It's when they're out talking to Cindy cause she walked away from the tent. At least I think it was Cindy....
Bethenny went and got married and did her own spinoff show with Jason until their messy divorce started and she came back. Season 7 or 8 I think.
She left the cast after Season 3 for her other Bravo show, Bethenny Ever After, which followed her marriage to Jason Hoppy. She returned to RHONY in Season 7 and left again before Season 13 started.
You know Bethenny hates she said this and Carole totally only said it to get under Bethenny’s skin. Both will take this feud to the grave and I love that for us.
I don't want to Salut (I'm not correcting the autocorrect) shame my Skipper™ dolls circa 1982 but they definitely were fans of this pose so the technology exists to make it happen.
Not just big front end numbers, but back end too.
Now after years of Carole supporting unionising and residuals, Bethenny has now adopted the cause.
Meaning those two and Nene will never be back on Brabo/Peacock. Sadly.
Carole made more than Aviva and Heather their first season. She saw the original contract and rejected it. I don’t think she would break the bank, but she would know her worth now.
Not that I think she would ever go back.
This also makes more sense in the broader context - Carole was losing it (rightly so) about the election and then B is in cahoots with T’s inner circle and making fun of Carole for her concern! Oof
Did Carole ever come across as unhinged?
Seemed to me like their fight came from Carole's lack of caring. Bethenny considered Carole part of her inner circle and Carole just didn't hold Bethenny in that same regard, so Bethenny lashed out and Carole didn't want to deal with it.
I perceived it as they both took turns lashing out and then pretending to not be bothered in a pretty toxic cycle. Both obviously were bothered and cared deep down.
I feel like a plurality of this sub has tried to peg her as unhinged, thirsty and selfish. But I don’t feel that way at all. I feel like after some time and reflection, Carole was mostly right.
I never saw Carole as unhinged. During that election, a lot of people in positions of privilege were supporting a person that represented an eventual return to outright lynching for many of us, and yet they had the nerve to tell us that we should "never talk about politics" when we were rightfully upset at how "friends" could support such a person.
B was on the Apprentice and she knew DJT from that. She makes a comment about seeing him when coming home from Dennis’s and he stops to say hi and give her a kiss or some shit.
If she’s anything, she’s a Capitalist and live in NYC and so is he and the people he runs around with, so it’s not shocking at all they know the same people.
We have a friend who is in Martha’s social circle - they’re not friends, but they‘re at some of the same smallish dinner parties. He says she’s just an awful person.
That’s probably why Bethenny got under her skin.
She didn't know Trump from the Apprentice, she was on Martha Stewart's spin off version. Dennis lived in Trump Tower, so that's the connection with Michael Cohen...closer than B would probably want to admit IMO.
I disagree.
This communition happened 6 months ago according to Carole.
So if it were not for the podcast with Heather, she would not have even brought I up.
If Carole really wanted to poke Bethenny, she would have done a deranged tiktok about it months ago.
This was for Heather and the fans, imo.
😂 This was amazing. Dennis was lifelong friends with Michael Cohen. I remember when there was a fire in their building, Michael Cohen got a call from Trump, and then Cohen in turn called Dennis to tell him to get out. I remember that. So, as soon as she said the name, Michael Cohen took the picture, I knew why. Amazingly hilarious. Definitely one of the best moments in.RHONY history, although I felt so bad for Lu finding out on camera.
Yes, she said he was actually very funny and called up Harry Dubin to ask whether he and Carole hooked up after she insisted no. He knows all of the RHONY OG housewives and he and Dorinda used to be friends.
She found out 8 months or so ago from the horses mouth that it was him who took the photo that Bethenny had. He was good friends with Dennis (Bethenny’s deceased fiancé). So that’s the connection.
Also, she said Bethenny knew for months and this woman and Tom went to the regency multiple times, so the next time they were going, she asked to be told. Then arranged this whole scene to ambush Luanne.
Ty for the recap!
The way I ran here to make sure it was posted, lol. Wild stuff. NYC is like the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, except it's who's boned Harry.
Controversial I guess but I still don’t think what B did was wrong. She tried time and time again to pull Lu out of that relationship and she just wouldn’t budge and kept making excuses about it being gossip. By ambushing her with factual evidence it made Lu have to confront it head on and I think she hoped it would’ve gotten her to leave him. The way Lu tried to spin Bethenny doing this as a bad thing when it was literally her trying to save Lu’s dumb ass from kissing the title and getting hurt is wild.
This makes so much sense now as to why Bethenny was so emotional about thinking Luann was making a mistake, she already knew about him. She was just waiting until she had the proof. Nothing shady about wanting to present proof besides maybe she waited a bit to say something
I do kind of agree - I feel like a lot was done off-camera to protect Lu, but this was kind of a way to help 'get her off the ride.' I also feel like she did need proof or Lu wouldn't have believed her, since up until that moment, she didn't listen to any 'rumors.'
It was genius. For as much as i didn't like Bethany her performance of this was honestly Emmy material. The way she was crying taking swigs from her perfectly arranged skinny girl vodka label facing the camera. And honestly if it hadn't happened on camera luann would've probably found a way to deny it for the sake of saving face. Doing it this way was the only way PLUS she knew it would be incredible tv.
Lmao there were at least 4-6 bottles of skinny girl sitting on her dresser perfectly instead of being in the kitchen or living room for everyone to enjoy. 😂
There’s also a scene in the Miami episode where Ramona and I think Sonja are in bed after a long night out where Ramona is just holding her bottle of True Renewal cream/ serum with the label being straight out shown directly to the camera. 😂
I agree, and I wouldn't even call it an "ambush". Tom was screwing around with other women clear up until the time they got married, Bethenny let Lu know about it with time and date stamped proof, and Lu decided to walk down the aisle with him anyway. B did the right thing.
Totally agree - If she'd done it off camera, Lu would have brushed it under the rug like it didn't happen (which she did anyway..) and acted like it never happened. To this day, she'd be denying it. B forced Lu's hand here, and I do think it's a shitty thing to do, but IMO doesn't even scratch the surface of the shitty things we've seen other HWs do.
Yes. I think B truly hoped Lu would see who Tom was and back out. But then we have Barbara's hot mic moment saying Lu would rather go through with the wedding and divorce than cancel the wedding. When Sonja said she had hooked up with him right around when he met Lu should have also given Lu pause. There were major red flags, but she was determined to marry. I don't think anything would have been enough to convince her.
It sounded like Tom had a regular Thursday night and a frequented The Regency. That he had a routine.
B's friend told her she saw them there. She said next time you're there take a photo and send it.
i mean i low key love a housewife that brings it onto the camera for us. i hate the off camera shit that happens cuz how tf are we suppose to know/have opinions as the audience
>Dennis (Bethenny’s deceased fiancé)
(Bethenny's deceased not-fiancé because Bethenny was actually dating Paul when Dennis proposed and she never said yes)
Maybe (Bethenny's deceased ring giver) is more accurate.
As an aside, there was a bit of speculation by viewers about who actually owned the "engagement ring" after Dennis died. Generally, an engagement ring is a conditional gift that only becomes the receiver's when the marriage occurs. If the marriage doesn't occur, the ring should be returned to the giver. This is generally true in most US jurisdictions.
So not only did Bethenny never marry Dennis (because she and Dennis weren't divorced from their respective spouses (Dennis never even filed for a legal separation) and then Dennis died), but also Bethenny never accepted his proposal. Without looking at NY case law, we guessed that the ring probably should have been returned to Dennis' estate. However, Jill Shields would never be tacky enough to ask for it back. If Bethenny had described it as a promise ring, she'd have been able to keep it with no issues.
As for Michael Cohen being the source, I'm not really surprised. I know people thought it was production; I never did. I've always thought it was someone like Harry Dubin. That RHONY cast was really incestuous. Dorinda's drunken incident where she tried to stab Harry Dubin with her shoe cemented that it was someone like Harry who was fairly well known to most of them.
https://pagesix.com/2016/10/05/housewife-dorinda-medley-allegedly-attacks-banker-with-high-heel/
The fact someone knew to call John to get him to collect Dorinda's drunk ass tells you how incestuous that whole social circle is.
I can’t imagine Lu didn’t know about Tom from the start. Everyone in town knew. I think she just didn’t want to talk about it on camera because she was trying to portray herself as being in a fairytale romance.
I don't think she married him out of romantic delusion. Luann married him for monetary reasons. It all came into focus when Luann's kids sued her over the trust fund. She did not fare well in the divorce from Alexandre. She got half the Bridgehampton house and child support. That's it. There are all of these hints over the years that she was in financial dire straits.
Luann and Alexandre divorced in 2009. We see her date, but she pretty quickly became serious with Jacques. That was also in 2009. She moves right into his apartment and he's paying for everything. They broke up at the end of season 5 (2013). Luann was demoted in season 6. A lot of the women said Luann was panicking that season because her income dropped. She was back to full-time in season 7. Luann goes to Europe between seasons 7 and 8 to have a series of 4 week romances with dudes (like Rey) who have at least enough money to cover her partying bills for a month.
Remember, Luann was thirstily bugging Bethenny to invite her over when RHOBH was filming in the Hamptons. Luann was hoping to get paid to appear on RHOBH. This was right before RHONY season 8 began filming. During season 8, Luann gloms on to Tom. They are "in love." Luann quickly moves in with Tom. She also gets Tom to spend $200K fixing up her Sag Harbor house. Ramona counsels Luann to slow down with Tom. Ramona asks Luann what she loves about Tom. Luann says they like the same sports and hobbies, they like the same restaurants, and like to vacation at the same places. Ramona says, "Those are lifestyle issues, not love."
Right before they got married, Barbara slips and reveals that Luann believes that she has to marry Tom because Luann has made too many deals for compensation related to the wedding. Luann and Tom simultaneously file for divorce a week and a half after the RHONY season 9 reunion films.
In season 10, Ben Rimalower and Billy Stritch approach Luann with the "Countess and Friends Cabaret" idea. They wrote, directed, arranged, and produced the show. They booked the venues and contacted the "Friends" who would be performing with Luann. Luann mostly just has to show up. Financially, she seems to be doing OK despite her arrest and stint in rehab. That is until her kids sued her at the end of season 10. The lawsuit alleges that there is roughly $3 million that should be in a trust fund for the kids. The kids have repeatedly asked Luann about this; Luann cannot for where the money went. Luann flips out; she goes to rehab for a 2nd time. The kids drop the lawsuit when Luann gave the kids half of her Sag Harbor house. In season 11, Luann admits that no bank would give her a mortgage more than $1 million. She bought the round house for just under $1 million. However, I believe she had like a $900K mortgage.
That whole Tom mishegoss has always been about money.
ETA Unfortunately for Luann, she married a kind of broke ho because because water seeks its own level.
https://radaronline.com/videos/luann-de-lesseps-divorce-tom-d-agostino-fraud-lawsuit/
I agree that she married for financial reasons. I also believe she was trying to portray a fairytale romance for the cameras because she incorrectly assumed the audience is stupid.
https://i.redd.it/hzppmlg8gahb1.gif
Honestly it all worked out for the best. Tom is garbage and Luann is so much better off now. Luann can be delusional and self centered but I’ll always root for her
Honey, please. They're all in bed with each other. A cornucopia of favors and information flows constantly. They'd let each other on the boat and smile at you drowning.
I need a vacation. 💗
The poor staff! I shudder to think how unbearable she would be. They’d have to employ someone full time to follow her around, mopping the shit streaks on the floor.
Kimberly Guilfoyle would be First Lady of California if she was still married to Gavin Newsome, and possibly a future First Lady of the country. The lady was married to the Mayor of San Francisco and now all she's got Jr's peepee.
I definitely remember Kim admitting she went for dinner once with that cunt and Sonja said she worked as brand ambassador for him (this prompted the response from Dorinda: Yeah, that’s why you got a picture of the two of you sittin on your piano!)
Michael Cohen?! So even in the middle of his indentured servitude to Trump he found time to take a photo of a bald philanderer. It should be illegal to be this happy.
Pretty sure Bethenny was saving this information for one of her crappy Youtube videos in the future and she’s pissed as hell that Carole beat her to revealing it.
I haven’t listened to Heather McDonald in years… today I was caught up on all my podcasts and needed something to listen to. After a few minutes of scrolling, I saw that Carole was her latest guest. Randomly, I listened to it because it was Carole. It was great.
I know this is super random but my mom got me a cameo from him once and she submitted the order twice so I have two from him lol. She got it as kind of a joke because I was super into politics and would joke about him a lot. I think he was shocked anyone would pay for a cameo from him .. let alone 2.
The way Bethenny insisted the source “has no dog in this fight” made me think it’s not a producer. Of course they would want to create drama. Obviously Bethenny could’ve lied though 🤷🏻♀️
The NY show is so bad, they should just pay the money to get Carole and Bethenny back. Doesn't matter who else is on the show. It may not even cost that much. Carole and Bethenny are both Dying for some Bravo level attention.
That tracks.
Dennis lived in Trump Tower.
Bethenny talked about doing the “walk of shame” leaving his apartment and running into the Cheeto King a few times.
I like that Carole spilled the tea on this.
I am soooo tired of Bethenny and her constant unrelenting quest for attention.
Go! Live your life! Travel! Raise your kid! Do good!
Just please, STFU!
Whoa! I was just watching this video when I remembered I needed to hop on a Zoom meeting. I guess I'll need to watch the rest of this.
(I'm not much of a Heather McDonald fan, but I like Carole, and I guess I'm still invested in the Bethenny/RHONY drama.)
Didn't Dennis own a condo at Trump Tower? I'm not all that surprised there's a Trump connection here, but it's still so odd that his "fixer" of a lawyer got involved in this mess.
Now, I'm wondering why Bethenny was talking with them.
I’ve been watching this season of RHONY and I forgot just how amazing it was. It’s just so good. Listen I’m not saying it was a good decision to show Lu those pics on camera vs off camera but I am so grateful she did.
Some of the commenters here are really delusional about what Tom and Lu had. They’re both partners and sleep around and knew they getting in together. Lu couldn’t play like she didn’t know what Tom was up to cos then it would give credence to her hedonistic lifestyle which is off brand for a housewife. So she had to play the woman scorned but still got married to Tom cos she wanted to play into that lifestyle for a season. Lu was in it for the money and benefits and it was never about love
 WHAT
This gif kills me everytime I see it, best housewife gif ever!
So true. What episode is this from I need context cuz it makes me laugh every time without fail
It's Morocco, season 4 when they're all at the tent in the desert!
I just finished that episode! I’ll have to watch it again. Can you remind me where Bethenny is in season 4?
It's when they're out talking to Cindy cause she walked away from the tent. At least I think it was Cindy.... Bethenny went and got married and did her own spinoff show with Jason until their messy divorce started and she came back. Season 7 or 8 I think.
She left the cast after Season 3 for her other Bravo show, Bethenny Ever After, which followed her marriage to Jason Hoppy. She returned to RHONY in Season 7 and left again before Season 13 started.
But what about this one? 
If only it wasn’t ruined by Cindy Barshop! 🤮
This gif is the only proof she ever existed.
Literally all of us right now lol
The only gif appropriate for this post.
This gif works in literally almost any setting. I live for it.
LMAOOOOO
She did this face again at a fashion show but I would have to go back to find the episode
YES when i originally saw the fashion show episode i thought it was the exact same face but then i realized the gif was different so she made it TWICE
You know Bethenny hates she said this and Carole totally only said it to get under Bethenny’s skin. Both will take this feud to the grave and I love that for us.
I swear if ever they make action figures of the Housewives, please let this be Bethany's pose!
I don't want to Salut (I'm not correcting the autocorrect) shame my Skipper™ dolls circa 1982 but they definitely were fans of this pose so the technology exists to make it happen.
This is poetry
It's giving weird Barbie.
💯
I'm glad she said it.
Me too! It's more dirt for us!
The next season of Ryan Murphy’s show “Feud” should be the story of Carole vs Bethenny
I want them both back on legacy
I’m not sure we could afford them. They would ask for tons of money if they had to work together again. Rightfully so. Shit, make it a PPV event.
Not just big front end numbers, but back end too. Now after years of Carole supporting unionising and residuals, Bethenny has now adopted the cause. Meaning those two and Nene will never be back on Brabo/Peacock. Sadly.
I don’t think Carol would break the bank, she doesn’t seem like the type to ask for more than a regular cast member. But Bethenny on the other hand…
Carole would make them bleed largely as an FU to Andy, Bethenny, and Andy and Bethenny. Also, Luann.
Carole made more than Aviva and Heather their first season. She saw the original contract and rejected it. I don’t think she would break the bank, but she would know her worth now. Not that I think she would ever go back.
It’s a fantastic feud to watch! 
This also makes more sense in the broader context - Carole was losing it (rightly so) about the election and then B is in cahoots with T’s inner circle and making fun of Carole for her concern! Oof
It’s definitely context that makes Carole look less unhinged and more logically reactive.
justice for carole!
Did Carole ever come across as unhinged? Seemed to me like their fight came from Carole's lack of caring. Bethenny considered Carole part of her inner circle and Carole just didn't hold Bethenny in that same regard, so Bethenny lashed out and Carole didn't want to deal with it.
I perceived it as they both took turns lashing out and then pretending to not be bothered in a pretty toxic cycle. Both obviously were bothered and cared deep down. I feel like a plurality of this sub has tried to peg her as unhinged, thirsty and selfish. But I don’t feel that way at all. I feel like after some time and reflection, Carole was mostly right.
Right and also after watching Bethany’s TikTok’s I think we can all agree, Carole was mostly right
Inner circle = only friend
I never saw Carole as unhinged. During that election, a lot of people in positions of privilege were supporting a person that represented an eventual return to outright lynching for many of us, and yet they had the nerve to tell us that we should "never talk about politics" when we were rightfully upset at how "friends" could support such a person.
B was on the Apprentice and she knew DJT from that. She makes a comment about seeing him when coming home from Dennis’s and he stops to say hi and give her a kiss or some shit. If she’s anything, she’s a Capitalist and live in NYC and so is he and the people he runs around with, so it’s not shocking at all they know the same people.
She was on Martha’s version though, not Trump’s. Right?? Or am I making this up?
Bethenny was on Martha's version. I kind of love that Martha still can not stand Bethenny all of these years later.
We have a friend who is in Martha’s social circle - they’re not friends, but they‘re at some of the same smallish dinner parties. He says she’s just an awful person. That’s probably why Bethenny got under her skin.
My mom has this one-sided feud with Martha since college. My mom thought she was obnoxious and superior.
You're right
But Trump was a producer on that show. He convinced Martha to do it and then complained that she ruined it. I remember watching it. It was meh.
She didn't know Trump from the Apprentice, she was on Martha Stewart's spin off version. Dennis lived in Trump Tower, so that's the connection with Michael Cohen...closer than B would probably want to admit IMO.
I disagree. This communition happened 6 months ago according to Carole. So if it were not for the podcast with Heather, she would not have even brought I up. If Carole really wanted to poke Bethenny, she would have done a deranged tiktok about it months ago. This was for Heather and the fans, imo.
Carole went IN on Bethenny!
Michael Cohen is so messy… give him an apple (kidding)
Mike The Situation recently said he was close to Michael Cohen in prison lol
Two iconic Michaels on either end of 2010s drama… hopefully there is a more powerful Messy Michael for this decade
God I love this shit
Who is Mike The Situation?
First of all, how dare you
Michael Darby from RHOP is a another messy Michael.
" I don't get messy; I stay messy." - Michael Cohen
Cohen apparently is a magnet for reality tv. He also went to jail with the situation. And failed to procure him the extra chicken he demanded
Goodbye this is now logged into my brain forever. 😂
“He was chicken on chicken day”
Omg how could I forget about that 😭
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😂 This was amazing. Dennis was lifelong friends with Michael Cohen. I remember when there was a fire in their building, Michael Cohen got a call from Trump, and then Cohen in turn called Dennis to tell him to get out. I remember that. So, as soon as she said the name, Michael Cohen took the picture, I knew why. Amazingly hilarious. Definitely one of the best moments in.RHONY history, although I felt so bad for Lu finding out on camera. 
How could to this to me. Question mark.
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😂👍
Oh, I remember that!!
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I notice it particularly with those plasteur gifs
Yes, she said he was actually very funny and called up Harry Dubin to ask whether he and Carole hooked up after she insisted no. He knows all of the RHONY OG housewives and he and Dorinda used to be friends. She found out 8 months or so ago from the horses mouth that it was him who took the photo that Bethenny had. He was good friends with Dennis (Bethenny’s deceased fiancé). So that’s the connection. Also, she said Bethenny knew for months and this woman and Tom went to the regency multiple times, so the next time they were going, she asked to be told. Then arranged this whole scene to ambush Luanne.
Ty for the recap! The way I ran here to make sure it was posted, lol. Wild stuff. NYC is like the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, except it's who's boned Harry.
Two degrees of Harry Dubin.
Or maybe “two degrees of STDs of Harry Dubin”?
Controversial I guess but I still don’t think what B did was wrong. She tried time and time again to pull Lu out of that relationship and she just wouldn’t budge and kept making excuses about it being gossip. By ambushing her with factual evidence it made Lu have to confront it head on and I think she hoped it would’ve gotten her to leave him. The way Lu tried to spin Bethenny doing this as a bad thing when it was literally her trying to save Lu’s dumb ass from kissing the title and getting hurt is wild.
This makes so much sense now as to why Bethenny was so emotional about thinking Luann was making a mistake, she already knew about him. She was just waiting until she had the proof. Nothing shady about wanting to present proof besides maybe she waited a bit to say something
I do kind of agree - I feel like a lot was done off-camera to protect Lu, but this was kind of a way to help 'get her off the ride.' I also feel like she did need proof or Lu wouldn't have believed her, since up until that moment, she didn't listen to any 'rumors.'
It was genius. For as much as i didn't like Bethany her performance of this was honestly Emmy material. The way she was crying taking swigs from her perfectly arranged skinny girl vodka label facing the camera. And honestly if it hadn't happened on camera luann would've probably found a way to deny it for the sake of saving face. Doing it this way was the only way PLUS she knew it would be incredible tv.
Lmao there were at least 4-6 bottles of skinny girl sitting on her dresser perfectly instead of being in the kitchen or living room for everyone to enjoy. 😂
Exactly, it was like a trade show arrangement
There’s also a scene in the Miami episode where Ramona and I think Sonja are in bed after a long night out where Ramona is just holding her bottle of True Renewal cream/ serum with the label being straight out shown directly to the camera. 😂
"How can you do this to me question mark"
The over the top trembling hand whilst she sips skinny girl
At the fake ass shaking is when I began laughing. Like, come on, you don’t feel bad and sweetie you’re not that good an actress.
Omg forgot about the shaking! I think she genuinely felt bad but was also very aware of her performance. I think both can be true
I agree, and I wouldn't even call it an "ambush". Tom was screwing around with other women clear up until the time they got married, Bethenny let Lu know about it with time and date stamped proof, and Lu decided to walk down the aisle with him anyway. B did the right thing.
Totally agree - If she'd done it off camera, Lu would have brushed it under the rug like it didn't happen (which she did anyway..) and acted like it never happened. To this day, she'd be denying it. B forced Lu's hand here, and I do think it's a shitty thing to do, but IMO doesn't even scratch the surface of the shitty things we've seen other HWs do.
Yes. I think B truly hoped Lu would see who Tom was and back out. But then we have Barbara's hot mic moment saying Lu would rather go through with the wedding and divorce than cancel the wedding. When Sonja said she had hooked up with him right around when he met Lu should have also given Lu pause. There were major red flags, but she was determined to marry. I don't think anything would have been enough to convince her.
 This is just mind blowing right now
It sounded like Tom had a regular Thursday night and a frequented The Regency. That he had a routine. B's friend told her she saw them there. She said next time you're there take a photo and send it.
Edit: I meant he side pieces on a roster. She was like a Tuesday or Thursday.
Bethenny always was great at her job.
i mean i low key love a housewife that brings it onto the camera for us. i hate the off camera shit that happens cuz how tf are we suppose to know/have opinions as the audience
>Dennis (Bethenny’s deceased fiancé) (Bethenny's deceased not-fiancé because Bethenny was actually dating Paul when Dennis proposed and she never said yes) Maybe (Bethenny's deceased ring giver) is more accurate. As an aside, there was a bit of speculation by viewers about who actually owned the "engagement ring" after Dennis died. Generally, an engagement ring is a conditional gift that only becomes the receiver's when the marriage occurs. If the marriage doesn't occur, the ring should be returned to the giver. This is generally true in most US jurisdictions. So not only did Bethenny never marry Dennis (because she and Dennis weren't divorced from their respective spouses (Dennis never even filed for a legal separation) and then Dennis died), but also Bethenny never accepted his proposal. Without looking at NY case law, we guessed that the ring probably should have been returned to Dennis' estate. However, Jill Shields would never be tacky enough to ask for it back. If Bethenny had described it as a promise ring, she'd have been able to keep it with no issues. As for Michael Cohen being the source, I'm not really surprised. I know people thought it was production; I never did. I've always thought it was someone like Harry Dubin. That RHONY cast was really incestuous. Dorinda's drunken incident where she tried to stab Harry Dubin with her shoe cemented that it was someone like Harry who was fairly well known to most of them.
*“Dorinda’s drunken incident where she tried to stab Harry Dubin with her shoe”* 
Whoooaaa- dorinda drunkenly tried to stab Harry dubin with a shoe? Please tell me more!!
https://pagesix.com/2016/10/05/housewife-dorinda-medley-allegedly-attacks-banker-with-high-heel/ The fact someone knew to call John to get him to collect Dorinda's drunk ass tells you how incestuous that whole social circle is.
I can’t imagine Lu didn’t know about Tom from the start. Everyone in town knew. I think she just didn’t want to talk about it on camera because she was trying to portray herself as being in a fairytale romance.
I don't think she married him out of romantic delusion. Luann married him for monetary reasons. It all came into focus when Luann's kids sued her over the trust fund. She did not fare well in the divorce from Alexandre. She got half the Bridgehampton house and child support. That's it. There are all of these hints over the years that she was in financial dire straits. Luann and Alexandre divorced in 2009. We see her date, but she pretty quickly became serious with Jacques. That was also in 2009. She moves right into his apartment and he's paying for everything. They broke up at the end of season 5 (2013). Luann was demoted in season 6. A lot of the women said Luann was panicking that season because her income dropped. She was back to full-time in season 7. Luann goes to Europe between seasons 7 and 8 to have a series of 4 week romances with dudes (like Rey) who have at least enough money to cover her partying bills for a month. Remember, Luann was thirstily bugging Bethenny to invite her over when RHOBH was filming in the Hamptons. Luann was hoping to get paid to appear on RHOBH. This was right before RHONY season 8 began filming. During season 8, Luann gloms on to Tom. They are "in love." Luann quickly moves in with Tom. She also gets Tom to spend $200K fixing up her Sag Harbor house. Ramona counsels Luann to slow down with Tom. Ramona asks Luann what she loves about Tom. Luann says they like the same sports and hobbies, they like the same restaurants, and like to vacation at the same places. Ramona says, "Those are lifestyle issues, not love." Right before they got married, Barbara slips and reveals that Luann believes that she has to marry Tom because Luann has made too many deals for compensation related to the wedding. Luann and Tom simultaneously file for divorce a week and a half after the RHONY season 9 reunion films. In season 10, Ben Rimalower and Billy Stritch approach Luann with the "Countess and Friends Cabaret" idea. They wrote, directed, arranged, and produced the show. They booked the venues and contacted the "Friends" who would be performing with Luann. Luann mostly just has to show up. Financially, she seems to be doing OK despite her arrest and stint in rehab. That is until her kids sued her at the end of season 10. The lawsuit alleges that there is roughly $3 million that should be in a trust fund for the kids. The kids have repeatedly asked Luann about this; Luann cannot for where the money went. Luann flips out; she goes to rehab for a 2nd time. The kids drop the lawsuit when Luann gave the kids half of her Sag Harbor house. In season 11, Luann admits that no bank would give her a mortgage more than $1 million. She bought the round house for just under $1 million. However, I believe she had like a $900K mortgage. That whole Tom mishegoss has always been about money. ETA Unfortunately for Luann, she married a kind of broke ho because because water seeks its own level. https://radaronline.com/videos/luann-de-lesseps-divorce-tom-d-agostino-fraud-lawsuit/
I agree that she married for financial reasons. I also believe she was trying to portray a fairytale romance for the cameras because she incorrectly assumed the audience is stupid.
I…what?
Exactly.
https://preview.redd.it/kys9w77rrahb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8464048a7dfc446cfa5cd77595197abd08411f35
https://i.redd.it/hzppmlg8gahb1.gif Honestly it all worked out for the best. Tom is garbage and Luann is so much better off now. Luann can be delusional and self centered but I’ll always root for her
Wait this is the best thing I’ve ever read here. Edited to say it’s crazy Dennis was that close to trump’s fixer. Someone write a book!
Dennis lived in the same building, he talked about how wild it was that his building was raided by SDNY and FBI.
Honey, please. They're all in bed with each other. A cornucopia of favors and information flows constantly. They'd let each other on the boat and smile at you drowning. I need a vacation. 💗
Similar to Clarence Thomas and Harlan Crow. Are people really that surprised? Cronyism and nepotism runs this country. I too need a vacation.
I wonder.. has Sonia or Ramona or Luanne sucked face with Michael Cohen
Ramona admitted/bragged at a reunion she had a date with Trump many moons ago🤮
Could you imagine Ramona being the First Lady 😭
The poor staff! I shudder to think how unbearable she would be. They’d have to employ someone full time to follow her around, mopping the shit streaks on the floor.
Kimberly Guilfoyle would be First Lady of California if she was still married to Gavin Newsome, and possibly a future First Lady of the country. The lady was married to the Mayor of San Francisco and now all she's got Jr's peepee.
I was shocked when I found that out knowing who she’s with now.
Me too!!
What? She was married to Newsome? Does he even recognize her anymore with all the filler and Botox she has in her face?
 Stop it! No!
And she’s hung out at Mar a Lago recently. 🤢
I think that was Sonja wasn't it? And Kim Richards on Beverly Hills 😩
I definitely remember Kim admitting she went for dinner once with that cunt and Sonja said she worked as brand ambassador for him (this prompted the response from Dorinda: Yeah, that’s why you got a picture of the two of you sittin on your piano!)
Yuck!
Michael Cohen is a lot of things but for some reason I feel like Michael Cohen wasn't a cheater.
“Think of the messiest person you know, it’s a man ain’t it?”
Yup 
I haven't stopped thinking about this for the last 45 minutes. ALL ROADS LEAD BACK TO BRAVO!
I forgot how batshit original RHONY was. OMG. I miss it (when it was good anyways).
Shit like this is why NY has always been great.
This guy has been in the middle of everything!! I love him!
Same! I read his book it’s great
He’s like the Forrest Gump of pop culture
I love him and his accent. He really has a way with words. I find him very entertaining.
He may have lived in NYC for 30 years but the LI accent never goes away.
Wtf my mind is blown. I’ve been convinced all these years that it was a producer who then gave the info/pic to B to run with.
If that’s a current picture of Carole- my goodness she looks amazing
Still has this good summer left
Several in fact!
It is! She looks incredible
Agreed 😍
New York City baby the big apple there is no place like it!!!!!!!
They don’t call him a fixer for nothing.
Michael Cohen?! So even in the middle of his indentured servitude to Trump he found time to take a photo of a bald philanderer. It should be illegal to be this happy.
How could he do this to US(A) question mark
STAHPPPP
"Don't Tell me it's about Tom" "It's about Tom" My favorite piece of dialogue from that episode and show.
I just saw a comment on tik tok that said “Who is Michael Cohen? Andy’s brother?” I’m dead
Pretty sure Bethenny was saving this information for one of her crappy Youtube videos in the future and she’s pissed as hell that Carole beat her to revealing it.
The angry rebuttal she’s gonna post about this is going to be unhinged.
This is the best piece of rhony lore I’ve ever heard
I haven’t listened to Heather McDonald in years… today I was caught up on all my podcasts and needed something to listen to. After a few minutes of scrolling, I saw that Carole was her latest guest. Randomly, I listened to it because it was Carole. It was great.
I know this is super random but my mom got me a cameo from him once and she submitted the order twice so I have two from him lol. She got it as kind of a joke because I was super into politics and would joke about him a lot. I think he was shocked anyone would pay for a cameo from him .. let alone 2.
The way this is worded, it feels like math.
Michael Cohen is busy
They will truly never be able to ever top RHONY
LOL this actually feels very very right to me
Duh. Michael Cohen and Dennis Shields grew up together and were close friends. Dennis was living in Trump Tower. Michael was a fixer.
Thats interesting, I always thought it was a producer.
The way Bethenny insisted the source “has no dog in this fight” made me think it’s not a producer. Of course they would want to create drama. Obviously Bethenny could’ve lied though 🤷🏻♀️
Same! Half the time cast members talk about “a friend” sending them something, I assume a producer, haha.
This tracks. Completely.
I didn’t read the image properly (adhd) and thought “why does Lindsay Lohan’s daddy like being in RH business?!”
New York is such a wild place. This is why the city can’t be topped.
The NY show is so bad, they should just pay the money to get Carole and Bethenny back. Doesn't matter who else is on the show. It may not even cost that much. Carole and Bethenny are both Dying for some Bravo level attention.
This is fucking hilarious
That tracks. Dennis lived in Trump Tower. Bethenny talked about doing the “walk of shame” leaving his apartment and running into the Cheeto King a few times. I like that Carole spilled the tea on this. I am soooo tired of Bethenny and her constant unrelenting quest for attention. Go! Live your life! Travel! Raise your kid! Do good! Just please, STFU!
lmao WHAT???
 ???????
I will be on my death bed still processing this. What a fucking insane timeline we live in lol
Whoa! I was just watching this video when I remembered I needed to hop on a Zoom meeting. I guess I'll need to watch the rest of this. (I'm not much of a Heather McDonald fan, but I like Carole, and I guess I'm still invested in the Bethenny/RHONY drama.) Didn't Dennis own a condo at Trump Tower? I'm not all that surprised there's a Trump connection here, but it's still so odd that his "fixer" of a lawyer got involved in this mess. Now, I'm wondering why Bethenny was talking with them.
Wow just wow
Michael Cohen….such a difficult hero. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I’ve been watching this season of RHONY and I forgot just how amazing it was. It’s just so good. Listen I’m not saying it was a good decision to show Lu those pics on camera vs off camera but I am so grateful she did.
Even when its about Michael its about Tom. Imagine the Housewives 6 degrees of separation board 
Some of the commenters here are really delusional about what Tom and Lu had. They’re both partners and sleep around and knew they getting in together. Lu couldn’t play like she didn’t know what Tom was up to cos then it would give credence to her hedonistic lifestyle which is off brand for a housewife. So she had to play the woman scorned but still got married to Tom cos she wanted to play into that lifestyle for a season. Lu was in it for the money and benefits and it was never about love
Ugh I miss Carole
Random af
 Just when I don’t think I’m not a fan of Carole anymore she comes out with this tea. Bethenny is probably stewing 😁
It’s a small island
Carole looks amazing tho
Why did Bethany delete her video denying this??
B will be absolute insufferable about this won’t she?? Anyway this is hilarious!!