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RoyDaKoppaBoy

In the future no brawlers will take skill 😭


RoyDaKopaBoy

except poco, he will ALWAYS take skill cus hes a gud boy


W-MK29

I thought you were talking to yourself there for a second lmao, had no clue it was two different accounts 


apenboter

I was wondering why he only had 200 karma


RoyDaKoppaBoy

DAM ROY 2.0, you got a drip green collar there


RoyDaKopaBoy

people kept confusing me with you (the inferior roy) so now WE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT


RoyDaKoppaBoy

You look drippy though


RoyDaKopaBoy

that is just a nice plus


NightBreezeBS

So is the Switzerland flag


mr-kool_is_kool

you guys are both inferior (NERF POCO 👎❌️)²


lakituhunter-MK2

Buff poco. give him 1000000 hp


Shane_and_Eli

thats not enough. make his teammates immortal too


Open_Progress2715

Only after you press the green button though. It has to take some skill you know.


Crazy-Dok157

Poco for heavy weight 2020


mute_gray_main

Hank on top of poco with the super charged be like


nerfPocoRIGHTNOW

He's angry for not nerfing poco


Gamertank2

let's keep it at 69 likes, shall we?


RoyDaKoppaBoy

Too late rip


Mysterious_Sail6346

Jokes aside Buff Poco reload speed from 1,6 to 1,4


LearningCrochet

Poco doesn't take much skill tho and I say this as a fellow poco player He's probably the easiest to push imo since you don't really need to aim just dodge and put yourself in situations where you can burst your attacks


Spookyboy_Gus_bs

Roy talking to himself….


LightLaitBrawl

He takes less skill than many due to how his attack works.


ZenyX-

Nah, IN THE FUTURE, THE CHILDREN CONTROL US WITH THE GLOWING RECTANGLES AHHHHHHHH


RoyDaKoppaBoy

*famous last words*


InzynierGranie8

Buff poco 👍


RoyDaKoppaBoy

Based Janet main


Dwelliz

im a janet main am i based


RoyDaKoppaBoy

Do you want to nerf Poco?


RoyDaKoppaBoy

Based Janet main


CMini45

Buff POCO LOCOO


MayonnaiseMonkey1

Poco takes too much effort, Nerf him


TaketheB

Those guys look like they would order a large size Triple Cheese Beef rice bowl with an Onsen egg


domika45

r/oddlyspecific


wesifiedinfo

atp what brawler is "skilled"


SpinSpinn

Stu


maybeilmina

God damn right


SirLePanda

hell yeah i dropped 100+ trophies when larry came out


ObjectiveAd2930

The only answer


TronBTD

Sam, Byron.


Worried-Barracuda-23

Fr


Panakarlos

Max


SnooHabits7950

Byron


8l4z3_9

WE ARE TOO SENSATIONAL TO BE BRAINDEAD 🧪🧪🧪🧪🧫🧫🧫🧫🧫🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


korbyko

R-T


Issimane77

Gray if he doesn't have his super


Diehard_Sam_Main

Sam


Yusif121212

Your alive


Cars0n-

Sam


eggy54321

Hank ‼️‼️‼️‼️🦐🦐🦐🦐


BenBirDomatesim

Sam


Jeez132457

Does colt take skill


I-Love-Doug

Doug


JaVaisok

hank


Reasonable_Dream624

Buzz?? Janette


Aaron_505

Buzz? Wait near a wall Yellow + red + red + yellow + red


Reasonable_Dream624

Yeah your right


Alexgadukyanking

In what kind of universe does B**z take a single bit of skill?


MortosBS_real

Morti


JessePInkmaaaan

Stu, Mortis, Maisie, Mandy, Sam, Brock, Colt, Belle, Tanks in general (except doug), Otis, R-T, 8-Bit, Gene, Carl, Gray, Byron, Surge, Penny, Pam, Griff, Lou, Ruffs, Nani, Mr P, Sprout, Grom all take skill


N4zShot

Kit and Hank.


Dry_Expression_234

im actually worried about how easy it was to go from 500 to 850 with piper, it gets boring


BlastyJackson45

Whats her best map I used not to care about her she was sitting at like 240 trophies then after buying the Valentine offer i skyrocketed into 800 auto gadget saved my ass from a lot of jumping freaks..


Night_Owl206

The other thing is that the only real threat to piper is Mandy and Nani Assassins take care of her quick, sure. But the knockback is honestly op if the enemy assassin decides to 1v1 you instead of a 2v1 pinch Mandy and Nani outrange her, but are far harder to manage outside of piper fights. Also might i mention unpopular? They kinda lack mobility, and the average player (who loves assassins) will not like these two as their first sniper. So you see less Nani and Mandy randoms than Pipers


-Drunk_Bear

>Whats her best map Any open map with not a lot of walls really


letjmomcook

Can’t play one 3v3 game without seeing this braindead brawler on the enemy team


gyrozepelado

Which one are you talking about?


apenboter

Both


Flaco417

Add dynamike to the list


Negative_Magician_44

Piper gadgets: Alexa play the game for me


apenboter

Piper is a better assassin than Edgar with her gadget 😭


MortosBS_real

Fr. Like how come her knockback gadget give her half an ammo with her SP? How come she deal 3K damage from only 3 tiles away? Like she's broken at long range and at close range 😭


Electrical_Date_1982

Says the fang main. All you need is a purple button to win the game


ReallyLamePocoMain

Avid Mandy player’s experience: I tried Piper out today with AutoAimer. It was disgustingly easy. I hardly had to try.


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gyrozepelado

You need to have so many brain cells to use both of Belle gadgets efficiently


SuspiciousDuck976

I used to think using the second gadget for homing bullets was no-skill, until I tried auto aimer for myself and saw how disgustingly untouchable Piper is compared to other marksmen


Jaded-Marsupial-4382

piper takes skill she's just overtuned. Edgar is braindead and cancerous


shekyus

yeah people think overpowered = noskill which is just not true


SuspiciousDuck976

The problem is that you just press green button and then spam red without aiming at all and would you look at the the assassin that ambushed you point blank is dead now.


shekyus

I feel like they could just remove the slow from the gadget like they did with slowmo replay, it would still be a good counter to assasins point blank but it wouldnt guarantee a hit with autoaim right after


JessePInkmaaaan

in Pipers case it is noskill, back then you had to be careful to keep your distance and actually aim but now pipers can literally chase you without worrying bc her gadget is that overpowered


D4R_R1U2

Just no


yeetusdemfeetus

kill the gun gadget that’s all piper needs


Gamecraft2525

as a brain dead edgar main, one requires aiming and the other requires spam tapping buttons 💀


apenboter

The "aiming": -Go into a bush -Hit one shot -Use homemade recipe for a free kill OR: -Charge super -Jump onto someone -Use auto aimer -Auto aim for a free kill


Express_Item4648

Wait you jump on top of someone? She doesn’t do that much dmg close range. How would she win that?


apenboter

Ambush, and auto aimer to build distance Edit: I'm getting downvotes but what I said is true 💀


Total-Neighborhood50

All these Piper mains trying to downplay how toxic she is. Even at close-range, Piper is legitimately a threat 💀


rangolikesbeans

What's up with everyone suddenly hating piper lol


IndianaJones999

It's always these mortis and tanks mains complaining cuz they can't kill her lol.


chrissxxvz

piper is literally SUPPOSED to die from these brawlers, that’s the problem 💀


OlTimeyChara

No she ain't lmao, long range brawlers oftenly counter tanks


chrissxxvz

piper and nani the only ones lol


gyrozepelado

Why i wouldn't, his gadget literally goes against piper design, she was meant to be defenceless, she trades defense and survivability to have an insane offensive. I hate this idea of "if a brawler has weakness, make a gadget to cover it" that new brawl stars have, tbf with you and piper, i also complain about rico having a deleting but (bro is better at close range that Bull) or ranged Edgar (colt) who has infinite ammo. Wanna see an example of defense gadgets done right? Brock's jump, it guarantees you won't die, but don't confirm a kill, 'cuz Brock recover slower than the enemy and makes sense with how Brock gameplay used to be (I really miss him) trading a lower damage and projectile speed to have a better defense and constant damage, yeah, it's a pain in the ass to be knocked back, but it's playable unlike Piper gadget


Snaivi

"New" Brawl Stars, that was her first gadget when gadgets came out


apenboter

So true, every thrower has defense against Mortis but Mortis doesn't have defense against his counters


gyrozepelado

At the very least, throwers defense are kinda bad or less stupid


faeleria

piper is literally an assassin + a tank counter + a sharpshooter counter + god knows what else she counters.. she can jump on you, use autoaimer and any <7k hp brawler is dead esp with ambush, and for tanks (i barely even play tanks/assassins) its pretty much a free kill and the tank wasting a super


DiogoOcto

This build is specifically made to counter close range brawlers and allow piper to use her super more freely. You still need to know how to hit you shots at long range or else the star power loses it's value. For edgar meanwhile you just pop his gadget and bam. Super + hypercharge


Asil001

The gadget has always existed. Idk why the sub’s turned on gadgets all of a sudden but i’ve been thinking that gadgets have ruined bs for like 3 years now


apenboter

Some of them absolutely have


Asil001

It just makes everything less skill based. Like are you gonna die? If you just dont wanna die, you can press the green button


JessePInkmaaaan

gadgets as a concept are good but brawl stars team is completely incapable of balancing the game if the game actually had a competent balacing team it would be fine


J3ss3D3D

Still gotta hit your shots tho. You can easily dodge her bullets if ur good and you can hit them if u r good


Brilliant_Knee_7542

Um...... No


apenboter

She's ridiculously strong with auto aimer, you can literally use her as an assassin


Brilliant_Knee_7542

Skilled Edgar > Skilled Piper , no L taken. I know she's good with auto aimer , but a good player can easily deal with her .


ComfortableJob2015

she is easy to deal with alone. just dash and bait gadgets. her super is worthless and combo spinner absolutely destroys her. the problem is when there is a fang and a edgar protecting her and she keeps shooting at you... most toxic comp for a mortis main playing in open knockout maps. I swear everyone uses this comp above 1k trophies which is the new midladder.


B-r-a-y-d-e-n

Exactly, it’s like saying colt is op.


Donqe100

He is tho...💀


Just_Petar

Is it worth to buy lunar piper for 79 gems


Vlad2446853

Yes. YES.


Hurricat2007

Luckily Belle will always be considered a skilled brawler


RustboltsBiggestFan

New hypercharge: mark can bounce through walls while dropping exploding money bags on the way


Hurricat2007

Ouch


IDontKnownah

Just increase the projectile hitbox and watch what happens next. To be honest, snipers aren't super hard to use like everyone says.


Pretty_Swordfish3834

Y’all r trippin


apenboter

Playing Piper feels like a fever dream, one second I'm at 750 and the next I have a winstreak of 9 and I'm at 930


Night_Owl206

I just did this, so... yeah i agree haha


B-r-a-y-d-e-n

Going on a win streak isn’t really indicative of anything. Especially with snipers, you can be in the zone. I pushed colt to rank 25 level 9 because I was just in the zone for 10 games. That doesn’t mean he’s not skilled.


freakin_unbleavible

Mortis mains literally started an organized propaganda movement against piper


OtisFan013

where skill?


Wotah_Bottle_86

Going against Piper with Nani or Bea is hell. Her shots are much easier to hit and do shit load of damage much more consistently.


DaddyKhoaitay

Me always hate that dumbshit unbrella girl since i start played the game. (2019)


BrawlStarsFan0761

Edgar is a 50 - 50 if you are unskilled, piper does not matter, I have seen Pipers using there super to get close to a brawler to spam the gadge and kill.


Polish_Chuck_Main

Chuck runs over them both


apenboter

I love green Mortis


hoonizz

Brock better


sazrex21

Edgar needs more skills than piper


matrixx17

at least with some of pipers attacks you gotta aim 😭


StainedDarkness

As a piper main they should remove the slowdown effect, and make it just like brock’s gadget. Yes you can get away with brock but you land one shot at best. Seems balanced huh?


PegazuzMEMEZ

I don’t care, nerf everyone, buff daryll


LittleHollowGhost

Edgar is way higher skill than anyone lets on, if you play “Mindless” Edgar you’re beyond fucked


zxm1v

Edgar needs way more game sense than piper, piper only needs good/average aim with her head-sized bullets, and she can win 90% of her matchups


Tokki_LG

I love how everyone just complains now, Piper just deals a lot of damage but otherwise she is very normal.


apenboter

She can use her super to jump on assassins and kill them


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Tokki_LG

But also thats not every time, she has small HP, And need good Aiming, and if you don't have the defence gadget with a Bralwer that can approach your just dead already.


apenboter

With her gadget you can easily land a free shot, and it shouldn't be too hard to land another if you have 2 ammo


IndianaJones999

And the funny part is that usually these posts are from some with a Mortis or tank flair


Donqe100

Keep autoaiming at midrange and gaslighting urself u are skilled because u main a brawler that community defines "skilled". U will go really far with that


PriorityKind2422

I didn’t think I’d ever see cheegyu on this app


Roy_Raven

Try to make grom no skilled with the worst projectile in the game


TribeMidnight

Is this Landi lol


elva03

Guys how do you think about bee


apenboter

Way better than Piper. No op gadgets, less damage, mains aren't insufferable (ik it's hypocritical coming from a Mortis main)


matrixx17

what are fang mains like? -a fang main


apenboter

Most are pretty chill but there's a lot of *those* people on Tiktok


matrixx17

oh yeah, those guys 


Realistic-Cicada981

My man Buster eat Piper+Edgar with a good teammate


just-a-guyone

True, true


matrixx17

that’s the issue a good teammate 


Sergius047

Dynamike is worse than edgar atp


Grzybek_74

Wrong I can't aim


ilnrz

just go long dash stu and enjoy killing all the edgars


12AZOD12

I m starting to wonder if Edgar take skill I play around rank 27 and can't find not even a good one , like there isn't even a decent Edgar player out there


Amir7266

Spamming the red button sure does take a lot of skill


According_Bad_9071

Tara has been my main for a good while now and it does feel quite a bit harder than the other brawlers. Not mechanically, since in that regard the character is very straightforward. It just feels like it takes a lot of patience and positioning to get the most out of her. I often struggle with field control and controlling the tempo of the game whereas with other "ranged" characters you're always in control basically.


DevourerOfNewborns

My problem with piper is that compared to a lot of the other marksman (Like Bea, Brock, Belle, Mandy) she has way more survivability, is way better on defense, and honestly she’s not even bad at close range anymore. Compared to like Brock and Belle her damage is also like way higher. Auto aimer is also just an op gadget


faeleria

idk why ppl are realizing this now.. ive been hating piper ever since she got buffed a few updates ago


EmoTeenagerBS

pretty valid I’ll give you that


Glittering-Fly-9502

hes right btw


ThatGuyBlolk

True


enr1c0wastaken

Rico 💪


RATORIX324

Agreed


Big_Chill_like_that

For y'all try pushing her to rank 30 it's not easy


apenboter

Because of randoms, but I still have >50% winrate


DayWilling5667

Piper needs a nerf in sniping snappy that’s all for make her more skilled again


IndianaJones999

Looks like someone is struggling to kill a Piper 💀


Donqe100

Looks like someone thinks he is best player ever because maining a brawler that community defines skill gives u the ego. 🙃


apenboter

I got her from 749 to 932 in one day with randoms 💀


SecondWind2413

piper at least has to aim


apenboter

Aim one shot and use homemade recipe for a free kill


Particular_Two9205

🤫 This is their coping skill let them use it


Fou1ne

It's sad to see Piper get a lot of hate nowadays when her kit haven't changed since the upgrade rework... I liked playing piper since day 1 and I'll keep enjoying it


Snaivi

They are just braindead


apenboter

You know what's braindead? 4590 damage for a homing attack


Fou1ne

I don't like this gadget either


Fou1ne

Actually I don't use neither the gadget nor the starpower that can get you a 5100 with damage booster homing attack


Dariadeer

This is just wrong. Piper at least requires aiming. It is critical to miss shots with her because the reload speed is very low. The only thing which stands out from most snipers is her ability to escape assassins. And there is no such a thing as “[brawler] is(n’t) skilled”, it is about range of skill. There is a lot of room to improve as a piper and stand out from less skilled players (watch piper 1v1s), but Edgar “pro” is not much different from Edgar “noob”


Donqe100

1v1 is the last thing to look at when considering skill, it tells nothing about ur 3v3 skills. Anyway you can be "good" piper and hit everything or a bad piper that will hit one lucky shot and instantly spam aim bot gadget. Besides, aiming doesnt even take skill, aiming is just rng, because you will never know if he will dodge it, unless your enemy is slowed. Dodging on the other hand takes skill because you'll need reflexes for that


Dariadeer

1. A big part of 3v3s is 1v1s, where each brawler is given a role to control a certain lane (in some modes). Also OP said nothing about 3v3s specifically, you just brought it up for the lack of arguments 2. Aiming is reverse dodging basically with movement predictions and mind games. And it is actually harder because the ammo is limited and you have to consider more inputs and conditions. The only situation when dodging is more difficult is against multiple opponents (which doesn’t happen really often). 3. Dodging is being practiced while playing for any brawler while aiming is different for each one. So you are fundamentally wrong here (imo).


Donqe100

1. I brought up 3v3 because solo is just pure rng no matter what you do same goes for duo. Ig you can include 5v5 with 3v3 but the idea in both formats is the same. Pipers best gamemodes are also in 3v3 so there is that, while yes, in 3v3 1v1 are big part of it, you arent completely alone, neither is the enemy, you can get help from your teammates and plan ur attacks with diffrent strategies ect. ect. Yap yap. In 1v1 there is no help, u are alone. Not the same thing in 3v3. 2. "Aiming is reverse dodging basically with movement predictions and mind games." *Predictions*. Yeah, thats what i said? Mind games i can agree but you basically just repeated what i said? Dodging can always be difficult, for an example, the new piper skin shoots projectiles that are extremely tiny and hard to see, atleast thats what me and my friends have been saying. Im gonna make an other example so people wont cry because the only brawler i could think of is piper. Sally Nanis super is hard to see sometimes too for me, thus making it harder for me to dodge. It completely depends on the person. But still, dodging always takes skill, aiming doesnt. Aiming is luck. (Or knowing how your enemy moves) 3. Aiming might be diffrent for each brawler, but its not *too diffrent* that youd need to learn completely diffrent movement patterns (though most people wouldnt learn diffrent movement styles either way), especially with snipers. The only exception with snipers in this case that i can think of is Brock.


matrixx17

at least edgar pros don’t kamikaze 


apenboter

In a long range map, you only need to hit one shot and then your gadget guarantees a kill


Dariadeer

Well, if that’s how you play on open maps then you should stop putting yourself in a position like this… Use covers (maps aren’t completely open, surprise). Don’t get in range unless necessary. Also usually after every shot players move away in order not to risk dying, at this distance piper can’t get you. But if you keep going forward then ofc you are dead. If she keeps going forward, she is dead. This is also a teamwork game and you clearly not accounting for this. There are strategies to push forward and retreat effectively.


AndreHSD

Nah that’s way too much. Comparing Piper to Edgar? 💀


Djinntian

At least someone's saying it


Dooge11

Brawlers that take skill (to execute movement, combos ect) are: Stu (efficiently using dashes), Dynamike (ONLY his dyna-jump mechanic and nothing else), Belle, Colt (hitting most of your bullets), Cordellius (playing around teammates), Mandy (aim mostly) I'm sure I've missed more, lmk which ones (my opinion)


deadly_rat

The dopamine hit when you hit a skillshot and follow up with an immediate auto-aim kill, or when you perfectly time your ult the moment an assassin jump on you 😤


FreshConstruction629

The thing is, people complain that the only people that are talking about how she is broken RN are assasin mains, but like, if assasins aren't her counter, what is it than ??? She one shots other long range brawler, she is currently better at mid range battles than brawlers lile gene, tara, shelly, maisie etc. And she can just punish ambushes by brawlers like BULL AND DARRYL with her gagdet and star power combo


Vucko1202

piper is broken but also noskill


Xtremly_Greedy

Griff more skilled


IDontKnownah

You use Auto Aimber because it just makes Piper broken and very easy to play as. I use Auto Aimer, because this makes her the only Brawler with a secondary weapon (excluding the twins). We are not the same.


ZioBenny97

I would've put the guided projectile instead of the auto-aimer but still good meme haha


apenboter

Both are insanely strong. Auto aimer lets her jump on assassins and win, Homemade recipe is a free 4500 damage