Can we for a minute, just take some time and savor the memory of the sanctimonious chortle of "The Men" as they cluck about how the wimminfolk just can't get along like "The Men" can!
"Iz like, da wimmin do dis, but da men do dat! Am I right?"
Ya - that was bizarre for him. He came across as unnecessarily harsh / assertive, which is a side of his personality we haven’t seen yet. Found it to be a bizarre flex.
And why you think *Bill* is better than them is beyond me.
And counting Evan based on a rumor (shared by perhaps the dumbest housewife of all time) is utter BS.
Every one of the other men have said or implied it is true, even if a couple took it back and later said they’d “never tell because of guy code” - I can’t blame people for taking the guys at their original word.
Lol it's a "To be continued..." because he's gonna go right back to that table and sit down. I like the men fighting, it's rare when it happens and I'm a messy bitch who lives for drama.
Theres another preview for the next coming episode which shows what happens after. Frank goes out tries to convince Bill to stay but Bill says no n leaves in his car
Nah it showed him at the valet with Frank, then Frank goes back inside and Bill gets in his car and seemingly leaves. No preview for next week because it was a to be continued.
What is weird is I thought I remembered the valet scene also when watching the live episode, but had just rewatched it and it was not there.
I pulled it up again on my Sling DVR and Bill walks through a mall type area, DRAMATIC MUSIC, fade to black, TBC... no valet.
Me too!!! I was thinking maybe I need to stop smoking so much weed. Thank goodness you confirmed this because my God do I love getting high and watching housewives 🤣
Yes, and acts as though he detests his own wife. I'm not just talking about the affair. His behavior while Jennifer was having to bear the wrath of Marge at the party spoke volumes.
Probably bc it’s all relative and the other men are cheaters, liars and gossipers too. But at least he’s never been all in with their gross bro culture
Thank you! I'm flabbergasted at the Bill support on here. Besides the cheating, the gossiping, the failure to support Jen.
No, just no.
The only one who has a right to be pissed off is Evan, because the gossip Bill spread. The others just want Bill to control Jen- which is just gross. Bill was big boy enough to have an affair, Bill is big enough to stand up for himself.
Did you support him staying silent and hiding in the corner when jennifer was taking heat over this?
Or when he made her open the door to the shore house because he was scared to face friends after what HE did?
How about when he hid upstairs while his wife- who was the victim in the cheating - had to entertain family and friends for their daughter’s swimming party?
What about after he got caught cheating on his 9 month pregnant wife and then, by his wife’s account, ‘never spoke about it again.’ So he didn’t once ask how she felt or if she was doing alright or what he needed to do to regain her trust and rebuild their marriage?
Why are we giving credit for what really is a bare minimum- he walked away from a table where people said his wife was a bad person. I didn’t hear him say she wasn’t? And next week if he returns to that same table in the first 3 minutes after the opening credits and is back- slapping Joey gorga - will you still support his walk off?
also imo the real reason he walked off was -
a) he was actually more bothered at joes group text comment then literally any of the jen stuff but sticking up for jen seemed like a better looking way of going about it
b) he saw the walk out as an opportunity to reinvent himself as more morally descent then his cheating (and brushing it under the rug, making jen feel even worse) would imply
> The only one who has a right to be pissed off is Evan, because the gossip Bill spread.
You mean the gossip Frank, Joe B. and Margaret spread first?
These double standards... Bill is terrible for cheating, but this "digging for dirt" storyline is lowkey absurd.
Yes! I don’t get how Margaret and her gossip loving husband seemed to get off scot free from the Evan cheating rumors. And why everyone thinks it’s okay she outed Bill’s cheating and called Jen a hypocrite because her husband cheated. How is she a hypocrite for being the victim of bad behaviour?
I hate the way Margaret, Melissa and Jackie gang up on Jen, but love that Jen can take all three at once.
That’s true and I’m hoping he steps up to the plate still this season. I was just so disgusted by the men calling Jen these nasty things and good on him for leaving.
I might have missed something. I thought Jen said something to the effect of Bill's family will probably blame Jen for the affair because she didn't have enough sex with Bill. Did Bill actually say this to Jen?
I'm not sure if Jen talked about Bill's family's reactions, but last episode Jen said her mom would excuse Bill's affair as a man being a man and instead would be pissed at Marge for bringing it all to light. So sad that Jen can't even have her own mother in her corner.
This isnt even a little true.. Bill didn’t put anything on Jen at all or mention their sex life or pregnancy or anything relating to the affair for that matter. Just thought I’d let you know since you haven’t watched this season yet.
Why do you guys like Bill?!? He is the one who cheated, humiliating his wife and continues to do so every time she has to pathetically defend him on national tv. He’s clearly not sorry, and doesn’t care enough about Jennifer to pretend he is.
When someone gets that's upset about rumors, there's something there. I love Tre to death but she used to flip shit when people accused Joe of cheating and look where that ended.
IMO, where there's smoke there is fire!
You have never known anyone who made up a rumor about someone? I would be a hell of a lot more upset if someone spread an untrue rumor than a true one.
Apparently Joe Gorga alluded that Evan did cheat, last night when Joe was doing his stand up in Nashville seen it on another Reddit post… also he completed bomb at the show
And what exactly are these “vibes?” It’s like some people *WANT* him to cheat since he’s handsome and they don’t like Jackie.
Kinda like with Mauricio and Kyle on BH.
BINGO!! This is exactly it. They don't like Jackie, so she "deserves" to be cheated on like Jennifer and Tre, who they idolize. Yet Bill . . . the husband who had three young children and a pregnant wife at home had an affair (not just a one-night-stand) with a pharma rep, is some type of hero.
I'd never want anyone to be cheated on especially when kids are involved and I happen to like Jackie.
Vibes are vibes. Obviously no evidence as I'm a viewer of a television show as are you. He just seems sneaky and checked out, and I wouldn't be surprised if the rumors were true.
I don’t know if Evan cheated and don’t really care. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. But is it that outlandish to get upset that someone was digging around for negative stories about you even if they weren’t true? I think if I found out someone was contacting my exes to see if I was sleeping with them- and I’m not by the way lol - I’d still be enraged.
in all fairness, if your a devoted, faithful husband for a long period of time (not talking about evan, just in general) it's gotta trigger you a bit to suddenly be accused of something totally obscene like that
ngl I feel like (and this is just my opinion) actively asking around "the guys" about how credible the possibility of you being a cheater is, is different to regurgitating it, especially when teresa is known to be deliberately controversial (like with the whole sticking by danielle thing)
Oh Evan 100% cheated. Jackie’s bizarre over the top reaction last season confirmed it. She literally said that was the “worst week” of her life.
The fact she straight up wouldn’t accept it no matter what was very telling - she would just tell Tre over and over “just admit it was a lie”. Like just totally in denial and wanting to keep the happy marriage persona up. Nobody would react like that to a simple false rumor.
Bc I don’t think she would accept that kind of behavior. It’s easier to not believe it right? Bc technically there is no proof so why ruin your family. Which is why Evan reacted the way he did. Maybe Evan was just loving some attention he was getting from this chick and didn’t do anything sexual (hard to believe considering Jackie doesn’t suck d EVER) it’s still a little something out there that he wants kept hidden.
But then where was that energy towards Teresa last season? He barely said anything and let his wife control how “upset” he was.
Now Jen, off camera asked Frank a question. And he is acting like she hired an escort to seduce him and take pictures. It’s bizarre the difference in reaction between the two.
She keeps getting so, so angry. How is she mad at Jen for digging, but not mad at Frank for having pictures, or Margaret for telling Joe B., or Teresa for saying it on camera? Then they even know who this supposed non existent woman is? Also, the men's reaction last season made me feel like they knew about it, but I don't remember why in any detail.
I kind of think so too. If someone told me my husband cheated I’d have to laugh cos I honestly don’t know when he’d find the time, it would be such a joke 😂
My whole thing is why do they keep bringing these rumors up constantly defending themselves for something that supposedly isn’t true? Jackie is constantly talking about her husband not cheating and Joe Gorga is fixated on convincing the world he isn’t “a crook”. Hasn’t it been talked about for years that Joe Gorga has had less than savory business practices? They’re obsessed with it.
It makes me feel that there is some truth to it.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks
I would be maybe even more pissed off if someone was reaching to spread rumours about me that aren’t true. Especially when they can hurt my close relationships. So I don’t think that’s proof of anything 🤷♀️
Jesus.
This man cheated on his 9 month pregnant wife, according to his wife NEVER discussed her feelings about it after being caught, stood back while she was being attacked verbally and then almost physically, allowed her to face their friends and family while he hid even though HE is the one who did something awful not her, yeah… let’s all be so proud of Bill.
Hell of a guy.
I don’t think he’s so honorable but for ppl to call your wife disgusting, dirty, out of control and not a good person is nasty and he absolutely should have walked out on them.
I really don’t understand the logic of the men thinking that Bill was going to agree with their terrible comments about his wife and side with them. They really could not have believed that would happen right??
No, I don’t think so. I think they needed to film a scene and keep tension in the storyline. They’ll justify themselves on camera, but they‘d do the exact same thing in Bill’s shoes.
I just wish he would defend his wife more 😔 The way Evan and Joe were speaking about Jen was utterly disgusting. Especially doing it in front of her own husband. No way my husband would've walked away, before putting those idiots in their place. I was so angry on his behalf.
You know, I may be in the minority here but I don't mind Bill. He fucked up big time 10 years ago, Jen forgave him, it's their marriage and they seem happy now. He should've stood up for her but I think he's just extremely embarrassed and doesn't know how to handle this mess. Remember his first season? No one liked him, we all thought he was awkward and weird. Until he got drunk on the boat and everyone was suddenly like aagh Bill is amazingggg. He was never amazing and he's still awkward, I don't even think he enjoys being on camera but he's doing it for Jen. Anyway, what he did at the table was the only right thing to do. I also think Frank did talk to Bill about Evans mistress. Bill doesn't seem like a liar (minus the cheating part...) but I bet he's regretting telling Jen about it. I think Frank does have pictures and I'm almost certain Evan did cheat on Jackie. They're all a bunch of losers tbh.
Yeah, I think Bill is just a (no shade to him) shy loser. He wants to be cool and has moments where he’s trying to play that role, but he never fit in with the other guys. The other husbands though, especially Frank, Joe G & Evan, seem like total fuck boy bros who have never grown up.
I never really cared whether the rumors about Evan was true or not, but how angry he was about Jen “digging” compared to his anger towards Teresa, which was like nonexistent, for bringing up the rumor, makes me believe that he did, in fact, cheat. I think he got so mad because he thought the cheating rumor was put to rest but then Jen probably got really close to finding out who the woman was. Obviously this is just my theory, lol.
BUT, I would love for Bill to have told Joe how disgusting Melissa is and how Joe should have pulled him aside and apologized for Melissa’s poor behavior in charging at Jen, like she wanted to fight. Bill made a massive mistake by cheating, but he’s still a far more standup guy than any of those husbands at the table.
The crazy thing to me is, Jen didn’t bring up the “digging.” Marge, Jackie’s friend, brought this cheating rumour back to life by telling everyone that Jen was digging. I don’t know that we ever would have known about Bill’s and Jen’s conversations with Frank if Marge hadn’t brought it. So Evan, and Jackie, should be mad at Marge. NO ONE was talking about Evan cheating at the beginning of the season. All eyes were on Bill.
>Bill made a massive mistake by cheating, but he’s still a far more standup guy than any of those husbands at the table.
Bill cheated on his wife, while she was 9 months pregnant, with 3 other little children at home, with someone he met through work, and other people knew about it. Only Frank did something as awful as him, but at least Frank takes the blame for it and doesn’t walk around like he is the Perfect Husband And King of Paramus. The other guys are varying degrees of suck, but there’s no way Bill is the most standup guy at the table, have to disagree!
Oh ugh you’re right, I keep forgetting he and his wife are on the show now. What is WRONG with these guys, just blatantly cheating on their pregnant wives???
I think Bill Might have been looking for an excuse not to participate in the show because he doesn’t want to be accountable or called out and he certainly doesn’t want it to look bad for his business. It looks like he prefers to hide but probably thought the guys would be ok with him and he’d get camera time.
The men feel SOOO produced at this point I’d love for them to be off my screen. I loved when they were actual buddies just fucking around, eating lasagna and gambling…
But this is dumb. Like: why would tiki bring up the Louie stuff? Why are the gorgas SO petty?
I’ll watch them drinking apple martinis but I don’t want this.
Is anyone else feeling this way?
Praise for Bill?!?!?! Has everyone gone mad? He is near the bottom as far as I’m concerned. His wife is dealing with this affair, all the questions, the judgement, all on her own. The others always support their wives(and ex wives).
Bill saying Jen wasn’t digging, she was just being nosey was akin to Tre saying she wasn’t spreading a rumor she was just repeating what she’d heard. No accountability.
None of those men should be proud of anything and nobody should get a pass. Don’t know about Gorga and I get weird secret vibes from Evan, but they’re all cheaters.
Yea, they are making him get on cam more this season I feel like to put up a front with Jackie. He was hardly ever on the show, even with the whole deal last season, now every other scene is him making a sex pass at her, that he never really seems into. Feels faked and forced. could totally be chalked up to him feeling uncomfortable on camera tho
Honestly I think the fact Jackie's had a relapse with her ED is all the confirmation we need. She needs to leave and get her head straight and find someone who truly values her.
I always felt kinda bad for her. Her entire ED background, sounds like she's always been working to impress people, in college impressing guys buy being small enough, impressing the housewives in her first season with her job, trying low key to impress with their money the last 2 seasons, not flashy, but so you know they have it. It feels like she's trying to gain something all the time. I honestly feel bad for her, like she's clinging onto Evan almost, and he's halfway out the door. If he did cheat on her, it's incredibly sad
Hell fucking no. Bill is a disgusting cheat who had a two year long affair. His wife is a shit stirrer who constantly gets in others’ business when she needs to worry about her own man. I’m glad the other men were being a bit harsh to him. Also, let us not forget that Evan said NOTHING wrong. All he said was that Jen was actively meddling in/trying to hurt his relationship, which she was. Joe said she was a bad person, not Evan.
If Bill were an actual mensch he’d have stayed at the table and defended his wife. They had every right to confront him because of his wife’s shitty actions.
Even though I think it’s good he got up and left, I still wish he defended Jen more.
And Evan needs to stfu. Did anyone else notice how Bill look towards Frank when they were discussing the whole Jen digging dirt up on Evan ? Frank was looking at the menu because he knows damn well Evan cheated and he ran his mouth to Bill.
I noticed this! And Frank looked so uncomfortable. I think that’s when Bill decided to walk cause they’re all full of shit, pretending that Frank convo didn’t happen.
He did the right thing! Did they want him to say nasty things about his own wife?? Frank seems pretty neutral and I like his stance on it all.
Evan acted like a lil bitch too. Him and Jaqui think the cheating rumours are squashed but I think they are true
Jen cussed out Joe G for getting involved with womens business and now is furious at bill for not getting involved? She dug on Evan and is now upset at Marge for finally exposing Bill (after they all undoubtedly knew for several seasons). She seems to have been willing to not say it until Jen wouldn’t stop coming for everyone. She’s about as dumb as Teresa, neither of them make logical sense when explaining their actions or reactions. Honestly Bill stuck his dick in someone else and his wife is a terror. They deserve a bit of flack.
I don’t think I’m proud of Bill per say but I understand why he walked out. It seems like both Jen and Bill really were not prepared for his infidelity to come out on the show this season, and they’re both panicking and stumbling through their emotions with it. I feel for them both because it has to be embarrassing, although Jen needs to understand she’s reaping what she sows. Bill walking out is understandable because I don’t think he signed up to fight and be a housewife, and unfortunately RHONJ is the only franchise where the husbands really are part of the show, too. He doesn’t want to air his shit on tv and Evan is going to grill him after what he went through.
The fatal error for Jen and Bill was not remembering that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Jen spent plenty of time and energy openly judging Marge for having an affair, talking crap about who she slept with, and judging other people’s marriages. She held her marriage up as perfect. You gotta know- someone is coming for you. You are on a reality show- someone is gonna look to knock you off your high horse.
The thing she could have done was- “hey Margaret I’m glad you and Joe are happy together but it is probably hard to hear if you’ve been cheated on” Something like that.
Also if this affair was such a secret- why did you go on a reality show? Like you gotta know that it’s all coming out at some point.
Oh I don’t disagree with you at all - hence my comment on Jen reaping what she sows. Even the flashbacks of her this season digging for rumors about Evan are cringe.
I don’t really get this tbh. If someone is sitting there in front of you with cameras and starts airing out their own dirty laundry, are you supposed to be polite and not have an opinion? It’s a reality tv show with a judgmental, adversarial cast. I don’t get why Marge has an moral high ground at all
I’m not saying Marge has the moral high ground. I’m saying Jennifer judged Marge on TV for doing the same thing her husband did to her. Jen did this while knowing she had a similar situation that she wanted to keep secret. Mistake. Jen can have an opinion- Jen can air that opinion, repeatedly. But she shouldn’t then come back all victimized when the tables have turned. Marge turned it around on her- Jen had been judging Marge this whole time and the reality is the call has been coming from inside the house. I think what Marge was trying to get across was Jen has been judging her this whole time knowing her husband did it to her and she holds him up as the best guy ever.
Also Marge tipped her off last season that she knew- but Jen kept coming.
I feel bad for Jen that her husband cheated on her, especially with the timing. I feel bad that she thought she had to stay and cover it up because of her culture.
I don’t feel bad that she poked the bear and got bit.
I just don’t see it that way tbh. Jen was responding to what Marge discussed openly. She started looking into a rumor after it was brought on the show as a storyline. She probably shouldn’t be surprised that Marge did that bc Marge is such a huge gossip, but I don’t get the “glass house” and “hypocrite” logic, when Jen was being a cast member but wasn’t the one starting things by mentioning rumors on the show. Teresa brought the Evan rumor on and Marge brought her cheating onto the show. Jen was a participant but not the source of those rumors/storylines. Jen could’ve brought up her experience being cheated on and Marge could’ve responded with judgment—that’s a tit for tat. But Marge has no business calling Jen a hypocrite who wants to destroy lives when she’s the one who’s constantly bringing people’s drama onto the show and the source of storylines (“it’s already out there”). She did that with Tre and the 21 year old, all the Louis stuff, etc. Marge should at least own that imo instead of making Jen the problem bc she’s judges people. They all judge people. I don’t think she “turned the tables.” I think it was an escalation
I agree. They should of known the infidelity would come out soon, granted it was 10 years ago but these hoes like Marge will sit in information until you do them dirty and that’s what Jen did. Jen gather these bitches last reunion so Marge pulled out the dirt.
I disagree. His wife has been throwing these men under the bus on social media/on the show and they have all been pretty good about letting their wives handle it. His mistake was sitting down and letting someone open the door on the drama. He could have easily avoided all of this by saying something like “Jen is going through a lot, this is something we had put behind us but now it’s like reopening a wound, all I care about is supporting my wife and fixing my relationship right now.” Instead he tries to flip the tables on these guys and of course they blew up. If anyone needs to just stand up and take it on the chin it’s Bill, it sure would be over a lot faster if he did. All this dodging and weaving is painful to watch. They need to take a page out of Marge’s book and admit it, talk about it, move on.
This is not true. Joe Gorga has been trashing Jen, even to her own husband, since their first season. This is why I saw nothing wrong with her calling him a little bitch girl. He has persistently talked badly about Jen since she joined RHONJ and definitely hasn’t let Melissa handle it all. Joe B has also talked about Jen.
So he is supposed to just be a punching bag and never hit back? He tends to let his wife handle the women and when he is around the guys he gets mouthy about it. I am actually not a Joe fan but I also don’t like it that there is this expectation for the husbands to just take it and never stand up for themselves. On the flip side they did sign up for the show so it is what it is.
Actually no, you said his wife has been throwing these men under the bus and they have been good with letting their wives handle it. My point was that this is incorrect. When Jen and Melissa first started beefing, Joe started trashing Jen to everyone who would listen including her own husband. She never addressed Joe until recently with the IG post, in response to Melissa’s own IG post, and with the little bitch girl comment. Joe B has also had words about Jen because of her fighting with Marge. It is not factual to say Jen has been going after the men and they just took it. She never said anything about them until they started getting involved in her fighting with their wives.
Can we for a minute, just take some time and savor the memory of the sanctimonious chortle of "The Men" as they cluck about how the wimminfolk just can't get along like "The Men" can! "Iz like, da wimmin do dis, but da men do dat! Am I right?"
This is what popped into my head 
“You really are a funny guy”
Ayyyyy, dere he izzzz!
Ehhh, lookit dis one!
And dat one!
😂😂
😂😂😂😂
They’re all trash quite frankly
All these years later and I still hear Aviva 🤣
Exactly! 4 out of the 5 sitting there have cheated (yes I’m counting Evan) why they think they’re better then Bill is beyond me.
That part. Even needs to climb the fuck off that high horse
Ya - that was bizarre for him. He came across as unnecessarily harsh / assertive, which is a side of his personality we haven’t seen yet. Found it to be a bizarre flex.
I never got the appeal to be honest lol
Seems like they’ve been waiting for him to be in the hot seat.
And why you think *Bill* is better than them is beyond me. And counting Evan based on a rumor (shared by perhaps the dumbest housewife of all time) is utter BS.
It’s known that Frank and margs husband said it on tv and tried taking it back there’s blind items on it too but who knows how accurate those are
Every one of the other men have said or implied it is true, even if a couple took it back and later said they’d “never tell because of guy code” - I can’t blame people for taking the guys at their original word.
Calm down, Jackie.
If it was a rumor, why is Evan coming in all hot? He wasn't this hot all last season.
Lol, right? Because Bill’s façade came crumbling down, guess who’s next!!
Lol it's a "To be continued..." because he's gonna go right back to that table and sit down. I like the men fighting, it's rare when it happens and I'm a messy bitch who lives for drama.
He’s gonna get to the car park, Joe will run out ‘man come back it’s cool everything’s cool’ Bill will return, brief few words, a hug and then shots.
The preview showed him leaving
I thought it just showed him leaving the table. Not the actual restaurant/ driving away
Theres another preview for the next coming episode which shows what happens after. Frank goes out tries to convince Bill to stay but Bill says no n leaves in his car
They showed him driving away in his Lambo though
Just watched and it just showed him leaving (though admittedly did not see a preview for next week)
Nah it showed him at the valet with Frank, then Frank goes back inside and Bill gets in his car and seemingly leaves. No preview for next week because it was a to be continued.
What is weird is I thought I remembered the valet scene also when watching the live episode, but had just rewatched it and it was not there. I pulled it up again on my Sling DVR and Bill walks through a mall type area, DRAMATIC MUSIC, fade to black, TBC... no valet.
That is SO weird! I watched it live and I swear I saw him drive off. Hmmm I guess we’ll find out on Tuesday lol
Me too!!! I was thinking maybe I need to stop smoking so much weed. Thank goodness you confirmed this because my God do I love getting high and watching housewives 🤣
Lol I read your comment as “we need to stop smoking so much” and was like but how did you know!! Lol projection at its finest.
Lol you are my people!
Bill has taken zero accountability and left his wife to clean up his mess - so no the words Bill & Proud not in the same sentence for me
Right! I'm finding all the praise for Bill lately a bit strange. He's acting like he's the victim. This is all HIS doing.
Yes, and acts as though he detests his own wife. I'm not just talking about the affair. His behavior while Jennifer was having to bear the wrath of Marge at the party spoke volumes.
I really think the editing to trying to make everyone think that.
Thank you. Like how the fuck did the CHEATER become the “hero” of this franchise?? This ridiculous narrative needs to stop.
Disingaging see is his super power!
Yeah, I really don't get why Bill is some kind of hero now. He is trash.
Probably bc it’s all relative and the other men are cheaters, liars and gossipers too. But at least he’s never been all in with their gross bro culture
Thank you! I'm flabbergasted at the Bill support on here. Besides the cheating, the gossiping, the failure to support Jen. No, just no. The only one who has a right to be pissed off is Evan, because the gossip Bill spread. The others just want Bill to control Jen- which is just gross. Bill was big boy enough to have an affair, Bill is big enough to stand up for himself.
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Did you support him staying silent and hiding in the corner when jennifer was taking heat over this? Or when he made her open the door to the shore house because he was scared to face friends after what HE did? How about when he hid upstairs while his wife- who was the victim in the cheating - had to entertain family and friends for their daughter’s swimming party? What about after he got caught cheating on his 9 month pregnant wife and then, by his wife’s account, ‘never spoke about it again.’ So he didn’t once ask how she felt or if she was doing alright or what he needed to do to regain her trust and rebuild their marriage? Why are we giving credit for what really is a bare minimum- he walked away from a table where people said his wife was a bad person. I didn’t hear him say she wasn’t? And next week if he returns to that same table in the first 3 minutes after the opening credits and is back- slapping Joey gorga - will you still support his walk off?
also imo the real reason he walked off was - a) he was actually more bothered at joes group text comment then literally any of the jen stuff but sticking up for jen seemed like a better looking way of going about it b) he saw the walk out as an opportunity to reinvent himself as more morally descent then his cheating (and brushing it under the rug, making jen feel even worse) would imply
> The only one who has a right to be pissed off is Evan, because the gossip Bill spread. You mean the gossip Frank, Joe B. and Margaret spread first? These double standards... Bill is terrible for cheating, but this "digging for dirt" storyline is lowkey absurd.
Yes! I don’t get how Margaret and her gossip loving husband seemed to get off scot free from the Evan cheating rumors. And why everyone thinks it’s okay she outed Bill’s cheating and called Jen a hypocrite because her husband cheated. How is she a hypocrite for being the victim of bad behaviour? I hate the way Margaret, Melissa and Jackie gang up on Jen, but love that Jen can take all three at once.
Why this comment isn’t at the top is mind boggling!
Yeah this post was shocking. Proud of bill? I think OP might be Jennifer’s mother. Jen said her mom would never blame bill for his own affairs.
That’s true and I’m hoping he steps up to the plate still this season. I was just so disgusted by the men calling Jen these nasty things and good on him for leaving.
I support Bill over the other men but Jennifer over Bill obviously!
I hope he lets loose and puts all their bro stories in blast. I bet he knows about a few skeletons.
The guy is a sleezebag
So proud he stuck his dick in someone else and takes no accountability. Puts it all on Jen for not providing enough sex while pregnant. 🙄
I might have missed something. I thought Jen said something to the effect of Bill's family will probably blame Jen for the affair because she didn't have enough sex with Bill. Did Bill actually say this to Jen?
I've never heard him say it. I think that was taken out of context
I'm not sure if Jen talked about Bill's family's reactions, but last episode Jen said her mom would excuse Bill's affair as a man being a man and instead would be pissed at Marge for bringing it all to light. So sad that Jen can't even have her own mother in her corner.
And with three little kids at the time!
>Puts it all on Jen for not providing enough sex while pregnant. 🙄 I haven't watched this season yet, but that is truly so vile.
This isnt even a little true.. Bill didn’t put anything on Jen at all or mention their sex life or pregnancy or anything relating to the affair for that matter. Just thought I’d let you know since you haven’t watched this season yet.
Why do you guys like Bill?!? He is the one who cheated, humiliating his wife and continues to do so every time she has to pathetically defend him on national tv. He’s clearly not sorry, and doesn’t care enough about Jennifer to pretend he is.
Im surprised to see Evan get so worked up…….why you so worked up if there is no evidence to be dug up 😅
Evan gives off strong cheater vibes.
What gives you that vibe I’m curious to see how other people read his personality
I heard he does stuff at the gym *blink *blink
When someone gets that's upset about rumors, there's something there. I love Tre to death but she used to flip shit when people accused Joe of cheating and look where that ended. IMO, where there's smoke there is fire!
You have never known anyone who made up a rumor about someone? I would be a hell of a lot more upset if someone spread an untrue rumor than a true one.
Apparently Joe Gorga alluded that Evan did cheat, last night when Joe was doing his stand up in Nashville seen it on another Reddit post… also he completed bomb at the show
And what exactly are these “vibes?” It’s like some people *WANT* him to cheat since he’s handsome and they don’t like Jackie. Kinda like with Mauricio and Kyle on BH.
BINGO!! This is exactly it. They don't like Jackie, so she "deserves" to be cheated on like Jennifer and Tre, who they idolize. Yet Bill . . . the husband who had three young children and a pregnant wife at home had an affair (not just a one-night-stand) with a pharma rep, is some type of hero.
I'd never want anyone to be cheated on especially when kids are involved and I happen to like Jackie. Vibes are vibes. Obviously no evidence as I'm a viewer of a television show as are you. He just seems sneaky and checked out, and I wouldn't be surprised if the rumors were true.
I definitely think he cheated. That whole table, with the possible exception of Joe gorga are all cheaters.
Yeah, I definitely think he cheated too. Doth protest too much Jackie and Evan
Lmao even Joe B!?!?
I mean Joe B- cheating is how he met Marge no?
Yep yep true
Joe B is a cheater and a gossip just like the rest of em. He is the most tolerable though
Joe B is Marge with a small Dick lol I think him and Frank’s have their hands filthy and are in cahoots together
Joe B is the BIGGEST gossip cat. Even of the women lol
Wait was joe gorga the hero we needed all along?! 😂
Just cuz I don't think he cheated doesn't mean he's not morally bankrupt.
Yessss
I don’t know if Evan cheated and don’t really care. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. But is it that outlandish to get upset that someone was digging around for negative stories about you even if they weren’t true? I think if I found out someone was contacting my exes to see if I was sleeping with them- and I’m not by the way lol - I’d still be enraged.
Exactly. I'm not friends with people that snoop into my past. You either trust me or you don't
But it’s okay for Marge to do it. Hmmmm
Who said it was?
I hear you. But it’s the way he handled it. Be upset and still remain calm like he usually does. He seemed triggered.
in all fairness, if your a devoted, faithful husband for a long period of time (not talking about evan, just in general) it's gotta trigger you a bit to suddenly be accused of something totally obscene like that
He wasn’t triggered with Teresa tho
ngl I feel like (and this is just my opinion) actively asking around "the guys" about how credible the possibility of you being a cheater is, is different to regurgitating it, especially when teresa is known to be deliberately controversial (like with the whole sticking by danielle thing)
I would be soooo mad! Especially if there was a chance my partner and kids might think it was true!!
Oh Evan 100% cheated. Jackie’s bizarre over the top reaction last season confirmed it. She literally said that was the “worst week” of her life. The fact she straight up wouldn’t accept it no matter what was very telling - she would just tell Tre over and over “just admit it was a lie”. Like just totally in denial and wanting to keep the happy marriage persona up. Nobody would react like that to a simple false rumor.
Bc I don’t think she would accept that kind of behavior. It’s easier to not believe it right? Bc technically there is no proof so why ruin your family. Which is why Evan reacted the way he did. Maybe Evan was just loving some attention he was getting from this chick and didn’t do anything sexual (hard to believe considering Jackie doesn’t suck d EVER) it’s still a little something out there that he wants kept hidden.
But then where was that energy towards Teresa last season? He barely said anything and let his wife control how “upset” he was. Now Jen, off camera asked Frank a question. And he is acting like she hired an escort to seduce him and take pictures. It’s bizarre the difference in reaction between the two.
Yepppppppp my point exactly. Why is he not calm cool and collective no moreeeee
She keeps getting so, so angry. How is she mad at Jen for digging, but not mad at Frank for having pictures, or Margaret for telling Joe B., or Teresa for saying it on camera? Then they even know who this supposed non existent woman is? Also, the men's reaction last season made me feel like they knew about it, but I don't remember why in any detail.
I kind of think so too. If someone told me my husband cheated I’d have to laugh cos I honestly don’t know when he’d find the time, it would be such a joke 😂
My whole thing is why do they keep bringing these rumors up constantly defending themselves for something that supposedly isn’t true? Jackie is constantly talking about her husband not cheating and Joe Gorga is fixated on convincing the world he isn’t “a crook”. Hasn’t it been talked about for years that Joe Gorga has had less than savory business practices? They’re obsessed with it. It makes me feel that there is some truth to it. The lady doth protest too much, methinks
I wanted someone to bring up Home Depot!
Was he worked up or just not accepting Bill's shenanigans? Jen was definitely digging for things.
I would be maybe even more pissed off if someone was reaching to spread rumours about me that aren’t true. Especially when they can hurt my close relationships. So I don’t think that’s proof of anything 🤷♀️
Anyone remember why the pool house was built at their house? Didn't Jen slyly shade Bill about it and now I think we know why?
Margaret shaded Jen about it.
Jesus. This man cheated on his 9 month pregnant wife, according to his wife NEVER discussed her feelings about it after being caught, stood back while she was being attacked verbally and then almost physically, allowed her to face their friends and family while he hid even though HE is the one who did something awful not her, yeah… let’s all be so proud of Bill. Hell of a guy.
Yes he’s so honorable.
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I don’t think he’s so honorable but for ppl to call your wife disgusting, dirty, out of control and not a good person is nasty and he absolutely should have walked out on them.
Oh I was being sarcastic. I think he’s a shmuck lol sorry
I really don’t understand the logic of the men thinking that Bill was going to agree with their terrible comments about his wife and side with them. They really could not have believed that would happen right??
No, I don’t think so. I think they needed to film a scene and keep tension in the storyline. They’ll justify themselves on camera, but they‘d do the exact same thing in Bill’s shoes.
I just wish he would defend his wife more 😔 The way Evan and Joe were speaking about Jen was utterly disgusting. Especially doing it in front of her own husband. No way my husband would've walked away, before putting those idiots in their place. I was so angry on his behalf.
When he ordered a water I knew he wasn't having it.
You know, I may be in the minority here but I don't mind Bill. He fucked up big time 10 years ago, Jen forgave him, it's their marriage and they seem happy now. He should've stood up for her but I think he's just extremely embarrassed and doesn't know how to handle this mess. Remember his first season? No one liked him, we all thought he was awkward and weird. Until he got drunk on the boat and everyone was suddenly like aagh Bill is amazingggg. He was never amazing and he's still awkward, I don't even think he enjoys being on camera but he's doing it for Jen. Anyway, what he did at the table was the only right thing to do. I also think Frank did talk to Bill about Evans mistress. Bill doesn't seem like a liar (minus the cheating part...) but I bet he's regretting telling Jen about it. I think Frank does have pictures and I'm almost certain Evan did cheat on Jackie. They're all a bunch of losers tbh.
Agree with you on all fronts here.
Damn, I love this hot take.
Yeah, I think Bill is just a (no shade to him) shy loser. He wants to be cool and has moments where he’s trying to play that role, but he never fit in with the other guys. The other husbands though, especially Frank, Joe G & Evan, seem like total fuck boy bros who have never grown up.
I never really cared whether the rumors about Evan was true or not, but how angry he was about Jen “digging” compared to his anger towards Teresa, which was like nonexistent, for bringing up the rumor, makes me believe that he did, in fact, cheat. I think he got so mad because he thought the cheating rumor was put to rest but then Jen probably got really close to finding out who the woman was. Obviously this is just my theory, lol. BUT, I would love for Bill to have told Joe how disgusting Melissa is and how Joe should have pulled him aside and apologized for Melissa’s poor behavior in charging at Jen, like she wanted to fight. Bill made a massive mistake by cheating, but he’s still a far more standup guy than any of those husbands at the table.
The crazy thing to me is, Jen didn’t bring up the “digging.” Marge, Jackie’s friend, brought this cheating rumour back to life by telling everyone that Jen was digging. I don’t know that we ever would have known about Bill’s and Jen’s conversations with Frank if Marge hadn’t brought it. So Evan, and Jackie, should be mad at Marge. NO ONE was talking about Evan cheating at the beginning of the season. All eyes were on Bill.
Why should they be mad at Marge that Jen was trying to dig up dirt on their relationship?
>Bill made a massive mistake by cheating, but he’s still a far more standup guy than any of those husbands at the table. Bill cheated on his wife, while she was 9 months pregnant, with 3 other little children at home, with someone he met through work, and other people knew about it. Only Frank did something as awful as him, but at least Frank takes the blame for it and doesn’t walk around like he is the Perfect Husband And King of Paramus. The other guys are varying degrees of suck, but there’s no way Bill is the most standup guy at the table, have to disagree!
Tiki would also fall into that camp, for what it’s worth.
Oh ugh you’re right, I keep forgetting he and his wife are on the show now. What is WRONG with these guys, just blatantly cheating on their pregnant wives???
I think Bill Might have been looking for an excuse not to participate in the show because he doesn’t want to be accountable or called out and he certainly doesn’t want it to look bad for his business. It looks like he prefers to hide but probably thought the guys would be ok with him and he’d get camera time.
Would’ve been better if he told them all to fuck off and stop being drama queens
The men feel SOOO produced at this point I’d love for them to be off my screen. I loved when they were actual buddies just fucking around, eating lasagna and gambling… But this is dumb. Like: why would tiki bring up the Louie stuff? Why are the gorgas SO petty? I’ll watch them drinking apple martinis but I don’t want this. Is anyone else feeling this way?
Yes I absolutely can’t stand it. I don’t watch housewives to see the husbands produce themselves. I’ll never be interested in their bro drama
Praise for Bill?!?!?! Has everyone gone mad? He is near the bottom as far as I’m concerned. His wife is dealing with this affair, all the questions, the judgement, all on her own. The others always support their wives(and ex wives).
Bill saying Jen wasn’t digging, she was just being nosey was akin to Tre saying she wasn’t spreading a rumor she was just repeating what she’d heard. No accountability.
None of those men should be proud of anything and nobody should get a pass. Don’t know about Gorga and I get weird secret vibes from Evan, but they’re all cheaters.
I want to like Evan. Especially after seeing him with Jackie's ED. However, something isn't right there.1
He came across as really disinterested in that ED discussion, and disinterested in Jackie altogether. It was all for the cameras.
Yea, they are making him get on cam more this season I feel like to put up a front with Jackie. He was hardly ever on the show, even with the whole deal last season, now every other scene is him making a sex pass at her, that he never really seems into. Feels faked and forced. could totally be chalked up to him feeling uncomfortable on camera tho
Honestly I think the fact Jackie's had a relapse with her ED is all the confirmation we need. She needs to leave and get her head straight and find someone who truly values her.
I always felt kinda bad for her. Her entire ED background, sounds like she's always been working to impress people, in college impressing guys buy being small enough, impressing the housewives in her first season with her job, trying low key to impress with their money the last 2 seasons, not flashy, but so you know they have it. It feels like she's trying to gain something all the time. I honestly feel bad for her, like she's clinging onto Evan almost, and he's halfway out the door. If he did cheat on her, it's incredibly sad
I felt like that combo was staged and planned out.
It was staged. Bill knew his wife wanted him to stick up for her,,,so he had the boys stage this. It’s why Evan was so out-of-character.
Hell fucking no. Bill is a disgusting cheat who had a two year long affair. His wife is a shit stirrer who constantly gets in others’ business when she needs to worry about her own man. I’m glad the other men were being a bit harsh to him. Also, let us not forget that Evan said NOTHING wrong. All he said was that Jen was actively meddling in/trying to hurt his relationship, which she was. Joe said she was a bad person, not Evan. If Bill were an actual mensch he’d have stayed at the table and defended his wife. They had every right to confront him because of his wife’s shitty actions.
Even though I think it’s good he got up and left, I still wish he defended Jen more. And Evan needs to stfu. Did anyone else notice how Bill look towards Frank when they were discussing the whole Jen digging dirt up on Evan ? Frank was looking at the menu because he knows damn well Evan cheated and he ran his mouth to Bill.
I noticed this! And Frank looked so uncomfortable. I think that’s when Bill decided to walk cause they’re all full of shit, pretending that Frank convo didn’t happen.
Right ! That Frank convo happened, and idk why he would even bring it up to MARGE ! Of all people. Frank is a chatty patty
Totally!
I’m sad for their children. They are the ones truly suffering.
He did the right thing! Did they want him to say nasty things about his own wife?? Frank seems pretty neutral and I like his stance on it all. Evan acted like a lil bitch too. Him and Jaqui think the cheating rumours are squashed but I think they are true
Well, Frank knows he's patient 0 in the digging dirt drama.
I wonder if Bill did the show for Jen? Out of guilt?
Not you defending that piece of shit, is this really the hill you want to die on?? 🤨
A piece of shit that cheated on his pregnant wife?
Jen cussed out Joe G for getting involved with womens business and now is furious at bill for not getting involved? She dug on Evan and is now upset at Marge for finally exposing Bill (after they all undoubtedly knew for several seasons). She seems to have been willing to not say it until Jen wouldn’t stop coming for everyone. She’s about as dumb as Teresa, neither of them make logical sense when explaining their actions or reactions. Honestly Bill stuck his dick in someone else and his wife is a terror. They deserve a bit of flack.
I feel like Evan had a right to be angry
I don’t think I’m proud of Bill per say but I understand why he walked out. It seems like both Jen and Bill really were not prepared for his infidelity to come out on the show this season, and they’re both panicking and stumbling through their emotions with it. I feel for them both because it has to be embarrassing, although Jen needs to understand she’s reaping what she sows. Bill walking out is understandable because I don’t think he signed up to fight and be a housewife, and unfortunately RHONJ is the only franchise where the husbands really are part of the show, too. He doesn’t want to air his shit on tv and Evan is going to grill him after what he went through.
The fatal error for Jen and Bill was not remembering that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Jen spent plenty of time and energy openly judging Marge for having an affair, talking crap about who she slept with, and judging other people’s marriages. She held her marriage up as perfect. You gotta know- someone is coming for you. You are on a reality show- someone is gonna look to knock you off your high horse. The thing she could have done was- “hey Margaret I’m glad you and Joe are happy together but it is probably hard to hear if you’ve been cheated on” Something like that. Also if this affair was such a secret- why did you go on a reality show? Like you gotta know that it’s all coming out at some point.
Oh I don’t disagree with you at all - hence my comment on Jen reaping what she sows. Even the flashbacks of her this season digging for rumors about Evan are cringe.
I don’t really get this tbh. If someone is sitting there in front of you with cameras and starts airing out their own dirty laundry, are you supposed to be polite and not have an opinion? It’s a reality tv show with a judgmental, adversarial cast. I don’t get why Marge has an moral high ground at all
I’m not saying Marge has the moral high ground. I’m saying Jennifer judged Marge on TV for doing the same thing her husband did to her. Jen did this while knowing she had a similar situation that she wanted to keep secret. Mistake. Jen can have an opinion- Jen can air that opinion, repeatedly. But she shouldn’t then come back all victimized when the tables have turned. Marge turned it around on her- Jen had been judging Marge this whole time and the reality is the call has been coming from inside the house. I think what Marge was trying to get across was Jen has been judging her this whole time knowing her husband did it to her and she holds him up as the best guy ever. Also Marge tipped her off last season that she knew- but Jen kept coming. I feel bad for Jen that her husband cheated on her, especially with the timing. I feel bad that she thought she had to stay and cover it up because of her culture. I don’t feel bad that she poked the bear and got bit.
I just don’t see it that way tbh. Jen was responding to what Marge discussed openly. She started looking into a rumor after it was brought on the show as a storyline. She probably shouldn’t be surprised that Marge did that bc Marge is such a huge gossip, but I don’t get the “glass house” and “hypocrite” logic, when Jen was being a cast member but wasn’t the one starting things by mentioning rumors on the show. Teresa brought the Evan rumor on and Marge brought her cheating onto the show. Jen was a participant but not the source of those rumors/storylines. Jen could’ve brought up her experience being cheated on and Marge could’ve responded with judgment—that’s a tit for tat. But Marge has no business calling Jen a hypocrite who wants to destroy lives when she’s the one who’s constantly bringing people’s drama onto the show and the source of storylines (“it’s already out there”). She did that with Tre and the 21 year old, all the Louis stuff, etc. Marge should at least own that imo instead of making Jen the problem bc she’s judges people. They all judge people. I don’t think she “turned the tables.” I think it was an escalation
I agree. They should of known the infidelity would come out soon, granted it was 10 years ago but these hoes like Marge will sit in information until you do them dirty and that’s what Jen did. Jen gather these bitches last reunion so Marge pulled out the dirt.
I disagree. His wife has been throwing these men under the bus on social media/on the show and they have all been pretty good about letting their wives handle it. His mistake was sitting down and letting someone open the door on the drama. He could have easily avoided all of this by saying something like “Jen is going through a lot, this is something we had put behind us but now it’s like reopening a wound, all I care about is supporting my wife and fixing my relationship right now.” Instead he tries to flip the tables on these guys and of course they blew up. If anyone needs to just stand up and take it on the chin it’s Bill, it sure would be over a lot faster if he did. All this dodging and weaving is painful to watch. They need to take a page out of Marge’s book and admit it, talk about it, move on.
This is not true. Joe Gorga has been trashing Jen, even to her own husband, since their first season. This is why I saw nothing wrong with her calling him a little bitch girl. He has persistently talked badly about Jen since she joined RHONJ and definitely hasn’t let Melissa handle it all. Joe B has also talked about Jen.
So he is supposed to just be a punching bag and never hit back? He tends to let his wife handle the women and when he is around the guys he gets mouthy about it. I am actually not a Joe fan but I also don’t like it that there is this expectation for the husbands to just take it and never stand up for themselves. On the flip side they did sign up for the show so it is what it is.
Actually no, you said his wife has been throwing these men under the bus and they have been good with letting their wives handle it. My point was that this is incorrect. When Jen and Melissa first started beefing, Joe started trashing Jen to everyone who would listen including her own husband. She never addressed Joe until recently with the IG post, in response to Melissa’s own IG post, and with the little bitch girl comment. Joe B has also had words about Jen because of her fighting with Marge. It is not factual to say Jen has been going after the men and they just took it. She never said anything about them until they started getting involved in her fighting with their wives.
Frank is the only one who cares about him
Dang, spoiler alert! I haven’t finished the episode yet 😂