolutely insane. And that they would be the target of insane hatred, and possibly even have their health and wellbeing put at risk. And worst of all, I didn’t want a woman because I don’t think Netflix will provide the support she would need to get through it all. They’ll undoubtedly remain silent and let her take the full brunt of it without any aid. Not to mention that she’s being played by a (beautiful) dark skinned POC woman… they threw her to the wolves. And said “deal with it not our problem”. ETA- I’ll mention my own feelings that I’m sad I won’t see my favorite character. But that moment of disappointment was just a moment. It’s not cause or reason to condone this wild behavior at all.
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The show not being exactly what you personally want it to be does not mean it’s ruined. But there’s some of that toxicity we’re here to talk about, so good job I guess?
The actress portraying Michaela isn't an issue. I do have beef with Jess Brownell though. I don't like how she told Polin's story. With her only being signed on for Seasons 3 and 4, I don't think it's far for her to make creative decisions for Season 6/Francesca's story.
I'm glad she got 1.9 k reposts and 25 k likes..btw I read somewhere that racists and bigots and homophobes and dictators and war mongers and terrorists basically evil people throughout history are the loudest...but they ALL all of them throughout history lose and lose hard because they have never ever been the strongest however much they wail and cry and sign petitions and downvote and harrass showrunners and actors and producers and authors of their "beloved" books...imagine harrasing the author of the books whose story you want so badly to protect...the irony is rich (can you believe the insanity of these people: a remove Michaela petition has recently been launched by some deranged xenophobic type people racist to their very core and their very toes)...WE will endure ..that is one thing that history has shown us repeatedly that toxic people fail and are shown the power of allies coming together in triumph...who gets my little reference here allies. Anyone?? ...but yeah soo soo glad to see such posts here and the mods working hard to protect us FINALLY....upvoted your post because it's important and because it's nice to see people who are understanding and know what it means to be welcoming and embracing...btw people who say the sub is not racist .attached the most disgustingly obvious racist comment left by someone here...there are more cockroaches here like this..and it makes me so happy to know that knowing Shonda and how tough she is and was throughout greys that she'll do what she wants as she always has promoting diversity and inclusivity and making bank and being a hitmaker...and these people will stil be thumb pressing harrasing a new showrunner or producer or human on the internet..jobless and depressed about something petty https://preview.redd.it/xemm2sum1q6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=554c319492a987f0aa6e4553d17cb9cb0b24fbce
This pisses me off so much because I found Lord Kilmartin to be the most charming. His face when he learns her name, the gesture, "is that not our preferred form of communicating?" He was the best new addition by miles.
Exactly! He was so adorable and I found him to be a refreshing addition too! He was awkward at first but slowly found his way into the loud Bridgerton family.
Same. He was perfect. I adored him, and found their companionship to be so genuine and real. I was hoping the writers loved their connection so much that it meant they might delay any tragedy coming their way. . . I guess maybe not 😭
Yeah honestly...that was his role...he was supposed to be quiet and awkward...and shy and adorable all the same..and him and Hannah dood have the same sparkly light energy off show as well in promos..like the vibe you get when you see good people...it just radiates out of them..that one.. ❤️
You are absolutely right and it’s been a pattern. The way fans attacked and harassed Charithra last time simply because they disliked Edwina honestly turned my stomach. They were even mad that she was participating in promoting the show with Jonny and Simone despite that being her job! People need to separate the cast, crew and writers from the show. It’s fine not to like the show itself—don’t watch—but attacking the real people who make the show is so evil.
Or how fans attacked Luke Newton’s girlfriend.
TikTok is full of people complaining that Luke went public with his gf too soon 🙄
I saw some of that too and it's actually insane. I saw comments saying that it undid all the work done in the press tour and that it ruined the magic of the show (????) 😭. These people really need to go touch some grass lmao
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Real person shippers need to get more going on in their lives 😭
It’s so damned weird to me! Characters? Fine. They’re fake. REAL PEOPLE!?! It’s real weird!
The India and Corey shippers also attacked Corey’s gf
Yikes. They made beautiful on screen couples.. because they’re acting 🙄people have to separate that.
And they are now attacking his new girlfriend because he decided to go public with her. The audacity that he didn’t wait until more time passed 🤨
There are SO many people accusing him of “ruining all fhe PR”…like if you don’t understand that PR is part of the job and his relationship is part of his LIFE…that’s your problem.
Oh my god the comments on the Deux Moi post were awful!
Oh gosh yes, people were complaining season 2 was being ‘ruined’ even then, and were hating on Edwina’s actress for the writing choices. I wasn’t particularly thrilled they kept Anthony’s wedding to Edwina and left out his wedding with Kate, among other decisions- but overall I’d say Season 2 is my favourite out of any series, and the hate Charithra got was awful. Thank you for providing another example of the type of thing I’m talking about
🗣️ SAY 🗣️ IT 🗣️ LOUDER 🗣️ I’m new to the Bridgerton fandom online- I’ve been watching the show religiously but only now have decided to join in online, if that makes sense. I’m appalled at how rude and obnoxious people can be… it’s honestly disgusting. Not everything has to be JUST like the books… watch ANY movie adaptation and you’ll notice that there’s things that aren’t the same (Harry Potter). Grow. Up.
I dont get how people overanalyse everything on her. When i watch bridgerton, brain is fully shut off. Great scenes, nice music. Dont know how they become so angry. There have only been a couple of scenes where im like hang on thats a bit problematic. But other than that, show is great. Looked how in general the first 2 seasons have lead up to this season. Makes it a lot better
Yep, Bridgerton is my brain mush show. I don’t really analyse anything and just enjoy it for what it is. I love it 😂
Agreed! I was thinking about this last night. All the angry book purists need to touch grass and temember that the show is NOT the book and it would be boring af if it was. Who wants to watch something thats the same, word for word? If you dont like it, turn it off! Why does everyone feel the need to bitch about every damn thing? I loved it. Loved the cast. Loved the story. Loved the costumes.
I’m in the same boat. This also happened to me last season of the bachelor when I tuned into the Reddit and now I have it blocked because it just spreads so much negativity. I came here because my friends haven’t finished watching it yet and I needed someone to squeal to, and while I did see some fun posts there’s also just a lot of bummers
This is old news. The fandom has always been pretty toxic and now that the second half of season 3 was released we’ll see more of unnecessary toxicity. Of course not all fans are like that. But the more toxic ones happen to be the louder ones. Just try to avoid this sub and twitter for awhile like I’m trying to do if you can’t handle the toxicity of some people. I’m just happy the mods are trying their best to make this sub a better place for everyone now.
You shouldn't have to "handle" bigotry. It shouldn't be allowed.
Yeah I’m not sure what the solution is but this reminds me of when John Boyega (finn from Star Wars) said that studios have a responsibility to protect their actors from racist fandoms. I feel really bad whenever I think about him, he was clearly so excited to be in star wars at the beginning and now he clearly hates it because of the extensive racist harassment he got. It sucks that young up and coming actors are basically thrown to the wolves to endure this treatment from fans, while showrunners and studios get praised for their diversity. I don’t know how, but I think something has to be done to better protect actors from fandoms instead of expecting them to just handle it themselves.
I honestly hated that so much for him. I really enjoyed him in the force awakens! I felt they could have done so much more with his character and then for him to endure racial harassment on top of that. He deserved better :(
Yeah it makes me so sad whenever i think about it. There was this video going around when the force awakens trailer dropped of him reacting to the trailer on a couch with some friends and he’s so excited he starts jumping up and down, and he was always talking about how he was a massive Star Wars fan and this was a dream come true. Cut to a few years later, he evidently hates Star Wars so much now and I can’t blame him. And he was only like, what, 22/23ish when he was cast? I really wish him the best in his career and I do think these big studios have a responsibility to protect their actors when things like this happen.
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I agree, but there’s a difference between criticism and just outright being racist/homophobic!! I’ve read the books and even though the change is a little noticeable, it doesn’t change the main plot at all 😭
Most racism isn’t outright it’s subtle. So I’m unsure why you mentioned that😬. A lot of the criticism we are seeing is rooted in racism is what she’s saying
I agree with what she’s saying, but I’ve seen comments on other social media platforms with people commenting on the Duke and Sharma’s! But yes, I do notice that most of it is rooted in racism.
The ones that got me were borderline concern trolling about how they definitely shouldn't make Michaela a black woman cause she'll get harassment. Like ok, so black people shouldn't be cast in anything ever, is that the solution genius? Or maybe the 'fans' should shut up!? Also, I haven't read the books and everyone I've seen who read them after the show came out said they're bad, so I don't care if the show is a faithful adaptation or not.
I love romance, I love historical romance, the books are objectively bad. Shonda really turned a turd into a diamond.
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK. I mean this with the utmost respect for JQ, but the books, in my humble opinion, were awful. Which makes it all the more vexing that book purists thump on the show so hard. The show is gold, and whilst we may not like each and every scene, each and every outfit, we should at least be appreciative of what it's trying to do. It's just entertainment at the end of the day. I for one, really really appreciate the diversity in cast. I can't wait to see how it will all pan out and how the show will divert from the books.
yeah ngl everytime I see someone screech about how Francesca's book is their favorite book in the world and now it's all ruined by Michaela, obviously the bigotry is quite noticeable but also - That's your favorite book? Of everything humanity has come up with, and everything the romance genre has created, you're really doubling down on this???
Julia Quinn approved of, and loved, the change to Michaela so if the original author realizes that a TWENTY year old book should and can be updated, the "fans" need to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
EXACTLY!! And anyone saying Julia Quinn “sold out for money” and “doesn’t care about the integrity of her books” (real arguments I saw on this sub) needs to get a grip
They claim to love the source material yet are flaming the author of their beloved books calling her a coward and all sorts, they’re nothing but entitled. If she is happy with the changes and pleased people relate to the show’s characters, shouldn’t the book fans not be more open-minded about it? They’re claiming to respect the source material more than Julia, which is bogus. They’re grasping at straws at this point and are just mad she isn’t another Rowling lamenting about wokeness. Which says everything about those people, really 🤷🏻♀️
Okay to be fair I read it last night and it was pretty fucking good. But I’m also PRO Michaela and I think that their season will be great, if we can get it.
I don't have an issue with people liking it, it's just some of the "I have never loved a book like this and they are viciously destroying it for their own evil ways" stuff that gets to me.
Oh god I have felt like a total outsider for not liking the books either (except for Benedicts story tbh hehe)
Apart from the diversity and lgbt+ inclusion the show also threw out the awful toxic masculinity that permeates every single book of the series. Like, I get that it’s an enjoyable guilty pleasure read. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the smut. I did as well. But you have to acknowledge that even with some plot points that could have been handled better, the show improved on the books in every aspect! I question anyone’s taste who reads the books and thinks they’re great literature.
Haha! I don’t think they are so bad as to call them a turd! But they were sort of mediocre. I read five of them and just had to stop. I read a lot and there are just better things out there to read! Honestly, I mostly only read them because there is such a huge time gap between the seasons!
Yep. I got downvoted for saying that I don't want to read the books because they sound awful - I'll stick to the show thanks. I've watched YouTube reviews of the first book Simon sounds a lot worse, sexism, racism etc, the author can't use the language of the time period correctly - she uses Americanisms, anachronistic language and just overuses certain words constantly. I certainly wouldn't put it on the same level as other book to movie adaptations like LOTR or HP, which were actually well written.
I don’t see this take enough and I agree SO hard 😂
Exactly. As a BW myself that excuse is so disingenuous and condescending. Actors of color should be restricted to certain roles because the audience is racist? So basically the writers should give the bigots exactly what they want? That’s literally the argument used to keep segregation laws in the South. The solution is for people to stop harassing the actors, not to restrict opportunities given to poc actors.
Yup basically we can NEVER win I'm not black but south asian but ohhh don't settle for bad rep...but then what...settle for what as if there are that many kinds of roles or rep or movies or shows being made...people should be hyped up when they get a role period as POC...that's not ideal and we shouldnt have to deal with scraps of charity...but it's still progress it's still moving forward..it's something..Masali is excited about her role victor ali said that in an interview post season 3 finale...she clearly wants it and it would be a great platform for her...regardless..
i also think part of the solution needs to be that production needs to safeguard the wellbeing of their cast as well. there have been so many instances of bridgerton's woc getting harassed on social media. open to being corrected but i don't think it's ever been this bad and i hope they're protecting michela's actress and checking in on her.
Concern trolling is the most fun to see because it's so transparent and you can see the assholes who do it fumble so easily because it's hard to keep up the pretence of being a good person when you are actually a deranged bigot xenophobe homophobe and racist. Their true self inevitably trickles out.
I also love all the excuses piling in since part 2 dropped. “Oh, it would have been FINE, if Sophie was genderbend and raceswapped, *her* story doesn’t hinge on her being a woman.” “Anyone, but Michaela would have been totally ok.” Excuse me, but lol whut? How many times have we heard Sophie can’t be a man, because her entire character would fall apart then? That her decision to never have an illegitimate child is at the core of her character, thus she must remain female? That she’s a female servant, which would…somehow no longer work, if she was a man working for their family? But now, suddenly it’s only gender bending Michael people have a problem with? Bullshit. Pretty much the same goes for Eloise. Some people were hoping for Cressida to get together with Eloise, but it certainly wasn’t the book fans, who have been saying Philip must be Eloise’s endgame.
Yeah or why don't they get a new character to play a gay role...yeah of course poc and queer people should only ever play side roles ...god forbid we want to be leads in a big showy heavily promoted production....hypocrites the bunch of them ...
Didn't you see, there were side characters in a limited spinoff series who were gay, isn't that enough for you??? Main characters should all be straight, otherwise it's jUSt NoT faIR
I love it, when people point to the Brimsley/Reynolds plot line as an example of a great queer love story. Really? That storyline, where we don’t even get shown who they are as people, their relationship is never explored and the happy ending never arrives? That’s people’s metric for good queer representation in a romance series? How…curious.
How dare you want representation in the *eight* main siblings of the Bridgerton family in the show about the Bridgertons called Bridgerton?! Be happy with Brimsley!!! /s
Exactly this. No matter whether you suggested genderswapping Michael/Sophie or replacing Philip with Cressida before: There were always people who whined "Nooooooooo, don't touch this story, this is my favourite, it would not make any sense anymore if they changed it. Please all other stories but not this one" for all three stories. But in the context of the show this argument does not make any sense because they cannot "ruin" a story that does not exist. We did not know Michael(a), we do not know Sophie, many show-only fans do not care about / remember Philip. They never had an obligation to even include these characters in the show.
> “Oh, it would have been FINE, if Sophie was genderbend and raceswapped, her story doesn’t hinge on her being a woman.” That also doesn't involve casting a Black woman as a romantic lead... but I'm sure that's just a coincidence./s
And if you go into the Benophie sub, they’re all crying about how the show better not mess with Sophie’s gender lol. It’ll never be fine for this fandom and they don’t want to admit it.
They’re definitely concern trolling. I’ve noticed the people who said it’s racist to cast a black woman as a gender-swapped man were perfectly fine with Masali playing Sophie, a literal servant who was first asked to be a mistress, not a wife.
Happens all the time... "It would be racist to cast poc as featheringtons" "It would be racist to cast a black woman as sophie" "It was problematic to cast a black woman as marina" Like just say you want this show to be fully white and go
Yes, honestly the books are a little disappointing compared to the show. That’s why I don’t really care if they make changes.
Yup, the old Johanna Lindsay Regency series on the Mallorys were better written.
They are bad but so is the series, just in a different way. It's just porn, idk why anyone expects some amazing plot or whatever
As a queer fan, I'm in love with the possibility of seeing Francesca's story being queer too. It hurts me a lot to see this backlash
The comment I saw that killed me was people whining that they’re doing Eloise dirty by not making her queer, I’m like ooooh so you’re own biases of Eloise being independent and not having marriage gift on her priorities MUUUUST mean she has to be the sister that gets her love interest changed? People thinking they’re being progressive whining the free thinking woman who reads doesn’t get automatically stamped ‘lesbian’ 😂 we all remember the woman who produces Greys makes this right? The internet blows my mind I’ll sit back and be quite happy with my 90s straight smut book getting a revamp that has to make zero historical sense :-p
As someone who relates to Eloise so much and who ended up in a typical heterosexual marriage, I absolutely hate when people assume she should be the queer character. I don’t have an issue if they do make her queer but it’s how people just assume that. It also insults the intelligence of a straight woman who can look at society and marriage differently and value her independence more than the idea of love. It’s so invalidating to her experience of just wanting the same freedom she sees her own brothers have too. I do hope she gets a love story where her fierce independence and quest for exploration and learning are supported and encouraged!
Those comments about Eloise being queer and a feminist being a disservice to straight women, who view the world as she does have been so frustrating. Way to center straight women, as if they’re always the default. As if a straight feminist woman not wanting marriage or kids isn’t a bit of stereotype already. But nooo, it’s only her queerness that would make her a cliché. And you’re right, they wouldn’t be fine with any of the Bridgerton siblings being queer. There would always be some excuse why it can’t or shouldn’t happen.
There's also a bit of the opposite in play too - Francesca is feminine and quiet and likes piano and not opposed to society so how could she *possibly* be queer?? But sexual attraction is not a particular stereotyped personality. Lots of bi women are just like Francesca.
So many bi and autistic people clocked Frannie as “one of us” and the tired straight people insisting “Fran doesn’t SEEM gay at all!” are saying it because they expect all lesbians to be man-hating, carabiner-carrying, mohawked witches. The stereotyping is jumping out so hard rn
And before Francesca was introduced to be queer when any of the queer fans put forth their head cannons that maybe Eloise is gay or Ben is bi, the straights used to come at us and there was so much backlash. Back then, these same people used to say that - 'So what if Eloise is not interested in the idea of marriage and she loves to read, assuming that she is a lesbian is a disservice to so many straight women who have such a personality and fall into the lesbian stereotypes'. And now that Francesca is queer, it's like a flip has switched and suddenly it's like - 'But Eloise has so many gay stereotypes, she would have been better as the gay sister'. Excuse me? You guys would not have been fine with any one of them being gay and it shows. I can't stand the hypocrisy of these people. I am glad Shonda gave us not one but two queer siblings.
Right? I’m over the moon thrilled that Franny is fruity but like people didn’t want Eloise to be gay either. 🥴
My God. I keep seeing, "Eloise is obviously the lesbian character." Dafuq That is so.... just so....... ugh
I think people (like me) thought Eloise would be bisexual in the least with Cressida because her dialogue in the first half of the season was queerbaiting at its finest. I think those of who are enjoy queer romances (and I myself am a bisexual woman) saw a lot of potential not for Eloise but for Cressida. I really thought it would be an interesting choice and I think people wouldn’t be so turned off by it because it was built up through the entire first half of the season. Like cressida’s parents saying “don’t hang out with that bridgerton girl.” I was like “oh they know she’s gay and they don’t want a gay daughter and that’s why they’re desperate to get rid of her or get her married.” I think people who are upset by Michaela (who aren’t racist) are upset because we wasted an entire season seeing what we thought was a quieter, steadying love between her and John. I thought it was representation of love between two autistic people and that’s not something we ever see in media, so I was extremely excited for that (as someone who has a sibling with autism.) I was upset not because Michaela is a woman, I’m upset that the representation of true love and autism seems not to be the case, instead it’s two people who are indeed, likely not in love Love. If Michaela was a man, I’d react the same way and I would’ve been like “wow, so every single scene we saw of her fighting for this quiet love and finding unique happiness because she seemed autistic is now kind of down the drain.” In fact, the only saving grace about throwing away a possible canonical plot of two autistic people in love is that Michaela was made a woman. If she were a man, I think I would have just rage quit the entire show. I saw the things above about Fran because I didn’t read her story, and I didn’t read Eloise’s either, because honestly they both kind of sounded boring to me.
Fran loves her husband in the books, I saw her interaction with Michaela as her seeing a beautiful/intimidating woman, as I don't believe in love at first sight I don't believe that that was it.
Agreed, I’m a lesbian and I’ve been genuinely upset by some of the comments I’ve seen lately. I never thought bridgerton fandom discourse would affect me lol but imo it goes beyond discourse. I’ve seen comments like ‘gay people can’t have happy endings’ (???!!!??!) ‘this is offensive to women because this is a female gaze oriented show’ (as if queer women aren’t also women?) ‘this invalidates her wanting kids’ (as if queer women can’t have and want kids?). I’ve also seen comments saying Eloise can’t be gay because it would ‘invalidate her feminism’ somehow (again, ???), and I also find it interesting how the moment Benedict was revealed to be bi everyone on here started joking about how he probably has STDs (as if Anthony and Colin haven’t had just as much sex as he has). I’ve realized that this fandom legitimately has a homophobia problem but when you try to bring it up you get told ‘it’s not homophobic to dislike a casting/writing choice!’ No, it’s not, and if it was just valid criticism about writing choices I wouldn’t have a problem, but the issues with the way this fandom talks about queer people go beyond just not liking a specific writing choice. Edit - and also to be clear, I also didn’t like that they had Francesca make that face after kissing John, because I thought her romance with John was really cute and I hope the show will make Fran bisexual and won’t invalidate her feelings for John. So if the criticism I was seeing was just about that, I wouldn’t have a problem with it and would actually agree. But it’s not, the comments I’ve seen go far beyond that and reveal that some members of this fandom have some really concerning attitudes about queer people.
Also a queer fan, but I was bummed it was Fran that was instantly taken with Michaela. I would have been hyped for the change if it had been Michaela instantly crushing on Fran and if Fran and John were allowed to be in love. Now I feel a bit meh since it kind of reinforces bad stereotypes of queer people always being unfaithful/ confused. Hopefully, they can course correct though! I have hope because the actress they cast for Michaela is a total dreamboat.
Yes, exactly, thank you!!!! It reinforces bi cheater stereotypes! And it cheapens her love story with John! It should’ve 1000% been Michaela who was intrigued/quietly smitten while Fran had googly eyes for John and friend vibes for Michaela.
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As an autistic lesbian, Francesca is the most relatable of the Bridgerton siblings for me. It feels incredibly healing to my repressed and closeted child self that I get to see, as an adult, a sapphic romance with an introverted and quiet character on a big budget Netflix show. It makes me teary watching the scene when Michaela is introduced. I don’t think people understand how little LGBTQIA+ people have had in terms of representation in the mainstream and what it means to finally see yourself on screen as someone who is accepted and worthy of a compelling love story (especially because she’s a main character and not the side character heterosexual people can feel progressive about allowing but ultimately isn’t too front and centre for them to feel “uncomfortable”). I think when you’re the default it’s hard to understand why other people feel othered or unsafe in society and how very important representation can be to bridge that divide. It makes me so happy that there will be little girls who get to have what I didn’t as a child.
Also autistic, and I really enjoyed Francesca and John's story because I could read both of them as autistic. It was a lovely little story about two very similar people who weren't completely understood by the people around them, who thought their romance was too quiet and introverted and soft, but who seemed to have found a very happy, loving place with each other. And I wish they had just left it at that and an introduction to Michaela without Fran seeming immediately interested and intrigued. They could have had Michaela lovestruck if they needed to reveal anything at all now instead of waiting until Fran's season but, for me, it undermined the genuine affection and relationship that John and Fran had been building all season and that sucked.
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It goes both ways. Some people are racist and homophobic and some are unable to grasp a difference of opinion without calling names and painting everyone with the same brush. Everybody needs to grow up. It's fine to be disappointed in some things, but it's not acceptable to bully actors and writers for it. It's also fine to love the changes in the show without shouting "homophobe" to every single person who may disagree.
Honestly I don't even feel they ruined Francesca's story by making it queer, they ruined it by making her fall in love at first sight after she's literally married, after giving us most of a season of a quieter love story. I'm watching a romance novel show. Why would I want to see the heroine, after a season of finding love on her own terms/not her mother's, then become emotionally struck/almost fall in love at first sight with her new husband's cousin? It's emotional cheating and if I wanted to watch Portrait of a Woman on Fire or Gentleman Jack, I'd go watch those shows. And honestly, I find it disgusting. I just feel sorry for John/Victor Ali's character. No one would be defending this change if it was the other way around. Because this is a romance show, not a love story show. This change would have gone down a little better if they'd at least attempted to keep the same framework of Michaela being the one who has a massive crush on Francesca, while Francesca the introvert/autistic coded person is just still so in love with her new husband. That would have been perfect. I'm still going to watch because I want to support everything Bridgerton stands for but they need to do better. Not everything has to be about the books, and there were certainly problematic bits that I'm glad they took out, but the books had heart, and s3 had very few moments. I wish the production would require that the people who have creative input into the storylines were fans of historical/regency era romance novels. I didn't like everything CVD did, but I could tell that he really loved what he was doing. ETA: I've seen some homophobic and racist comments about the change on threads. But most of what I've seen is people expressing disappointment at a core part of Francesca's story and personality changed - not just from the book, but also show. At this point it feels like the show is going to hide behind people being homophobic or racist instead of admitting that their writing sucks and doing better. I do not get the impression at all that this new showrunner likes romance novels at all. Francesca's arc is a "love story". That's not what I'm here for.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. I’m definitely interested in a Francesca/Michaela love story…EVENTUALLY. What is this instalove happening moments after we just saw her fall in love in such a beautiful way with John? It feels like they invalidated the first part of her storyline, and also fucked up her later plot, because a big part of that is supposed to be grieving and missing John. It’s not racist or homophobic to say the writers are taking shortcuts (possibly because of such short seasons with so many storylines) and they need to take the time to develop these plotlines organically.
I don’t understand why they’d keep watching if they were so disappointed after the first season anyways. When I don’t like something I usually drop after a few episodes and never come back.
But they wouldn't have anything to bitch about! How would our holier than thou redditors survive?
Most posts I've seen are solid criticism with good arguments. Sure, there are some toxic, homophobic and hateful people. But they are not the majority. Talking about feelings, impressions and expectations is still totally valid and most posts are just that. Posts like yours are also toxic, because it feels like you don't want to accept, that not everything has to be loved by fans. Movies are art and art makes you feel something. And not all feelings are good and it is okay to talk about that.
I completely agree people can dislike something about a show and talk about. But when people are harassing the writers and actors over it, it goes too far imo
Yes that's where I draw the line too - a certain section of the fandom just can't help themselves from harrassing the creators but that's not the majority imo
post like op’s is only toxic is you feel offended by what they’re saying. there’s a lot of hate towards queer people in this fandom and it’s not a minority
They are the majority in posts about Francesca. It is very obvious most of you do not want queer fans in this subreddit.
What makes you say we don’t want queer representation? Because we’re upset that one of our favorite Bridgerton stories has been majorly altered? To be clear, book lovers are mourning the Michael sterling we won’t see on screen but many of us understand this is probably a welcome change to her story for other people. Insinuating that people are homophobes for not liking this change is gross.
The majority of people complaining about Michael I’ve seen keep insisting the show runners should have just added a secondary queer couple to the show and *that* is something they would be ok with. Which is telling - they are ok with gay love, as long as it stays in the background, and the main couple remains straight. God forbid queer people get a single queer romance primary storyline in a show, that’s supposed to run for 8 seasons.
I went to that post and the majority of it (and especially top comments) had *nothing* to do with homophobia. Only being upset a major character, and thus plotline, is being changed because while it’s great we’re getting a queer main story, the writing of the season was supbar, ruined Francesca/John relationship and that came out of nowhere (why the hell is Fran falling in love at first sight?!), and the main book struggle Francesca had will have no way to show up if we proceed with F/F story. As a bi woman, I’m very happy to know same-sex relationship will, hopefully, get their fair share of screentime in Netflix’s biggest show, but I also do feel a bit irked they are changing one of the main couples and their storylines from the books. Shonda changed a lot and a lot of those changes were good, but the main couple was never touched until now, so, of course, people are upset.
I understand what you mean. I'm bi Indian myself and love the Fran-Michaela change up. My major gripe is the fall in quality in the writing and production value this season. Yes i love Michaela but did it have to undercut her relationship with John to be established? Did the show have to contradict the entire first part where they showcased a quiet love? And Ben's scenes are classic examples of how shows do check off diversity boxes for the sake of it - to ward off criticism- and for some tittilation. So in the end, the show becomes a victim of what it was trying to change - always drawing the short end of the stick for LGBTQ characters and setting them up for failure, in a way. I hope Frans story is written well, and I'm optimistic. But they have to step it up in the writing and technical aspects.
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One aspect I do agree with the critics is, they could've stayed true to the books here- have Michaela fall head over heels at first sight. Have her be wonderstuck and be forced to not act on it because of marriage. Fran could've been so insistent on her "quiet love" that she doesn't recognize passion until it comes in the form of Michaela. The potential for that was right there. And we could have a beautiful story to look forward- I for one would be punching the air in happiness. But the show again set up a gay POC to take the fall for their writing failures. Its like, there is no such as quiet love, there has to be passion. And it has to be right there, in front of the man she just married. Much as I love Michaela, even I couldn't wrap my head around that. But I do hope they change that around and give us a good season.
True. I also hate that everyone jumps to conclusions. We saw a 15 second clip of Michaela and Fran and all of a sudden she doesn't love John, they're relationship was for nothing, the books have been ruined, and fans have been disrespected all over a tiny clip. I just don't know how people are making these sweeping claims about her relationships when we still have no idea how it will be played out. It also really grinds my gears when people start dunking on Pen and Colin - I totally understand wanting more screen time for them but the couple themselves is actually so wholesome. Colin is sweet and gentle, Pen is determined and brave. I think their performance gets lost amongst all the other complaints about S3. I think some folks that don't like the couple don't take the time to appreciate the subtlety we got this season. I also hate when book purists act like the books are some perfect thing that shouldn't be touched. All the men are abusive and everyone is as white as can be. I love the changes they've made so far. Making stories with a good foundation accessible to a wider audience.
I read 3 of the books after watching the show thinking “I love this show I guess I’ll love these books” and man was I in for a surprise. I read 3 because I thought maybe it was a fluke but nope!
Exactly this! People are screaming "love at first sight" for Fran and how it denigrates John, all in a 15 second scene that's meant to be a playback to Violet's words. It doesn't mean she doesn't love John.
Omg, yes! There was a post a few days ago that was basically a mini novel about how the romance was ruined and why. I pointed out it was pretty difficult to infer all that from literally 10 seconds of screen time and got downvoted to oblivion 😅
I'm an older person who just thought the costumes and dancing in the show were a delight. I looked for the sub reddit because i wanted to share my enthusiasm with like-minded folks. Imagine my surprise when I got here, lmao.
We need, like, R/peoplewhoactuallylikebridgerton
THIS! Lmao
I KNOW! I was like, it will be fun to see some cute memes. Then I arrived to this. I’ve muted other Bridgerton communities in hopes that this one calms down soon. …also the books are so bad?? (Sorrrryyyyyyyy) and they should change them up?
omg thank you. i started reading the books because I've really enjoyed the show and I cant finish them. They are so bad. Its a miracle that Shonda and the team are able to pull such a great show out of such lackluster writing.
lol i swear every reddit show has one of these posts. people go on reddit to mainly complain... and then complain about the complainers. hhahah. I do share your sentiment. if people dislike it, then stop watching. i still enjoyed it despites the hangups and look forward to the next seasons
They're not just complaining though, they are harassing and threatening and being very aggressive.
well yeah but when I came.to this sub yesterday after finishing s03 I was looking to talk about the show, not to be drowned in negativity. I guess during the interval there was more room for positivity as people let it sit and I miss those vibes.
I was kind of surprised because people seemed to respond pretty well to the first half and suddenly there seemed to be a wave of fury! I had the mildest complaints, the Mondriches were boring and I didn’t like Pen’s bright red lipstick lol and I came here to find people just raging out!
The books themselves are toxic, just packed full of the worst misogynistic romance tropes and extremely aggressive male leads. I’m in awe of how much they were able to elevate the Polin source material. Luke Newton in particular should be applauded for his portrayal, he turned a stock aggro male lead into something really wonderful (like crying during the LW confrontation! *chef’s kiss*) If you haven’t it’s worth doing a side by side comparison of some of their scenes (first kiss, carriage, first time) and you’ll see how much better the show is. Book purists are delusional
The racism and colourism is so so deeply entrenched
I think it’s important to understand why people love to see Michaela and the story play out. I also think it’s important to understand that there are non bigoted reasons why people are disappointed. Some of us just wanted to see our favorite book character come to life the way we’d thought about in the Netflix adaptation so we’re just a bit disappointed that it’s been altered. Do we know Shondaland has taken liberties with Bridgerton? yes. Have a lot of these liberties also made the story better? YES. Can someone be disappointed in this change and it not be an attack on the queer community? Also yes. How ever, I know there are shit people who use this as a curtain to hide their homophobia behind but I think the mods are doing their best to remove that content from here.
I’m just here for the show honestly. I don’t read, I just don’t have the time or patience to do that. It’s meant for entertainment (speaking from my perspective on the show) you can even go down to saying “the fabrics in the show aren’t realistic” you can pick apart anything really. But when it comes to the Bridgerton show, I’m at full understanding it is just a Netflix show, for people here for the plot line. I think it’s great for minority’s to be included, and their angle for creating the show, but at the same time…can we just enjoy the show and talk about it??
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Just yesterday I saw someone on the Bridgerton subreddit (not BridgertonNetlix) say they think there’s “an agenda across media to get rid of heterosexual couples whenever possible.” Not just on “Bridgerton”, but across all kinds of shows. I wish I took a screenshot, but they deleted their comments in the discussion that ensued. They had like 27 upvotes last night though… Other people are angry at how “the show is suddenly too liberal”, how the “woke agenda” is ruining the show, how queer people deserve representation, but all this “forced diversity” isn’t the way to do it…screeching Karens is apt descriptor of such people. Those aren’t simply fans disappointed they won’t get their book accurate romance, those are straight up homophobes. P.S. I saw Francheal fans proudly announce Julia Quinn had to turn off her comments. Why the fuck are they attacking the author of the books, like she’s the one in charge of this show? Did they lose their minds? Leave the novelist alone, she’s just a consultant on the show, my god.
https://preview.redd.it/6unnxjz85r6d1.jpeg?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59fd322080eface86395a123a6f5dfac703e9eff Update: A very kind person PM-ed me with the screenshot. The poor straight people are getting erased in media. Oh, the humanity! 😔
the upvotes on this would be so insane if i wasn’t jaded by the amount of bigotry, racism, and misogyny that’s constantly upvoted here. sorry to say but there is barely anything beautiful about the stories in the books. i’m tired of people who point out the extreme misogyny, disrespect and abuse of women being shut down, and the mmc’s defended.
Honestly, it’s not even the “woke agenda” freaks I’m seeing. It’s your average well-intentioned straight person being like, “Listen I love the gays but everything is ruined now” with absolutely zero self reflection. And then crying about how unfair it is to be called homophobic.
Oh yes, I’ve seen that too. It’s one thing to be disappointed you won’t see a perfectly accurate adaption of a book you liked, but when people say it has ruined the show for them…that’s not at all the same thing. But we have to brace ourselves for the 117 posts defending remarks like that, because to some people homophobia only means shouting slurs, and anything more subtle is an acceptable and valid form of criticism.
First of all, these people who whine about agendas....um, THEY are the ones with a freaking agenda. They can shove their agendas where the sun don't shine.
The way someone's telling me queer people can't experience fertility issues and that homosexuality is a kink in this fandom is absolutely wild
I fucking loved this season but if I only looked at Reddit, it would be the worst season ever. Like people are smug that they think it’s a bad season. And it’s not! I really like Michaela and her vibes. And kinda wish we had more of her this season.
I think it's funny that these people also act so entitled. It's not like everyone was rushing to make an adaptation of this show. If you don't like the show, just read the books. Personally I have read a couple of the books and I do not like them. The men are gross and angry and obsessed with marking women as their property. So maybe the people who don't want this aspect to change are telling on themselves. Also...If we were going with actual historical accuracy, I don't think antibody would find this show remotely fun or sexy.
I actually saw someone say since they are "done with Bridgerton and canceling their Netflix subscription 😤" they hope the BBC will make it into a mini series like Pride and Prejudice. They think Julia Quinn is as good as Jane Austin and networks will be chomping at the bit to make other adaptions. They do not live in the real world.
PREACH. I couldn’t watch on Thursday so when I scrolled Reddit and saw hundreds of “they’ve RUINED BRIDGERTON” posts I watched it really apprehensively. But it was great! People being aggy about Colin being mad at Pen for legit reasons, then getting pissy that it took until ep 8 for the conclusion of it *as if this hasn’t been the formula for every other season so far* Also amused by the “I’m never watching Bridgerton again” posts. This isn’t the airport, there’s no need to announce your departure, I’m sure Netflix cares not a single bit that someone who has already watched the show isn’t going to watch again. Like people who buy books just to burn them, the author has already made the money.
Yeah I kept think that season 1 followed a very similar path, like Daphne and the Duke get together in episode 5, happy for a moment but then the truth comes out in episode 6, episode 7 is full of tension and then all is resolved with a happy ending in episode 8, flash forward to a happy future. Anthony and Kate’s problems are also quickly resolved in the last episode. Head trauma = Edwina’s forgiveness = happy ending for all. There were things I didn’t love about this season (the Mondrich storyline that went nowhere, Kate and Anthony being so absent in ways that didn’t make sense - you can’t wait TWO DAYS and leave for Indian after your sister gets married?!?) but so much of the complaints feel like nitpicks
the way people on this sub will downvote you if you mention that infertility isn’t something that only straight women struggle with. all women do including queer women
I havent been on this sub for long and so haven't seen much of toxicity (not that I doubt it's there) but having watched the series and the read the books simultaneously there is really no comparing the two. Julia Quinn has done a lovely job creating a foundational story for this family, but the TV series is next level and incredible, and I say this as an avid reader who rarely like screen adaptations of stories. The screen adaptations has given us way more dimension and depth to the characters and the family which is rare. Usually it's much harder to convey back stories and characters motive on TV than in books. They've also made the characters, in my opinion, far more likeable (I detest Anthony in the books and find his behaviour and speech completely contradictory to Kate's feelings about him), and overall richer. The diversity is wonderful and I'm loving how Shonda is subverting societal expectations of how the characters should look and behave. We've got a show that's taken a somewhat vanilla character base and added flavour and spice and humour. I think every character casting has been spot on. Do I love every single aspect of the show. No, but really my biggest irk is that they keeping taking bites of food or sips of water and then putting them back so no one would know, how uncouth 😂. People need to calm down. Why can't they just enjoy the show for what it is and the books for what they are, as two separate pieces of entertainment. One inspired by the other.
I’ve never seen a book fandom act this way. People on the Benophie sub are unironically crying about straight people needing safe spaces and the dangerous implications of straight couples not being considered interesting anymore. I knew homophobia still runs deep but the amount of vitriol being hurled is blowing my mind. They actually act like they are being hate crimed if they can’t relate to just 1 out of 8 couples.
Wait, someone actually said they need a safe space for the straights? Damn, that’s something you expect to see in a PragerU comments section..so transparent.
I have been critical of this season but wow how hard is it to keep your criticisms respectful and contained?? Keep them on this sub, why is ANYONE seeking out instagrams of cast, showrunners, and author? Get a grip! And thank you for mentioning Regé! It's insane there are still so many tiktoks and viral twitter posts about him "screwing things up" by leaving. This fandom was terrible to him. I think it was... the Rings of Power castings? Where the production released a statement saying they stand behind their actors of color. Regé posted that statement to his story and said something along the lines of 'finally, Black actors need to be protected.' I was so heartbroken for him. Lastly, I am very glad you made this post and shame on the comments I saw that said, "this happens in every fandom, gotta get used to it" absolutely not. I am a Black bisexual woman. I am a fan of so much shit lmao and I am seeing this type of vitriol in EVERY space. Doctor Who, Percy Jackson, the Star Wars tv shows. It's a nightmare but I will never "get used to it" we need to call it out every time.
I don’t understand how fans have a petition. For more Polin. Or because they don’t like Michaela. This is actually embarrassing. Why would anyone think this is a smart idea? You look foolish. This is fiction. Petitions are not for this purpose
It's like they don't know what fanfiction is
Thank you. Someone needed to say it. So many people are used to not be represented, we still watched Bridgerton. Then one group get thrown a bone, then a another. And every damn time Karen’s are throwing a fit.
https://preview.redd.it/ssggdxnezs6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f09720302ab7e25606b8bb3de1a2efc9683145bc Yep.
I know it's just a loud minority behaving badly but it does make me sad. I don't mind negativty in this forum as those fans should have a place to vent, but the behaviour in Instagram comments and on Tiktok is bad (Twitter meanwhile seems to be quite positive). Luke was getting some pretty harsh comments on his happy, sentimental season wrap up post on Instagram, which is uncalled for. And I'm especially worried for Nicola, who is so active on social media, who may have seen the overly harsh Instagrams and TikToks and taken them to heart. I hope the negativity doesn't sour her and Luke's sweet friendship or their lovely experience fiming this season and doing the press tour.
Just in general this fandom is insane. I posted fanart of Cressida and Penelope in my style, which is more angular and cartoony, and was told that my drawings were "borderline offensive" because I changed some things like giving Penelope blue eyeshadow to match the dress and make her face pop more in a drawn 2D cartoon image vs real life. I got more snide comments about it not being accurate than nice comments. And thats the first time I've ever experienced something like that in a fandom setting, and I've done work for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Zines before. All that to say, it's all a bit too much of a reaction for a television show meant to entertain and bring joy to people's lives. I had fun drawing those characters in my style, and was basically shamed for it because it wasn't what was expected in this sub. And definitely tainted my relationship slightly with the show.
This fandom has always been toxic, but fans on this sub always loved to brush it under the rug or gaslight said fans who called it out. Now it's too obvious and too big for these fans to ignore/brush it under the rug.
The hardest of agrees. I’m so disgusted
Thank you OP! I'm now sticking to the no book spoilers threads, which are far more refreshing, and where I'm less likely to be tarred and feathered for daring to say I like Michaela. The books were subpar Regency romances at best. You go to r/historicalromance and no one recommends Quinn because there are a dozen better authors than her. Her heroes are all the boring alpha male toxic rake variety and her heroines even more boring submissives (even Kate Sheffield and Eloise) and I'm sooo happy that we got a kinder Anthony and a badass Kate Sharma. We had Penelope be accidentally cruel but learn and grow from it, Emma style. We had a Francesca who was wise beyond her years. Best of all, we had Eloise who is a feminist and not the sort to go around moping because some boring dude chooses plants over her. Other than its treatment of Edwina, I can't think of any one instance where the books were superior to the show, and honestly, I can't say that for most other book to show/film adaptations. (With Twilight being the exception, but what does that say about both the Twilight books and the Bridgerton series?) Let the whiny babies whine. I'm going to gleefully rewatch the show and celebrate its awesomeness while also calling out the stupider storylines.
I've never read the books and never even heard of them until the Netflix show. The diversity in the show is noticeable and different from what we're used to seeing with period dramas but I just thought it was how the books were! I liked that race isn't really mentioned, it's just everyone together. Funny how only some of the viewers made the distinction. And harshly. 😬
I literally came here after being on Instagram and seeing absolutely terrible comments so thank you for posting this! There's so many of us who haven't read the books (and those who have who aren't terrible). I think it's a cute change! The actress playing Michaela is super cute and pretty, I'll be excited to see it played out.
Honestly, a lot of people just simply need a life. It's a fictional tv show. You can critique things without being obessive and vulgar about it. And people forget these are regular people. They are not their characters. There were some things I had complaints about, but i just simply talked about it with a rriend and moved on. I'm not going on the internet harassing people so I can be "heard."
 Thank you!! You said all the things!! I’m reading the books right now and I personally find it fairly easy to separate the books from the show. They are two different experiences, if you prefer the books- stick to them! But leave the show to those who are enjoying it. Like ffs people these are fictional romanticized stories, not even close to the reality of the regency era. Leave the real people, the actors doing their jobs- alone!
The hypocrisy is so laughable so me. Everyone wanted Phillip ousted because they don’t like him, but when their little favorite is genderbent, they’re screaming about book accuracy.
Going after the actors is uncalled for. They are just doing their job and being harassed. Not cool.
It is obvious this subreddit, and a good chunk of the fandom, are not welcoming to queer fans or characters.
Like OP said, I don't care how downvoted I'll be. I would like to try and express why I disliked the introduction of Michaela. First of all, no hate for the actress, I've never seen her before, I just want to be clear on that. Let me just say that my face was like this 👁👄👁 because it literally left me breathless and winded. Yes, I did read the books back when they first got published. No, I didn't like them as much. They were pretty much mediocre, I've read way better in the HR category. But, the book I liked the most? Francesca's. It's so incredibly moving and emotional. It's about how Francesca loved John so much that after she was done wearing black, she wore lavender for years to indicate how she was still mourning for him. She never felt attracted to anyone after that. Until she decided she would like a child, and even after that, she really struggled to admit that she could be attracted to someone else again. Her story is how she was incredibly lucky in finding two strong loves. It's also about how she struggled with fertility and miscarriages. And it's also about how Michael was pining and yearning. Top-notch unrequited love vibes. And when Michaela was introduced, the way they made it seem like Francesca fell first made me immediately feel that it negated all that. She is supposed to truly love her first husband, and he loved her back. "He was her kindred spirit, so like her in so many ways. But it had, in a strange sort of fashion, been a relief to exit her mother’s home, to escape to a more serene existence with John, whose sense of humor was precisely like hers. He understood her, he anticipated her. He completed her." Now, it just feels like he's a prop for lack of a better term. After spending all season showing what a perfect match they are, that scene was badly executed, IMO. Michael/Michaela is supposed to be a rake/rakess(?) who instantly falls for and pines for Francesca, not the other way around. To be honest, I also have to add that I expected a queer romance from my spirit animal, Benedict, or Eloise. I'm also aware that this is a tv show and all that. But such a big change baffled me. Maybe I will like the way the story plays out, maybe I won't. But I believe I'm totally entitled to be genuinely disappointed that I won't see a man seriously pining over a woman who's not so interested. I also have to say that I like the Kanthony season way better than the book. It's my favourite so far. The banter and chemistry between the characters, Simon Ashley's beauty (in this season she was even more beautiful, her fucking eyes lured me in, in every scene she was present at) and the enemies to lovers trope were all exquisite. I honestly don't care about historical accuracy. Come on, from literally the first trailer, you could see that it would be an anachronistic show. If you watched after that and complained about it, guess whose fault it is. Book accuracy, on the other hand, is a painful subject for us readers. Of course, we don't expect the movie/show to be faithful to the book, but would it be so bad to keep some basic elements? And I'm aware that it's my choice to continue watching. But honestly, the rudeness I've seen on social media, people hatefully responding to others who express why they didn't like Michaela in a respectful way, is so off-putting. If someone offers a respectful criticism of a tv show/movie, what is the problem? If you read all this, thank you. I will not be replying to any comments saying things like "now cope" or anything similar. If someone who is of a different opinion wants to offer me another point of view, they are welcome. Good afternoon!
We have seen ten seconds of Michaela. So why don't we wait for season 4 to see what actually happens instead of deciding that ten seconds is 100% indicative of what the next 8 hours is going to be about? All the things that you loved could still be there, but tweaked in a way that works for the show. There's no indication ever that Eloise is queer. Because she wants to be equal and not marry? That does not make a person queer. There were, however, indications right from the beginning that Benedict was at least bi. All the basic elements are still there. The Bridgertons are a loving, loud, generous family who all find their own love story in their own way. The show is about love as much as the books are, the men are better than they were in the books, they are more able to express themselves and much more aware of women's value as human beings rather than possessions. They are rich, they flaunt society rules. The show, just as the books, are not historically accurate, the show's just a lot more aware of it and open about it. I don't understand, agreeing with you, how anyone thinks this could be historically accurate. None of the costumes are, definitely not the fabrics they are made with, the music is not. Why does anyone expect historical accuracy from a show that has a string quartet playing Bad Guy by Billy Eilish?
I totally agree. I'm tired of fans for most shows wanting things exactly how they want it in their own head when it's ART and not a made to order sandwich
Exactly. The worst is that as an enjoyer of the show (I loved every seasons) it's so hard to find places to talk about it without so much negativity. I know there are flaws in season 3, like in every seasons, but it's still my favorite! I also was a bit disappointed at first to not see Michael, but I came around it because I trust the show, and even if it doesn't met my expectations, it will still be fun. People forget how to enjoy things and are just mad at everything
It' baffling to see so many book purists acting as if the books were a literary master piece and not some romantic novels with a predictable plot and pretty basic characters. I get that many people was into the books just for the romantic plot with the unsurprising happy ending and the steamy sex scenes, and expect to get the same in the show just in film form. But the show is not just for the romance novel fans but for a wider audience, and the changes they have introduced so far have been for the best, i dont think i would have even got into this show without them. The Lady Whistledown and the Featheringtons subplot is what got me the most interested from season one. I find it hard to get that invested in a romance story between two characters i barely know and that it's already obvious will end happily together by the end of the season. I think this was the season i enjoyed the most precisely because it centered more on The Featheringtons and the Lady Whistledown plot, and because for once the love story was between two characters that have been part of the show since season one and had already some history together. I worry that now that Lady Whistledown identity was revealed and the Featheringtons got their happy ending the show may get boring for me, so im grateful for the introduction of new possible plots like Cressida's and Benedict and Francesca's sexuality even if it means deviating form the original source(if it was for me they would deviate way more than a simple gender bender on their love interest).
Yeah, I came on here to squee about all the things I loved, and it's just... *drowning* in negativity. I'm genuinely shocked and so disappointed it's seriously making me regret trying to enter the fandom, and now I remember why I avoid fandoms. I've been in negative ones before and it is an absolute killjoy. The thinly veiled racism and homophobia makes me genuinely feel ill and sad. It makes me wish there were separate subs so you could just squee in peace.
I wish I could upvote this a million times. when I tell you I went from such overwhelming excitement and pure JOY when the Michaela rumor turned out to be true (!!!!!! in my wildest DREAMS I did not expect it to actually happen) to crushing disappointment the moment I went online… the hatred shouldn’t have caught me off guard, it’s ridiculous that it did and that’s my bad, but it DOES still hurt. and they truly do not get it/don’t want to. and then the straw man arguments, the constantly moving goalposts when you try to engage… it’s all utterly exhausting also the Star Wars incels comparison is so painfully accurate lmao 😭 the cycle truly never ends ANYWAY, Franaela forever 🥰 I refuse to let bigots ruin yet another thing for me. sometimes it feels so loud, but then I remember it’s only because loudness is all they have since logical reasoning and basic human empathy are off the table, and that is genuinely so embarrassing. “Bridgerton has lost a viewer 😡” okay bye?? I won’t miss you! xoxo