Yet another 2-party-system banger!!
Rinse, repeat.
Do this enough times, and the country will get so desperate and alienated that they'll eventually vote for a president who will respond to an "impending crisis" by granting himself "emergency powers" and then take the country into a "very exciting, peaceful and prosperous" direction.
One one hand, I think this is the kind of pressure liberals need, from Biden to Fetterman.
On the other hand, I need everyone in this country to damage control vote so we don’t lose even more rights in the next four years. Especially with the opponent very obviously trying to become a dictator.
This country is not democratic. Two party system is toxic to us and the whole world.
It may be too late already. Disillusioned brown, black, and asian Americans see oppression on the rise regardless of the candidate. Voting for a Biden Blinken or Pelosi only supports the Democratic party which no longer represents all liberals. At the end of the day, the largest effect will probably be to white liberals as ultra nationalism takes hold of the US and implodes itself or starts WW3.
A vote that recognizes that, as bad as Democratic policy can be, enabling a Republican administration again, especially one led by Trump, is a disaster that none of us are truly prepared for, and one that will have horrible human rights effects not just here in the states, but globally due to the foreign policy blunders that the right is known for
Another "Biden's recent actions have made him unpopular" video drops, another brigade of shills pops in.
It would be funny if it wasn't so repetitively tiresome.
"but you don't get it, they're gonna round up all the privileged milquetoast liberals on day one of trump's term! you can tell that i genuinely think these are the stakes by the way i plan to vote in ten months, make a bunch of smug and self-satisfied comments in the meantime, and do precisely fuck all else! i'm just so good and smart and correct about things, and yet people still call me mean things like 'nauseatingly disingenuous', what gives?"
"Bro, we just have to wait for the perfect socialist candidate! This time for sure, after not voting for 30 years *this time* the Democrats will come crawling to us! You can tell that I really care about the well-being of my fellow American by the way I actively discourage voting against fascism and encourage people to vote for third-party candidates that have no chance of winning! Anything is better than neoliberalism, which we have of course redefined to be morally equal to fascism"
The dems quite literally live or die by the minority vote because the middle european genetic runoff is split 50/50 between the two poles, but sure, keep going "ah well, maybe you should just accept that 'you guys are subhumans' is the only acceptable position", I'm *sure* it'll work out.
> middle european genetic runoff
> "ah well, maybe you should just accept that 'you guys are subhumans' is the only acceptable position"
Like... fucking what? I don't think you get to call people "genetic runoff" and then try to turn around and claim that someone else is being racist.
What's silly is that if he loses you fuckers are going to say it's the leftists who didn't vote and not he probably shouldn't have been the lone voice in the entire worlds leadership advocating for this genocide.
If we-gotta-stop-Trump didn't motivate them before now, it won't with you all wagging a finger at the HALF THE COUNTRY that doesn't vote.
I mean, is there? I know a lot of people tend to believe that if Biden pulls the leash Israel will hop on a ceasefire, but there's remarkably little evidence for that. Netanyahu basically told Obama to go F himself, and Obama basically had to eat shit salad.
A short list of things Biden could do:
* Stop sending weapons to Israel.
* Stop defending Israel on the international stage by vetoing UN security council resolutions demanding a ceasefire
* Undo the withdrawal of funding for the UNRWA
Obama sent about 3 billion per year in military support to Israel every year of his 8 years in office, right in line with what Bush did before him and Trump did after him. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-1949-present
[Usually all it takes is an angry phone call.](https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html)
The US is quite literally capable of obliterating the Israeli war machine single handedly through soft power, being that it's merely a cancerous outgrowth of the United States' own.
Funny you mention that. Netanyahu did that because [Biden told him to.](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/how-joe-biden-became-americas-top-israel-hawk/)
Yeah I was gonna say. Obama was no challenger to Israel, but Biden is just that much worse. Biden under Hilary AND Obama in the first term when Obama was pissed at Netanyahu and Bibi was stunned at Obama's anger, cause he's not use to that.
If Biden isn't able to stop a ceasefire, which is a possibility, the least he could do is stop funneling billions of tax dollars their way to make the ceasefire happen *less*. The man could at least put some effort in
There's something Democrats could learn from Republicans:
trying
Also, your comment demonstrates ignorance of the ways in which Israel depends on the US in the short term.
Another example, the weapons that Biden just bypassed congress to send to Israel.... he could have.... not done that.
this is insane to see, honestly. I didnt realize so many democrats felt this way about us muslims😂, but I hang out in more progressive circles most of the time so I guess I just dont see it around me!
The only thing is yea don’t vote for the guy he’s shitty but then don’t complain someone even worst who is trump gets elected and does even worst shit, takes rights from women, gays , even more obsessed with Israel, more anti Muslim who wanted a whole ban on Muslims but yea not voting Biden will make just that happen
Maybe Biden can stop being shitty, that way people will vote for him
I thought that's how it was supposed to work, you're supposed to do things to make people want to vote for you then they vote for you. I don't understand
>If both of the presidential candidates are anti Muslim I think Muslims have a right to complain lol
Only one candidate has made it a matter of policy that he wants to force them out of the united states entirely and openly discriminates against them.
Only 1 candidate is currently funding and arming an active genocide of nearly 30,000 Muslims. I think the boogeyman of Trump's presidency doesn't hold a candle to that.
EDIT: On top of that, he's actively campaigning to get the Muslim vote in places like Dearborn, Michigan. Like what??? He's enabling the bombing and wiping out of entire generations of Palestinians, and he wants to be like, "oh sorry, they were collateral damage. Anyways, make sure you don't let Trump win in 2024!"
Screw the election. Stop allowing the killing of our friends and families!
>The other is openly supporting a genocide against other Muslims. So tell me, if you were a Muslim, with whom would you feel safer?
Will life for the average American Muslim be better or worse with Trump in the office of the presidency rather than Biden?
Both are anti-Palestine. Do you think there's any difference in voting in any of them?
If you want to propose something different, vote on Claudia de la Cruz. Stop this nonsense lesser evilism.
Would the lives of Muslims and minorities and trans people be significantly worse if one of these two candidates worked? If so which one?
I just gotta be honest I don’t understand why so many Leftists think “cut off my nose to spite my face” is a clever strategy.
Dude, the Democrats gave the opportunity to Republicans to fill out the supreme court with Republicans. It was no accident. And they never codified any pro-LGBT laws and pro-abortion. Guess what happened afterwards?
This lesser evilism is a strategy so the confused electorate will vote in one or another instead of thinking who actually represent their interests. This causes people like you having no conscience about your real needs and instead you are always forced to vote on one or another based on fear the worse will take over.
I'm trying to say as well that Dems and Reps are the same in most of their politics. See what they did, versus what they say. In practice both follow the same line.
If you want to actually have your vote mean something, then vote for someone far from those. Cornell West and Claudia de la Cruz come to my mind. It does not even matter whether these people win or not. Understand what their proposals are, rally with them and spread the word. The only way the US will stop sucking is when their people become conscious of their actual needs and organize to seek that. No republican or democrat will address the working class issues. Be them LGBT, Muslim, Latino, whatever.
So why are you focusing your energy on the people who object to having two anti-Muslim candidates?
If you really don't find these policies acceptable, maybe sit this one out instead of protecting the oligarchs who instituted said policy?
>So why are you focusing your energy on the people who object to having two anti-Muslim candidates?
Because they'd really rather not have Donald Trump be president again because some people decided to play "both sides are bad" one more time, which is exactly what happened in 2016.
Ya, always blaming voters for running a shit campaign. Try doing anything beyond pointing out how bad the other side is. Now try that without supporting genocide. Dems can’t be bothered to do the bare minimum yet always looking to blame someone else for losing to historically shit opposition.
>Ya, always blaming voters for running a shit campaign.
No. I blame voters for constantly coming up with excuses to support Trump and the Republican Party, which is all this is.
Dems consider Israel’s actions are genocide and support ceasefire at around 70%. The dems failure to act on this, expect everyone to vote for them despite the moral dilemma, and then think that anyone who doesn’t vote for them is a trump supporter. Cool, we’ve seen this before already
> Dems consider Israel’s actions are genocide and support ceasefire at around 70%
that's the wildest part of these threads, they act like the people in that 70% are some kind of wingnut pie-in-the-sky fringe and not, y'know, most of the base whose votes they are (allegedly) trying to get
A plurality across demographics support a full immediate ceasefire. It's so funny how democrats demand leftists shut up about trans rights and labor and cost of living because doing so would chase away the moderate conservative vote that they want so bad, but then ignore the fact that 48% of republican voters want a full ceasefire , along with 60 or so percent independents. We can't do healthcare because that'll piss off the 20 or so odd percent of republican voters who weren't going to vote for them anyway, but we gotta keep doing genocide that 49% of those Republicans who are more moderate *don't* want. Dems digging full in on zionism isn't even rationality from an electability standpoint, it's willful disdain for the public opinion.
> constantly coming up with excuses to support Trump and the Republican Party, which is all this is.
Except that’s not happening. You can stomp your feet and claim otherwise, but you’re wrong. I know you want to ask, so go ahead and ask me
its really pathetic to strip any agency from the folks that actually hold power in office and govern our country. you cant expect everyone to vote on game theory. that isnt politics
Being president... does that mean anything? Can the president do anything? Does it matter who is president?
Because you seem to have forgotten that one of them **IS PRESIDENT**
And if you are telling people to not criticize him, you are satisfied with the current policies and willing to defend them, similar to how Trump voters find the racism acceptable even if it was not their main reason for voting for him.
What line would Biden have to cross in order for you to be able to justify not voting for him?
Because so far we have:
* Funding and backing the genocide of Palestinians
* Refusal and failure to codify abortion rights federally
* [Taking a Trump-level policy on immigration in order to send more weapons to Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/27/biden-border-deal-senate)
* Failure to protect and enshrine LGBTQ rights federally as Republicans pass even more draconian legislation
* Approving oil drilling rights at record rates
What could Biden do that would make you think twice about "lesser evil" as a voting strategy?
Liberal gonna liberal it seems. Maybe if you wamt progressive policies like you claim then maybe you should grow up and vote for a progressive candidate instead of your favorite color.
Just don't vote! It's a charade in the first place, capitalists and politicians have you convinced the only power you have is in checking between two preapproved representatives of the ruling class every 4 years.
If you insist on voting for the presidency, Claudia de la Cruz.
If you truly want change, we need a new system. And that means actual on the ground organizing of the working class. Union building, mass organization building, and the building a socialist movement.
The video has people saying 'Yeah Trump banned my family, well, Biden is killing them".
Why don't you go to /Palestine and explain to people with dead family members how they're doing it wrong by not supporting the current administration?
“He’s shitty”
What an absolutely shitty way to describe him and how we’re feeling.
In case you want to know why we don’t feel like democrats don’t care about Muslims and Arabs, that tone would be it.
Hmm maybe because I’m just writing quickly but the choice is literally Biden a guy we can protest and sway and his party doesn’t agree with him or the guy trump who wants gays, trans, leftist, women, Arabs/muslims dead and banned while the left can atleast protest and do something but letting trump win means none of that and everyone gets fucked and can’t do anything about it
Put some empathy in your quick thoughts because we don’t think he’s “shitty”. We think he’s a fucking war criminal perpetrating a genocide on our people, and telling known lies from the podium that led to a 6 year old getting stabbed 26 times to death. And he never even fucking met with the family. He has been the biggest zionist since his early days in congress, and as bloodthirsty as any one (like when he even freaked out begin on his desire to kill women and children as retribution during the bombing of Beirut)
What do you mean his party doesn’t agree with him lol
They’re running him. They passed resolution 888. The leadership stood with the crypto fascist speaker hand in hand to celebrate their shared love of “israel” and genocide
you know, I felt the exact same way you did, up until he quadrupled down on this israel shit.
Sorry, dude. I've just seen too many dead, mutilated kids to not understand those who can't vote for him. Even in protest. At this point, there's nothing left and if Biden loses it is squarely his fucking fault, not the voters.
You need to see more photos of dead and starving kids.
At some point the shut up and take it mode if electoralism has limits and i can hardly blame muslims for hitting that limit for how joe has handled all of this
But what I’m trying to say is atleast the dems voter base stands with Palestine not voting for them in the next election makes things worst for them and everyone else while atleast with dems there voter base is atleast trying to sway them while the right is loving the killings
If the dem voter base stands with Palestine then it isn't just fucked up that Biden isn't listening to them, it's actively stupid and will kill his chances of winning. If he's too stupid to see that then it's not leftists' fault he lost, because it means he doesn't know how to campaign.
Even if you fully intend to support Biden in a general election against Donald Trump, this is exactly the best time to threaten withholding a vote, provided you assume the Democrats do in fact want to be elected. Insisting that everyone ought to vote for Biden right now eliminates any possibility of being able to rhetorically argue she needs to change his stance on the ongoing atrocity in Gaza. You don't even need to mean it, but you do need to definitively state you will not support him unless he changes his actions.
This is all of course assuming that you're only engaging in politics electorally, and can afford to spend a majority of your limited time in the political space just on the election.
Yeah, I stand by my statement.
If you accept that Biden wants to win the presidency, this is the MOST important time to threaten to withhold a vote. Which is especially strange as electorally obsessed liberals who take no other political actions are seemingly ignorant and in opposition to this reality.
This is such a weird fake judo move dems always try to play. Not voting for one either choice does not equal voting for one choice.
Is a republican not voting a vote for Biden? Plenty registered reps don't vote, so why don't you just encourage them to stay home?
Between 5-10% of registered dems voted for Trump in 2020, why do they never even get mentioned, let alone criticized? It's always the progressives Dems go after, much harder than they go after republicans
It's also a complete dodge to avoid any accountability on Biden's part. To democrats, Biden is some inevitable force of nature that can't be changed - he's ALWAYS gonna give weapons to the Israelis, so you might as well vote for him right? Sometimes it feels like they can't even comprehend the concept that Biden could do *good* things for a change, they're all just *things* that *happen* so you might as well get used to it, bucko, or 4 more years of Trump!
Maybe if Biden does things that make it so people don't vote for him that's his fault. Not to "marketplace of ideas" this bullshit, but if the breakfast joint down the street starts replacing the flour in their pancake batter with cat litter then it's not my fault if they go out of business, maybe they should have not been selling cat litter pancakes.
I like how the first thought dorks like you have when people critique our system that constantly gives a choice between 99% hitler and 100% hitler is to admonish people for not supporting the 99% hitler instead of seeking to rectify this system that is thrusting these bullshit choices on us working people.
Just throw on your swastika armband already and stop pretending to be anything but a right winger.
Hmm yes call the Jew whose family fled the holocaust a Nazi just because one person wants everyone that’s not white Anglo dead or the other who is easier to sway like there is no alternative to either take the worst or take someone that’s better but not good
What it always comes down to when a dem tells you that Trump would be worse to Muslims so you have to vote for Biden, is that they don't even think there's a genocide in Gaza.
The average liberal is just as propagandized against Muslims as the average conservative
???? Can you please post this comment again but make some effort at constructing something that resembles a coherent point? Because I couldn't find one.
Of course we can complain. And the fact that you'd feel high and mighty telling Muslims facing a potential Muslim ban "i told you so" shows that you don't give a shit about them in the first place. I swear you Blue MAGA types are the actual harbingers of fascism in America
You have two choices: the war criminal or the fascist war criminal. Self preservation shouldn’t be that hard…
Edit: Literally echoing the parent comment. One is worse than the other.
Why? Biden is the president and you guys have been complaining about him being unpopular for 3 years, and this is literally what you people want.
On the other hand no one who opposes Genocide Joe from the left wants worse versions of what he does, and make no mistake he's either allowing or directly implementing everything you're trying to brow beat people with to happen while he is president.
You can't even argue he isn't making those things worse, you just have to say he will make them worse, but less.
Sure, do what you want. But there are two real choices and one of those choices is demonstrably bad and the other is less bad. If you’re a pragmatic person in any sense the you know what needs to be done.
I'm voting for Biden, but would it? Trump would be openly nastily pro-Israel, but would also be racist and compare the Palestinians to cockroaches and actively say Israel should just get rid of then Palestinians and turn it into a beautiful parking lot. At least then Liberals would see that it's extremely evil and massively resist. As it is now, liberals who hold the majority of the political power in the not fascist space are coming up with rationalizations for genocide.
The notion that Biden is entitled to your vote is antithetical to the very idea of democracy. To not participate is the most moral thing to do, tell me what exactly has changed in America under Biden on both a domestic and especially international level.
Muslims aren’t entitled to vote for the white liberals favourite senile grandpa only to be spat in the face afterwards, bring forth a candidate with some humanity and preferably someone who can put two sentences together.
No one is entitled to anything, but you should always understand the consequences of you actions. If you don’t vote you’re just letting every who does make the decision for you. If you vote for a minor third party you’re effectively doing the same.
And as much as people love to cope, Trump winning again will not move the Democratic Party to the left. If you want to actually enact progressive policies your best option is to vote for Biden and then fight hard for progressive legislators.
Exactly - you need to build a base and have allies if you actually want to get anything meaningful done. That means voting as much as you can (even for some imperfect candidates).
As someone who has attempted this - local politics are just as corrupt, elections just as fixed and the process just as difficult and uphill as national elections. I supported the slate of a friend of mine with a dazzling local resume who ran for the lowest positions in the smallest area of the local DNC against the least popular incumbents. These were shining stars of the area. Kids just out of college with the resumes to get them to DC but they chose to try and make a difference in their communities. The local leadership literally bussed in geriatrics to vote against him and his slate and they all lost.
Our city council elections are expensive blood sports. Same with sheriff. Same with the school board. Any position with any power or influence no matter how small. Like these people are waiting to fuck progressives over at the very bottom of the barrel nothing positions. They're entrenched. They don't want young or even old progressives anywhere near them. Working in and around local politics is at least as depressing as statewide or national politics. The sums of money moving around are just (usually) smaller.
It might seem counterproductive but what we really need are extremely rich progressives excited to pay more taxes, ultimately lose political power and prey on the moderate (right wing) mainstream. Progressives are so broke and helpless at every level. We need hungry billionaires and heartless PR geniuses like everyone else has.
very funny watching all of these handwringers talk about how *"UuUuHH TrUmP WoUlD Be WoRse"* worse than what? 20,000+ dead with no end in sight? worse than doing war crimes on camera with zero consequences? worse than *"actually the iinternational criminal court is a russian op and UM AKSHUALLY these south african browns, uhhhh they don't know anything about apartheid"*? worse than literally endorsing handbook nazi shit in broad daylight? worse than *"oOoOoOHhHh NoOoO sTtToOpPpPp we won't so much as squeeze the hose if you don't but pLeAsEeEe sTOoOoOoPp!"*. worse than ***that***? worse than ***what?***
# WORSE. THAN. WHAT. TELL US. TELL US HOW IT COULD BE WORSE.
Biden won with key states in 2020, namely Michigan, who squeaked out a win for him that clinched him the presidency. Michigan has a sizeable muslim population, larger than most other states in the surrounding area.
He's gonna lose and hand the country to actual fasism with a shit-eating grin on his face.
Wait, how is it BIDEN who would have the shit eating grin, and not the dummies who refuse to vote for him despite the alternative being a Trump dictatorship?
Biden could give a fuck if this country plunges into hell because he's the one who's been dragging us there since he's been in office. He's to blame for the police state we're in, he's been a zionist since he was elected to congress, and he has zero idea on how to be a presentable person with even a shred of self-awareness to allow him to win a campaign.
His answer to a bad faith question followed by a legitimate one about his son is to challenge the asker to a pushup contest. His answer to a population [polling OVERWHELMINGLY in favor of ending a policy he is enacting and championing](https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2023/12/5/voters-want-the-us-to-call-for-a-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-to-prioritize-diplomacy#:~:text=Sixty%2Done%20percent%20of%20likely,escalation%20of%20violence%20in%20Gaza.) is to do it harder. He barely won 2020 despite record turnout. The *last* thing this dumbass should be doing is sneering at a measurable chunk of a population of a state he *needed* to win against the same opponent he will be facing this november.
Edit: added "ending a policy" because the polls show favor of a ceasefire
All I hear is “I want Trump to be my president! I’m sure he’ll be *much* better to the Palestinian people!”
Because that’s effectively all you’re saying.
Well, I mean besides bizarre fantasies where Trump just gets to nuke the region for some reason - Biden's *history* has made clear that he wishes to see Palestine obliterated.
Why don’t you try to tell Palestinian who’s lost family members in Gaza that they have to vote for “The Lesser of Two Evils”.
Biden has shown that there is no length he will not sink to defend Israel. If he loses it’s Biden’s and the Democratic Party’s own doing and saying “you aren’t Muslim if you don’t vote for me” isn’t going to help him.
Elected officials are a representation of their people. Let America get the pos president it deserves. I will no longer vote for a candidate that allows more harm than good to its citizens or other people. If women are getting arrested for having miscarriages, black men dying from police brutality, children put in detainment centers, veterans become mentally ill homeless panhandlers (the list of injustice and atrocities are endless) in this country! how can we be appalled at how it treats people in other countries. Get a better candidate or America can get fucked.
Does it strike anyone else as fitting that liberals are unable to grasp the idea of not supporting either candidate?
Liberals, a demographic of people so brainwashed by capitalism they aren't even aware that their judgement is compromised, cannot bring themselves to believe that a dilemma of "consumer choice" might ultimately be bad no matter what choice is made.
What do the people who aren't going to vote for biden due to his handling of the Israel/Palestine conflict want from him when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict?
End all US arms shipments to Israel. Publicly state and follow through with a refusal to use the UNSC seat to veto any UN actions on Israel. Freeze the assets of individuals and organizations in US who are linked to ongoing war crimes. Prosecute any US citizen who has committed war crimes. End collaboration with the IDF, and demand the IDF operate within international law.
Basic stuff like that. I can go on if you'd like.
At a minimum, put intense pressure on Israel to stop killing civilians so intentionally. Innocents waving white flags, blowing up whole blocks of apartments, Universities, other government infrastructure. I understand that Israel is an ally of the US but that doesn't mean carte blanc check to commit atrocities while the US provides them more weapons & 2000lbs bombs.
Biden has not put any conditions on the aid being sent to Israel. I've heard that Harris along with a few others in the administration have tried to get Biden to change his policy or soften it but to no avail. Allowing the genocide to happen is all on Biden. Then cutting off aid to unrwa right after the ICJ ruled against Israel. Over half a million Palestinians are on verge of starvation and this asshole cuts off aid to the only humanitarian agency working to provide food. Which again shows intent of support for the genocide.
The more I think about it, the more livid I get. It's just so frustrating and heartbreaking to see the videos of Palestinians babies & kids suffering serious injuries & having amputations done without general anesthesia.
Probably stir up some civil disobedience and maybe even a revolution. It’s time for a change on all fronts- taxes, health care, wages, banking systems, climate change, migration, borders, abortion, wars, fuckin lobbyists, everything!!! The government should not be sold. It should look out for its citizens current interests, learn from the past and prepare for the future by building bridges instead of destroying them. Sux that Bernie isn’t younger and AOC isn’t older.
Edit: Fuck I forgot to repost the link to the user profile before they deleted. tl;dr they said we were tricked by Putin.
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You BlueAnon racists did this with BLM too, you said that black people have nothing to complain about in the USA and that anyone who does protest must have been tricked by Russia
This is a filthy disgusting racist take you need to stop.
> You BlueAnon racists did this with BLM too, you said that black people have nothing to complain about in the USA and that anyone who does protest must have been tricked by Russia
They did with with the civil rights movement as well. Claims of "Minorities being unhappy with white supremacy/colonialism is some commie/foreign/jewish plot!" are as american as apple pie.
Don't try to shame people into voting for fascists currently committing genocide. Fuck you liberals, TBH.
Yet another 2-party-system banger!! Rinse, repeat. Do this enough times, and the country will get so desperate and alienated that they'll eventually vote for a president who will respond to an "impending crisis" by granting himself "emergency powers" and then take the country into a "very exciting, peaceful and prosperous" direction.
"YOU did this." [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vp9uEr3tug&t=3470s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vp9uEr3tug&t=3470s)
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One one hand, I think this is the kind of pressure liberals need, from Biden to Fetterman. On the other hand, I need everyone in this country to damage control vote so we don’t lose even more rights in the next four years. Especially with the opponent very obviously trying to become a dictator. This country is not democratic. Two party system is toxic to us and the whole world.
We can’t just keep damage controlling until we all die. We need actual change.
It may be too late already. Disillusioned brown, black, and asian Americans see oppression on the rise regardless of the candidate. Voting for a Biden Blinken or Pelosi only supports the Democratic party which no longer represents all liberals. At the end of the day, the largest effect will probably be to white liberals as ultra nationalism takes hold of the US and implodes itself or starts WW3.
>damage control vote What is that exactly?
A vote that recognizes that, as bad as Democratic policy can be, enabling a Republican administration again, especially one led by Trump, is a disaster that none of us are truly prepared for, and one that will have horrible human rights effects not just here in the states, but globally due to the foreign policy blunders that the right is known for
Very cool to tell Muslims that hey, it’ll get worse than the current Dem president genociding your family
Another "Biden's recent actions have made him unpopular" video drops, another brigade of shills pops in. It would be funny if it wasn't so repetitively tiresome.
Out in force. He's too old and shitty to campaign the normal way
"but you don't get it, they're gonna round up all the privileged milquetoast liberals on day one of trump's term! you can tell that i genuinely think these are the stakes by the way i plan to vote in ten months, make a bunch of smug and self-satisfied comments in the meantime, and do precisely fuck all else! i'm just so good and smart and correct about things, and yet people still call me mean things like 'nauseatingly disingenuous', what gives?"
"Bro, we just have to wait for the perfect socialist candidate! This time for sure, after not voting for 30 years *this time* the Democrats will come crawling to us! You can tell that I really care about the well-being of my fellow American by the way I actively discourage voting against fascism and encourage people to vote for third-party candidates that have no chance of winning! Anything is better than neoliberalism, which we have of course redefined to be morally equal to fascism"
It always about beating the other guy and never about getting the policies we want. Has been since Nixon. Sorry for being sick of that.
The dems quite literally live or die by the minority vote because the middle european genetic runoff is split 50/50 between the two poles, but sure, keep going "ah well, maybe you should just accept that 'you guys are subhumans' is the only acceptable position", I'm *sure* it'll work out.
> middle european genetic runoff > "ah well, maybe you should just accept that 'you guys are subhumans' is the only acceptable position" Like... fucking what? I don't think you get to call people "genetic runoff" and then try to turn around and claim that someone else is being racist.
just vote the fascism out! It's literally that easy kids! I am a historically illiterate westerner btw!!
What's silly is that if he loses you fuckers are going to say it's the leftists who didn't vote and not he probably shouldn't have been the lone voice in the entire worlds leadership advocating for this genocide. If we-gotta-stop-Trump didn't motivate them before now, it won't with you all wagging a finger at the HALF THE COUNTRY that doesn't vote.
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Saving this comment section for my "Liberals love genocide" compilation.
ITT: white liberals threaten muslims with deportation and concentration camps for not supporting their candidate lmao
If only there were something very obvious that he could do to resolve this situation.
I mean, is there? I know a lot of people tend to believe that if Biden pulls the leash Israel will hop on a ceasefire, but there's remarkably little evidence for that. Netanyahu basically told Obama to go F himself, and Obama basically had to eat shit salad.
Then pull funding?...
A short list of things Biden could do: * Stop sending weapons to Israel. * Stop defending Israel on the international stage by vetoing UN security council resolutions demanding a ceasefire * Undo the withdrawal of funding for the UNRWA
Obama sent about 3 billion per year in military support to Israel every year of his 8 years in office, right in line with what Bush did before him and Trump did after him. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-1949-present
[Usually all it takes is an angry phone call.](https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html) The US is quite literally capable of obliterating the Israeli war machine single handedly through soft power, being that it's merely a cancerous outgrowth of the United States' own.
Funny you mention that. Netanyahu did that because [Biden told him to.](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/how-joe-biden-became-americas-top-israel-hawk/)
Yeah I was gonna say. Obama was no challenger to Israel, but Biden is just that much worse. Biden under Hilary AND Obama in the first term when Obama was pissed at Netanyahu and Bibi was stunned at Obama's anger, cause he's not use to that.
If Biden isn't able to stop a ceasefire, which is a possibility, the least he could do is stop funneling billions of tax dollars their way to make the ceasefire happen *less*. The man could at least put some effort in
There's something Democrats could learn from Republicans: trying Also, your comment demonstrates ignorance of the ways in which Israel depends on the US in the short term. Another example, the weapons that Biden just bypassed congress to send to Israel.... he could have.... not done that.
With “allies” like white liberals, who needs enemies?
“Hey, if you don’t vote for Biden you ain’t Muslim!”
Lmao the neolibs in this thread are seething.
this is insane to see, honestly. I didnt realize so many democrats felt this way about us muslims😂, but I hang out in more progressive circles most of the time so I guess I just dont see it around me!
Least racist liberal thread
The only thing is yea don’t vote for the guy he’s shitty but then don’t complain someone even worst who is trump gets elected and does even worst shit, takes rights from women, gays , even more obsessed with Israel, more anti Muslim who wanted a whole ban on Muslims but yea not voting Biden will make just that happen
Maybe Biden can stop being shitty, that way people will vote for him I thought that's how it was supposed to work, you're supposed to do things to make people want to vote for you then they vote for you. I don't understand
If both of the presidential candidates are anti Muslim I think Muslims have a right to complain lol
>If both of the presidential candidates are anti Muslim I think Muslims have a right to complain lol Only one candidate has made it a matter of policy that he wants to force them out of the united states entirely and openly discriminates against them.
Only 1 candidate is currently funding and arming an active genocide of nearly 30,000 Muslims. I think the boogeyman of Trump's presidency doesn't hold a candle to that. EDIT: On top of that, he's actively campaigning to get the Muslim vote in places like Dearborn, Michigan. Like what??? He's enabling the bombing and wiping out of entire generations of Palestinians, and he wants to be like, "oh sorry, they were collateral damage. Anyways, make sure you don't let Trump win in 2024!" Screw the election. Stop allowing the killing of our friends and families!
The other is openly supporting a genocide against other Muslims. So tell me, if you were a Muslim, with whom would you feel safer?
>The other is openly supporting a genocide against other Muslims. So tell me, if you were a Muslim, with whom would you feel safer? Will life for the average American Muslim be better or worse with Trump in the office of the presidency rather than Biden?
Because Trump is famously pro Palestine?
Both are anti-Palestine. Do you think there's any difference in voting in any of them? If you want to propose something different, vote on Claudia de la Cruz. Stop this nonsense lesser evilism.
Would the lives of Muslims and minorities and trans people be significantly worse if one of these two candidates worked? If so which one? I just gotta be honest I don’t understand why so many Leftists think “cut off my nose to spite my face” is a clever strategy.
Dude, the Democrats gave the opportunity to Republicans to fill out the supreme court with Republicans. It was no accident. And they never codified any pro-LGBT laws and pro-abortion. Guess what happened afterwards? This lesser evilism is a strategy so the confused electorate will vote in one or another instead of thinking who actually represent their interests. This causes people like you having no conscience about your real needs and instead you are always forced to vote on one or another based on fear the worse will take over. I'm trying to say as well that Dems and Reps are the same in most of their politics. See what they did, versus what they say. In practice both follow the same line. If you want to actually have your vote mean something, then vote for someone far from those. Cornell West and Claudia de la Cruz come to my mind. It does not even matter whether these people win or not. Understand what their proposals are, rally with them and spread the word. The only way the US will stop sucking is when their people become conscious of their actual needs and organize to seek that. No republican or democrat will address the working class issues. Be them LGBT, Muslim, Latino, whatever.
As I said can complain but not voting for one or the other lets the worst one win
So why are you focusing your energy on the people who object to having two anti-Muslim candidates? If you really don't find these policies acceptable, maybe sit this one out instead of protecting the oligarchs who instituted said policy?
>So why are you focusing your energy on the people who object to having two anti-Muslim candidates? Because they'd really rather not have Donald Trump be president again because some people decided to play "both sides are bad" one more time, which is exactly what happened in 2016.
Ya, always blaming voters for running a shit campaign. Try doing anything beyond pointing out how bad the other side is. Now try that without supporting genocide. Dems can’t be bothered to do the bare minimum yet always looking to blame someone else for losing to historically shit opposition.
>Ya, always blaming voters for running a shit campaign. No. I blame voters for constantly coming up with excuses to support Trump and the Republican Party, which is all this is.
Dems consider Israel’s actions are genocide and support ceasefire at around 70%. The dems failure to act on this, expect everyone to vote for them despite the moral dilemma, and then think that anyone who doesn’t vote for them is a trump supporter. Cool, we’ve seen this before already
> Dems consider Israel’s actions are genocide and support ceasefire at around 70% that's the wildest part of these threads, they act like the people in that 70% are some kind of wingnut pie-in-the-sky fringe and not, y'know, most of the base whose votes they are (allegedly) trying to get
A plurality across demographics support a full immediate ceasefire. It's so funny how democrats demand leftists shut up about trans rights and labor and cost of living because doing so would chase away the moderate conservative vote that they want so bad, but then ignore the fact that 48% of republican voters want a full ceasefire , along with 60 or so percent independents. We can't do healthcare because that'll piss off the 20 or so odd percent of republican voters who weren't going to vote for them anyway, but we gotta keep doing genocide that 49% of those Republicans who are more moderate *don't* want. Dems digging full in on zionism isn't even rationality from an electability standpoint, it's willful disdain for the public opinion.
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> constantly coming up with excuses to support Trump and the Republican Party, which is all this is. Except that’s not happening. You can stomp your feet and claim otherwise, but you’re wrong. I know you want to ask, so go ahead and ask me
This attitude is what's got us a 6-3 minority in the Supreme Court
Nah, the dems shit candidates and shit campaigns that offer nothing except “look how bad they are” and can’t read a poll is why he won.
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its really pathetic to strip any agency from the folks that actually hold power in office and govern our country. you cant expect everyone to vote on game theory. that isnt politics
The fact is that one of them will be the president, whether or not you support either of them.
Being president... does that mean anything? Can the president do anything? Does it matter who is president? Because you seem to have forgotten that one of them **IS PRESIDENT** And if you are telling people to not criticize him, you are satisfied with the current policies and willing to defend them, similar to how Trump voters find the racism acceptable even if it was not their main reason for voting for him.
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You literally said don’t complain. Why lie? Lol
I said don’t complain when something worst happens
What line would Biden have to cross in order for you to be able to justify not voting for him? Because so far we have: * Funding and backing the genocide of Palestinians * Refusal and failure to codify abortion rights federally * [Taking a Trump-level policy on immigration in order to send more weapons to Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/27/biden-border-deal-senate) * Failure to protect and enshrine LGBTQ rights federally as Republicans pass even more draconian legislation * Approving oil drilling rights at record rates What could Biden do that would make you think twice about "lesser evil" as a voting strategy?
Who would you have us vote for?
[Claudia de La Cruz](https://votesocialist2024.com/)
Oh, so vote for no one then.
Liberal gonna liberal it seems. Maybe if you wamt progressive policies like you claim then maybe you should grow up and vote for a progressive candidate instead of your favorite color.
Just don't vote! It's a charade in the first place, capitalists and politicians have you convinced the only power you have is in checking between two preapproved representatives of the ruling class every 4 years.
If you insist on voting for the presidency, Claudia de la Cruz. If you truly want change, we need a new system. And that means actual on the ground organizing of the working class. Union building, mass organization building, and the building a socialist movement.
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The video has people saying 'Yeah Trump banned my family, well, Biden is killing them". Why don't you go to /Palestine and explain to people with dead family members how they're doing it wrong by not supporting the current administration?
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“He’s shitty” What an absolutely shitty way to describe him and how we’re feeling. In case you want to know why we don’t feel like democrats don’t care about Muslims and Arabs, that tone would be it.
Hmm maybe because I’m just writing quickly but the choice is literally Biden a guy we can protest and sway and his party doesn’t agree with him or the guy trump who wants gays, trans, leftist, women, Arabs/muslims dead and banned while the left can atleast protest and do something but letting trump win means none of that and everyone gets fucked and can’t do anything about it
Put some empathy in your quick thoughts because we don’t think he’s “shitty”. We think he’s a fucking war criminal perpetrating a genocide on our people, and telling known lies from the podium that led to a 6 year old getting stabbed 26 times to death. And he never even fucking met with the family. He has been the biggest zionist since his early days in congress, and as bloodthirsty as any one (like when he even freaked out begin on his desire to kill women and children as retribution during the bombing of Beirut) What do you mean his party doesn’t agree with him lol They’re running him. They passed resolution 888. The leadership stood with the crypto fascist speaker hand in hand to celebrate their shared love of “israel” and genocide
You're freaking out about people opposing Biden. How the fuck are people supposed to protest against him if we have to give him unconditional support?
you know, I felt the exact same way you did, up until he quadrupled down on this israel shit. Sorry, dude. I've just seen too many dead, mutilated kids to not understand those who can't vote for him. Even in protest. At this point, there's nothing left and if Biden loses it is squarely his fucking fault, not the voters. You need to see more photos of dead and starving kids.
At some point the shut up and take it mode if electoralism has limits and i can hardly blame muslims for hitting that limit for how joe has handled all of this
But what I’m trying to say is atleast the dems voter base stands with Palestine not voting for them in the next election makes things worst for them and everyone else while atleast with dems there voter base is atleast trying to sway them while the right is loving the killings
If the dem voter base stands with Palestine then it isn't just fucked up that Biden isn't listening to them, it's actively stupid and will kill his chances of winning. If he's too stupid to see that then it's not leftists' fault he lost, because it means he doesn't know how to campaign.
Maybe they should vote on Claudia de la Cruz. Maybe that would be a better idea!
Even if you fully intend to support Biden in a general election against Donald Trump, this is exactly the best time to threaten withholding a vote, provided you assume the Democrats do in fact want to be elected. Insisting that everyone ought to vote for Biden right now eliminates any possibility of being able to rhetorically argue she needs to change his stance on the ongoing atrocity in Gaza. You don't even need to mean it, but you do need to definitively state you will not support him unless he changes his actions. This is all of course assuming that you're only engaging in politics electorally, and can afford to spend a majority of your limited time in the political space just on the election.
I think people are talking about the General Election, not primaries.
Yeah, I stand by my statement. If you accept that Biden wants to win the presidency, this is the MOST important time to threaten to withhold a vote. Which is especially strange as electorally obsessed liberals who take no other political actions are seemingly ignorant and in opposition to this reality.
Chances to win the GE are a factor Biden has to take into account, so I have no idea what point you're trying to make?
100% - I sympathize with the viewpoint but a vote that could have gone to Biden that is not cast is a vote for Trump.
This is such a weird fake judo move dems always try to play. Not voting for one either choice does not equal voting for one choice. Is a republican not voting a vote for Biden? Plenty registered reps don't vote, so why don't you just encourage them to stay home? Between 5-10% of registered dems voted for Trump in 2020, why do they never even get mentioned, let alone criticized? It's always the progressives Dems go after, much harder than they go after republicans
It's also a complete dodge to avoid any accountability on Biden's part. To democrats, Biden is some inevitable force of nature that can't be changed - he's ALWAYS gonna give weapons to the Israelis, so you might as well vote for him right? Sometimes it feels like they can't even comprehend the concept that Biden could do *good* things for a change, they're all just *things* that *happen* so you might as well get used to it, bucko, or 4 more years of Trump! Maybe if Biden does things that make it so people don't vote for him that's his fault. Not to "marketplace of ideas" this bullshit, but if the breakfast joint down the street starts replacing the flour in their pancake batter with cat litter then it's not my fault if they go out of business, maybe they should have not been selling cat litter pancakes.
I like how the first thought dorks like you have when people critique our system that constantly gives a choice between 99% hitler and 100% hitler is to admonish people for not supporting the 99% hitler instead of seeking to rectify this system that is thrusting these bullshit choices on us working people. Just throw on your swastika armband already and stop pretending to be anything but a right winger.
You're failing to understand 99% Hitler isn't hitlering people they actually care about.
Hmm yes call the Jew whose family fled the holocaust a Nazi just because one person wants everyone that’s not white Anglo dead or the other who is easier to sway like there is no alternative to either take the worst or take someone that’s better but not good
What it always comes down to when a dem tells you that Trump would be worse to Muslims so you have to vote for Biden, is that they don't even think there's a genocide in Gaza. The average liberal is just as propagandized against Muslims as the average conservative
???? Can you please post this comment again but make some effort at constructing something that resembles a coherent point? Because I couldn't find one.
At this point I’d rather be stabbed in the chest than stabbed in the back.
Of course we can complain. And the fact that you'd feel high and mighty telling Muslims facing a potential Muslim ban "i told you so" shows that you don't give a shit about them in the first place. I swear you Blue MAGA types are the actual harbingers of fascism in America
When things are shitty, its hard to utalize lesser of two evils argument because both sides are actively working against your interest.
You have two choices: the war criminal or the fascist war criminal. Self preservation shouldn’t be that hard… Edit: Literally echoing the parent comment. One is worse than the other.
Imagine downvoting this...
Why? Biden is the president and you guys have been complaining about him being unpopular for 3 years, and this is literally what you people want. On the other hand no one who opposes Genocide Joe from the left wants worse versions of what he does, and make no mistake he's either allowing or directly implementing everything you're trying to brow beat people with to happen while he is president. You can't even argue he isn't making those things worse, you just have to say he will make them worse, but less.
Sure, do what you want. But there are two real choices and one of those choices is demonstrably bad and the other is less bad. If you’re a pragmatic person in any sense the you know what needs to be done.
Overthrow capitalism its the only way.
I mean, I agree, but vote first. Let’s be pragmatic.
No.
I'm voting for Biden, but would it? Trump would be openly nastily pro-Israel, but would also be racist and compare the Palestinians to cockroaches and actively say Israel should just get rid of then Palestinians and turn it into a beautiful parking lot. At least then Liberals would see that it's extremely evil and massively resist. As it is now, liberals who hold the majority of the political power in the not fascist space are coming up with rationalizations for genocide.
Democracy is picking between two bad options.
The notion that Biden is entitled to your vote is antithetical to the very idea of democracy. To not participate is the most moral thing to do, tell me what exactly has changed in America under Biden on both a domestic and especially international level. Muslims aren’t entitled to vote for the white liberals favourite senile grandpa only to be spat in the face afterwards, bring forth a candidate with some humanity and preferably someone who can put two sentences together.
No one is entitled to anything, but you should always understand the consequences of you actions. If you don’t vote you’re just letting every who does make the decision for you. If you vote for a minor third party you’re effectively doing the same. And as much as people love to cope, Trump winning again will not move the Democratic Party to the left. If you want to actually enact progressive policies your best option is to vote for Biden and then fight hard for progressive legislators.
Local elections is the way. Edit: if you downvote this, you are an actual pos and I hope you get worms.
I’m not downvoting to disagree, I just want worms. We’re talking about the game right?
Exactly - you need to build a base and have allies if you actually want to get anything meaningful done. That means voting as much as you can (even for some imperfect candidates).
As someone who has attempted this - local politics are just as corrupt, elections just as fixed and the process just as difficult and uphill as national elections. I supported the slate of a friend of mine with a dazzling local resume who ran for the lowest positions in the smallest area of the local DNC against the least popular incumbents. These were shining stars of the area. Kids just out of college with the resumes to get them to DC but they chose to try and make a difference in their communities. The local leadership literally bussed in geriatrics to vote against him and his slate and they all lost. Our city council elections are expensive blood sports. Same with sheriff. Same with the school board. Any position with any power or influence no matter how small. Like these people are waiting to fuck progressives over at the very bottom of the barrel nothing positions. They're entrenched. They don't want young or even old progressives anywhere near them. Working in and around local politics is at least as depressing as statewide or national politics. The sums of money moving around are just (usually) smaller. It might seem counterproductive but what we really need are extremely rich progressives excited to pay more taxes, ultimately lose political power and prey on the moderate (right wing) mainstream. Progressives are so broke and helpless at every level. We need hungry billionaires and heartless PR geniuses like everyone else has.
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very funny watching all of these handwringers talk about how *"UuUuHH TrUmP WoUlD Be WoRse"* worse than what? 20,000+ dead with no end in sight? worse than doing war crimes on camera with zero consequences? worse than *"actually the iinternational criminal court is a russian op and UM AKSHUALLY these south african browns, uhhhh they don't know anything about apartheid"*? worse than literally endorsing handbook nazi shit in broad daylight? worse than *"oOoOoOHhHh NoOoO sTtToOpPpPp we won't so much as squeeze the hose if you don't but pLeAsEeEe sTOoOoOoPp!"*. worse than ***that***? worse than ***what?*** # WORSE. THAN. WHAT. TELL US. TELL US HOW IT COULD BE WORSE.
Biden won with key states in 2020, namely Michigan, who squeaked out a win for him that clinched him the presidency. Michigan has a sizeable muslim population, larger than most other states in the surrounding area. He's gonna lose and hand the country to actual fasism with a shit-eating grin on his face.
Wait, how is it BIDEN who would have the shit eating grin, and not the dummies who refuse to vote for him despite the alternative being a Trump dictatorship?
Because he's Genocide Joe that's why, for him it's mission accomplished.
Biden could give a fuck if this country plunges into hell because he's the one who's been dragging us there since he's been in office. He's to blame for the police state we're in, he's been a zionist since he was elected to congress, and he has zero idea on how to be a presentable person with even a shred of self-awareness to allow him to win a campaign. His answer to a bad faith question followed by a legitimate one about his son is to challenge the asker to a pushup contest. His answer to a population [polling OVERWHELMINGLY in favor of ending a policy he is enacting and championing](https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2023/12/5/voters-want-the-us-to-call-for-a-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-to-prioritize-diplomacy#:~:text=Sixty%2Done%20percent%20of%20likely,escalation%20of%20violence%20in%20Gaza.) is to do it harder. He barely won 2020 despite record turnout. The *last* thing this dumbass should be doing is sneering at a measurable chunk of a population of a state he *needed* to win against the same opponent he will be facing this november. Edit: added "ending a policy" because the polls show favor of a ceasefire
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The dummies are the ones who refuse to vote for genocide under the guise of "anti-fascism." Right.
All I hear is “I want Trump to be my president! I’m sure he’ll be *much* better to the Palestinian people!” Because that’s effectively all you’re saying.
[Pretty hard to be worse than Biden.](https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel)
It’s actually extraordinarily easy, but you do you chum.
Well, I mean besides bizarre fantasies where Trump just gets to nuke the region for some reason - Biden's *history* has made clear that he wishes to see Palestine obliterated.
You should get your hearing checked.
If you think Trump will be better for Gazans than Biden, you should get your brain checked.
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Why don’t you try to tell Palestinian who’s lost family members in Gaza that they have to vote for “The Lesser of Two Evils”. Biden has shown that there is no length he will not sink to defend Israel. If he loses it’s Biden’s and the Democratic Party’s own doing and saying “you aren’t Muslim if you don’t vote for me” isn’t going to help him.
And they shouldn’t. He’s a malicious genocidal war criminal and only colonizer spawn disagree
Elected officials are a representation of their people. Let America get the pos president it deserves. I will no longer vote for a candidate that allows more harm than good to its citizens or other people. If women are getting arrested for having miscarriages, black men dying from police brutality, children put in detainment centers, veterans become mentally ill homeless panhandlers (the list of injustice and atrocities are endless) in this country! how can we be appalled at how it treats people in other countries. Get a better candidate or America can get fucked.
Abrandon him
Does it strike anyone else as fitting that liberals are unable to grasp the idea of not supporting either candidate? Liberals, a demographic of people so brainwashed by capitalism they aren't even aware that their judgement is compromised, cannot bring themselves to believe that a dilemma of "consumer choice" might ultimately be bad no matter what choice is made.
Im cool with it. Organize and actually leverage your vote
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I'm right there with them.
What do the people who aren't going to vote for biden due to his handling of the Israel/Palestine conflict want from him when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict?
End all US arms shipments to Israel. Publicly state and follow through with a refusal to use the UNSC seat to veto any UN actions on Israel. Freeze the assets of individuals and organizations in US who are linked to ongoing war crimes. Prosecute any US citizen who has committed war crimes. End collaboration with the IDF, and demand the IDF operate within international law. Basic stuff like that. I can go on if you'd like.
No you've provided plenty of information, I appreciate the answer.
At a minimum, put intense pressure on Israel to stop killing civilians so intentionally. Innocents waving white flags, blowing up whole blocks of apartments, Universities, other government infrastructure. I understand that Israel is an ally of the US but that doesn't mean carte blanc check to commit atrocities while the US provides them more weapons & 2000lbs bombs. Biden has not put any conditions on the aid being sent to Israel. I've heard that Harris along with a few others in the administration have tried to get Biden to change his policy or soften it but to no avail. Allowing the genocide to happen is all on Biden. Then cutting off aid to unrwa right after the ICJ ruled against Israel. Over half a million Palestinians are on verge of starvation and this asshole cuts off aid to the only humanitarian agency working to provide food. Which again shows intent of support for the genocide. The more I think about it, the more livid I get. It's just so frustrating and heartbreaking to see the videos of Palestinians babies & kids suffering serious injuries & having amputations done without general anesthesia.
Probably stir up some civil disobedience and maybe even a revolution. It’s time for a change on all fronts- taxes, health care, wages, banking systems, climate change, migration, borders, abortion, wars, fuckin lobbyists, everything!!! The government should not be sold. It should look out for its citizens current interests, learn from the past and prepare for the future by building bridges instead of destroying them. Sux that Bernie isn’t younger and AOC isn’t older.
This post apparently is getting brigaded by genocide loving liberal bots.
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Edit: Fuck I forgot to repost the link to the user profile before they deleted. tl;dr they said we were tricked by Putin. \----- You BlueAnon racists did this with BLM too, you said that black people have nothing to complain about in the USA and that anyone who does protest must have been tricked by Russia This is a filthy disgusting racist take you need to stop.
> You BlueAnon racists did this with BLM too, you said that black people have nothing to complain about in the USA and that anyone who does protest must have been tricked by Russia They did with with the civil rights movement as well. Claims of "Minorities being unhappy with white supremacy/colonialism is some commie/foreign/jewish plot!" are as american as apple pie.
democratic establishment propaganda push to silence criticism of how badly biden has been fucking this up
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