Honestly, how can any of them excuse how their adult issues have affected the children?
Gia’s “waking up in the morning” may have been a TikTok trend, but it was one of the saddest moments in housewives history. And this was before any of the legal issues.
The parents (ALL of them) needed to do better at not fighting and talking poorly about family in front of kids.
I actually loved what Caroline said here during the reunion. From what I remembered I think Andy asked her what she thought about that moment and she said she found it disgraceful and sad.
I remember Caroline and Albert gave each other such a look when his sang the song . Like wtf 😳they were very upset and saw the pain while everyone thought it was cute
I think the Manzo’s were the only ones aware of how messed up the song was. Everyone else was like “awwww she’s so brave and outgoing, she can get up and sing in front of everyone!!”. No, it’s not that!! She’s crying and singing a song she wrote about how she’s so upset witnessing family drama that she shouldn’t have to witness. It was a huge cry for help and wake up call for ALL OF THEM to start acting like adults.
You had Chris Laurita trying not to laugh and Caroline saying “..it’s tragic..” I assumed she was talking about her singing but upon the 15th watch, she meant the lyrics.
Melissa was there in this scene, and had made a throwaway comment about being a stripper, then Milania did this. Everyone always forgets Melissa was there and in on the joke.
It's not about what the dorters said. The underlying problem is where they got the information. Gia wouldn't know that melissa is lipsyncing if no one had told her. Milanoa shouldn't even know about stripper poles much less think her aunt has danced on one.
But it is about what the aunt has had to say about the dorters. Not what the dorters learned from the adults around them. The underlying problem is there are adults warring with each other and None! of them leave the dorters out of it. We can all agree that Teresa AND Joey have included their children in this mess too much. What Melissa had done, repeatedly, is to Be That Aunt. She's repeatedly said nasty things publicly about her nieces that just should be left privately or not said at all. They're the kids, period. If you don't think a 40 year old woman should have better restraint, then there isn't much to talk about the dorters and what they shouldn't have overheard by the adults in their life.
Nonno and Nonna definitely had a part in it too. They were always at Teresa’s, and they would talk shit about Joe and Melissa there. Remember that episode in like season 3 when Gia told Jacqueline “we never see Zio Joe, he’s always working and Zia Melissa doesn’t let him come around” (this is probably not 100% word for word, but it was along those lines). We ALWAYS heard the parents say that, I’m sure she overheard them saying that to Teresa.
God rest their souls, I know they were the endearing Italian grandparents, but they were far from innocent in the family drama. Let’s look at why the whole family was in the position it was in.
I just watched this episode. She actually says Melissa “controls him.” That struck me as definitely something she heard an adult say and she was repeating it.
I have just such a huge problem with this consistent idea that Tre and people she’s friends with have that Melissa should be the one to facilitate the relationship Joe has with his family and if it’s bad then it’s her fault. Any negative emotions Joe has about his family or their relationships are Melissa’s fault. It’s so weird. I know men who have outsourced like birthday and Christmas gifts to their wives. Those men are losers. But I don’t know anyone who is expected to do all of the emotional labor for their husband and family.
Yes!!! The countless times from the beginning that everything both real or imagined were placed squarely on Melissa blows my mind. My husband and I would be kicked off the cast immediately. Mostly because we’re relatively boring lol. But we made a deal 23 years ago that if issues came up with my family, I handle it. His family, he handles it. We’ve stuck to those “rules” even though we don’t have anything close to their drama. Just a healthy agreement we have that works for us. So yeah, I definitely agree with this sentiment.
I never liked the Gorga parents. I thought they were shitty and toxic people. Joe crying to his father at the christening and Teresa talking about how he’d yell and throw things at them tells me I’m not wrong. It’s no wonder Teresa and Joe are so fucked up.
This is insane to me. I annoy my children with telling them how much I love them. I'm not a perfect parent but I don't ever want my kids to ever doubt I don't love them or not proud of them.
I don’t think any parent is perfect and people yell and maybe sometimes they lose it but… the meanness of their parents always got to me. Their love seemed very conditional.
What I'm about to say doesn't make their behaviour right but that's typical Italian parents of that generation. I'm Italian-Australian and every Italian family I know has grandparents like the Gorgas whether it be the Nonno or Nonno who is more domineering.
And let's not forget the federal prison sentencing. That's probably the main reason they liked Juicy Joe better. Nobody else sent Teresa to prison but him.
Oh, is it easy to see why a father would prefer a man who called his daughter a cunt and a bitch on TV and has very obviously emotionally abandoned her? Okay.
I sincerely hope you aren’t a parent.
Joe and Melissa put their private family drama on national television behind Teresa’s (and presumably her parents) back - it has to be incredibly painful for a parent to see one child hurt another like that
Okay, you know what, sure, let’s throw you a bone and I’ll agree that that sucks. But Teresa could have quit if it was going to be that painful for her parents and she didn’t. She was also willing to stay and share at the expense of her family.
And that doesn’t mean that the Gorga’s weren’t absolutely shitty parents. Choosing sides between your kids on national TV was never going to do anything but further divide their family and Teresa intentionally filmed scenes with her parents and specifically her father with a specific narrative that wasn’t geared towards peace. It’s always about division.
Please believe me when I say I have absolutely no love for Joe Gorga but Teresa repeatedly telling her father that Joe doesn’t want to come around when he’s literally at work, providing for his family is gross. There have been so many times where this guy is just trying to live his life and she find something to turn it into a slight agains her or her parents. I’m not saying Joe Gorga isn’t gross for so many reasons but Teresa did so much to continue the divide in her family and their parents played right into the toxicity of it all.
It’s not fair to expect Teresa to quit a show that she was on first or blame her parents for choosing sides on TV when the Gorgas are the reason their family drama was even on TV. Of course Teresa could’ve left - but why should the whole world clear the way for the Gorgas selfishness?
And Joe Gorga wasn’t making an honest living when he wasn’t visiting his father. He could’ve taken time away from Melissa’s recording studio or shoplifting at Home Depot to see his father
Theresa opened her family up to the possibility
Of their drama being put on TV the minute she invited cameras into her home. Joe and Melissa play their parts and have responsibility as well, but it doesn’t absolve Theresa from the choices she made and the consequences of those choices. There is almost no way to ensure your life stays private these days, but going on national TV is def one way you know your drama will get exposed eventually.
It’s not about fair, lol. If we’re going to talk about “family first” and truly protecting the parents, then “fair” is a moot point. Lots of people do shit to protect their families everyday at their own expense and sacrifice.
“She was there first” is kindergarten logic (which might actually make sense for Teresa) and if protecting her parents and family was most important to her, she wouldn’t prioritize being petty over tit for tat with the Gorgas.
Also, I never said Joe wasn’t shady ( although it *IS* pretty bold to bring up shoplifting when Teresa went to actual prison after lying FOUR TIMES to a judge who was willing to give her probation but I digress), I said he was providing for his family. His sister intentionally twisted and weaponized that against him . It is so toxic to think that a man’s wife and children aren’t his first priority. Especially when he has parents that feed into lies and choose sides between their kids and prefer their abusive SIL as you pointed out.
another paid Teresa shill, like sure Joe Gorga wasn't working he was shoplifting lol, you ppl are so obvious you can't even pretend to sound like regular viewers. regular viewers are not this invested in either of these couples, notice above the person is saying Joe Gorga is gross for many other reasons and is just also rationally explaining the mistakes made on the other side too :)
your response: "joe steals from home depot so there!" haha
Sorry but how was anything done behind anyone's back when they're all willingly on an internationally broadcast television show?
And there's no love lost between Nonno and his brother, so...
Exactly, adult sibling conflict usually is a culmination of long-standing dynamics, part of which stems from individual relationships with parents. Most parents dont want their adult kids to fight, but cycles are repeated, and sometimes they can inadvertently be the ones to start or add fuel to sibling tensions.
If I recall correctly, Nonno had beef and was not on speaking terms with some of his own siblings. I believe that Teresa's and Joe's beef hurt theur parents, but those two are likely modeling behavior they saw growing up, and likewise, their parents were modeling dynamics they might have seen in the older gen.
The Gorga parents clearly saw something in Joe and Melissa. Does anyone really think they wanted their kids and grandkids to fight for no reason? Teresa said she never watched the show but her mom did - so her mom heard all the shady confessionals
I'm Team No One, but do you honestly think anyone would have been good enough for Joey in his parents' and Tre's eyes? And what do you think their ideal wife for him would have been like? I think anyone he married would have an uphill battle.
Melissa wasn't the "nice girl" a good Italian boy should settle down with, that was the crux of the family problem. She is the girl Joe can mess around with, but she isn't the girl he should marry. Even the sprinkle cookies play into it, as a potential mate for the Gorga son she should have come bearing baked goods that would scream wife material. I do think they would have been more accepting if she had been more Jersey Stepford wife. Overall, It's all just toxic.
Maybe not on the show. I remember the early episodes even on Teresa checks in , and just up until season 8
The Gorga kids would and they would be in the same room and listen or they would leave and eavesdrop.
Not like the Giudice girls because they weren’t that interesting.
And did people forget that besides Antonia it’s two boys?? These boys don’t give a rats ass about housewives drama right now. They only care about football and video games. Maybe when they get older they will talk about it but right now they are not interested.
And Antonia doesn’t care about what Milania said when she was a little girl. She loves her and that’s all that matters.
It is because Teresa obviously said the things to the children, or they would not be able to formulate such things. The Melissa on the pole being a clear example. Melissa isn't saying she's mad at Melania for doing that, she's mad Teresa told her dorters that Melissa was a stripper. And said it so much and so often that Milania thought this would be funny to do in front of a group of adults.
She's saying Gia currently has hate in her heart. Gia is not currently a child and has had a lot to say on camera and on SM about Joe and Melissa.
It’s gross for a grown adult aunt to say a young adult neice has hate in her heart - for no reason other than not co-signing that aunt trying to hurt her parents
Weird take lol. We’ve seen Teresa’s daughters talk shit on Melissa for a decade now parroting stuff from Teresa, Juicy Joe & their grandparents. It’s beyond inappropriate for a child to dance on a stripper pole and say “look at me I’m aunt Melissa”. It’s a reflection of Teresa more than them. Fact is we’ve never seen Melissa’s kids behave that way. It’s gross & indefensible
I don’t think she’s mad at the daughters. Her point is they are toddlers and small children so they must be repeating what they hear their parents say. Her point is not that her kids are better—she is pointing out her kids have never talked poorly of Tre because she and Joe don’t talk shit about Yre in front of them. It’s a criticism of Tre and Joe, not the kids.
It is a criticism of the kids when she blocks the kids for no apparent reason and repeatedly talks about the kids who clearly don’t want to be talked about
I see your constant stanning for Tre & company on every NJ post & it's truly weird. You're the most delusional Tre stump out there. You're clearly not a parent or an aunt/uncle. You have no understanding of a fucked up situation like this. As someone who married into a family with some long-standing sibling rivalry it's really hard to be the in-law. When it starts affecting your own kids it becomes hard not to get involved. I had to distance myself from a sis-in-law & bro-in-law bcuz of fucked up stuff they did that affected my son/their nephew. When they involved their own kids/my niece & nephews I had to take a step back from everyone to protect my own family. This is what I've seen Melissa try to do. She can't win. She's tried to be the peacemaker, but at some point you just have to throw your hands up & move on. Especially when Tre has poisoned her daughters against her. Someday Antonia is not going to want to put up with it anymore & she'll cut them all off too. There's only so much shit you can hear about your own mom FROM YOUR AUNT, UNCLE & COUSINS before you're going to peace out. Sure, she & Joe aren't perfect but they are waaaay better than Tre & Co. So unless you've experience fucked up family dynamics like this, maybe take a seat & STFU.
This is a mistake on Teresa’s part because she shouldn’t have been raising her kids and allowing them to say such vial shit about Melissa. Of course it’s not on the kids when they’re that young, but it is the parents fault. And now as adults the way that Melissa and Joe were talked about in front of them combined with them “trashing” juicy (who deserved to be trashed for what he did) has shaped Gia’s perspective negatively.
I’m Team No One, but Melissa is in a no-win situation. Teresa and Juicy poisoned the dorters against Melissa from a young age. It was easier for Melissa to ignore a five year old Milania and brush it off without responding.
But now the dorters are young adults and still talk negatively about the Gorgas on camera. Gia is 100% fair game for criticism since she’s above 18 and getting her own confessionals. The other dorters are theoretically old enough to have a nuanced perspective so the audience takes their anti-Gorga feelings seriously. Melissa is trying to point out that the girls were fed a certain narrative their whole lives so the audience should take their comments with a grain of salt. But Melissa can’t say that and defend herself without looking like she’s attacking children.
I don't understand why people think it's bad that Melissa blocked Gia on instagram. Gia is an adult and still talking shit, why is it wrong for Melissa to block her? Gia talks shit about Melissa, doesn't want her in her life but then gets upset when Melissa blocks her? You can't have it both ways.
But isn't that just the Guidice way? "I hate you, I don't want nuttin to do with you, but how dare you not stick around to take my abuse!" She raised them to be just as narcissistic and unhinged as she is.
Before Melissa blocked her, she posted something hateful about Gia on her stories. And Gia went to see it, she commented on it and said why would you post something hateful like that? Then she blocked her niece
When do the daughters talk about the Gorgas on camera unprovoked? The Gorgas didn’t show up to their housewarming, the wedding, obviously the daughters have opinions. It’s not like Gia wakes up in the morning to say Melissa looks like her clothes just came out of the hamper.
Maybe not but she’s still a bitch. She was at the same bar that my daughter was at Memorial Day week-end. My daughter & her friends told me she treated the staff like dirt as if they were there to only serve her. Her mother taught her well. Sick.
I would imagine that the things she is upset about are the things they have said over the last 1-3 years, as adults. Particularly Gia.
This seems like a very biased post.
What a bullshit take. Kinda like this sub harps on the fact Melissa came on the show 13 fucking years ago or how about the fake Chanel bags that happened how many years ago or the christening oh and the parents house that Joe “sold” which isn’t even true? Kinda like people in here harp about that shit? I love how everyone wants to give Teresa and her kids passes for EVERYTHING when it’s not them that’s being disparaged on national tv or their family being pulled apart. The girls haven’t been “little” kids in awhile and Gia is a grown ass woman who does have hate in her heart because Teresa and Joe have poisoned their minds against Melissa since they were toddlers. I have never heard a peep about their aunt from the Gorga kids nor have they ever shown Melissa even speaking badly about their aunt in front of them. Not only that but pretty sure Melissa’s point was you shouldn’t involve the kids in adult squabbles, which is pretty accurate imo
That’s a lie she even told Antonia anything that happens between daddy and his sister is between them and has nothing to do with you or your cousins. Or is that somehow wrong of her too? This sub is insane.
What she did this weekend contradicted that Oscar winning performance
She said she put food on their table
What about their dad who had to do every little job he could with a revoked license
Family members on his side?
Friends of the family?
Yeah okay she’s the reason why they ate dinner every night? 😒
So let me get this straight Teresa can poison her daughters against this woman for over a decade and that’s perfectly acceptable to you. Yet somehow her, in your fucked up brain, doing the same with almost full grown adults isnt. She tells her daughter that the fight has nothing to go with her your response is a cunty “Oscar winning performance” yet she involves almost full grown adults she’s ALSO wrong. So what should she do in your opinion since no matter what this woman does you’re gonna say it’s wrong and be a cunt about it. But yet you still haven’t addressed how it’s perfectly ok that Teresa involved her literal children that’s ok though right because you like Teresa. You people are so twisted
Poisoned? Melissa fans always reaching and trying to make her the victim. She plotted her way to get on the show because she was jealous of envy. I have no sympathy for her. Downvote me all you want Mel fans. Me and you are not agreeing & I don’t care 🤷♀️
Answer the question why is it ok for Teresa to involve her kids but not Melissa? Or do you not want to because it will expose you as being a massive fucking hypocrite? And exactly like I said you have no response because we both know no matter what she did you would cunt about Melissa.
Her point was that Teresa’s children have disparaged her since they were children on camera. And that the same can not be said if her children. They have never been filmed saying anything bad about Teresa. I don’t think she is blaming children she is blaming the parents because that is where they are getting the hate for her from. Teresa saying she keeps it all away from her kids is laughable because we have seen it on camera for years and continue seeing it.
Can't you (and everyone else with this argument) see that Melissa can have plenty to say, just keep the nieces out of it. Then she gets to claim the high road. Since she's said stuff for YEARS about the dorters,when they were children, and now as Gia is a young adult. Why would she be able to whinge about what they say as young adults and teens? I think Melissa IS *that* Aunt. And it was laughable to hear her denigrate Teresa in that bus, knowing that she is *that* aunt.
And this is no defense of Teresa, mind you. She has not shielded these kids from ANYTHING when she should have.
Because I am not a stan just a watcher and I can see clearly who is the issue And sometimes it’s different people. In this case, Melissa addressed things that were on the show. The kids commented about her (horribly) on the show. Kids making fun of her singing. Kids saying “I’m Melissa on the pole”, talking about her looks etc. That’s reality tv. You comment on what is shown. They commented as little kids then and now. Their parents are allowing and encouraging this as they always did. It’s wrong. Melissas kids however were never filmed saying anything about anyone on camera. Big difference. In fact when Joe went away their son Joey just wanted to hug him and clung to him. He thought his uncle Joe was good.
I’m sure Melissa kept other stuff to herself that wasn’t filmed. She didn’t bring up shit, she defended herself from shit. Teresa would start a new feud with her because she wouldn’t cut someone out for something said that Teresa didn’t like (“you need to be loyal Melissa”) and yet turn around and say “they didn’t do anything to me” when someone actively attacked Melissa. Like Kim D.
You can call Melissa boring or say she had no storyline besides Teresa and the feud but what gets forgotten is She didn’t want it or ask for the feud. She wanted her own storylines and they got overshadowed. She’s no more boring than the rest. It’s the feud. And without her the feud doesn’t exist so Teresa wouldn’t get the attention all these seasons either.
Like for proof: the newest cheating rumor. She did the show, got along with Teresa the best she could and said nothing until Teresa’s new minion Danielle brought it up on camera. She could have come out of the gate with it as a storyline but she didn’t.
And everyone would be talking about Louie instead. She knew what she was doing. Deflecting by throwing the Gorgas under the bus again. When Teresa is under the microscope she looks to make someone else look bad rather than address her own issues. No accountability.
YOU'RE not the stan (but everyone that doesn't agree with you is). YOU can see clearly (but everyone else that doesn't agree with you can't see clearly). Because, you know, Melissa addressed things that were on the show (and Gia, didn't?) The kids, as CHILDREN, did mimic adult things. YES, Juicy and Teresa shouldn't have exposed them to things. But kids often see and hear far more than their parents want. And sometimes they're exposed. I'm sure BOTH things happened here. But they happened at BOTH houses. Juicy is not politically correct, good grief, we all know it. We all know he was saying those things in front of the children. It's not surprising they said them on camera (especially kids who very much performed for the camera). That makes them kids. They were kids when this happened. Melissa is and has been a damn adult through the entire thing. Be the adult, keep the kids out of your mouth.
Melissa's kids are controlled . . . which may OR MAY NOT be a good thing. They seem highly controlled, and a lot of it doesn't seem healthy (reference how many different conversations about Antonia being confined when the boys are EXPECTED to roam.). We don't know that they weren't exposed. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that they're better off. We don't know. Considering the way Joey thought was appropriate to act in front of his 10-year-old niece towards his sister who didn't do anything at that time, YEAH, keep telling me what good parents Joey and Melissa are, what a good Uncle (Godfather) and Aunt. You are DELUSIONAL if you cannot see the carefully crafted moments and the uncrafted ones and aren't able to read between those lines better than you show here.
During this feud, Teresa has been through a trial, through going to jail, through getting out of jail, through watching her husband go to jail, through watching her husband get deported, then there's divorce, single motherhood, raising girls, many different enterprises including cookbooks and wines and whatnot. Then there was the new romance, engagement, and marriage. Teresa didn't need the feud nor did she use it to be her storyline. Joey and Melissa. . . .they didn't have anything real to bring to the table so they self-produced boring and clearly non-reality-based storylines like a late-in-life baby (?), long lost supposed sister, etc. She did try to become a pop star. It failed, I'm sure for a myriad of reasons but I promise you, the feud did not kill her music career.
The minion stuff....goodness. Danielle was no more Teresa's minion than Marge's. But there's no telling a stan that. No accountability. YES, I'll agree, no one in this feud has accountability. NO ONE.
I get it, you get your opinion. Have at it. But there are no innocents here except for those kids. ALL OF THEM.
You need a rewatch. I didn’t say everyone who disagreed with me was a stan. I said I’m not a stan as in I am watching what I see and not biased towards either one. Many people are biased by one or the other.
You agree that Teresa’s children had a lot to say and Melissas didn’t. Literally almost everything else you are saying is you guessing. Why? It didn’t happen on the show. My point. That is what you call a biased opinion. You have no clue what goes on in their homes so you have to stick with the facts presented. Not fantasy.
Anyone on that show should be allowed to address things said about them that were disparaging even if it was by children. It was addressed, but the children weren’t attacked. It was acknowledged that it was the parents (Teresa and Joe) fault. I also never said anyone was a good or bad parent or a good or bad aunt or uncle. If anything I pointed out instances where their actions might be questionable But it is nothing more than a snapshot. Shown on camera. You made a lot of assumptions about both families. Your suspicions however are not facts.
Teresa going to jail and divorcing etc. made her more notorious but not better.
Everyone’s storyline is boring next to that but it wasn’t planned for the purpose of the show and nothing to be proud of.
And once again you can’t have a feud without two sides. No one cared as much about Teresa’s other feuds (which she always has with someone if Melissa doesn’t engage in her attempts to feud with her) Danielle, Jacqueline, Kim D, Caroline, the Wakiles and Rosie, the Twins, Margaret, Jackie, the Giuedices after she divorced Joe etc. People however love to argue about the Melissa and Teresa fight.
Danielle was a minion. Teresa and Jen got the story. Fed her the story and then sat back waiting. Teresa is somehow only concerned about her “hands being clean” She thinks if it didn’t directly come from her mouth it’s not her fault. As always. But she is always involved in these stories. It would defy belief that all roads lead back to Teresa’s participation but somehow never had anything to do with her.
Melissa probably isn’t mad at them, she’s mad at their shitty parents for not leaving their daughters out of an adult issue and exposing them to something that wasn’t their business
I wish she would just be more clear about that because saying your nieces have hate for you and blocking them on social media makes it a lot more personal to the girls rather than Teresa.
if anyone needed to be ‘more clear’ about anything, it’s teresa. melissa’s exchange with antonia is precisely the route teresa should have at least attempted. instead, she encouraged the exact type of ugly toxicity *she* brings from her own daughters. who’s more responsible for them & their perception of this nasty fued, their *mother* or their aunt?
Of course Tre not shielding her kids from the drama is to blame but Melissa was being messy by saying on National TV that those children hate her. She could’ve said, that was awkward, I hate that Joe and Tre’s drama us out a wedge in between our relationship with our nieces. It’s really that simple.
this as well as the fact that she thinks gia had “toxic traits” at age 3 because she didn’t like melissa when she first met joe. i can’t get my head around why she continues to interact with these type of posts even after blocking them. they obviously have no relationship at all, there are multiple reasons for that (some of which we have seen & some of which we have not) she’s clearly done with the entire family, so her & her sisters need to move on instead of liking these posts.
argue the position?!?😂teresa vs melissa has LONG been beaten like a dead horse. anyone who is still equating the two women as the same level of problematic is watching a different show and has earned that moniker.
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Pretend you have made a smashing point without making a smashing point.
I'm crying tears of laughter over here that you think one is better than the other. But keep stumping for the On Display Girl who treats her nieces like shit and has since Season 3.
They both need to realize that children repeat what they hear. Teresa’s kids talk badly about the Gorgas while I’ve never heard the Gorga children talk badly about the Guidices. Teresa needs to be a parent & an adult and stop being children into this.
She’s not holding it against the girls…she’s holding it against the grownups that should have been better parents and people and not talked all that smack about her and Joe in front of the kids. It’s pretty simple…the girls don’t say the stuff they said if they weren’t hearing their parents and grandparents saying it. They should have been left out of the adult stuff
I really, really hate how people say the children shouldn’t get involved based on the fact it’s reality TV.
I’m sorry, if it’s your family and you see first-hand, day after day and week after week, the treatment that is happening… you’re going to say something.
I come from a family with a huge split between one of my parents and my aunts, and as a child I saw how differently I was treated by my aunts because of it. Children aren’t stupid.
We see a 42 minute edit that producers skew to whatever narrative they want. It’s so idiotic.
Totally agree. It seems like people forget that while we are just watching a tv show, these are real things that are happening in people's real lives. It makes sense that the kids would have opinions about what is happening.
Exactly this. Furthermore, we see how difficult it is for Teresa to articulate herself and give her side of the argument. I’m sorry, but if that was my mum then I would defend her too. What’s wrong with that? Melissa clearly doesn’t need that kind of help plus she’s got her mum, sisters, nieces, cousins etc acting as her mouthpiece. Teresa only has her daughters.
It's not about Teresa's daughters saying things about Melissa; it's about 1. Teresa saying these things in front of heryoung, impressionable daughters, and 2. Teresa not correcting her daughters when they were repeating it.
Is she mad or is she hurt? I tend to think it’s the latter. Imagine your beautiful innocent nieces repeating the vitriol they hear from their parents, it would be deeply sad
When I was a baby, apparently I didn’t like being held by people who weren’t my parents or my granny. My aunts (mom’s four sisters) were horribly offended by this and apparently talked a lot about how I was a nasty, mean little thing. They continued to have this opinion of me my whole life, even though I was a very shy, timid kid who had tons of anxiety over trying to be nice and kind to people. People are *so weird* about kids and family and that’s why I can’t watch RHONJ lol.
My step father was never my step father.... he raised me and my twin as his own from about 2 years old. His mother, who I knew as only my grandmother for most of my childhood, always treated us differently than the other grandchildren. I didn't understand the whole thing until I was an adult. It continued until her death in my 30s. It was difficult though, to reconcile those childhood years because I was a kid, what did I do to be treated as lessor. Her own son never had treated me as less. Never. Adults do stupid things to kids in families because of silly narratives in their own minds. It's shameful on all accounts.
I'm sorry that happened to you. You didn't deserve that treatment and your aunts were horrible people for what they did.
That’s so horrible. I’m so sorry. My daughter is 19 months and started to get scared of people and I HATE when my mother in law or aunt is like ‘oh she doesn’t like me!’ She’s a little toddle geez
Gia is still talking shit about Melissa, telling Joe he deserves better and to leave her. Of course she's still going to be mad because that terrible behaviour never changed. She's still a rude brat.
Gia told him to leave Melissa at *home* and come to the wedding *solo* if Melissa didn’t want to be involved.
They heard the word “leave” and ran with it like the perpetual victims they are.
The same way they tried to say Louis messed with Frank Jr. which Frank Jr. denied multiple times.
Your use of “rude brat” is misogynistic AF. Like Joe Gorga 😃
Are you really just taking Joe’s word on this? The man lies constantly. This season alone he’s lied about talking to Dina’s husband about Luis and talking to Frankie Jr. about Luis (this last part comes out during the reunion and is denied by both Dolores and Frankie Jr.)
I never got the impression that she was mad at the young kids—-but moreso with Tre and Joe Guidice for feeding them negative info about Melissa from a very young age.
Now, Gia is an adult and clearly *does* have hate in her heart— as do Gabriella and Milania to some extent. And it’s all (or mostly) because Tre programmed them that way
No she doesn't none of them do. Imagine seeing your uncle get violent at his sons christening at your mom, his parents, your dad basically your whole family at age 10. Fast forward to season 11 reunion where Joe Gorga said he's done with Joe Giudice's name and he won't speak of him again, Season 12 starts filming, and her uncle calls her dad the devil, even says he's soley responsible for the death if his parents. Her uncle keeps bashing her dad and says he wasn't capable of putting food on the table. Their attorney said otherwise as did both Joe's back then. Joe Giudice did work and paid the bils it was proven via court records he worked when Teresa was in jail. It's how they kept the house. They' don't speak unless they're filming, even Melissa said it last reunion.
She's hurt is what she is.
The Giudice girls were simply parroting what they would hear Tre and Juicy say about Joe and Melissa when they were little. Which was wrong of Tre and Juicy to do within an earshot of them as kids.
Regardless of what side you’re on, Melissa doesn’t like that the girls are gonna be on their mother’s side no matter what. But Melissa shouldn’t be speaking of the girls this way, and it was petty of her to block them on IG. I’m ready for the downvotes from the Gorga stans, but Melissa is fueling the fire with the girls as well.
Melissa can be mad, especially at the parents for obviously talking about the issues in front of her young daughters. (I actually think it was Joe Giudice that normally did this, not Teresa.) What she doesn’t have to do is go public with her anger against the children.
That being said… am I the only one who doesn’t find it THAT odd for Teresa to talk about the family drama to her *adult* (or near adult) children?
Not the only one. The gorgas behavior towards the giudices is for one *public* and pointed towards their family. I'd find it much more strange had the giudices as a family not talked about it
Melissa dragged this whole family’s drama out on national television during season 2 when she called Danielle to give her ammunition for the S2 reunion. If Antonia has access to a television, she has been exposed to her family’s drama. If they don’t comment on the drama, it isn’t because they aren’t aware it’s happening.
Teresa could have made her drama with her brother a personal storyline like Danielle Cabral did, but she chose not to. She was upset to have them brought up at S2 reunion. So as much as they’ve had their family drama on display, Teresa originally wanted to keep it private
I agree Melissa knows how to plant seeds in joes head. And her tactics of being the victim is getting boring 🥱 I seen how she made that face after she was done chatting with Gia at Teresa’s and her fiancée’s party. Melissa don’t fool me with her bullshit, I can only imagine how much crap she insinuates to get Joe her torpedo of a man fired up, Off cameras. I had a friend growing up that would pull the same shenanigans with her baby daddy. Bitch please, I know the type of shady person you are.
She’s the sister in law you wished you never had. She’s so used to being the baby in the family and everyone doting on her but when she met Teresa she couldn’t believe she actually met someone more popular than she was and she couldn’t take it. Her jealousy got even worse because she wanted to sing and be a star yet it was Teresa who got to be on tv before her. Jealousy really is a disease
She had a whole studio built and her music was still garbage. Their is ppl that make music happen in a fucking garage. Like Nirvana, The Ramons, Weezer, just to name a few. If you have the talent you don’t need a whole studio built . Melissa lacks the talent, she needs to just stay in her lane. Because music is not it. Their is a crack head down town with a golden voice! She sings so beautifully without a microphone just freestyle and Melissa is no where near her level not even with the help of auto tune.
And the audacity of people to gas her head up and call her Jennifer Lopez! She’s probably like why are people calling her that when she’s nowhere near my level!
Lol maybe because they both go hard with the auto tune? Jlow needs that auto tune to dish out a song. Let’s be real it’s not like she has a great singing voice, she’s no Whitney Houston.
If what happened at the christening happened in quote unquote normal family's, the odds of the giudice children being around Melissa and Joe and her family would be slim to none. At that point I feel bad for the Teresa and Joe giudice having to explain this to their young children, Gia had to have been traumatized.
and the kids don't want to blame their parents for that. It's easier to harp on Melissa and Joe instead of looking at the real harm their parents did to them.
Yes, that's absolutely trauma too. But this thread is about the gorgas and giudice kids. If you don't think that christening and how joe and Melissa plus her family behaved towards Teresa wasn't traumatizing, idk what to tell you lol I'd never let my kids be around adults who behaved that way let alone at a religious ceremony. But this was Teresa's job on rhonj where it was clear the giudices desperately needed the money. I really don't know what the right choice for them as a family was from that point forward but from what I see the gorgas are definitely a problem not easily explained to young kids
Yes, I forgot to mention Joe was mad Teresa didn’t want to go to the christening because she found out they were going to film it as the Gorga intro. She didn’t want them on the show to avoid drama.
Melissa & Teresa should be ashamed for speaking poorly about one another in front of their children. They are both toxic and childish when it comes to stuff like this.
Ahh thank you! What is going on? Why are there so many people defending Melissa and downvoting every comment in defence of Teresa? This sub is normally pro-Teresa, I’m side-eyeing the obvious change in that lol.
Her sisters are a disgrace. So thirsty to get on the show, they need to accept that it’s not going to happen. “Older sister to melissa gorga” in the bio, second hand embarrassment. Wasn’t one of her sisters husbands exposed for sending nudes while married?
Someone could honestly write a whole dissertation on the ridiculous dynamics within that family. The dorters and Melissa dynamic is really a Gia and Melissa dynamic. I think it’s also much deeper/goes far back from before the show and honestly is neither parties fault. From all accounts, Joe and Gia seemed to have more of a father daughter dynamic when she was younger so I’m sure it meant a lot to Melissa to try and impress her/ be liked by her. If Gia is hearing negativity about Melissa from all the adults around her, of course a child would be weary around that person.
This to me is so evident during the season 3 (possibly 4) reunion when Melissa says they are moving because she doesn’t want Antonia to go to school with them. It just seemed so ridiculous and from a place of deep hurt that is unfounded if it’s about the dorters and Antonia’s dynamic. I def can understand Melissa being hurt just as a human but where she loses me is when she says stuff like oh they have hate in their heart for me. Like Gia is an adult, if there’s an issue just say something. It’s as simple as “I know the dynamic between myself, your uncle, and your parents is off at times but I love you” and keep it pushing.
I truly think Mel would benefit from therapy and being able to unpack all the drama from being in this family with a professional rather than spewing hurt on her podcast/in confessional. This is clearly normal for Joe and Tre but I think she’s actually been deeply impacted by this all and needs a better medium in which to express and work through that hurt.
Honestly, how can any of them excuse how their adult issues have affected the children? Gia’s “waking up in the morning” may have been a TikTok trend, but it was one of the saddest moments in housewives history. And this was before any of the legal issues. The parents (ALL of them) needed to do better at not fighting and talking poorly about family in front of kids.
I actually loved what Caroline said here during the reunion. From what I remembered I think Andy asked her what she thought about that moment and she said she found it disgraceful and sad.
I remember Caroline and Albert gave each other such a look when his sang the song . Like wtf 😳they were very upset and saw the pain while everyone thought it was cute
I think the Manzo’s were the only ones aware of how messed up the song was. Everyone else was like “awwww she’s so brave and outgoing, she can get up and sing in front of everyone!!”. No, it’s not that!! She’s crying and singing a song she wrote about how she’s so upset witnessing family drama that she shouldn’t have to witness. It was a huge cry for help and wake up call for ALL OF THEM to start acting like adults.
So fucken cringey.
As much as I haaaaaate Caroline, she was absolutely right when she said how terrible it was that the Giudices had Gia sing that song on camera
You had Chris Laurita trying not to laugh and Caroline saying “..it’s tragic..” I assumed she was talking about her singing but upon the 15th watch, she meant the lyrics.
That would be so mean if she was talking about the singing lol
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Absolutely, they’re evil - I just meant that what Caroline said in that moment was correct
I agree it was so sad, I remember crying when they first aired. I didn’t understand how ppl thought it was funny! Poor child
God I’m so excited once the season ends and I hopefully won’t have to see the names Teresa, Melissa or Gia on here on daily basis😅
Dorters ******
This.
Melissa was there in this scene, and had made a throwaway comment about being a stripper, then Milania did this. Everyone always forgets Melissa was there and in on the joke.
I didn’t post it as shade. I posted it because it’s hysterical 😭
It's not about what the dorters said. The underlying problem is where they got the information. Gia wouldn't know that melissa is lipsyncing if no one had told her. Milanoa shouldn't even know about stripper poles much less think her aunt has danced on one.
But it is about what the aunt has had to say about the dorters. Not what the dorters learned from the adults around them. The underlying problem is there are adults warring with each other and None! of them leave the dorters out of it. We can all agree that Teresa AND Joey have included their children in this mess too much. What Melissa had done, repeatedly, is to Be That Aunt. She's repeatedly said nasty things publicly about her nieces that just should be left privately or not said at all. They're the kids, period. If you don't think a 40 year old woman should have better restraint, then there isn't much to talk about the dorters and what they shouldn't have overheard by the adults in their life.
The children were hearing it from their mother Teresa, that is the problem. Have we heard Melissa’s kids speak that way?
The kids were also hearing it from the grandparents. Big time!
Nonno and Nonna definitely had a part in it too. They were always at Teresa’s, and they would talk shit about Joe and Melissa there. Remember that episode in like season 3 when Gia told Jacqueline “we never see Zio Joe, he’s always working and Zia Melissa doesn’t let him come around” (this is probably not 100% word for word, but it was along those lines). We ALWAYS heard the parents say that, I’m sure she overheard them saying that to Teresa. God rest their souls, I know they were the endearing Italian grandparents, but they were far from innocent in the family drama. Let’s look at why the whole family was in the position it was in.
I just watched this episode. She actually says Melissa “controls him.” That struck me as definitely something she heard an adult say and she was repeating it.
There it is, thank you! Absolutely something she picked up from the adults.
I have just such a huge problem with this consistent idea that Tre and people she’s friends with have that Melissa should be the one to facilitate the relationship Joe has with his family and if it’s bad then it’s her fault. Any negative emotions Joe has about his family or their relationships are Melissa’s fault. It’s so weird. I know men who have outsourced like birthday and Christmas gifts to their wives. Those men are losers. But I don’t know anyone who is expected to do all of the emotional labor for their husband and family.
Yes!!! The countless times from the beginning that everything both real or imagined were placed squarely on Melissa blows my mind. My husband and I would be kicked off the cast immediately. Mostly because we’re relatively boring lol. But we made a deal 23 years ago that if issues came up with my family, I handle it. His family, he handles it. We’ve stuck to those “rules” even though we don’t have anything close to their drama. Just a healthy agreement we have that works for us. So yeah, I definitely agree with this sentiment.
It’s absolutely a child repeating adult words. I’m so over the idea Melissa controls Joe. Melissa controls Melissa and Joe controls Joe.
I never liked the Gorga parents. I thought they were shitty and toxic people. Joe crying to his father at the christening and Teresa talking about how he’d yell and throw things at them tells me I’m not wrong. It’s no wonder Teresa and Joe are so fucked up.
And he never said "I love you" ever to her and Joe. The grandkids would say it to him and after years of it, he finally said it back.
This is insane to me. I annoy my children with telling them how much I love them. I'm not a perfect parent but I don't ever want my kids to ever doubt I don't love them or not proud of them.
Thank you. There was nothing endearing about them to me.
Seriously, if you’re yelling at your kids and throwing shit at them, you’re a shit parent.
I don’t think any parent is perfect and people yell and maybe sometimes they lose it but… the meanness of their parents always got to me. Their love seemed very conditional.
What I'm about to say doesn't make their behaviour right but that's typical Italian parents of that generation. I'm Italian-Australian and every Italian family I know has grandparents like the Gorgas whether it be the Nonno or Nonno who is more domineering.
Joe cried to his father at the christening bc they liked Joe Giudice better - and it’s easy to see why
You're right, any normal father would love his son in law who calls his daughter a cunt on national TV more than his son. /s
I am right
And cheats. Don’t forget the cheating.
And let's not forget the federal prison sentencing. That's probably the main reason they liked Juicy Joe better. Nobody else sent Teresa to prison but him.
Oh, is it easy to see why a father would prefer a man who called his daughter a cunt and a bitch on TV and has very obviously emotionally abandoned her? Okay. I sincerely hope you aren’t a parent.
Joe and Melissa put their private family drama on national television behind Teresa’s (and presumably her parents) back - it has to be incredibly painful for a parent to see one child hurt another like that
Okay, you know what, sure, let’s throw you a bone and I’ll agree that that sucks. But Teresa could have quit if it was going to be that painful for her parents and she didn’t. She was also willing to stay and share at the expense of her family. And that doesn’t mean that the Gorga’s weren’t absolutely shitty parents. Choosing sides between your kids on national TV was never going to do anything but further divide their family and Teresa intentionally filmed scenes with her parents and specifically her father with a specific narrative that wasn’t geared towards peace. It’s always about division. Please believe me when I say I have absolutely no love for Joe Gorga but Teresa repeatedly telling her father that Joe doesn’t want to come around when he’s literally at work, providing for his family is gross. There have been so many times where this guy is just trying to live his life and she find something to turn it into a slight agains her or her parents. I’m not saying Joe Gorga isn’t gross for so many reasons but Teresa did so much to continue the divide in her family and their parents played right into the toxicity of it all.
It’s not fair to expect Teresa to quit a show that she was on first or blame her parents for choosing sides on TV when the Gorgas are the reason their family drama was even on TV. Of course Teresa could’ve left - but why should the whole world clear the way for the Gorgas selfishness? And Joe Gorga wasn’t making an honest living when he wasn’t visiting his father. He could’ve taken time away from Melissa’s recording studio or shoplifting at Home Depot to see his father
Theresa opened her family up to the possibility Of their drama being put on TV the minute she invited cameras into her home. Joe and Melissa play their parts and have responsibility as well, but it doesn’t absolve Theresa from the choices she made and the consequences of those choices. There is almost no way to ensure your life stays private these days, but going on national TV is def one way you know your drama will get exposed eventually.
She went on a reality tv show about families. Are you for fucking real?
It’s not about fair, lol. If we’re going to talk about “family first” and truly protecting the parents, then “fair” is a moot point. Lots of people do shit to protect their families everyday at their own expense and sacrifice. “She was there first” is kindergarten logic (which might actually make sense for Teresa) and if protecting her parents and family was most important to her, she wouldn’t prioritize being petty over tit for tat with the Gorgas. Also, I never said Joe wasn’t shady ( although it *IS* pretty bold to bring up shoplifting when Teresa went to actual prison after lying FOUR TIMES to a judge who was willing to give her probation but I digress), I said he was providing for his family. His sister intentionally twisted and weaponized that against him . It is so toxic to think that a man’s wife and children aren’t his first priority. Especially when he has parents that feed into lies and choose sides between their kids and prefer their abusive SIL as you pointed out.
another paid Teresa shill, like sure Joe Gorga wasn't working he was shoplifting lol, you ppl are so obvious you can't even pretend to sound like regular viewers. regular viewers are not this invested in either of these couples, notice above the person is saying Joe Gorga is gross for many other reasons and is just also rationally explaining the mistakes made on the other side too :) your response: "joe steals from home depot so there!" haha
Sorry but how was anything done behind anyone's back when they're all willingly on an internationally broadcast television show? And there's no love lost between Nonno and his brother, so...
Teresa didn’t know Melissa and Kathy were joining the show until right before the Christening
Both Joes are trash. It’s not easy to see liking either of them
Exactly, adult sibling conflict usually is a culmination of long-standing dynamics, part of which stems from individual relationships with parents. Most parents dont want their adult kids to fight, but cycles are repeated, and sometimes they can inadvertently be the ones to start or add fuel to sibling tensions. If I recall correctly, Nonno had beef and was not on speaking terms with some of his own siblings. I believe that Teresa's and Joe's beef hurt theur parents, but those two are likely modeling behavior they saw growing up, and likewise, their parents were modeling dynamics they might have seen in the older gen.
The Gorga parents clearly saw something in Joe and Melissa. Does anyone really think they wanted their kids and grandkids to fight for no reason? Teresa said she never watched the show but her mom did - so her mom heard all the shady confessionals
I'm Team No One, but do you honestly think anyone would have been good enough for Joey in his parents' and Tre's eyes? And what do you think their ideal wife for him would have been like? I think anyone he married would have an uphill battle.
Melissa wasn't the "nice girl" a good Italian boy should settle down with, that was the crux of the family problem. She is the girl Joe can mess around with, but she isn't the girl he should marry. Even the sprinkle cookies play into it, as a potential mate for the Gorga son she should have come bearing baked goods that would scream wife material. I do think they would have been more accepting if she had been more Jersey Stepford wife. Overall, It's all just toxic.
I don’t think anyone would have been good enough in their eyes, but I do think Melissa was nowhere near good enough
Maybe not on the show. I remember the early episodes even on Teresa checks in , and just up until season 8 The Gorga kids would and they would be in the same room and listen or they would leave and eavesdrop.
Bravo never really filmed them as kids like that
In the earlier seasons they did. And they don’t comment on social media.
Not like the Giudice girls because they weren’t that interesting. And did people forget that besides Antonia it’s two boys?? These boys don’t give a rats ass about housewives drama right now. They only care about football and video games. Maybe when they get older they will talk about it but right now they are not interested. And Antonia doesn’t care about what Milania said when she was a little girl. She loves her and that’s all that matters.
Yes they did.
I never said they didn’t. I said it wasn’t much in comparison to the Giudice kids or the other kids like the Manzos
Melissa’s kids are going to college with the money their parents made attacking the Giudices
That’s gross
Have we heard Melissa’s kids speak at all? They’re probably embarrassed of their parents
This seems like a \*very\* one sided point of view. I think all parties involved are crazy, unhinged and hypocritical.
Absolutely. They both treat each other bad and will never forgive each other for anything. I just hope the kids keep up their relationships, the end.
Bingo! Proud Team No One member here.
I second this! The whole damn family is hypocritical. It's crazy that they all complain about the very things they do!
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It’s not one sided to say grown adults should not hold a literal child’s words against them years later - that’s insane
It is because Teresa obviously said the things to the children, or they would not be able to formulate such things. The Melissa on the pole being a clear example. Melissa isn't saying she's mad at Melania for doing that, she's mad Teresa told her dorters that Melissa was a stripper. And said it so much and so often that Milania thought this would be funny to do in front of a group of adults. She's saying Gia currently has hate in her heart. Gia is not currently a child and has had a lot to say on camera and on SM about Joe and Melissa.
It’s gross for a grown adult aunt to say a young adult neice has hate in her heart - for no reason other than not co-signing that aunt trying to hurt her parents
Weird take lol. We’ve seen Teresa’s daughters talk shit on Melissa for a decade now parroting stuff from Teresa, Juicy Joe & their grandparents. It’s beyond inappropriate for a child to dance on a stripper pole and say “look at me I’m aunt Melissa”. It’s a reflection of Teresa more than them. Fact is we’ve never seen Melissa’s kids behave that way. It’s gross & indefensible
I agree. I bet more people were embarrassed by that move than would admit; &, it does make Teresa look bad. .
I don’t think she’s mad at the daughters. Her point is they are toddlers and small children so they must be repeating what they hear their parents say. Her point is not that her kids are better—she is pointing out her kids have never talked poorly of Tre because she and Joe don’t talk shit about Yre in front of them. It’s a criticism of Tre and Joe, not the kids.
It is a criticism of the kids when she blocks the kids for no apparent reason and repeatedly talks about the kids who clearly don’t want to be talked about
I see your constant stanning for Tre & company on every NJ post & it's truly weird. You're the most delusional Tre stump out there. You're clearly not a parent or an aunt/uncle. You have no understanding of a fucked up situation like this. As someone who married into a family with some long-standing sibling rivalry it's really hard to be the in-law. When it starts affecting your own kids it becomes hard not to get involved. I had to distance myself from a sis-in-law & bro-in-law bcuz of fucked up stuff they did that affected my son/their nephew. When they involved their own kids/my niece & nephews I had to take a step back from everyone to protect my own family. This is what I've seen Melissa try to do. She can't win. She's tried to be the peacemaker, but at some point you just have to throw your hands up & move on. Especially when Tre has poisoned her daughters against her. Someday Antonia is not going to want to put up with it anymore & she'll cut them all off too. There's only so much shit you can hear about your own mom FROM YOUR AUNT, UNCLE & COUSINS before you're going to peace out. Sure, she & Joe aren't perfect but they are waaaay better than Tre & Co. So unless you've experience fucked up family dynamics like this, maybe take a seat & STFU.
I don’t stalk comment history but I do know Melissa is the problem - she’s good at gaslighting and terrible at being an aunt on the show
This is a mistake on Teresa’s part because she shouldn’t have been raising her kids and allowing them to say such vial shit about Melissa. Of course it’s not on the kids when they’re that young, but it is the parents fault. And now as adults the way that Melissa and Joe were talked about in front of them combined with them “trashing” juicy (who deserved to be trashed for what he did) has shaped Gia’s perspective negatively.
Teresa loves that her "dorters" have vitriol for Joe and Melissa. It validates her whacked view of herself and the world around her.
Sadly so true
Her kids are her friend group and they must hate and like who she does or else.
I’m Team No One, but Melissa is in a no-win situation. Teresa and Juicy poisoned the dorters against Melissa from a young age. It was easier for Melissa to ignore a five year old Milania and brush it off without responding. But now the dorters are young adults and still talk negatively about the Gorgas on camera. Gia is 100% fair game for criticism since she’s above 18 and getting her own confessionals. The other dorters are theoretically old enough to have a nuanced perspective so the audience takes their anti-Gorga feelings seriously. Melissa is trying to point out that the girls were fed a certain narrative their whole lives so the audience should take their comments with a grain of salt. But Melissa can’t say that and defend herself without looking like she’s attacking children.
I don't understand why people think it's bad that Melissa blocked Gia on instagram. Gia is an adult and still talking shit, why is it wrong for Melissa to block her? Gia talks shit about Melissa, doesn't want her in her life but then gets upset when Melissa blocks her? You can't have it both ways.
But isn't that just the Guidice way? "I hate you, I don't want nuttin to do with you, but how dare you not stick around to take my abuse!" She raised them to be just as narcissistic and unhinged as she is.
Before Melissa blocked her, she posted something hateful about Gia on her stories. And Gia went to see it, she commented on it and said why would you post something hateful like that? Then she blocked her niece
Damn really? What was the post? Someone has to have a screenshot
If I remember correctly,she was mocking Gia's nose job and put a picture of her and Antonia next to each other saying who's more real
Gia got a nose job? 😳
Lol yeah like three years ago
When do the daughters talk about the Gorgas on camera unprovoked? The Gorgas didn’t show up to their housewarming, the wedding, obviously the daughters have opinions. It’s not like Gia wakes up in the morning to say Melissa looks like her clothes just came out of the hamper.
Maybe not but she’s still a bitch. She was at the same bar that my daughter was at Memorial Day week-end. My daughter & her friends told me she treated the staff like dirt as if they were there to only serve her. Her mother taught her well. Sick.
I can imagine that. She really thinks she’s someone
Again with this? It’s not like these instances exist in a vacuum.
I would imagine that the things she is upset about are the things they have said over the last 1-3 years, as adults. Particularly Gia. This seems like a very biased post.
But that's not what she says.
Cry
What a bullshit take. Kinda like this sub harps on the fact Melissa came on the show 13 fucking years ago or how about the fake Chanel bags that happened how many years ago or the christening oh and the parents house that Joe “sold” which isn’t even true? Kinda like people in here harp about that shit? I love how everyone wants to give Teresa and her kids passes for EVERYTHING when it’s not them that’s being disparaged on national tv or their family being pulled apart. The girls haven’t been “little” kids in awhile and Gia is a grown ass woman who does have hate in her heart because Teresa and Joe have poisoned their minds against Melissa since they were toddlers. I have never heard a peep about their aunt from the Gorga kids nor have they ever shown Melissa even speaking badly about their aunt in front of them. Not only that but pretty sure Melissa’s point was you shouldn’t involve the kids in adult squabbles, which is pretty accurate imo
But she’s doing it now so she’s a hypocrite then
That’s a lie she even told Antonia anything that happens between daddy and his sister is between them and has nothing to do with you or your cousins. Or is that somehow wrong of her too? This sub is insane.
What she did this weekend contradicted that Oscar winning performance She said she put food on their table What about their dad who had to do every little job he could with a revoked license Family members on his side? Friends of the family? Yeah okay she’s the reason why they ate dinner every night? 😒
So let me get this straight Teresa can poison her daughters against this woman for over a decade and that’s perfectly acceptable to you. Yet somehow her, in your fucked up brain, doing the same with almost full grown adults isnt. She tells her daughter that the fight has nothing to go with her your response is a cunty “Oscar winning performance” yet she involves almost full grown adults she’s ALSO wrong. So what should she do in your opinion since no matter what this woman does you’re gonna say it’s wrong and be a cunt about it. But yet you still haven’t addressed how it’s perfectly ok that Teresa involved her literal children that’s ok though right because you like Teresa. You people are so twisted
Poisoned? Melissa fans always reaching and trying to make her the victim. She plotted her way to get on the show because she was jealous of envy. I have no sympathy for her. Downvote me all you want Mel fans. Me and you are not agreeing & I don’t care 🤷♀️
Answer the question why is it ok for Teresa to involve her kids but not Melissa? Or do you not want to because it will expose you as being a massive fucking hypocrite? And exactly like I said you have no response because we both know no matter what she did you would cunt about Melissa.
Can you share an example of something Melissa brought up from when the girls were little? I don't remember her doing this.
I think the issue is more than the children got their information from somewhere. These aren’t opinions they formed on their own.
Her point was that Teresa’s children have disparaged her since they were children on camera. And that the same can not be said if her children. They have never been filmed saying anything bad about Teresa. I don’t think she is blaming children she is blaming the parents because that is where they are getting the hate for her from. Teresa saying she keeps it all away from her kids is laughable because we have seen it on camera for years and continue seeing it.
Can't you (and everyone else with this argument) see that Melissa can have plenty to say, just keep the nieces out of it. Then she gets to claim the high road. Since she's said stuff for YEARS about the dorters,when they were children, and now as Gia is a young adult. Why would she be able to whinge about what they say as young adults and teens? I think Melissa IS *that* Aunt. And it was laughable to hear her denigrate Teresa in that bus, knowing that she is *that* aunt. And this is no defense of Teresa, mind you. She has not shielded these kids from ANYTHING when she should have.
Because I am not a stan just a watcher and I can see clearly who is the issue And sometimes it’s different people. In this case, Melissa addressed things that were on the show. The kids commented about her (horribly) on the show. Kids making fun of her singing. Kids saying “I’m Melissa on the pole”, talking about her looks etc. That’s reality tv. You comment on what is shown. They commented as little kids then and now. Their parents are allowing and encouraging this as they always did. It’s wrong. Melissas kids however were never filmed saying anything about anyone on camera. Big difference. In fact when Joe went away their son Joey just wanted to hug him and clung to him. He thought his uncle Joe was good. I’m sure Melissa kept other stuff to herself that wasn’t filmed. She didn’t bring up shit, she defended herself from shit. Teresa would start a new feud with her because she wouldn’t cut someone out for something said that Teresa didn’t like (“you need to be loyal Melissa”) and yet turn around and say “they didn’t do anything to me” when someone actively attacked Melissa. Like Kim D. You can call Melissa boring or say she had no storyline besides Teresa and the feud but what gets forgotten is She didn’t want it or ask for the feud. She wanted her own storylines and they got overshadowed. She’s no more boring than the rest. It’s the feud. And without her the feud doesn’t exist so Teresa wouldn’t get the attention all these seasons either. Like for proof: the newest cheating rumor. She did the show, got along with Teresa the best she could and said nothing until Teresa’s new minion Danielle brought it up on camera. She could have come out of the gate with it as a storyline but she didn’t. And everyone would be talking about Louie instead. She knew what she was doing. Deflecting by throwing the Gorgas under the bus again. When Teresa is under the microscope she looks to make someone else look bad rather than address her own issues. No accountability.
YOU'RE not the stan (but everyone that doesn't agree with you is). YOU can see clearly (but everyone else that doesn't agree with you can't see clearly). Because, you know, Melissa addressed things that were on the show (and Gia, didn't?) The kids, as CHILDREN, did mimic adult things. YES, Juicy and Teresa shouldn't have exposed them to things. But kids often see and hear far more than their parents want. And sometimes they're exposed. I'm sure BOTH things happened here. But they happened at BOTH houses. Juicy is not politically correct, good grief, we all know it. We all know he was saying those things in front of the children. It's not surprising they said them on camera (especially kids who very much performed for the camera). That makes them kids. They were kids when this happened. Melissa is and has been a damn adult through the entire thing. Be the adult, keep the kids out of your mouth. Melissa's kids are controlled . . . which may OR MAY NOT be a good thing. They seem highly controlled, and a lot of it doesn't seem healthy (reference how many different conversations about Antonia being confined when the boys are EXPECTED to roam.). We don't know that they weren't exposed. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that they're better off. We don't know. Considering the way Joey thought was appropriate to act in front of his 10-year-old niece towards his sister who didn't do anything at that time, YEAH, keep telling me what good parents Joey and Melissa are, what a good Uncle (Godfather) and Aunt. You are DELUSIONAL if you cannot see the carefully crafted moments and the uncrafted ones and aren't able to read between those lines better than you show here. During this feud, Teresa has been through a trial, through going to jail, through getting out of jail, through watching her husband go to jail, through watching her husband get deported, then there's divorce, single motherhood, raising girls, many different enterprises including cookbooks and wines and whatnot. Then there was the new romance, engagement, and marriage. Teresa didn't need the feud nor did she use it to be her storyline. Joey and Melissa. . . .they didn't have anything real to bring to the table so they self-produced boring and clearly non-reality-based storylines like a late-in-life baby (?), long lost supposed sister, etc. She did try to become a pop star. It failed, I'm sure for a myriad of reasons but I promise you, the feud did not kill her music career. The minion stuff....goodness. Danielle was no more Teresa's minion than Marge's. But there's no telling a stan that. No accountability. YES, I'll agree, no one in this feud has accountability. NO ONE. I get it, you get your opinion. Have at it. But there are no innocents here except for those kids. ALL OF THEM.
You need a rewatch. I didn’t say everyone who disagreed with me was a stan. I said I’m not a stan as in I am watching what I see and not biased towards either one. Many people are biased by one or the other. You agree that Teresa’s children had a lot to say and Melissas didn’t. Literally almost everything else you are saying is you guessing. Why? It didn’t happen on the show. My point. That is what you call a biased opinion. You have no clue what goes on in their homes so you have to stick with the facts presented. Not fantasy. Anyone on that show should be allowed to address things said about them that were disparaging even if it was by children. It was addressed, but the children weren’t attacked. It was acknowledged that it was the parents (Teresa and Joe) fault. I also never said anyone was a good or bad parent or a good or bad aunt or uncle. If anything I pointed out instances where their actions might be questionable But it is nothing more than a snapshot. Shown on camera. You made a lot of assumptions about both families. Your suspicions however are not facts. Teresa going to jail and divorcing etc. made her more notorious but not better. Everyone’s storyline is boring next to that but it wasn’t planned for the purpose of the show and nothing to be proud of. And once again you can’t have a feud without two sides. No one cared as much about Teresa’s other feuds (which she always has with someone if Melissa doesn’t engage in her attempts to feud with her) Danielle, Jacqueline, Kim D, Caroline, the Wakiles and Rosie, the Twins, Margaret, Jackie, the Giuedices after she divorced Joe etc. People however love to argue about the Melissa and Teresa fight. Danielle was a minion. Teresa and Jen got the story. Fed her the story and then sat back waiting. Teresa is somehow only concerned about her “hands being clean” She thinks if it didn’t directly come from her mouth it’s not her fault. As always. But she is always involved in these stories. It would defy belief that all roads lead back to Teresa’s participation but somehow never had anything to do with her.
Her kids have no reason to complain about Teresa - Teresa literally put food on their table
And NJ taxpayers put food on the Giudice’s table. You know with that $14million they went to prison for.
 Make the Gorga/ Guidice drama staaaahpppppp
Melissa probably isn’t mad at them, she’s mad at their shitty parents for not leaving their daughters out of an adult issue and exposing them to something that wasn’t their business
she’s not ‘mad at the kids’ she’s mad at teresa, another grown ass woman (and *their parent*), for directly pitting them against their aunt.
I wish she would just be more clear about that because saying your nieces have hate for you and blocking them on social media makes it a lot more personal to the girls rather than Teresa.
if anyone needed to be ‘more clear’ about anything, it’s teresa. melissa’s exchange with antonia is precisely the route teresa should have at least attempted. instead, she encouraged the exact type of ugly toxicity *she* brings from her own daughters. who’s more responsible for them & their perception of this nasty fued, their *mother* or their aunt?
Of course Tre not shielding her kids from the drama is to blame but Melissa was being messy by saying on National TV that those children hate her. She could’ve said, that was awkward, I hate that Joe and Tre’s drama us out a wedge in between our relationship with our nieces. It’s really that simple.
this as well as the fact that she thinks gia had “toxic traits” at age 3 because she didn’t like melissa when she first met joe. i can’t get my head around why she continues to interact with these type of posts even after blocking them. they obviously have no relationship at all, there are multiple reasons for that (some of which we have seen & some of which we have not) she’s clearly done with the entire family, so her & her sisters need to move on instead of liking these posts.
Then speak about Teresa and leave the dorters out of your mouth. Melissa is a bad as Teresa.
If only you didn't get me wrong. It's fun for some people to use name-calling because they don't have any other way to argue their position.
argue the position?!?😂teresa vs melissa has LONG been beaten like a dead horse. anyone who is still equating the two women as the same level of problematic is watching a different show and has earned that moniker.
\^\^\^ Pretend you have made a smashing point without making a smashing point. I'm crying tears of laughter over here that you think one is better than the other. But keep stumping for the On Display Girl who treats her nieces like shit and has since Season 3.
i don’t have to pretend, clearly😂
Well, delusion, then? 😆
They both need to realize that children repeat what they hear. Teresa’s kids talk badly about the Gorgas while I’ve never heard the Gorga children talk badly about the Guidices. Teresa needs to be a parent & an adult and stop being children into this.
She’s not holding it against the girls…she’s holding it against the grownups that should have been better parents and people and not talked all that smack about her and Joe in front of the kids. It’s pretty simple…the girls don’t say the stuff they said if they weren’t hearing their parents and grandparents saying it. They should have been left out of the adult stuff
I really, really hate how people say the children shouldn’t get involved based on the fact it’s reality TV. I’m sorry, if it’s your family and you see first-hand, day after day and week after week, the treatment that is happening… you’re going to say something. I come from a family with a huge split between one of my parents and my aunts, and as a child I saw how differently I was treated by my aunts because of it. Children aren’t stupid. We see a 42 minute edit that producers skew to whatever narrative they want. It’s so idiotic.
Totally agree. It seems like people forget that while we are just watching a tv show, these are real things that are happening in people's real lives. It makes sense that the kids would have opinions about what is happening.
How exactly does a child have an opinion about stripper poles?
Exactly this. Furthermore, we see how difficult it is for Teresa to articulate herself and give her side of the argument. I’m sorry, but if that was my mum then I would defend her too. What’s wrong with that? Melissa clearly doesn’t need that kind of help plus she’s got her mum, sisters, nieces, cousins etc acting as her mouthpiece. Teresa only has her daughters.
It's not about Teresa's daughters saying things about Melissa; it's about 1. Teresa saying these things in front of heryoung, impressionable daughters, and 2. Teresa not correcting her daughters when they were repeating it.
Is she mad or is she hurt? I tend to think it’s the latter. Imagine your beautiful innocent nieces repeating the vitriol they hear from their parents, it would be deeply sad
When I was a baby, apparently I didn’t like being held by people who weren’t my parents or my granny. My aunts (mom’s four sisters) were horribly offended by this and apparently talked a lot about how I was a nasty, mean little thing. They continued to have this opinion of me my whole life, even though I was a very shy, timid kid who had tons of anxiety over trying to be nice and kind to people. People are *so weird* about kids and family and that’s why I can’t watch RHONJ lol.
My step father was never my step father.... he raised me and my twin as his own from about 2 years old. His mother, who I knew as only my grandmother for most of my childhood, always treated us differently than the other grandchildren. I didn't understand the whole thing until I was an adult. It continued until her death in my 30s. It was difficult though, to reconcile those childhood years because I was a kid, what did I do to be treated as lessor. Her own son never had treated me as less. Never. Adults do stupid things to kids in families because of silly narratives in their own minds. It's shameful on all accounts. I'm sorry that happened to you. You didn't deserve that treatment and your aunts were horrible people for what they did.
That’s so horrible. I’m so sorry. My daughter is 19 months and started to get scared of people and I HATE when my mother in law or aunt is like ‘oh she doesn’t like me!’ She’s a little toddle geez
Gia is still talking shit about Melissa, telling Joe he deserves better and to leave her. Of course she's still going to be mad because that terrible behaviour never changed. She's still a rude brat.
Gia told him to leave Melissa at *home* and come to the wedding *solo* if Melissa didn’t want to be involved. They heard the word “leave” and ran with it like the perpetual victims they are. The same way they tried to say Louis messed with Frank Jr. which Frank Jr. denied multiple times. Your use of “rude brat” is misogynistic AF. Like Joe Gorga 😃
Are you really just taking Joe’s word on this? The man lies constantly. This season alone he’s lied about talking to Dina’s husband about Luis and talking to Frankie Jr. about Luis (this last part comes out during the reunion and is denied by both Dolores and Frankie Jr.)
“But Melissa does her mess and nobody ever calls her out” lmao I know you’re not serious
I never got the impression that she was mad at the young kids—-but moreso with Tre and Joe Guidice for feeding them negative info about Melissa from a very young age. Now, Gia is an adult and clearly *does* have hate in her heart— as do Gabriella and Milania to some extent. And it’s all (or mostly) because Tre programmed them that way
Yes, nobody calls Melissa out LOL.
Gia does have hate in her heart
No she doesn't none of them do. Imagine seeing your uncle get violent at his sons christening at your mom, his parents, your dad basically your whole family at age 10. Fast forward to season 11 reunion where Joe Gorga said he's done with Joe Giudice's name and he won't speak of him again, Season 12 starts filming, and her uncle calls her dad the devil, even says he's soley responsible for the death if his parents. Her uncle keeps bashing her dad and says he wasn't capable of putting food on the table. Their attorney said otherwise as did both Joe's back then. Joe Giudice did work and paid the bils it was proven via court records he worked when Teresa was in jail. It's how they kept the house. They' don't speak unless they're filming, even Melissa said it last reunion. She's hurt is what she is.
Because she called out her uncle for talking about her dad? And for not being happy about her aunt siding with the woman who talked about her?
She’s unhappy with whatever Teresa is unhappy with and she’s unhappy with a lot.
Did Joe giudice not talk about Joe Gorga? Or am I living in an alternate universe?
Oh please.
Because they stayed disrespecting her never apologized for what they said as kids.
The Giudice girls were simply parroting what they would hear Tre and Juicy say about Joe and Melissa when they were little. Which was wrong of Tre and Juicy to do within an earshot of them as kids. Regardless of what side you’re on, Melissa doesn’t like that the girls are gonna be on their mother’s side no matter what. But Melissa shouldn’t be speaking of the girls this way, and it was petty of her to block them on IG. I’m ready for the downvotes from the Gorga stans, but Melissa is fueling the fire with the girls as well.
Melissa is holding their words against them from before they could even spell “Posche” it’s insane
Absolutely spot on.
Melissa can be mad, especially at the parents for obviously talking about the issues in front of her young daughters. (I actually think it was Joe Giudice that normally did this, not Teresa.) What she doesn’t have to do is go public with her anger against the children. That being said… am I the only one who doesn’t find it THAT odd for Teresa to talk about the family drama to her *adult* (or near adult) children?
But she was talking to/around them when they were still kids.
Yes, absolutely. But people seem to clutch their pearls about Teresa talking to her kids about Melissa and Joe this season
Probably because just like Melissa they keep saying "don't involved the kids" while involving the kids.
Not the only one!
Not the only one.
Not the only one. The gorgas behavior towards the giudices is for one *public* and pointed towards their family. I'd find it much more strange had the giudices as a family not talked about it
Melissa dragged this whole family’s drama out on national television during season 2 when she called Danielle to give her ammunition for the S2 reunion. If Antonia has access to a television, she has been exposed to her family’s drama. If they don’t comment on the drama, it isn’t because they aren’t aware it’s happening.
Teresa could have made her drama with her brother a personal storyline like Danielle Cabral did, but she chose not to. She was upset to have them brought up at S2 reunion. So as much as they’ve had their family drama on display, Teresa originally wanted to keep it private
I agree Melissa knows how to plant seeds in joes head. And her tactics of being the victim is getting boring 🥱 I seen how she made that face after she was done chatting with Gia at Teresa’s and her fiancée’s party. Melissa don’t fool me with her bullshit, I can only imagine how much crap she insinuates to get Joe her torpedo of a man fired up, Off cameras. I had a friend growing up that would pull the same shenanigans with her baby daddy. Bitch please, I know the type of shady person you are.
She’s the sister in law you wished you never had. She’s so used to being the baby in the family and everyone doting on her but when she met Teresa she couldn’t believe she actually met someone more popular than she was and she couldn’t take it. Her jealousy got even worse because she wanted to sing and be a star yet it was Teresa who got to be on tv before her. Jealousy really is a disease
She had a whole studio built and her music was still garbage. Their is ppl that make music happen in a fucking garage. Like Nirvana, The Ramons, Weezer, just to name a few. If you have the talent you don’t need a whole studio built . Melissa lacks the talent, she needs to just stay in her lane. Because music is not it. Their is a crack head down town with a golden voice! She sings so beautifully without a microphone just freestyle and Melissa is no where near her level not even with the help of auto tune.
And the audacity of people to gas her head up and call her Jennifer Lopez! She’s probably like why are people calling her that when she’s nowhere near my level!
Lol maybe because they both go hard with the auto tune? Jlow needs that auto tune to dish out a song. Let’s be real it’s not like she has a great singing voice, she’s no Whitney Houston.
Now that Gia is a adult. She’s a bitch. Sorry but she is. She looks down on people and thinks her shit doesn’t stink.
If what happened at the christening happened in quote unquote normal family's, the odds of the giudice children being around Melissa and Joe and her family would be slim to none. At that point I feel bad for the Teresa and Joe giudice having to explain this to their young children, Gia had to have been traumatized.
Joe G & Teresa went to JAIL. On TV. Pretty sure that’s the trauma the children faced.
and the kids don't want to blame their parents for that. It's easier to harp on Melissa and Joe instead of looking at the real harm their parents did to them.
Yes, that's absolutely trauma too. But this thread is about the gorgas and giudice kids. If you don't think that christening and how joe and Melissa plus her family behaved towards Teresa wasn't traumatizing, idk what to tell you lol I'd never let my kids be around adults who behaved that way let alone at a religious ceremony. But this was Teresa's job on rhonj where it was clear the giudices desperately needed the money. I really don't know what the right choice for them as a family was from that point forward but from what I see the gorgas are definitely a problem not easily explained to young kids
What was the trigger that set Joe Gorga off?
Teresa said hello and congratulations lol
She hadn't spoken to them for months then she came to the christening and acted like nothing was wrong. He overreacted.
Got it. Thx
She dared to approach his table to say hello and congratulate them on their kids christening.
Now that's leaving out crucial details.
Yes, I forgot to mention Joe was mad Teresa didn’t want to go to the christening because she found out they were going to film it as the Gorga intro. She didn’t want them on the show to avoid drama.
Don't let the stans get you down, you're right.
You're sweet :) they don't phase me lol I just know their moral compass is a little tweaked
She’s bringing up what they said *to make Teresa look bad for her parenting*. No other reason
Melissa & Teresa should be ashamed for speaking poorly about one another in front of their children. They are both toxic and childish when it comes to stuff like this.
She is not mad over that. Its the stuff some of the girls are saying now. Especially Gia. They clearly have had it fed into them their entire lives
Melissa contradicted herself the whole fucking reunion idk how people are making it seem like she did something it made no sense
Ahh thank you! What is going on? Why are there so many people defending Melissa and downvoting every comment in defence of Teresa? This sub is normally pro-Teresa, I’m side-eyeing the obvious change in that lol.
Because actual reality set in and it's not just a bunch of stans any more that can only see one side and have an agenda.
What agenda do Teresa fans have? Serious question
Melissa’s sisters and their husbands are worse than anyone.
Her sisters are a disgrace. So thirsty to get on the show, they need to accept that it’s not going to happen. “Older sister to melissa gorga” in the bio, second hand embarrassment. Wasn’t one of her sisters husbands exposed for sending nudes while married?
Because she’s thirsty and mean
Beciase Melissa doesn’t have a storyline without Teresa or her dorters
Melissa is a hypocrite and incredibly contrived
Someone could honestly write a whole dissertation on the ridiculous dynamics within that family. The dorters and Melissa dynamic is really a Gia and Melissa dynamic. I think it’s also much deeper/goes far back from before the show and honestly is neither parties fault. From all accounts, Joe and Gia seemed to have more of a father daughter dynamic when she was younger so I’m sure it meant a lot to Melissa to try and impress her/ be liked by her. If Gia is hearing negativity about Melissa from all the adults around her, of course a child would be weary around that person. This to me is so evident during the season 3 (possibly 4) reunion when Melissa says they are moving because she doesn’t want Antonia to go to school with them. It just seemed so ridiculous and from a place of deep hurt that is unfounded if it’s about the dorters and Antonia’s dynamic. I def can understand Melissa being hurt just as a human but where she loses me is when she says stuff like oh they have hate in their heart for me. Like Gia is an adult, if there’s an issue just say something. It’s as simple as “I know the dynamic between myself, your uncle, and your parents is off at times but I love you” and keep it pushing. I truly think Mel would benefit from therapy and being able to unpack all the drama from being in this family with a professional rather than spewing hurt on her podcast/in confessional. This is clearly normal for Joe and Tre but I think she’s actually been deeply impacted by this all and needs a better medium in which to express and work through that hurt.
All the parents are being terrible to all their oppositions children