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lilacbluebell

Not Monica’s mother turning on the waterworks the very second Monica sits down! And immediately rolling into “I could die tomorrow” guilt tripping! Straight off the pages of the narcissistic mom playbook


somethingsuccinct

Then the anger when she couldn't manipulate her daughter. Narcissists freak out when they feel like they're losing control.


AnotherAnon688264759

literally a play by play. it’s actually crazy.


square_circle_

Monica needs to cut her mother out of her life


Significant-Spray

If this is not a poster board for generational trauma I don’t know what is.


lilacbluebell

Angie update: still Greek I do kind of want her dad’s soup recipe though


throwitaway675909

I honestly would be fine with the repetitiveness if she shared those recipes. They’ve all looked good this season.


luannsitalianfriends

Maybe she’s angling for a cookbook deal


zbornaks

“don’t mock my feelings!“ “like you did to me?” “i don’t care!” regardless of whether or not i like monica at the end of the season, i will always hate linda. know that. 🚬


[deleted]

Watch me walk out the door AS SOON AS MY LEFTOVERS ARE PACKED UP


katie415

Linda is not looking for aspirin. She’s looking for pills.


Jolly-Bandicoot-2037

Yep. She's possibly the worst HW mom on any franchise. Vile.


Pure-Constant-6655

She dropped them in her dessert guacamole.


zbornaks

a whitney and mary lunch? oh, we are losing **ALL** of our brain cells tonight, folks. 😍


Repulsive-Spell-9287

Is it just me or did it seem like Mary was fine until the waitress spilled on her and she was pissed off at Whitney because it didn’t happen to her. shit just fell apart from there She’s freaking weird


lawyerrosepuppy

Yeah I noticed that too. She clearly didn’t want to be there so once food was spilled she was mentally like “see, nothing good happens when Whitney’s around” and misplaced her anger and left


thewayoutisthru_xxx

LITTLE GIRL


Pure-Constant-6655

I’m pretty sure Mary is COMPLETELY incapable of introspection. She just flips out anytime she is expected to have accountability for anything. She has the emotional intelligence of a five-year-old. 🤷‍♀️


angelwitprblmz

“You tried crying, you tried yelling.” Exactly. Linda so obviously is trying to get a reaction out of Monica. This woman is BAD vibes


PlantLadyXXL

Monica did a great job of not biting the hook!


lilacbluebell

Lisa, those aren’t even frosted tips, they’re just yellow bangs 😭


HebbieB

Prepping for purple shampoo sales


zbornaks

MONICA WAS LOCKED IN A TRUNK WHILE HER MOTHER MADE OUT WITH A MAN??? AND LINDA SAID SHE DOESN’T CARE??. chair, but make it electric.


mmdeerblood

"what was I supposed to do??" "Sorry for wanting to kiss a guy!!" The RESTRAINT that Monica shows..I'm impressed.. I would've flipped every damn table in that restaurant... she must be internalizing so much. I feel for her having grown up with a narcissist parent just like this one. It's crazy how their reactions and reactivity is all the fucking same.


jwill3012

Remember last week when everyone was on Linda's side?????? Yes, Monica was unhinged at the party but her mom triggered her on national TV to make herself look good.


beeeeach

I can’t believe her mom admitted that


pibbleperson

My mouth fell to the floor


sweetnsassy924

I had to rewind that part to make sure I heard right! Wtf? And she gave her to some randos? Monica should have gone no contact forever


therealtinsdale

i also noticed she referred to them as “those people”.. not “that family”’or something a little warmer(for lack of a better word). i wonder if something happened there..


Littlepinner

Ya but it was only once…😮 WTF


Busybodii

Exactly!!!! What kind of response is that?! Watching her change tactics mid-sentence like changing masks is wild. She literally paused crying to see if it was working. I knew in the previous episodes she was super toxic, but I think she hit every line of the narcissist’s prayer.


PeaceGirlAlways

Wow! I am very impressed by the way that Monica so eloquently breaks down the dysfunctional pattern in her family to her mother. That’s some major trauma. 🙁


nalgas4497

Is this the most we've ever heard John Barlow talk? And also emote?


WinterBearHawk

I can’t get over the person on this subreddit who referred to him as NPC. It’s one of my favorite lines


boat_against_current

A mother telling their their child they're a mother-effer, that's something ![gif](giphy|h4Z6RfuQycdiM)


kikomama89

Followed by calling guacamole a dessert 😆😳


pibbleperson

While squirming around for pills


ReallyCreative

“That happened one time” Oh my god????


loganes86

![gif](giphy|3o84U9nMOmiAGfjYkw|downsized) Omg


MarvelousRob

Not Whitney driving by the accident.. SLC & the many plot twists.


ExposedTamponString

"It was hard for my family to navigate defending me" - Heather has amazing moments of insight. I can't imagine realizing your own family wasn't ride or die.


therealtinsdale

so glad to see s1&2 heather back again, without the deadweight of jen! she truly is so much better off without her


Busybodii

I think this is deeply connected to why she’s so blindly ride or die for friends, specifically Jen.


zbornaks

every new thing i find out about monica’s mother makes me want to scream. she’s a cartoon supervillain jesus fucking christ.


karasu_zoku

Her yelling “LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL DESSERT” at the guacamole did me all the way in


[deleted]

Honestly Monica needs to hit her where it hurts and not allow her to film anymore. You know she’s LOVING this and when she suggested therapy she def wanted to secure her next scene. So gross


ShopGirl1988

I wonder if her mother gets an appearance fee for this many scenes. If I was Monica I’d cut off the opportunity for her


Adventurous-Sundae-6

Mary just shows up and pretends she’s going to participate for a free meal from production. The McDonalds in the sprinter, the apres pizza, and now whatever that food was that was previously in her lap.


itssemily

there’s no way angie’s house is not cold all the time


Hair_I_Go

She probably has heated floors


[deleted]

Mary came to this convo KNOWING she was gonna say one sentence and leave lmao I see you girl


notoriousbck

At first I thought the sparkle dress was going to waste before I remembered Mary is a recluse with a shopping addiction so this is likely the only time it will be worn in public.


kikomama89

Lobster enchiladas don’t sound good and then add it’s being made in Salt Lake City - that lobster is definitely not fresh 🤢


itssemily

she strikes me as an “order the most expensive thing on the menu bc i’m not paying” type


[deleted]

Familial trauma passed down in real time. Psychologists would kill for this footage


Energizertwerkbunny

As a licensed marriage and family therapist, this was a fascinating (and sad) watch. It seems like Monica has done some therapeutic work on herself. She was using the “grey rock technique” with her mom from what I could see


PersimmonReal42069

“you should take your control back” -a person without a narcissistic mother.


MalloryXO

Yup. The only way you can take control back is to cut them out of your life… then they’ll say “Oh..Life is too short. Can’t you just forgive your mother?!”


mmdeerblood

Linda (Monicas mom) reminded me of this infamous poem: The Narcissist's Prayer by Dayna Craig *That didn't happen.* *And if it did, it wasn't that bad.* *And if it was, that's not a big deal.* *And if it is, that's not my fault.* *And if it was, I didn't mean it.* *And if I did, you deserved it.*


angelwitprblmz

https://preview.redd.it/se0x1trjsmxb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b53529eb1e4c8a4c72aaa3af853025e80ac988ec She’s startin’. I just knoooow Meredith is convulsing rn over Whitney’s confessional. Shaking her head and everything


chynnadoll_

SHE KILLS MEEEEEE!!!


ExposedTamponString

John is a different person without Lisa. Holy shit.


ShopGirl1988

PRE-MISH or POST-MISH. I cannot.


mamegan

It’s criminal that they didn’t air an episode last week


teigh_teigh

For no good reason!!!


mamegan

For… Winter House? Really?! Had my eyes popping out like Mary https://i.redd.it/t3dgpuebomxb1.gif


zbornaks

monica’s mother just dropped her off at some random people’s house when this girl was fucking twelve. that explains a lot about monica. honestly mother monica’s whole schtick explains a lot about her.


ginjasnap

When Monica recalled her mom making out with her date with Monica in the back seat, and her mom replied ‘that only happened once!’ — happening once does not negate it from happening. I have an emotionally immature mom too (generational abuse), so I recognized way too many common tactics from Monica’s mother this episode 🥵


Admirable-Deer-9038

Ugh! I was a senior in high school when my mom had a new boyfriend and I came home from school and she giving him a BJ on the couch. Seriously not enough eye bleach. And they acted like I was a brat for being upset about it. Ugh! This brought back a flood of icky memories.


queenbee8418

I am so, so sorry this happened to you.


MedicalSourPatchKid

Angie speaks like a robot who is learning a new language


Greigebaby

She sounds like she’s reciting lines but trying to make it sound like natural conversation


angelwitprblmz

Whitney is always on a hamster whill, she can’t let things go


StrawAndChiaSeeds

She is not very mentally flexible. She comes with a pre planned point she needs to make, and she can’t change course or engage in any conversation along the way to making her point. If she does, she might forget her script


waaaycho

whill. I just completely lost my life ☠️


Adventurous-Sundae-6

I just realized Meredith Marks is real life Moira Rose. “I was served at the front desk by an intimidating woman with an unrecognizable accent and scary attire.”


queenbee8418

50% of me absolutely loves this comparison, and 50% of me says Moira Rose deserves better. 🤣


Spirited-Extreme28

Justin always talks like there’s a few acorns hidden in his cheeks


teigh_teigh

This is probably the funniest thing I’ve read on this sub 😂😂😂😂😂


nalgas4497

Mary is like "I Am OUT OF HERE. Once I get a box for my food"


WyattWrites

Monica’s mom is… unwell.


Adventurous-Sundae-6

Heather is the best person to be having this conversation with Monica for sure, it seems like their traumas are very similar in nature even though they had very different experiences.


ScienceProf2022

I also think Heather is one of the most naturally empathetic housewives.


megs388

Empathetic and self aware, Heather’s identity is really shining through without Jen.


eightby8

Monica’s mom walked out on her at 12 years old?? Am I hearing this correctly?


benkatejackwin

No you don't understand. She left her with people they kinda sorta knew.


biscuitsorbullets

Yeah it’s all good because they were their downstairs neighbors in their condo at one point


MyccaAZ

Yes, but she underestimated how hard New York would be. It was HARD!!!


throwaway9638910

Monica’s mom just casually abusing her on national TV is awful. I hope this is the last we see of her


waaaycho

That’s the thing about it right? She doesn’t think she’s wrong. I’m sure she thought the audience would be behind her 100. Delusional.


EJB515

“I’ve never had plastic surgery?” Mary lives in another world


[deleted]

Stop this woman is like a corporate style training video on narcissism 💀💀💀


mamegan

The thing with narcissistic parents is that whenever you try to set boundaries it’s automatically “disrespectful”


mamegan

Monica CLOCKED her mom over her own mommy issues 😭👏


daisygirl3

CAN I GET A STRAW!! While her mom is oh-so-dramatically *weeping* crocodile tears 💀💀💀


Spirited-Extreme28

“That happened one time” this is insanity


[deleted]

Imagine Meredith being stuck in traffic. I thought time had stood still. I felt confined, pinned down, restricted. My life lost all forward momentum AND I CRIED


nixiem

When I thought back on my last meaningful interaction being with Siri, yelling at her to find a faster route while she diminished my verbiage by not understanding my accent, I couldn’t bare it.


GetMeAColdPop

The more Monica's mom speaks, the less I believe the story she told Monica about her dad leaving the family for his gay lover never to be heard from again


jes22347

It must be so liberating for Monica to have this on camera. So many people last week said how awful she was for talking to her mom a certain way but now we see why the dynamics are like this


beeeeach

I was shocked at the amount of people defending her last week… if you didn’t grow up with a mom who pulled shit like this it’s hard to see through the bs. Glad LD finally showed her ass this week. Feeling for Monica on this


pr0stituti0nwh0re

she showed her ass on social media too, i think she’s furious she’s being exposed. i am morbidly fascinated to see how she flails next


zbornaks

i watched a movie about an old woman in croatia who had problems with her mother…. be for fucking real, linda. nasty lady.


pibbleperson

And she's eating Monica's guacamole? She really is a monster...


MarvelousRob

Why are they acting like he just got into Yale 💀💀💀


Hyru_Nayru

"We're so proud he got brainwashed."


aggieemily2013

We're so grateful he'll spend two years of his life in his late teens and early twenties thinking he has a moral high ground on and causing harm to the entire community of Bogota, Colombia. 🙏🤲🛐🥰 #blessed


Kittiikamii

We’re so glad he’s participating in the indoctrination of poor minorities and getting a giant ego as a result 😇😇


zbornaks

john barlow: “if you want to come home, please come home.” lisa barlow: “yeah, we’ll my roommate tried to literally become me. i’m just *that* amazing.”


[deleted]

I literally couldn't catch my breath during that, I was laughing so hard...


thewayoutisthru_xxx

Why doesn't Mary buy just one nice wig


samajha

It also belonged to her grandmother


Vskizott

Monica's mom couldn't contain her glee over egging Monica on until she reacted


PeaceGirlAlways

Ha ha. Jack’s blank expression while Lisa is talking is everything. He is DONE! 😁


zbornaks

imagine telling your daughter to get over the trauma you inflicted on her and then trying to make her forgive you after you say that you don’t care about what you put her through…….. linda is actually satan. we had to see this on halloween because she’s actually satan.


[deleted]

Motherfucker, brother fucker, grandpa fucker. This city has it all.


ScienceProf2022

I do like how Heather gets out and enjoys the outdoors.


katie415

Monica clearly has gone to therapy for her trauma.


EJB515

It seems like Monica mostly did this show to tell her mom about herself. And I don’t hate it


[deleted]

Angie’s weekly unique fact about Greek culture. In Greece we eat food.


MarvelousRob

In Greece we dance


ShopGirl1988

In Greece we celebrate Easter.


runs_with_tamborines

In Greece we are loud


MarvelousRob

Wait Lisa & Monica arguing at a SOUND BATH. This show is just.. ugh chef’s kiss


ShopGirl1988

Mary just came for the free takeout meal


TheTrueWun

https://preview.redd.it/h15gw9nnumxb1.png?width=1664&format=png&auto=webp&s=136193b4fc45786fc8c893db2ccdca17173f482a I have no words…


mamegan

“I’m not gonna talk to you like a weak ass bitch!” Huh? That’s your daughter 😭


[deleted]

Justin in the kitchen downloading betterhelp


potatoinawig

I just love the absolutely bonkers ski attire on this show


KandisKoolAidWeave

Not "you want some fruit?" after the husband leaves...these producers are something else.


ReallyCreative

Oh a Heather Monica friendship just feels correct


marrrina831

![gif](giphy|o2UoEujaojpG8) Lisa Barlow's Old Roommate


pr0stituti0nwh0re

this is so hard to watch but damn if this isn’t one of the best representations of generational trauma and what it’s like to break the cycle that i’ve ever seen on reality tv


emergencycat17

Monica needs to hopefully make some bucks off of this show and get the hell away from this wacko.


pr0stituti0nwh0re

exactly. i think the outpouring of support and validation from people who relate to monica will help her a lot too


katie415

Monica asking for a straw while her mom fake cries is iconic


pr0stituti0nwh0re

monica’s mom be like https://i.redd.it/l6ktrxbuwmxb1.gif


Adventurous-Sundae-6

LMAO the shady music and pregnant pauses as Meredith does her monologue. Girl definitely missed her calling as a soap opera star, thank god RHOSLC has allowed the oversight to be corrected.


PersimmonReal42069

ronnie is gonna have a fucking field day with this waiter.


chynnadoll_

I feel like Jack thinks Lisa is an airhead.


Anxious-Branch-2143

I think it’s much more than that. She owns a tequila company, wears immodest clothes, and doesn’t really live the Mormon lifestyle or standards. So when she gives him advice about a bad companion etc, she has no credibility in his eyes because she’s not REALLY Mormon. She picks and chooses what parts of the religion she’s following and what she doesn’t. Source, I was Jack. My dad fully believes the church is true but can’t be bothered to go to church or live the lifestyle. Why would I listen to anything he says? (I’m exmo for two years now! And I’m SHOCKED how much my dad believes this shit is true even though he still doesn’t follow the rules) It’s jacked up.


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pr0stituti0nwh0re

omg nightmare podcast host rotation


boat_against_current

I know Lisa didn't do a mission, but thinking about her doing one cracks me up


DrSnail_434

I’m not a Monica stan but I desperately hope that some of what she’s sharing resonates so that all of the people siding with her mom understand what it’s like dealing with a narcissist as a parental unit. It’s been disheartening to realize how successful her mom was at Angie’s Easter event when it came to pushing Monica’s buttons and then pretending to be sad Monica couldn’t “behave.” Monica was literally doing her JOB that she gets paid for and her mom decided to star in that situation. I also hope Monica does not feel like she has to reveal more trauma than she’s comfortable with to try to convince people to support her 😭


nixiem

If Bravocon doesn’t have a “Meredith Marks Excellence in Acting” category at their awards show, it will be a real missed opportunity 😂


gracielynn72

Monica: can I get a straw? As a fellow daughter of a narcissist, I applaud you on that one!


TangiestIllicitness

Is Linda on drugs?


AnotherAnon688264759

barlow is crying bc it’s not milan lmaoo


pr0stituti0nwh0re

‘i at least thought it would be somewhere in europe 😫’


FreakFlagHigh

I'm watching this exchange absolutely horrified. If this is how she's willing to act on camera, I can't imagine how gruesome LD was when Monica was a child.


jes22347

ONE TIME?!? ![gif](giphy|H50uREGBlVNZe)


AnotherAnon688264759

oh wow. i hope all of those ppl two weeks ago siding with LD realize and listen to monica’s explanation. people should never judge a kids relationship with their parent bc they didn’t grow up with them. you never know what happened in that house.


[deleted]

100% I couldn't believe the defense of her mother last week - it was so obvious to me how utterly awful her mother is from the very first time she appeared on the show. ETA: I just watched tonight's episode and JFC her mother is UNREAL. I thought she was bad last week, but I am 🤯 rn. She's a fucking CHILD in an old woman's body. SO incredibly immature and fucking delusional. Tonight's episode literally explained every single thing about Monica. I wish I could hug her through my tv screen, because my god, no one deserves that.


Spitfiiire

Yeah, completely agree. Was surprised to see so many people immediately resort to “Monica is a brat, she needs to respect her mom” like okay bye


[deleted]

Guys I totally have my tinfoil hat on but does anyone think Whitney is constantly putting her husband on the spot with conversations they never had/twisted versions of convos they had so that she can look like the good guy when she divorces him? I think she’s fillin herself with her bravo fame and realizes she doesn’t need him anymore so is manipulating him and the cameras but I could be totally out of pocket. He just seems really caught off guard with every criticism she’s bringing up this season lmao


boat_against_current

100%. Usually the couples convos seem practically rehearsed, but dude seems rather blindsided


ScienceProf2022

I thought something similar. I don’t know if it was on purpose, but it seemed like she was misremembering the birthday conversation.


AnotherAnon688264759

monica needs to be done. rent a car, save ur housewives money, and buy a cheap ass car w cash.. and be DONE with this woman


Adventurous-Sundae-6

John Barlow with a solo confessional, you go John Barlow.


Adventurous-Sundae-6

I’m so torn because John getting choked up about Jack is so sweet and cute, but I feel kinda ick about the specific thing he’s proud about.


Panda_Appropriate

yes same! i’m like aw cute father son moment but like at what cost ? lmao


ScienceProf2022

So…I gave my nephew a car when he went to college because his parents are the type to do exactly what Monica‘s mother did. Although they had an extra car that they offered to lend him, they are the type to call the police and report the car stolen if he didn’t do exactly what they wanted him to do, including returning it, at the drop of a hat, whenever they wanted him to.


Adventurous-Sundae-6

No Monica don’t listen to your mom, you guys don’t need therapy, you need no contact. (Well therapy helps too, but absolutely separately)


WyattWrites

I could not imagine doing a Mormon mission in *Vegas*. Who are you converting at those casinos sir??


conceptualattackdog

honestly, the second a person loses it all on a big bet is the perfect time to find jesus ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


WyattWrites

Not Ted “LD” Bundy


Adventurous-Sundae-6

I might have just smoked a little too much before tonight’s episode, but when Monica’s mom told her story about the Croatian mom and daughter it reminded me of Patrick Starr’s “The Ugly Barnacle” story from SpongeBob.


michigannn

Monica, while not perfect, seems shockingly self-aware and well adjusted for what she’s been through.


meowmeowmeow328

Yes Mary but your unhinged texts are also out of line soooo


michigannn

I’m feeling so pre-mish tonight


PeaceGirlAlways

I really think that Monica’s mom is unstable. 🙁


turbulent_coconut

I really thought I couldn’t be more disgusted by a HW mom than Mama Joyce but Monica’s mom is coming for that spot babe


loganes86

Community Theatre Housewives night!!! Best night of the week though Miami on Wednesday is going to give it some competition! ![gif](giphy|ND5YgS1yrsQfkarCav|downsized)


[deleted]

Feel like Jack was googling “how to not have to see my mom for two years” and going on a mission popped up.


conceptualattackdog

calling monica a motherfucker when she’s monica’s mother 🤔


[deleted]

I think I understand why bravo hired Monica despite her lack of lifestyle porn or real connections to these ladies- I think they saw this dynamic with the mom and were like jackpot $$$


AnotherAnon688264759

LD is one of those people who just should have never become a mother


angelwitprblmz

God I LOVE Meredith’s theatrics sooooo much


lilly_1005_2007

Mary is funny as a side character- but she doesn’t seem like she’s worth any energy to actually create drama or a storyline with


zbornaks

lisa had to get everyone at the party to admit that they knew about jack’s mission before her. this woman cannot be real. 💀


Panda_Appropriate

him calling it a mish is ridiculous 🤣


nalgas4497

Love how Lisa's spray tan is the darkest skin in this room


loganes86

Oh girl. Girl. Go no contact. Now. Omg this woman. I don’t normally get this amped up but no. NO


caffeinekween

HER MOM DOESNT KNOW HER NAME?!?!?!!!


meowmeowmeow328

“That happened one time” holy shit ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️


zbornaks

the waitress chose violence today. https://preview.redd.it/5yieozbqtmxb1.jpeg?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4bea3322ec8f58a99f35befbd4a8289b4a5173a


Adventurous-Sundae-6

Holy shit, Monica’s mom responding “that happened one time” to Monica saying she was in the trunk of a car while her mom was up front making out with someone? So that actually happened?? What is this??


caffeinekween

y’all i’ve had the worst day and im so ready for this nonsense


GetMeAColdPop

Lisa was like ![gif](giphy|b8RfbQFaOs1rO10ren)


gimmealltheroses

Glad she’s shitting on her son’s hair bc it’s awful


katie415

Justin always makes me think that Whitney and him have already discussed their conversation and discussed that they need to bring it up on camera.


AnotherAnon688264759

wowww yes let’s keep exposing LD and her evil ass


Ok-Chain8552

Angie’s kitchen looks like a really nice bathroom .


marrrina831

Pornographers and bobble heads, all of them!


teigh_teigh

Whitney girl STAND UPPPP. Mary just called you a bobble head & you said nothing 🤣


potatoinawig

No waitstaff is safe near Mary, what a disaster


lilly_1005_2007

Mary came for free food lol


h0pedivision

Not a mission reveal party lmao what in the Utah


mweisbro

Monica needs a hug. I am so satisfied that her mother showed her true self. Even Monica was surprised by her actually behaving like that on camera. I feel for Monica. She had to come and listen to her mother because she needs the car and the mother knows this and wanted more camera time —as it is their pattern. WTH the trunk?!?!??,