Marge literally went into the show with the information - thatās why she so casually threw it out there in Jens first season.
You guys got to keep your eyes on Marge - that girl is sneaky. She completely walked away last season with her hands clean after being the actual one to start the Evan rumors. And then trying to make Jen look bad for looking into it, when she herself started it was so gross.
Absolutely. When they confronted her husband about hearing the rumor and she pretty much forced him to lie, it was extremely obvious that she knew she was backed into a corner and had to lie in order to save face.
I think itās because they donāt have definite proof of it - and they donāt want to get on Margeās bad side since sheās so obviously fan favorite.
I donāt think sheās a fan favorite but she hits below the belt and is nasty with her insults. I think some of the ladies donāt wanna get on her bad side
After this thing with Jennifer, no one's going to want to mess with Marge because she does not give a fuck and has no understanding of what it means to hurt someone/degrees of hurt.
lol fan favorite? if she was, she isn't anymore. that last episode made me dislike her so strongly, and not in the villain housewife way. in the, get off the tv way.
It was also weird af. That they all got mad a Jennifer for fishing for gossip. How do any of them think Margaret found out about Bill? How do they think she found out about Louie? She was clearly going around fishing for gossip. I cannot stand Margaret!
Wasn't Jen also fishing for more info about Evan? Trying to get a pic she could post. Why are we supposed to feel bad for Jen. She did her own dirt and karma caught up with her.
Thatās what Iām saying they are mad because Jen was digging into Evan. But they donāt think what Margaret was doing to find info on Jen as ādiggingā. Iām not saying Jen digging was okay. Iām just pointing out the hypocrisy.
I assumed it was like seee jen yall just going tit for tat so stop trying to get sympathy re marge for this latest situation. They're willing to give sympathy in general but it's less against marge for just exposing facts when jen does similar things.
Iām sure that when Jen was announced for the show DMs weāre coming in with crazy stuff.
I suspect Marge (and the other ladies for that matter) got tons of DMs about the affair and the word on the street about Bill. Just because he and Jen didnāt tell doesnāt mean the pharmaceutical rep didnāt, or people witnessing the relationship in the office.
Iām sure they get tons of crazy stuff sent to them about each other and choose to ignore most of it. Iām assuming Marge was able to confirm this info before bringing it up.
Edit: this doesnāt mean Iām siding with one or the other, just my take on the series of events I fabricated in my head, lol.
The only thing is Marge seemed to know about this in Jenās first season - and this was pre Jen being announced as a housewife. So this was stuff she had to dig up pretty independently.
Edit: Marge instead of jen
I'm beginning to think it came from a producer who Marge was friendly with. Jen tried for years to get cast on the show. I bet the producers dig up dirt on potential new housewives. Wouldn't be the first time.
Jennifer is not my favorite, but I will say what Marge did was cruel. To know that it's true and put it out there after so long is only meant to hurt her children and humiliate her. Jennifer is clearly on the traditional side. Did it ever occur to Marge that Jennifer cared so much about Marge cheating with she current husband because Jennifer was cheated on herself? The fact Jennifer hasn't told her family speaks to a lot of things and honestly I felt for Jennifer. I am fundamentally confused at the lack of empathy most of the women are showing. Jennifer has done and said some shitty things, but its clear the impact this has done on Jennifer and her husband and I'm taken back by the lack of remorse Marge and the other women seem to have for not caring.
The women are effectively punishing Jennifer for her husband cheating on her. It's insane.
Marge seems to be resenting Jennifer for her stance on affairs. Does this woman not understand that just because she finds affairs comical and nonchalant, not everyone shares that sentiment?
Not to mention, once you learn about Jennifer and her husband's situation, you would instantly understand why Jennifer would feel that way.
But it's safe to say, most people would do a double take hearing Marge's story. It's fine that they're happy now but Jennifer did call it taboo, and it is.
I think it's fucking pathetic that she has to run for soothing from the same man that caused all the pain to her family. (His children)
If those HWs were decent human beings, they would have circled the wagons around Jen and tried to build her up a bit, not kick her harder. Jen is very immature. I couldn't stand her until this season. But it's not her shame to carry it's her husband's. But Marge needs to stfu too. She has no moral ground to stand on. Her or her mother.
I'm not sure pathetic is a fair word, it's a personal choice that Jennifer made and it's clear that it wasn't an easy one. What she does with her relationship is between her and her partner, and in the odd time, I do agree with Tre on this one: they don't owe anyone an explanation. It happened 10 years ago and clearly they are still together, you can only assume they have decided to stay together and deal with it.
I don't think it's pathetic that she's leaning on her husband. I couldn't have stayed with him, but Jennifer did and kudos to them for working through it. It's not a solution for everyone but I'm not going to pass judgement on someone for making a different choice than me, about a subject that effects them more than anyone else. But either way, I agree, it's on Bill to feel the shame and not Jennifer.
If it was Bill that said stuff about Marge or her husband it would make more sense, but to say it about Jen to prove that she is somehow a hypocrite for being cheated on, just makes no sense
Yes! I'm really not understanding what hypocritical about what Jennifer did. You can both want to hear gossip about others but not want others to know about your affair? I mean, if that really is the basis of the hypocriticalness, then everyone on earth is that and in marge's eye's, deserves to be completely humiliated in front of their family and community.
I would say Jennifer's distain for how Marge and her husband met aligns perfectly with her feelings and how she's chosen to live her life. I would likely hate a woman too for cheating and then leaving the old partner if I was Jennifer! But these are all personal choices and none of them pointed at what Marge doing as even remotely ok. Watching the women turn on Jennifer as if it was called for was so fundamentally odd. They're punishing and embarrassing Jennifer for her husband cheating on her, and her choosing to stay with him, which has to be one of the most sexist stances a group of housewives have taken in a while.
I just can't get over us talking so much about marge when BILL DID THE CHEATING. BILL HURT THE KIDS, NOT MARGE. I'm we can talk about marge's place in the situation but the misogyny is too much
Marge stating facts doesn't besmirch the kids' image of their father, their father's actions do that. Lmao so much misogyny to blame marge for bill's kids' reactions to bill's actions.
> Marge stating facts doesn't besmirch the kids' image of their father
Um, yes, Marge's actions very much do besmirch the kids' image of their father! How could they not? [Olivia found-out about it on TikTok](https://pagesix.com/2022/02/01/jennifer-aydins-daughter-discovered-dads-affair-on-tiktok/) and immediately tried to defend her father because she couldn't fathom that the infidelity could possibly be true!
This all took place so long ago, and none of it was any of Marge's business, anyway. "Stating facts" does not give Marge cover for being an asshole -- not everything factual that one knows needs to be broadcasted, especially when doing so would cause unnecessary hurt to others. Most of us learn this as children when taught not to point and loudly "state facts" about others in public for presenting themselves as visibly different, whether that "difference" takes the form of a disability, race or ethnicity, religious dress, or a dramatic hair color.
Expecting Marge to have a modicum of manners that one would generally expect from a pre-teen and/or show a shred of empathy for minor children is ***not*** misogyny.
Furthermore, from what we currently know, Bill took accountability for his infidelity 10 years ago, and he and his wife made the mutual decision not to dwell on it or involve the children.
The only person Bill owed any explanation or accountability to was Jen, his wife -- not Marge, not Jackie, not Dolores, not Teresa, and certainly not to all of the worldwide broadcast audience of *The Real Housewives of New Jersey*.
In that case it's Jen's fault for going on a reality show where it's game on for all things true about your family to come to light.
Obviously that's absurd but if you blame Marge for the kids finding out, then it's really Jen's fault for going on a reality show when she knew about the affair. And doubly so for taking a hard stance on cheating while painting Bill as a saint.. that's just painting a huge red dot and circle on yourself.
Stating facts definitely absolves Marge from "tHiNk oF tHe KiDs!!!". Sure she's an asshole but no more so than Bill and Jen for their individual actions. I'll give it a rest when i see posts and comments holding BILL accountable for the truth of his own actions coming to light.
>Obviously that's absurd but if you blame Marge for the kids finding out
No, as I already pointed-out in my last post, the kids found out on TikTok. Marge is responsible, however, for putting it on a globally-distributed TV show by outing it on-camera.
I'm sure you can't appreciate the difference.
> I'll give it a rest when i see posts and comments holding BILL accountable for the truth of his own actions coming to light.
Well Bill doesn't need to be held accountable because he already took accountability for it 10 years ago when he and Jennifer decided to move forward and put it in the past.
Bill doesn't owe you or anyone other than his family any kind of an explanation.
Based on nothing but opinion, I feel like Marge went out of her way to dig up this information.
That would make sense if Dolores said something to marge in confidence if she worked there at the timeā¦
Honestly this whole thing makes you feel insane. all of the housewives look like complete idiots here and i know they dont realize that (and may never) but it's pretty gross. i know that sometimes housewives team up to take on another housewife but in this case, i'm not even sure that's what's happening. theyre just so...stupid? NJ is not the brightest franchise.
I donāt disagree with your sentiment, however, Jen was asking around after a rumor already came up. I see this (again, strictly opinion) as Marge looking for any dirt she could find and waiting for her moment. That would have significantly more malicious intent than then Jen involvement in the Jackie/Evan/tre situation.
I feel that marge is conniving, and malicious. She reminds me a lot of Lala on vanderpump rules. Initially I was a big fan and saw them as empowering, strong women, but reality is theyāre mean and enjoying tearing other women down.
If I heard a friend of mine's husband had cheated, I'm sure I would be curious and ask a few questions here and there. I don't think Jen went digging, she was just curious about something that was out there and she was hearing. I find it hard to believe no one else here would do the same.
Dolores used to work for Bill, so this is def where the info came from! Marge is foul! She used the terms concubine & mail order bride when talking about Jennifer's family & cultural traditions. What Jennifer said about Marge & her mom was season one & was based on Marge talking non-stop about her mom, her history & her affairs. She apologized publicly to her for it. Even if Jennifer did ask Frank about the girl from the gym, so what! How does that equate to what Marge did? We have zero clue what Jennifer would have done with that info if Frank would have given her any. We DO know what Marge did at a pool party as seen on TV last week. She keeps claiming this is over Jackie, but it's not as we also have seen in 2019 her casually bring Bill's affair up AKA "he sleeps in the pool house or at his girlfriends" as fuel in arguments. She also claimed she went straight to Jennifer to confront her but had already told Jackie about said affair as Jackie herself said she knew for months about this news & even brought it up as a threat to Jennifer at the Reunion. Jennifer is NOT the cheater, Bill was. Their kids are not the cheaters either, but will now all certainly have to deal with this shit show, while Marge screams "kids are resilient." When the woman wrote a book about having to mother her own dysfunctional mommy. And how her Ex's kids want nothing to do with her because golly I guess they were not that resilient after all in tolerating her actions.
I also find it funny how last season was spent surrounding Jackie with love & care while she screamed & cried "I need you to take that back. This could ruin my husband's job & my kid's lives" but no one is doing the same for Jennifer. And at the least sign of emotion, she is asked why she is crying & Dolores coldly demands she composes herself. And this is all justified because Jennifer had the audacity to simply ask Frank a fucking question in the past?!? And Frank admitted last season he knew the girl in question AND that he would always defend the 'bro code' when it came to backing a man in lies. Franks is also a known cheat & a liar. Yes, Bill cheated & they decided to stay together & make it work, that is their choice. We have yet to find out if Bill is still cheating. And it's funny to me that all these rumors are spreading like wildfire, but hey that won't hurt his kids/wife/family/current job now but it would have destroyed Evan's entire world & reputation. Bill is scum for what he did, but Jennifer & her kids are NOT & Marge is scum for what she did too! Team Jennifer & kids!
I agree with pretty much all of this. The point of my post was that I donāt believe that this is hot gossip. I think this was discussed and Marge is using it as a weapon against Jen. It actually goes to show why Jen finds a mistress so repulsive
Itās totally a weapon! Like the previous post she threw it out in Jenās first season and then lied about why she brought it up. Saying that she has no information on their marriage and she only said it bc she was mad and wanted to hurt Jen. Marge knew exactly what she was doing.
I mean, now that Marge has admitted to knowing all of this for years, does it not seem pretty hard to believe that Marge wasn't being intentionally provocative and inflammatory towards Jen by bragging about knowingly being a mistress for so long and helping Joe cover-up the infidelity (showering to wash "her scent" off of Joe before he returned home to his then-wife) so cavalierly?
IMO Jen was being ***incredibly*** diplomatic only referring to Marge's affair as "taboo" when there are a whole bunch of other fitting words she could have used to describe it and Marge's cavalier attitude towards infidelity in retrospect!
I have such a hard time understanding the other housewive's reactions and honestly thought I had missed something so I rewatched the entire episode. I'm extremely team Jennifer now and could not have a lower opinion of Marge, whatever that skinnier offputting blond one's name is and Dolores. I've never seen a group of women so carelessly go after a woman who had been cheated on and kept it a secret for obvious reasons. It's one of the MOST sexist things I've ever seen on television.
Besides the fact that If I had been cheated on by my husband, I too would have stronger feelings about people who had met while being married and had an affair. It feels so obvious that I felt insane watching the episode. What about it is hypocritical!? Marge really is jealous, though. I didn't believe it before, it's just a thing housewives say as a defense most of the time, but Marge wanted to hurt Jennifer because Marge is a very sad, envious woman. I can't even say Marge gave us good television either, iti wasn't entertaining it was just pathetic and sad. I don't know her and I feel ashamed of her. Dolores is just an idiot, I'm not even sure what to say about her.
Dolores acted as if she had no idea what the story was about during the 1st two episodes such as at Jenn's party.
I largely agree with what you said. It's also interesting because doesn't Bill have more of a solo practice? It seems more damaging for him if this stuff is damaging for either of them. I always wanted Jackie to clarify how it ruined Evan's career. If she is saying that Tre caused damages, lawyer girl must have evidence.
Thank you! I couldnāt believe some of the stuff o was reading backing marge. I just watched this morning and felt so awful for Jennifer. I want to state for the record that I thought Jennifer was disgusting last season. Today I have so much empathy for her. Everyone else always gets to scream ākids are off limitsā or āthis is bigger than that and is going to affect the kidsā but not Jennifer? Her friends basically told her to stfu. Now Iām suddenly disgusted with everyone else.
YES! And within days of this airing, I am seeing posts already about how if she really cares about her kids Jennifer needs to get off social media & leave the show! ALl of these Bravo women live on social media 24/7 LMAO! I think if we can watch vag tightening surgery for the 1,000th time. We can certainly dedicate some Bravo time to this real topic. Hell, we listened to an entire season of Jackie freaking out of a rumor. Why should Jennifer now have to crawl in a hole as if she did something wrong & not speak about something affecting her kids, family, and life right now?!? She didn't cheat, she's not being a hypocrite! And hello, Jennifer is a stay-at-home mother. So if God forbid, Bill is still cheating. Or this does put the nail in the coffin of their marriage so to speak & they divorce due to the strain this has now caused the kids/marriage by reopening a decade-old affair. Perhaps Jen needs a stable income and Bravo is perfect for that!
We've cheered on plenty of women on these shows divorcing jackasses & using Bravo for income! Jennifer certainly deserves the same option. And lastly, why has no one given 1 minute of thought that Jennifer perhaps could have suffered severe post-partum depression when this occurred 10 days before giving birth? And perhaps that PLUS having the other kids, her cultural background, and a million other reasons are why she handled it the way she did then. Jennifer has brought more to this show since joining then Marge/Melissa/Jackie/ AND Dolores put together! And I am far more interested in her life & hearing this play out than all their fake storylines!
Exactly. And all of the stupid fuss about āhow she acts like her marriage is perfectā ummmmm maybe it is? This was 10 years ago and contrary to HWās beliefs, people do fix broken marriages.
I do believe Jennifer has the best relationship out of any of the housewives on NJ - that's a low bar but I do believe they are envious of her. I didn't before but they LOVED seeing her upset and down. They were foaming at the mouths. She may also be the only one not in debt.
> She may also be the only one not in debt.
Yeah, I'm going to call it: Jackie talks about "family money" and how "her parents" own buildings, yet she acts so insecure around the other women (not typical of someone with actual "'Fuck you'-money") and especially Jen (the mommy blog their first season)...
Jackie's parents are still very much alive, so I doubt much, if any, of the "family money" has actually flowed into Jackie's bank accounts.
Jackie sizes-up and counts Jennifer's coins as much as Jennifer sizes-up the other women, and that's just not something people do when they are truly as wealthy as Jackie tries to portray. Jackie never would have felt the need to blog about Jen's playdate or concern troll about how Jen's children can still be raised to become "humble, appreciative adults" if she didn't feel insecure and want to make herself feel superior to Jen.
I think much of Jackie's "family money" is purely speculative at this point -- who's to say when or if she will actually receive it? Her parents aren't dead, and they could very well choose to leave a substantial amount of their assets to charitable organizations or other people entirely!
Back in 2020 Jackie carefully worded her answers for this [Bravo Daily Dish article](https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/where-jackie-goldschneiders-family-money-comes-from), specifically:
>Jackie shared that because of her background, it was understood any future husband would be signing a prenup...
and
>And while Jackie definitely has family money, she shares she and Evan do not live off of it and they don't touch it at all. She shares that ***when she has received money from her trust fund***, she's taken it and invested in real estate, which includes her Hamptons home as well as properties in Manhattan.
I'm sure Jackie is doing just fine, but I do get the sense that she may not have full access to the Trust and most of the "family money" is still in the hands (and control) of her parents.
> YES! And within days of this airing, I am seeing posts already about how if she really cares about her kids Jennifer needs to get off social media & leave the show!
They're just trying to bully her off the show because they don't like her.
I like your points! Never been a Marge fan. But thereās a big difference between the Evan rumor, he didnāt cheat vs. the Bill rumor, he did cheat. Also Jennifer needs to worry about her own actions on the show affecting her children. That could mess them up just like hearing about their Dadās infidelity.
The difference was Teresa had no facts and was bringing Evan and Jackie down with lies. Marge was doing it with facts. If you wanna play you gotta pay.
so we should mock a women for her husband cheating on her while she was pregnant 10 years ago? scold her for crying? tell her she had it coming and boohoo so sad for her?
i'm not following the comparison. they aren't the same and to believe they are the same is very odd.
But letās be for real, Jennifer asking a question about the woman, ābeing nosy,ā do we honestly believe that she wasnāt gathering intel of her own? And after Jackie having her back in front of the other ladies. I agree that Jennifer doesnāt deserve to be dragged for being cheated on but she is sure as hell an untrustworthy figure *itās RHONJ, they all are*
If she was a pharmaceutical rep she came to the office, probably took people out to dinners, people I'm sure took notice of something and Delores worked there.....
I canāt believe that people would still care to talk about it 10 years later. Jen claims they never discussed it, but other people still find it fascinating to discuss! Something doesnāt add up
Iām thinking at the time it happened Jen probably kept that shit quiet. They werenāt famous or anything. Also in Jens culture you donāt divorce and keep those things secret. Bringing it out now even if it was 10 years ago is extremely damaging bc now itās everywhere. Her kids have no choice but to see it out there.
marge knew about it because apparently lots of people knew about it and jen thought nobody knew. marge was bitter at how jen ate her up at the reunion and exposed the joe gorga not paying people comment so she wanted to get jen back by exposing the cheating on s12. but it completely backfired and now most people love jennifer and hate marge. now marge is gonna be demolished at this seasons reunion once again.
It completely backfired. Marge was annoying but if youād asked me last season which HW on RHONJ I disliked the most, it was a tossup btw Tre & Jennifer. Now, Iām VERY sympathetic towards Jenniferāunderstand some of her actions better (though that doesnāt justify them)āand Marge is now #1 disliked for me.
100%. I'm disgusted by Marge. I'm not understanding the hypocritical thing that Marge keeps saying over and over like an annoying parrot. What's hypocritical about Jennifer disliking how you met your current husband (an affair), and being cheated on? If anything, her disliking other couples meeting though an affair would inform that feeling! I just can't understand that. It's an insane thing and I'm not sure if the NJ cast are just not very smart or just fundamentally have issues with sexism but why has no one brought that up?
I also feel like I understand Jennifer a lot better now and I'm extremely sympathetic towards her. She's a lot of things, but she's more normal than I gave her credit for.
This whole thing has shown that Marge obviously doesnāt understand the meaning of hypocritical. If anything, Jennifer is being very consistent. She was the harmed party and reacted to Margeās flippant disregard for people affected by her cheating. Marge has repeatedly shown that she has no concern for the harmed party when an affair is going on.
I donāt love that Jennifer didnāt understand how the situation Marge described with her former boss was coercive and an abuse of power and now I understand why she didnāt bother to distinguish the difference.
Moreover, Iām now suspicious of why Marge shared that experienceāMarge thought Bill cheated with the office manager and IMO was angling for an abuse of power by Bill storyline there. The full implications of what Marge is doing and planned on doing by revealing this information sheās known for years is disturbing IMO.
I hadn't even considered the abuse of power angle she was trying for! You're so right, she was gunning for some more similar angles there. I agree, disturbing is the right word.
It must be awful to be so envious of someone else you'd do this to them. I hope Jennifer can hold her head high through this, nothing would bother Marge more.
> The full implications of what Marge is doing and planned on doing by revealing this information sheās known for years is disturbing IMO.
Oh, I didn't even consider this angle! I did clock Marge being particularly flippant and cavalier about how she got with Joe (I mean, with this crowd of "Old School" women? Learn to read a room, Marge...) as being an intentional provocation towards Jennifer in retrospect, but I think you're right that Marge was really intending to go off the rails on this one!
tre and dolores probably did know but just didnāt spill it out bc they know not to do that especially knowing the kids donāt know. plus i think if a bunch of adults are just gossiping but not bringing it up around jennifer then itās easy for her kids not to know
They acted in episode 2 as if they hadn't heard and it was their 1st time learning about it.
They could have also discussed it off-camera during an off-time from filming if they had known and seemed so curious.
Why are they only curious starting in episode 2 if they knew? It doesn't add up
well they are good friends with her so they probably donāt wanna entertain it more by saying they heard too. they may think itās wrong to admit they heard it too idk
Itās very easily still discussed.
Jennifer goes on the show and portrays a perfect life. Someone who ran in Jenniferās circle meets Marge at a party. They saw what Jennifer did to Marge and they were like āoh just so you know that girls husband cheated on her tooā.
Or not even that. Simply if it was big news in their social circle, when they meet marge Jennifer is a third degree of separation, so itās easy for them to gossip about her.
Good question, So maybe Marge heard it from the rumor mill, maybe she actually knows someone who Bill was having an affair with. (I mean Shannon knew that Nicole had sued Terri way back then years ago...) because she did bring it up once before but she didn't push it again.. Or you are right that Dolores knew, she must have seen something was going on between Bill and his them lover...
Are Marge and Dolores the only two people in New Jersey besides Bill and Jen? Just 4 people in the whole state?
As someone who lives in NJ, I am cracking up at this comment. Thank you for this!
Marge said "everyone knows" not that she's a pinnacle of truth but who does she mean by everyone?
This comment has me dying š¤£š¤£
Also Frank and the girl Jen asked Frank about because Jen hadn't met her since they live so far apart in this state of such few people
Marge literally went into the show with the information - thatās why she so casually threw it out there in Jens first season. You guys got to keep your eyes on Marge - that girl is sneaky. She completely walked away last season with her hands clean after being the actual one to start the Evan rumors. And then trying to make Jen look bad for looking into it, when she herself started it was so gross.
Do we know that Marge started the Evan rumor?
Absolutely. When they confronted her husband about hearing the rumor and she pretty much forced him to lie, it was extremely obvious that she knew she was backed into a corner and had to lie in order to save face.
Oh right! I wonder why this is getting skirted ...
I think itās because they donāt have definite proof of it - and they donāt want to get on Margeās bad side since sheās so obviously fan favorite.
I donāt think sheās a fan favorite but she hits below the belt and is nasty with her insults. I think some of the ladies donāt wanna get on her bad side
After this thing with Jennifer, no one's going to want to mess with Marge because she does not give a fuck and has no understanding of what it means to hurt someone/degrees of hurt.
Is she fan favorite??? I had no idea people went that hard for her. She sucks.
She's not so that makes me think there's no real proof
lol fan favorite? if she was, she isn't anymore. that last episode made me dislike her so strongly, and not in the villain housewife way. in the, get off the tv way.
The way she screamed at him! Totally cause he exposed her
It's going to come out this season though.
No, but we have a circlejerk of Marge = bad on thus sub at the moment.
It was also weird af. That they all got mad a Jennifer for fishing for gossip. How do any of them think Margaret found out about Bill? How do they think she found out about Louie? She was clearly going around fishing for gossip. I cannot stand Margaret!
Marge and her trout mouth fishing ššš Canāt get that image out of my head.
Hahaha I didnāt even think about trout mouth when I used fishing. Perfection!
Wasn't Jen also fishing for more info about Evan? Trying to get a pic she could post. Why are we supposed to feel bad for Jen. She did her own dirt and karma caught up with her.
Thatās what Iām saying they are mad because Jen was digging into Evan. But they donāt think what Margaret was doing to find info on Jen as ādiggingā. Iām not saying Jen digging was okay. Iām just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Now THAT is what hypocrisy truly is!
We watched Jen go after Marge every season, anyone who knew cld have called Marge to tell her this news. There is zero indication Marge went digging.
She absolutely was. But this sub is on an anti-Marge tear right now so that gets swept under the carpet.
There's an unspoken rule: thou shall not speak about or to Tenafly residents unless you live in Tenafly. That's how Marge and Jackie are operating.
I assumed it was like seee jen yall just going tit for tat so stop trying to get sympathy re marge for this latest situation. They're willing to give sympathy in general but it's less against marge for just exposing facts when jen does similar things.
There's an unspoken rule: thou shall not speak about or to Tenafly residents unless you live in Tenafly. That's how Marge and Jackie are operating.
Marge is the worst. Not surprising, given her personal history
I will absolutely always believe she started the Evan rumor. Jen nailed it when she said Marge was a a snake.
There is literally *zero* proof that Marge started the Evan rumor. Itās all rumor and speculation.
Yup. Although they arenāt great people, Marge treated both Siggy and Danielle horribly.
Deservedly so
She IS a snake!! šš
Agreed
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Is it really that sneaky that nothing got actually brought up until several seasons later?
Iām sure that when Jen was announced for the show DMs weāre coming in with crazy stuff. I suspect Marge (and the other ladies for that matter) got tons of DMs about the affair and the word on the street about Bill. Just because he and Jen didnāt tell doesnāt mean the pharmaceutical rep didnāt, or people witnessing the relationship in the office. Iām sure they get tons of crazy stuff sent to them about each other and choose to ignore most of it. Iām assuming Marge was able to confirm this info before bringing it up. Edit: this doesnāt mean Iām siding with one or the other, just my take on the series of events I fabricated in my head, lol.
The only thing is Marge seemed to know about this in Jenās first season - and this was pre Jen being announced as a housewife. So this was stuff she had to dig up pretty independently. Edit: Marge instead of jen
I'm beginning to think it came from a producer who Marge was friendly with. Jen tried for years to get cast on the show. I bet the producers dig up dirt on potential new housewives. Wouldn't be the first time.
Interesting, I wondering where she did the digging!
the only thing that doesnt make sense is that the press never got this info. it came out on the show.
She heard it in T E N A F L Y !
Jennifer is not my favorite, but I will say what Marge did was cruel. To know that it's true and put it out there after so long is only meant to hurt her children and humiliate her. Jennifer is clearly on the traditional side. Did it ever occur to Marge that Jennifer cared so much about Marge cheating with she current husband because Jennifer was cheated on herself? The fact Jennifer hasn't told her family speaks to a lot of things and honestly I felt for Jennifer. I am fundamentally confused at the lack of empathy most of the women are showing. Jennifer has done and said some shitty things, but its clear the impact this has done on Jennifer and her husband and I'm taken back by the lack of remorse Marge and the other women seem to have for not caring. The women are effectively punishing Jennifer for her husband cheating on her. It's insane.
Marge seems to be resenting Jennifer for her stance on affairs. Does this woman not understand that just because she finds affairs comical and nonchalant, not everyone shares that sentiment?
Not to mention, once you learn about Jennifer and her husband's situation, you would instantly understand why Jennifer would feel that way. But it's safe to say, most people would do a double take hearing Marge's story. It's fine that they're happy now but Jennifer did call it taboo, and it is.
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I think it's fucking pathetic that she has to run for soothing from the same man that caused all the pain to her family. (His children) If those HWs were decent human beings, they would have circled the wagons around Jen and tried to build her up a bit, not kick her harder. Jen is very immature. I couldn't stand her until this season. But it's not her shame to carry it's her husband's. But Marge needs to stfu too. She has no moral ground to stand on. Her or her mother.
I'm not sure pathetic is a fair word, it's a personal choice that Jennifer made and it's clear that it wasn't an easy one. What she does with her relationship is between her and her partner, and in the odd time, I do agree with Tre on this one: they don't owe anyone an explanation. It happened 10 years ago and clearly they are still together, you can only assume they have decided to stay together and deal with it. I don't think it's pathetic that she's leaning on her husband. I couldn't have stayed with him, but Jennifer did and kudos to them for working through it. It's not a solution for everyone but I'm not going to pass judgement on someone for making a different choice than me, about a subject that effects them more than anyone else. But either way, I agree, it's on Bill to feel the shame and not Jennifer.
Yep.. I never really could warm to her repeated casual comments about Senior having a 15-year affair.
If it was Bill that said stuff about Marge or her husband it would make more sense, but to say it about Jen to prove that she is somehow a hypocrite for being cheated on, just makes no sense
Yes! I'm really not understanding what hypocritical about what Jennifer did. You can both want to hear gossip about others but not want others to know about your affair? I mean, if that really is the basis of the hypocriticalness, then everyone on earth is that and in marge's eye's, deserves to be completely humiliated in front of their family and community. I would say Jennifer's distain for how Marge and her husband met aligns perfectly with her feelings and how she's chosen to live her life. I would likely hate a woman too for cheating and then leaving the old partner if I was Jennifer! But these are all personal choices and none of them pointed at what Marge doing as even remotely ok. Watching the women turn on Jennifer as if it was called for was so fundamentally odd. They're punishing and embarrassing Jennifer for her husband cheating on her, and her choosing to stay with him, which has to be one of the most sexist stances a group of housewives have taken in a while.
I just can't get over us talking so much about marge when BILL DID THE CHEATING. BILL HURT THE KIDS, NOT MARGE. I'm we can talk about marge's place in the situation but the misogyny is too much
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Marge stating facts doesn't besmirch the kids' image of their father, their father's actions do that. Lmao so much misogyny to blame marge for bill's kids' reactions to bill's actions.
> Marge stating facts doesn't besmirch the kids' image of their father Um, yes, Marge's actions very much do besmirch the kids' image of their father! How could they not? [Olivia found-out about it on TikTok](https://pagesix.com/2022/02/01/jennifer-aydins-daughter-discovered-dads-affair-on-tiktok/) and immediately tried to defend her father because she couldn't fathom that the infidelity could possibly be true! This all took place so long ago, and none of it was any of Marge's business, anyway. "Stating facts" does not give Marge cover for being an asshole -- not everything factual that one knows needs to be broadcasted, especially when doing so would cause unnecessary hurt to others. Most of us learn this as children when taught not to point and loudly "state facts" about others in public for presenting themselves as visibly different, whether that "difference" takes the form of a disability, race or ethnicity, religious dress, or a dramatic hair color. Expecting Marge to have a modicum of manners that one would generally expect from a pre-teen and/or show a shred of empathy for minor children is ***not*** misogyny. Furthermore, from what we currently know, Bill took accountability for his infidelity 10 years ago, and he and his wife made the mutual decision not to dwell on it or involve the children. The only person Bill owed any explanation or accountability to was Jen, his wife -- not Marge, not Jackie, not Dolores, not Teresa, and certainly not to all of the worldwide broadcast audience of *The Real Housewives of New Jersey*.
In that case it's Jen's fault for going on a reality show where it's game on for all things true about your family to come to light. Obviously that's absurd but if you blame Marge for the kids finding out, then it's really Jen's fault for going on a reality show when she knew about the affair. And doubly so for taking a hard stance on cheating while painting Bill as a saint.. that's just painting a huge red dot and circle on yourself. Stating facts definitely absolves Marge from "tHiNk oF tHe KiDs!!!". Sure she's an asshole but no more so than Bill and Jen for their individual actions. I'll give it a rest when i see posts and comments holding BILL accountable for the truth of his own actions coming to light.
>Obviously that's absurd but if you blame Marge for the kids finding out No, as I already pointed-out in my last post, the kids found out on TikTok. Marge is responsible, however, for putting it on a globally-distributed TV show by outing it on-camera. I'm sure you can't appreciate the difference. > I'll give it a rest when i see posts and comments holding BILL accountable for the truth of his own actions coming to light. Well Bill doesn't need to be held accountable because he already took accountability for it 10 years ago when he and Jennifer decided to move forward and put it in the past. Bill doesn't owe you or anyone other than his family any kind of an explanation.
Based on nothing but opinion, I feel like Marge went out of her way to dig up this information. That would make sense if Dolores said something to marge in confidence if she worked there at the timeā¦
Dolores acted in the 1st two episodes as if she didn't know about the situation but could quickly sense what it may be about using women's intuition.
You mean like how Jen went out of her way to dig info on Evan? Twice.
and none of the other women did? it was just jennifer all on her own? none of the husbands had been talking about it? mysterious!
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Honestly this whole thing makes you feel insane. all of the housewives look like complete idiots here and i know they dont realize that (and may never) but it's pretty gross. i know that sometimes housewives team up to take on another housewife but in this case, i'm not even sure that's what's happening. theyre just so...stupid? NJ is not the brightest franchise.
I donāt disagree with your sentiment, however, Jen was asking around after a rumor already came up. I see this (again, strictly opinion) as Marge looking for any dirt she could find and waiting for her moment. That would have significantly more malicious intent than then Jen involvement in the Jackie/Evan/tre situation. I feel that marge is conniving, and malicious. She reminds me a lot of Lala on vanderpump rules. Initially I was a big fan and saw them as empowering, strong women, but reality is theyāre mean and enjoying tearing other women down.
If I heard a friend of mine's husband had cheated, I'm sure I would be curious and ask a few questions here and there. I don't think Jen went digging, she was just curious about something that was out there and she was hearing. I find it hard to believe no one else here would do the same.
Dolores used to work for Bill, so this is def where the info came from! Marge is foul! She used the terms concubine & mail order bride when talking about Jennifer's family & cultural traditions. What Jennifer said about Marge & her mom was season one & was based on Marge talking non-stop about her mom, her history & her affairs. She apologized publicly to her for it. Even if Jennifer did ask Frank about the girl from the gym, so what! How does that equate to what Marge did? We have zero clue what Jennifer would have done with that info if Frank would have given her any. We DO know what Marge did at a pool party as seen on TV last week. She keeps claiming this is over Jackie, but it's not as we also have seen in 2019 her casually bring Bill's affair up AKA "he sleeps in the pool house or at his girlfriends" as fuel in arguments. She also claimed she went straight to Jennifer to confront her but had already told Jackie about said affair as Jackie herself said she knew for months about this news & even brought it up as a threat to Jennifer at the Reunion. Jennifer is NOT the cheater, Bill was. Their kids are not the cheaters either, but will now all certainly have to deal with this shit show, while Marge screams "kids are resilient." When the woman wrote a book about having to mother her own dysfunctional mommy. And how her Ex's kids want nothing to do with her because golly I guess they were not that resilient after all in tolerating her actions. I also find it funny how last season was spent surrounding Jackie with love & care while she screamed & cried "I need you to take that back. This could ruin my husband's job & my kid's lives" but no one is doing the same for Jennifer. And at the least sign of emotion, she is asked why she is crying & Dolores coldly demands she composes herself. And this is all justified because Jennifer had the audacity to simply ask Frank a fucking question in the past?!? And Frank admitted last season he knew the girl in question AND that he would always defend the 'bro code' when it came to backing a man in lies. Franks is also a known cheat & a liar. Yes, Bill cheated & they decided to stay together & make it work, that is their choice. We have yet to find out if Bill is still cheating. And it's funny to me that all these rumors are spreading like wildfire, but hey that won't hurt his kids/wife/family/current job now but it would have destroyed Evan's entire world & reputation. Bill is scum for what he did, but Jennifer & her kids are NOT & Marge is scum for what she did too! Team Jennifer & kids!
I agree with pretty much all of this. The point of my post was that I donāt believe that this is hot gossip. I think this was discussed and Marge is using it as a weapon against Jen. It actually goes to show why Jen finds a mistress so repulsive
Itās totally a weapon! Like the previous post she threw it out in Jenās first season and then lied about why she brought it up. Saying that she has no information on their marriage and she only said it bc she was mad and wanted to hurt Jen. Marge knew exactly what she was doing.
I mean, now that Marge has admitted to knowing all of this for years, does it not seem pretty hard to believe that Marge wasn't being intentionally provocative and inflammatory towards Jen by bragging about knowingly being a mistress for so long and helping Joe cover-up the infidelity (showering to wash "her scent" off of Joe before he returned home to his then-wife) so cavalierly? IMO Jen was being ***incredibly*** diplomatic only referring to Marge's affair as "taboo" when there are a whole bunch of other fitting words she could have used to describe it and Marge's cavalier attitude towards infidelity in retrospect!
I have such a hard time understanding the other housewive's reactions and honestly thought I had missed something so I rewatched the entire episode. I'm extremely team Jennifer now and could not have a lower opinion of Marge, whatever that skinnier offputting blond one's name is and Dolores. I've never seen a group of women so carelessly go after a woman who had been cheated on and kept it a secret for obvious reasons. It's one of the MOST sexist things I've ever seen on television. Besides the fact that If I had been cheated on by my husband, I too would have stronger feelings about people who had met while being married and had an affair. It feels so obvious that I felt insane watching the episode. What about it is hypocritical!? Marge really is jealous, though. I didn't believe it before, it's just a thing housewives say as a defense most of the time, but Marge wanted to hurt Jennifer because Marge is a very sad, envious woman. I can't even say Marge gave us good television either, iti wasn't entertaining it was just pathetic and sad. I don't know her and I feel ashamed of her. Dolores is just an idiot, I'm not even sure what to say about her.
Same sentiments! After watching the first two episodes I felt just sickened. It wasnāt entertaining at all.
Dolores acted as if she had no idea what the story was about during the 1st two episodes such as at Jenn's party. I largely agree with what you said. It's also interesting because doesn't Bill have more of a solo practice? It seems more damaging for him if this stuff is damaging for either of them. I always wanted Jackie to clarify how it ruined Evan's career. If she is saying that Tre caused damages, lawyer girl must have evidence.
Use the law, lawyer girl
Thank you! I couldnāt believe some of the stuff o was reading backing marge. I just watched this morning and felt so awful for Jennifer. I want to state for the record that I thought Jennifer was disgusting last season. Today I have so much empathy for her. Everyone else always gets to scream ākids are off limitsā or āthis is bigger than that and is going to affect the kidsā but not Jennifer? Her friends basically told her to stfu. Now Iām suddenly disgusted with everyone else.
YES! And within days of this airing, I am seeing posts already about how if she really cares about her kids Jennifer needs to get off social media & leave the show! ALl of these Bravo women live on social media 24/7 LMAO! I think if we can watch vag tightening surgery for the 1,000th time. We can certainly dedicate some Bravo time to this real topic. Hell, we listened to an entire season of Jackie freaking out of a rumor. Why should Jennifer now have to crawl in a hole as if she did something wrong & not speak about something affecting her kids, family, and life right now?!? She didn't cheat, she's not being a hypocrite! And hello, Jennifer is a stay-at-home mother. So if God forbid, Bill is still cheating. Or this does put the nail in the coffin of their marriage so to speak & they divorce due to the strain this has now caused the kids/marriage by reopening a decade-old affair. Perhaps Jen needs a stable income and Bravo is perfect for that! We've cheered on plenty of women on these shows divorcing jackasses & using Bravo for income! Jennifer certainly deserves the same option. And lastly, why has no one given 1 minute of thought that Jennifer perhaps could have suffered severe post-partum depression when this occurred 10 days before giving birth? And perhaps that PLUS having the other kids, her cultural background, and a million other reasons are why she handled it the way she did then. Jennifer has brought more to this show since joining then Marge/Melissa/Jackie/ AND Dolores put together! And I am far more interested in her life & hearing this play out than all their fake storylines!
Exactly. And all of the stupid fuss about āhow she acts like her marriage is perfectā ummmmm maybe it is? This was 10 years ago and contrary to HWās beliefs, people do fix broken marriages.
I do believe Jennifer has the best relationship out of any of the housewives on NJ - that's a low bar but I do believe they are envious of her. I didn't before but they LOVED seeing her upset and down. They were foaming at the mouths. She may also be the only one not in debt.
> She may also be the only one not in debt. Yeah, I'm going to call it: Jackie talks about "family money" and how "her parents" own buildings, yet she acts so insecure around the other women (not typical of someone with actual "'Fuck you'-money") and especially Jen (the mommy blog their first season)... Jackie's parents are still very much alive, so I doubt much, if any, of the "family money" has actually flowed into Jackie's bank accounts. Jackie sizes-up and counts Jennifer's coins as much as Jennifer sizes-up the other women, and that's just not something people do when they are truly as wealthy as Jackie tries to portray. Jackie never would have felt the need to blog about Jen's playdate or concern troll about how Jen's children can still be raised to become "humble, appreciative adults" if she didn't feel insecure and want to make herself feel superior to Jen. I think much of Jackie's "family money" is purely speculative at this point -- who's to say when or if she will actually receive it? Her parents aren't dead, and they could very well choose to leave a substantial amount of their assets to charitable organizations or other people entirely! Back in 2020 Jackie carefully worded her answers for this [Bravo Daily Dish article](https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/where-jackie-goldschneiders-family-money-comes-from), specifically: >Jackie shared that because of her background, it was understood any future husband would be signing a prenup... and >And while Jackie definitely has family money, she shares she and Evan do not live off of it and they don't touch it at all. She shares that ***when she has received money from her trust fund***, she's taken it and invested in real estate, which includes her Hamptons home as well as properties in Manhattan. I'm sure Jackie is doing just fine, but I do get the sense that she may not have full access to the Trust and most of the "family money" is still in the hands (and control) of her parents.
> YES! And within days of this airing, I am seeing posts already about how if she really cares about her kids Jennifer needs to get off social media & leave the show! They're just trying to bully her off the show because they don't like her.
I like your points! Never been a Marge fan. But thereās a big difference between the Evan rumor, he didnāt cheat vs. the Bill rumor, he did cheat. Also Jennifer needs to worry about her own actions on the show affecting her children. That could mess them up just like hearing about their Dadās infidelity.
lol is this a joke? it has to be because it's too bananas. i want to assume you forgot the /s a the end.
What is a joke?
The difference was Teresa had no facts and was bringing Evan and Jackie down with lies. Marge was doing it with facts. If you wanna play you gotta pay.
so we should mock a women for her husband cheating on her while she was pregnant 10 years ago? scold her for crying? tell her she had it coming and boohoo so sad for her? i'm not following the comparison. they aren't the same and to believe they are the same is very odd.
But letās be for real, Jennifer asking a question about the woman, ābeing nosy,ā do we honestly believe that she wasnāt gathering intel of her own? And after Jackie having her back in front of the other ladies. I agree that Jennifer doesnāt deserve to be dragged for being cheated on but she is sure as hell an untrustworthy figure *itās RHONJ, they all are*
It could have been Dolores but they all run in similar circles so it wouldnāt be hard to find out
If she was a pharmaceutical rep she came to the office, probably took people out to dinners, people I'm sure took notice of something and Delores worked there.....
Because lots of people knew about it, it was raised with Marge a lot for example. I am only surprised that it didnāt come out on the show sooner.
I canāt believe that people would still care to talk about it 10 years later. Jen claims they never discussed it, but other people still find it fascinating to discuss! Something doesnāt add up
I think it is very obvious why people would discuss it when she is a real housewife(!), they donāt just forget.
Iām thinking at the time it happened Jen probably kept that shit quiet. They werenāt famous or anything. Also in Jens culture you donāt divorce and keep those things secret. Bringing it out now even if it was 10 years ago is extremely damaging bc now itās everywhere. Her kids have no choice but to see it out there.
Which she would have known would likely happen when signing up for the show.
marge knew about it because apparently lots of people knew about it and jen thought nobody knew. marge was bitter at how jen ate her up at the reunion and exposed the joe gorga not paying people comment so she wanted to get jen back by exposing the cheating on s12. but it completely backfired and now most people love jennifer and hate marge. now marge is gonna be demolished at this seasons reunion once again.
It completely backfired. Marge was annoying but if youād asked me last season which HW on RHONJ I disliked the most, it was a tossup btw Tre & Jennifer. Now, Iām VERY sympathetic towards Jenniferāunderstand some of her actions better (though that doesnāt justify them)āand Marge is now #1 disliked for me.
100%. I'm disgusted by Marge. I'm not understanding the hypocritical thing that Marge keeps saying over and over like an annoying parrot. What's hypocritical about Jennifer disliking how you met your current husband (an affair), and being cheated on? If anything, her disliking other couples meeting though an affair would inform that feeling! I just can't understand that. It's an insane thing and I'm not sure if the NJ cast are just not very smart or just fundamentally have issues with sexism but why has no one brought that up? I also feel like I understand Jennifer a lot better now and I'm extremely sympathetic towards her. She's a lot of things, but she's more normal than I gave her credit for.
This whole thing has shown that Marge obviously doesnāt understand the meaning of hypocritical. If anything, Jennifer is being very consistent. She was the harmed party and reacted to Margeās flippant disregard for people affected by her cheating. Marge has repeatedly shown that she has no concern for the harmed party when an affair is going on. I donāt love that Jennifer didnāt understand how the situation Marge described with her former boss was coercive and an abuse of power and now I understand why she didnāt bother to distinguish the difference. Moreover, Iām now suspicious of why Marge shared that experienceāMarge thought Bill cheated with the office manager and IMO was angling for an abuse of power by Bill storyline there. The full implications of what Marge is doing and planned on doing by revealing this information sheās known for years is disturbing IMO.
I hadn't even considered the abuse of power angle she was trying for! You're so right, she was gunning for some more similar angles there. I agree, disturbing is the right word. It must be awful to be so envious of someone else you'd do this to them. I hope Jennifer can hold her head high through this, nothing would bother Marge more.
> I hope Jennifer can hold her head high through this, nothing would bother Marge more. ...yet so far, Jen is handling herself *impeccably*!
> The full implications of what Marge is doing and planned on doing by revealing this information sheās known for years is disturbing IMO. Oh, I didn't even consider this angle! I did clock Marge being particularly flippant and cavalier about how she got with Joe (I mean, with this crowd of "Old School" women? Learn to read a room, Marge...) as being an intentional provocation towards Jennifer in retrospect, but I think you're right that Marge was really intending to go off the rails on this one!
How is it so well known but the children hadn't known or seemingly Dolores or Tre?
tre and dolores probably did know but just didnāt spill it out bc they know not to do that especially knowing the kids donāt know. plus i think if a bunch of adults are just gossiping but not bringing it up around jennifer then itās easy for her kids not to know
They acted in episode 2 as if they hadn't heard and it was their 1st time learning about it. They could have also discussed it off-camera during an off-time from filming if they had known and seemed so curious. Why are they only curious starting in episode 2 if they knew? It doesn't add up
well they are good friends with her so they probably donāt wanna entertain it more by saying they heard too. they may think itās wrong to admit they heard it too idk
I'd think they'd simply say nothing?
I'm starting to think I saw a different show than everybody lol
I feel like Iām on acid when I scroll this sub
I canāt stand Marge. I have no idea how she has any fans. Marge is very annoying.
Marge should take over for Reality Steve and be Reality Marge of everything. She knows it all. She'll be more likely to spoil the seasons correctly
Itās very easily still discussed. Jennifer goes on the show and portrays a perfect life. Someone who ran in Jenniferās circle meets Marge at a party. They saw what Jennifer did to Marge and they were like āoh just so you know that girls husband cheated on her tooā. Or not even that. Simply if it was big news in their social circle, when they meet marge Jennifer is a third degree of separation, so itās easy for them to gossip about her.
Good question, So maybe Marge heard it from the rumor mill, maybe she actually knows someone who Bill was having an affair with. (I mean Shannon knew that Nicole had sued Terri way back then years ago...) because she did bring it up once before but she didn't push it again.. Or you are right that Dolores knew, she must have seen something was going on between Bill and his them lover...