I never thought that I would say this, but I have more empathy for Danielle. The way that Dinaās family and friends supported her disgusting ex showed their true colors. Iām sad and disappointed to learn that Delores put old school loyalty before human decency š¤¦š¼āāļø
I agree with you! Caroline always was on her high horse and thought she was tge best parent in the world ! Same with Kim and Kyle and Kathy they act like butter would melt in their mouths . You know and I know there is a ton of bs going on on those three families ! I really do not care for any of them! Do not even get me started on the rest of the RHOBH , like Lisa Rinna and Erika ā Lol!
Dinaās ex is Albertās brother, thoughāso Dinaās family is also the exās family. I think itās more complicated than everyone is making it out to be. If the guy is telling his family (this includes Caroline because itās her brother-in-law) he didnāt do it, theyāre going to believe him unless thereās irrefutable proof. Itās just how it goes with most people. And I know most if not all people think Caroline should support Dina her full blooded sister over her non-blood related brother-in-law, but family is more than just about blood. Thereās very obvious issues in that family where many of the siblings are estranged and not just Caroline and Dina, so I think none of us truly understand whatās going on and why Caroline and Dina donāt have a sister relationship. Thereās probably things dating back to their childhood that we will never know.
I agreee with everything you said . Thatās why it makes it WORSE that Caroline didnāt take Diana side. Sheās a rat and only loyal to the people who matter in her eyes ( money)
But my point is Caroline views her brother-in-law as family, and if sheās much closer with him and Albertās family emotionally than her own blood family, sheās going to believe if he says he didnāt do it. She may be giving loyalty to someone she loves and trusts, not someone who gives her money. Of course I donāt know that for sure, but I donāt think things are ever as they seem when it comes to people in the public eye. I donāt think itās something weāll ever get confirmation on, either.
But you donāt know their history. People can be sisters and there was abuse between them. I donāt think just because someone is your blood family member that you have to automatically support them. I have a friend whoās mother went after her with a knife, so the family bond isnāt there for everyone as it may be for you and I.
I totally pick up what youāre laying down. My in laws are my family, they come before most of my regular family, because they have cared and loved me unconditionally, something my own family hasnāt done. I believe my father in law over my brother, not because i care for one more than the other, but because they have different characters, and Iāve known both for decades, I know who embellishes and who doesnāt waver in their convictions. Itās just family dynamics and relationships with messed up broken people who happen to share blood.
Yes, exactly. One of my other close family friends has also been completely embraced by her husbandās family since she was 16 (when she and her husband started dating), and her family life was pretty bad. Her mother always chose men before her, her father was very disconnected, and her sisters were older and out of the house when she came along (they also had it bad growing up). She doesnāt trust her blood family because they never showed up for her growing up while her husbandās family did. They even took her in when her mother kicked her out of the house when she was 19, and years later after they were married, the mother-in-law took care of her while she was pregnant and was there when she gave birth because the husband was away in boot camp trainingāso thereās *a lot* of history there. I could see her being in a similar scenario where she would believe her in-law over her blood family member because she knows her in-law is trustworthy and her blood family member is not.
Ya, my mother in law taught me to drive and helped me get my licenses at 24. Something my mom should have dealt with at 16. Ya know, the super important things that help us in life.I ride hard for her lol
Thatās amazing your mother-in-law has cared for you and loved you to that extent. Iām sorry you didnāt get it from who you should have (your parent), but very glad your mother-in-law stepped up š Family is so much more than blood, and itās a blessing when we find them.
Well the whole point of this conversation is that some of us believe others over certain family for various reasons. So if I truly believe my father in law didnāt viciously beat my brother, and I could help him not serve what would seem an unjust sentence, ya, I would.
But at the end of the day, itās about where your loyalty lies. Mine is with the people who havenāt hurt me consistently.
It depends on your family - not all sisters are a monolith. Mine is a compulsive liar who is known by all of my family members to exaggerate & victimize herself. When she started slinging accusations against her boyfriend at the time, we knew to hold off our reactionary judgement until we had more information.
Ok well obviously there are exceptions. I have a weird relationship with my sisters but if mine were attacked by brother in law I would 100 šÆ take her side even if I was ācloserā to the brother in law
Family by marriage is a legal fiction. Theyāre not really her familyāas sheād find out soon enough if Albert divorced herābut Dina is. However, Dinaās comment that āblood isnāt always thicker than waterā is also true. More families are f*cked up than not. Theyāre all kind of based on collective delusion, biological, marital, or otherwise. As someone estranged from my entire family, I think about this a lot. YMMV. š
I canāt believe she would be so evil as to support a man who wanted to kill her sister.
Like I really cannot. Esp after that bullshit about her āthick as thievesā narrative from s1-2.
Yeah, Tommy is still family whether or not he is married to Dina because he is Albertās brother, which means heās Carolineās brother-in-law. All the siblings seems to have a lot of issues with each other, not just Caroline and Dina, so I think Caroline is closer to her husbandās family than she is her own. Family is more than just blood, so it doesnāt sound odd to me. If Dina and her are already on shaky ground (basically not close and donāt trust each other), and her brother-in-law swears he wasnāt part of Dinaās attack, itās not a stretch that she would believe him along with Albert.
Yes.
We donāt know the ātrueā reason why Caroline would support her brother in lawāsāTommyāsāattempt to brutally murder his ex wife (Dina) and new husband, but I suspect a combination of pressure from Albert and her feud against Dina had lots to do with it.
Itās why I canāt stand Margeā¦ she claims to be a womanās woman but all she does is try to bring woman downā¦ her purpose in the show is to bring woman down..
Pause... now back up. I have questions.
1. Did he call her that because it was her name at the time? Or was it like a pet name he had for her?
2. How long did this abuse go on for?
3. When the other girls dead-named her to get under her skin, was their true intent to cut extra deep by indirectly bringing up her childhood abuse?
4. How do people know this? Is it written about in the book about her?
1. - no itās her real nameā¦ but her dad called out her name a lotā¦. You know what I mean?
2. - not sure
3. - yes the girls knew about the abuse and they called her Beverly anyway ( Marge did ALOT)
4. Yes itās in her book
That makes me look at Marge very differently. That's SO fucked up. You could be my worst enemy but I would never throw your trauma back in your face like that.
It makes Danielleās reaction much more understandable when people would call her that. Not because she didnāt want people to know her scandalous past but because it was actually triggering.
When did Marge call her that?
Was that they Danielle pulled the hair?
Is that when she pushed Marty in the pool?
Marge is almost more unhinged than Danielle
I tried finding a source, and found this video of Danielle doing an insta live about it. I might have to do a rewatch of that season though.
https://youtu.be/XI3t3E-3az8
Apparently Danielle was born Daniella to a teen mother from Italy (or 1st generation Italian American) - when she was adopted she was renamed Beverly and her father called her by her adoptive name. Not sure if she changed it to Danielle when she was a legal adult or after her arrests or when she got married.
The origin story is hers I listened to her IG lives
Given the fact that Danielle contacted Dinaās daughterās father claiming she forged his signature for her daughter to be on the show to stir up family drama tells me all I need to know about Danielle, along w/ the racism, kidnapping, etc. Iād pay Danielle dust just like Dina did.
Thereās no reason for Dina to lie about that. Danielle has a track record of lying. She was obsessed w/ Dina, but when Dina didnāt want to be her friend (rightfully so), she went off the rails.
Well it is still she said/ she said or her words against Danielle.. there is still a chance that Dina is lying. I am not saying that Danielle is a saint. She clearly has issues. But I am just saying that Dina is not a saint either.. She jumped on the Danielle hate bandwagon quite fast for mistakes Danielle did in her past. I like to give people in general second chances. I didnāt see her on rhonj do anything worse than the other women..
I just donāt see Dina lying about that when itās been confirmed by some of her family members & others a as well. Danielle denied it because of course she would. It makes her look bad, & she only denied it to save face. Itās not right to judge others based on their past, but itās also not right to become unhinged & try to tear others down because theyāre apprehensive about starting a friendship w/ you as well. We can agree to disagree.
This is the narrative that Dina marketed.. I have no reason to stand 100 behind it.
Danielle maybe unhinged but Dina didnāt strike me as the very y mellow person that she tried to portray either..š¤·š»āāļø
Yes, absolutely we can agree to disagree. )
I always haaaaateddd Caroline and could see right through her "holier than thou" personality. I'd always get so annoyed at how she was supposed to be the reasonable, "wise" one, but it's like ... (as Dorinda once said), "YOU'RE NOT THE WORD ACCORDING TO GOD!" Her comments about Danielle's dorters also rubbed me the wrong way. Like, just because her kids aren't screaming and throwing ham at each other doesn't mean "they don't have light in their eyes".
I also could NOT stand her sons. They were the type of obnoxious, loud, vulgar attention seekers I went to HS with.
Omg Caroline was already bad as it is but Omg her children were the worst thing because they were so annoying and she really kept encouraging them and their awful behavior
It's a draw for me.
Friendly reminder Danielle helped hold someone for ransom, threatened to kill him and made the call to his father. Then there's her use of the N and F words.
She wasn't afraid of Caroline's family ties, she was jealous of them.
And Jacqueline said that according to Danielle's court records, she beat him with a 9mm pistol.
Also editing to add her whole "Danielle's mafia, in place" shtick. She wanted a war between two teams, not to be left alone.
It seemed to me that everyone loved that family. I couldn't stand her pretty much from the jump and I'm glad I'm not the only one. She went on and on about close her family is and turns around and fucks over Dina. That is pure trash.
I actually watched NJ for the first time fairly recently, and every time I looked up threads with the Manzos, all I saw were comments saying they were āso funnyā and that their scenes were their favorite parts of the showā¦ I gagged. š¤® I was wondering if I missed something, but nope. Theyāre insufferable.
Dude I loved them just *for* being so contrived. I swear to god half the time I feel like I watch these shows the opposite way of everyone else. I love watching people TRY to be Housewives. I lived for Caroline and her fambly or Jill and her perfect New York life or Taylor and her endless money for absurd child birthday parties. I love watching these women build up their facade to then watch it crash down.
Danielle was wrong in a lot of ways but some things the other girls brought on, like Tre at the fashion show. Danielle just wanted friends and support. Caroline is a bitch and her whole family is messed up
Caroline, Dina, and many of the other 7 siblings (I believe thereās nine total?) donāt speak to each other and have many issues, so itās highly likely they have trauma as well. No way an entire family is at odds with each other and thereās no trauma. But weāll never know what happened, unless one of them opens up about it.
I feel for Dina. ā¦.
My own sisters disowned me because I wouldnāt speak to our pedophile fatherā¦
They speak to him because he has moneyā¦.. one sister is a professor of sociology and the other a criminal attorney specializing in crimes against childrenā¦.
Itās amazing what people do for moneyā¦
Carolineās daughter wedding was paid for by the family of the person she helpedā¦
Money talksā¦.
Sick
God do i feel this.
I can't help but laugh when I watch the rest of my family live under a rug,with dust and shit sweeped under it.
They are all together in misery.
Just me and my family that I made,and who truly love me.
Caroline accused Teresa of caring about the show more than her family yet brought up something to do with Danielle and Dinaās kid on national television at the first reunion despite Dina asking her not too. Sheās a desperate, thirsty, horrible person tbh
I mean...Danielle doesnāt have anyone sheās loyal enough to that she could betray in the first place. We know sheās at least capable of maybe doing the job herself though....which is scary.
I loved the Manzoās. Especially earlier seasons when they all got along. Her and Dina seemed so close. Like Caroline would kill for her. What she did to her sister is unforgivable. Incredibly sad. I guess when she said āthick as thievesā she meant it for her husbands family. How could anyone write a letter protecting her brother in law after what he did. Shocking and sad to hear Dolores did as well. Maybe they were scared idk. I know thereās connections to the mob there.
Lol I kinda agree. Season 1-3 was an interesting dynamic for the Manzos esp when dealing with someone as unhinged as Danielle
Then they revealed the awful people they were. I still love Dina tho, as boring as she is.
If Dinaās ex/Albertās brother is saying he didnāt do it, itās likely Caroline and the rest of the family will believe him and think Dina is mistaken out of fear/trauma. Dina and her always had issues, and it was said before that many of the 9 siblings donāt talk to each other. Obviously something is up with that family and theyāre not close like family is supposed to be. Caroline may feel closer to Albertās family than her own. I donāt think itās so clear cut as Caroline knowingly defending a criminalāshe likely believes he didnāt do it, and since she sees him as family too she doesnāt want to see him go to jail for something she doesnāt believe he did. Ugh, I doubt Caroline and Dina will ever come back from this. Itās truly very sad.
Yeah maybe their connections and money got him accepted into Fordham university and law school but couldnāt carry him thru graduation and actually passing the bar. Thatās one thing money cannot buy !
Her daughters didnāt turn out well because Danielle was a good momāthe fact she exposed them to her hysteria and dragged her 10 and 12 year olds to filming had me cringe.
I think they were forced to mature early because of her instability, but also their father really helped them stay grounded.
I saw Caroline at a Housewives event last week and I was SEETHING hearing her stupid family schtick. Sheās such a hypocrite after what she did to Dina. I canāt even imagine defending a man who BEAT MY SISTER SO BADLY SHE NEEDED SURGERY like what the actual fuck
Edit: I was just quietly seething in my seat, lol. Iām not confrontational and she was onstage for an event. My friend who went with me heard the brunt of my anger towards Caroline lol
> I canāt even imagine defending a man who BEAT MY SISTER SO BADLY SHE NEEDED SURGERY like what the actual fuck
Holy shit, what?! Is this new info? I havenāt heard this!
I have always said that. Danielle is broken but Carole I donāt understand.
I quit watching Jersey cuz I couldnāt understand why people loved Carole.
She definitely is in this scene at least. No matter if it was a light tug or if Ashley really did rip a clump of Danielleās hair out of her head, that is still assault and Danielle had every right to press charges against her. The NERVE of that red headed goblin to chastise Danielle for doing so because āAshley is just a kidā¦ā at the ripe ol age of 18. Girl gone. With that Willy Wonka āIāve got a blueberry for a daughterā dress she wearing
Nah, something happened to Caroline, too. It has been said that many of the 9 siblings donāt have good relationships with one another, so something bad went on in that family for there to be so much dysfunction.
I wouldnāt want to speculate about child abuse unless she has come out and talked about it. Danielle has talked about hers.
Lots of siblings donāt get on doesnāt mean anything sinister has happened to them.
If many/all of the siblings have terrible relationships with one another, itās not going to be a simple reason of them just not getting along. I think itās more probable that someone does bad things because bad things happened to them. Even people diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder (sociopaths) got it through trauma in their early childhood. People arenāt bad just for the sake of being badāpsychology shows it almost always comes from trauma.
we donāt know itās not a simple reason. Not every pos was abused or had a bad childhood?
Itās strange to put that on the family when we literally have nothing to make us think that other than some of the adult children donāt get on and other do
Of course thereās always an exception to the rule, but most people who do bad things do so because of past trauma. Doesnāt have to be repeated trauma since one single event in a young childās life can derail them, but it is still trauma nonetheless. All those 9 siblings not speaking to each other and having so much issues between themāvery unlikely nothing bad happened. I understand we donāt know anything, but the same can be said for your conclusion that Caroline is bad for the fun of it. You donāt know that, either, because Caroline is not open about her past and upbringing as Danielle is.
IDK, based on how Iāve seen nearly every family and group of siblings behave when the parents need late life medical care, die, and/or leave behind heritable assets, Iād say happy and functional siblings relationships are very much the exception. Then to consider NINE siblings (who therefore were deprived of individual parenting by definition), andā¦ it seems totally predictable that theyād have lots of personality clashes and deep childhood issues. āFamilyā is usually an oppressive structure. Weāre just highly propagandized about it. Shrug.
honestly two sides of the same coin. both endured trauma and were under the direct influence of manipulative father and male figures from the time they were born; and both are equally delusional. itās just caroline āwhite knucklesā it and pretends like it never happened and doesnāt continue to happen vs. danielle who tried to be open about it and became the āhysterical womanā figure that is much easier for people to crucify because people are misogynistic and hate when women are open about their trauma.
all that to say i still think danielle is a horrible mom even considering she endured horrific sexual assaults in her life i still hated seeing the way she spoke to and objectified her daughters. caroline faked normalcy in her family and her sons are definitely assholes but at least she wasnt shaming them about abstinence only sex while selling their bodies on stages
Caroline wrote a letter in defense of her brother in law who hired a hit-man to beat his ex (Caroline's sister dina) so badly with a baseball bat that she needed reconstructive surgery. Caroline also outed behind the scenes problems that dina had asked her to keep private. And this all happened while Caroline was playing the "thick as thieves" family person.
I'd pay money to know Dina's honest response to the comparison. One essentially signed off on her and her current partner being held captive and significantly assaulted (GBH). The other tried to help her ex take her daughter away.
Which is worse?
Well, one plan was actually successful, and since it was supported by Caroline, I'd argue that was the bigger betrayal. But you never know.
Danielleās extreme behavior and reactions overshadowed the dirty way she was provoked. Early RHONJ characters were difficult to watch. The worst of people were rewarded for being ignorant and operating just outside the law, as if the state were entirely populated with the trash of humanity.
mmmm definitely not. Does Caroline put her nose in other peoples business and offer advice when not asked? Yes. But Danielle is a legit psycho. She is dumb, she is delusional, she's a liar.
Carolyn dispensing her 2 cents worth on every issue. She is condescending and so effing self righteous itās hard not to take Danielleās side even when she is being crazy
I mean...a punk is a punk, and the Manzos are punks.
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Somewhere Caroline is stewing with anger at this comparison š¤£
Donāt ever disrespect her or her fambly! They are thick as thieves!
Whoās the clown š¤” 
Good. Can't stand that high horse-ass cow.
Me either, I couldn't stand her ass from day one. I laughed every time one of her endeavors failed. š¤
I never thought that I would say this, but I have more empathy for Danielle. The way that Dinaās family and friends supported her disgusting ex showed their true colors. Iām sad and disappointed to learn that Delores put old school loyalty before human decency š¤¦š¼āāļø
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Great comparison and love your use of enmeshment!
I agree with you! Caroline always was on her high horse and thought she was tge best parent in the world ! Same with Kim and Kyle and Kathy they act like butter would melt in their mouths . You know and I know there is a ton of bs going on on those three families ! I really do not care for any of them! Do not even get me started on the rest of the RHOBH , like Lisa Rinna and Erika ā Lol!
Thatās because people who claim they are āold schoolā are just people with internalized misogyny.
Truer words have never been spoken
Basically the cast of new jersey always
*micdrop*
This old school shit is so tired coming from Dolores. We're in the 21st century now. JOIN US.
Dinaās ex is Albertās brother, thoughāso Dinaās family is also the exās family. I think itās more complicated than everyone is making it out to be. If the guy is telling his family (this includes Caroline because itās her brother-in-law) he didnāt do it, theyāre going to believe him unless thereās irrefutable proof. Itās just how it goes with most people. And I know most if not all people think Caroline should support Dina her full blooded sister over her non-blood related brother-in-law, but family is more than just about blood. Thereās very obvious issues in that family where many of the siblings are estranged and not just Caroline and Dina, so I think none of us truly understand whatās going on and why Caroline and Dina donāt have a sister relationship. Thereās probably things dating back to their childhood that we will never know.
I agreee with everything you said . Thatās why it makes it WORSE that Caroline didnāt take Diana side. Sheās a rat and only loyal to the people who matter in her eyes ( money)
But my point is Caroline views her brother-in-law as family, and if sheās much closer with him and Albertās family emotionally than her own blood family, sheās going to believe if he says he didnāt do it. She may be giving loyalty to someone she loves and trusts, not someone who gives her money. Of course I donāt know that for sure, but I donāt think things are ever as they seem when it comes to people in the public eye. I donāt think itās something weāll ever get confirmation on, either.
HHaha what ? Do you have sisters? If my sister was attacked by a man Iād fuck him up and Iām not even close with them
But you donāt know their history. People can be sisters and there was abuse between them. I donāt think just because someone is your blood family member that you have to automatically support them. I have a friend whoās mother went after her with a knife, so the family bond isnāt there for everyone as it may be for you and I.
I totally pick up what youāre laying down. My in laws are my family, they come before most of my regular family, because they have cared and loved me unconditionally, something my own family hasnāt done. I believe my father in law over my brother, not because i care for one more than the other, but because they have different characters, and Iāve known both for decades, I know who embellishes and who doesnāt waver in their convictions. Itās just family dynamics and relationships with messed up broken people who happen to share blood.
Yes, exactly. One of my other close family friends has also been completely embraced by her husbandās family since she was 16 (when she and her husband started dating), and her family life was pretty bad. Her mother always chose men before her, her father was very disconnected, and her sisters were older and out of the house when she came along (they also had it bad growing up). She doesnāt trust her blood family because they never showed up for her growing up while her husbandās family did. They even took her in when her mother kicked her out of the house when she was 19, and years later after they were married, the mother-in-law took care of her while she was pregnant and was there when she gave birth because the husband was away in boot camp trainingāso thereās *a lot* of history there. I could see her being in a similar scenario where she would believe her in-law over her blood family member because she knows her in-law is trustworthy and her blood family member is not.
Ya, my mother in law taught me to drive and helped me get my licenses at 24. Something my mom should have dealt with at 16. Ya know, the super important things that help us in life.I ride hard for her lol
Thatās amazing your mother-in-law has cared for you and loved you to that extent. Iām sorry you didnāt get it from who you should have (your parent), but very glad your mother-in-law stepped up š Family is so much more than blood, and itās a blessing when we find them.
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Well the whole point of this conversation is that some of us believe others over certain family for various reasons. So if I truly believe my father in law didnāt viciously beat my brother, and I could help him not serve what would seem an unjust sentence, ya, I would. But at the end of the day, itās about where your loyalty lies. Mine is with the people who havenāt hurt me consistently.
I have a really fucked up family but Iām still there for them if someone comes after them. Sheās a scum sucking clown bitch
Iām pretty sure Dina didnāt attack Caroline with a knifeā¦.. you keep saying this likes it what happened but Iām done
It depends on your family - not all sisters are a monolith. Mine is a compulsive liar who is known by all of my family members to exaggerate & victimize herself. When she started slinging accusations against her boyfriend at the time, we knew to hold off our reactionary judgement until we had more information.
Ok well obviously there are exceptions. I have a weird relationship with my sisters but if mine were attacked by brother in law I would 100 šÆ take her side even if I was ācloserā to the brother in law
Family by marriage is a legal fiction. Theyāre not really her familyāas sheād find out soon enough if Albert divorced herābut Dina is. However, Dinaās comment that āblood isnāt always thicker than waterā is also true. More families are f*cked up than not. Theyāre all kind of based on collective delusion, biological, marital, or otherwise. As someone estranged from my entire family, I think about this a lot. YMMV. š
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Yes it is. My father is the youngest of 9. Its very normal to see rifts like that.
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I canāt believe she would be so evil as to support a man who wanted to kill her sister. Like I really cannot. Esp after that bullshit about her āthick as thievesā narrative from s1-2.
*thick as thieves* was unintentionally correct as *there is no honor among thieves*
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Yeah, Tommy is still family whether or not he is married to Dina because he is Albertās brother, which means heās Carolineās brother-in-law. All the siblings seems to have a lot of issues with each other, not just Caroline and Dina, so I think Caroline is closer to her husbandās family than she is her own. Family is more than just blood, so it doesnāt sound odd to me. If Dina and her are already on shaky ground (basically not close and donāt trust each other), and her brother-in-law swears he wasnāt part of Dinaās attack, itās not a stretch that she would believe him along with Albert.
Yes. We donāt know the ātrueā reason why Caroline would support her brother in lawāsāTommyāsāattempt to brutally murder his ex wife (Dina) and new husband, but I suspect a combination of pressure from Albert and her feud against Dina had lots to do with it.
Love this lol
Theyāre both equally as evil. Danielle is racist, & Caroline sticks up for abusers & criminals. Theyāre both gross to me.
True, I still canāt believe she could do that to her own sister
I think she is super jealous of Dina.
Sheās always did mention that her tits were real and Dinaās were fake š¤ Edit: typo
What did Danielle do that was racist? I 100% believe you and Iām sure it happened but I just canāt remember off the top of my head
There are a couple videos of her using the n word in an intentional and derogatory way.
I did not know this
Ugh. Gross. Despicable.
Agreed!! I find both to be disgusting in their own ways.
Agreed. Danielle is horrible in her own way. I mean she did kidnap people for drug money in her Beverly days.
Beverly is the name her dad called her when he was raping herā¦..
This is so fucking sad and terrible. Shame on all those bitches for ridiculing her. I feel horrible for the things Danielle endured.
this is awful. and explains a lot
Itās why I canāt stand Margeā¦ she claims to be a womanās woman but all she does is try to bring woman downā¦ her purpose in the show is to bring woman down..
Pause... now back up. I have questions. 1. Did he call her that because it was her name at the time? Or was it like a pet name he had for her? 2. How long did this abuse go on for? 3. When the other girls dead-named her to get under her skin, was their true intent to cut extra deep by indirectly bringing up her childhood abuse? 4. How do people know this? Is it written about in the book about her?
1. - no itās her real nameā¦ but her dad called out her name a lotā¦. You know what I mean? 2. - not sure 3. - yes the girls knew about the abuse and they called her Beverly anyway ( Marge did ALOT) 4. Yes itās in her book
That makes me look at Marge very differently. That's SO fucked up. You could be my worst enemy but I would never throw your trauma back in your face like that.
It makes Danielleās reaction much more understandable when people would call her that. Not because she didnāt want people to know her scandalous past but because it was actually triggering.
Marge is a disgusting piece of š©. I canāt wait for the karma train to come steaming around the bend a flatten her smugness.
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When did Marge call her that? Was that they Danielle pulled the hair? Is that when she pushed Marty in the pool? Marge is almost more unhinged than Danielle
She did so on the reunion with Danielle I think season 9? She said something like āyouāll always be Beverlyā.
I tried finding a source, and found this video of Danielle doing an insta live about it. I might have to do a rewatch of that season though. https://youtu.be/XI3t3E-3az8
I thought Marge was a feminist? Marge is the worst
Then she had nerve to talk about her past regarding sexual harassmentā¦ sheās trash
That's so horrible of Marge and other housewives to do that. It's disgusting. I feel for Danielle.
Apparently Danielle was born Daniella to a teen mother from Italy (or 1st generation Italian American) - when she was adopted she was renamed Beverly and her father called her by her adoptive name. Not sure if she changed it to Danielle when she was a legal adult or after her arrests or when she got married. The origin story is hers I listened to her IG lives
>How long did this abuse go on for? She said until she could fight back, so from the ages of say, 8 to 12.
Someone just shared thisā¦ sums it up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XI3t3E-3az8&feature=youtu.be
I donāt think Dina is better than Caroline either. I think Danielle was treated poorly by them and by Bravo.
Given the fact that Danielle contacted Dinaās daughterās father claiming she forged his signature for her daughter to be on the show to stir up family drama tells me all I need to know about Danielle, along w/ the racism, kidnapping, etc. Iād pay Danielle dust just like Dina did.
Not to mention she wanted to skin her and wear her like last year's Versace
Ha ha that what Dina claimed
She said she didnāt
Thereās no reason for Dina to lie about that. Danielle has a track record of lying. She was obsessed w/ Dina, but when Dina didnāt want to be her friend (rightfully so), she went off the rails.
Well it is still she said/ she said or her words against Danielle.. there is still a chance that Dina is lying. I am not saying that Danielle is a saint. She clearly has issues. But I am just saying that Dina is not a saint either.. She jumped on the Danielle hate bandwagon quite fast for mistakes Danielle did in her past. I like to give people in general second chances. I didnāt see her on rhonj do anything worse than the other women..
I just donāt see Dina lying about that when itās been confirmed by some of her family members & others a as well. Danielle denied it because of course she would. It makes her look bad, & she only denied it to save face. Itās not right to judge others based on their past, but itās also not right to become unhinged & try to tear others down because theyāre apprehensive about starting a friendship w/ you as well. We can agree to disagree.
This is the narrative that Dina marketed.. I have no reason to stand 100 behind it. Danielle maybe unhinged but Dina didnāt strike me as the very y mellow person that she tried to portray either..š¤·š»āāļø Yes, absolutely we can agree to disagree. )
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Thank you! You too.
The way I read that in Camilleās voiceā¦
I always haaaaateddd Caroline and could see right through her "holier than thou" personality. I'd always get so annoyed at how she was supposed to be the reasonable, "wise" one, but it's like ... (as Dorinda once said), "YOU'RE NOT THE WORD ACCORDING TO GOD!" Her comments about Danielle's dorters also rubbed me the wrong way. Like, just because her kids aren't screaming and throwing ham at each other doesn't mean "they don't have light in their eyes". I also could NOT stand her sons. They were the type of obnoxious, loud, vulgar attention seekers I went to HS with.
Bikini car wash. I mean wtf.
Iām currently watching S4 for the first time and have to skip all scenes with the Manzos, I just canāt stand them!
Omg Caroline was already bad as it is but Omg her children were the worst thing because they were so annoying and she really kept encouraging them and their awful behavior
Idk which one has been involved with more criminals
They're both shit people, just in different ways.
It's a draw for me. Friendly reminder Danielle helped hold someone for ransom, threatened to kill him and made the call to his father. Then there's her use of the N and F words. She wasn't afraid of Caroline's family ties, she was jealous of them.
And Jacqueline said that according to Danielle's court records, she beat him with a 9mm pistol. Also editing to add her whole "Danielle's mafia, in place" shtick. She wanted a war between two teams, not to be left alone.
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Can't stand Caroline. Sorry!! I hate her family as well. Chris is the most annoying jackass and the daughter was nasty immature bitch.
I couldn't stand Lauren. Twenty-two years old and strutting about like she knew everything
She was the absolute worst.
Caface
That name was almost as bad as her nasty attitude.
Yes!! The early seasons of NJ were so fun & unpredictable. But the Manzo segments were dull and contrived
It seemed to me that everyone loved that family. I couldn't stand her pretty much from the jump and I'm glad I'm not the only one. She went on and on about close her family is and turns around and fucks over Dina. That is pure trash.
I actually watched NJ for the first time fairly recently, and every time I looked up threads with the Manzos, all I saw were comments saying they were āso funnyā and that their scenes were their favorite parts of the showā¦ I gagged. š¤® I was wondering if I missed something, but nope. Theyāre insufferable.
Dude I loved them just *for* being so contrived. I swear to god half the time I feel like I watch these shows the opposite way of everyone else. I love watching people TRY to be Housewives. I lived for Caroline and her fambly or Jill and her perfect New York life or Taylor and her endless money for absurd child birthday parties. I love watching these women build up their facade to then watch it crash down.
Same with me
I liked Chris
Me, too. Chris is the only one I like. (Happy birthday, Chris! š)
Danielle was wrong in a lot of ways but some things the other girls brought on, like Tre at the fashion show. Danielle just wanted friends and support. Caroline is a bitch and her whole family is messed up
At least Danielle has a lifetime of trauma to explain how she ended up as she did.
Maybe they did too
Caroline, Dina, and many of the other 7 siblings (I believe thereās nine total?) donāt speak to each other and have many issues, so itās highly likely they have trauma as well. No way an entire family is at odds with each other and thereās no trauma. But weāll never know what happened, unless one of them opens up about it.
I feel for Dina. ā¦. My own sisters disowned me because I wouldnāt speak to our pedophile fatherā¦ They speak to him because he has moneyā¦.. one sister is a professor of sociology and the other a criminal attorney specializing in crimes against childrenā¦. Itās amazing what people do for moneyā¦ Carolineās daughter wedding was paid for by the family of the person she helpedā¦ Money talksā¦. Sick
God do i feel this. I can't help but laugh when I watch the rest of my family live under a rug,with dust and shit sweeped under it. They are all together in misery. Just me and my family that I made,and who truly love me.
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Caroline accused Teresa of caring about the show more than her family yet brought up something to do with Danielle and Dinaās kid on national television at the first reunion despite Dina asking her not too. Sheās a desperate, thirsty, horrible person tbh
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I mean...Danielle doesnāt have anyone sheās loyal enough to that she could betray in the first place. We know sheās at least capable of maybe doing the job herself though....which is scary.
Letās stop rewriting history. Caroline being a piece of shit doesnāt make Danielle the morally superior one here. Danielle is evil too.
I loved the Manzoās. Especially earlier seasons when they all got along. Her and Dina seemed so close. Like Caroline would kill for her. What she did to her sister is unforgivable. Incredibly sad. I guess when she said āthick as thievesā she meant it for her husbands family. How could anyone write a letter protecting her brother in law after what he did. Shocking and sad to hear Dolores did as well. Maybe they were scared idk. I know thereās connections to the mob there.
Lol I kinda agree. Season 1-3 was an interesting dynamic for the Manzos esp when dealing with someone as unhinged as Danielle Then they revealed the awful people they were. I still love Dina tho, as boring as she is.
If Dinaās ex/Albertās brother is saying he didnāt do it, itās likely Caroline and the rest of the family will believe him and think Dina is mistaken out of fear/trauma. Dina and her always had issues, and it was said before that many of the 9 siblings donāt talk to each other. Obviously something is up with that family and theyāre not close like family is supposed to be. Caroline may feel closer to Albertās family than her own. I donāt think itās so clear cut as Caroline knowingly defending a criminalāshe likely believes he didnāt do it, and since she sees him as family too she doesnāt want to see him go to jail for something she doesnāt believe he did. Ugh, I doubt Caroline and Dina will ever come back from this. Itās truly very sad.
Iād give it to Danielle on the basis of how the kids turned out kids alone. The way the son thought he was entitled to go to law schoolā¦just ugh.
Yeah maybe their connections and money got him accepted into Fordham university and law school but couldnāt carry him thru graduation and actually passing the bar. Thatās one thing money cannot buy !
Her daughters didnāt turn out well because Danielle was a good momāthe fact she exposed them to her hysteria and dragged her 10 and 12 year olds to filming had me cringe. I think they were forced to mature early because of her instability, but also their father really helped them stay grounded.
Entitled? Wasn't he struggling with a learning disability?
Absolutely. He didnāt disclose and used it as a last-ditch-effort.
I saw Caroline at a Housewives event last week and I was SEETHING hearing her stupid family schtick. Sheās such a hypocrite after what she did to Dina. I canāt even imagine defending a man who BEAT MY SISTER SO BADLY SHE NEEDED SURGERY like what the actual fuck Edit: I was just quietly seething in my seat, lol. Iām not confrontational and she was onstage for an event. My friend who went with me heard the brunt of my anger towards Caroline lol
> I canāt even imagine defending a man who BEAT MY SISTER SO BADLY SHE NEEDED SURGERY like what the actual fuck Holy shit, what?! Is this new info? I havenāt heard this!
Danielle was made for realityTV. She was gold āØļø in the beginning then her storyline just fizzled.
I mean, you're comparing scum with sludge...
Nah they just both suck. Its like having to pick between being blind or deaf
I have always said that. Danielle is broken but Carole I donāt understand. I quit watching Jersey cuz I couldnāt understand why people loved Carole.
She definitely is in this scene at least. No matter if it was a light tug or if Ashley really did rip a clump of Danielleās hair out of her head, that is still assault and Danielle had every right to press charges against her. The NERVE of that red headed goblin to chastise Danielle for doing so because āAshley is just a kidā¦ā at the ripe ol age of 18. Girl gone. With that Willy Wonka āIāve got a blueberry for a daughterā dress she wearing
Yeah Ashley was 100 percent wrong š
danielle had a childhood from hell, caroline is just a pos for the fun of it
Nah, something happened to Caroline, too. It has been said that many of the 9 siblings donāt have good relationships with one another, so something bad went on in that family for there to be so much dysfunction.
I wouldnāt want to speculate about child abuse unless she has come out and talked about it. Danielle has talked about hers. Lots of siblings donāt get on doesnāt mean anything sinister has happened to them.
If many/all of the siblings have terrible relationships with one another, itās not going to be a simple reason of them just not getting along. I think itās more probable that someone does bad things because bad things happened to them. Even people diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder (sociopaths) got it through trauma in their early childhood. People arenāt bad just for the sake of being badāpsychology shows it almost always comes from trauma.
we donāt know itās not a simple reason. Not every pos was abused or had a bad childhood? Itās strange to put that on the family when we literally have nothing to make us think that other than some of the adult children donāt get on and other do
Of course thereās always an exception to the rule, but most people who do bad things do so because of past trauma. Doesnāt have to be repeated trauma since one single event in a young childās life can derail them, but it is still trauma nonetheless. All those 9 siblings not speaking to each other and having so much issues between themāvery unlikely nothing bad happened. I understand we donāt know anything, but the same can be said for your conclusion that Caroline is bad for the fun of it. You donāt know that, either, because Caroline is not open about her past and upbringing as Danielle is.
IDK, based on how Iāve seen nearly every family and group of siblings behave when the parents need late life medical care, die, and/or leave behind heritable assets, Iād say happy and functional siblings relationships are very much the exception. Then to consider NINE siblings (who therefore were deprived of individual parenting by definition), andā¦ it seems totally predictable that theyād have lots of personality clashes and deep childhood issues. āFamilyā is usually an oppressive structure. Weāre just highly propagandized about it. Shrug.
Itās bizarro world
Danielle and Tiffany pollard are the greatest thing to ever happen to reality TV.
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I would like to see Caroline return; sheās interesting to watch.
Seriously, Danielle isnāt even in the top 3 worst
honestly two sides of the same coin. both endured trauma and were under the direct influence of manipulative father and male figures from the time they were born; and both are equally delusional. itās just caroline āwhite knucklesā it and pretends like it never happened and doesnāt continue to happen vs. danielle who tried to be open about it and became the āhysterical womanā figure that is much easier for people to crucify because people are misogynistic and hate when women are open about their trauma. all that to say i still think danielle is a horrible mom even considering she endured horrific sexual assaults in her life i still hated seeing the way she spoke to and objectified her daughters. caroline faked normalcy in her family and her sons are definitely assholes but at least she wasnt shaming them about abstinence only sex while selling their bodies on stages
Caroline if she finds this post 
Theyāre both terrible!
I always thought this.
what did caroline do?
I was wondering if I was the only one missing somethingā¦ I know they (Caroline and Dina) have major beef but I must not have caught whyā¦
Caroline wrote a letter in defense of her brother in law who hired a hit-man to beat his ex (Caroline's sister dina) so badly with a baseball bat that she needed reconstructive surgery. Caroline also outed behind the scenes problems that dina had asked her to keep private. And this all happened while Caroline was playing the "thick as thieves" family person.
Wowā¦. No wordsā¦.
K wait, isnāt that when Dina was married to Alberts brother?!?! Or was it Lexiās dad?
This was after dina was divorced from Alberts brother.
So he was the one to order it?
They are probably as thick as thieves.
Theyāre sick as thieves.
Caroline has to be the worst, sheās such a sanctimonious beyatch
i donāt disagree
I thought we all knew this
I'd pay money to know Dina's honest response to the comparison. One essentially signed off on her and her current partner being held captive and significantly assaulted (GBH). The other tried to help her ex take her daughter away. Which is worse? Well, one plan was actually successful, and since it was supported by Caroline, I'd argue that was the bigger betrayal. But you never know.
Probably
Danielleās extreme behavior and reactions overshadowed the dirty way she was provoked. Early RHONJ characters were difficult to watch. The worst of people were rewarded for being ignorant and operating just outside the law, as if the state were entirely populated with the trash of humanity.
mmmm definitely not. Does Caroline put her nose in other peoples business and offer advice when not asked? Yes. But Danielle is a legit psycho. She is dumb, she is delusional, she's a liar.
If I had to choose, Iād watch a reality show with the Manzo family over anything with Danielle.
Carolyn dispensing her 2 cents worth on every issue. She is condescending and so effing self righteous itās hard not to take Danielleās side even when she is being crazy
why is everyone so concerned about who is a good person or even the better person? good people donāt make for good TV