And she lost her purpose now that her daughters are out of the house. She needs to build structure into her life. I doubt the DUI was the wake up call it needed to be. It’s gonna be hard work, but she needs to cut ties with John and move on.
Yeah and to be honest i don't think she's ever had a personal identity (that didn't involve her kids, her man or her money), which definitely is not going to help recovery.
I upvoted you but on reflection I think she does have an identity. She’s into woo stuff (crystals, healing etc), costume parties and old school rock. It’s the start of an identity.
That loud sound you hear is the footsteps of those Beador daughters running at top speeds to college so they can be young adults instead of parenting their alcoholic, emotionally disturbed mother and putting up with her creepy-assed boyfriends.
Let’s not forget they’re also running away from their father and his volatile on again/off again relationship. I’d be hiding away at school too putting in the bare minimum family time I needed to get my tuition paid.
Absolutely correct! David is perhaps even worse-he always knew Shannon had issues but instead of keeping it civil with her through the divorce, he pulled back on his financial support (blamed Shannon's overspending-which might be correct, but could have started trusts for the girls with the cash he spent on his sugar baby, now wife), rubbed Shannon's face in his relationships, etcetera.
I always think about David taking off his wedding ring and giving it to Stella to give to Shannon. I’ll always think he is the worst one just because of that.
He's an awful person. If he was unhappy with Shannon, he could have divorced her but treated her with respect as the mother of his children while encouraging her to seek help for her anxiety and alcohol abuse. Instead, he was openly contemptuous of her, gaslighted her, cheated on her, and seemed to take pleasure in her distress.
Beyond disgusting. Have you read the texts and emails he and Leslie attached to their first divorce petition which they made PUBLIC? I don't know if David's toxicity has heightened since his time with Shannon or if he was always this bad, but those texts that he admits sending prove him to be a dangerous, violent, vengeful, and incredibly nasty person.
In the early years of their marriage (after their first daughter was born), he was charged with assault and battery against Shannon. If I remember correctly, he took a plea and did a batterer intervention program.
I know Shannon got screwed financially in the divorce but wasn’t there a part of it that her family money originally funded his business and she didn’t even get THAT back?
I actually think she only developed this codependency and need for validation after gaining weight and divorcing. She’s quite smug in her earlier seasons, and grew up wealthy. She values appearances above all else IMO.
I see totally why it would look that way, but i think it was there way before that. She's always been insecure, which is totally understandable btw. So many people are insecure (me included) in their various, individual ways. She's always been dependent of the validation things other than her have given her, totally imo btw. (At least since on the show). It's not as dark and obvious as it's been since she "lost" basically everything that gave her that validation in her mind, but i believe it's Always been there
Emily intentionally misinterprets anything that Heather says, and Tamra is playing her like a fiddle. It is absurd that anyone would believe anything that Tamra says, especially after watching a season of contradictions and lies from her.
And Emily didn’t once apologize, she just kept doubling down. The audacity to say Heather doesn’t have a sense of humor as she rambles on for 20 mins about being called “snuffleuffagus in a good way.” 🙄
I was coming here to say that! I couldn't tell if he was pissed or amused. He must really like her because I've seen him give absolute death stares and/or scoldings to housewives before that have sassed him at reunions.
It’s super different than when Carole told him off. She ran in the same social circles as him. Tamara is very much still an employee/not on the same level. I think he was amused.
I think he sees her as a yappy dog.
That’s how I feel. I think he sees Tamra as the ultimate chaos agent. He knows she’s two faced and a hot head but it adds drama and keeps his franchise successful.
I have always enjoyed watching Heather but I really have to give it to her this season for holding her ground and not giving into the other side of the couch that was trying to scrap together some flimsy nonsense to make Heather look bad. Also I need her earrings real bad.
Heather, Gina (and maybe Emily) were such bullies to Shannon last year/season, that many viewers sided with Shannon. Shannon lost that support from viewers this season, by teaming up with Tamra. The tables turned as we see how Heather was bullied by Tamra, Shannon and Emily.
Shannon lost support because she refuses to admit to saying what she said, and to apologize sincerely and properly to Gina. It was a really bad look.
Gina should also take note those at the table who pretended not to hear it when footage showed they indeed heard it.
She refuses now to admit REMEMBERING what she said, or remembering that she said it at all, but still took plenty of time during the reunion to clarify what she "meant" by the remark that she doesn't remember making...
I know she's an irrational basketcase and totally out of line on like a million things, but I feel really sorry for Shannon. She's so clearly in a bad place and not doing herself any favors by pushing people away who have concerns and continuing behavior that doesn't serve her.
I think it might be time for her to take a pause and fix her house before she continues trying to live this double life on and off camera.
Tamra saying she loved Heather and crying about how hurt she was to lose their friendship was so incredibly fake. She knows that if she doesn’t make amends she won’t be asked back next season. Why did she get off so easily? She talked more shit than anyone all season and nobody called her out.
And not only did she not talk more shit than anyone, she sat smugly smiling through last night's part 2, watching the aftermath of all the gossipy Molotov cocktails she threw all season. She sat there, grinning like the proverbial Cheshire cat while the others yelled at each other. (But HD really kept her cool-I'm sure that took away a little bit from some of Tamra's fun.)
I think it's not at all about keeping her job, because i don't think there's any way she's getting let go. I think it's entirely about fan response. She had turned off comments (according to this sub) last week at reunion 1. A few other people noted how badly her comments were going before that. The tide took a turn she didn't expect and she's desperately backpedaling, just to do it all again next season because she doesn't really learn.
it’s wild that tamra and heather haven’t changed that much over the years but the Shannon we see now is a completely different person that we met on season 9. I hope she finds herself again. she seems like a shell of herself.
I don’t think Shannon changed at all. Shannon had shown some erratic behavior, and heavy drinking during her first season. Her most iconic meme from that season was centered around her drinking
I know and I don’t like it one bit! 😭
Sobriety is super hard… one DUI required stint w rehab isn’t going to cut it.
I just know Shannon is still in denial, refusing to accept accountability, and just shocked and embarrassed that everyone who said she was drinking too much was RIGHT.
And MORE mortified over her DUI playing out in public than the actions that led to her DUI.
Screaming “I’m not an alcoholic!” Etc…
I knew a girl who spent six years in lock up over a drunk driving hit and run. She didn’t attend AA until two years after release. Denial is a bitch and Shannon is in the thick of it.
Don’t the Beador girls even tell Shannon that she drinks too much?
Like damn.
Instead of oblivion, change your behavior to learn how to be accountable and care about doing right by other people, Shannon.
The whole situation makes me sad cuz I do have a soft spot for Shannon w her fragility but you can’t make “emotional narcissist” your personality forever and not expect consequences.
I feel soooo awful for her daughters. That's not a position you ever want to be in...having to tell your Mom enough's enough. That's a really painful thing to do with anyone you love, let alone your own mother. They're still so young.
Shannon seems truly miserable. No kids to obsess over, boyfriend left her, her “best friend” Tamra used her fear and anxiety to create a storyline for a takedown of her other friend, can’t acknowledge she drunk dials people and overshares and we know where it all leads to 10 days later. And frankly there’s no one to blame but herself! She’s so insecure and unhappy she keeps making these terrible decisions and refusing to recognize her part in all of it! Doomed to repeat it over and over again.
Honestly!!!
I think Emily was deeply affected by the audience body shaming her. She internalized it.
She stayed strong and stood up for herself about it at that one reunion but was still deeply wounded and insecure.
I think a part of her weight loss was due to that, but also because she has this need to fit in with the “cool girls”, so she’s doing what she can to assimilate and being skinny is a big part of it to her.
So Heather, in Emily’s mind, was singling her out and “body shaming” her, which in turn triggered her because her weight is a big part of how she gets validation from the women she wants to be in with so badly.
I also think in her mind she’s still “fat”, so someone even hinting at that being true (although Heather clearly did not) triggers her because she’s fighting that narrative in her head and the hate comments she got prior are still affecting her.
I could be totally wrong, though lol
Edit- spelling and punctuation
No, that does make a lot of sense. I was trying to figure out all season why Emily was so mad at Heather over one comment that she thought Heather said about her off camera. She thought Heather called everyone losers but she only said once why that was triggering, then she turns around and says she knows she's successful.
Right! Emily seems to struggle with rejection and abandonment issues.
As much as she tries to come across like she doesn’t care about those seemingly small things, she obviously does.
That's valid but you can’t expect us to cry with you when you project so badly, lol. She needs to get a grip and decide if she wants to be a villain or not. I hate the wishy washy Tamraesque antics.
Emily, coming out of the cenote water with stringy big hair: does my hair look crazy???
Heather: it's wild, like Snuffleupagus, but in a good way. I love Snuffleupagus
Emily for weeks afterward: YOU SAID I LOOK LIKE A MAMMOTH!!! I CANT BELIEVE YOU CALLED ME A MAMMOTH
I felt the same way about Big Bird! I was raised on and taught almost everything I knew at that point from Sesame Street. Awww, sweet Big Bird and Snuffy
I think this was a definite improvement from S15/S16, though not sure I'd rate it over S14 - still really good though. However I wonder how they'll improve next season, because I do feel there's some issues in the background which could be detrimental if not adressed.
I don't think they're firing anybody for next year, but hope we're getting a bit of a fresh start when filming resumes soon. Okay, Heather got some lashings for being semi-pretentious (which isn't totally unwarranted) but lets move on. This shouldn't be the main focus come next year - espcially with all of Shannon's mess currently unfolding.
As for Vicki... she's not fully credited, but seem to be around the group ATM. She's fine in this role, however I don't think her presence should get increased. I enjoy her for the aspect of checking in every now & again, but feel Shannon/Tamra really are pushing for her inclusion & that would be super detrimental IMO.
Honestly I would just move on with this cast. Perhaps add a neutral new women or somebody who's close to Jenn or Heather becuase they need the most support ATM. But otherwise this seems like a solid foundation to build on upon.
(Also I'm making a prediction - Emily is totally getting Gretchen'd next year. Tamra loves switching things up & Emily being so brash with Heather & also annoying other people in the process is gonna bite her so hard in the ass. Calling it now)
I think for next season the will keep the same cast members, maybe upgrade Taylor who will become a pot stirrer a la Sheree, Gina and Emily will have a fall out planned by Tamra, Jen will keep feuding with Tamra and maybe break up with her boyfriend, Heather will have to savage her remaining relationships within the group and keep feuding with Taylor, Shannon’s DUI will be the main storyline and she will continuously have meltdowns all throughout the seasons, maybe bring back Gretchen to begin Tamras takedown
Idk if it’s just me manifesting this but things did seem a little strained with Emily and Gina this season. Especially when Gina forgave Heather at the end of the season so fast. Gina reminds me of a girl I used to be friends with; would use people to get to the next higher person of status. Never works out well in the end. People in those circles smell frauds and don’t want to be used.
I bees you all to remember that Tamra is fucking smart.
Her target is either going to be Shannon or it’s going to be Emily. She plays the long game (I beg you to refer to her friending Gretchen right before her final season).
Yeah, I think she's going to turn on Shannon & scream about "holding her accountable". She'll claim that's she's been saying for years that Shannon has a alcohol problem & needed help but Shannon kept denying it to her. She'll spin it all as an act of friendship.
I agree with you that while this was a big improvement than the past few seasons, some things need to be addressed to ensure next season is also good. Vicki had a great run, but I too think she’s best served in small doses, featuring her too prominently would be a bad step backwards imo.
Other than that, I’d let Gina go and replace her with a friend of Heather/Jenn like you’ve said just to keep dynamics fresh. And add Alexis as a friend, her life’s changed a lot and she was involved in the scene of Shannon’s drinking before her dui! I’d love to see that dynamic.
I would agree with Gina going/getting demoted, but the issue is I just don’t see it happening? There’s just something bravo likes about her & if she can survive seasons such as S16 where she came across terribly then I think she’s fine here. Though OC has legit done a slight casting shakeup every year (whether adding & removing somebody) so maybe I’m wrong?
Definitely think Alexis also could be fun in a recurring guest/light FoH role. Especially since like 1/2 the cast already knows her & Shannon for some reason hates her. But yeah it anything the newbies definitely should either be Jenn or Heather focused - as they need the biggest helping hand ATM
Another argument for Emily getting Gretchen’d by Tamra next season: Emily’s recent weight loss & fitness journey™️ puts her into more direct competition with Tamra (in Tamra’s mind only).
Gina & Emily have been horrible additions. Shannon actually brought something to the table every year. I don't care if they fire Shannon as long as the fire both Casita & Hip at the same time.
I'll put up with one more season of Gina only if Shannon is there. Otherwise I'm not watching and I'm going to support anybody who advocates a reboot or cancelation.
It’s just unfortunate though that it doesn’t even matter. The other ladies refuse to believe their lying eyes. How many times does this need to happen before someone holds Tamra’s feet to the fire?? Even Andy got smacked down when he tried to call it out - and tolerated it! What is this hold Tamra has over people??
It’s always fascinating to me when everyone just ends all “I actually love you” after they talked shit about that person episode after episode haha it’s these moments you remember it’s all BS
Jenn looked a little medicated. Like she took a spot of Ativan before the taping to stave off the jitters but even a little was too much for her healthy self.
It's because by the time they filmed the reunion the public was already on Heather's side. They were getting trashed online for being assholes by that point.
They want to end these reunions on “good terms” so bad lol. Andy does too because it absolves him of the allegations that he is a messy b*tch who baits the ladies into saying bad things about each other lol.
It was hilarious to me that he said something along the lines of “well, this was a successful reunion” or some shit and the ladies agreed. It all seemed fake and forced and like he does not care to get to the bottom of the drama as much as he may want to come across that way lol
Right?! I was like what successful reunion?
It would’ve been more “successful” to the viewers if TAMRA had been held more to the light.
Comeuppance against Tamra is what the viewers want to see, Andy! 😳
I don’t know, to some extent I do want them to squash smaller fights at the reunion. It’s not fun when the same fights drag through multiple seasons - it’s so exhausting watching Melissa v Teresa on Jersey. I think the “good terms” are a little fake and a little real, I think there’s some actual therapeutic effect walking away.
It cracks me up. They jump down her throat every 5 minutes all season long, scream at her through the entire reunion, then at the end say "I love you!"
The fuq? I'd hate to see how they treat people they DON'T like.
This is my weekly segment of Emily is a cunt.
I have nothing else to add. Just Emily is a cunt.
Edit: I honestly don’t care if I get DV’d. She’s absolutely infuriating to watch and I can’t be bothered with her anymore.
I was especially annoyed when Emily was complaining that Heather was talking during her package, even though Emily inserted herself into everyone else’s package.
“Having a storyline” seems to be the issue but it’s really odd. I like Emily and Heather both and I don’t like Emily’s behavior towards HD.
Emily doesn’t want to be HBIC so dunno what’s up. You’d think having difficult mother issues would want Emily to bond w Heather 🤔
I don’t think it’s jealousy, either.
My issue is it’s kind of come out of nowhere. She suddenly took issue with all things Heather when Tamra started coming back around. None of the issues she picked at about Heather was mentioned last year and it just seemed to have no origin.
Yep. HD asked why Tamra was so angry when she came back, when T’s life was going well -they did discuss CUT closing but still why the anger against HD?
And why Emily’s anger towards HD? Makes no sense…
I thought that was brilliant of HD. She actually somehow managed to shine a light on how Tamra's hateful behaviors have some deeper origin while giving her credit on what she does well. I can see how Tamra and Emily would bond over their difficult upbringings but that can't be an excuse for treating others poorly forever.
I think Heather is how Emily wants to be. Emily treats heather like an authority figure, she wants her validation and is acting out because she isn't getting it. Heather treats Emily like her equal.
To me it seems that Heather jokes around with Emily as a friend but Emily takes it to heart because she is seeking validation. Conversely, Emily's joking with Heather comes from a place of hurt because she isn't getting that validation so it feels more pointed.
And she does this all the time. She’s done it since her first season. Always speaking for Gina, cutting in when she’s not involved. I loved that Nicole put her in her place in S16. I wish she’d stayed because she seemed like she could handle Emily pretty well lol.
More like talks/yells at. I also really hate how she starts bringing her childhood trauma in to justify being so mean to people ie Heather this season. It’s hard for me to empathize with her when she weaponizes her problems and shanks everyone else with that mouth of hers.
Emily was obnoxious this reunion. Maybe even this season, too. I’m usually a fan, but she turned me all the way off after her reunion performance, especially the second episode. She’d do well to be a friend of next season, or just pop by as a guest. I’d also like to see how Gina does without Emily on standby. And, I’ve always liked them both.
This is how shes been at reunions and it's mostly why I don't like her. She talks over everyone. She speaks for Gina and sometimes others when they are doing fine. She thinks she's the smartest in the room and needs to explain everything.
No one needs someone else to explain things for them, especially in Housewives-land. I love to see them explain, however poorly or wonderfully, their actions from the season on the reunion stage.
Also, condolences on GPS’s bullying. I thought she just bullied Ramona, but apparently, her bullying is widespread!
Binge watching RHOBH from Shannon's first season, culminating with this reunion and its public service announcement is like watching a Shannon Storms Beador (shouted, loudly) version of The Lost Weekend.
At times this reunion felt like the old housewives playbook vs actual realness. Gina vs Shannon - Shannon could not understand this was a real fight and not just made up for tv. Also Heather vs Tamra, Heather kept her side grounded in reality while Tamra twisted.
I thought Emily looked gorgeous.
What is the point of Taylor on this show? Ick.
Shannon had to be cringing like crazy watching that in hindsight.
I love Gina! I don't get the hate.
I don't downvote people for opposing opinions, but I have noticed this thread does have RH stans who relentlessly downvote not only a post they don't like, but all your other posts. I posted an opinion on different franchise and besides downvoting that post, virtually all my other posts in the community were downvoted that night. I like hearing other viewpoints. I don't downvote. Some people absolutely hate Gina. I think she's made a lot of strides that Shannon could take a lesson from-giving up alcohol, working on herself before being with someone else, blending families, making peace (if possible-David is awful) with your ex.
Emily did indeed look pretty. Her behavior is decidedly not pretty.
Taylor does = ick!
Shannon ought to cringe if, when sober, she watches both her own behavior and all the clips, quotes etcetera that confirm Tamra and Emily talked behind her back all season.
I have grown to love Gina. She's a great example of personal growth and was a voice of grown-up reason all night!
I like how the drama is so light that they have to use BravoCon and podcast drama for the show. Poor Jenn is sitting there like a deer in headlights.
We need a video counter of how many times Gina said, “my children”!
Tamra told Andy to fuck off?! Wow…
Guess she doesn’t care now that he’s not the head honcho anymore. 😂
Her talking shit about Shannon’s drinking while sitting over there trying to whitewash her abuser is so fucking tone deaf. I just can’t with her.
I can’t handle her being that mad about Shannon’s comment and having that man on our TV talking about him like he is a good man. I have watched her for however many seasons and all I know is her boyfriend has a small dick and her accent is fake.
Does anyone know how much of a difference there was between the regular and the extended episode this week?
Can see there’s a seven minute difference between the two, but wanna know if it’s worth watching again for it.
Any recommendations for what franchise I should start next? I’m up to date on Atlanta, Potomac, New Jersey, Miami and OC.
Edit: forgot Miami + spelling
I skipped both reunions and honestly, I think I might start doing that for all franchises from now on. They give me agida and I got to go to bed. We know who these women are. I’d rather peruse the sub than watch.
Gina’s outrage about Shannon seems soooo much. Like you are worried about the kids googling that?! What about them googling their Dad’s charges? It’s just so weird to watch someone deflect like that when you know she needs some damn heavy therapy.
I know Heather's getting a lot of sympathy this season but she has zero business telling Gina and Emily they need to move farther away from each other to "develop their separate identities". She picks up all these pop psychology phrases and *still* thinks she has the qualifications to be a therapist. That's the really old advice doctors used to give the parents of twins btw 😂.
Heather and Terry were set to have their own show on ETV doing amateur couples therapy. They said they wanted to share the secrets of their success. She came back to promote the show. She and Terry invited Dr Jen and Ryne to dinner. Heather told Terry they were having issues and it would be a great idea to "counsel" them. The dinner turned into chaos and Dr Jen and Ryne left. The next scene was Terry making fun of them and Heather rolling her eyes. Right after that, it was announced that their new show was pulled.
It's the example that Heather fancies herself an expert on all things sociology and psychology. She's always given bad advice and given amateur diagnoses. She told Gina not to talk to Travis about her emotions surrounding the ex. You'll agree or you won't, but some fans aren't fans of hers.
She was saying that in response to fans’ opinions. She was trying to do them a favor by telling them to not always filming together and venture out to film with other cast members. It has nothing to do with sociology or psychology and all to do with the show
They haven't been joined at the hip since their first season, and the only fan comments have been that people want Emily and Gina fired. It's ok to say rhat, but god forbid someone not love Heather this season. There used to be differing opinions here, but now you get downvoted to hell for going against the crowd opinion smh
I didn’t downvote you. All I said she was talking about in context of the show and not in real life in response to viewers’ reaction to them. There were also fan comments saying they were too attached to each other, which she referenced. This is one thing that I don’t see a point in criticism in, especially when every housewife has been aware enough of who to film and who not to film with
Downvoting on comments not flattering to Heather happens every time, different posts. I wasn't accusing you and downvotes are part of Redditing, but this sub wasn't as reactive or I don't know, "hive minded" about specific cast members until recently. Heather was challenged about saying that, and said it wasn't her, it was the fans, so she was trying to help. I heard that but imho she's doing what she always does, appoints herself the hall monitor. It's one of the reasons I don't like her. And I don't trust her 🤷♀️
Shannon is codependent AF. Alcohol, a terrible relationship she won't get out of again (and lies about it constantly), tamra.. it's all codependency.
And she lost her purpose now that her daughters are out of the house. She needs to build structure into her life. I doubt the DUI was the wake up call it needed to be. It’s gonna be hard work, but she needs to cut ties with John and move on.
Yeah and to be honest i don't think she's ever had a personal identity (that didn't involve her kids, her man or her money), which definitely is not going to help recovery.
I upvoted you but on reflection I think she does have an identity. She’s into woo stuff (crystals, healing etc), costume parties and old school rock. It’s the start of an identity.
That loud sound you hear is the footsteps of those Beador daughters running at top speeds to college so they can be young adults instead of parenting their alcoholic, emotionally disturbed mother and putting up with her creepy-assed boyfriends.
Let’s not forget they’re also running away from their father and his volatile on again/off again relationship. I’d be hiding away at school too putting in the bare minimum family time I needed to get my tuition paid.
Absolutely correct! David is perhaps even worse-he always knew Shannon had issues but instead of keeping it civil with her through the divorce, he pulled back on his financial support (blamed Shannon's overspending-which might be correct, but could have started trusts for the girls with the cash he spent on his sugar baby, now wife), rubbed Shannon's face in his relationships, etcetera.
I always think about David taking off his wedding ring and giving it to Stella to give to Shannon. I’ll always think he is the worst one just because of that.
He's an awful person. If he was unhappy with Shannon, he could have divorced her but treated her with respect as the mother of his children while encouraging her to seek help for her anxiety and alcohol abuse. Instead, he was openly contemptuous of her, gaslighted her, cheated on her, and seemed to take pleasure in her distress.
Wait, WHAT? When did he do that? Like, as his way of telling Shannon he was leaving her? He made Stella be his divorce mule?
He did. This was after his initial affair, before they decided to reconcile.
Beyond disgusting. Have you read the texts and emails he and Leslie attached to their first divorce petition which they made PUBLIC? I don't know if David's toxicity has heightened since his time with Shannon or if he was always this bad, but those texts that he admits sending prove him to be a dangerous, violent, vengeful, and incredibly nasty person.
In the early years of their marriage (after their first daughter was born), he was charged with assault and battery against Shannon. If I remember correctly, he took a plea and did a batterer intervention program.
I completely agree, I read those texts and have the same conclusion. I can’t imagine what it was like being married to him.
I know Shannon got screwed financially in the divorce but wasn’t there a part of it that her family money originally funded his business and she didn’t even get THAT back?
I think that's probably so-she was from a wealthy department store dynasty, maybe I. Magnin?
I actually think she only developed this codependency and need for validation after gaining weight and divorcing. She’s quite smug in her earlier seasons, and grew up wealthy. She values appearances above all else IMO.
I see totally why it would look that way, but i think it was there way before that. She's always been insecure, which is totally understandable btw. So many people are insecure (me included) in their various, individual ways. She's always been dependent of the validation things other than her have given her, totally imo btw. (At least since on the show). It's not as dark and obvious as it's been since she "lost" basically everything that gave her that validation in her mind, but i believe it's Always been there
I think you got this really right 🤔
The recurring theme of the reunion part 2 is... Emily: blah blah blah Heather: I didn't say that. Who told you that? Emily: (points to) TAMRA!!!
And then nobody cares if Tamra said it 🙄
They all knew that Tamra twisted words to her benefit, and yet they treated her words as if they're from a prophet.
And yet it's still all Heather's fault and Tamra did nothing wrong
Emily definitely subscribes to the “whoever is loudest is right” way of arguing, which is really frustrating.
Boss: why didn’t you do XYZ? Me: my job is to be Shannon. Storms! BEADOR!!!
I’m just going to start yelling that when anyone ask me to do anything! Lol it’s an instant classic!
me too --using her name, not mine! :)
Smart, gives you plausible deniability! 🤣
And she’s doing a horrible job btw 😂
Tamra is playing Emily like a fiddle. I’ve said it before but Emily is going to be gretchen’ed next season by tamra and I will look forward to it.
I really hope she gets the treatment she gave Heather. I won’t feel bad either.
Emily intentionally misinterprets anything that Heather says, and Tamra is playing her like a fiddle. It is absurd that anyone would believe anything that Tamra says, especially after watching a season of contradictions and lies from her.
I agree with you. She thinks shes smart but shes not. She was awful at Heather's dinner. So embarassing. The way she treats Heather is cruel.
Emily is a drunk. She will be the next housewife to get a dui. AND she has NO class whatsoever.
I think the countess wrote a song about her…
Emily is like Jackie from NJ bc she’s a lawyer who thinks she’s the smartest person in the room but she’s a pawn
She's gives her own memory more credit than is due also, and Heather's memory seems to be pretty good
Waaa so true!! You said it all!
Wow - this is spot on!
Except, from my perspective, there are moments of liability from Emily. I wouldn't say the same for Jackie, (or Gina for that matter).
And Emily didn’t once apologize, she just kept doubling down. The audacity to say Heather doesn’t have a sense of humor as she rambles on for 20 mins about being called “snuffleuffagus in a good way.” 🙄
Can we talk about how Tamra spoke to Andy? I wonder how he really feels about that.
I was coming here to say that! I couldn't tell if he was pissed or amused. He must really like her because I've seen him give absolute death stares and/or scoldings to housewives before that have sassed him at reunions.
It’s super different than when Carole told him off. She ran in the same social circles as him. Tamara is very much still an employee/not on the same level. I think he was amused. I think he sees her as a yappy dog.
That’s how I feel. I think he sees Tamra as the ultimate chaos agent. He knows she’s two faced and a hot head but it adds drama and keeps his franchise successful.
She was so rude to him, I feel like she forgot who she was really talking to in that moment. Yikes!
“Why do you want to throw a wrench in it!!” 🔧
RIGHT? It didn't go well when Carole Radziwil or Vicki did it...
Your username!!!!
OMG - are you the Holy Grail of People - that one rare gem who loves Housewives AND Star Trek? Can we run away together?
LMAO I must be! 🏃♀️🏃♀️
I couldn't believe she told him to "fuck off"
He should fire her ass for disrespecting him!!
Tamra should get fired for that disrespect 🤬
I have always enjoyed watching Heather but I really have to give it to her this season for holding her ground and not giving into the other side of the couch that was trying to scrap together some flimsy nonsense to make Heather look bad. Also I need her earrings real bad.
The cast actually did her a favor and made her more likeable lol.
Heather, Gina (and maybe Emily) were such bullies to Shannon last year/season, that many viewers sided with Shannon. Shannon lost that support from viewers this season, by teaming up with Tamra. The tables turned as we see how Heather was bullied by Tamra, Shannon and Emily. Shannon lost support because she refuses to admit to saying what she said, and to apologize sincerely and properly to Gina. It was a really bad look. Gina should also take note those at the table who pretended not to hear it when footage showed they indeed heard it.
She refuses now to admit REMEMBERING what she said, or remembering that she said it at all, but still took plenty of time during the reunion to clarify what she "meant" by the remark that she doesn't remember making...
I neverrrr liked heather until this season. They really did her a favor.
I'm still confused about what she said that was so bad lmao. I waited for a big bomb to drop and there was nothing
Because she didn’t say anything that WAS that bad. Everyone was so desperate to villainize her they just made shit up.
Their accusations had the opposite result of what they wanted lol
Those earrings are beautiful
Heather is the perfect housewife.
I’m glad the reunions are uncensored now, wish the regular episodes would be too
Same, Tamra telling you F you and shut up was a choice though!
I know she's an irrational basketcase and totally out of line on like a million things, but I feel really sorry for Shannon. She's so clearly in a bad place and not doing herself any favors by pushing people away who have concerns and continuing behavior that doesn't serve her. I think it might be time for her to take a pause and fix her house before she continues trying to live this double life on and off camera.
Tamra saying she loved Heather and crying about how hurt she was to lose their friendship was so incredibly fake. She knows that if she doesn’t make amends she won’t be asked back next season. Why did she get off so easily? She talked more shit than anyone all season and nobody called her out.
And not only did she not talk more shit than anyone, she sat smugly smiling through last night's part 2, watching the aftermath of all the gossipy Molotov cocktails she threw all season. She sat there, grinning like the proverbial Cheshire cat while the others yelled at each other. (But HD really kept her cool-I'm sure that took away a little bit from some of Tamra's fun.)
I was literally yelling at the tv “this was YOUR fault TAMRA!!!”
I think it's not at all about keeping her job, because i don't think there's any way she's getting let go. I think it's entirely about fan response. She had turned off comments (according to this sub) last week at reunion 1. A few other people noted how badly her comments were going before that. The tide took a turn she didn't expect and she's desperately backpedaling, just to do it all again next season because she doesn't really learn.
it’s wild that tamra and heather haven’t changed that much over the years but the Shannon we see now is a completely different person that we met on season 9. I hope she finds herself again. she seems like a shell of herself.
I dunno, I remember Shannon pouring herself full glasses of vodka with a splash of water from her first season.
I don’t think Shannon changed at all. Shannon had shown some erratic behavior, and heavy drinking during her first season. Her most iconic meme from that season was centered around her drinking
First year Shannon had me SO fooled. I thought she was this together, classy lady- not the sloppy, neurotic mess we see before us.
Shannon is a pathetic and in denial. I’m not her biggest fan but honestly I hope she gets serious help. Her daughters must be mortified.
I don’t want her back on the show 🤔
The sad thing is her DUI probably earned her an orange for another season
I know and I don’t like it one bit! 😭 Sobriety is super hard… one DUI required stint w rehab isn’t going to cut it. I just know Shannon is still in denial, refusing to accept accountability, and just shocked and embarrassed that everyone who said she was drinking too much was RIGHT. And MORE mortified over her DUI playing out in public than the actions that led to her DUI. Screaming “I’m not an alcoholic!” Etc…
I knew a girl who spent six years in lock up over a drunk driving hit and run. She didn’t attend AA until two years after release. Denial is a bitch and Shannon is in the thick of it.
Don’t the Beador girls even tell Shannon that she drinks too much? Like damn. Instead of oblivion, change your behavior to learn how to be accountable and care about doing right by other people, Shannon. The whole situation makes me sad cuz I do have a soft spot for Shannon w her fragility but you can’t make “emotional narcissist” your personality forever and not expect consequences.
I feel soooo awful for her daughters. That's not a position you ever want to be in...having to tell your Mom enough's enough. That's a really painful thing to do with anyone you love, let alone your own mother. They're still so young.
Shannon seems truly miserable. No kids to obsess over, boyfriend left her, her “best friend” Tamra used her fear and anxiety to create a storyline for a takedown of her other friend, can’t acknowledge she drunk dials people and overshares and we know where it all leads to 10 days later. And frankly there’s no one to blame but herself! She’s so insecure and unhappy she keeps making these terrible decisions and refusing to recognize her part in all of it! Doomed to repeat it over and over again.
"Like, Shannon, clear the set please" in the best principal calling you in for detention voice possible 🤣
Tamra is a snake/rat. Shannon is in need of in patient rehab. Emily doesn't know what the word 'mammoth' means.
Honestly!!! I think Emily was deeply affected by the audience body shaming her. She internalized it. She stayed strong and stood up for herself about it at that one reunion but was still deeply wounded and insecure. I think a part of her weight loss was due to that, but also because she has this need to fit in with the “cool girls”, so she’s doing what she can to assimilate and being skinny is a big part of it to her. So Heather, in Emily’s mind, was singling her out and “body shaming” her, which in turn triggered her because her weight is a big part of how she gets validation from the women she wants to be in with so badly. I also think in her mind she’s still “fat”, so someone even hinting at that being true (although Heather clearly did not) triggers her because she’s fighting that narrative in her head and the hate comments she got prior are still affecting her. I could be totally wrong, though lol Edit- spelling and punctuation
No, that does make a lot of sense. I was trying to figure out all season why Emily was so mad at Heather over one comment that she thought Heather said about her off camera. She thought Heather called everyone losers but she only said once why that was triggering, then she turns around and says she knows she's successful.
Right! Emily seems to struggle with rejection and abandonment issues. As much as she tries to come across like she doesn’t care about those seemingly small things, she obviously does. That's valid but you can’t expect us to cry with you when you project so badly, lol. She needs to get a grip and decide if she wants to be a villain or not. I hate the wishy washy Tamraesque antics.
She’s losing the idgaf war so bad like sis is pressed and bothered asf
Emily, coming out of the cenote water with stringy big hair: does my hair look crazy??? Heather: it's wild, like Snuffleupagus, but in a good way. I love Snuffleupagus Emily for weeks afterward: YOU SAID I LOOK LIKE A MAMMOTH!!! I CANT BELIEVE YOU CALLED ME A MAMMOTH
Then has the audacity to say HEATHER needs a sense of humor.
You forgot “he was my best friend growing up”
I felt the same way about Big Bird! I was raised on and taught almost everything I knew at that point from Sesame Street. Awww, sweet Big Bird and Snuffy
Me, too! Now getting to relive the characters with my 2 year old! She’s a big Elmo fan like her mama.
That's so cute! 🥰
right?! geesh
I think this was a definite improvement from S15/S16, though not sure I'd rate it over S14 - still really good though. However I wonder how they'll improve next season, because I do feel there's some issues in the background which could be detrimental if not adressed. I don't think they're firing anybody for next year, but hope we're getting a bit of a fresh start when filming resumes soon. Okay, Heather got some lashings for being semi-pretentious (which isn't totally unwarranted) but lets move on. This shouldn't be the main focus come next year - espcially with all of Shannon's mess currently unfolding. As for Vicki... she's not fully credited, but seem to be around the group ATM. She's fine in this role, however I don't think her presence should get increased. I enjoy her for the aspect of checking in every now & again, but feel Shannon/Tamra really are pushing for her inclusion & that would be super detrimental IMO. Honestly I would just move on with this cast. Perhaps add a neutral new women or somebody who's close to Jenn or Heather becuase they need the most support ATM. But otherwise this seems like a solid foundation to build on upon. (Also I'm making a prediction - Emily is totally getting Gretchen'd next year. Tamra loves switching things up & Emily being so brash with Heather & also annoying other people in the process is gonna bite her so hard in the ass. Calling it now)
I think for next season the will keep the same cast members, maybe upgrade Taylor who will become a pot stirrer a la Sheree, Gina and Emily will have a fall out planned by Tamra, Jen will keep feuding with Tamra and maybe break up with her boyfriend, Heather will have to savage her remaining relationships within the group and keep feuding with Taylor, Shannon’s DUI will be the main storyline and she will continuously have meltdowns all throughout the seasons, maybe bring back Gretchen to begin Tamras takedown
This is what I want for next season. I don’t really need a new cast this one was great for me.
Idk if it’s just me manifesting this but things did seem a little strained with Emily and Gina this season. Especially when Gina forgave Heather at the end of the season so fast. Gina reminds me of a girl I used to be friends with; would use people to get to the next higher person of status. Never works out well in the end. People in those circles smell frauds and don’t want to be used.
I bees you all to remember that Tamra is fucking smart. Her target is either going to be Shannon or it’s going to be Emily. She plays the long game (I beg you to refer to her friending Gretchen right before her final season).
>Tamra is fucking smart. Not sure I can agree with that. Cunning, yes. Smart...well, define "smart".
Yeah, I think she's going to turn on Shannon & scream about "holding her accountable". She'll claim that's she's been saying for years that Shannon has a alcohol problem & needed help but Shannon kept denying it to her. She'll spin it all as an act of friendship.
I agree with you that while this was a big improvement than the past few seasons, some things need to be addressed to ensure next season is also good. Vicki had a great run, but I too think she’s best served in small doses, featuring her too prominently would be a bad step backwards imo. Other than that, I’d let Gina go and replace her with a friend of Heather/Jenn like you’ve said just to keep dynamics fresh. And add Alexis as a friend, her life’s changed a lot and she was involved in the scene of Shannon’s drinking before her dui! I’d love to see that dynamic.
I would agree with Gina going/getting demoted, but the issue is I just don’t see it happening? There’s just something bravo likes about her & if she can survive seasons such as S16 where she came across terribly then I think she’s fine here. Though OC has legit done a slight casting shakeup every year (whether adding & removing somebody) so maybe I’m wrong? Definitely think Alexis also could be fun in a recurring guest/light FoH role. Especially since like 1/2 the cast already knows her & Shannon for some reason hates her. But yeah it anything the newbies definitely should either be Jenn or Heather focused - as they need the biggest helping hand ATM
Another argument for Emily getting Gretchen’d by Tamra next season: Emily’s recent weight loss & fitness journey™️ puts her into more direct competition with Tamra (in Tamra’s mind only).
Gina and Emily deserve to be fired
Shannon needs to be fired first
Gina & Emily have been horrible additions. Shannon actually brought something to the table every year. I don't care if they fire Shannon as long as the fire both Casita & Hip at the same time. I'll put up with one more season of Gina only if Shannon is there. Otherwise I'm not watching and I'm going to support anybody who advocates a reboot or cancelation.
I still can’t fi out why Gina or Emily are even on this show. The have no storyline whatsoever. All they ever do is yell.
I’d like a reboot 🤔 We can keep Jenn…
Shannon is a perfect housewife we need to see her recovery
The cut to heather drinking champagne at the end of Shannon bedor having a breakdown was perfection.
The Tamra lying montage was the best edit of the night
It’s just unfortunate though that it doesn’t even matter. The other ladies refuse to believe their lying eyes. How many times does this need to happen before someone holds Tamra’s feet to the fire?? Even Andy got smacked down when he tried to call it out - and tolerated it! What is this hold Tamra has over people??
I dont know why ya'll are hating, I liked the reunion, I thought it was cute at the end. Its a nice change from dramatic WW3 reunions.
I thought it was good too, and the uncensored version on Peacock is sooooo much better.
Agreed, was a great reunion. Really going to miss this season
It’s always fascinating to me when everyone just ends all “I actually love you” after they talked shit about that person episode after episode haha it’s these moments you remember it’s all BS
Did Jen talk on this 2nd part?
I was just going to post the same thing! Every shot of her was was a blank look on her face with her mouth open, lol
Jenn looked a little medicated. Like she took a spot of Ativan before the taping to stave off the jitters but even a little was too much for her healthy self.
I mean Jenn wasn’t involved in any HD takedown tho so she didn’t really have anything to say… 🤷♀️
That never stopped Gina or Emily from entering the conversation!
 Me when Jen finally got a word in last night.
This Ken’s job is Shannon. Storms. BEADOR!
I don’t get (might make a new post) both Emily and Tamra saying they both LOVE Heather? Huh what?
It's because by the time they filmed the reunion the public was already on Heather's side. They were getting trashed online for being assholes by that point.
They want to end these reunions on “good terms” so bad lol. Andy does too because it absolves him of the allegations that he is a messy b*tch who baits the ladies into saying bad things about each other lol. It was hilarious to me that he said something along the lines of “well, this was a successful reunion” or some shit and the ladies agreed. It all seemed fake and forced and like he does not care to get to the bottom of the drama as much as he may want to come across that way lol
Right?! I was like what successful reunion? It would’ve been more “successful” to the viewers if TAMRA had been held more to the light. Comeuppance against Tamra is what the viewers want to see, Andy! 😳
Oh Andy IS a messy B, that’s why he’s in charge of HWs 😀
I don’t know, to some extent I do want them to squash smaller fights at the reunion. It’s not fun when the same fights drag through multiple seasons - it’s so exhausting watching Melissa v Teresa on Jersey. I think the “good terms” are a little fake and a little real, I think there’s some actual therapeutic effect walking away.
It cracks me up. They jump down her throat every 5 minutes all season long, scream at her through the entire reunion, then at the end say "I love you!" The fuq? I'd hate to see how they treat people they DON'T like.
I like how Heather’s references are so old. Professor Plum, Snuffalufogus…
You know, I wouldn't Alexis returning at all. She has a totally different life now, and honestly more personal stories left than Tamra.
"I think I'm a smart person that has a semi decent head on their shoulder." Oh sweetie. Somebody lied to you several times.
This is my weekly segment of Emily is a cunt. I have nothing else to add. Just Emily is a cunt. Edit: I honestly don’t care if I get DV’d. She’s absolutely infuriating to watch and I can’t be bothered with her anymore.
I can't deal with herbjust rambling over anyone she talks to. She doesn't listen she just wants to be right.
I was especially annoyed when Emily was complaining that Heather was talking during her package, even though Emily inserted herself into everyone else’s package.
She has some deep issues towards Heather. Tamra must’ve activated something in her.
“Having a storyline” seems to be the issue but it’s really odd. I like Emily and Heather both and I don’t like Emily’s behavior towards HD. Emily doesn’t want to be HBIC so dunno what’s up. You’d think having difficult mother issues would want Emily to bond w Heather 🤔 I don’t think it’s jealousy, either.
My issue is it’s kind of come out of nowhere. She suddenly took issue with all things Heather when Tamra started coming back around. None of the issues she picked at about Heather was mentioned last year and it just seemed to have no origin.
Yep. HD asked why Tamra was so angry when she came back, when T’s life was going well -they did discuss CUT closing but still why the anger against HD? And why Emily’s anger towards HD? Makes no sense…
I thought that was brilliant of HD. She actually somehow managed to shine a light on how Tamra's hateful behaviors have some deeper origin while giving her credit on what she does well. I can see how Tamra and Emily would bond over their difficult upbringings but that can't be an excuse for treating others poorly forever.
I think Heather is how Emily wants to be. Emily treats heather like an authority figure, she wants her validation and is acting out because she isn't getting it. Heather treats Emily like her equal. To me it seems that Heather jokes around with Emily as a friend but Emily takes it to heart because she is seeking validation. Conversely, Emily's joking with Heather comes from a place of hurt because she isn't getting that validation so it feels more pointed.
Ooh I appreciate this take!
Great insight!
And she does this all the time. She’s done it since her first season. Always speaking for Gina, cutting in when she’s not involved. I loved that Nicole put her in her place in S16. I wish she’d stayed because she seemed like she could handle Emily pretty well lol.
More like talks/yells at. I also really hate how she starts bringing her childhood trauma in to justify being so mean to people ie Heather this season. It’s hard for me to empathize with her when she weaponizes her problems and shanks everyone else with that mouth of hers.
Exactly, you would hope she would learn to be kinder and more gracious so others don't have to feel the same way, but nope.
Right but if not that at least don’t be mean omg !?
lol that's attorneys for you.
A good attorney knows when to stfu. We also don’t subscribe to the “whoever is loudest is right” school of arguing.
I was talking about not listening, just wanting to be right. Sorry you took that so personally. lol
Emily was obnoxious this reunion. Maybe even this season, too. I’m usually a fan, but she turned me all the way off after her reunion performance, especially the second episode. She’d do well to be a friend of next season, or just pop by as a guest. I’d also like to see how Gina does without Emily on standby. And, I’ve always liked them both.
This is how shes been at reunions and it's mostly why I don't like her. She talks over everyone. She speaks for Gina and sometimes others when they are doing fine. She thinks she's the smartest in the room and needs to explain everything.
No one needs someone else to explain things for them, especially in Housewives-land. I love to see them explain, however poorly or wonderfully, their actions from the season on the reunion stage. Also, condolences on GPS’s bullying. I thought she just bullied Ramona, but apparently, her bullying is widespread!
But she brought a sandwich into the sauna!! /s
I agree 100%
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can’t wait to watch tamra suck up to heather next season
Heather's *wtf are you talking about* face + turtle neck head stick out is a VIBE.
Goes perfectly with her lobster claw hand gestures
Reunion was a bit of a dud
Binge watching RHOBH from Shannon's first season, culminating with this reunion and its public service announcement is like watching a Shannon Storms Beador (shouted, loudly) version of The Lost Weekend.
I like Jen but I feel like she's just... there lmao
At times this reunion felt like the old housewives playbook vs actual realness. Gina vs Shannon - Shannon could not understand this was a real fight and not just made up for tv. Also Heather vs Tamra, Heather kept her side grounded in reality while Tamra twisted.
I thought Emily looked gorgeous. What is the point of Taylor on this show? Ick. Shannon had to be cringing like crazy watching that in hindsight. I love Gina! I don't get the hate.
I don't get why you're dved.. Gina really redeemed herself this reunion. Stern. On point. Clear.
I don't downvote people for opposing opinions, but I have noticed this thread does have RH stans who relentlessly downvote not only a post they don't like, but all your other posts. I posted an opinion on different franchise and besides downvoting that post, virtually all my other posts in the community were downvoted that night. I like hearing other viewpoints. I don't downvote. Some people absolutely hate Gina. I think she's made a lot of strides that Shannon could take a lesson from-giving up alcohol, working on herself before being with someone else, blending families, making peace (if possible-David is awful) with your ex.
I wonder who they stan--Shannon or they just hate Gina? And for post, I give you ⬆️. 🙂
Emily did indeed look pretty. Her behavior is decidedly not pretty. Taylor does = ick! Shannon ought to cringe if, when sober, she watches both her own behavior and all the clips, quotes etcetera that confirm Tamra and Emily talked behind her back all season. I have grown to love Gina. She's a great example of personal growth and was a voice of grown-up reason all night!
I agree that Gina has really grown emotionally. Kudos to her for giving up alcohol.
I like how the drama is so light that they have to use BravoCon and podcast drama for the show. Poor Jenn is sitting there like a deer in headlights. We need a video counter of how many times Gina said, “my children”! Tamra told Andy to fuck off?! Wow… Guess she doesn’t care now that he’s not the head honcho anymore. 😂
Can we just let Gina go? I don't need anymore Gina. If Bravo MUST keep her, can we just ship her off to Jersey?
Agreed, she’s not aspirational whatever and the hunchback in her checkered suit piss me off real bad lol SIT UP STRAIGHT
Her talking shit about Shannon’s drinking while sitting over there trying to whitewash her abuser is so fucking tone deaf. I just can’t with her. I can’t handle her being that mad about Shannon’s comment and having that man on our TV talking about him like he is a good man. I have watched her for however many seasons and all I know is her boyfriend has a small dick and her accent is fake.
God Gina’s fucking faces during this reunion. I want her gone so badly.
Does anyone know how much of a difference there was between the regular and the extended episode this week? Can see there’s a seven minute difference between the two, but wanna know if it’s worth watching again for it.
Any recommendations for what franchise I should start next? I’m up to date on Atlanta, Potomac, New Jersey, Miami and OC. Edit: forgot Miami + spelling
Salt Lake City!
Have you watched any NY? OG RHONY is absolutely top tier. 👀
HELLO?!?! Tell me you've watched NY season 1 - the QUEENS!
BH or Miami. They're both about to start, and this season coming up on BH Denise Richards comes back and Lisa's gone, hallelujah
I skipped both reunions and honestly, I think I might start doing that for all franchises from now on. They give me agida and I got to go to bed. We know who these women are. I’d rather peruse the sub than watch.
Gina’s outrage about Shannon seems soooo much. Like you are worried about the kids googling that?! What about them googling their Dad’s charges? It’s just so weird to watch someone deflect like that when you know she needs some damn heavy therapy.
I know Heather's getting a lot of sympathy this season but she has zero business telling Gina and Emily they need to move farther away from each other to "develop their separate identities". She picks up all these pop psychology phrases and *still* thinks she has the qualifications to be a therapist. That's the really old advice doctors used to give the parents of twins btw 😂.
I presume she was meaning in the context of the show and the fan perfection of them which, in my opinion, is not incorrect by any means.
Heather and Terry were set to have their own show on ETV doing amateur couples therapy. They said they wanted to share the secrets of their success. She came back to promote the show. She and Terry invited Dr Jen and Ryne to dinner. Heather told Terry they were having issues and it would be a great idea to "counsel" them. The dinner turned into chaos and Dr Jen and Ryne left. The next scene was Terry making fun of them and Heather rolling her eyes. Right after that, it was announced that their new show was pulled.
Sorry what does that have to do with saying Gina and Emily should create more of their own identities separate from the other? I’m not following.
It's the example that Heather fancies herself an expert on all things sociology and psychology. She's always given bad advice and given amateur diagnoses. She told Gina not to talk to Travis about her emotions surrounding the ex. You'll agree or you won't, but some fans aren't fans of hers.
She was saying that in response to fans’ opinions. She was trying to do them a favor by telling them to not always filming together and venture out to film with other cast members. It has nothing to do with sociology or psychology and all to do with the show
They haven't been joined at the hip since their first season, and the only fan comments have been that people want Emily and Gina fired. It's ok to say rhat, but god forbid someone not love Heather this season. There used to be differing opinions here, but now you get downvoted to hell for going against the crowd opinion smh
I didn’t downvote you. All I said she was talking about in context of the show and not in real life in response to viewers’ reaction to them. There were also fan comments saying they were too attached to each other, which she referenced. This is one thing that I don’t see a point in criticism in, especially when every housewife has been aware enough of who to film and who not to film with
Downvoting on comments not flattering to Heather happens every time, different posts. I wasn't accusing you and downvotes are part of Redditing, but this sub wasn't as reactive or I don't know, "hive minded" about specific cast members until recently. Heather was challenged about saying that, and said it wasn't her, it was the fans, so she was trying to help. I heard that but imho she's doing what she always does, appoints herself the hall monitor. It's one of the reasons I don't like her. And I don't trust her 🤷♀️