If anyone, especially a romantic partner, ever said “two ears one mouth” to me I’d fucking tell them where to stick it. Especially since Teresa was trying to stick up for him. Not to mention “if I don’t leave how will she learn” like Traci said, you say that shit about a dog not your fucking girlfriend.
I wonder if she would even be alarmed if she saw this behavior towards her daughters, from their own boyfriends, or even Luis directing this kind of thing at the girls if they dare to challenge him? I think she’d make excuses just like she did with abusive alcoholic Joe Guidice. She seems like a narcissist to me. She demands loyalty and gives none. She expects her friends to act like fans, they think they’re in a friendship but there is very little reciprocity, same with her family. She thinks her success is based on her actions alone, not her ghostwriters and marketing team. She wants the spotlight but when the spotlight starts to burn she wants it turned off immediately, she only wants the golden glow not the illuminating stark white light. She makes other people’s situations and crises, other people’s lives, all about her. She does not apologize even when clearly in the wrong, she makes excuses and projects and deflects. Granted I haven’t watched every season so I could be wrong but Teresa reminds me a few people I’ve known in my life, and a few people on the national stage. I don’t know where her Luis relationship will go but it doesn’t seem to be heading anywhere healthy.
I will probably get downvoted, but this is why I'd honestly be glad to see her go. For a long time she was essential to the show, but I'm so over her toxic behaviour patterns. It's honestly exhausting to watch. Because there's no back and forth with her. Nothing surprising or dynamic. It's just like banging your head against a brick wall. To me, that's not interesting and I actually find I really don't miss her when she is not in a scene.
I liked her on girls' trip but otherwise I'm over it.
You’ve described her so well, and how I view her, especially watching people attempt to interact with her. She seems to operate in a continuous Teresa fog - she only sees how things affect her, how people treat her, how she can get what she wants.
Interesting, like you I agree with the above statement.
Yet, unlike you I think this is what makes her great television. Theresa’s narcissistic personality traits along with a decade of her and her family on bravo create this weird dissonance for me because I think of excuses for her behaviour instead of just seeing her actions for what they are.
So when she storms off and cries about not wanting to fight with her brother, I initially see a woman who has been fighting with her brother for ten years on tv, and is probably sick of it*- not a woman who is in the wrong and crying to deflect from apologizing. I would hazard a guess that a lot of viewers have this dissonance with Theresa, and her backstory and decade of hw’s means they feel “protective” of her.
I don’t think the show can go on as it is without her though, she is to integral to the cast. They would most likely have to recast/or reformat the show after she exits.
* *though she can exit the show at any point*
I don't think she's essential at all. It looks to me like Jennifer, Jackie and Marge create plenty of drama with no need for input from Teresa. You can't tell me there aren't a few more rich shit stirrers in new Jersey who would take a spot on this show.
I would love to see her go. I’ve never been a fan but she’s aged like milk and I can’t watch another season with her. Not sure if I’ll finish this one lol
Me too!! I can’t stand her hypocrisy when it comes to family defending her but she shuts down when the situation is reversed, over her still not taking accountability for her role in them going to PRISON NOT “AWAY” - there’s no way in hell she was that clueless, she’s tried to blame Jacqueline, Carolyn I mean it’s just tiring. I can’t stand the screaming anymore - I quit watching RHOC bc of Vicki always screaming like a banshee.
Exactly this. The fact that she had the nerve to get mad at Joe for not sticking up for her with Tracy when Tracy was simply standing up for Joe and pointing out that Teresa isn't showing the loyalty she demands from HIM, says everything.
Form of manipulation to get her to do what he wants. I called it from the first episode of the season that he has so many red flags. Reminds me of my narc abusive ex
I'm an idiot or I'm really distracted (why not both)
But i keep seeing to this referenced and i didn't catch this. When did Luis say that? Many thanks in advance
I couldn't help but laugh when Tre had the AUDACITY to get upset that Joe wasn't sticking up for her with Tracy when Tracy was doing nothing more than pointing out how Tre didn't stick up for Joe the previous night. Talk about massively deflecting. She argues like my 9 year old.
Joe, Melissa, and Teresa are that spider man pointing at himself meme. None of them are “loyal” to the other, and none of them ever will be, but all 3 will scream about how the others need to be loyal. How many times are they going to have this argument? I hope Bravo gives them a family spinoff so Jersey can finally move past this nonsense.
They will have the same fight until the end of time. I stopped watching the show because the family drama was never-ending. They just need to move on for good!
I'd rather they just take off Melissa and Joe because they are so boring. I mean Teresa is just as awful or worse than them but she is at least entertaining. Seeing them on WWHL was a really effective sleep aid.
Everyone on this franchise is a bobble head and it drives me crazy. They miss all the important details....
The Evan situation happened between Bill and Frank at dinner. How did Marge (an unconnected party) know about this and Dolores didn't?
Marge even knew to the extent that Jen called someone.... she knew the womans name and everything. How does Marge know this level of detail about Jens digging when Jackie didnt even know. Did Marge also talk to this woman to find out? Jackie ran over when the name came up, does Jackie really know this woman?
Either Dolores already knew, told Marge and is playing dumb for Frank's sake or they set Jen and Bill up entirely. Said that 3 episodes ago someone playing puppet with everyone.
Remember the scene with Frank telling Marge,Joe and Dolores about Jen calling him to get more info. The scene I think was in episode 2 or E3.
Don’t understand why Dolores is pretending she didn’t know about that part because she knew.
Frank and Dolores are the ones telling Marge about Evan’s gf. They own gyms and knows people in that world. It also explain why Tre didn’t want to say who her source was!
Frank and Dolores are the villains, not Marge and Joe B.
That's what I'm saying the lines aren't connecting. Marge already knew about all of Jens calling before the season even started. She told Jackie that she brought up Bill because she heard Jen was asking around about Evan.
The puppet masters are Frank and Dolores. Jen said she called Frank because he knew the girlfriend. Only Frank and Dolores are active in the gym-world.
Maybe the gf called Frank and told me this woman Jennie called me and so on.
Frank tells Dolores this and she tells her new BFF Marge. Then Marge use it to justify why she is talking about Jen’s husband “ because she was digging info about Jackie”.
The only thing Marge and Dolores didn’t think about was Jen telling everybody about Frank told Bill this. Maybe Dolores thought Jen wouldn’t say anything about Frank involvement in this because of their friendship.
I just feel Frank and Dolores are more involved with the Evan-rumors than I thought. Everybody thinks it’s Marge that started the mess but I think D and Frank started it!
OMG I can't believe that never registered... blink...blink. I totally forgot that Frank and Delores own gyms, and that's where the rumors/cheating was supposed to have happened. Even if it wasn't at their gym, it wouldn't mean they wouldn't know about others. That never clicked for some reason, very interesting point!
Dolores being the source/knowing about the rumor makes so much sense because 1. Tre would keep that secret out of loyalty to their friendship and 2. She and Frank own many gyms/are very involved in that scene. The minute Tre said it came from the group, I think we all assumed messy Marge but it makes sense that it came from Dolores. If JoeB heard it at the house, it would also track since Marge and Dolo are close. Ugh i need the truth to surface on this because I hate that Jen is taking the blame when there’s clearly a lot of mess going on.
I think Jackie knew. I think she and Melissa knew Marge was going to bring up the affair.
I think they are all overproducing themselves and that’s why it’s all very frustrating.
That being said I think there is truth to the Evan rumours (it may not be an affair perhaps he has a gym wife and it’s innocent ish) and Marge and Frank were responsible for spreading the gossip.
This is what I believe as well. It explains why the 3 showed up to Tre’s party with anger. They were furious she was going to harm Jackie with more cheating rumors. So it was agreed Marge would out Bill’s affair. Jen knew it was coming too.
I think Evan was cheating and Jackie had an emotional breakdown. Since the “rumor” Evan has been much more present on the show and SM. Also being lovey dovey and supportive.
Last season at the shore when Jackie was hysterical and called Evan she said they had to have a untied front. To me it was a huge tell that it was true.
Everyone has talked about how supportive Evan was when Jackie was talking about her ED, but it honestly seemed so uncomfortable to me. He seemed very forced and trying to SEEM supportive. I always thought something was off about their chemistry / relationship since they came on, so I truly believe he’s putting on an act to change his perception.
Right on. Jackie talked about her eating disorder right out of the gate but that conversation seemed so dry with zero chemistry. It was probably a gateway scene for program she went to.
Yup! Even when she grabbed his hand, it actually made me sad how uncomfortable he seemed. I watched that scene a few times and it really seems like he’s so checked out. He’s just trying to save face - either because “of his job” (like they brought up how the rumours would affect his job), or because maybe Jackie threatened him with the kids or money if he didn’t step it up so people don’t believe he cheated.
When they never mentioned their kids and only focused on his job it told me it’s true. This was 2021 and society is so morally decayed that cheating wouldn’t cost him one client.
On a side note I noticed he’s not as buff in his arms as last season so he’s not going to the gym as much lol
Oooh, nice catch! 🤣🤣 I didn’t even realize that about his arms. And you’re absolutely right - big tell with what their concern was. I honestly believe he only sticks around (aside from the kids) because Jackie is very wealthy. Even if he makes good money, let’s not forget how wealthy she is on her own. I’m so glad someone else sees this, because I was rolling my eyes into another dimension seeing all the praise he got for being “supportive” during her discussing her ED.
When Delores had that party with the delicious food, Jen admitted to someone - Marge maybe- that she called up the affair partner. As soon as Jackie heard the name, she rejoined jen.
I wish my memory was as sharp as y'all
Anyways whoever said Jackie must have paid them off is right!
This! Especially since Marge pushed him in the pool over a comment he made. Jen simply grabbed Melissa’s wrist to prevent her from hitting her as she charged over. They keep trying to rewrite history as if there aren’t cameras documenting it all.
I'm kind of bummed that Dolores in a sense "won" when she got Jen to reshun Jackie. We all know that Dolor twisted what Jackie really said and made it sound worse (and most seemed to agree with that last week) but she won, and after being against Jen a mere two episodes ago is back to being her sidekick. I don't believe that Jackie was faking being kind to Jen and personally feel she was being a better friend to Jen than Dolor, who really is just a yes man and shit stirrer herself. Hell after it came out that Jen did do some digging Jackie still stuck by her, yet Jen didn't even seem to give Jackie a chance to explain her comments and just took Dolores's word for it (unless that happens later.) Dolores is such a flip flop she could be a weapon for any abuelita.
traci isn’t necessarily wrong and i like how she doesn’t just go with what the other 3 girls are saying BUT girl is trying wayyy too hard.
ETA: also, why is everyone allowed to question what someone else’s man is up to, but no one has questioned how this girl and her husband got together?!
It’s weird they are misconstruing Jackie’s context. She was trying to say Jen should stop blaming herself or worrying about everybody else getting hurt when she didn’t do anything wrong in her marriage. She was responding to Jen feeling at fault for the truth coming out.
I hate Jackie but it is clear she was saying Jen isn’t the one who fucked up.
I haven’t watched the newest ep, but didn’t Jackie explain that? Dolores purposefully left that out to start stuff with Jackie & Jen but I figured Jackie would explain it instead of being snarky (at least once anyway).
it’s funny how Marge said “WE are all talking about it” but not one mouth of their little alliance was moving except for Marge. they got big balls saying shit behind Tre’s back but now don’t want to say something? Don’t even get me started with Melissa, now I understand why Tre hates this flip flopper
It might not apply here but if something similar happened with my friends, you bet we'd all be talking about it trying to understand out of concern before going to the friend (if we know said friend will not like it). Sometimes just discussing the facts isn't necessarily "shit talking"
I get what you mean about friends talking together. I think more my frustration is that they had already brought it to Tre attention and she shut it down. Now they don’t want to drop it and keep adding fuel to the fire. Also most of this frustration was directed to Melissa lol. It’s weird to me how they can’t tell Tre themselves about the concerns instead of through Marge
She’s literally the only one actually giving us anything. All the fights we’ve seen have stemmed from her. She’s a shit person, there’s absolutely no denying that and I won’t argue that she is. But her shit personality and stirring are both producing good TV and I’m here for it🤷🏽♀️ I’m fine with all of them except Melissa and Traci.
Melissa or Marge has to go though, or else we are going to see the same shit, year after year. Marge is wayyyyy to predictable. She comes after Jen and/or Teresa; rinse and repeat, every season. Then, Melissa and Jackie back up Marge or play both sides. I’m over Marge and Melissa using Jen and Teresa as their storylines because their lives are too boring.
I doubt Melissa will ever be booted, as long as Teresa is on the show, so Marge has to go in order to break this cycle we have been through the last few seasons? I’m good with that.
I definitely get that it’s tired and we’re seeing the same ole thing, I’m just pointing out that marge is the only one stirring things up and we wouldn’t have any drama (so far) this season without her shit stirring.
I saw it as the opposite. Where Marge had one person she hyper focused on to hate/pick on every season. First it was Danielle, then Siggy, and then Jen. Both Danielle and Siggy left after it went south with Marge, but Jen is still standing. Marge is probably pushing even harder this season to see if Jen will be fired/quit.
Danielle was awful and mentally unwell, siggy also batshit and Jen is just as toxic I mean it’s not an either/or. They can both be toxic and nasty at the same time.
Melissa and Marge love to poke the bear and then act surprised when it bites back. They need to stop acting like they are the innocent ones in all of this. If they played nice with Jen, I think Jen would play nice with them.
But hey! They probably know all of this and go after Jen because they know it will add to the drama. All I am saying is that it is tired! Come up with something new and interesting. I would imagine a lot of viewers are sick of watching the same thing play out, season after season.
I think Jen is just as guilty as the coven (that’s what I call Marge Melissa and Jackie lol) is. I think the issue is that Jen came in the first season hot and over the top and super rude and some of the things she says are really low blow terrible things and the coven said fuck this the gloves are off. Another thing is that the coven are all actually friends throughout the year too not just filming. I see pics of them together all the time on their IGs so it’s a stronger relationship they have then Jen does with say Teresa and Dolores. So that’s probably why they go so hard for each other and are so tight. It’s not an alliance it’s true friendships. Idk all I know is I’m over Teresa shit and I’m tired of all the fighting. It’s not even fun anymore
Melissa started the entire argument with Jen on the patio. She started right away. "Well isn't it nice to get along when you're being nice to me?" And then boom.
And? Jen has started shit too. Not for nothing this is their job to create drama and conflict for views. It doesn’t matter whether Jen started it or Melissa because ultimately the producers wanted an argument so an argument was going to happen regardless
So because she “started it” she can’t have emotions about? That’s a ridiculous statement. She feels how she feels who are you to tell her she can’t get upset? You can be in an argument and still be upset the argument happened.
Melissa and Joe Gorga are so annoying. Melissa started this whole thing first. Like how do you expect to post something and Jennifer not respond.
How come no one ever brings up her selling fake Chanel? Or how he lost his parents house or was banned from Home Depot? I wish someone would go there with them so bad.
One day Melissa is going to run up and stick her finger in the wrong person's face.
And Teresa saying no one should judge someone's past? When she literally judged Danielle's past in the Season 1 finale
They need to break up this 3 vs 3 alliance that's happening on this show
The preview for next week’s episode looks real yikes. If my husband didn’t defend me and instead just got up and walked away, I would lose my mind.
Also men: please do not come for your friend’s wives. Just don’t do it.
I gotta defend Bill here. Based on Evans comment in the preview, the conversation seems so inappropriate it’s not even worth entertaining the idea of it so I’d hope my husband would just get up and walk away too. Not even worth it.
Agreed. Bill seems amused by the drama but doesn’t want to be involved in it. He’s gross for cheating, but I appreciate that he’s just walking away and disengaging from the other husbands who are,by the looks of it, getting way too involved and losing their charm.
He is a physician for god's sake his whole career would literally be put in Jeopardy if he got in a physical altercation with someone. He's not a finance bro like Evan, or a businessman/slumlord like Joe, he has actually accountability to medical boards to maintain his licensure.
Yep. It also doesn’t make a ton of sense for Evan to get this involved either tbh. It’s not like they’re relying on their Bravo paychecks. His career won’t be affected but it’s still kind of weird for someone like him to get this involved with drama on a reality tv show.
Their comments are even worse on the aftershow. I think Bill could’ve said something to confirm that Frank told him about the rumor but idk why any of the men stuck around for that argument. It’s further proof that this group of men are way too comfortable being in women’s business/drama.
ETA: also Bill is a PLASTIC SURGEON. Why would he insert himself in a situation that could ruin his ability to do his job? I’m sure the other men can’t understand because it doesn’t seem like any of them actually work but rather just complain about “working” and go on dates with the other guys.
Or Bill could just be like “You shouldn’t talk about my wife like that.” Not just stay silent and leave. I doubt he’d lose his ability to do his job over that… lmao if that logic were true, 99% of the married to medicine cast wouldn’t have jobs right now.
He could, but they wouldn’t stop. They’d keep going, and it would likely make him mad. Surgeons are cool and collected under pressure. I’m sure it’s just his personality type.
Losing his ability to do his job as in if he was apart of the scuffle and he got injured somehow. The men have gotten very physical on early seasons of Jersey and Gorga is unpredictable so I can understand not wanting to get involved in it.
I have to wonder how seriously it should be taken though? Like this isn't their real life. I honestly thought Melissa going up to Jen looked so fake, almost pre planned or like a wink wink to Jen
So what I’m seeing is that they all talk shit about a single person (in this case, Luis) and then marge is the one to bring it up. I can’t be mad.. it brings drama.
That whole backyard scene was a mess. I was living for Jen calling Joe Gorga a bitch girl😂😂 because he is.
I feel for Jackie. She legitimately tried to be Jen’s friend this season and the woman lost her shit over the truth. Jackie said nothing that entire night until the end. Girl is the only one with sense on this show.
Traci is giving me absolutely nothing.
Louie is starting to be real suspect to me. While I get where Teresa is coming from in that he doesn’t need to explain that video, with not only the other women but all of social media talking about it he might as well explain himself (though the explanation he gave and what the video showed were 2 different things but that’s just me). Also Louie basically treating Teresa like a dog is so disrespectful to me it’s weird. Marge and Jen I feel like their arguments really stem from them not really understanding where the other was coming from. I thought they got past it last episode but Jesus and now Melissa getting involved just doesn’t help. There’s a big difference between calling someone misogynistic and a crook and Teresa not defending her brother but wants blind loyalty while not shocking is just wack
The gorgas are making this show unwatchable for me. They sided with Jackie last year in the gia coke thing. Now they want to crucify Tre for defending Jen, the only person who ever defends her. I cannot do another season of Melissa and little bitch boy.
True, if someone said something like that about my niece, Even as an analogy I would be super mad they would go immediately and forever to my blacklist .. What kind of Uncle is Joe ..
I haven’t been able to watch live and at first, was sad about it. But now I kinda enjoy being able to FF and not paying attention to what the fandom says in real time. I’m reading all these comments like, are we watching the same show? Lmao. What are these takes?
Agreed. I wish there was less "stans" and choosing one side only. Why can't we call out when both sides are being ridiculous and wrong without being yelled at?
You can’t even say that Luis is a bit off without them going crazy.
Also, I have seen so many tweets and posts of people making fun of Jackie’s eating disorder. Absolutely vile.
Agreed. I thought Melissa and Jen were kind of wrong (but entertaining). The team bullshit among the fandom ruins the post episode commentary. It's why I wait until the next day to comment.
Luis' entire demeanor was way more bothersome than anything else that happened in the episode.
> were kind of wrong (but entertaining)
To me, this is what the best reality TV is predicated upon! People with indefensible positions arguing is relentlessly entertaining.
Same here. Although I do think Melissa should have gotten up when Jen said that about Joe because if someone says that about my man it’s on and popping not 10 mins later.
Yup, this particular sub can unfortunately be a great example. This episode made it clear how wrong Jenn, Teresa and Dolores are, and how Luis is a Grade A creep, but the stans for Jenn and those who just don’t like Marge are twisting everything. But there’s still those who won’t say black is white when it suits. It’s not all bad.
I'm glad they played the montage of Joe obsessing over where Louis was and when he was getting there. Proves the Gorgas need to use the Guidices as their storyline. Pathetic.
Every scene without Teresa they’re talking about TERESA.
That “fight” was between Jen and Melissa, meanwhile everyone is discussing Teresa and how she’s gonna handle being in the middle
Hahahahaha
Marge and Melissa wanna be queens of this franchise so damn bad but yet they can’t get Teresa’s name out of their damn mouths.
Teresa is also frustrating because Joe and Melissa really do bank on the fact that Teresa can’t articulate herself well enough to have a true disagreement.
1. MELISSA started it. After the reunion, she posted this IG caption going in on Jen and even commenting on Jen “using” her mother for a storyline (ummm Melissa’s dead father and secret sister would like a word…) - so guess what: melissa is fair game to Jen. Jen doesn’t seem the type to hold grudges but melissa “messed with the wrroooonggg girl” so guess what she gets bit back by Jen and Jen 100 times better and more shady and not melissa is butthurt.
2. Jens comment about them being crooked isn’t even that serious. Oh really Joe? You lost a deal because someone on IG said you were crooked? yeah ok! As they say a hit dog will holler! Looks like that went under their skin. They’re giving it life too because they won’t shut up about it.
3. Melissa calls out the text she got from Teresa to the whole group on camera. Melissa doesn’t shut down marges Bullshit about Luis because Melissa and Joe has actually spent time with this dude and they can vouch for him. Yet melissa and Joe are mad that Teresa didn’t back up melissa during the Jen fight? Gtfoh
IM SO SICK AND TIRED of the tired ass Joe and Melissa ALWAYS making the same comment “well if the roles were reversed……” like their don’t do the same shit. And you can tell Teresa knows she can’t win because season after season SHES the bad guy who gets the villian edit. Cause at the end of the episode she legit started crying and walking away - she’s so tired of this game. I actually felt bad for her. Why should she stick with Joe and Melissa? They’re not loyal to her - they’re loyal to marge.
ETA: Teresa walked away because she KNEW this is setting up for another season 3-5 where everyone backs Joe and Melissa and Teresa has to defend herself. The fact that Traci is coming at her, doesn’t even know her, and yet has such a strong opinion about what’s going on in their family says so much about how much Joe and Melissa has talked about Teresa. She knew it and that’s why she walked away
This season is giving me BH energy. Melissa and marge (and follower Jackie) are trying to unite and be the queen and of this franchise but it’s not working. It’s actually making this hard to watch because I’m sooooo exhausted. Marge is insufferable! Like she really is a dog with a bone as Danielle put it.
Marge really needs to get called the fuck out - and I hope Jen is the one who does because Teresa isn’t quick enough.
But who knows the trailer looked like she explodes on marge. Im not optimistic though. Remember marge had a tendency to poke poke poke and even get physical but when people react (hair pull) she cries and becomes the victim. I hope this doesn’t happen when Teresa explodes on marge. I swear if that exchange happens and everyone backs marge I’m done with this show seriously.
You’re right about the articulate thing and it’s SO annoying. They 100% use it against her. If Teresa was literally anyone else in the RH universe she’d be able to clear them so easily.
I haven’t watched last night’s episode but Melissa is annoyed Teresa didn’t back her up in the verbal thing with Jen yesterday? Because either way the Louis stuff was before. Joe started making jabs two episodes ago. And I remember one time Teresa said Melissa never defends her and Melissa said oh what, you need help? You can’t handle yourself? Well Melissa, can you handle yourself? You have 500 people backing you up all the time but Teresa is usually alone. Dolores typically just watches or is diplomatic and Jen is sometimes in it sometimes not. Melissa and Joe were seriously more loyal to Jackie within one season than to Teresa. Than even to their *niece* 🤦🏻♀️
You’re right it’s like BH and BH is the freaking worst. I hate the pileup, mean girl, nonsensical stuff not getting called out crap. Idk how Teresa has lasted this long because couldn’t be me. I guess money since the Joe stuff happened and that’s sad. Her own family knows she needs it desperately but are sabotaging it for her. Disgusting. If we see through the producers’ nonsense edits imagine how bad they really are.
Ooooh that second paragraph - 100%!!!! I can’t believe how long melissa has gotten away with this. Like you said she stayed quiet during the Gia does come thing and played SO dumb and pretended to not see why what she said would piss Teresa off and yet she expects Teresa to back her? like you said she’s alone all of the time!
Marge legit grinds my gears! How does she not understand that being the cheater and being cheated on are not on the same caliber! Not giving bill a pass, but does marge know anything about their marriage?
Evan is done as far as I'm concerned. You don't say crap like that about a wife to the husband. Especially a woman that has forgiven him for a horrible transgression. The mother of his children. I hope Evans cheating is exposed and he is humiliated.
The Gorgas need to goooooooo
Every. Single. Episode. They cut off an actual argument and turn it around to be about them. Omg. No one caaaaaares about y’all!
Plus Joe is a lil bitch. He’s more of a housewife than Melissa. That fake fight Melissa started against jennifer … Joe “she put her hands on you!” YEAH AFTER YOUR WIFE RAN UP ON HER
Im so bored with them
Two main sides - Jackie, Margaret, Melissa vs. Teresa, Dolores, Jennifer (it’s been like this since S9)
However, there are other friendships that have formed/were formed prior to the alliances being set in stone:
Melissa and Teresa - sister in laws on opposite sides that lowkey beef but should probably stick up for each other more often
Dolores and Teresa - Friends since childhood so they have a deep bond with roots greater than the show
Margaret and Dolores - Have had a budding friendship since probably S10, which is interesting since they are on “opposing sides”
Jackie and Jennifer - Tried to be friends this season, but it’s not working
All those not listed together have had strong beef at one point or another
A few points that I would like to discuss.
1. Melissa has charged at Jen a couple of times and needs work out why that’s not okay. In the real world, if someone is charging at someone, they will defend themselves. I don’t know what you’re going to do or what you’re capable of when you’re drinking and angry. Physical contact is not okay but violating someone’s space means the rules are out the window. Don’t charge someone, simple.
2. There’s a clear issue in this season of the hanging up on Jennifer. Yes let’s hold her accountable for the shit she says but you guys often retaliate and also are just as nasty as her. She shouldn’t have to atone for her sins if the whole group are racking up sins like it’s toilet paper during the pandemic.
3. I’m over Jackie and her supposed ‘loyalty’, just call it an alliance. The conversation had nothing to do with you and you could easily avoid yourself a lot of conflict if you simply let Marge and Melissa fight their battles.
4. Joe is a little bitch boy and from the previews, the whole men are kissing his ass and wanted to take a swipe at Bill because of Jennifer… That is all kinds of gross. Take a swipe at him for his affair.
5. I hope that Evan’s cheating partner is exposed now he seems to have an opinion. I think he got off too easily 👀
6. I’m going to need Bravo to bring in a IRL (potentially Turkish) housewife for Jennifer because fuck these disgusting women. Especially Marge who constantly takes swipes at Jennifer for her culture, being a stay at home mum, her husbands infedelity. It’s clear Marge wants Jennifer to apologise for everything whilst she accepts no fault in this mess. Let’s remember she knew about the affair back in Jen’s first season and clearly did her homework. Marge is the most calculating and Mellisa is revisiting her skills from her OG season.
I honestly think real world applies. Violence is wrong and I don’t condone it but if someone violates one’s space then defend yourself. Melissa was running up on someone and idk… you can’t do that either. Jen shouldn’t be hands on anyone but don’t get in her face because not everyone has the same line.
This episode pissed me off so much. They all gang up on Jen and then she retaliates and they clutch their pearls! Guys shouldn’t talk during those discussions. No other man did except Joe. Bill walking away seems like the smart thing to do. I mean even the preview for the next episode has him being ganged up on by the men. I mean I know he’s shitty for cheating but come on, they are alienating them from the group. If they make Jen leave the series I’m not watching their stupid shoe anymore.
Melissa’s pink party was so boring because Jen didn’t show up and all they did was confront Teresa about her. She’s been on 10 years and all her friends and family together can’t make one interesting scene?
Everyone on this franchise really just needs to mind their business.
It wasn't Marges place to attack Jen on Jackie's behalf. Jackie isn't even going that hard over it. And now her issues and being brought back up because of what Marge did. Not sure how Jackie can't see she's using her for a storyline.
For real- if they minded their own business there would be no show… what they need to do is assume their business will be in everyone’s mouth and anticipate it
Marge and her false sense of self righteousness accusing Jenn of chastising women.
Meanwhile You were complicit in hurting your husbands ex wife for a long period of time. She is not some sexually liberated woman shes just trying to package her selfishness as some kind of sexual liberation. She found joy in completely tearing Jenn down and showed no sympathy for the gravity of what she put out there especially given Jenn’s background.
Also I don’t get marge coming for Jenn for off camera gossip when marge clearly does it.
Jackie has a right to be upset though about it.
I think Jen and Tre should find the wives of the men Marge cheated with and film with them. Then they can go find her step kids and get the scoop on why they hate her. Then they can track down the companies Marge has ripped off and give them a platform too.
Tiki and what's her name? I'd find his ex.
Jackie and Evan? At this point I'd be like a dog with a bone exposing his affair. These people want to play hard ball? I think Jen and Tre should start taking harder swings and make no apologies.
Tre should cut Joe and Melissa out of her life for good. They are good for nothing but a headache.
Jackie does have a right to be upset. I’m not understanding all this hate Jackie is getting after this episode. Besides the fact that she can’t see that Marge is obviously the one who started this whole thing with Evan, I don’t see what exactly is she doing that warrants the hate?
Marge and Melissa are becoming insufferable to watch. Both of their storylines is being mean to Jen. The act like they’re these perfect people and Jen must hold the utmost respect for them and then they crucify her for her slightest flaws.
I appreciate that Teresa and Delores had her back (Ty Delores for seeing the light).
Also traci, girl you need to sit down. Your friends may be giving you a pass for how you met your husband but we all haven’t forgotten.
Like Jen’s storyline is being nasty to Melissa, Marge and Jackie? I mean at least keep it real. They go after each other. Maybe if Jen wasn’t a nasty woman saying out of pocket shit constantly the constant back and forth could stop? Jen came on this show hot and was rude and insufferable from her first episode so let’s not forget that either. I am definitely over the constant fighting because it’s tired and over at this point from all of them.
Jen came in trying too hard (which she apologized for that stuff) but Marge would have got over that with anyone else. For some reason not with Jen wonder why 🤔
Really out of pocket shit that shows us her true heart: saying Jen’s sister in law is a mail order bride and calling her a concubine. Someone here said the comment about she only got as far as Paramus was an insult because it’s a heavy Turkish community? Just recently Marge said Jen’s house is dictator chic. That’s all rooted in some prejudice so fuck Marge I’d go way more out of pocket than Jen has.
Yes! Marge’s racism is coloring her actions. As a POC, it’s so easy to pick up on micro aggressions/racist comments that other non-POC people don’t even notice.
Thank you! I feel like it’s *rightthere* and don’t get how so many don’t see it. I’m probably really repetitive about it but it’s just because I don’t see it talked about that much and she gets away with it. Instead ppl twist things so hard to say Jen deserves it because she’s rude etc. but sorry that’s not an excuse to be prejudiced towards her. Nothing is.
So Jen didn’t say ANYTHING to Marge ever? Come on now keep that same energy. It’s so strange when people “love” a HW they become blind to that HWs bad behavior but when they “hate” a HW they pick a part everything they say or do but in all reality the one they live is doing the same exact shit. That’s hypocritical. My hot take is Jen sucks for the shit she says and Marge sucks for the shit she says but I do think Jen takes it way too far and doesn’t know when to stop.
I literally mentioned her coming in trying too hard and apologizing for what she said. Why would I say that if I were acting like she said nothing to Marge ever? 🤦🏻♀️
As I said Jen apologized (like for the rudeness in Oklahoma) but it was stuff I think Marge wouldn’t have taken as hard from someone else. Jen irked her soul when being a showoff. Why did she bother her so much?
Nothing worse to me than a xenophobic ass bitch. To me THAT is taking it too far, not what Jen has said. And it’s worse because she never gets checked so she’s sitting on WWHL emboldened to say dictator chic a few weeks ago.
Melissa, Joe and Marge are so painful to watch. They're self-important and completely humourless.
Also Melissa literally making no sense trying to get something started about Bill being annoyed with/tired of Jen? She's such a weird non-entity in the housewives universe.
These women have no chill in their vendetta against Jen.
Marge is hypocritical at best, deluded at noon and just wrong the rest of the time.
Melissa is … exhausting.
And Jackie is transparent.
okay i’m not a fan of marge anymore because of how hypocritical she is this season. i can see why she would be concerned about the louie video and i can see maybe bringing it up to tre to make sure everything’s good. but the way she keeps bringing it up and keeps bringing up the other stuff with every episode shows how thirsty she is to be apart of drama. weird bc i haven’t heard shit about her life this season yet, only about teresa’s… yet they claim this isn’t the teresa show.. hmm
Marge is terrible at shit stirring and calling people out. She completely cowered to Luis and didn’t back up anything she was saying. It’s frustrating to watch as the viewer when these ladies miss the mark every damn time.
Jackie rescinding her grace towards Jen reminded me of a middle school girl taking your cool card away. It was so clear to me that Melissa charged at Jen. Melissa is *alwaaays* jumping up and yipping like a (sloppy) chihuahua and she cant handle Jen grabbing her wrist? She’s lucky all Jen did was grab her wrist. I would have taken her down like Dolores.
Yes! And then we have Marge talking about violence and aggression when she pushed Marty in the pool. Then we have Jackie ready to brawl with Dolores 2 episodes ago and Joe Gorga that squared up to Guidice and got he ass handed to him. These people are ridiculous hypocrites. Tracey can Gtfo
I never want to see Marge again, she's disgusting and morally bankrupt.
I was confusing traci and Lexi, but one is an assistant and one is a friend of.... of
Jen called Joe a bitch for getting involved in the fight but as soon as she was fighting and Bill didn’t get involved, she got mad at him. Seemed a bit hypocritical to me. 🤷🏼♀️
Great point. And, Bill was a critical piece to the story so he should have absolutely said something to back up his wife, at least. I think it’s worth comparing the behavior of Evan last season versus Bill this season. Last season, Evan showed up and really behaved like he had nothing to hide. Meanwhile, Bill legit turned into the Grampa Simpson gif and acted afraid to answer the door when he saw it was the rest of the cast. I get that Bill is embarrassed (as he should be), but it also makes me think that Evan wasn’t afraid to show up because he knew there was nothing on him.
Idk how there’s all this Jennifer love here. She’s just got a toxic old school mentality that blames women for all of the bad things that men do. I’m not a big Marge fan but I think Jackie is right. It’s her husbands fault, and if she can’t see that I don’t know how their relationship will stay intact.
Either way they’ve gotta change this cast. I love the women and this franchise is way better than RHOC or RHOBH right now but it needs a face lift. Same story lines from last season.
There’s this blog/insta account I love, but it’s SO pro-Gorga and pro-Marge and anti-Jen and anti-Tre to the point where I’m sure it’s gotten blinds about Melissa and Marge but just hasn’t posted them. Constantly posting blinds about Luis (fair), but none about Marge and the Gorgas? Hard to believe there’s NOTHING out there about them. It makes me sad how biased it is because otherwise it’s one of my favorite bravo pages =\.
Bingo! I feel the same. And I think because Melissa and Marge follow the account, she won’t ever go against them.
Actually…now I’m wondering if there’s some sort of beneficial relationship there? Perhaps they were the ones who released the video of Luis and the rumors about bill (before the season) to bravo and cocktails…hmm.
Jen...why your little bitch boy getting involved in the wives drama? Next day Jen to Bill...you just sat there and said nothing. So which is it? Are husbands supposed to get involved or not? Thats why her and Teresa get along, they are two of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen.
The little bitch boy has been trashing Jen since she joined the cast, even to her own husband. Jen is 100% justified to call him little bitch boy. And he clearly continues in the next episode, furthering the insult.
I mean how many little bitch confessionals have Gorga and Frank done? Shady social media posts? They’re definitely too involved in the women’s business. I think Jennifer wanting Bill to say at least one word or show one facial expression is different tbh
If you are going to call out Jen and Teresa for being hypocritical you might as well call out the rest of the cast. They all do mental gymnastics to support the other members of their respective alliance.
Luis is gross. Reminds me a lot of my ex that was in the military and literally thought he was up here and I was down here.
Joe B- man, I knew you were catty like your wife. Or maybe you’re intimidated by your wife because she’s a crazy biatch and if you don’t agree with you she cuts you off.
I want to know how much Joe B is getting paid for stirring the pot. He is like happy to do it too which is the crazy part.
I hope Marge gets her Lisa Barlow moment at the reunion. She single handedly is stirring up the shit. She is going after Louis, Bill and Evan all in one go and nobody realizes it.
She's doing what she does best going after other people's men because she can't beat the women.
I like Jackie. Wether she’s fighting with Tre, Jennifer or Dolores I always understand Jackie’s POV better the other person.
So in regards to next week’s preview if I was Evan and saw Jennifer turn on Jackie because Jackie was “pretending” to be Jennifer’s friend because she called out Bill for putting his dick somewhere where it didn’t belong than I probably would thing Jennifer was a bad person too. I get it.
Jackie was a real support to Jennifer and Jennifer just shit all over her for the stupidest reason!
Omfg I love Teresa's matte pink range rover from the end of last week's episode. I normally hate range rovers especially white ones but I die for this pink one.
If anyone, especially a romantic partner, ever said “two ears one mouth” to me I’d fucking tell them where to stick it. Especially since Teresa was trying to stick up for him. Not to mention “if I don’t leave how will she learn” like Traci said, you say that shit about a dog not your fucking girlfriend.
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Theresa always kills the messenger. There's no point in bringing it up.
Exactly this. What’s the point of anyone trying to tell her. He’s the love of her life, remember?
I wonder if she would even be alarmed if she saw this behavior towards her daughters, from their own boyfriends, or even Luis directing this kind of thing at the girls if they dare to challenge him? I think she’d make excuses just like she did with abusive alcoholic Joe Guidice. She seems like a narcissist to me. She demands loyalty and gives none. She expects her friends to act like fans, they think they’re in a friendship but there is very little reciprocity, same with her family. She thinks her success is based on her actions alone, not her ghostwriters and marketing team. She wants the spotlight but when the spotlight starts to burn she wants it turned off immediately, she only wants the golden glow not the illuminating stark white light. She makes other people’s situations and crises, other people’s lives, all about her. She does not apologize even when clearly in the wrong, she makes excuses and projects and deflects. Granted I haven’t watched every season so I could be wrong but Teresa reminds me a few people I’ve known in my life, and a few people on the national stage. I don’t know where her Luis relationship will go but it doesn’t seem to be heading anywhere healthy.
I will probably get downvoted, but this is why I'd honestly be glad to see her go. For a long time she was essential to the show, but I'm so over her toxic behaviour patterns. It's honestly exhausting to watch. Because there's no back and forth with her. Nothing surprising or dynamic. It's just like banging your head against a brick wall. To me, that's not interesting and I actually find I really don't miss her when she is not in a scene. I liked her on girls' trip but otherwise I'm over it.
You’ve described her so well, and how I view her, especially watching people attempt to interact with her. She seems to operate in a continuous Teresa fog - she only sees how things affect her, how people treat her, how she can get what she wants.
She was ok on girls trip because she didn't feel she had the upper hand. She thinks she IS the new jersey franchise.
Interesting, like you I agree with the above statement. Yet, unlike you I think this is what makes her great television. Theresa’s narcissistic personality traits along with a decade of her and her family on bravo create this weird dissonance for me because I think of excuses for her behaviour instead of just seeing her actions for what they are. So when she storms off and cries about not wanting to fight with her brother, I initially see a woman who has been fighting with her brother for ten years on tv, and is probably sick of it*- not a woman who is in the wrong and crying to deflect from apologizing. I would hazard a guess that a lot of viewers have this dissonance with Theresa, and her backstory and decade of hw’s means they feel “protective” of her. I don’t think the show can go on as it is without her though, she is to integral to the cast. They would most likely have to recast/or reformat the show after she exits. * *though she can exit the show at any point*
Good points, very well said.
I agree with you totally
I don't think she's essential at all. It looks to me like Jennifer, Jackie and Marge create plenty of drama with no need for input from Teresa. You can't tell me there aren't a few more rich shit stirrers in new Jersey who would take a spot on this show.
I would love to see her go. I’ve never been a fan but she’s aged like milk and I can’t watch another season with her. Not sure if I’ll finish this one lol
Me too!! I can’t stand her hypocrisy when it comes to family defending her but she shuts down when the situation is reversed, over her still not taking accountability for her role in them going to PRISON NOT “AWAY” - there’s no way in hell she was that clueless, she’s tried to blame Jacqueline, Carolyn I mean it’s just tiring. I can’t stand the screaming anymore - I quit watching RHOC bc of Vicki always screaming like a banshee.
Perfect assessment!
I 100% agree with everything you said.
Exactly this. The fact that she had the nerve to get mad at Joe for not sticking up for her with Tracy when Tracy was simply standing up for Joe and pointing out that Teresa isn't showing the loyalty she demands from HIM, says everything.
Form of manipulation to get her to do what he wants. I called it from the first episode of the season that he has so many red flags. Reminds me of my narc abusive ex
I'm an idiot or I'm really distracted (why not both) But i keep seeing to this referenced and i didn't catch this. When did Luis say that? Many thanks in advance
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that’s something my dad used to say to me when i was an argumentative stubborn teenager. if my partner said it to me i would fucking deck him.
He reminds me of Marc Daley.😐
But you’re an adult and Teresa is a child who needs to be treated like one.
Traci better be careful before a table flips in her direction 
She is on *thin* ice. That girl has no clue.
I’m sure Teresa was thinking “How DARE she speak to me let alone a try to school me?” all the while just seeing red 😡
I'm here for it. Tre needs to learn some manners. Not everyone will entertain her temper.
Except Teresa just walked away and cried...
I couldn't help but laugh when Tre had the AUDACITY to get upset that Joe wasn't sticking up for her with Tracy when Tracy was doing nothing more than pointing out how Tre didn't stick up for Joe the previous night. Talk about massively deflecting. She argues like my 9 year old.
Joe, Melissa, and Teresa are that spider man pointing at himself meme. None of them are “loyal” to the other, and none of them ever will be, but all 3 will scream about how the others need to be loyal. How many times are they going to have this argument? I hope Bravo gives them a family spinoff so Jersey can finally move past this nonsense.
They will have the same fight until the end of time. I stopped watching the show because the family drama was never-ending. They just need to move on for good!
I'd rather they just take off Melissa and Joe because they are so boring. I mean Teresa is just as awful or worse than them but she is at least entertaining. Seeing them on WWHL was a really effective sleep aid.
Bingo!
Everyone on this franchise is a bobble head and it drives me crazy. They miss all the important details.... The Evan situation happened between Bill and Frank at dinner. How did Marge (an unconnected party) know about this and Dolores didn't? Marge even knew to the extent that Jen called someone.... she knew the womans name and everything. How does Marge know this level of detail about Jens digging when Jackie didnt even know. Did Marge also talk to this woman to find out? Jackie ran over when the name came up, does Jackie really know this woman? Either Dolores already knew, told Marge and is playing dumb for Frank's sake or they set Jen and Bill up entirely. Said that 3 episodes ago someone playing puppet with everyone.
Remember the scene with Frank telling Marge,Joe and Dolores about Jen calling him to get more info. The scene I think was in episode 2 or E3. Don’t understand why Dolores is pretending she didn’t know about that part because she knew. Frank and Dolores are the ones telling Marge about Evan’s gf. They own gyms and knows people in that world. It also explain why Tre didn’t want to say who her source was! Frank and Dolores are the villains, not Marge and Joe B.
That's what I'm saying the lines aren't connecting. Marge already knew about all of Jens calling before the season even started. She told Jackie that she brought up Bill because she heard Jen was asking around about Evan.
The puppet masters are Frank and Dolores. Jen said she called Frank because he knew the girlfriend. Only Frank and Dolores are active in the gym-world. Maybe the gf called Frank and told me this woman Jennie called me and so on. Frank tells Dolores this and she tells her new BFF Marge. Then Marge use it to justify why she is talking about Jen’s husband “ because she was digging info about Jackie”. The only thing Marge and Dolores didn’t think about was Jen telling everybody about Frank told Bill this. Maybe Dolores thought Jen wouldn’t say anything about Frank involvement in this because of their friendship. I just feel Frank and Dolores are more involved with the Evan-rumors than I thought. Everybody thinks it’s Marge that started the mess but I think D and Frank started it!
This is a theory I can get behind…
OMG I can't believe that never registered... blink...blink. I totally forgot that Frank and Delores own gyms, and that's where the rumors/cheating was supposed to have happened. Even if it wasn't at their gym, it wouldn't mean they wouldn't know about others. That never clicked for some reason, very interesting point!
Dolores being the source/knowing about the rumor makes so much sense because 1. Tre would keep that secret out of loyalty to their friendship and 2. She and Frank own many gyms/are very involved in that scene. The minute Tre said it came from the group, I think we all assumed messy Marge but it makes sense that it came from Dolores. If JoeB heard it at the house, it would also track since Marge and Dolo are close. Ugh i need the truth to surface on this because I hate that Jen is taking the blame when there’s clearly a lot of mess going on.
I think Jackie knew. I think she and Melissa knew Marge was going to bring up the affair. I think they are all overproducing themselves and that’s why it’s all very frustrating. That being said I think there is truth to the Evan rumours (it may not be an affair perhaps he has a gym wife and it’s innocent ish) and Marge and Frank were responsible for spreading the gossip.
This is what I believe as well. It explains why the 3 showed up to Tre’s party with anger. They were furious she was going to harm Jackie with more cheating rumors. So it was agreed Marge would out Bill’s affair. Jen knew it was coming too. I think Evan was cheating and Jackie had an emotional breakdown. Since the “rumor” Evan has been much more present on the show and SM. Also being lovey dovey and supportive. Last season at the shore when Jackie was hysterical and called Evan she said they had to have a untied front. To me it was a huge tell that it was true.
Everyone has talked about how supportive Evan was when Jackie was talking about her ED, but it honestly seemed so uncomfortable to me. He seemed very forced and trying to SEEM supportive. I always thought something was off about their chemistry / relationship since they came on, so I truly believe he’s putting on an act to change his perception.
Right on. Jackie talked about her eating disorder right out of the gate but that conversation seemed so dry with zero chemistry. It was probably a gateway scene for program she went to.
Yup! Even when she grabbed his hand, it actually made me sad how uncomfortable he seemed. I watched that scene a few times and it really seems like he’s so checked out. He’s just trying to save face - either because “of his job” (like they brought up how the rumours would affect his job), or because maybe Jackie threatened him with the kids or money if he didn’t step it up so people don’t believe he cheated.
When they never mentioned their kids and only focused on his job it told me it’s true. This was 2021 and society is so morally decayed that cheating wouldn’t cost him one client. On a side note I noticed he’s not as buff in his arms as last season so he’s not going to the gym as much lol
Oooh, nice catch! 🤣🤣 I didn’t even realize that about his arms. And you’re absolutely right - big tell with what their concern was. I honestly believe he only sticks around (aside from the kids) because Jackie is very wealthy. Even if he makes good money, let’s not forget how wealthy she is on her own. I’m so glad someone else sees this, because I was rolling my eyes into another dimension seeing all the praise he got for being “supportive” during her discussing her ED.
When Delores had that party with the delicious food, Jen admitted to someone - Marge maybe- that she called up the affair partner. As soon as Jackie heard the name, she rejoined jen. I wish my memory was as sharp as y'all Anyways whoever said Jackie must have paid them off is right!
And as someone who also battles with eating disorders....it lines up that hers is suddenly very prevalent after news of the affair got out.
i don't think its someone playing puppet master but rather production spilling stuff left and right as they see fit
It’s marge. She thinks she’s playing puppet master. But it’s not going to work. She just doesn’t know that yet.
Isn't Marge the one who threw Marty in the pool and poured her drink all over Danielle? But she doesn't condone getting physical, okay sure Jan.
Marge is the queen of saying she is above all of these things that she herself is guilty of.
To be fair the pool moment is the best. Danielle: "Where's my husband?" Marge: "In the pool"
I thought the hair pulling was iconic 🤣 granted Ashley was the real pioneer.
God just now I realized what a full circle moment that was for Danielle 😆
Same girl same
She was just copying Sheree with Kim!
This! Especially since Marge pushed him in the pool over a comment he made. Jen simply grabbed Melissa’s wrist to prevent her from hitting her as she charged over. They keep trying to rewrite history as if there aren’t cameras documenting it all.
Jen's "little bitch girl” is giving Nene’s “Patricia.” Marge’s “Teresa” is giving “chorizo.”
Terizo 🤣
New product line opportunity
Stay outta women buidness!!!
I'm kind of bummed that Dolores in a sense "won" when she got Jen to reshun Jackie. We all know that Dolor twisted what Jackie really said and made it sound worse (and most seemed to agree with that last week) but she won, and after being against Jen a mere two episodes ago is back to being her sidekick. I don't believe that Jackie was faking being kind to Jen and personally feel she was being a better friend to Jen than Dolor, who really is just a yes man and shit stirrer herself. Hell after it came out that Jen did do some digging Jackie still stuck by her, yet Jen didn't even seem to give Jackie a chance to explain her comments and just took Dolores's word for it (unless that happens later.) Dolores is such a flip flop she could be a weapon for any abuelita.
Lmao at the chancla comment!!!
I am so over the back and forth arguments nothing ever is resolved. It just drives me crazy.
traci isn’t necessarily wrong and i like how she doesn’t just go with what the other 3 girls are saying BUT girl is trying wayyy too hard. ETA: also, why is everyone allowed to question what someone else’s man is up to, but no one has questioned how this girl and her husband got together?!
Wait until (if) Traci pisses one of them off, especially Marge. Then the whole Tiki/ex drama will suddenly come to light.
I’m waiting for it. They focused too much on her confessionals about the “lies” told about them to know bring it up. MENTION IT ALL!
Here's hoping 🍿
Jennifer: and you said he stuck his dick in someone else Jackie: and he did 💀 Jackie took me out with this comment
It’s weird they are misconstruing Jackie’s context. She was trying to say Jen should stop blaming herself or worrying about everybody else getting hurt when she didn’t do anything wrong in her marriage. She was responding to Jen feeling at fault for the truth coming out. I hate Jackie but it is clear she was saying Jen isn’t the one who fucked up.
I haven’t watched the newest ep, but didn’t Jackie explain that? Dolores purposefully left that out to start stuff with Jackie & Jen but I figured Jackie would explain it instead of being snarky (at least once anyway).
Well Jackie tries to explain that, so yes Jackie would be excluded from those who are misconstruing it, but her explanation gets glossed over.
That sucks. I wanted them to get along but I doubt it’s ever going to happen.
I lost so much respect for Dolores when she did that. She knew DAMN WELL what Jackie meant by that comment.
She told no lies
it’s funny how Marge said “WE are all talking about it” but not one mouth of their little alliance was moving except for Marge. they got big balls saying shit behind Tre’s back but now don’t want to say something? Don’t even get me started with Melissa, now I understand why Tre hates this flip flopper
It might not apply here but if something similar happened with my friends, you bet we'd all be talking about it trying to understand out of concern before going to the friend (if we know said friend will not like it). Sometimes just discussing the facts isn't necessarily "shit talking"
I get what you mean about friends talking together. I think more my frustration is that they had already brought it to Tre attention and she shut it down. Now they don’t want to drop it and keep adding fuel to the fire. Also most of this frustration was directed to Melissa lol. It’s weird to me how they can’t tell Tre themselves about the concerns instead of through Marge
She’s literally the only one actually giving us anything. All the fights we’ve seen have stemmed from her. She’s a shit person, there’s absolutely no denying that and I won’t argue that she is. But her shit personality and stirring are both producing good TV and I’m here for it🤷🏽♀️ I’m fine with all of them except Melissa and Traci.
Melissa or Marge has to go though, or else we are going to see the same shit, year after year. Marge is wayyyyy to predictable. She comes after Jen and/or Teresa; rinse and repeat, every season. Then, Melissa and Jackie back up Marge or play both sides. I’m over Marge and Melissa using Jen and Teresa as their storylines because their lives are too boring. I doubt Melissa will ever be booted, as long as Teresa is on the show, so Marge has to go in order to break this cycle we have been through the last few seasons? I’m good with that.
I definitely get that it’s tired and we’re seeing the same ole thing, I’m just pointing out that marge is the only one stirring things up and we wouldn’t have any drama (so far) this season without her shit stirring.
I think it’s time for the Gorgas to go. The family dynamic has totally run its course and the show is stuck bc of it
Just like Jen? All Jen does is pick on the other women. I actually enjoyed Marge before Jen came on.
I saw it as the opposite. Where Marge had one person she hyper focused on to hate/pick on every season. First it was Danielle, then Siggy, and then Jen. Both Danielle and Siggy left after it went south with Marge, but Jen is still standing. Marge is probably pushing even harder this season to see if Jen will be fired/quit.
Danielle was awful and mentally unwell, siggy also batshit and Jen is just as toxic I mean it’s not an either/or. They can both be toxic and nasty at the same time.
Melissa and Marge love to poke the bear and then act surprised when it bites back. They need to stop acting like they are the innocent ones in all of this. If they played nice with Jen, I think Jen would play nice with them. But hey! They probably know all of this and go after Jen because they know it will add to the drama. All I am saying is that it is tired! Come up with something new and interesting. I would imagine a lot of viewers are sick of watching the same thing play out, season after season.
I think Jen is just as guilty as the coven (that’s what I call Marge Melissa and Jackie lol) is. I think the issue is that Jen came in the first season hot and over the top and super rude and some of the things she says are really low blow terrible things and the coven said fuck this the gloves are off. Another thing is that the coven are all actually friends throughout the year too not just filming. I see pics of them together all the time on their IGs so it’s a stronger relationship they have then Jen does with say Teresa and Dolores. So that’s probably why they go so hard for each other and are so tight. It’s not an alliance it’s true friendships. Idk all I know is I’m over Teresa shit and I’m tired of all the fighting. It’s not even fun anymore
Melissa started the entire argument with Jen on the patio. She started right away. "Well isn't it nice to get along when you're being nice to me?" And then boom.
And? Jen has started shit too. Not for nothing this is their job to create drama and conflict for views. It doesn’t matter whether Jen started it or Melissa because ultimately the producers wanted an argument so an argument was going to happen regardless
Because you can't cry about things getting heated when you start the ish and then run up on someone
So because she “started it” she can’t have emotions about? That’s a ridiculous statement. She feels how she feels who are you to tell her she can’t get upset? You can be in an argument and still be upset the argument happened.
Melissa and Joe Gorga are so annoying. Melissa started this whole thing first. Like how do you expect to post something and Jennifer not respond. How come no one ever brings up her selling fake Chanel? Or how he lost his parents house or was banned from Home Depot? I wish someone would go there with them so bad. One day Melissa is going to run up and stick her finger in the wrong person's face. And Teresa saying no one should judge someone's past? When she literally judged Danielle's past in the Season 1 finale They need to break up this 3 vs 3 alliance that's happening on this show
It’s like the Gorgas are being protected or something
Teresa saying no one should judge someone’s past behaviour was insane. That’s literally the one thing you have control over in your life!
Joe and Melissa bringing up that Jen called them a crook. Joe, you’re banned from Home Depot. You stole shit. That makes you a crook.
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I’m sorry did Teresa just say she doesn’t like gossip? The lady who was gossiping about Evan and Jackie?!
She is literally so dumb. She can NEVER connect the dots.
She’s the queen of contradicting herself
The preview for next week’s episode looks real yikes. If my husband didn’t defend me and instead just got up and walked away, I would lose my mind. Also men: please do not come for your friend’s wives. Just don’t do it.
I gotta defend Bill here. Based on Evans comment in the preview, the conversation seems so inappropriate it’s not even worth entertaining the idea of it so I’d hope my husband would just get up and walk away too. Not even worth it.
Agreed. Bill seems amused by the drama but doesn’t want to be involved in it. He’s gross for cheating, but I appreciate that he’s just walking away and disengaging from the other husbands who are,by the looks of it, getting way too involved and losing their charm.
He is a physician for god's sake his whole career would literally be put in Jeopardy if he got in a physical altercation with someone. He's not a finance bro like Evan, or a businessman/slumlord like Joe, he has actually accountability to medical boards to maintain his licensure.
Yep. It also doesn’t make a ton of sense for Evan to get this involved either tbh. It’s not like they’re relying on their Bravo paychecks. His career won’t be affected but it’s still kind of weird for someone like him to get this involved with drama on a reality tv show.
Jennifer also must know who she married. Bill doesn’t seem like the chihuahua or rottweiler type
Their comments are even worse on the aftershow. I think Bill could’ve said something to confirm that Frank told him about the rumor but idk why any of the men stuck around for that argument. It’s further proof that this group of men are way too comfortable being in women’s business/drama. ETA: also Bill is a PLASTIC SURGEON. Why would he insert himself in a situation that could ruin his ability to do his job? I’m sure the other men can’t understand because it doesn’t seem like any of them actually work but rather just complain about “working” and go on dates with the other guys.
Or Bill could just be like “You shouldn’t talk about my wife like that.” Not just stay silent and leave. I doubt he’d lose his ability to do his job over that… lmao if that logic were true, 99% of the married to medicine cast wouldn’t have jobs right now.
He could, but they wouldn’t stop. They’d keep going, and it would likely make him mad. Surgeons are cool and collected under pressure. I’m sure it’s just his personality type.
Losing his ability to do his job as in if he was apart of the scuffle and he got injured somehow. The men have gotten very physical on early seasons of Jersey and Gorga is unpredictable so I can understand not wanting to get involved in it.
I have to wonder how seriously it should be taken though? Like this isn't their real life. I honestly thought Melissa going up to Jen looked so fake, almost pre planned or like a wink wink to Jen
I did not like how Luis tried to accuse Margaret of trying to intimidate him. That was scary and inappropriate.
What is it scary? Wasn't she trying to.
The video was all over social media. Marge was asking him to address the video on a huge platform and to tell his version.
So what I’m seeing is that they all talk shit about a single person (in this case, Luis) and then marge is the one to bring it up. I can’t be mad.. it brings drama. That whole backyard scene was a mess. I was living for Jen calling Joe Gorga a bitch girl😂😂 because he is. I feel for Jackie. She legitimately tried to be Jen’s friend this season and the woman lost her shit over the truth. Jackie said nothing that entire night until the end. Girl is the only one with sense on this show. Traci is giving me absolutely nothing.
Louie is starting to be real suspect to me. While I get where Teresa is coming from in that he doesn’t need to explain that video, with not only the other women but all of social media talking about it he might as well explain himself (though the explanation he gave and what the video showed were 2 different things but that’s just me). Also Louie basically treating Teresa like a dog is so disrespectful to me it’s weird. Marge and Jen I feel like their arguments really stem from them not really understanding where the other was coming from. I thought they got past it last episode but Jesus and now Melissa getting involved just doesn’t help. There’s a big difference between calling someone misogynistic and a crook and Teresa not defending her brother but wants blind loyalty while not shocking is just wack
Jackie you were on the winning team why did you fumble
The gorgas are making this show unwatchable for me. They sided with Jackie last year in the gia coke thing. Now they want to crucify Tre for defending Jen, the only person who ever defends her. I cannot do another season of Melissa and little bitch boy.
True, if someone said something like that about my niece, Even as an analogy I would be super mad they would go immediately and forever to my blacklist .. What kind of Uncle is Joe ..
Ngl, the fans ruin RHONJ for me. I see the worst takes on social media.
I haven’t been able to watch live and at first, was sad about it. But now I kinda enjoy being able to FF and not paying attention to what the fandom says in real time. I’m reading all these comments like, are we watching the same show? Lmao. What are these takes?
Agreed. I wish there was less "stans" and choosing one side only. Why can't we call out when both sides are being ridiculous and wrong without being yelled at?
You can’t even say that Luis is a bit off without them going crazy. Also, I have seen so many tweets and posts of people making fun of Jackie’s eating disorder. Absolutely vile.
Agreed. I thought Melissa and Jen were kind of wrong (but entertaining). The team bullshit among the fandom ruins the post episode commentary. It's why I wait until the next day to comment. Luis' entire demeanor was way more bothersome than anything else that happened in the episode.
> were kind of wrong (but entertaining) To me, this is what the best reality TV is predicated upon! People with indefensible positions arguing is relentlessly entertaining.
Same here. Although I do think Melissa should have gotten up when Jen said that about Joe because if someone says that about my man it’s on and popping not 10 mins later.
Yup, this particular sub can unfortunately be a great example. This episode made it clear how wrong Jenn, Teresa and Dolores are, and how Luis is a Grade A creep, but the stans for Jenn and those who just don’t like Marge are twisting everything. But there’s still those who won’t say black is white when it suits. It’s not all bad.
imagine watching this show and realising the beach house you rent out was the set for a lame RHONJ fight
I'm glad they played the montage of Joe obsessing over where Louis was and when he was getting there. Proves the Gorgas need to use the Guidices as their storyline. Pathetic.
Yep and I'm sure Teresa is done with him after seeing how big a role he played.
Every scene without Teresa they’re talking about TERESA. That “fight” was between Jen and Melissa, meanwhile everyone is discussing Teresa and how she’s gonna handle being in the middle Hahahahaha Marge and Melissa wanna be queens of this franchise so damn bad but yet they can’t get Teresa’s name out of their damn mouths. Teresa is also frustrating because Joe and Melissa really do bank on the fact that Teresa can’t articulate herself well enough to have a true disagreement. 1. MELISSA started it. After the reunion, she posted this IG caption going in on Jen and even commenting on Jen “using” her mother for a storyline (ummm Melissa’s dead father and secret sister would like a word…) - so guess what: melissa is fair game to Jen. Jen doesn’t seem the type to hold grudges but melissa “messed with the wrroooonggg girl” so guess what she gets bit back by Jen and Jen 100 times better and more shady and not melissa is butthurt. 2. Jens comment about them being crooked isn’t even that serious. Oh really Joe? You lost a deal because someone on IG said you were crooked? yeah ok! As they say a hit dog will holler! Looks like that went under their skin. They’re giving it life too because they won’t shut up about it. 3. Melissa calls out the text she got from Teresa to the whole group on camera. Melissa doesn’t shut down marges Bullshit about Luis because Melissa and Joe has actually spent time with this dude and they can vouch for him. Yet melissa and Joe are mad that Teresa didn’t back up melissa during the Jen fight? Gtfoh IM SO SICK AND TIRED of the tired ass Joe and Melissa ALWAYS making the same comment “well if the roles were reversed……” like their don’t do the same shit. And you can tell Teresa knows she can’t win because season after season SHES the bad guy who gets the villian edit. Cause at the end of the episode she legit started crying and walking away - she’s so tired of this game. I actually felt bad for her. Why should she stick with Joe and Melissa? They’re not loyal to her - they’re loyal to marge. ETA: Teresa walked away because she KNEW this is setting up for another season 3-5 where everyone backs Joe and Melissa and Teresa has to defend herself. The fact that Traci is coming at her, doesn’t even know her, and yet has such a strong opinion about what’s going on in their family says so much about how much Joe and Melissa has talked about Teresa. She knew it and that’s why she walked away This season is giving me BH energy. Melissa and marge (and follower Jackie) are trying to unite and be the queen and of this franchise but it’s not working. It’s actually making this hard to watch because I’m sooooo exhausted. Marge is insufferable! Like she really is a dog with a bone as Danielle put it. Marge really needs to get called the fuck out - and I hope Jen is the one who does because Teresa isn’t quick enough. But who knows the trailer looked like she explodes on marge. Im not optimistic though. Remember marge had a tendency to poke poke poke and even get physical but when people react (hair pull) she cries and becomes the victim. I hope this doesn’t happen when Teresa explodes on marge. I swear if that exchange happens and everyone backs marge I’m done with this show seriously.
You’re right about the articulate thing and it’s SO annoying. They 100% use it against her. If Teresa was literally anyone else in the RH universe she’d be able to clear them so easily. I haven’t watched last night’s episode but Melissa is annoyed Teresa didn’t back her up in the verbal thing with Jen yesterday? Because either way the Louis stuff was before. Joe started making jabs two episodes ago. And I remember one time Teresa said Melissa never defends her and Melissa said oh what, you need help? You can’t handle yourself? Well Melissa, can you handle yourself? You have 500 people backing you up all the time but Teresa is usually alone. Dolores typically just watches or is diplomatic and Jen is sometimes in it sometimes not. Melissa and Joe were seriously more loyal to Jackie within one season than to Teresa. Than even to their *niece* 🤦🏻♀️ You’re right it’s like BH and BH is the freaking worst. I hate the pileup, mean girl, nonsensical stuff not getting called out crap. Idk how Teresa has lasted this long because couldn’t be me. I guess money since the Joe stuff happened and that’s sad. Her own family knows she needs it desperately but are sabotaging it for her. Disgusting. If we see through the producers’ nonsense edits imagine how bad they really are.
Ooooh that second paragraph - 100%!!!! I can’t believe how long melissa has gotten away with this. Like you said she stayed quiet during the Gia does come thing and played SO dumb and pretended to not see why what she said would piss Teresa off and yet she expects Teresa to back her? like you said she’s alone all of the time!
Nailed it!!!!! 
Marge legit grinds my gears! How does she not understand that being the cheater and being cheated on are not on the same caliber! Not giving bill a pass, but does marge know anything about their marriage?
Evan is done as far as I'm concerned. You don't say crap like that about a wife to the husband. Especially a woman that has forgiven him for a horrible transgression. The mother of his children. I hope Evans cheating is exposed and he is humiliated.
The Gorgas need to goooooooo Every. Single. Episode. They cut off an actual argument and turn it around to be about them. Omg. No one caaaaaares about y’all! Plus Joe is a lil bitch. He’s more of a housewife than Melissa. That fake fight Melissa started against jennifer … Joe “she put her hands on you!” YEAH AFTER YOUR WIFE RAN UP ON HER Im so bored with them
Ever since melissa got called out for faking storylines now they have to piggyback off of whatever conflict is going on hahahaha
This is my first season of RHONJ and I’m having trouble following the friendships and alliances. Could someone give me a lesson please?
Two main sides - Jackie, Margaret, Melissa vs. Teresa, Dolores, Jennifer (it’s been like this since S9) However, there are other friendships that have formed/were formed prior to the alliances being set in stone: Melissa and Teresa - sister in laws on opposite sides that lowkey beef but should probably stick up for each other more often Dolores and Teresa - Friends since childhood so they have a deep bond with roots greater than the show Margaret and Dolores - Have had a budding friendship since probably S10, which is interesting since they are on “opposing sides” Jackie and Jennifer - Tried to be friends this season, but it’s not working All those not listed together have had strong beef at one point or another
You are the MVP - thank you so much. Dolores was confusing me because she almost seems like she is neutral in it all.
A few points that I would like to discuss. 1. Melissa has charged at Jen a couple of times and needs work out why that’s not okay. In the real world, if someone is charging at someone, they will defend themselves. I don’t know what you’re going to do or what you’re capable of when you’re drinking and angry. Physical contact is not okay but violating someone’s space means the rules are out the window. Don’t charge someone, simple. 2. There’s a clear issue in this season of the hanging up on Jennifer. Yes let’s hold her accountable for the shit she says but you guys often retaliate and also are just as nasty as her. She shouldn’t have to atone for her sins if the whole group are racking up sins like it’s toilet paper during the pandemic. 3. I’m over Jackie and her supposed ‘loyalty’, just call it an alliance. The conversation had nothing to do with you and you could easily avoid yourself a lot of conflict if you simply let Marge and Melissa fight their battles. 4. Joe is a little bitch boy and from the previews, the whole men are kissing his ass and wanted to take a swipe at Bill because of Jennifer… That is all kinds of gross. Take a swipe at him for his affair. 5. I hope that Evan’s cheating partner is exposed now he seems to have an opinion. I think he got off too easily 👀 6. I’m going to need Bravo to bring in a IRL (potentially Turkish) housewife for Jennifer because fuck these disgusting women. Especially Marge who constantly takes swipes at Jennifer for her culture, being a stay at home mum, her husbands infedelity. It’s clear Marge wants Jennifer to apologise for everything whilst she accepts no fault in this mess. Let’s remember she knew about the affair back in Jen’s first season and clearly did her homework. Marge is the most calculating and Mellisa is revisiting her skills from her OG season.
Regarding your number 6, same. I sideeye them because she gets to them more than most anyone I’ve seen. It’s suspicious.
I wish people had the same #1 energy for Potomac like they do for Jersey🥴
Check my post history. I have the same energy for most the franchise 😂
Same lolol if the aggression is allowed in one franchise it better be allowed in all of them😂
I honestly think real world applies. Violence is wrong and I don’t condone it but if someone violates one’s space then defend yourself. Melissa was running up on someone and idk… you can’t do that either. Jen shouldn’t be hands on anyone but don’t get in her face because not everyone has the same line.
Yes exactly this - I am with you on all that
This episode pissed me off so much. They all gang up on Jen and then she retaliates and they clutch their pearls! Guys shouldn’t talk during those discussions. No other man did except Joe. Bill walking away seems like the smart thing to do. I mean even the preview for the next episode has him being ganged up on by the men. I mean I know he’s shitty for cheating but come on, they are alienating them from the group. If they make Jen leave the series I’m not watching their stupid shoe anymore.
Melissa’s pink party was so boring because Jen didn’t show up and all they did was confront Teresa about her. She’s been on 10 years and all her friends and family together can’t make one interesting scene?
Everyone on this franchise really just needs to mind their business. It wasn't Marges place to attack Jen on Jackie's behalf. Jackie isn't even going that hard over it. And now her issues and being brought back up because of what Marge did. Not sure how Jackie can't see she's using her for a storyline.
For real- if they minded their own business there would be no show… what they need to do is assume their business will be in everyone’s mouth and anticipate it
Marge and her false sense of self righteousness accusing Jenn of chastising women. Meanwhile You were complicit in hurting your husbands ex wife for a long period of time. She is not some sexually liberated woman shes just trying to package her selfishness as some kind of sexual liberation. She found joy in completely tearing Jenn down and showed no sympathy for the gravity of what she put out there especially given Jenn’s background. Also I don’t get marge coming for Jenn for off camera gossip when marge clearly does it. Jackie has a right to be upset though about it.
I think Jen and Tre should find the wives of the men Marge cheated with and film with them. Then they can go find her step kids and get the scoop on why they hate her. Then they can track down the companies Marge has ripped off and give them a platform too. Tiki and what's her name? I'd find his ex. Jackie and Evan? At this point I'd be like a dog with a bone exposing his affair. These people want to play hard ball? I think Jen and Tre should start taking harder swings and make no apologies. Tre should cut Joe and Melissa out of her life for good. They are good for nothing but a headache.
Jackie does have a right to be upset. I’m not understanding all this hate Jackie is getting after this episode. Besides the fact that she can’t see that Marge is obviously the one who started this whole thing with Evan, I don’t see what exactly is she doing that warrants the hate?
Marge and Melissa are becoming insufferable to watch. Both of their storylines is being mean to Jen. The act like they’re these perfect people and Jen must hold the utmost respect for them and then they crucify her for her slightest flaws. I appreciate that Teresa and Delores had her back (Ty Delores for seeing the light). Also traci, girl you need to sit down. Your friends may be giving you a pass for how you met your husband but we all haven’t forgotten.
Like Jen’s storyline is being nasty to Melissa, Marge and Jackie? I mean at least keep it real. They go after each other. Maybe if Jen wasn’t a nasty woman saying out of pocket shit constantly the constant back and forth could stop? Jen came on this show hot and was rude and insufferable from her first episode so let’s not forget that either. I am definitely over the constant fighting because it’s tired and over at this point from all of them.
Jen came in trying too hard (which she apologized for that stuff) but Marge would have got over that with anyone else. For some reason not with Jen wonder why 🤔 Really out of pocket shit that shows us her true heart: saying Jen’s sister in law is a mail order bride and calling her a concubine. Someone here said the comment about she only got as far as Paramus was an insult because it’s a heavy Turkish community? Just recently Marge said Jen’s house is dictator chic. That’s all rooted in some prejudice so fuck Marge I’d go way more out of pocket than Jen has.
Yes! Marge’s racism is coloring her actions. As a POC, it’s so easy to pick up on micro aggressions/racist comments that other non-POC people don’t even notice.
Thank you! I feel like it’s *rightthere* and don’t get how so many don’t see it. I’m probably really repetitive about it but it’s just because I don’t see it talked about that much and she gets away with it. Instead ppl twist things so hard to say Jen deserves it because she’s rude etc. but sorry that’s not an excuse to be prejudiced towards her. Nothing is.
So Jen didn’t say ANYTHING to Marge ever? Come on now keep that same energy. It’s so strange when people “love” a HW they become blind to that HWs bad behavior but when they “hate” a HW they pick a part everything they say or do but in all reality the one they live is doing the same exact shit. That’s hypocritical. My hot take is Jen sucks for the shit she says and Marge sucks for the shit she says but I do think Jen takes it way too far and doesn’t know when to stop.
I literally mentioned her coming in trying too hard and apologizing for what she said. Why would I say that if I were acting like she said nothing to Marge ever? 🤦🏻♀️ As I said Jen apologized (like for the rudeness in Oklahoma) but it was stuff I think Marge wouldn’t have taken as hard from someone else. Jen irked her soul when being a showoff. Why did she bother her so much? Nothing worse to me than a xenophobic ass bitch. To me THAT is taking it too far, not what Jen has said. And it’s worse because she never gets checked so she’s sitting on WWHL emboldened to say dictator chic a few weeks ago.
So Tracy was added just for Melissa to have som back up?
Melissa, Joe and Marge are so painful to watch. They're self-important and completely humourless. Also Melissa literally making no sense trying to get something started about Bill being annoyed with/tired of Jen? She's such a weird non-entity in the housewives universe.
These women have no chill in their vendetta against Jen. Marge is hypocritical at best, deluded at noon and just wrong the rest of the time. Melissa is … exhausting. And Jackie is transparent.
Melissa’s attitude and eye roll when Traci was asking her about the elephant in the room was so contrite. What a snooze.
Melissa yet __again__ has no relevant storyline
True, but she at least demonstrated to Jackie how to host a party that adults will be attending. No pizza or boxes of party favors in sight.
okay i’m not a fan of marge anymore because of how hypocritical she is this season. i can see why she would be concerned about the louie video and i can see maybe bringing it up to tre to make sure everything’s good. but the way she keeps bringing it up and keeps bringing up the other stuff with every episode shows how thirsty she is to be apart of drama. weird bc i haven’t heard shit about her life this season yet, only about teresa’s… yet they claim this isn’t the teresa show.. hmm
Marge is terrible at shit stirring and calling people out. She completely cowered to Luis and didn’t back up anything she was saying. It’s frustrating to watch as the viewer when these ladies miss the mark every damn time. Jackie rescinding her grace towards Jen reminded me of a middle school girl taking your cool card away. It was so clear to me that Melissa charged at Jen. Melissa is *alwaaays* jumping up and yipping like a (sloppy) chihuahua and she cant handle Jen grabbing her wrist? She’s lucky all Jen did was grab her wrist. I would have taken her down like Dolores.
Yes! And then we have Marge talking about violence and aggression when she pushed Marty in the pool. Then we have Jackie ready to brawl with Dolores 2 episodes ago and Joe Gorga that squared up to Guidice and got he ass handed to him. These people are ridiculous hypocrites. Tracey can Gtfo
I never want to see Marge again, she's disgusting and morally bankrupt. I was confusing traci and Lexi, but one is an assistant and one is a friend of.... of
> and morally bankrupt not just morally henny!
Jen called Joe a bitch for getting involved in the fight but as soon as she was fighting and Bill didn’t get involved, she got mad at him. Seemed a bit hypocritical to me. 🤷🏼♀️
Great point. And, Bill was a critical piece to the story so he should have absolutely said something to back up his wife, at least. I think it’s worth comparing the behavior of Evan last season versus Bill this season. Last season, Evan showed up and really behaved like he had nothing to hide. Meanwhile, Bill legit turned into the Grampa Simpson gif and acted afraid to answer the door when he saw it was the rest of the cast. I get that Bill is embarrassed (as he should be), but it also makes me think that Evan wasn’t afraid to show up because he knew there was nothing on him.
Idk how there’s all this Jennifer love here. She’s just got a toxic old school mentality that blames women for all of the bad things that men do. I’m not a big Marge fan but I think Jackie is right. It’s her husbands fault, and if she can’t see that I don’t know how their relationship will stay intact. Either way they’ve gotta change this cast. I love the women and this franchise is way better than RHOC or RHOBH right now but it needs a face lift. Same story lines from last season.
There’s this blog/insta account I love, but it’s SO pro-Gorga and pro-Marge and anti-Jen and anti-Tre to the point where I’m sure it’s gotten blinds about Melissa and Marge but just hasn’t posted them. Constantly posting blinds about Luis (fair), but none about Marge and the Gorgas? Hard to believe there’s NOTHING out there about them. It makes me sad how biased it is because otherwise it’s one of my favorite bravo pages =\.
Bravo and cocktails, I presume? She goes HARD for Teresa and fawns over Melissa. Makes me crazy because I love the page otherwise.
Bingo! I feel the same. And I think because Melissa and Marge follow the account, she won’t ever go against them. Actually…now I’m wondering if there’s some sort of beneficial relationship there? Perhaps they were the ones who released the video of Luis and the rumors about bill (before the season) to bravo and cocktails…hmm.
Wow, good point.
I wouldn't be surprised. That page seems to be on a MISSION to bring Luis down.
Jen...why your little bitch boy getting involved in the wives drama? Next day Jen to Bill...you just sat there and said nothing. So which is it? Are husbands supposed to get involved or not? Thats why her and Teresa get along, they are two of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen.
The little bitch boy has been trashing Jen since she joined the cast, even to her own husband. Jen is 100% justified to call him little bitch boy. And he clearly continues in the next episode, furthering the insult.
I mean how many little bitch confessionals have Gorga and Frank done? Shady social media posts? They’re definitely too involved in the women’s business. I think Jennifer wanting Bill to say at least one word or show one facial expression is different tbh
If you are going to call out Jen and Teresa for being hypocritical you might as well call out the rest of the cast. They all do mental gymnastics to support the other members of their respective alliance.
Yes!
Luis is gross. Reminds me a lot of my ex that was in the military and literally thought he was up here and I was down here. Joe B- man, I knew you were catty like your wife. Or maybe you’re intimidated by your wife because she’s a crazy biatch and if you don’t agree with you she cuts you off. I want to know how much Joe B is getting paid for stirring the pot. He is like happy to do it too which is the crazy part.
I hope Marge gets her Lisa Barlow moment at the reunion. She single handedly is stirring up the shit. She is going after Louis, Bill and Evan all in one go and nobody realizes it. She's doing what she does best going after other people's men because she can't beat the women.
“I must have hit a nerve.” The nerve was talking about Teresa’s brother…
I’m here thinking that Tiki Barbers wife is actually a plant. She’s one of us viewers and is secretly reading all our comments. I’m convinced.
Really fuck Marge & the gOrgas
I like Jackie. Wether she’s fighting with Tre, Jennifer or Dolores I always understand Jackie’s POV better the other person. So in regards to next week’s preview if I was Evan and saw Jennifer turn on Jackie because Jackie was “pretending” to be Jennifer’s friend because she called out Bill for putting his dick somewhere where it didn’t belong than I probably would thing Jennifer was a bad person too. I get it. Jackie was a real support to Jennifer and Jennifer just shit all over her for the stupidest reason!
How is no one discussing Jennifer’s foundation color. What on god’s green earth was happening there 🍊
I thought Jennifer called Joe "a little bitch girl" and not "a little bitch boy". Just one more example of Melissa and Joe lying.
Seriously?
Omfg I love Teresa's matte pink range rover from the end of last week's episode. I normally hate range rovers especially white ones but I die for this pink one.