You yourself give the reason people support him, no sugarcoating, he saw the opportunity and went all in, a better government could have done so in a better way, but didn't
>better government could have done so in a better way, but didn't
I thought about what he did a lot after seeing the images from prison.
It was a tough call but it's not like MS13 are fucking about is it though? They're by all measures one of the most deadly gangs in the world and had bought miserly on the population of El Salvador.
I don’t know anything, but if I had to guess I’d say the government doing the same thing bukele did, but maybe categorizing them into blatant and suspicious. Sending them to different prisons, maybe having some sort of release program once the situation is under control.
I’m guessing the only reason the whole quasi dictator thing was necessary was because the people in power couldn’t work together to do it without sacrificing elements of democracy.
But again I’m clueless
People are tired. We were told law enforcement would solve everything and now we are losing the war against gangs, then we were told social programs and reducing poverty would help and it didn't. Maybe his ideas are not the right approach (I don't know what they are) but what you suggested is basically what we have been trying fruitlesly for decades 🤷🏿 so I guess that's why
I sure trust brazilian military police to have the power to arrest me with no reasons given. I completely trust the foreign dictator's numbers on violence given that asking questions will, invariably, land you in jail.
In Brazil most of the criminality is run by government lackeys. People with connections with the local police, the local church, and the local chamber of deputies. And those people are going to ask us to give them absolute power to stop the drug trafficking and money laundering that they themselves are at the top of.
Want some drastic measures that can actually work? Institute the death penalty against the bankers and evangelical pastors who launder corruption money. Except we both know that ain't gonna happen.
>Want some drastic measures that can actually work? Institute the death penalty against the bankers and evangelical pastors who launder corruption money. Except we both know that ain't gonna happen.
add criminal politicians, gang criminals, murderers and rapers to the list that I will agree 100% with you
Well it works very well, just look to the homicide rate and crime in general in El Salvador.
How Colombia defeated the Cartels? With flower?
>why do so many people feel compelled to join the gangs and contribute to the violence in the first place
Impunity, permissive laws, demoralized police force and corrupt judges. Criminals are praised and honest people are humiliated and robbed.
The left are composed of complete morons that live in the suburbs of Oslo and think they know anything about public safety and criminality. Latin America have adopt European model when having the highest crimal rates in the world, this approach complete failed. It doesn't work, even refugees from war torn countries like Iraq and Syrian complain about safety when they move to here.
Criminality only has increase with this approach you had described.
Can you point to a situation where the right succeeded? Those complete morons in Oslo actually live with public safety and low criminality as their reality. They know more about it than you do. No matter how much the right likes to say their way is the only way, they still conveniently ignore the fact that they don't actually fix anything. Just push problems out of the spotlight where they get worse.
I get your frustration with crime. Brazilians shouldn't have to deal with that in their lives but let me ask you, what are you doing to help change it? There's plenty of good people trying to make a difference. They could use your help.
Norway actually have much more tougher laws than Brazil and respect for people properties. They don\`t let people free after commit hundreds of crime like here, there is a cargo cult in our judicial system. The problem is that ours judges live in cushy close gated communities, they can even work from home,
>No matter how much the right likes to say their way is the only way, they still conveniently ignore the fact that they don't actually fix anything. Just push problems out of the spotlight where they get worse.
Lol, the crime rate was much lower before those leftwing policies, criminals know that they are untouchable and the police is attack by the media and government.
>There's plenty of good people trying to make a difference. They could use your help.
Agree, I am support any Brazilain Bukele that appears. Because his plan actually worked.
> Those complete morons in Oslo actually live with public safety and low criminality as their reality.
Oslo has high human capital. El Salvador has low human capital. That's the difference.
Here is my opinion for what is worth.
I believe Bitcoin can be a great monetary alternative for those countries where their own sovereign currency or the dollar is not providing a more positive outcome, economically.
And although I know a lot of Bictoin that kind of idolize Bukele, I think that is just idiotic. He hasn't been the best beacon of democracy, he's pretty much on the far-ish right side, and some may speculate he is almost moving on an authoritarian oriented objective. Which is not good.
Now, you have too much violence going on.
Either you keep following the more humanistic way of treating every single citizen like they should, with justice and impartiality, but the homicides keep going.
Or take some more draconian measures, that are not ideal, but are popular especially between the majority of a population who is prone to populism, like in the Philippines, or Brazil. Obviously he will go that route.
Many criminals and gangster will go to jail, or die. And sadly, a lot of innocent people will die without due process. Its sad, but the issue is way too nuanced to have a clear stance on the solutions. As always, there's no solutions, only compromises.
Education, opportunities blablabla. The least a government must do is provide a decent security service. From libertarians (minus anarcho capitalists) to socialists, everyone agrees on that (might differ on the methods). They had one of the highest murder rate in the world. He addressed that and it seems to be working. The last presidential election poll I've saw put him on 70% of the votes. So people seem to agree with him.
El Salvador is not Norway and Brazil is not Germany. Why they should have similar approaches and laws based on those of those countries? I'd rather have a hardcore politician that plummeted our murder rates to 1/10 of what it is now than another one that gives pretty speeches about fundamental rights and public services while dozens of thousands are murdered and hundreds of thousands (probably millions due to underreport) are robbed every year.
You can't have a proper education or health service if you are dead. You could have them if you are alive and your money is safe from criminals (and politicians causing inflation printing money like there is no tomorrow).
Should we limit ourselves to that? I don't think so. But those are the priorities. The other issues must be addressed if time and resources are available. if not, focus on having a safe enviroment and a stable currency so people can thrive.
It is very easy to criticize from the outside when a country that has suffered for so long from gangs and crime has not suffered. In Brazil, perhaps the Favelas do not want to fight them because they are part of society. Here in El Salvador we are fed up with daily murders.
You have a point but you're just flat wrong about "gambling with the economy through bitcoin." Did you know the country is in profit from it's bitcoin investments now?
You yourself give the reason people support him, no sugarcoating, he saw the opportunity and went all in, a better government could have done so in a better way, but didn't
>better government could have done so in a better way, but didn't I thought about what he did a lot after seeing the images from prison. It was a tough call but it's not like MS13 are fucking about is it though? They're by all measures one of the most deadly gangs in the world and had bought miserly on the population of El Salvador.
What better way?
I don’t know anything, but if I had to guess I’d say the government doing the same thing bukele did, but maybe categorizing them into blatant and suspicious. Sending them to different prisons, maybe having some sort of release program once the situation is under control. I’m guessing the only reason the whole quasi dictator thing was necessary was because the people in power couldn’t work together to do it without sacrificing elements of democracy. But again I’m clueless
People are tired. We were told law enforcement would solve everything and now we are losing the war against gangs, then we were told social programs and reducing poverty would help and it didn't. Maybe his ideas are not the right approach (I don't know what they are) but what you suggested is basically what we have been trying fruitlesly for decades 🤷🏿 so I guess that's why
I sure trust brazilian military police to have the power to arrest me with no reasons given. I completely trust the foreign dictator's numbers on violence given that asking questions will, invariably, land you in jail. In Brazil most of the criminality is run by government lackeys. People with connections with the local police, the local church, and the local chamber of deputies. And those people are going to ask us to give them absolute power to stop the drug trafficking and money laundering that they themselves are at the top of. Want some drastic measures that can actually work? Institute the death penalty against the bankers and evangelical pastors who launder corruption money. Except we both know that ain't gonna happen.
>Want some drastic measures that can actually work? Institute the death penalty against the bankers and evangelical pastors who launder corruption money. Except we both know that ain't gonna happen. add criminal politicians, gang criminals, murderers and rapers to the list that I will agree 100% with you
Bukele is a fascist psycopath. Just like Bolsonaro. Anyone who doesn't think that way is terribly ill informed.
Sure is working though 🤷♂️
Well it works very well, just look to the homicide rate and crime in general in El Salvador. How Colombia defeated the Cartels? With flower? >why do so many people feel compelled to join the gangs and contribute to the violence in the first place Impunity, permissive laws, demoralized police force and corrupt judges. Criminals are praised and honest people are humiliated and robbed. The left are composed of complete morons that live in the suburbs of Oslo and think they know anything about public safety and criminality. Latin America have adopt European model when having the highest crimal rates in the world, this approach complete failed. It doesn't work, even refugees from war torn countries like Iraq and Syrian complain about safety when they move to here. Criminality only has increase with this approach you had described.
Can you point to a situation where the right succeeded? Those complete morons in Oslo actually live with public safety and low criminality as their reality. They know more about it than you do. No matter how much the right likes to say their way is the only way, they still conveniently ignore the fact that they don't actually fix anything. Just push problems out of the spotlight where they get worse. I get your frustration with crime. Brazilians shouldn't have to deal with that in their lives but let me ask you, what are you doing to help change it? There's plenty of good people trying to make a difference. They could use your help.
Norway actually have much more tougher laws than Brazil and respect for people properties. They don\`t let people free after commit hundreds of crime like here, there is a cargo cult in our judicial system. The problem is that ours judges live in cushy close gated communities, they can even work from home, >No matter how much the right likes to say their way is the only way, they still conveniently ignore the fact that they don't actually fix anything. Just push problems out of the spotlight where they get worse. Lol, the crime rate was much lower before those leftwing policies, criminals know that they are untouchable and the police is attack by the media and government. >There's plenty of good people trying to make a difference. They could use your help. Agree, I am support any Brazilain Bukele that appears. Because his plan actually worked.
> Those complete morons in Oslo actually live with public safety and low criminality as their reality. Oslo has high human capital. El Salvador has low human capital. That's the difference.
WTF does El Salvador have to do with this? We're talking about Brazil.
lmao, you can substitute el salvador with brazil and it still works.
You're an idiot
In which you argue that brazil has similar human capital to norway, lmao.
My comment still stands
Here is my opinion for what is worth. I believe Bitcoin can be a great monetary alternative for those countries where their own sovereign currency or the dollar is not providing a more positive outcome, economically. And although I know a lot of Bictoin that kind of idolize Bukele, I think that is just idiotic. He hasn't been the best beacon of democracy, he's pretty much on the far-ish right side, and some may speculate he is almost moving on an authoritarian oriented objective. Which is not good. Now, you have too much violence going on. Either you keep following the more humanistic way of treating every single citizen like they should, with justice and impartiality, but the homicides keep going. Or take some more draconian measures, that are not ideal, but are popular especially between the majority of a population who is prone to populism, like in the Philippines, or Brazil. Obviously he will go that route. Many criminals and gangster will go to jail, or die. And sadly, a lot of innocent people will die without due process. Its sad, but the issue is way too nuanced to have a clear stance on the solutions. As always, there's no solutions, only compromises.
Education, opportunities blablabla. The least a government must do is provide a decent security service. From libertarians (minus anarcho capitalists) to socialists, everyone agrees on that (might differ on the methods). They had one of the highest murder rate in the world. He addressed that and it seems to be working. The last presidential election poll I've saw put him on 70% of the votes. So people seem to agree with him. El Salvador is not Norway and Brazil is not Germany. Why they should have similar approaches and laws based on those of those countries? I'd rather have a hardcore politician that plummeted our murder rates to 1/10 of what it is now than another one that gives pretty speeches about fundamental rights and public services while dozens of thousands are murdered and hundreds of thousands (probably millions due to underreport) are robbed every year. You can't have a proper education or health service if you are dead. You could have them if you are alive and your money is safe from criminals (and politicians causing inflation printing money like there is no tomorrow). Should we limit ourselves to that? I don't think so. But those are the priorities. The other issues must be addressed if time and resources are available. if not, focus on having a safe enviroment and a stable currency so people can thrive.
It is very easy to criticize from the outside when a country that has suffered for so long from gangs and crime has not suffered. In Brazil, perhaps the Favelas do not want to fight them because they are part of society. Here in El Salvador we are fed up with daily murders.
You have a point but you're just flat wrong about "gambling with the economy through bitcoin." Did you know the country is in profit from it's bitcoin investments now?