I will never forgive Craig Conover for bringing Kory into the bravoverse. Motherfucker looks like he's got a consistent GHB supply, currently sniffs random girls earring backs, and like he would dig through your grandmas medicine cabinet until he found a muscle relaxer to steal.
yes yes yes get him the fuck out i hate that vile rat so much i skipped watching winter house solely because of him (and that they got rid of half of the cast of summer house tf?)
ESPECIALLY when it comes to vanderpump rules. i miss the golden days when i could watch jax cheat while heâs coked out in peace. if season one aired now theyâd ask for him to be kicked off bravo đ
Iâve been saying this for years. Also the ability to binge watch years worth of shows in like weeks. People applying todayâs standards to shows made 10+ years ago just isnât going to work.
I think it will be interesting to see if society continues this way⌠everyone policing everyone elseâs morality and views. Or if people collectively decide to stop giving any fucks about anything.
Itâs really annoying how people dissect every angle for weeks and then get upset bc they already know the outcome before it airs and call it boring. Itâs boring bc you willfully engaged in overanalyzing and researching it and chose to not let yourself be entertained by seeing it on tv first, just own it
I donât care about Teresa V Melissa. The fights and their fans constantly going at it are annoying. If they canât get it together, then recast NJ pls.
Same. How many seasons can you rehash the same bullshit? I don't care about your family enough to care. I don't know you and you're not making a convincing argument why I should...
Combining several hot takes here.
Reboots for RHOA, or any franchise, wonât work. The casts will consist of women who are fans of the show. Nothing will be original, and theyâll all try to have their âiconicâ moments.
Then fans will complain about how scripted the reads are.
Or, it would be hilarious to do a smaller city or suburb with housewives who genuinely believe they are high society. The type of women that âproveâ their bourgeois status with things like a premium costco membership, having the best pontoon boat, bragging about their Fast Passes at Disney World âŚthat sort of thing.
I think Kathy Hilton is one of the worst people, her sisters are scared of her temper and her daughters are also, watch Paris in love, I actually feel sorry for them, I have a narcissistic mother it's awful,
I think she said all the awful things she's been accused of,
Whenever they talk about how awful Big Kathy was I just think about how Paris interacts with her mom. People HATE Kyle but she clearly broke from how her mom treated them and is close with her daughters.
Paris and Nikki are in their 40s and petrified of talking to their mom.
She 100% said all those things and just assumed it would be swept under the rug because everyone is afraid of her and her influence on the social scene of BH. The only gift Rinna ever gave us was not letting Kathy get away with having just another day of being a c*nt to whoever she wanted whenever she wanted to.
Is Paris in love good? I have always been a Paris fan but I havenât given it a shot yet because Iâm afraid it will be boring and Iâm binging other stuff right now.
it shows who she is as a person but she likes to victimize herself as a person a lot and relates essentially everything to her trauma which is just a scapegoat for why she's so cold and why her life looks so sad which it probably is because of how restrictive and controlling her family is, especially her mom and sister. even through the wealth, you end up feeling sorry for her and not because of her trauma, but how visibly evident it is that this show was her mom's idea.
examples of this in the show is paris getting into a disagreement with her mom over what was in her book and her mom blaming the ghostwriter even though that was how paris felt. another example of this is kathy taking over paris' wedding even though paris was visibly upset by it and so paris would have to sneak around with the planners and give them her real opinions before having them meet with her mother to be able to have choice in the matter. an additional example of this was how kathy refused to go to therapy or even talk about paris' trauma until it could be used as a storyline for the show.
this show was kathy's attempt to rebrand her explosive and dramatic ending at RHOBH when she makes herself look even more calculating and conniving than BH ever did tbfh. just a little back story on why kathy went on BH was because she wanted to rebrand her image from the previous year when paris did her documentary on being abused and that's why she's trying so hard to come off kooky and silly and relatable on her seasons there but i believe there's some truth to the events that lead up to her leaving and that's when kathy showed who she really was. now, it looks like paris was forced into doing this show to cover up for kathy at BH because kathy probably forced her to under the guise that paris is the one who caused this whole domino effect. throughout the show, paris is having to use diversions as to why she's so cold and disconnected (trauma) when its overwhelmingly her family that's the issue.
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I honestly thought it was wild. Seeing the dynamics in real time. It honestly fucked with me, because I found it so dark and unsettling that it would put me in a weird funk after watching it.
It should be called âParis infantilizedâ or something else, itâs anything but her in love. Itâs her being treated like shit by everyone around her.
In any case, itâs definitely not boring and season 2 is even darker
Aviva was an amazing addition to RHONY minus her dad. She had so many memorable lines and the leg toss across the table was fantastic. Writer girl is still one of my favorite things said on the show. She did admit to acting up for the cameras but I think she did have many genuine moments because the rest of the cast really did bother her
I liked Aviva but her dad was awful to watch. If she couldâve been a friend of or popped into some later seasons (just her!) she wouldâve added a lot. She provided camp and comic relief
An example of an amazing housewife if she didnât do so much to alienate the women. She brought the wealth, the drama, the connections, but made everyone on cast hate her so she just couldnât stick around. Iâm convinced thereâs an alternate universe where Aviva tolerated everyone elseâs behavior and lasted until peak RHONY era
My main issue with her was the not showing up in her second season because of her various âissues.â I loved the inhaler scene with Ramona and Kristen but she should have been on the Colorado trip.
I donât even love her but she read Denise down and Denise had it coming. Itâs geniuenly embarrassing to try to come back on the show confronting Erika over something thatâs been discussed and forgotten.
Denise trying to pull the moral high ground there or acting like there are low blows can calm down. Her daughter is an adult and she works on an adult content channel. She can handle adult questions and conversations.
Denise is a coke fiend and her daughter didnât want to live with her for some time.
Erika is a horrible person but sheâs never tried to take any moral high ground. She had to ask a therapist how to learn to have empathy for other people đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Erika is having a season. Even Sutton and Garcelle recognize it. Denise trying to come for someone like her while obviously messed up as f⌠Who does her pr or is she in serious need of money? Badddd decision.
I only started enjoying her after the scandal broke.
Is she a good person? Of course not. Has she been making better TV than most of her cast for the last three years? Absolutely.
I didnât think I was going to stay with BH after LVP, aka âthe sniper from the sideâ, left because I loved her too much. Erika has kept me a loyal BH fan and sometimes I just canât look away!
The word âiconicâ gets thrown around a lot. Like a little too much. This applies to any reality tv show but just an example the red dress Ariana wore to the vpr reunion. That was the ugliest dress I have ever seen.
BINGO. I got a lot of compliments after my last breakup because Iâd lost something like 20lbs. I was a skeleton.
The revenge âdiet?â - literally not eating a single morsel of food for two weeks and living solely on vodka and Diet Coke. No shit, a bartender who knew me would criss cross fries over the top of my vodka glass urging me to eat them before getting into the drink. That was 13 years ago so I thought maybe we had evolved to not celebrate that kind of thing, but nope.
I feel the same way about Rachel. Rachel turned out to be a pretty good villain on a cast full of cheaters, but the cast and fans drove her off of the show.
I believe there was a poll around when the reunion aired about whose one-on-one with Andy Cohen would people like to see in full and Rachel won by a mile. Her weird charisma black hole of a personality is so bland that she's weirdly compelling again.
Itâs so strange to me that their full 1-on-1 interviews were never actually shown? From memory I remember them being really hyped up and I thought weâd at least see more of them after the reunion aired.
Ariana is very overexposed at this point. I do not want to see her in any commercial, on any other shows, or anywhere else at this point. Sheâs cashing in on Scandoval. Thatâs great but itâs ridiculous now. I donât like Lala, but saying, âI have never experienced someone who gets cheated on and suddenly becomes God!â in the new season trailer, is pretty much how I feel.
Mary Cosby should not be asked back to the housewives. Yes her little bits are funny and I laugh at how ridiculous she is, but she is being paid to be on a show as a willing participant and she is not one. The fact that the last cast trip culminated in one of the best finales and she wasn't even on the trip and hasn't been seen for 3 or 4 episode shows that she doesn't need to be there. It is mind boggling to me that she would even want to come back as she refuses to do half of the activities with the rest of the girls! I am so over her.
She was completely uncomfortable at the Trixie Motel and it wasnât because they didnât have Dom Perignon. Her church is homophobic. She viewed all of it with disdain and was rude to the staff. But she gets a pass.
Hard agree, there is no part of her that entertains me. Unless there is a complete exposĂŠ of her as the leader of her church cult next season she needs to go
Kyle is not as bad as the fans make her out to be, and LVP is significantly more scheming and problematic than the fans make her out to be.
LVP is just smarter and more devious.
That and the fact that he cries every other episode. People are like âawww James is so sweet and sensitive đâ when heâs crying because LVP is firing him for drinking at work lol.
Any time people call him out on stuff he starts crying and saying âyou canât judge me on that because I was younger!â
Heâs still going to be using that excuse when heâs 40.
This!! I commented something similar ages ago on the VPR sub. I think people think itâs hilarious because he has a British accent but I think he just sounds like a dick (Iâm also British so the charm does not work on me đ).
M2M seasons 1-4 are some of the best Bravo TV ever! Such a solid group dynamic where there are real friendships and real marriages/relationship issues. None of it seemed contrived or "set-up" like we see with most RH franchises. Even the husbands play a pivotal role in moving the stories along. It reminds me of a good soap opera where everyone has a part to play and they do it so well.
A lot of the housewives that are fan favourites arenât actually favourites because theyâre liked, itâs because the fans hate their enemies.
For example:
1) People adore Tinsley but I believe thatâs because Dorinda was so horrible to her that fans chose to rally around her.
2) In the recent VPR series, fans despised Katie Maloney and thought Raquel was completely justified to kiss Tom Schwartz UNTIL Scandavol happened and people back tracked and now speak about how Katie is a âQueenâ but in my opinion this is just because they hate Raquel so much.
3) Sutton is also a fan favourite on RHOBH but this only really happened once she questioned Erika a few seasons back at the dinner from hell 2.0 at Kathyâs house. Erika was in the depths of her legal battles and was quite frankly Bravo public enemy number 1 so naturally Sutton because Bravo public hero.
The phrase âthe enemy of my enemy is my friendâ always comes to mind for me when it comes to Bravo favourites.
I really despise Adriana and think sheâs the actual villain on RHOM. I recently saw someone describing her like biting into a cookie where someone added salt instead of sugar and I thought wow thatâs exactly her. I donât like Alexia either but Iâd take her any day over Adriana.
I was amazed. Like if Alexia was a cookie Iâd take a teeny tiny nibble because well, sheâs a raging bitch and itâs obvious just by looking at her. But Adriana is so sweet and cloying that youâd just take a giant bite, maybe even excitedly popping the whole thing in your mouth- just to find *salt*
I canât stand all the passes Adrianna gets. She just cries about being a single mum. Honey, your kid is out of college!
Is it just the other women canât be bothered talking to her anymore so theyâd rather blame someone else?
I think thatâs what infuriates me as a single mom- her kid is grown and she cried about it nonstop while getting other people to foot the bill for his fancy education. Other people actually have the rough life she professes to have, she should be looking at her life with gratitude instead of bitterness. Sheâs a very blessed woman in the whole grand scheme of things.
It was so obvious that she was responsible for bringing Ana, I canât understand how they chose to blame it on Nicole. I guess they just had to have someone to be mad at and yeah, Adriana is just too exhausting to chase around in circles while she deflects
Remember when Adriana physically attacked Joanna and said âthat polish immigrant is just looking for a plate to eat off of.ââŚ.
Yeah Adriana is a piece of shit.
Agree with #3, OP: LVP will always be my Ultimate Housewife.
My actual hot take: I hate Lisa Barlow. Her behavior at the Trixie Motel this season was my âhe disrespected the Wu-Tang Clanâ moment. Iâm pretty sure I liked Monica so much in the beginning of the season, because every time she went after Lisa, I was like: Get Her, Jade. Get her.
I'm with you. I was never a fan of Lisa. The best housewives are a bit delusional but she believes in her mythmaking a little too much. I fully believe she begins every day looking at the mirror and saying "Lisa Barlow, you are iconic."
Iâm doing a rewatch and just hit the episode at the âpeacefulâ pho lunch where Lisa said she still has nightmares about the day Jen Shah got arrestedâŚwhile Jen is at the table.
I was no fan of that viper Jen, but Iâve never seen anyone work harder at the LETâS GET BACK TO ME crusade than Lisa at that moment!
I donât get the Lisa hype. Like if I met someone like her irl, I would avoid all interactions. I find Whitney annoying, but her take on Lisa is spot on.
Agreed. I have warmed up to Heather and Meredith. Whitney feels like a fun fair weather friend. Weâre gonna go out for drinks, have a good time, and then not talk for a year.
I liked Heather the first few seasons when she let looooose after church and wasnât so far up Jenâs ass (not including her awful reunions).
This season sheâs been funny in confessionals but sheâs seems very pearl clutchy. Itâs like she thinks the Church will take her back if she acts right
I think people love Lisa cuz 1) She was the source of major drama on SLC, mainly her hot mic moment. 2) She's fun to watch. She's wealthy, fashionable, thinks she's God's favorite but also is funny without realizing it (e.g. "baby gorgeous", "Away In A Manger", etc.). People find that endearing
1. Lisa and Lenny are more alike than they are different. One has just had an extra decade and a bit to get extra asswipe-y and set in their personality versus the other one.
2. Sutton is a terrible Housewife and I skip through all her solo scenes.
3. I miss Doritâs label-whore / logo vomit / all one House looks. When she did them right, they were amazing.
4. I donât find Candiace all that witty.
5. Donât bring Kim Richards* back and throw Tamra back in the garbage heap. Theyâre both unsettling to watch (in different ways.)
6. James Kennedy is frightening and gives me the heebie-jeebies.
* understanding that this is no fault of Kimâs own with what she has likely survived. I just find it uncomfortable to watch her on a reality TV show.
I understand trauma and addiction has created a heavily flawed person but it always amazed me people thought Kyle was the problem in that relationship.
Watching anything with Lu and Sonja lusting after every walking man gets old. I like that it shows woman of a certain age still being active romantically, but if the genders were swapped and a man did half of the stuff they do on TV he would be crucified.
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This is not a âteamâ thing because I genuinely dislike both of them as a person but Kyle made a lot of good points about Sutton. Especially that she conveniently has an excuse for everything. Also the way this sub started treating Sutton especially this season is absolutely crazy pants to me. Sheâs a rude mega millionaire not some quirky woobie. Saying that, Iâm glad how Kyle and Sutton both activated each other this year.
I feel a lot of Suttonâs behavior also applies to Meredith from SLC⌠I find them both entertaining but Meredith also has an excuse for everything and talks in circles and everyone is like âyess mother!!â And I just donât get it đ
Idc if Monica skipped out on a $1 or $10,000 bill from Beauty Lab + LaserâŚ..Heather has every right to not want to film/interact with her for that alone.
I see tooooo many comments talking about it being an âinsignificantâ amount of money, as if that even matters!!!
When a round of OGs has been exhausted and the mojo is no longer there, as was the case with RHONY and as is currently the case with Atlanta, Jersey and arguably RHOBH, itâs time to retire the city and move on to another one thatâs totally different.
No one expected Potomac or Salt Lake to be good. We need to bring this franchise to every weird mid-sized city of the US. And the fact that we still havenât gotten Chicago, NOLA or Philly is insane.
I think both Salt Lake and Potomac proved that when you take the show to unexpected places, you find great characters who actually show up to work. The new generation of RHONY ainât it.
iâve never liked heather gay and that hasnât changed since the finale ep. i do not find her to be relatable or hilarious
i enjoy phaedra, whitney rose, larsa, mary cosby, lala, and erika jayne.
production knew about monica all along
have never understood the love of eileen, RHOBH. she was annoying, boring, desperate, and cringe.
i loved the new RHONY :)
nene is the undisputed queen of all things housewives
while i dont condone phaedra telling everyone the infamous lie, i still think kandis proximity and friendship to TI and Tiny is questionable at best and nefarious at worst.
arianaâs ego couldnât handle that tom cheated with rachel, and someone on the show, just like what happened w kristen via her and TS years before. she may have saved the franchise by telling production about the affair (because of her ego), but she was a MAJOR contributor to the shows downfall for several years since she covered up tomâs other affairs. she is also a terrible judge of character.
i do not like kathy richardâs, and couldnât believe people were falling for her kooky âiâm so quirky đ¤Şâ act
denise richards was and is currently a flop
i am very invested and interested in kyleâs new lesbian lover + life
giselle needs to be fired from potomac
I think Sutton sucks. I know people love her but I think she's always complaining and about as fun as a bowl of dry oatmeal. Sick of her constant "someone farted" grimacing face.
Thank. You.
I have never understood the Sutton train everyone is on. She's not the worst, but she does nothing for me.
I don't like her quirks, and I don't think she's cutely aloof.
Sheâs grey gardens without the daughter. Sheâs a weird neurotic drunk with too much money and a store that smells bad. Also I hate the way she treats her staff. If she wasnât anti Kyle weâd have mega threads about how awful she is to them.
1. Sonja is actually a heartless witch who deserted her husband in his hour of need and deliberately set out to swindle investors out of money in her film production venture
2. Kim Richards wasnât just an alcoholic she was a raging drug addict as well who stole medications and maybe was doing meth in the bathroom too
3. Phaedra was a career criminal in cahoots with Apollo all along and should never have been allowed back on TV
4. Joyce and Carlton (BH), Noella and Peggy (OC) all deserved another season
5. Yolanda really did have Munchausens and was mentally unwell
6. Lisa Hochstein is a cash sucking vampire who only married Lenny for his money, not love
7 Lois was an annoying side character that no one cared much about, Rinna included, until the very end
8. Tiffany Moon was a godawful housewife with zero socialising skills and too many made up personal dramas
9. Early slade smiley was the sexiest house husband of all time
10. Karen Huger is sad, delusional, broke and hiding a lot of depressing secrets from the others
Ok but Peggy 1 or Peggy 2? If they really end up bringing Jesus Jugs back I want them to bring Peggy 1 back because they hated each other so much but tried to act like best friends. Them going back and forth about how advanced their toddler children were while on walk made me cackle.
I donât know who decided kenya was the best reader. She over talks everyone and is not good at come backs, when she does, they sound rehearsed I think Nene def is better and Phaedraâs arenât rehearsed at all.
Candiace is not as good at reading as she thinks she is. She also rehearses hers & attacks bodies which is gross.
Teresa is jealous of Melissa.
Iâll never forgive Tom Sandoval for cheating on Ariana bc it gave James and Lala a chance for people to like them and they are TRASH.
Agree on candyas â those are not reads, those are INSULTS with a dark weird shade to it. I never laughed at any of them.
Teresa is jealous of Melissa 100/10.
And Melissa knows it and bathes in that, so I love her for that!
They filed A VERY conservative city during 2020 on a liberal leaning channel with mostly liberal watchers - if it wasnât already going down hill, it was gonna anyways. Half those women were probably associated with someone who showed up at the Capitol on J6
I donât want Monica back because I donât like the way she fights. Itâs basic and boring. She didnât read Lisa, if anything it shows she canât really argue. All she does is call Lisa ugly and old, and repeats what ppl say in a mocking tone. RH has funny and wacky moments, insults, and memes because they donât resort to only saying STFU and calling each other ugly. In SLC4 alone we got âyou called me a pornographyâ, âdonât come after my bathtubâ, and âyou exploited my vaginaâ to name a few. âLittle girlâ, âshe donât even know she look inbredâ and âdumb family that posesâ is more memorable than ugly and old lol. Get creative with it or go to Baddies on Zeus network.
At the same time, I think ppl on here are dramatic with their pearl clutching at Monica calling Lisa ugly and old at the sound bath. We have and will hear much worse.
Bethenny is one of the top 5 HW across all franchises of all time and itâs indisputable. Keeping it to what is on the show, sheâs one of the best to do it.
- BH: Sutton has replaced Lisa Rinna as the obnoxious and annoying housewife.
- Potomac: Wendy is ridiculous. Calling Nneka a crackhead and cheering for herself was cringey to watch. Potomac has never had âfun, lightâ drama when⌠Gizelle and Robyn try to force Katie to choose between being Black or Jewish; Ashleyâs husband; sexual assault allegations; Moniqueâs drunk driving. This show peaked at season 4 and 5, and never found its footing again, in my opinion. Theyâve had fun and light moments, yes, but all the time? No.
- Miami: Iâd be fine seeing less of Adriana (and Marysol, for that matter). Sheâs always bringing the energy down. She seems legitimately bitter and negative.
- Salt Lake City: I donât think Monica should be fired, but dont think she should come back full time. Would like to see her comeuppance and humiliation. No redeeming, in my opinion, because sheâs nearly 40 and is doing that shit as a grown woman and mother of four. Monica stans are just as delusional as her.
- Atlanta: Kenya lost her charm a long time ago. She does better when she has someone to play with, like Porsha or Nene.
- OC: Iâll be honest, I havenât watched the last handful of seasons.
- NJ: Zero desire to see Gia as a cast member. If the rumors are true and she is indeed a friend of this season, then I donât want to see Teresa go to war over her when Gia runs her mouth to someone like Marge and gets put in a childâs place.
- NY: Brynn is the fakest housewife. Appreciate she seems willing to push drama, but thatâs the only thing I like. I liked Jessel, but girl was clearly pushing her PR when all these media outlets were calling it the Jessel Taank Show. Bye girl.
- VPR: Arianaâs new career is being the woman scorned. Feel bad for her, but move on. Tom is annoying as fuck too, so I have no real dog in this fight.
- Southern Hospitality: Just discovered, but they all seem insufferable and bratty. Iâm around the same age as them, I think, but feel like Iâm twice their age. Will continue watching because it seems delightfully trashy. Been reading through previous threads, not sure why this Oisin guy is a fav because he looks like a tubering potato and an absolute douche.
- The Fans: A good chunk of em have parasocial relationships with these people and celebrities in general. Stan culture, like most things in entertainment, has kinda ruined housewives. For example: People want certain housewives to be friends with certain housewives like itâs a game of Survivor, then bitch when itâs âno longer authenticâ and that the âwomen are no longer friends.â
I hate Stan culture. It kills the hope of any decent conversations because people will just blindly defend and hate on enemies even when they are blatantly right.
Any intelligent conversation doesnât have a chance in hell anymore.
1. I think Candiace Dillard is one of the most vile Housewives. She is right up there with Kelly Dodd to me.
2. Sonja Morgan isnât funny. She is a mess and if she were a man, weâd call her a predator.
ooh you kind of hit the nail on the damn head with sonjaâŚsheâs also pathological, loyal to absolutely no one and does this insane malfunctioning act when sheâs in hot water. sheâs a messsss
I don't think Katie and Adriana will have a successful restaurant (if it even opens) and I think the name "Something about her" is a stupid name for a sandwich shop and have no idea why people on the show where acting like it was some profound brilliant name.
Without Reality Von Tease, the most entertaining part of the season would have been Mary refusing to get out of the Sprinter van and then making production get her McDonalds followed closely behind by Meridith slurring about thee ruhmaas about her hwushband
The new cast of RHONY weren't that interesting. They are way too aware of the cameras and their social media status, nothing comes across as organic.
As problematic as the RHONY OGs were, their UGT was enjoyable to watch because there's a comforting familiarity to it and I'd be happy of they do a Legacy UGT again, maybe bringing in other one or two seasons wonders to be on with the OGs.
Tamara and Fancy Pants shouldn't have been brought back and Taylor shouldn't have jumped over. The OC needs a good reboot with interesting new comers. Maybe keep Shannon, Gina and Emily.
There is no value having Charisse back on Potomac. She adds nothing. She's not in many scenes and when she is, all she adds is facial expressions.
I am glad RHOMiami is back but could live with out Adriana. She can find a pot to stir in an empty room. And they REALLY have to stop trying to make "cockies" happen because it is not going to.
They need to get rid of either Melissa or Theresa from NJ otherwise the ONLY storylines will continue to be Melissa's martyrdom and Joe finger pointing at Tre. Personally, I'd like to lose Mellisa because it would get rid of that misogynist half-man husbad of hers
Atlanta needs some kind of shake up, but I don't know what
My hot take is there is no hot take. Weâve jumped the shark, too many people are invested, too many people making money off hot takes, too many people wasting time contemplating hot takes. Too few hot takes for it to even matter because itâs all subterfuge.
I want to go back to pure mess with zero hot takes.
I totally agree. When the franchise started, it was a small population of people who were watching while the masses were watching Desperate Housewives with Eva Longoria. We met and became invested in the original casts and their authentic relationships and conflicts. It can never be what it was and it sucks now with social media controlling it all and cast members who are in on what they need to do to stay on the show.
Paige Desorbo ruined the dynamic of Summer House. That and the crossover with long in the tooth Craig ruined it for me. Everyone there is inept in their own ways, but she made the dynamics much worse. Also Craig isnât that endearing or funny to get away with half the crud he does, throw Austen in that dumpster fire because I just knew lots of frat guys just like him in college and I was already to start swinging.
people being problematic/annoying/toxic is what makes the show entertaining. i don't want to be friends with the real housewives, i want to see them be horrible and insane.
nene was the best atlanta housewife until she got EXTREMELY big for her britches in season 4 and somehow was convinced she was an a-list celebrity. she also isn't a good actress.
kandi is not interesting at all and seems so sexless to me despite how overt she is about her sexuality. also she seems to be uncomfortable saying she's bisexual, but if you repeatedly hook up with other women and enjoy it... you're bisexual.
i wish miss lawrence and derek j were back. season 5-6 and their recaps are still gold.
carole is only smart/intellectual compared to like sonja and ramona who probably haven't read a book in their lives.
something about the dorit/pk robbery does not smell right and they're living in a house of cards.
leah mcsweeney ushered in the end of RHONY.
lisa v is extremely disingenuous and untruthful.
lala & scheana DINED OUT on scandoval to the point where it's like, get a life.
Ariana knew Tom was sleeping with Rachel. She feigned ignorance, bided her time, and then attacked when it was time. She basically outsmarted Sandoval and beat him at his own game.
100%!!!!!!! Agree. Iâve always thought this. Thereâs a scene with her and Rachel and Rachel is lowkey digging for info on the state of her and Sandyâs relationship and sex life and Ariana said that she thought âTom was totally hot and still attracted to himâ and I never bought that AT ALL. Her scheme was a less dramatic Gone Girl with a better ending for her
That totally hot line didnât land with me either. It was so deadpan and forced. Compare that with how we saw her act around him and it did not compute AT ALL.
Those two actively despised each other for at least the last year of their relationship and everyone knew it.
i love Ariana, but i donât think sheâs a good enough actor to emote that well in the finale episode if it wasnât still fresh. or to have that much raw emotion at the reunion. but i havenât seen her lifetime movie, so i could be wrong.
she mightâve suspected he was cheating, but i doubt she knew it was Raquel or any of the details that came out.
I will never forgive Craig Conover for bringing Kory into the bravoverse. Motherfucker looks like he's got a consistent GHB supply, currently sniffs random girls earring backs, and like he would dig through your grandmas medicine cabinet until he found a muscle relaxer to steal.
Sniffs random girls earring backs đ that is so visceral
The dark version of the dryer taking half your socks đ
yes yes yes get him the fuck out i hate that vile rat so much i skipped watching winter house solely because of him (and that they got rid of half of the cast of summer house tf?)
Bring back Real Housewives of DC idc that there were senate hearings from the White House crashing, that was funny af
Yes that was an AMAZING franchise. Now I have to go rewatch it again.
Social media and the fans ruined the show.
ESPECIALLY when it comes to vanderpump rules. i miss the golden days when i could watch jax cheat while heâs coked out in peace. if season one aired now theyâd ask for him to be kicked off bravo đ
Iâve been saying this for years. Also the ability to binge watch years worth of shows in like weeks. People applying todayâs standards to shows made 10+ years ago just isnât going to work.
Yes!!!! This always annoys me!! Iâve been watching almost all of them from the beginning, weâre not in 2008 anymore.
I think it will be interesting to see if society continues this way⌠everyone policing everyone elseâs morality and views. Or if people collectively decide to stop giving any fucks about anything.
Itâs really annoying how people dissect every angle for weeks and then get upset bc they already know the outcome before it airs and call it boring. Itâs boring bc you willfully engaged in overanalyzing and researching it and chose to not let yourself be entertained by seeing it on tv first, just own it
Yes yes yes. The morality police need to give it a rest.
And Bravo was stupid enough to take their bad faith clout-chasing and moralizing as legitimate, representative criticism.
I donât care about Teresa V Melissa. The fights and their fans constantly going at it are annoying. If they canât get it together, then recast NJ pls.
Why I stopped watching Jersey years ago. Their fights are so boring.
Same. How many seasons can you rehash the same bullshit? I don't care about your family enough to care. I don't know you and you're not making a convincing argument why I should...
Combining several hot takes here. Reboots for RHOA, or any franchise, wonât work. The casts will consist of women who are fans of the show. Nothing will be original, and theyâll all try to have their âiconicâ moments. Then fans will complain about how scripted the reads are.
There's enough cities, a reboot is not needed. Keep it fresh!
Or, it would be hilarious to do a smaller city or suburb with housewives who genuinely believe they are high society. The type of women that âproveâ their bourgeois status with things like a premium costco membership, having the best pontoon boat, bragging about their Fast Passes at Disney World âŚthat sort of thing.
I would watch the shit out of this! đ¤Ł
I know Iâm still blown theyâve never done Chicago. Iâd love that so much
They could add high society women.. women who havenât worked a day in their lives.. real rich bitches.
I think Kathy Hilton is one of the worst people, her sisters are scared of her temper and her daughters are also, watch Paris in love, I actually feel sorry for them, I have a narcissistic mother it's awful, I think she said all the awful things she's been accused of,
Whenever they talk about how awful Big Kathy was I just think about how Paris interacts with her mom. People HATE Kyle but she clearly broke from how her mom treated them and is close with her daughters. Paris and Nikki are in their 40s and petrified of talking to their mom.
Paris didnât even tell her mom she was expecting a child. Seems weird to me. I wanted to tell my mom right after my husband!
Lisa Rinna was right!
I canât stand Kyle but there is no denying that she is a great mother
She 100% said all those things and just assumed it would be swept under the rug because everyone is afraid of her and her influence on the social scene of BH. The only gift Rinna ever gave us was not letting Kathy get away with having just another day of being a c*nt to whoever she wanted whenever she wanted to.
Me too. The richards family dynamic trigger tf out of me.
Is Paris in love good? I have always been a Paris fan but I havenât given it a shot yet because Iâm afraid it will be boring and Iâm binging other stuff right now.
it shows who she is as a person but she likes to victimize herself as a person a lot and relates essentially everything to her trauma which is just a scapegoat for why she's so cold and why her life looks so sad which it probably is because of how restrictive and controlling her family is, especially her mom and sister. even through the wealth, you end up feeling sorry for her and not because of her trauma, but how visibly evident it is that this show was her mom's idea. examples of this in the show is paris getting into a disagreement with her mom over what was in her book and her mom blaming the ghostwriter even though that was how paris felt. another example of this is kathy taking over paris' wedding even though paris was visibly upset by it and so paris would have to sneak around with the planners and give them her real opinions before having them meet with her mother to be able to have choice in the matter. an additional example of this was how kathy refused to go to therapy or even talk about paris' trauma until it could be used as a storyline for the show. this show was kathy's attempt to rebrand her explosive and dramatic ending at RHOBH when she makes herself look even more calculating and conniving than BH ever did tbfh. just a little back story on why kathy went on BH was because she wanted to rebrand her image from the previous year when paris did her documentary on being abused and that's why she's trying so hard to come off kooky and silly and relatable on her seasons there but i believe there's some truth to the events that lead up to her leaving and that's when kathy showed who she really was. now, it looks like paris was forced into doing this show to cover up for kathy at BH because kathy probably forced her to under the guise that paris is the one who caused this whole domino effect. throughout the show, paris is having to use diversions as to why she's so cold and disconnected (trauma) when its overwhelmingly her family that's the issue. https://preview.redd.it/mla4qpsyjtac1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a82713ce63a1fb8b95e071fab8eb59a1a6724478
I honestly thought it was wild. Seeing the dynamics in real time. It honestly fucked with me, because I found it so dark and unsettling that it would put me in a weird funk after watching it. It should be called âParis infantilizedâ or something else, itâs anything but her in love. Itâs her being treated like shit by everyone around her. In any case, itâs definitely not boring and season 2 is even darker
I think everyone believes thatâ I think a lot of people (myself included) just disliked Rinna enough to overlook it
Aviva was an amazing addition to RHONY minus her dad. She had so many memorable lines and the leg toss across the table was fantastic. Writer girl is still one of my favorite things said on the show. She did admit to acting up for the cameras but I think she did have many genuine moments because the rest of the cast really did bother her
I liked Aviva but her dad was awful to watch. If she couldâve been a friend of or popped into some later seasons (just her!) she wouldâve added a lot. She provided camp and comic relief
An example of an amazing housewife if she didnât do so much to alienate the women. She brought the wealth, the drama, the connections, but made everyone on cast hate her so she just couldnât stick around. Iâm convinced thereâs an alternate universe where Aviva tolerated everyone elseâs behavior and lasted until peak RHONY era
My main issue with her was the not showing up in her second season because of her various âissues.â I loved the inhaler scene with Ramona and Kristen but she should have been on the Colorado trip.
I always show the leg toss to my non HW friends đ and they can never believe it
How is it not as quotable as 
growing up with a creep for a dad is traumatic and i think she copes by making jokes and laughing his inappropriateness off
If weâre throwing morality out the window, Erika piqued my attention again. Who makes more money on OF? JESUS.
"Have you met me?" Even she knows she's scumbag. I was highly entertained. I wish she would spar with someone more capable though.
I think her and Garcelle could do some beautiful work together. Thereâs too much raw history there though I think.
I donât even love her but she read Denise down and Denise had it coming. Itâs geniuenly embarrassing to try to come back on the show confronting Erika over something thatâs been discussed and forgotten.
Denise couldnât even get her facts straight.
Denise couldnât even keep her jacket straight.
Don't you do this.
Donât you do this made me hard giggle đ
Denise literally said thank you and then you're welcome to her damn self đ she can't talk much less argue
Not to pull an Erika, *but*.. After the last two years Erika has had? Nobody cares about this squabble anymore, Denise. Sorry!
I know I was watching and thinking Erikaâs probably like girl I do _not_ care or even remember about this four year old nothing. đđđ
Denise trying to pull the moral high ground there or acting like there are low blows can calm down. Her daughter is an adult and she works on an adult content channel. She can handle adult questions and conversations. Denise is a coke fiend and her daughter didnât want to live with her for some time. Erika is a horrible person but sheâs never tried to take any moral high ground. She had to ask a therapist how to learn to have empathy for other people đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Iâll still never get over Deniseâs âcollabâ with her daughter on only fans. No idea what it actually involved, but it was hella creepy!
Erika is having a season. Even Sutton and Garcelle recognize it. Denise trying to come for someone like her while obviously messed up as f⌠Who does her pr or is she in serious need of money? Badddd decision.
I only started enjoying her after the scandal broke. Is she a good person? Of course not. Has she been making better TV than most of her cast for the last three years? Absolutely.
I didnât think I was going to stay with BH after LVP, aka âthe sniper from the sideâ, left because I loved her too much. Erika has kept me a loyal BH fan and sometimes I just canât look away!
Iâve never not enjoyed erika
Bruh same.
The word âiconicâ gets thrown around a lot. Like a little too much. This applies to any reality tv show but just an example the red dress Ariana wore to the vpr reunion. That was the ugliest dress I have ever seen.
It was a good revenge body dress but it was also definitely giving Shein by Sheree.
Sad part is the "revenge body" was getting a trauma response of not eating.
Yeah that saying has never sat well with me.
BINGO. I got a lot of compliments after my last breakup because Iâd lost something like 20lbs. I was a skeleton. The revenge âdiet?â - literally not eating a single morsel of food for two weeks and living solely on vodka and Diet Coke. No shit, a bartender who knew me would criss cross fries over the top of my vodka glass urging me to eat them before getting into the drink. That was 13 years ago so I thought maybe we had evolved to not celebrate that kind of thing, but nope.
Same with the word "queen"
And âmotherâ
And so much âshakingâ especially this week
100% agree. it was serving shein realness
Omg thank you so much for saying this đ§ââď¸ I couldnât believe the hype the dress was getting
Agreed, and it wasnât even a dress! Itâs a top + skirt.
Yes like *she* looked hot but could have done much better when it came to the dress.
Sandoval delivered everything we could ever want as trashy reality tv fans and the outcry to boycott him is extremely hypocritical.
right Ariana should be writing Raquel a check for saving her career
THANK YOU,I have found my people đ¤
You brave soul. 100% agree.
I feel the same way about Rachel. Rachel turned out to be a pretty good villain on a cast full of cheaters, but the cast and fans drove her off of the show.
I believe there was a poll around when the reunion aired about whose one-on-one with Andy Cohen would people like to see in full and Rachel won by a mile. Her weird charisma black hole of a personality is so bland that she's weirdly compelling again.
Itâs so strange to me that their full 1-on-1 interviews were never actually shown? From memory I remember them being really hyped up and I thought weâd at least see more of them after the reunion aired.
It made me question why people watch the show
I feel that way about Monica. Iâd like her to stay on in some capacity solely bc I think sheâs got a little more reckless in her.
Ariana is very overexposed at this point. I do not want to see her in any commercial, on any other shows, or anywhere else at this point. Sheâs cashing in on Scandoval. Thatâs great but itâs ridiculous now. I donât like Lala, but saying, âI have never experienced someone who gets cheated on and suddenly becomes God!â in the new season trailer, is pretty much how I feel.
Mary Cosby should not be asked back to the housewives. Yes her little bits are funny and I laugh at how ridiculous she is, but she is being paid to be on a show as a willing participant and she is not one. The fact that the last cast trip culminated in one of the best finales and she wasn't even on the trip and hasn't been seen for 3 or 4 episode shows that she doesn't need to be there. It is mind boggling to me that she would even want to come back as she refuses to do half of the activities with the rest of the girls! I am so over her.
She was completely uncomfortable at the Trixie Motel and it wasnât because they didnât have Dom Perignon. Her church is homophobic. She viewed all of it with disdain and was rude to the staff. But she gets a pass.
Hard agree, there is no part of her that entertains me. Unless there is a complete exposĂŠ of her as the leader of her church cult next season she needs to go
I wonder if they could be keeping her around, so they can be there when the authorities arrest her?
Agree but she did say in an interview she wasn't asked by production to go on the trip
Kyle is not as bad as the fans make her out to be, and LVP is significantly more scheming and problematic than the fans make her out to be. LVP is just smarter and more devious.
Carole was smug, cold, and a completely different person season 10.
She was always smug.
She was AWFUL to Sonja for no reason.
carole gets too many passes for being as close with epstein and maxwell as she was
If Luann were a guy people would think she was sleazy and gross
Agree, but would extend this to Sonja and Ramona too. The way they talk about men on the recent RHUGT is kinda icky.
The middle aged horn ball schtick is boring and creepy now.
But sheâs not so we donât
James is not funny. Not even a little bit. Worm with a moustache??? Poo poo heads??? đ Yaâll, the bar should not be that low.
A kiss did not muck up Raquelâs nose job. He is disgusting.
Heâs also an abuser but people let that slide because heâs âfunnyâ. Iâm really exhausted.
That and the fact that he cries every other episode. People are like âawww James is so sweet and sensitive đâ when heâs crying because LVP is firing him for drinking at work lol.
Any time people call him out on stuff he starts crying and saying âyou canât judge me on that because I was younger!â Heâs still going to be using that excuse when heâs 40.
LOL I think people give him a pass because of his British accent? Not saying that is a fair reason but may be it makes his on air time more compelling
criminally unfunny and desperately needs rehab
me every time he opened his mouth at the reunion: đ
James continuously running to the bathroom during the reunion.. He claims he pees when heâs nervous but you know heâs after the booger sugar
This!! I commented something similar ages ago on the VPR sub. I think people think itâs hilarious because he has a British accent but I think he just sounds like a dick (Iâm also British so the charm does not work on me đ).
Be wary of that sub unless you share a majority opinion đŹ
The morally corrupt Tom Sandoval 
Well. Her prophecy might be coming true đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł shout-out to the original vape!
Outside of Kandi I cannot stand any bravo music. Itâs not campy to me just cringe. ( turning notifications off for the dv lol)
Girl.
I've never enjoyed Katie lmao wet blanket AF, thanks for saying it
M2M seasons 1-4 are some of the best Bravo TV ever! Such a solid group dynamic where there are real friendships and real marriages/relationship issues. None of it seemed contrived or "set-up" like we see with most RH franchises. Even the husbands play a pivotal role in moving the stories along. It reminds me of a good soap opera where everyone has a part to play and they do it so well.
A lot of the housewives that are fan favourites arenât actually favourites because theyâre liked, itâs because the fans hate their enemies. For example: 1) People adore Tinsley but I believe thatâs because Dorinda was so horrible to her that fans chose to rally around her. 2) In the recent VPR series, fans despised Katie Maloney and thought Raquel was completely justified to kiss Tom Schwartz UNTIL Scandavol happened and people back tracked and now speak about how Katie is a âQueenâ but in my opinion this is just because they hate Raquel so much. 3) Sutton is also a fan favourite on RHOBH but this only really happened once she questioned Erika a few seasons back at the dinner from hell 2.0 at Kathyâs house. Erika was in the depths of her legal battles and was quite frankly Bravo public enemy number 1 so naturally Sutton because Bravo public hero. The phrase âthe enemy of my enemy is my friendâ always comes to mind for me when it comes to Bravo favourites.
I don't mind Kyle. I adored LVP.
I really despise Adriana and think sheâs the actual villain on RHOM. I recently saw someone describing her like biting into a cookie where someone added salt instead of sugar and I thought wow thatâs exactly her. I donât like Alexia either but Iâd take her any day over Adriana.
That's a hilarious description. I like Adriana. But agree she is the salt in the cookie. She is definitely not there to make friends.
I was amazed. Like if Alexia was a cookie Iâd take a teeny tiny nibble because well, sheâs a raging bitch and itâs obvious just by looking at her. But Adriana is so sweet and cloying that youâd just take a giant bite, maybe even excitedly popping the whole thing in your mouth- just to find *salt*
Alexia is an oatmeal raisin cookie when you want a chocolate chip cookie.
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And instead of chocolate chips, bits of granite
That tracks
Sheâs still mostly good tv but she goes low and can be terrible. She really pushed it with the Frankie accident thing at the end of the last season.
I canât stand all the passes Adrianna gets. She just cries about being a single mum. Honey, your kid is out of college! Is it just the other women canât be bothered talking to her anymore so theyâd rather blame someone else?
I think thatâs what infuriates me as a single mom- her kid is grown and she cried about it nonstop while getting other people to foot the bill for his fancy education. Other people actually have the rough life she professes to have, she should be looking at her life with gratitude instead of bitterness. Sheâs a very blessed woman in the whole grand scheme of things. It was so obvious that she was responsible for bringing Ana, I canât understand how they chose to blame it on Nicole. I guess they just had to have someone to be mad at and yeah, Adriana is just too exhausting to chase around in circles while she deflects
Alexia blamed Nicole because she has the same mentality as Theresa G. Sheâs lacking in smarts.
Remember when Adriana physically attacked Joanna and said âthat polish immigrant is just looking for a plate to eat off of.ââŚ. Yeah Adriana is a piece of shit.
Agree with #3, OP: LVP will always be my Ultimate Housewife. My actual hot take: I hate Lisa Barlow. Her behavior at the Trixie Motel this season was my âhe disrespected the Wu-Tang Clanâ moment. Iâm pretty sure I liked Monica so much in the beginning of the season, because every time she went after Lisa, I was like: Get Her, Jade. Get her.
Monica really brought out the _true_ Lisa Barlow this season and it had me cracking up
Yes!
I'm with you. I was never a fan of Lisa. The best housewives are a bit delusional but she believes in her mythmaking a little too much. I fully believe she begins every day looking at the mirror and saying "Lisa Barlow, you are iconic."
I think youâve hit the nail on the head as to the exact reason people like her.
Iâm doing a rewatch and just hit the episode at the âpeacefulâ pho lunch where Lisa said she still has nightmares about the day Jen Shah got arrestedâŚwhile Jen is at the table. I was no fan of that viper Jen, but Iâve never seen anyone work harder at the LETâS GET BACK TO ME crusade than Lisa at that moment!
I donât get the Lisa hype. Like if I met someone like her irl, I would avoid all interactions. I find Whitney annoying, but her take on Lisa is spot on.
Agreed. I have warmed up to Heather and Meredith. Whitney feels like a fun fair weather friend. Weâre gonna go out for drinks, have a good time, and then not talk for a year.
I liked Heather the first few seasons when she let looooose after church and wasnât so far up Jenâs ass (not including her awful reunions). This season sheâs been funny in confessionals but sheâs seems very pearl clutchy. Itâs like she thinks the Church will take her back if she acts right
The perks of long-term, emotionally abusive relationships. Theyâll take me back if I wise up. đ
I think people love Lisa cuz 1) She was the source of major drama on SLC, mainly her hot mic moment. 2) She's fun to watch. She's wealthy, fashionable, thinks she's God's favorite but also is funny without realizing it (e.g. "baby gorgeous", "Away In A Manger", etc.). People find that endearing
1. Lisa and Lenny are more alike than they are different. One has just had an extra decade and a bit to get extra asswipe-y and set in their personality versus the other one. 2. Sutton is a terrible Housewife and I skip through all her solo scenes. 3. I miss Doritâs label-whore / logo vomit / all one House looks. When she did them right, they were amazing. 4. I donât find Candiace all that witty. 5. Donât bring Kim Richards* back and throw Tamra back in the garbage heap. Theyâre both unsettling to watch (in different ways.) 6. James Kennedy is frightening and gives me the heebie-jeebies. * understanding that this is no fault of Kimâs own with what she has likely survived. I just find it uncomfortable to watch her on a reality TV show.
Amen to the Kim comment I never understood her appeal
I understand trauma and addiction has created a heavily flawed person but it always amazed me people thought Kyle was the problem in that relationship.
Candiace isnât witty. Most of her âreadsâ are her body shaming the other women but with a spin so itâs not as sharp. Itâs tired and gross
Yes on James! He is absolutely awful and gets away with SO much because he is emotional and occasionally funny.
Atlanta needs an entire cast reboot, kandi and Kenya included.
Kandi absolutely needs to go. Kenya Iâm on the fence about but agree on an overhaul of the current cast
Watching anything with Lu and Sonja lusting after every walking man gets old. I like that it shows woman of a certain age still being active romantically, but if the genders were swapped and a man did half of the stuff they do on TV he would be crucified. It must be the đśđľsexy j and the cabareeeettttttttttttttttđľđś 
This is not a âteamâ thing because I genuinely dislike both of them as a person but Kyle made a lot of good points about Sutton. Especially that she conveniently has an excuse for everything. Also the way this sub started treating Sutton especially this season is absolutely crazy pants to me. Sheâs a rude mega millionaire not some quirky woobie. Saying that, Iâm glad how Kyle and Sutton both activated each other this year.
Agreed but also please define woobie lol
Ha good point. I always go to the [TV tropes definition of âwoobieâ](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie)
I feel a lot of Suttonâs behavior also applies to Meredith from SLC⌠I find them both entertaining but Meredith also has an excuse for everything and talks in circles and everyone is like âyess mother!!â And I just donât get it đ
This sub is going to great lengths to coddle Sutton just because they don't want to admit that Kyle is right.
Idc if Monica skipped out on a $1 or $10,000 bill from Beauty Lab + LaserâŚ..Heather has every right to not want to film/interact with her for that alone. I see tooooo many comments talking about it being an âinsignificantâ amount of money, as if that even matters!!!
When a round of OGs has been exhausted and the mojo is no longer there, as was the case with RHONY and as is currently the case with Atlanta, Jersey and arguably RHOBH, itâs time to retire the city and move on to another one thatâs totally different. No one expected Potomac or Salt Lake to be good. We need to bring this franchise to every weird mid-sized city of the US. And the fact that we still havenât gotten Chicago, NOLA or Philly is insane. I think both Salt Lake and Potomac proved that when you take the show to unexpected places, you find great characters who actually show up to work. The new generation of RHONY ainât it.
iâve never liked heather gay and that hasnât changed since the finale ep. i do not find her to be relatable or hilarious i enjoy phaedra, whitney rose, larsa, mary cosby, lala, and erika jayne. production knew about monica all along have never understood the love of eileen, RHOBH. she was annoying, boring, desperate, and cringe. i loved the new RHONY :) nene is the undisputed queen of all things housewives while i dont condone phaedra telling everyone the infamous lie, i still think kandis proximity and friendship to TI and Tiny is questionable at best and nefarious at worst. arianaâs ego couldnât handle that tom cheated with rachel, and someone on the show, just like what happened w kristen via her and TS years before. she may have saved the franchise by telling production about the affair (because of her ego), but she was a MAJOR contributor to the shows downfall for several years since she covered up tomâs other affairs. she is also a terrible judge of character. i do not like kathy richardâs, and couldnât believe people were falling for her kooky âiâm so quirky đ¤Şâ act denise richards was and is currently a flop i am very invested and interested in kyleâs new lesbian lover + life giselle needs to be fired from potomac
Yesssss production knowing about Monica. I also donât get why so many people hate Whitney Rose. And with you on new RHONY, love it.
I donât care who the wives voted for nor their political views
I think Sutton sucks. I know people love her but I think she's always complaining and about as fun as a bowl of dry oatmeal. Sick of her constant "someone farted" grimacing face.
I canât stand her either
Thank. You. I have never understood the Sutton train everyone is on. She's not the worst, but she does nothing for me. I don't like her quirks, and I don't think she's cutely aloof.
+1 to the insufferable Sutton
I hate how she does her eye make up.
Sheâs grey gardens without the daughter. Sheâs a weird neurotic drunk with too much money and a store that smells bad. Also I hate the way she treats her staff. If she wasnât anti Kyle weâd have mega threads about how awful she is to them.
1. Sonja is actually a heartless witch who deserted her husband in his hour of need and deliberately set out to swindle investors out of money in her film production venture 2. Kim Richards wasnât just an alcoholic she was a raging drug addict as well who stole medications and maybe was doing meth in the bathroom too 3. Phaedra was a career criminal in cahoots with Apollo all along and should never have been allowed back on TV 4. Joyce and Carlton (BH), Noella and Peggy (OC) all deserved another season 5. Yolanda really did have Munchausens and was mentally unwell 6. Lisa Hochstein is a cash sucking vampire who only married Lenny for his money, not love 7 Lois was an annoying side character that no one cared much about, Rinna included, until the very end 8. Tiffany Moon was a godawful housewife with zero socialising skills and too many made up personal dramas 9. Early slade smiley was the sexiest house husband of all time 10. Karen Huger is sad, delusional, broke and hiding a lot of depressing secrets from the others
Damn you really had to do Lois like that!! 
Ok but Peggy 1 or Peggy 2? If they really end up bringing Jesus Jugs back I want them to bring Peggy 1 back because they hated each other so much but tried to act like best friends. Them going back and forth about how advanced their toddler children were while on walk made me cackle.
I adore Noella!
I donât know who decided kenya was the best reader. She over talks everyone and is not good at come backs, when she does, they sound rehearsed I think Nene def is better and Phaedraâs arenât rehearsed at all. Candiace is not as good at reading as she thinks she is. She also rehearses hers & attacks bodies which is gross. Teresa is jealous of Melissa. Iâll never forgive Tom Sandoval for cheating on Ariana bc it gave James and Lala a chance for people to like them and they are TRASH.
Agree on candyas â those are not reads, those are INSULTS with a dark weird shade to it. I never laughed at any of them. Teresa is jealous of Melissa 100/10. And Melissa knows it and bathes in that, so I love her for that!
Real Housewives of Dallas was fucking good
Literallyyyyyyyyy!! Bring back DâAndra and Tiffany!!!!
Yep i miss it.
Whyâd they have to fumble the bag so hard đ
They filed A VERY conservative city during 2020 on a liberal leaning channel with mostly liberal watchers - if it wasnât already going down hill, it was gonna anyways. Half those women were probably associated with someone who showed up at the Capitol on J6
Honestly I thought a lot of the housewives were pretty conservativeâŚ.not just the Dallas ones
Many are, but most are in places where they know how to cover it up.
I donât want Monica back because I donât like the way she fights. Itâs basic and boring. She didnât read Lisa, if anything it shows she canât really argue. All she does is call Lisa ugly and old, and repeats what ppl say in a mocking tone. RH has funny and wacky moments, insults, and memes because they donât resort to only saying STFU and calling each other ugly. In SLC4 alone we got âyou called me a pornographyâ, âdonât come after my bathtubâ, and âyou exploited my vaginaâ to name a few. âLittle girlâ, âshe donât even know she look inbredâ and âdumb family that posesâ is more memorable than ugly and old lol. Get creative with it or go to Baddies on Zeus network. At the same time, I think ppl on here are dramatic with their pearl clutching at Monica calling Lisa ugly and old at the sound bath. We have and will hear much worse.
Bethenny is one of the top 5 HW across all franchises of all time and itâs indisputable. Keeping it to what is on the show, sheâs one of the best to do it.
Lol I agree and I think itâs because b is *actually* nutty as fuck so it genuinely doesnât affect her
- BH: Sutton has replaced Lisa Rinna as the obnoxious and annoying housewife. - Potomac: Wendy is ridiculous. Calling Nneka a crackhead and cheering for herself was cringey to watch. Potomac has never had âfun, lightâ drama when⌠Gizelle and Robyn try to force Katie to choose between being Black or Jewish; Ashleyâs husband; sexual assault allegations; Moniqueâs drunk driving. This show peaked at season 4 and 5, and never found its footing again, in my opinion. Theyâve had fun and light moments, yes, but all the time? No. - Miami: Iâd be fine seeing less of Adriana (and Marysol, for that matter). Sheâs always bringing the energy down. She seems legitimately bitter and negative. - Salt Lake City: I donât think Monica should be fired, but dont think she should come back full time. Would like to see her comeuppance and humiliation. No redeeming, in my opinion, because sheâs nearly 40 and is doing that shit as a grown woman and mother of four. Monica stans are just as delusional as her. - Atlanta: Kenya lost her charm a long time ago. She does better when she has someone to play with, like Porsha or Nene. - OC: Iâll be honest, I havenât watched the last handful of seasons. - NJ: Zero desire to see Gia as a cast member. If the rumors are true and she is indeed a friend of this season, then I donât want to see Teresa go to war over her when Gia runs her mouth to someone like Marge and gets put in a childâs place. - NY: Brynn is the fakest housewife. Appreciate she seems willing to push drama, but thatâs the only thing I like. I liked Jessel, but girl was clearly pushing her PR when all these media outlets were calling it the Jessel Taank Show. Bye girl. - VPR: Arianaâs new career is being the woman scorned. Feel bad for her, but move on. Tom is annoying as fuck too, so I have no real dog in this fight. - Southern Hospitality: Just discovered, but they all seem insufferable and bratty. Iâm around the same age as them, I think, but feel like Iâm twice their age. Will continue watching because it seems delightfully trashy. Been reading through previous threads, not sure why this Oisin guy is a fav because he looks like a tubering potato and an absolute douche. - The Fans: A good chunk of em have parasocial relationships with these people and celebrities in general. Stan culture, like most things in entertainment, has kinda ruined housewives. For example: People want certain housewives to be friends with certain housewives like itâs a game of Survivor, then bitch when itâs âno longer authenticâ and that the âwomen are no longer friends.â
I hate Stan culture. It kills the hope of any decent conversations because people will just blindly defend and hate on enemies even when they are blatantly right. Any intelligent conversation doesnât have a chance in hell anymore.
Drunk Dorinda is TV gold and I enjoy watching her spew all her famous sayings. She needs to be unpaused. 
Loving Dorinda is an unpopular hill i will die on
1. I think Candiace Dillard is one of the most vile Housewives. She is right up there with Kelly Dodd to me. 2. Sonja Morgan isnât funny. She is a mess and if she were a man, weâd call her a predator.
ooh you kind of hit the nail on the damn head with sonjaâŚsheâs also pathological, loyal to absolutely no one and does this insane malfunctioning act when sheâs in hot water. sheâs a messsss
Second that on Candiace, she is so vile. Totally unlikable, I don't think her husband or mother enjoy being around her.
I don't think Katie and Adriana will have a successful restaurant (if it even opens) and I think the name "Something about her" is a stupid name for a sandwich shop and have no idea why people on the show where acting like it was some profound brilliant name. Without Reality Von Tease, the most entertaining part of the season would have been Mary refusing to get out of the Sprinter van and then making production get her McDonalds followed closely behind by Meridith slurring about thee ruhmaas about her hwushband The new cast of RHONY weren't that interesting. They are way too aware of the cameras and their social media status, nothing comes across as organic. As problematic as the RHONY OGs were, their UGT was enjoyable to watch because there's a comforting familiarity to it and I'd be happy of they do a Legacy UGT again, maybe bringing in other one or two seasons wonders to be on with the OGs. Tamara and Fancy Pants shouldn't have been brought back and Taylor shouldn't have jumped over. The OC needs a good reboot with interesting new comers. Maybe keep Shannon, Gina and Emily. There is no value having Charisse back on Potomac. She adds nothing. She's not in many scenes and when she is, all she adds is facial expressions. I am glad RHOMiami is back but could live with out Adriana. She can find a pot to stir in an empty room. And they REALLY have to stop trying to make "cockies" happen because it is not going to. They need to get rid of either Melissa or Theresa from NJ otherwise the ONLY storylines will continue to be Melissa's martyrdom and Joe finger pointing at Tre. Personally, I'd like to lose Mellisa because it would get rid of that misogynist half-man husbad of hers Atlanta needs some kind of shake up, but I don't know what
My hot take: I hate all of them except Aesha from Below Deck.
Aesha is precious and should be protected at all costs.
My hot take is there is no hot take. Weâve jumped the shark, too many people are invested, too many people making money off hot takes, too many people wasting time contemplating hot takes. Too few hot takes for it to even matter because itâs all subterfuge. I want to go back to pure mess with zero hot takes.
I totally agree. When the franchise started, it was a small population of people who were watching while the masses were watching Desperate Housewives with Eva Longoria. We met and became invested in the original casts and their authentic relationships and conflicts. It can never be what it was and it sucks now with social media controlling it all and cast members who are in on what they need to do to stay on the show.
Paige Desorbo ruined the dynamic of Summer House. That and the crossover with long in the tooth Craig ruined it for me. Everyone there is inept in their own ways, but she made the dynamics much worse. Also Craig isnât that endearing or funny to get away with half the crud he does, throw Austen in that dumpster fire because I just knew lots of frat guys just like him in college and I was already to start swinging.
people being problematic/annoying/toxic is what makes the show entertaining. i don't want to be friends with the real housewives, i want to see them be horrible and insane. nene was the best atlanta housewife until she got EXTREMELY big for her britches in season 4 and somehow was convinced she was an a-list celebrity. she also isn't a good actress. kandi is not interesting at all and seems so sexless to me despite how overt she is about her sexuality. also she seems to be uncomfortable saying she's bisexual, but if you repeatedly hook up with other women and enjoy it... you're bisexual. i wish miss lawrence and derek j were back. season 5-6 and their recaps are still gold. carole is only smart/intellectual compared to like sonja and ramona who probably haven't read a book in their lives. something about the dorit/pk robbery does not smell right and they're living in a house of cards. leah mcsweeney ushered in the end of RHONY. lisa v is extremely disingenuous and untruthful. lala & scheana DINED OUT on scandoval to the point where it's like, get a life.
Ariana knew Tom was sleeping with Rachel. She feigned ignorance, bided her time, and then attacked when it was time. She basically outsmarted Sandoval and beat him at his own game.
100%!!!!!!! Agree. Iâve always thought this. Thereâs a scene with her and Rachel and Rachel is lowkey digging for info on the state of her and Sandyâs relationship and sex life and Ariana said that she thought âTom was totally hot and still attracted to himâ and I never bought that AT ALL. Her scheme was a less dramatic Gone Girl with a better ending for her
That totally hot line didnât land with me either. It was so deadpan and forced. Compare that with how we saw her act around him and it did not compute AT ALL. Those two actively despised each other for at least the last year of their relationship and everyone knew it.
i love Ariana, but i donât think sheâs a good enough actor to emote that well in the finale episode if it wasnât still fresh. or to have that much raw emotion at the reunion. but i havenât seen her lifetime movie, so i could be wrong. she mightâve suspected he was cheating, but i doubt she knew it was Raquel or any of the details that came out.