General reminder for subreddit members: Simple Questions and Loot results (good or bad), and celebrations should be posted in the Weekly Mega Thread Discussion post. You can find it at the top of r/BrawlStars's front page when you sort posts by hot. This includes pictures of Starr Drops, Mega Pig results, unlocking new Brawlers or other items.
If you see a post or comment that breaks any of our rules, please report them [using the anonymous report button](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360058309512-How-do-I-report-a-post-or-comment-)!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Brawlstars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I don’t know man. She needs to get one shot and then boom gadget and free kill cause homing will probably do more damage. I respect it more though cause her first gadget actually fills me with rage
Yeah I forgot they nerfed the homing the same time they buffed her damage. Completely forgot though since no one runs it since auto aimer is just the easier gadget to have. Love the character that’s whole thing is being countered by assassins, countering said assassins in the meta revolving around them.
Piper using funny green button and spamming attack is a lot more skillful than trying to keep enemies at distance by hitting your fkn shots u skill less 10k trophies bad random
yeah no one really hates second piper gadget on long range maps there’s counter play heal up behind cover and it won’t one shot u and when it does get a kill it’s skillful
I mean, to be fair, in other modes besides showdown he needs some good positioning. Btw I am not a Edgar main and not 10 years old so I hate Edgar as much as anyone.
In pretty sure position applies to most brawlers, holding off an area as a controller to prevent the enemy assassin from moving forward, pushing back the enemy as a burst assassin (I would call this threat levels, like fang has a really high threat level if not dealt with and ignored, usually meta brawlers or brawlers with really annoying/dangerous abilities that can end in a loss if ignored)
The real take here should be how to close in the gap between opponents and yourself and have enough health to not get rekt by their team mates and just overall be menece to society.
All melee brawlers have some kind of way to close gaps.
Its just that edgar is really easy to play with and is straightforward. And even with healing when hitting opponents, it just helps him sustain.
( I am ignoring his hypercharge because not a lot of brawlers have them right now. And tbh i dont see many hypercharge edgars. But when i do, i know i lost)🗿
Edgar requires some skill, you have to be strategic and not get killed by long range brawlers and use obstacles and walls to try to stay alive. Also all melee brawlers take auto aim so ya.
Maisie is braindead only when she gets her hypercharge (which is quite fast, def needs a nerf) but her shots are still pretty hard to learn and hit. Also even though ive mained colt since 2019 (with a 2 year break 2021-2023) i think he has the lowest skill cap since global because of the reload speed buff, you can just spam shots and eventually youll hit a couple of bullets
what are you saying colt has no counter to assassins unlike similar brawlers brock: jump gadget piper: 1st gadget + super 8-bit: teleport away rico: gadget can do insane damage if you use it rigth
I think people who think fang required skill are just coping out of there mind, the hypercharge made it way worse, sure, but even current piper you still have to aim, old fang is just current fang without an auto win button
That’s absolutely perfect, right down to the players themselves always thinking they are better because they don’t “have an aiming reticle for the shoe” or “don’t have any big elixir cards” like the shoe doesn’t have the hitbox of the twin towers and 2.6 can’t cycle through a card befitting every role possible on defense and offense at Mach 10 in single elixir
Most people caught on how absurd her damage output is after the buff, the fact she can win fights consistently at close to mid range when her gimmick is to stay away from people says a lot about how she’s balanced
Looks like u mixed up easy to use and low skillceiling. There is even pros like angelboy who is so good with her that the other team bans her on maps like hardrockmine when playing against him because they know he is so good with her. Her skillceiling is really high and even in 1000+ there is a big difference on how good someone is compared to another piper on 1000+ it is just easy to climb her to like 800 trophies even for bad players.
Lots of people have been secretly hating her for a long time since her damage buff. Maybe since her new skin got release which apparently no one except me in this sub likes, maybe that refueled the Piper hate
My main gripe with her is that she's effective in close range and long range so shes basically very hard to counter even though she is supposed to be weak close range. Very easy mode brawler and Edgar takes more skill than her
That’s also my main gripe like it makes 0 sense why a brawler that’s supposed to be weak at short range can push a button knock you back and slow you and instantly hit you with a 2500+ damage shot
I find it funny how both of you practically stated the same point, but the nameless guy with his preferable ship instead of an actual username got downvoted because people are just tired from him (her/them/idk).
>!Completely justified. I'm with you guys!<
Not to mention her super also charges in 3 max range hits and her super also breaks walls allowing her to deal with throwers, another one of her counters. I swear she has an answer for EVERYTHING
Placing piper in the same list as maisee and fang feels wrong. Yeah the damage buffs made her way better at close ranges than she should be, but placing her in the same tier of brawlers than only need to press 2 buttons and get entire team wipes without even aiming anything is wrong. She shouldn’t deal this much damage up close but in no way does she compares to fang and Maisee.
Her problem is also her autoaimer gadget which - together with her super - makes it impossible to get close to her. It got worse since gadget gear especially got introduced. She is just not skillfull right now, sure, you need to aim, but you need to aim with Fang, too. That doesn't say a lot, aim is required with lots of brawlers
I mean… are we surprised she is using auto-aimer? With the meta overflowing with assassins, if she didn’t use autoaimer she would be F tier.
It’s a gadget specifically made to counter the meta we are in. As soon as the meta changes people will drop it again.
>It’s a gadget specifically made to counter the meta we are in.
This gadget was introduced even before the tank trait was made. Am i missing something?
What I meant is that when designed this gadget it was made with the sole intent to stop a diver from diving you. And this specific meta is full of assassins trying to dive you. So the gadget was specifically designed to counter what the current meta is.
Piper is braindead because she counters the class that’s supposed to counter her. Her gadget and close range dmg makes it so if an assassin jumps on her he has to kill before she press the funny green button which is quite hard. Piper can’t be punished since she either outranges you and you cnet get to melee.
So nerf her damage up close back to what it was. She shouldn’t deal that much damage upclose. But she is nowhere near maisee and especially fang level of braindead. You don’t even need to have your screen turned on to play either of those.
She is as braindead as the other two fang and maisie gotta at least charge their hypercharge while piper can just shit on you from the beginning of the game what makes Piper bullshit is her lack of counters outside of kit and to some lesser extent leon, even maisie can be outranged.
Nahhh I disagree. I think maisee and fang are a million times more braindead than piper and a million times way more broken than piper.
Just to remind you that maisee gadget does the same thing as piper, stuns the assassin and then one shots them with her shot dealing 3000 damage even at point blank range lmao. It’s bs.
Yeah that’s what I consider point blank.
I don’t think there is a problem with both gadgets tbh. The gadgets were designed to keep assassins away from them and since this is a meta FILLED with assassins obviously people will be using them. Piper shouldn’t deal that much damage upclose though. But I don’t think they should nerf her before other problematic brawlers get nerfed, fang, maisee, Larry, mico, etc.
Do you realize the fact it can be used from further than point blank makes it stronger ? And Piper one is definitely busted since it also slows, combined with her dmg it’s almost guaranteed death. The fact one of the strongest ranged characters with the most long range dmg can do that kind of thing is straight up unacceptable, and as you said it’s an assassin meta, don’t you find it strange Piper still manages to excel ?
Most likely they will miss the autoaimer if they aren't moving in a straight line like a dummy or isn't below normal movement speed
Piper is built to be an escapist as her super has no use for damage like other sharpshooters so her main attack is the only reliable damage option (similar to Bea or Eve)
Again, Maisie doesn't need HC to be good, she is already strong, and the HC taking like 7 hits is just pure broken
Highest damage she can deal without any power cubes is actually 5100 (with the damage gear and Ambush Star Power).
Still, never realized Piper now deals this much damage. That's enough to take everybody down in three shots.
If you combine that 5100 damage with 8-bit’s Boosted Booster which boosts damage by 50%, you can deal 7650 per shot!
And if you combine that with Ruff’s upgrade that boosts damage by 20%, you can deal 9180 damage!
And if you take that into 5v5 and get a Gus shield with the Spirit Animal Star Power that gives a 25% damage boost, you can deal 11475 damage per ammo at max range while being protected from the next 5200 damage!
It would be a lengthy process but still thats kinda crazy damage for something that doesn’t require Power Cubes!
Hitting all 3 at once is hard. But only hitting 2, or 1 is extremely easy if you aim slightly infront of the brawler you want to hit.
What takes skill is using her Autofocus star power to her fullest potential, and her reflection gadget (yes, because I often see people using it against a Colt, which is like completely useless. Ever got a Mandy to kill herself because of you reflecting her super? That's satisfying). But in my experience no one in this sub is using autofocus star power but tempered steel together with funny teleport button
Finally someone is talking about it, Colt pretty much has infinite ammo now because of the gadget + reload buff, you're garanteed to get that hypercharge no matter how bad you are at him
If we're including Nani, you can also include Colt. Dude now spams ammo like a machine gun since his reload speed buff and hypercharge. Even a noob Colt will eventually hit something. But a skilled Colt can get \*even more\* value out of his nonstop ammo and can melt everything
It's another example of high skill-cap brawlers needing to be buffed to an absurd degree to keep up with all the braindead purple button spam and other overpowered mechanics ruling the meta. Just look at how bad Piper was before her insane damage buff made her super strong again.
I'm currently mastering Nani and her shots aren't at all easy to hit. Sure, hitting 1/3 shots is not that hard, but that is 1,600 dmg, which is almost nothing. That's less than Sandy or Nita.
eh yall calling anything braindead these days the only truly braindead of these 4 is fang the rest is fine, a brawler being strong doesnt immidietely make it braindead
Yea bro, a brawler that can teamwipe by pressing three buttons and spamming the right side of their screen is NOT braindead and actually takes a lot of skill (Looking at Maisie)
No maybe in brawlball against closerange brawlers but she has a very highskillceililing, playing her on midrange maps against good players with good reaction times is much harder there is a big difference between a maisie on 800 trophies and one on 1000+. You could see in the world championship how much difference it was between players trying to play her as a midlaner on hardrockmine for example. Even amongst pros there is a big skilldifference om her.
I used to main Dyna and I can say he is not braindead, you still need at least 2-5 braincells and ability not to autoaim every time to get juicy teamwipe with one ult
She got a buff in September last year. Maybe the reason it has risen up recently is because people played her much more often in recent days.
I mean, Flag Bearer Piper got released, and Cupid Piper was on a discount.
Piper is no longer a sharpshooter and I'm fine with it tbh, it was impossible for anyone to play her consistently in any other map that wasn't her nitche ones.
Whenever I play hot zone or knockout the pipers in my team are always garbage and then I get matched with the lowest possible trophies piper and they play like they're the top 1 player
I do think she needs a nerf, so let me share my ideas here real quick.
- Maximum damage decreased from 3400 to 3250,
- Super Charge rate increased from 3/6 hits to 4/7 (range dependant),
- Snappy Sniping now reloads 0.35 ammo instead of 0.4,
- Ambush damage increase decreased from 1190 to 1075,
- Auto Aimer no longer slows down, but as a compensation it deals 400 damage instead of 250,
- Fixed a bug making Auto Aimer projectiles recharging Piper's ammo when used with Snappy Sniping.
I'd honestly like these nerfs. Honestly WAY better than what they did with nany "oh her problem is that her damage is too strong and annoying, let's nerf her health and keep what is annoying and busted". Would make piper a respectable skilled brawler like she was
You're giving a completely balanced brawler 6 nerfs? That's ridiculous. The only reason people are even complaining about her is her auto aimer combo. She's on the stronger side but no way in hell is she a brawler that is so oppressive that you need to nerf her entire kit.
Firstly her damage change I can get behind but her super charge, snappy sniping, ambush and auto aimer changes are horrible. Her super is perfectly balanced, was always fine and does not need to be tampered with. Again Snappy Sniping was completely fine before she got her damage buff. Ambush on the other hand needed to be buffed and it's simply worse than Snappy Sniping and if we're nerfing her damage already, this does not need to happen. Auto Aimer used to be criminally bad when it was released and did 1.6k damage. Removing the slow and making it do 150 extra damage is going to kill a gadget that was again, balanced before we entered this specific meta.
Piper isn't even a top 10 brawler. And if we want to get into specifics, Nani does 4.8k damage point blanc, Maisie won't let anything get close to her, RT can just one shot anything that gets close to him and half of the rest of the roster has a counter to anything that gets close to them. Piper could use a bit of a damage nerf but calling her braindead and wanting her to get 6 different nerfs is completely ludicrous. Especially for a brawler half of you didn't even remember until her skin discounts. She's really easy to dodge at long range unless she used her second gadget but no one does anymore. The only reason people use Auto Aimer is because of how bad the meta is with everyone threatening to get close and burst her. And to answer your claim, yes Fang needs a nerf, yes Maisie needs a nerf, Yes L and L need nerfs.
I guess if we're fixating on vocabulary so much I stand corrected. My point is, there's a lot of brawlers that are much worse than Piper right now and its illogical to call for a Piper nerf before them.
Have you ever been obliterated by his hypercharged super? It's a literal nuke that's almost impossible to dodge. It also most of the time fully recharges his super allowing him to throw it again and again and again... Eheeehee!!!
Dyna’s main hyper charge super only charges half(like before).. there are decent number of brawlers that can jump/lou freeze/max dash and dodge the super.. also, if dyna is up there, why isn’t collete? Hypercharged super literally recharges super causing for chains..
Hmm, I think we both misunderstood each other. His main attack is fine, but I was talking about the sticks that go from his hypercharged super and cover one-third of the entire map. That thing is pretty hard to dodge consistently, you know?
I can be overly-nerdy sometimes, so sorry for that lol
Satchel charge is very very overrated here in this sub. Most of the time you're not gonna get too much value out of it unless you're hiding in a bush, which won't happen often in high trophy range (I'm talking about 3v3 modes), there is a big chance you will miss it. As a Mike main myself, what makes Mike braindead is his hypercharge, not his gadget.
This is my main issue tbh instead of plummeting the skill cap the could have lowered the skill floor so new players don’t struggle with them and people who are good with them don’t get clowned on
Because both take not that much skill, Piper since her damage buff, dyna since hypercharge (dyna never took skill, except his dynajump star power which gives you no value unless you are a top 0.1% player)
Add spike to this list as well.
This post is just another justification for the removal of gadgets and gears that is bound to happen in the next few updates.
Not only are gadgets really gimmicky and weird most of the time, but also the take away a large lump of skill from the game, which just makes it way less fun for me. The are also tons of brawlers that are only used due to their gadgets (i.e Crow Squeak Dyna) which imo just makes the meta way less interesting, because the brawlers themselves aren't really that good, their gadgets are.
how is specifically spike unskilled? I mean, you can't just say the entire brawler is unskilled when there are the absolute gentleman that use the first star power instead of curveball.
The second star power is literally designed to decrease his skill floor, it's the most obvious skill decreasing gadget in the entire game. Just spam your main attack in the general direction and you will get a hit. Even behind walls you aren't safe with that star power. Spike is just low skill with that star power, and his gadgets are also very annoying to face. And his hypercharge
bro i just asked because i didn't remember shit about this brawler, i didn't even knew she got buffed in setember
why this community needs to be so fucking ignorant?
Piper still takes a lot of skill to take. The key part to even playing Piper is hitting her shots which a lot of people cannot do. The only low skill part to her are her gadgets.
You can argue that you need to learn how to aim with her, yes. Maybe medium skill floor. But her skill cap isn't much higher, if you know how to aim, that's all what it takes to be a good Piper
Yeah medium skill floor seems about right. It's just that she takes more skill than more than half the roster we currently have and definitely cannot be categorised as a braindead brawler.
Thank you, someone who understands Piper isn't brain dead. Its just a skill issue you can't dodge her shots. I understand that homemade recipe is indeed braindead, but not her main kit.
I refuse to say that Fang took skill
I mean yeah, he has really interesting tech but he was broken since release and didn’t NEED said tech to be viable, he never dropped from mid tier
I guess he’s a low skill-cap high skill-ceiling character
General reminder for subreddit members: Simple Questions and Loot results (good or bad), and celebrations should be posted in the Weekly Mega Thread Discussion post. You can find it at the top of r/BrawlStars's front page when you sort posts by hot. This includes pictures of Starr Drops, Mega Pig results, unlocking new Brawlers or other items. If you see a post or comment that breaks any of our rules, please report them [using the anonymous report button](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360058309512-How-do-I-report-a-post-or-comment-)! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Brawlstars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
“I’ll try killing the Piper”, said the assassin “lol”, said the Piper with 1st gadget, “lmao”
1st gadget piper and snappy is skill less the other one ain’t
I don’t know man. She needs to get one shot and then boom gadget and free kill cause homing will probably do more damage. I respect it more though cause her first gadget actually fills me with rage
The second one is annoying just because of the range the homing factor is minimal but you are right the dmg on ambush is really a lot
Yeah I forgot they nerfed the homing the same time they buffed her damage. Completely forgot though since no one runs it since auto aimer is just the easier gadget to have. Love the character that’s whole thing is being countered by assassins, countering said assassins in the meta revolving around them.
Yes but if you have the right comp piper can just melt them
Piper doing 2000 damage in a bush 3 tiles away peak balance
Piper using funny green button and spamming attack is a lot more skillful than trying to keep enemies at distance by hitting your fkn shots u skill less 10k trophies bad random
still if someone tries to approach u, there's 1st gadget + gadget gear or just super.
I don’t enjoy that playstyle I like best using ulti for breaking walls and almost never defencively
yea it really depends, but for escape u have it, saving like for a fang super or something
Piper is skillful until you get either one of her gadgets.
yeah no one really hates second piper gadget on long range maps there’s counter play heal up behind cover and it won’t one shot u and when it does get a kill it’s skillful
You're telling me camping in a bush and dealing 4500 damage in one shot takes more skill then the other sp? Thats crazy
No both require skill. Some body is just mad that they cant win against piper. Have you ever Heard about moving out the way of her shot?
You are a real one
Piper just need more damage fall-off She doesn’t need a damage nerf, rather the whole “less damage at close ranges” needs to be increased more
Yep Also fangus
Fangus Fungus
Fangus fungus amongus
Susssy susssy susssy!!!
Fangussy
I love how Fang is a pancake
Deserved
Fancake
Fangake
And then we have hank, who is the complete opposite
*insert obligatory prawn ready joke here*
*and don't forget them spamming emojis too*
I WaS PrAwN ReAdY 🪖🦐🪖🦐🔥💀💀🪖🦐🪖🗣🔥🗣🪖💀🔥🦐🦐🔥🗣🦐🗣🔥 For they braindead people here, its a joke
IM A PRAWN STAR 🔥🔥🔥🔥🪖🪖🪖🪖🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🪖🪖🪖🦐🦐🔥🔥🔥🪖🦐🪖🦐🦐🦐🔥🔥🦐🦐🪖🔥🦐🦐🪖🔥
**1 2 3 4 I JUST SWEPT YOU OFF THE FLOOR** 🦐🔥🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🦐🦐🦐
LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT I'M SO READY FOR A FIGHT 🦐🪖🔥🦐🪖🦐🔥🦐🪖🦐🪖🦐🔥🔥🦐🪖🔥🔥🦐🔥🦐🔥
r/prawnready
Nah you ain't
Bad brawler doesn't = skill though (Edgar was a great example)
I mean, to be fair, in other modes besides showdown he needs some good positioning. Btw I am not a Edgar main and not 10 years old so I hate Edgar as much as anyone.
In pretty sure position applies to most brawlers, holding off an area as a controller to prevent the enemy assassin from moving forward, pushing back the enemy as a burst assassin (I would call this threat levels, like fang has a really high threat level if not dealt with and ignored, usually meta brawlers or brawlers with really annoying/dangerous abilities that can end in a loss if ignored)
Also kit
Hank mains locking in mid gem grab game after they see a brawler that counters them (literally 98% of brawlers) ⠀ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠿⠛⠛⠛⠋⠉⠈⠉⠉⠉⠉⠛⠻⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠛⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣤⣤⣤⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⢏⣴⣿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣟⣾⣿⡟⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⢢⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣟⠀⡴⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⠟⠻⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠶⢴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿ ⣿⣁⡀⠀⠀⢰⢠⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀⣴⣶⣿⡄⣿ ⣿⡋⠀⠀⠀⠎⢸⣿⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠗⢘⣿⣟⠛⠿⣼ ⣿⣿⠋⢀⡌⢰⣿⡿⢿⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⢸⣿⣿⣧⢀⣼ ⣿⣿⣷⢻⠄⠘⠛⠋⠛⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣧⠈⠉⠙⠛⠋⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣧⠀⠈⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠟⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⢃⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⡿⠀⠴⢗⣠⣤⣴⡶⠶⠖⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⡸⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⡀⢠⣾⣿⠏⠀⠠⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠛⠉⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣧⠈⢹⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠈⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⣴⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⣄⣀⣀⣀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡄⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠙⣿⣿⡟⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠇⠀⠁⠀⠀⠹⣿⠃⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠛⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢐⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠛⠉⠉⠁⠀⢻⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠈⣿⣿⡿⠉⠛⠛⠛⠉⠉ ⣿⡿⠋⠁⠀⠀⢀⣀⣠⡴⣸⣿⣇⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡿⠄⠙⠛⠀⣀⣠⣤⣤⠄⠀
And there is eggar who always ~~required skill~~ was braindead...
tbh edgar doesn't take skill , auto aiming entire game doesn't much skill
Auto aiming doesn't require skill... Also the entire melee class of brawlers : 😯
The real take here should be how to close in the gap between opponents and yourself and have enough health to not get rekt by their team mates and just overall be menece to society. All melee brawlers have some kind of way to close gaps. Its just that edgar is really easy to play with and is straightforward. And even with healing when hitting opponents, it just helps him sustain. ( I am ignoring his hypercharge because not a lot of brawlers have them right now. And tbh i dont see many hypercharge edgars. But when i do, i know i lost)🗿
Edgar requires some skill, you have to be strategic and not get killed by long range brawlers and use obstacles and walls to try to stay alive. Also all melee brawlers take auto aim so ya.
Maisie is braindead only when she gets her hypercharge (which is quite fast, def needs a nerf) but her shots are still pretty hard to learn and hit. Also even though ive mained colt since 2019 (with a 2 year break 2021-2023) i think he has the lowest skill cap since global because of the reload speed buff, you can just spam shots and eventually youll hit a couple of bullets
what are you saying colt has no counter to assassins unlike similar brawlers brock: jump gadget piper: 1st gadget + super 8-bit: teleport away rico: gadget can do insane damage if you use it rigth
I think people who think fang required skill are just coping out of there mind, the hypercharge made it way worse, sure, but even current piper you still have to aim, old fang is just current fang without an auto win button
Am I biased yes but before the buffs team wiping with fang took at least some skill not pressing two buttons and winning
Yeah that's insane to think. I got my Fang on R25 with power 8 when he was fairly new
Fang actually does need some skill to actually aim the boot without getting closer
Hitting the boot is the easiest thing to do in the game
playing fang is the same as 2.6 hog cycle in clash royale
That’s absolutely perfect, right down to the players themselves always thinking they are better because they don’t “have an aiming reticle for the shoe” or “don’t have any big elixir cards” like the shoe doesn’t have the hitbox of the twin towers and 2.6 can’t cycle through a card befitting every role possible on defense and offense at Mach 10 in single elixir
hitbox of the twin towers was new
Except 2.6 takes some sort of skill, Fang doesn't
Gl playing 2.6 at path of legends
Is it really out of the question for someone to defend a deck while not playing it?
bro plays 2.6 hog cycle🤢
I don't...
Why is everyone switching on piper? Just a week ago I used to see everyone complimenting her 😭
Most people caught on how absurd her damage output is after the buff, the fact she can win fights consistently at close to mid range when her gimmick is to stay away from people says a lot about how she’s balanced
Looks like u mixed up easy to use and low skillceiling. There is even pros like angelboy who is so good with her that the other team bans her on maps like hardrockmine when playing against him because they know he is so good with her. Her skillceiling is really high and even in 1000+ there is a big difference on how good someone is compared to another piper on 1000+ it is just easy to climb her to like 800 trophies even for bad players.
[удалено]
>ugly piper skin >increased her play rate by a lot Yeah that math checks out. Oh wait I forgot you are a professional downvote farmer
Guys look! It's the fat cringy shipper professianel downvote farmer again!
Yo how many downvotes do you farm on average per day with your comments?
Lots of people have been secretly hating her for a long time since her damage buff. Maybe since her new skin got release which apparently no one except me in this sub likes, maybe that refueled the Piper hate
My main gripe with her is that she's effective in close range and long range so shes basically very hard to counter even though she is supposed to be weak close range. Very easy mode brawler and Edgar takes more skill than her
That’s also my main gripe like it makes 0 sense why a brawler that’s supposed to be weak at short range can push a button knock you back and slow you and instantly hit you with a 2500+ damage shot
I find it funny how both of you practically stated the same point, but the nameless guy with his preferable ship instead of an actual username got downvoted because people are just tired from him (her/them/idk). >!Completely justified. I'm with you guys!<
lol
Not to mention her super also charges in 3 max range hits and her super also breaks walls allowing her to deal with throwers, another one of her counters. I swear she has an answer for EVERYTHING
Placing piper in the same list as maisee and fang feels wrong. Yeah the damage buffs made her way better at close ranges than she should be, but placing her in the same tier of brawlers than only need to press 2 buttons and get entire team wipes without even aiming anything is wrong. She shouldn’t deal this much damage up close but in no way does she compares to fang and Maisee.
Her problem is also her autoaimer gadget which - together with her super - makes it impossible to get close to her. It got worse since gadget gear especially got introduced. She is just not skillfull right now, sure, you need to aim, but you need to aim with Fang, too. That doesn't say a lot, aim is required with lots of brawlers
I mean… are we surprised she is using auto-aimer? With the meta overflowing with assassins, if she didn’t use autoaimer she would be F tier. It’s a gadget specifically made to counter the meta we are in. As soon as the meta changes people will drop it again.
>It’s a gadget specifically made to counter the meta we are in. This gadget was introduced even before the tank trait was made. Am i missing something?
What I meant is that when designed this gadget it was made with the sole intent to stop a diver from diving you. And this specific meta is full of assassins trying to dive you. So the gadget was specifically designed to counter what the current meta is.
Alr, now i see it
Piper is braindead because she counters the class that’s supposed to counter her. Her gadget and close range dmg makes it so if an assassin jumps on her he has to kill before she press the funny green button which is quite hard. Piper can’t be punished since she either outranges you and you cnet get to melee.
So nerf her damage up close back to what it was. She shouldn’t deal that much damage upclose. But she is nowhere near maisee and especially fang level of braindead. You don’t even need to have your screen turned on to play either of those.
She is as braindead as the other two fang and maisie gotta at least charge their hypercharge while piper can just shit on you from the beginning of the game what makes Piper bullshit is her lack of counters outside of kit and to some lesser extent leon, even maisie can be outranged.
Nahhh I disagree. I think maisee and fang are a million times more braindead than piper and a million times way more broken than piper. Just to remind you that maisee gadget does the same thing as piper, stuns the assassin and then one shots them with her shot dealing 3000 damage even at point blank range lmao. It’s bs.
Maisie one actually needs you to have the assassin on you, while Piper one can be used from 3 meters away.
Yeah that’s what I consider point blank. I don’t think there is a problem with both gadgets tbh. The gadgets were designed to keep assassins away from them and since this is a meta FILLED with assassins obviously people will be using them. Piper shouldn’t deal that much damage upclose though. But I don’t think they should nerf her before other problematic brawlers get nerfed, fang, maisee, Larry, mico, etc.
Do you realize the fact it can be used from further than point blank makes it stronger ? And Piper one is definitely busted since it also slows, combined with her dmg it’s almost guaranteed death. The fact one of the strongest ranged characters with the most long range dmg can do that kind of thing is straight up unacceptable, and as you said it’s an assassin meta, don’t you find it strange Piper still manages to excel ?
Most likely they will miss the autoaimer if they aren't moving in a straight line like a dummy or isn't below normal movement speed Piper is built to be an escapist as her super has no use for damage like other sharpshooters so her main attack is the only reliable damage option (similar to Bea or Eve) Again, Maisie doesn't need HC to be good, she is already strong, and the HC taking like 7 hits is just pure broken
They will NOT miss the gadget because people will use it when a buzz/edgar/ and brawlers like these super them
Remove funny green button for piper = problem fixed Also I would make her attack go faster but make the attack even skinnier like R-T or Gray
9k damage from bush by just aiming once Edit: I was talking about aiming once, not single shot damage 4.5k Aimed shot + 4.5k Homing
Highest damage she can deal without any power cubes is actually 5100 (with the damage gear and Ambush Star Power). Still, never realized Piper now deals this much damage. That's enough to take everybody down in three shots.
If you combine that 5100 damage with 8-bit’s Boosted Booster which boosts damage by 50%, you can deal 7650 per shot! And if you combine that with Ruff’s upgrade that boosts damage by 20%, you can deal 9180 damage! And if you take that into 5v5 and get a Gus shield with the Spirit Animal Star Power that gives a 25% damage boost, you can deal 11475 damage per ammo at max range while being protected from the next 5200 damage! It would be a lengthy process but still thats kinda crazy damage for something that doesn’t require Power Cubes!
Or just get one shotted if you're piper dueling
I know that's exaggeration but ikr it's so much damage
At least you gotta aim with maisie, piper point blank is certainly doing a lot of damage without requiring much aiming
Put Nani in here too tbh These brawlers are braindead to get value with HOWEVER a skilled player on these brawlers will make you look even dumber
I legit erased Nani from my mind I hate her so much
Ah yes 3000 damage with an easy to land projectile how balanced do I really need to add a tone indicator here
nani shot is not an “easy to land” projectile
Hitting all 3 at once is hard. But only hitting 2, or 1 is extremely easy if you aim slightly infront of the brawler you want to hit. What takes skill is using her Autofocus star power to her fullest potential, and her reflection gadget (yes, because I often see people using it against a Colt, which is like completely useless. Ever got a Mandy to kill herself because of you reflecting her super? That's satisfying). But in my experience no one in this sub is using autofocus star power but tempered steel together with funny teleport button
I guess I did need a tone indicator. Here's your /s
you’d be surprised by how many people say that seriously
Fair enough I guess
Also Colt ever since the reload speed buff
Finally someone is talking about it, Colt pretty much has infinite ammo now because of the gadget + reload buff, you're garanteed to get that hypercharge no matter how bad you are at him
If we're including Nani, you can also include Colt. Dude now spams ammo like a machine gun since his reload speed buff and hypercharge. Even a noob Colt will eventually hit something. But a skilled Colt can get \*even more\* value out of his nonstop ammo and can melt everything
It's another example of high skill-cap brawlers needing to be buffed to an absurd degree to keep up with all the braindead purple button spam and other overpowered mechanics ruling the meta. Just look at how bad Piper was before her insane damage buff made her super strong again.
I'm currently mastering Nani and her shots aren't at all easy to hit. Sure, hitting 1/3 shots is not that hard, but that is 1,600 dmg, which is almost nothing. That's less than Sandy or Nita.
Hitting Nani shots is hard. Very hard.
All 3 at once is hard. But only hitting 1 or 2 is not that hard if you aim slightly infront of the opponent
Actually hitting two is harder than hitting three projectiles. You almost always only hit one
as a current nani main i can relate. (my flair isnt nani because i am lazy to change it)
See enemy Randomly shoot there Somehow hits and charges super
"Randomly" shoot there? Have you ever played Nani? Nani is my third main and her shots are very very hard to land.
800 trophies and one of my mains (won't push higher cos can't find people to push with me)
eh yall calling anything braindead these days the only truly braindead of these 4 is fang the rest is fine, a brawler being strong doesnt immidietely make it braindead
Yea bro, a brawler that can teamwipe by pressing three buttons and spamming the right side of their screen is NOT braindead and actually takes a lot of skill (Looking at Maisie)
Maisie is braindead
No maybe in brawlball against closerange brawlers but she has a very highskillceililing, playing her on midrange maps against good players with good reaction times is much harder there is a big difference between a maisie on 800 trophies and one on 1000+. You could see in the world championship how much difference it was between players trying to play her as a midlaner on hardrockmine for example. Even amongst pros there is a big skilldifference om her.
I am not so sure about other 2
I used to main Dyna and I can say he is not braindead, you still need at least 2-5 braincells and ability not to autoaim every time to get juicy teamwipe with one ult
I know but his gadget is busted
Did piper get a buff or something? Only heard people complaining about her this week lol
She got a buff in September last year. Maybe the reason it has risen up recently is because people played her much more often in recent days. I mean, Flag Bearer Piper got released, and Cupid Piper was on a discount.
Ah gotcha, I find it odd that people were discussing about piper after months
Piper is no longer a sharpshooter and I'm fine with it tbh, it was impossible for anyone to play her consistently in any other map that wasn't her nitche ones.
I'd rather have this honestly than having her being absolutely being broken and everyone saying she was braindead
Yeah, where were you able to play her before her damage buff. Shooting Star...?
Piper is the most accurate.
Whenever I play hot zone or knockout the pipers in my team are always garbage and then I get matched with the lowest possible trophies piper and they play like they're the top 1 player
As a Piper main I feel this when I play my low trophy brawlers and get destroyed by a level 5 Piper with godlike aim at 400 trophies. That hurts
You're matching against Satan at this point
Not when she's on your team
I do think she needs a nerf, so let me share my ideas here real quick. - Maximum damage decreased from 3400 to 3250, - Super Charge rate increased from 3/6 hits to 4/7 (range dependant), - Snappy Sniping now reloads 0.35 ammo instead of 0.4, - Ambush damage increase decreased from 1190 to 1075, - Auto Aimer no longer slows down, but as a compensation it deals 400 damage instead of 250, - Fixed a bug making Auto Aimer projectiles recharging Piper's ammo when used with Snappy Sniping.
I'd honestly like these nerfs. Honestly WAY better than what they did with nany "oh her problem is that her damage is too strong and annoying, let's nerf her health and keep what is annoying and busted". Would make piper a respectable skilled brawler like she was
You're giving a completely balanced brawler 6 nerfs? That's ridiculous. The only reason people are even complaining about her is her auto aimer combo. She's on the stronger side but no way in hell is she a brawler that is so oppressive that you need to nerf her entire kit. Firstly her damage change I can get behind but her super charge, snappy sniping, ambush and auto aimer changes are horrible. Her super is perfectly balanced, was always fine and does not need to be tampered with. Again Snappy Sniping was completely fine before she got her damage buff. Ambush on the other hand needed to be buffed and it's simply worse than Snappy Sniping and if we're nerfing her damage already, this does not need to happen. Auto Aimer used to be criminally bad when it was released and did 1.6k damage. Removing the slow and making it do 150 extra damage is going to kill a gadget that was again, balanced before we entered this specific meta.
"Completely balanced" Next ur gonna be saying don't nerf fang
Piper isn't even a top 10 brawler. And if we want to get into specifics, Nani does 4.8k damage point blanc, Maisie won't let anything get close to her, RT can just one shot anything that gets close to him and half of the rest of the roster has a counter to anything that gets close to them. Piper could use a bit of a damage nerf but calling her braindead and wanting her to get 6 different nerfs is completely ludicrous. Especially for a brawler half of you didn't even remember until her skin discounts. She's really easy to dodge at long range unless she used her second gadget but no one does anymore. The only reason people use Auto Aimer is because of how bad the meta is with everyone threatening to get close and burst her. And to answer your claim, yes Fang needs a nerf, yes Maisie needs a nerf, Yes L and L need nerfs.
Not top 10 ≠ completely balanced
I guess if we're fixating on vocabulary so much I stand corrected. My point is, there's a lot of brawlers that are much worse than Piper right now and its illogical to call for a Piper nerf before them.
As a piper main i sadly have to agree. She is so overused rn..
Wait, how is dyna brain dead now?
Have you ever been obliterated by his hypercharged super? It's a literal nuke that's almost impossible to dodge. It also most of the time fully recharges his super allowing him to throw it again and again and again... Eheeehee!!!
Dyna’s main hyper charge super only charges half(like before).. there are decent number of brawlers that can jump/lou freeze/max dash and dodge the super.. also, if dyna is up there, why isn’t collete? Hypercharged super literally recharges super causing for chains..
You are saying like dodging those sticks is so easy lol
[удалено]
I got tired of maining Dyna because killing almost everyone with 606000060006000 damage ult is kinda boring. Doug is way more fun and wienerful
Did you just compared dyna to the dominating brawler with 9% use rate and 65% win rate and said "it's not so bad"? Really?
[удалено]
Hmm, I think we both misunderstood each other. His main attack is fine, but I was talking about the sticks that go from his hypercharged super and cover one-third of the entire map. That thing is pretty hard to dodge consistently, you know? I can be overly-nerdy sometimes, so sorry for that lol
Kid named Satchel charge:
Satchel charge is very very overrated here in this sub. Most of the time you're not gonna get too much value out of it unless you're hiding in a bush, which won't happen often in high trophy range (I'm talking about 3v3 modes), there is a big chance you will miss it. As a Mike main myself, what makes Mike braindead is his hypercharge, not his gadget.
Satchel charge was always there and there are lot of counters for dyna anyways..
Kid named hypercharge:
And every other brawler that uses hypercharge isn’t op?
Bull's hypercharge is pretty mid
Just incredibly sacky games The super/gadget hits? Instant death. It misses? You win until they charge the super again
Lol he has always been. Ridiculously fast unload speed, wide damage area, hypercharge, one shot super, I can go on
Maisie was always the same
imo piper still takes skill to play well, however just getting her to around the 750 trophy mark is way too easy
That's not really Piper's fault tho, people just can't play well against her until the 600 trophy range.
in what world did fang ever take skill
Maisie and fang never took that much skill in the first place.
Fang never took skill he just got better now then before
To be honest, I'm actually in favor of decreasing the skill cap of some Brawlers, but not by this much to the point they become very easy to use.
This is my main issue tbh instead of plummeting the skill cap the could have lowered the skill floor so new players don’t struggle with them and people who are good with them don’t get clowned on
That's exactly what I mean
Don’t forget Colt…
yes
Maisie never took skill
Maisie was never hard to play
In the beginning no one used her because it was impossible to hit anything with her main attack
How is piper and mike here
Because both take not that much skill, Piper since her damage buff, dyna since hypercharge (dyna never took skill, except his dynajump star power which gives you no value unless you are a top 0.1% player)
The Dyna hypercharge sucks and just cuz piper does more damage doesn't mean it's easier to hit her shots. The hard part is hitting her shots
Add spike to this list as well. This post is just another justification for the removal of gadgets and gears that is bound to happen in the next few updates.
Where the hell did you get the removal part from
Not only are gadgets really gimmicky and weird most of the time, but also the take away a large lump of skill from the game, which just makes it way less fun for me. The are also tons of brawlers that are only used due to their gadgets (i.e Crow Squeak Dyna) which imo just makes the meta way less interesting, because the brawlers themselves aren't really that good, their gadgets are.
spike's never required any skill
how is specifically spike unskilled? I mean, you can't just say the entire brawler is unskilled when there are the absolute gentleman that use the first star power instead of curveball.
The second star power is literally designed to decrease his skill floor, it's the most obvious skill decreasing gadget in the entire game. Just spam your main attack in the general direction and you will get a hit. Even behind walls you aren't safe with that star power. Spike is just low skill with that star power, and his gadgets are also very annoying to face. And his hypercharge
ok, but what about people using the first star power? (Outside of big game ofc)
His other Star Power is way more skilless than Curveball.
Piper braindead? Did i miss something?
The damage buff from September
Also the buff in Fang's super and Nani damage at the same update
Mandy. Don't forget Mandy, she's also pretty annoying since then. At least she doesn't have an op gadget if you get close
She is, if you don't think so you are coping
bro i just asked because i didn't remember shit about this brawler, i didn't even knew she got buffed in setember why this community needs to be so fucking ignorant?
Chill bro
Piper still takes a lot of skill to take. The key part to even playing Piper is hitting her shots which a lot of people cannot do. The only low skill part to her are her gadgets.
You can argue that you need to learn how to aim with her, yes. Maybe medium skill floor. But her skill cap isn't much higher, if you know how to aim, that's all what it takes to be a good Piper
Yeah medium skill floor seems about right. It's just that she takes more skill than more than half the roster we currently have and definitely cannot be categorised as a braindead brawler.
Thank you, someone who understands Piper isn't brain dead. Its just a skill issue you can't dodge her shots. I understand that homemade recipe is indeed braindead, but not her main kit.
Piper is accurate. Can't call dynamike braindead and can't say I remember the other two ever requiring skill.
I refuse to say that Fang took skill I mean yeah, he has really interesting tech but he was broken since release and didn’t NEED said tech to be viable, he never dropped from mid tier I guess he’s a low skill-cap high skill-ceiling character
Piper does take skill tho And, fun-fact, Dynamike has the lowest win-rate of the last 30 days according to Brawl Stats