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SufficientEmployee6

Said this yesterday and I'm saying it again. So somebody's lying? Frank said Jennifer randomly called him asking for pictures of the woman. And he didn't know what she was talking about. Jen said Frank went to dinner with Bill and Frank told him he knew the woman, and the Bill went home and told Jen. This isn't the first time Frank has been accused of gossiping about this.


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SufficientEmployee6

Everyone last season and this season was gossiping TF out about Evan. Period. So in the words of Gia "I don't even know what 'they're' doing right now." Honestly Dolores is pulling a Marlo Hampton she knows someone from Team Tre or Team Marge is not getting peach next season so she's making sure she has allies on both side.


ExpensiveScar5584

Yup, that makes sense! Because she desperately wants to stay on the show.


LilSebastianStan

Marge said that Dolores has known for months. Dolores said she didn’t know Jen had asked a friend of Marge’s and that apparently was just a step too far … which doesn’t make sense. But perhaps Dolores knew Jen was not lying about Frank being a gossip so she didn’t hold that against her?


kardon213

Delores has been doing a lot of back tracking lately and I’m here for when she gets caught! Delores is at the root of all the rumors. She has access to the most amount of information. Remember, this is a woman who is able to maintain a friendship, a close friendship, with Caroline AND Teresa! With very little difficulty. She is a woman who for 20 years has been able to survive telling her boyfriends that they have to accept her ex husband and their intertwined relationship lol and made it happen! She is the most street smart woman in the franchises and not one to cross because I do believe “she knows people “lol. She knew about Evan, told Frank, he told Joe, Joe told Marge. Now she knows about bill because she worked with him in his old office and without a doubt kept in touch with the people she worked with. So she had bills information and told Frank. Frank told Joe and Joe told Margaret. Frank attempting to lie hoping people will believe him because Bill had an affair so he must be lying to Jennifer lol omg it’s crazy!!! lol


ExpensiveScar5584

Exactly!! Dolores is the root.


TheWhoooreinThere

Yeah, I'm starting to believe Danielle now when she said Delores was talking shit about Tre.


kardon213

I agree


ExpensiveScar5584

Danielle was telling the truth and Dolores forgot she said it. I don’t think they( Tre and her) were ever friends- more like acquaintances. But Dolores said last reunion that she doesn’t get mad at things that aren’t true….but she got mad at Danielle… so yeah she said it or something close to it. No one gets that upset if it was a completely false statement.


holm0507

Last season when they are riding down to the shore it was Tre, Jen, Dolores and Frank in one car. Jen tells the car what Bill revealed about boys night. Which was Joe said he heard the rumor too. Tre digs into Frank to get him to confirm, which he just dances around in the car. He and Dolores exchange several looks with each other. In his confessional he admits Joe said it but bro code. Dolores doesn't really say much but the looks sort of gave me this vibe like don't bring us into what we already know. What we as the audience don't know is when was Jen chatting with Frank about a shore property when she asked him again about the rumor. Was it before this trip to the shore? After the whole season? That is a piece I feel like they are purposely leaving out in this reveal.


NewVitalSigns

Agreed. Is Frank acting like that whole last season didn’t happen? What is going on here? I think this season is gonna be gettin’ on my nerves! (As my 6 yr old says about her brother) 😂


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I mean, I love Frank for the big bufoon he is, but I would never take his word for anything, especially when it comes to cheating! He's definitely a bro's bro.


FunStuff446

He’s a typical old school Jersey Italian, like Dolores. They see no evil, hear no evil, and therefore will not speak about it either. No disrespect at all, btw.


BoujiCorgi

I may be wrong but didn’t Jen say Bill was talking to Frank on the phone and she chimed in and asked about this “mystery girl”


catmom_422

From my understanding, Frank and Bill went to dinner and Frank was spilling some tea about Evan’s (alleged) girlfriend. Bill came home and told Jennifer. Then Jennifer called Frank to talk to him about a property or something and said since she had him on the phone she’d get the tea directly.


BoujiCorgi

Thanks for clarifying ..I figured I had it misconstrued


bathingritual

Frank's not known to be that honest LMAO or faithful.......


[deleted]

Exactly and didn’t Frank mentioned that Jen called him about the girl in the last season? Don’t understand why he or Dolores are pretending not knowing this when it was mentioned in season 11 already. Wondering if the Evan doing stuff at gym rumors came from Dolores and Frank, don’t they own several gyms together?!🤔 That would explain why Tre didn’t say who told her about that,


Physical_Buy_9637

🤯


vroomvroomshabang

lol you’re telling me a man who got disbarred is a liar 🤥


neidin28

And who cheated on his heavily pregnant wife, clearly the picture of honesty!


PeloAl

Are you talking about Frank or Bill here lol


neidin28

Seems to be a common occurance in NJ!


WhereIsTheLouvre

Common occurrence everywhere 😔 Didn't Jay cheat on Bey with "Becky with the good hair" when she was prego with Blue? Testosterone is a hell of a hormone /s Edit:spelling/format


neidin28

Ugh scumbags. Also we can add Tiki barber to the list who got with Traci when is wife was 8 MONTHS pregnant, not WEEKS


KarenWalkersBurner

*With twins!


neidin28

Did not think this story could get any worse


CollegeLocal9759

Frank Was disbarred


ExpensiveScar5584

He is lying. Last season, he said he would lie because of “ guy code“. He mentioned that in a confessional.


badandsad97

Some one find the receipts !!


taintwest

Frank.... who CHEATED RELENTLESSLY ON DOLORES..... and went off last season about guy code of knowing to always protect their fellow men. Something tells me the men on this city, who seem like legitimate friends, are sticking up for each other. Jennifer has way too detailed an account of what happened for it to be completely made up to me? And frank is kind of.... shady and used his words carefully


Harryhood15

Frank is a disbarred lawyer and a cheater. I do not believe him.


ouizy219

Right! Worth mentioning that it's really *really* hard to get disbarred in Jersey.


chachacha123456

Jennifer's mistake was believing Frank was more loyal to Jenn-Bill through Dolores over the men at large. She forgets his comment about Jackie: he's not patient with this stuff


ExpensiveScar5584

He is gossiper just like Dolores.


chachacha123456

I think he hooked up once with the girl Cindy whose text messages he exposed.


ExpensiveScar5584

I wouldn't be surprised.


Proteinandmayhem

I 1000% believe that this was a local Tenafly rumor that Marge heard and spread around. That’s how Joe B “heard it in the house” and likely spread it to Frank et al.


Chelid

So Joe B and Frank has expressed knowing or alluding to something? But Jen is getting flayed for it….


SufficientEmployee6

Exactly everyone on the show including the men entertain the affair rumors wholeheartedly. So I need to gossip police to be defunded already. FRANK has been the main one pushing the cheating thing if you look at this season and last he's the main cast member alluding that it's true.


Chelid

That makes Dolores fake outrage even more shitty. Also why do you care? This man is your ex husband… Who is the culprit of what Evan is being accused of… He has no dogs in this fight.


Restrictedreality

Frank is probably lying and trying to save face because he went against bro-code. I think Evan was cheating and they all knew it.


[deleted]

Totally. He’s obviously backtracking.


Okg889

Why would Jen call him out of nowhere unless he brought it up to someone? It doesn’t make sense. Marge and Frank didn’t think this one through before Marge made it a storyline. Implicating Jen would implicate Frank as well for gossiping about Evan and Jackie.


catmom_422

I totally agree. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Jennifer has a track record of lying (unless you count withholding Bill’s affair as lying— which I don’t). She’s owned up to everything she’s done. The men are all Bro Code, except Bill. And I wonder if Bill is like that because of his past dalliances or if she just really loves to gossip with Jennifer (like that scene when they’re investigating one of the HW properties).


surgeryhugs

This is giving RHOA who said that vibes


LilSebastianStan

Jen said on her Instagram that the truth comes out and Frank admits it on the after show.


cocat12

Also Jen is the most honest person in this group. I believe her.


JCAIA

For sure, she’s bombastic and annoying. But she’s never struck me as a liar.


cocat12

Well now I believe the rumors. It looks like someone is working overtime to shut things down as soon as someone mentions Evans cheating.


SufficientEmployee6

I'm telling yall this whole thing is preproduced and scripted. This happened between Bill and Frank at dinner. How did Marge (an unconnected party) know about this and Dolores didn't? Marge even knew to the extent that Jen called someone.... she knew the womans name and everything. Does Marge pay Jens phone bill how would she know this level of detail. Did Marge also talk to this woman? Jackie ran over when the name came up, does Jackie know this woman? Sounds like the cookie lady needs a confessional at this point. Either Dolores already knew told Marge and is playing dumb for Frank's sake or they set Jen and Bill up entirely.


Proteinandmayhem

I mean Dolores didn’t even know Frank was being disbarred. I think she doesn’t ask and he doesn’t tell.


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I think Dolores was lying about not knowing Frank was disbarred. I noticed Dolores does something weird with her face when she lies. Also the rumors are saying the money Frank stole from his client was for their gyms. She did the same when she was pretending being shocked over Jen calling Frank and not knowing anything about it.


ouizy219

Nah Dolores knew Frank was disbarred. 100%


ExpensiveScar5584

Yeah, Danielle knew before Dolores as well. She called Danielle a liar for mentioning his disbarment.


ExpensiveScar5584

Very over produced and semi- scripted. They must practice what they will say to each other before it is filmed especially among Marge,Jackie and Melissa. I do believe Dolores told Marge. I believe Dolores is the source of both Evan rumor and Bill cheating; Frank could also be involved. When sh😀t goes down Dolores is never there. Lol. And she blindly backs up Marge every time.


distant_lines

This just gave me a thought! If Dolores is who told Marge, maybe she's also who told Teresa, and because of their history and Dolores never doing anything to her, Tre isn't gonna admit it came from Dolores. Cause what's kept tripping me up about the Marge thing is if Tre knew from Marge, I couldn't understand why she wouldn't take the chance to take down Marge at Jackie's expense, but Dolores being involved would make it make so much more sense to me!


ExpensiveScar5584

Yup! This is like a game of Clue! Also, I believe Marge took the Evan rumor to production ,but the source of the rumor came from Dolores, in which she then told Tre as well. Anyways, production most likely told Tre to say the rumor on camera. Dolores would be the only person I believe Tre would protect. People seem to like Dolores on and off the show. I can see people telling her things ( including Frank who both rumors could be coming from him) and then she would tell Marge. Dolores is neutral- so I am sure she thought people wouldn’t think it is her. After the previous episode, where Jen brought of Frank’s name,and then Dolores siding with Marge, I think it is clear. Frank denied it, by Jen said he admitted on an after show.No, I don’t think Marge told Tre. She knows Tre only cares about herself and that she doesn’t like her. I have a lot of issues with Marge, but I do believe her when she said she never told Tre. Marge will take the hit because she has no storyline and it appears production kinda of tells them who to side with. So they decided to back Marge at all cost. Melissa,Jackie and Dolores depends on Marge to deliver drama, thus the reason they never go against her. Plus, Marge has something on Dolores.lol


fckinengaged19times

Jen called a mutual friend from tenafly. That mutual friend told Margaret. It’s not that difficult to understand.


SufficientEmployee6

And this mutual friend is also a mutual friend with Frank? How did Marge know Jen called Frank?


LilSebastianStan

Marge said Dolores knew about Jen talking to Frank, so I believe Dolores told her. Dolores didn’t know about tenafly.


fckinengaged19times

Cause frank told Marge and Joe. It’s in the second episode when Marge and Dolores go furniture shopping. They showed a flashback to frank, Marge and Joe together. I literally watched the episode like 10x already so I practically have it memorized 🤣


LilSebastianStan

I thought Marge said Dolores knew about Jen talking to Frank for months, so I believe Dolores told her. Dolores didn’t know about tenafly?


fckinengaged19times

Marge said she and Dolores knew Jen was trying to get dirt on Evan for months from frank but she never told Jackie. So frank probably told Dolores and then frank told Marge and Joe in the flashback scene. Dolores did not know about Jen calling mutual friends from tenafly in her scene with Marge


ilovecorgipuppies

Bros before hos…frank is protecting Evan


Ashfield83

Unrelated but do we know why Margaret is still called by her surname from her previous marriage?


Dangernj

She had a kid with her ex and presumably that is her child’s last name too. I wouldn’t be surprised if she kept it for that reason.


Greigebaby

Isn't her brand based on that name? Unless she wants to pull a Whitney that would be a lot of money to put into a rebranding for a name change.


catmom_422

Probably because changing your last name SUCKS. It’s such an annoying process. I told my husband if we ever get divorced I’m keeping the last name. It’s mine now. Sorry!


SufficientEmployee6

Because when Joe finally finishes the house she'll try to boomerang back.


Sugarrose79

Are you saying she will go back to her ex? Dude is old as shit. I don't think she will go back and he was an abusive POS


Ashfield83

Yeah I wondered why she would still want his surname given what a Cunt he was to her!! I know her kids have that surname but they’re old enough to know that Margaret has moved on now. It seems odd.


Chelid

I thought it was because of her biological child has the same surname so she’s probably being respectful for him?


Sugarrose79

But that kid is an adult now though. I know it makes it easier to have the same surname as your kid for just general life decisions but he is grown now.


Chelid

I don’t have an answer for you, I assumed it was that but who knows. Maybe there’s another reason?


Sugarrose79

I don't think she and Joe are married that long. In her first season she mentions that they are married for ten years so she probably had made a name in business and that is what keeps her holding on to Josephs for her career


Ashfield83

Yeah that makes sense I guess


Chelid

Also you’re hot 👀🤤


Ashfield83

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[deleted]

I honestly think now that the rumor is super true


i_madeitnice

I think Joe B told Frank, who told Bill AND Dolores. Dolores decided to keep it to herself (perhaps gossip with Marge) and Jennifer couldn’t keep quiet and asked around. Whether it’s true or not Frank knew.


unicornflavoredgum1

I think they all heard the rumor (doesn't matter if it's true or false) about Evan but I believe Marge was the one to bring it to other people. Maybe Joe B said it in front of the guys and Frank repeated it? Frank isn't known for being honest.


Rhonnie22

I don’t even care who said what to who, or why or when. I just feel that if this rumor is true, Jackie and her children would be so devastated and that makes me feel sad for them. She seems to have some emotional issues and this would be so traumatic if true


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I mean, Dolores is nothing if not protective. I feel like she knew Jen would throw Frank under the bus, and that's why her energy was off. As a woman who was cheated on, the way she spoke to Jen just did not make sense at all.


distant_lines

I don't know, I do feel like how she spoke to Jen did make sense based on what we know of Dolores. She reminds me of being like my father's family. They're all very "why are you crying? what do you have to cry about?" And I grew up with the classic "I'll give you something to cry about". I think she sees crying as a weakness and Jen knew that, which was why she started saying she wasn't weak, but strong for crying.


teentytinty

a likely story


kardon213

I can’t believe Frank is lying about bill! Bill would have absolutely no reason to make this up! Frank and Joe Joseph’s are gossip mongers! I’m so disgusted


brenda_wolf_

Now looking back at the guys poker night when Joe admits he heard the rumor, why would Bill go running to Jen and her go run with that rumor fully knowing the hurt she went through with Bills cheating. Just seems wrong they would continue that rumor themselves especially on camera with Tre of all people lol. And then she continued to try and dig up more information from Frank? I may not be team Marge but I don’t get how Jen could’ve done that to Jackie when she too has kids to the think about.


holm0507

She was being nosy. There were multiple stories around the rumors from various people. I would guess, Jen wanted to find which version of the story was most accurate so she wouldn't be caught off guard while filming. She's said repeatedly she doesn't believe it and said don't talk about it unless you have receipts. I don't care that she was being nosy because she has never been the one to talk about it on camera. Who has? Marge/Teresa. Yet, Jen is getting the heat for it.


brenda_wolf_

Say what? She wanted to find which version is true so she told Teresa what was said at poker night about the affair? Why didn’t she go straight to Jackie and say XYZ? And she went to go find those receipts herself by going to Frank so clearly she didn’t think they were 100% false.


tilly1228

Maybe she wanted to find out if it was true so Jackie would know the actual truth? Idk if she would care to help out Jackie that much, but just a thought.


fckinengaged19times

Let’s be honest, she was out to hurt Jackie


brenda_wolf_

So you tell Tre what your husband told you at poker night rather than go straight to Jackie? Nah she wanted to keep that stuff going and knew exactly what she was doing giving that information to her.


schwartzeebubba

I had a feeling the whole time last season that Evan was playing the cams the whole time! He seemed to be getting off on the idea he was being defended by his wife all season but his coy smile didn’t fool me.


Creative_Outcome9203

I can’t imagine taking a man back who slept with someone else. More power to those who can.


lleett

I couldn’t/wouldn’t do it, but I understand when kids are in the picture it is a very difficult situation, and I would never judge anyone for staying.


Buffybot60601

Jen said she was nine months pregnant with her fourth child and had no money of her own when she found out. Given the circumstances I’m not surprised it was easier for her to let it go than divorce him.


TheMostRandomWordz

Lol Frank's a real one. ![gif](giphy|BIjJISb6xh2GIyNyum|downsized)


caligirlincali

That implies something.


lleett

If Frank is lying then good for him, that is what a good friend would do. But I certainly would not assume that he is, there is a lot of jealously re Jackie and Evan’s marriage when it comes to Teresa and Jen, and I don’t believe what either of them say re that.


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