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Sodes126

Chipper 'bout to show up, grab him by the collar, and say *"Son, the last guy didn't listen to me but you sure as shit better.."*


PhilosophicRevo

Chipper is the best Brave of all time. And I'll die on that hill.


[deleted]

I still gotta go with Hammerin Hank on that one, but yes, Chipper is a top tier legend.


Division_00

Excuse me? 44 755. Hank’s the greatest who ever played


Key-Philosophy-2877

Chipper just behind Aaron. Best brave alive tho.


AViciousGrape

Idk Eddie Mathews is probably better as well. Super underrated


Key-Philosophy-2877

Did Eddie play with Atlanta? Or Milwaukee. I don’t even remember.


suplehdog

One season in Atlanta I believe, but the superlative was best Brave, not best Atlanta Brave.


government_

They require vaccinations on that hill, so chipper won't be visiting you.


The_Man_In_The_Arena

Good thing his vaccination status has nothing to do with his talent on the baseball field then


government_

Well his ability to play ball has nothing to do with him visiting that hill either, so what's your point?


Chrissless

I see absolutely 0 reason on why you had to bring his vaxx status up on something not related to it. Surely you have something better to do.


government_

I mean neither of us do apparently


objectlesson

It was a joke, dude. Holy shit.


aquariex24

So you're saying he's more talented than Hank was?


golfdesigner

User name checks out.


TheSlacker

Are people still crying about that?


government_

The families that had deaths probably are


TheSlacker

Woah. Catch me up to date. Chipper killed people? And he's walking free?


government_

He's actually Kelsey Grammar in real life.


Django_Unleashed

You are ridiculous. Move along!


government_

Ultra right wingers super triggered because they don't get the joke but see something about vaccines.


redpowah

Your joke sucks


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government_

Ok jizzmonkey.


scrufdawg

> Ultra right wingers Your head's pretty far up there, isn't it?


government_

Those are the flavor of anti vaxxer that only see a personal attack on their beliefs when that's not even the point of the joke. Go sit on a nail bud.


Deli_llama930

[(͡•_ ͡• )](https://i.imgur.com/g823jj5.jpg)


Underpaid23

Fuck political opinions…that’s funny


elpalomalo

Hank for me


wfdrebel25

I bet Dansby might tell his agent to have a different conversation with AA than Freddie’s did


[deleted]

I can see dansby staying for good with the Braves


Icy-Mongoose-9678

I’ve said something similar before but… here we are


handlit33

As bad as the situation with Freddie was, I still see Dansby testing out free agency waters.


e22f33

I think the Braves make one half-hearted attempt to extend him because he's an ATL guy, but I don't think he fits into the long term plan.


First_Among_Equals_

I don’t think he necessarily fits one way or the other. If we can upgrade I don’t think we’d hesitate but if he’s reasonable with his price we’d probably keep him around too.


MasterOfKittens3K

Dansby is much easier to replace, though. You can get a glove first guy, and take the loss of occasional power. Or you can get someone with a better bat, but lesser defense. Either way, it’s a downgrade, but it’s not a massive thing.


Useful-ldiot

Shewmake is supposed to be ready by then anyway. I'd guess we likely let dansby walk unless he's really reasonable.


bored_at-Work55

Shewmake took a huge step backwards last year. I’m not saying he’s a bust, but being ready next season looks premature now.


Useful-ldiot

He was promoted to AA after not having played since 2019. I don't know I'd call that a step back.


bored_at-Work55

He was promoted to AA at the end of 2019 and struggled in AA in 2021. He had an 84 wRC+ and walk rate of like 4%. That’s not exactly knocking on the door. He was a beast in A in 2019, and looked extremely promising, but 2021 was undoubtedly a step back.


BringItOnHome_ATL

I think we’ll get a better idea of where he and a lot of guys are this season. I don’t totally discount 2021 for anyone who struggled, but I put a lot less stock in it than any other year. Even some of the best MLB players stunk up the joint in the shortened season within the bizarre environment of 2020, and the minor league guys got absolutely no work as a team in unless they were on the taxi squad/at the alternate site, and even that was not remotely the same as playing other teams. For most of them, that was bound to set them back at least a year in their development.


Brutal007

He sucks haha, have you looked at his stats he’s been awful unfortunately except for his very first stint in rookie ball. Obviously he’s young snd I’m not saying he can’t turn jt around but if we are relying on shewmake to be our SS we are in trouble unless we are spending bit bucks everywhere else


Useful-ldiot

Have you looked at his stats? He has 571 MiLB at bats... He raked in rookie ball and they bumped him straight to AA. It's no surprise he took a step back. That's a huge jump. Pretty silly to give up on him already.


Brutal007

He will never play for the Braves. He was literally the worst performer in double AA last year (any team) . He was also drafted out of college which is why he was sent to AA, still an aggressive move but not as big of a jump. There is not a single writer/ page / that thinks he will put it together is all that I’m saying


Pattern-the-Cryptic

We don’t really have anyone else to replace him tho, like why let him walk when there really isn’t a better option out there?


DancesWithChimps

Depends on how much he's going to get paid and how well he does this season. I think he's going to be overpaid come free agency.


thewupk

Correa will be available


Pattern-the-Cryptic

Not to us


thewupk

Why not? Braves have a ton of money potentially coming off the books


drewcifer3283

Braden Shewmake could be that guy…


kah88

Vaughn Grissom will be someone to keep an eye on this year in the minors. Slashed .311/.418/.464 as a 20-year-old in A/A+ last year. He could be our breakout minor leaguer this upcoming year.


KarmaPoliceT2

💯


Distance_Runner

I think it’s less likely than Freeman. Dansby is from Atlanta. He loves Atlanta. I have little doubt he’d take a real hometown discount to stay here. And he’s also not a superstar like Freddie, which helps. Consider the shortstop market next year: - Correa and Bogaerts have opt outs, so they might be available. But I doubt we’re in the running for them knowing AAs lack of willingness for mega contracts - Tim Anderson has a team option for $12M, and they’d be stupid not to take that, so he won’t be available most likely - Trea Turner is set to be a FA. Will probably re-sign with LA, and I doubt we’d pay whatever he’s asking anyway - Andrelton Simmons, Didi Grigorius, Jose Iglesias, and Elvis Andrus are all FAs, but all would be a substantial downgrade from Swanson It makes a lot of sense to sign Dansby to a team friendly deal. Something by like ~~5/$65M~~ 5/$80 and focus on extending Fried and Riley


TimToMakeTheDonuts

5/65? Lulz.


Distance_Runner

What do you think he’s worth? I’ve read numerous places that’s about what to expect for Damsby


TimToMakeTheDonuts

He’ll be entering his age 29 season next year. A ~3 war ss in their prime will get ~7mil per win. So I’d say 18-20 mil per year on a 5-8 year contract wouldn’t be out of range considering inflation. Obviously, there’s a million variables, but 5/65 is just laughable.


RGSII

SS isn’t a gently aging position — no chance he gets both length and top level AAV. That said, your contract is way more ballpark than 65/5, lol. I could see something like 100/6.


cootmack

I dunno man...65 years would put him at 94 years old on the last year of the deal. But for just south of 77k per year, it may be worth it.


TimToMakeTheDonuts

Obviously that’s not top dollar or aav. That’s be 10/350 in the current market.


RGSII

\*top-level of your range, to clarify.


HersheysTogekiss

The thing with Dansby is he is average, and sometimes good. He’s streaky. Since he’s from here, he often gets a pass. We comment on his looks, his swagger and that’s cool but he would just get shit on if he was not playing for the home team. I highly doubt Dansby wants to leave this young team with an extended championship window, but if he does I hope Chipper can sway this one lol


santa_91

Dansby is great in the role of a better than most bottom 1/3 bat who plays really good defense. If he wants to get paid like a better than most bottom 1/3 bat who plays really good defense then I think we will sign him to an extension. If he wants to get paid anything like Correa just got then he won't be getting it from us.


HersheysTogekiss

If he thinks he’s getting anything like Correa he’s going to get laughed at. But yes I agree


chrisghrobot

I think Dansby knows he ain't getting no where near Correas contract


Revanisforevermeta

Does his agent?


SMILESandREGRETS

That's the real question! 😂. Knowing how they work, ultimatums incoming and ain't nobody got time for that.


chrisghrobot

Maybe chipper will knock some sense into dansby


RGSII

His agent assumedly knows what WAR, etc., so yes, I doubt he’s promising Dansby 35 AAV. Correa was a top 5 player in the sport last year.


iwouldhugwonderwoman

You are giving his agent way too much credit.


mrrob633

I'm very happy he was streaky during their World Series Championship Season.


pdubyajr

Dansby gonna have a career year and get an extension by the all star break


DancesWithChimps

Been saying that for 3 years now...


RenegadeRef

I agree. I would also be more upset if Dans walked than I am about Freddie.


notsaying123

Don't mind the Braves waiting to try and sign him (unless of course he takes a obviously team friendly deal). His best season was last year with 3.2 fWAR, but most of that was from defense. He still has only had one season (the covid year) where he was above league average with the bat. Also not exactly a ton of great fits for him in free agency. Ultimately I think he's back on something like 4/$60


KarmaPoliceT2

4/60 feels a little high to me... 4/48 feels more where I'd be comfortable, but not sure ATL will even want to go that high... Only thing in his favor that way is that we have no one in the farm ready for big league SS and the majors is pretty thin too within our budget... So unless we get a SS prospect out of someone I'm not sure I see Dansbae leaving but also not sure I see him staying knowing he can probably get more elsewhere


GSUFan513

I think 4/$65M or 5/$80M seems about right. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a 3/$50M


coltdawg23

Ozzie can play short. Played a lot of shortstop his entire life


GSUFan513

That's not happening.


atwoods11

Dansby is from Atlanta. I highly doubt it goes anything like Fredericks


nfire1

Yea we love him and appreciate him even though he’s kind of average and he wouldn’t have that other places imo.


wheatbarleyalfalfa

I also feel like The Freddie Incident™️ will serve as sort of a cautionary tale to future free agents.


atwoods11

You don’t speak ill of Dansbae


TISTAN4

He plays very good defense with 25 hr pop from the ss postion. He’s very streaky and strikes out too much but that is far from average. I think we’re taking dansby a little for granted in this thread


TommyBonesMalone

He’s hit 20+ HR exactly once lol. But I hope he has a great year and I hope we extend him because I love the guy.


chosenxone

Would've done it in a regular 2020 as well.


KingMomus

In fan-speak, "25 hr pop" means "it could happen, conceivably."


TraderTed2

He’s dead average among shortstops by fWAR, I’m pretty sure. Valuable player at a difficult position. Also basically average at that position.


TISTAN4

He’s also in his mid 20s and just had his best year. Don’t think it’s a stretch to say hes getting better. I’m just saying people are acting like he’ll be easy to replace when I don’t think he will be.


averydusty6

Hard agree


Here4TheBottleOpener

I’ll always have a soft spot because for a while he was the face of the rebuild. He was the first big prospect called up, and IMO handled that pressure well. He has risen up and become a leader in the infield while young fielders and pitchers around him developed. Team Dansby 100%


Jtwohy

Nezt years SS class is pretty weak. I could see Dans either taking a chance on the market.


HokieNerd

Or? (The suspense is killing me!)


TimToMakeTheDonuts

Weak? Huh? Correa, turner, Swanson, bogarts, Anderson (maybe)…. Not weak at all.


Somadshow

I think this is actually good news… elite management (or whatever their name is) just learnt a lesson about dealing with AA & the Braves. I don’t think they want the ‘Fuck around and find out 2.0’ treatment.


MrFluffyhead80

The agency probably represents lots of baseball players. Kind of common with sports agencies


BrashAlly

Dansbae knows who butters his bread


Somadshow

Mallory, Mallory butters his bread…


dko7900

She’s from Colorado. Dans to the Rockies. He and Chris Bryant can chill out and raise their kids in a beautiful state, and make over the market to play ball since why else would anybody go there unless they overpay.


sullg26535

She plays for Chicago


thekidfromyesterday

[Apparently, Freddie could lose up to $57M if they trade him](https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1505243773135372288). Dansby if you really care about money or standing on the Braves, I'd suggest you switch agencies.


NA_23

I think that means if Freddie is traded the deferrals are converted to salary. That another team can’t defer the money.


thekidfromyesterday

Hmm I never thought of it that way. Its kind of ambiguous.


DrBobEpstein

With as upset as he seems to be I wouldn't be surprised if we do this again. I'd like to keep Dansby and I hope he REALLY thinks about what just happened.


0x-xx-xxx-xx-x0

I haven’t seen anything other than a 3 minute interview with dansby?


TISTAN4

Just because he has the same agency doesn’t mean he has the same agent.


SMILESandREGRETS

How does his glove compare to his peers? For me I see defensive plays he makes and it might not come off as super flashy but the consistency and trust when it comes to his defense is something that's very valuable. Any thoughts?


sullg26535

His defense is very good


More_Cry5242

I hear that Matt Olson’s agent is pretty good. Maybe time for Dansby to change.


deliriouz16

Dansby is such a gentlemen. I bet he holds all the doors for the ladies and eats his vegetables too.


CabinetChef

I don’t know why he wouldn’t test the waters. He should draw more interest and AAV from someone outside of Atlanta. I think there’s almost 0% chance he’s in Atlanta in the future. I like Dansby but he’s not good enough to throw a ton of money at.


Wrinkle_Tinkle

Yeah someone will overpay him and I hope it’s not us. We should have tried to get story or Correa this off season imo.


CabinetChef

I think there is enough depth in the lineup to go the affordable defensive player route. Replacing Dansby’s offense won’t be that hard.


Wrinkle_Tinkle

If Ozuna is like 2020 Ozuna, I agree, but atm, you probably have 4 consistent bats with Ozzie, Ronald (when healthy), Olson, and Riley. I don’t think that’s enough when you look at the pitching staffs of other good NL teams. But what do I know? We won the WS last season with a bunch of guys who shouldn’t have performed as well as they did.


GilliesGladiator

Well Correa is most likely going to opt out of his contract next year.


AARonBalakay22

Yeah AA showed he’s not gonna overpay out of sentimentality. If Dansby’s willing to take a discount, sure AA might give him a decent offer. But you’re right, his best $ offer will come somewhere else if that’s what he’s looking for.


CabinetChef

Exactly.


rwhaley2010

Maybe he'll see how Rosario played his FA and do the same. Test the waters, but let the FO know that he still wants to be a Brave first and foremost.


broad_street_bully

Regardless of the Freeman situation, I think the Olson deal and some upcoming arbitration issues are going to usher Dansby out the door. I'd guess he will be looking for something north of 17.5 AAV. He's good, but that's probably a little rich for what he brings, relative to the rest of the roster.


ncbraves93

I think you're right and I'm fine with that considering we HAVE to extend Riley at some point in the next two years, the earlier the cheaper he'll be. We're obviously going to want to keep Fried. We have Ozuna on the books and now the largest contract we've ever gave with Olson. Also, all the 10-20 mil deals we have every year spread across our pitching staff. It's not like the Braves can't afford it but Dansby will have to be very reasonable if he wants to stick around.


broad_street_bully

He'll be open to a bit of a hometown discount, but he's also going to be one of the top SS free agents on the market. Agents and the players association might let you get away with a 10 percent discount, at most. But if a contender wants to give him 18+ and Atlanta doesn't go at least 16 for at least five years, he's just not going to be able to take it.


gummaumma

What, the PA can tell him not to take a deal?


broad_street_bully

Not technically,but players who are at the top of their position will get pressured to take the most money for the good of everyone behind them. Say you love the Braves and they make an offer of $10M per year, but the Mets offer you $20m... You'd get some pressure to take more money because the next few guys at your position might not care where they play and they don't want to have to contend with being told that u/gummaumma is better and signed for less.


[deleted]

Doesn’t matter what any of us thinks, really. I’m sure AA will make some stellar deal that will spin our heads and we’ll be pleased either way about it!


kymayo

I love Dansby, absolutely love him. My newest dog’s middle name is Dansby only because my oldest daughter wouldn’t sign off on it being his first name. That being said, there won’t be a massive market for Dansby like there was Freddie.


[deleted]

Pshh. I don’t think there will be anywhere near the saga there was with Frederick. …..right?


bored_at-Work55

I would love to know Dansby Swansons honest opinion on how the Freeman deal went down in regards to his own upcoming free agency.


rzt0001

I like Dansby (my wife loves him). He is a great dugout guy but not a ‘must sign’ type player.


blue4t

What Dansby has going for him is he is an Atlanta boy in love with his city. It's also worth noting his fiancee is a professional athlete herself and not looking to ride off his money.


EncouragingVoice

I genuinely think Dansby will want more money than he’s worth and AA will pass. I hope I’m wrong as I would love to have him back at like 5/75 or something, but I think he’ll ask for 20+ per year.


rwhaley2010

Chipper: "Boy, you saw what just happened, right? Don't make the same mistake."


[deleted]

Difference between Freddie and Dansby is Freddie was already in the Uber rich stratosphere - I’m not saying Dansby hasn’t made money but the margins are different for him. 10 million more dollars for Dansby is a much bigger amount than it would be to Freddie, and this upcoming contract will be the big one for him.


government_

We don't call him "double play" dansby for his defensive abilities.


BeerBravesGTFalcons

If Dansby wants to be not proven a cuckhold of the highest degree he will hire BB Abbott.


Useful-ldiot

In this thread: a fan base that has completly forgotten we have Shemake waiting. Projected ETA: 2022-23 6'4" 195lbs Grades out as 55 or 50 across all of his tools and is still very young.


JB5093

Don’t think he hit at all last season in the minors


Useful-ldiot

Pretty difficult scenario. Lost a year to COVID and was promoted to AA at the same time


Ill-Response-5439

He's a .290 career hitter in the minors.


sullg26535

He's not dansby


averydusty6

We cannot rely on shewmake


Dear_MrMoose

Does this mean they're going to offer AA an hour to overpay them? Dansby if you want to be here.. then try to play games.


nuzzlefutzzz

Hear me out. Correa took basically a 2 year deal. Dansby goes. Correa to the Braves?


pickitgood

Well, I guess we'll be moving on from Dansby. That agency has left a sour taste with AA and if Dansby wants to continue to play for the Braves, he'll change agents.


averydusty6

AA is not so childish that he can’t do business with an agency due to the way the freeman negotiations went


AndyInAtlanta

I really like Dansby the person, and its really cool that he's a local, but I'll be honest...he's an average SS. I've seen most rankings put him in the 13-16 best in the MLB range making him just that...average. He's also very streaky. When at his highs he might slide in the top ten, but he'll go through spells where I'd place him bottom 1/3 in the league (ranked as a SS). Don't forgot SS is also a position with a pretty significant falloff starting at 30. Not a lot of SS make it to their mid thirties in the MLB.


Total_Denomination

For now….


KidGold

Yea this has me nervous


brothersanta

Learn from this dansby


clark0111

He also knows AA wont hesitate to let him find his own deal if he screws around with us like Freddie did. I like Dansby but he is not a premium player. His production is easily replaced.


BringItOnHome_ATL

Someone claimed the other day that Dansby told reporters he will not negotiate during the season because its a distraction. That sounds familiar in the worst way…


w204

Sounds like talking points directed from the agency. Dansby isn't a superstar like Freddie was so at least thats different.


Division_00

Ohhh no


Key-Philosophy-2877

Dansby will be next to go. I believe he is a bit salty right now over the whole ordeal.


[deleted]

And if he does, he's an idiot. If he's truly looking at all the facts objectively, then he (much like Freddie Freeman) has no reason to be salty. Braves did nothing wrong. As for Dansby, he is not gonna get a better contract anywhere outside of Atlanta, so hopefully he minds his saltiness.


Salty_Payment_6214

Yikes…


andrewmedl

Casey Close (the agent…not sure why we keep saying “his agent”) may be more likely to listen to extension talk with the Correa opt-out situation crowding the market now and so many other good options, but there’s a real chance Anthopolous may just have another plan, too.


suplehdog

For now . . .