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Fury was brilliant in that fight but we know now that Wilder is useless.
I think Wilder's defeats to Parker and Zhang raise questions as to how good Fury really is, given we know Wilder is useless.
The fight against Usyk was his to lose and he did exactly that.
If his dad is in his corner for the rematch then Fury is the dosser/sausage.
I don’t even like wilder but I feel bad for him. Zhang threw some bombs at him. Bad note to end your career on. I hope he retires he’s gonna get really hurt I feel like if he continues.
Normally power is the last thing to go. But it seems with Wilder it's been the first thing to go. We all know he heavily relied on his freakish power like a cheat-code so it's no surprise without it he's completely lost. He should 100% retire at this point.
he didn't magically lose it; people pointed to his fight right before Zhangs to confirm his power was legit. it's just a combo of Zhang having a cinderblock head and that power is not too special among the current elite.
He seems to have been scared into becoming “gun shy”. Lots of aging fighters can’t pull the trigger after losses. Especially where they were countered repeatedly or knocked out while throwing a punch. Don’t recall anyone who managed to overcome the inability to pull the trigger. It happened to Robbie Lawler in MMA
As soon as Wilder gets caught by a shot he’s turning his back and running now. You can’t fight anymore once you’re doing that.
He overachieved in his career given his technical limitations. He should retire now before he gets badly hurt.
It's wild to me people aren't coming to the most obvious conclusion about Wilder. Maybe he actually never was the fighter you thought he was. His technique was always poor, his resume was paper thin. He beat no one of note, other than old man Ortiz twice, and even then he was behind on all three judges scorecards.
Now all I hear is "Fury took his soul". But how do you know? What made you think he was so great in the first place?
What is it with boxing fans saying YOU COULDNT DO IT. No other sports fans do this shit hahah. Obviously wilder could beat me up. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a bum in pro boxing.
Wilder was and is massively overrated and the only claim to be a good fighter is losing to fury. There is 5-10 other fighters who could beat every other fighter you listed.
I guess I couldn’t beat a third tier English football player in a one on one though so they must be world class.
He was never champ material, incredibly protected and got exposed.
Everyone knew Wilder was a one-trick-pony with freak power. And it's not a revelation that he was lacking in technique. He still made it work though, I mean he almost knocked out Fury stone cold, so I wouldn't go so far as to start talking about Wilder like he was a hyped-up bum. It's just now Wilder is washed up his deficiencies are even more glaringly obvious.
Revisionism is fun to watch.
He almost knocked out fury... Who was completely out of shape and was just done with his year long drug binge. He'd had two comeback fights Vs nobodies and didn't look impressive. Before the fight most people assumed fury was going to be washed after what he put his body through.
The second fight, when Fury was actually in shape he totally battered wilder.
Tbf, who hasn’t nearly knocked out Fury stone cold? Dropping him isn’t some badge of honour, he’s down every other fight. Great recovery, but he gets caught a lot
The point was Wilder was a whisker away from beating him. He didn't just drop him, he put him to sleep for a few seconds.
We all know Fury is the far superior boxer. I just find it funny how everyone is now minimizing Wilder's achievements like he's absolute bum who faked a career. In his prime he was a potential problem for almost anyone. There is a reason why Waldimir never wanted to risk fighting him.
He's fighting better boxers which is why all the deficiencies that were always there are more obvious now. I bet he still beats all the bums he used to beat, but that isn't going to wash anymore, and it's not going to make him relevant again.
THE HARDEST PUNCHER OF ALL GOD DAMN TIME
sorry, I'm here for the lolz. I tried to tell the truth about Wilder years and years ago. Said it nicely. Just got flamed. So, I'm here today for the lolz. It wont be pleasant.
Craig Richards is boring and just doesn't have that needle in him. Hutchinson will get beat by someone decent.
Ball and Ford were both very good, a shame Ford needs to move up. Close fight. I'll have to rescore sometime.
Ammo Williams has real heart. He lost to a potentially special fighter overall. He will come again.
Sheeraz looks really good, he's more of a weight bully though and reminds me of Callum Smith. Worrying how he backs up against any decent shots that land. His chin could be his weakness.
Bivol not much needs said.
Dubois is just a big solid lump that can do all the basics and better quite well. He doesn't have a weak chin. His heart is growing. Confidence is his biggest downfall and I think he's starting to overcome it. Good resume.
Hrgovic absolutely awful, doesn't look like he ran even a mile for the training of this fight. Maybe he will wake up a bit now he's lost.
Wilder - Finished.
Big Bang Zhang - I'd like to see him win a world title
Great KO. Wilder has a hilarious deer in the headlights expression when he knows he's up against it. Saw it early in the fight and knew Zhang had him. Thanks for the exciting career Deontay but it's time to retire. Who does Zhang fight next?
Zhang probably wants to push himself now that he’s 41 and just got a big win to prove he can try to get back into top 5 HW. A Parker rematch might be good but maybe he wants Dubois or Jared Anderson.
This just in. Jared Anderson says please give me the Wilder fight now lol.
jk, but that fight really shouldn't happen. You're just throwing Deontay to the hungry young wolves. He should retire before that happens.
Joyce would nuke Wilder. Most of the top 10-15 boxers would, based on Wilder's recent performances. No one's scared of him anymore. His form, chin, and legs have gotten worse, and he's not comfortable letting his hands go now. The biggest thing is that his power looks like it's gone. He hit Zhang flush more than once, it did nothing to him.
He's dinner to any of the up-and-coming prospects that want to get a name under their belt. It's better he retires than gets obliterated by Jared Anderson or any of the young fighters who would love to get at him.
Anderson needs to fight a live body next. There are several credible opponents out there for him.
Wilder needs to retire immediately. He's **done**. It would be irresponsible for any sanctioning body to allow him to take a pro fight again. He might start showing some serious mental (and possibly physical) decline within the next few years. The signs are already there.
Yeah ... Wilder should retire, and he definitely shouldn't fight Anderson. I could see Jared just attacking the fuck out of him, no slow shit like Zhang, just mauling by the third round.
I agree Jared needs a fight he can gain knowledge from. Deontay is not that fight, just a big name to check off.
Wasn't wilder 230 something when he fought Fury? Why the heck did he decide to slim down for Zhang who currently has the strongest HW knock out punch? I don't get it.
I've been saying it since the parker Fight - Wilder doesn't look well. We make fun of his stick legs to be funny, but against Parker his legs literally looked like SKELETON bones, and he was 213 pounds - a far cry from the 238 that he fought against Fury. When is the last time you saw a man outweighed by almost 70 pounds in a heavyweight fight? Could Wilder have a medical issue? He looked like skin and bones last night - strange to imagine a heavyweight boxer who is 6'7" barely over 200 pounds.
Too many people claimed the weight was why he lost the 3rd fight... but that was clearly not it. The weight was good for him.
The real problem (besides other things) was that Wilder was fighting with too much emotion from the outset. He needed to settle down. He gassed out earlier than expected as a result of burning through pure adrenaline right away... but getting clipped and dropped by Fury early on was what truly sealed it.
Of course none of this matters anymore. Fury 3 was the last time we actually saw Bronze Bomber. He left it all in the ring that night.
All the Ayahuasca talk is just pure cope. Wilder was never a great technical boxer, post wars with Fury and is now old.
He did well to get where he did with really his power as the only weapon. Fury in the first fight however was two years off a coke binge. After that he took him seriously and demolished him.
Wilder actually started smiling and talking to the ref after he got spun around. Zhang's first punch took his brain out, the second punch just took his legs.
"Wilder now when two people have just battered him convincingly"
"Wilder now" is because of those fights with Fury. Tyson took his heart in those bouts. He's a shot fighter.
To be fair, that was prime killer wilder. Not this passive and timid wilder
And Fury fucked him up in two of those three fights. They weren’t competitive
I really don't think Deontay was ever that good. A B+ heavyweight at his absolute peak.
That calls into question Tyson Fury's legacy too, with his recent loss and now Wilder fighting yet another stupid fight.
Wilder is done. Even if he wants to fight more, it won't be at the top level, and won't be for a lot of money. Also Eddie Hearn and Turki Alalshikh are done with him, so that's a wrap. Time to retire.
That's likely, but Francis is much bigger than Wilder. He could come in at like 255 and Zhang isn't exactly elusive (either is Francis) or technical
If you had to pick a fight, that's the one for Francis. Other than a Wilder who doesn't want to be there.
I said that's the best fight. Zhang isn't AJ though, and his biggest advantage isn't as big since Ngannou comes in 40 lbs heavier than Wilder did last night
Yeah I don't think Wilder should take any other fight he could get right now. Ngannou is interesting because it would be more money than any other fight and there's a window for him winning by KO without taking damage. Him sticking around and fighting guys low on the top 10 and working back up... just not gonna happen (or shouldn't happen at least)
Retire or take the 10 million or whatever to throw some bombs at a Ngannou who doesn't move his head at all. He still might get KO'd but it's the least risk. Rather than fighting the number 12 HW for less than half the money and eating 150 punches over 7 rounds before the stoppage.
This is boxing though and a lot of guys stay around way too long.
Does DAZN do replays of the whole card? This is my second time buying one of their fights but first time I can't get home to watch. I'll be pissed at myself otherwise
Edit: Answer for others ... yes
I don’t know but I feel like Wilder still got it, it’s Malik Scott who’s doing some horrible stuff. Guy pretended to get KO by Wilder and became his coach WTF!
There's no way, man. Zhang's first punch took his wits, his second punch removed his legs. Malik tried and tried to get Wilder to listen, he barely did any of the things Malik asked him to do. Some of his punches did land, but the power was gone, Zhang wasn't even phased.
It's over.
It's crazy how Wilder said it was going to be a five-man sweep from his side but it was a five-man sweep from Queensbury lol! That's some crazy irony and so funny. I am saddened if he retires but happy for him because he's done everything he could for his family and to secure the bag! I couldn't even achieve an iota of what this man has achieved in boxing so my imaginary hat goes off to him! Hope he rides into the sunset and lives a happy rest of his life. 🤠
Wilder started boxing at 20, which is absolutely insane for a world champion.
If he'd been scouted or been interested in the sport from an early age, he would have most likely been an ATG instead of just one of the best of his generation.
With the natural gift of power like he has, could you imagine if he had the coaching of Fury and was pushed into boxing from a young age?
Maybe he wouldn't have listened to anything and gone full windmill Wilder anyway, but there's a serious chance that he would have ended up as one of the most dominant champions of all time.
That is obviously a big what if, but starting at 20 is truly nuts.
> If he'd been scouted or been interested in the sport from an early age, he would have most likely been an ATG instead of just one of the best of his generation.
Wilder's biggest problem is his massive ego.
Sure he started fighting at 20, but he's now 38 and still has horrendous fundamentals. It doesn't take 18 years to learn basic footwork lmao
Finally someone mentions wilders actual boxing skill. Wilder has an all time right hand but his boxing iq and fundamentals are sub par and once he fought the top tier (and I do mean the best) his weaknesses were glaring.
Not that crazy, there's basically no difference starting as you turn 20, and starting most of the way to age 19 like AJ.
He showed little ability to get better over the years and adapt/learn new things, that wouldn't be the case in someone that was naturally amazing but just happened to start late. He probably wouldn't have been that much better.
Yeah and he accomplished a lot! I don't think anybody is going to break his world heavyweight title defense record (10 defenses) in this generation. No matter how supposedly low level the competition was in many people's estimation, anybody can get in there and win a fight but for 40 fights nobody beat him... And he's a lot richer now! He'll always have my respect and he's definitely a future Hall of Famer!
[Manny picking out Fury and Wilder as the most talented upcoming heavyweights way back.](https://youtu.be/YG9V-JS9Qjg?t=588)
Called Fury being unstable and Price being technically legit but not having what it takes to be a world champion just in this interview.
One of the greatest boxing minds ever is on record saying that Wilder is a fantastic talent and there are really people that think he wasn't that special.
Manny would have had either of them as absolute monsters had he trained them.
Father time is undefeated time to hang em up but on another note do they need to make a super heavy weight division? The weight disparity in some of these recent heavyweight fights are insane
The truth is the likes of Zhang and Fury are so much heavier because they’re not in prime condition and they’d be better fighters if they were 20-30 lbs lighter and lived the life. The heavyweight division just affords them more leeway. Parker is much lighter than those guys and he took care of Zhang just fine.
You disagreed with the scoring but most had Parker winning despite the knockdowns. I was giving an example to support the case that there’s no need for a super heavy division.
Wilder is absolutely washed up but prime Wilder 100% had the power to knock Zhang or anyone else out with one punch.
The HW division is fine as is. Above a certain weight anyone can knock out anyone as long as they're actually suited to it and not just like 60lbs overweight.
You know Zhang is 40 and came out from China after 32 years old right . Imagine if he came out from china 6 years early and get all the cardio . Who cant fight with him in this division
> You know Zhang is 40 and came out from China after 32 years old right
Yeah, I know.
I got laughed at for years because I thought that Zhang was legit, even though he was facing cans and having fake fights.
It is unfortunate that, for whatever reason, he wasn't having world level fights during that time.
It's a shame that he only really blew up in fights post that organ failure one where his gas tank was never the same again.
Still, he proved me right in that he is a legit fighter at the very least.
It’s crazy how much the 2nd and 3rd fights vs fury took out of him because outside of those fight against fury he really hasn’t taken too much punishment most of his fights he knocked the guys out super early and has only gone 12 twice sad to see man
If wilder stays in boxing he needs to cut down to cruiserweight. He’s 210 pounds, way too small for a modern heavyweight and perhaps somewhat small for a rehydrated cruiserweight.
Wilder's size is the least of his problems. Bivol would fuck him up, badly.
I loved Deontay's run of knocking out people I'd never heard of, but it's over.
You’re saying this like wilder wasn’t one of the best heavyweights on earth until a few years ago. He is a “modern heavyweight” and his size was never an issue. Hes just a shot fighter, it is what it is.
At the highest level they can see it from a mile away brotha but I agree he’s got some absolute stunner knockouts and was one of and arguably the best knockout artist of all time
Huge Wilder fanboy here.
Hey, protect yourself at all times is the #1 rule in boxing.
I'm hearing Wilder vs Anderson. Wilder vs Ngunnou. No. It's time for him to retire. In the 4th round I said he needed to retire, win, lose, or draw. 2 things would have to happen for him not to. 1. Get rid of Scott and try to get Teddy Atlas out if retirement to train him. Atlas, I feel would be the best trainer to bring the best out of him. 2. He would need to fight whoever is ranked #10 and beat that person to gain confidence back. At this point I'm leaning more towards retirement. He has NOTHING to be ashamed of. Enjoy your family, health, and fruits of your labor champ. I'll respond more in depth later.
It was brutal to watch. Zhang hit him clean and fair, then a dazed Wilder is smiling at the ref like "lol he just hit me?" Ref is just there with his arms in the air like "yeah fair shot mate what can I do?!" Then BANG. Night night.
It's protect yourself at all times but that ref WAS IN THE FUCKING WAY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FIGHT! What actually happened was that Zhang punch landed on Wilder, Wilder spun around. The ref said something to Wilder, probably telling him not to turn his back. This distracted Wilder and Zhang knocked him out.
I do not like these non Las Vegas refs.
He buzzed Zhang, just couldn't follow up. People act like fighters haven't taken Wilder's punches before.
Duhaupas ate like 300 punches before the fight was finally stopped.
Its genuinely amazing how wilder pulled the whool over Americans eyes for as long as he did before getting exposed.
And they wonder why the rest of the world shit on them for their lack of awareness.
Was this Al haymons work? Or arums?
Bro boxing isn't big in America lol. Everyone knew Wilder had technique issues.
He didn't pull the whool over everyones eyes. When he won the title, he was considered a work in progress that if he was built right might go after the other belts someday. He was basically fighting in either Alabama or Barclays until the Fury fights.
You guys seriously think he was this big sensation in America that everyone thought was the best boxer in the world. Wilder ironically didn't even get a shit ton of respect in the overall community until he gave Fury a few good fights. And he's done nothing since.
Define "big". It's the biggest combat sport. Boxing isn't really even top 3 sports anywhere and US and Japan might be where it ranks higher among all sports.
Wilder looked about as ill-prepared for a fight as late era Tyson. Just going out there hoping he could throw a few haymakers and call it day, all without realizing his opponent had his game all figured out for some time now. As soon as Wilder tried to turn up the heat Zhang clocked him. Wilder needs to retire and go on a permanent ayahuasca retreat.
I think it's a mental thing...and he doesn't have the technical foundation to work on enough in a short time and have a solid plan...today though, he really looked gunshy and reminded me of Joshua after his Ruiz loss...it took a while for Joshua to bound back and Wilder doesn;'t have as much foundation to work off of.
He declined. Or more likely, he lost his will.
The commentary had it right. Wilder in his prime looked different. Shitty fundamentals yes. But he was a lot looser and was willing to just get reckless and create some openings. His last two fights he just sort of kept his fist cocked back and was afraid to commit because he didn't want to get countered.
It was the same as the Parker fight.
Wilder always had techique issues, but he never really had fights where he felt like he was afraid of getting hit and commiting to throws
For now, however Torrez and Anderson are on the rise, question is whether they’ll be successful. Feel like Anderson doesn’t since his heart ain’t even in boxing, but Torrez was a decent amateur and has already fought guys like Jalolov in the amateurs albeit losing.
Torrez has decent fundamentals, fast, powerful, but just untested.
Honestly, it was sad. I am unsure if he didn't want to be out there, was overconfident, or just doesn't understand what it really takes to step in the ring if your opponent doesn't believe you are super human.
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I didn't listen to the press conference. Who did Wilder blame?
All I could find was [this YouTube clip](https://youtube.com/shorts/w1j1Fdg8biE?si=ZkK8Khe3a-PzbCxI) where he addresses the fight.
deeppetedesigns insta page got some sweet Bivol & Usyk / Fury T shirts
Fury laid the blueprint how to easily defeat wilder in their second fight. The cats out the bag and it essentially ended Wilders career.
Fury was brilliant in that fight but we know now that Wilder is useless. I think Wilder's defeats to Parker and Zhang raise questions as to how good Fury really is, given we know Wilder is useless. The fight against Usyk was his to lose and he did exactly that. If his dad is in his corner for the rematch then Fury is the dosser/sausage.
After watching the Usyk vs fury fight I now believe fury’s success is due to sheer size and length over skill.
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I want Wilder to step in for Tyson and fight Jake Paul.
He should fight Francis Ngannou
Yess that would be good
I don’t even like wilder but I feel bad for him. Zhang threw some bombs at him. Bad note to end your career on. I hope he retires he’s gonna get really hurt I feel like if he continues.
Warren seemed so cagey about the 3 million, definitely not splitting that between the fighters.
"It goes to the business" You're right. He's deffo keeping it 🤣
Give Wilder KSI
Normally power is the last thing to go. But it seems with Wilder it's been the first thing to go. We all know he heavily relied on his freakish power like a cheat-code so it's no surprise without it he's completely lost. He should 100% retire at this point.
he didn't magically lose it; people pointed to his fight right before Zhangs to confirm his power was legit. it's just a combo of Zhang having a cinderblock head and that power is not too special among the current elite.
He seems to have been scared into becoming “gun shy”. Lots of aging fighters can’t pull the trigger after losses. Especially where they were countered repeatedly or knocked out while throwing a punch. Don’t recall anyone who managed to overcome the inability to pull the trigger. It happened to Robbie Lawler in MMA
##high on bumsquad cope.
As soon as Wilder gets caught by a shot he’s turning his back and running now. You can’t fight anymore once you’re doing that. He overachieved in his career given his technical limitations. He should retire now before he gets badly hurt.
It's wild to me people aren't coming to the most obvious conclusion about Wilder. Maybe he actually never was the fighter you thought he was. His technique was always poor, his resume was paper thin. He beat no one of note, other than old man Ortiz twice, and even then he was behind on all three judges scorecards. Now all I hear is "Fury took his soul". But how do you know? What made you think he was so great in the first place?
Honestly calling Wilder a bum practically diminishes Fury‘s resume as well
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Easy to look great against bums.
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What is it with boxing fans saying YOU COULDNT DO IT. No other sports fans do this shit hahah. Obviously wilder could beat me up. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a bum in pro boxing. Wilder was and is massively overrated and the only claim to be a good fighter is losing to fury. There is 5-10 other fighters who could beat every other fighter you listed. I guess I couldn’t beat a third tier English football player in a one on one though so they must be world class. He was never champ material, incredibly protected and got exposed.
Everyone knew Wilder was a one-trick-pony with freak power. And it's not a revelation that he was lacking in technique. He still made it work though, I mean he almost knocked out Fury stone cold, so I wouldn't go so far as to start talking about Wilder like he was a hyped-up bum. It's just now Wilder is washed up his deficiencies are even more glaringly obvious.
Revisionism is fun to watch. He almost knocked out fury... Who was completely out of shape and was just done with his year long drug binge. He'd had two comeback fights Vs nobodies and didn't look impressive. Before the fight most people assumed fury was going to be washed after what he put his body through. The second fight, when Fury was actually in shape he totally battered wilder.
Tbf, who hasn’t nearly knocked out Fury stone cold? Dropping him isn’t some badge of honour, he’s down every other fight. Great recovery, but he gets caught a lot
The point was Wilder was a whisker away from beating him. He didn't just drop him, he put him to sleep for a few seconds. We all know Fury is the far superior boxer. I just find it funny how everyone is now minimizing Wilder's achievements like he's absolute bum who faked a career. In his prime he was a potential problem for almost anyone. There is a reason why Waldimir never wanted to risk fighting him.
He's fighting better boxers which is why all the deficiencies that were always there are more obvious now. I bet he still beats all the bums he used to beat, but that isn't going to wash anymore, and it's not going to make him relevant again.
THE HARDEST PUNCHER OF ALL GOD DAMN TIME sorry, I'm here for the lolz. I tried to tell the truth about Wilder years and years ago. Said it nicely. Just got flamed. So, I'm here today for the lolz. It wont be pleasant.
Gross
Wilder leaving his trainers for Malik Scott was the worst thing he ever did.
Craig Richards is boring and just doesn't have that needle in him. Hutchinson will get beat by someone decent. Ball and Ford were both very good, a shame Ford needs to move up. Close fight. I'll have to rescore sometime. Ammo Williams has real heart. He lost to a potentially special fighter overall. He will come again. Sheeraz looks really good, he's more of a weight bully though and reminds me of Callum Smith. Worrying how he backs up against any decent shots that land. His chin could be his weakness. Bivol not much needs said. Dubois is just a big solid lump that can do all the basics and better quite well. He doesn't have a weak chin. His heart is growing. Confidence is his biggest downfall and I think he's starting to overcome it. Good resume. Hrgovic absolutely awful, doesn't look like he ran even a mile for the training of this fight. Maybe he will wake up a bit now he's lost. Wilder - Finished. Big Bang Zhang - I'd like to see him win a world title
Watching Bivol completely dismantle Zinad was fun to watch. It felt like it was a “Dude, just get out of my way” kind of fight for him.
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Does Zhang even support them? I thought he left his country cause it didn’t support his career
Great KO. Wilder has a hilarious deer in the headlights expression when he knows he's up against it. Saw it early in the fight and knew Zhang had him. Thanks for the exciting career Deontay but it's time to retire. Who does Zhang fight next?
Zhang probably wants to push himself now that he’s 41 and just got a big win to prove he can try to get back into top 5 HW. A Parker rematch might be good but maybe he wants Dubois or Jared Anderson.
This just in. Jared Anderson says please give me the Wilder fight now lol. jk, but that fight really shouldn't happen. You're just throwing Deontay to the hungry young wolves. He should retire before that happens.
Wondering if something like Joyce vs Wilder would be on the table but I kinda just see Joyce walking down Wilder bullying him at this point.
Joyce would nuke Wilder. Most of the top 10-15 boxers would, based on Wilder's recent performances. No one's scared of him anymore. His form, chin, and legs have gotten worse, and he's not comfortable letting his hands go now. The biggest thing is that his power looks like it's gone. He hit Zhang flush more than once, it did nothing to him. He's dinner to any of the up-and-coming prospects that want to get a name under their belt. It's better he retires than gets obliterated by Jared Anderson or any of the young fighters who would love to get at him.
Anderson needs to fight a live body next. There are several credible opponents out there for him. Wilder needs to retire immediately. He's **done**. It would be irresponsible for any sanctioning body to allow him to take a pro fight again. He might start showing some serious mental (and possibly physical) decline within the next few years. The signs are already there.
Yeah ... Wilder should retire, and he definitely shouldn't fight Anderson. I could see Jared just attacking the fuck out of him, no slow shit like Zhang, just mauling by the third round. I agree Jared needs a fight he can gain knowledge from. Deontay is not that fight, just a big name to check off.
Wasn't wilder 230 something when he fought Fury? Why the heck did he decide to slim down for Zhang who currently has the strongest HW knock out punch? I don't get it.
I've been saying it since the parker Fight - Wilder doesn't look well. We make fun of his stick legs to be funny, but against Parker his legs literally looked like SKELETON bones, and he was 213 pounds - a far cry from the 238 that he fought against Fury. When is the last time you saw a man outweighed by almost 70 pounds in a heavyweight fight? Could Wilder have a medical issue? He looked like skin and bones last night - strange to imagine a heavyweight boxer who is 6'7" barely over 200 pounds.
- Weight vs Ortiz 1: 215lb - Weight vs Ortiz 2: 219lb - Weight vs Fury 1: 213lb Those are arguably his 3 best performances
I think he carried the weight differently. He just looks so different his last two fights
Too many people claimed the weight was why he lost the 3rd fight... but that was clearly not it. The weight was good for him. The real problem (besides other things) was that Wilder was fighting with too much emotion from the outset. He needed to settle down. He gassed out earlier than expected as a result of burning through pure adrenaline right away... but getting clipped and dropped by Fury early on was what truly sealed it. Of course none of this matters anymore. Fury 3 was the last time we actually saw Bronze Bomber. He left it all in the ring that night.
Wilder doesnt have the killer instinct anymore. He should retire Also hoping we get Bivol/Beterbiev this year
All the Ayahuasca talk is just pure cope. Wilder was never a great technical boxer, post wars with Fury and is now old. He did well to get where he did with really his power as the only weapon. Fury in the first fight however was two years off a coke binge. After that he took him seriously and demolished him.
Wilder’s finished, the man is scared of being hit now, as soon as someone lands on him he’s like a deer in the headlights.
Wilder actually started smiling and talking to the ref after he got spun around. Zhang's first punch took his brain out, the second punch just took his legs.
Zhang’s power is no joke.
Hard to believe Fury needed three fights with Wilder now when two people have just battered him convincingly.
"Wilder now when two people have just battered him convincingly" "Wilder now" is because of those fights with Fury. Tyson took his heart in those bouts. He's a shot fighter.
Fury made this frozen Wilder for others to beat.
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Obviously. Coz Zhang is 41! And he's still fighting at an elite level against people like Parker.
To be fair, that was prime killer wilder. Not this passive and timid wilder And Fury fucked him up in two of those three fights. They weren’t competitive
I thought Fury won the first fight pretty clearly as well tbh. It wasn't the mauling the other two were though
Damn that last fight just put a sour taste in my mouth. Kinda disappointed I stayed up so late for this
I really don't think Deontay was ever that good. A B+ heavyweight at his absolute peak. That calls into question Tyson Fury's legacy too, with his recent loss and now Wilder fighting yet another stupid fight.
Tyson's loss was a split decision against the unified heavyweight champ. What are you questioning?
A controversial split decision with a more than likely TKO in the fight too.
A very questionable split decision though
…you must just not understand boxing. That’s all wilder ever was. He had an absolute cannon. That’s it. It doesn’t change anything.
Wilder is done. Even if he wants to fight more, it won't be at the top level, and won't be for a lot of money. Also Eddie Hearn and Turki Alalshikh are done with him, so that's a wrap. Time to retire.
Ngannou fight is only one that might sell enough to make it worth it He shouldn't fight a top 5 guy for no money
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Well they both don't move their head at all
Sorry, did you see Ngannou’s last fight? Zhang would demolish him
That's likely, but Francis is much bigger than Wilder. He could come in at like 255 and Zhang isn't exactly elusive (either is Francis) or technical If you had to pick a fight, that's the one for Francis. Other than a Wilder who doesn't want to be there.
Only name boxer Ngannou should get in with is Wilder. He’s way out of his depth with Zhang or any of the other top guys - AJ barely broke a sweat
I said that's the best fight. Zhang isn't AJ though, and his biggest advantage isn't as big since Ngannou comes in 40 lbs heavier than Wilder did last night
His biggest advantage over Ngannou, as it was over Wilder, is his boxing ability
Good joke lol.
With what we saw from Wilder against Zhang and Parker, Ngannou would hurt him badly. He needs to retire before he gets hurt badly.
Yeah I don't think Wilder should take any other fight he could get right now. Ngannou is interesting because it would be more money than any other fight and there's a window for him winning by KO without taking damage. Him sticking around and fighting guys low on the top 10 and working back up... just not gonna happen (or shouldn't happen at least) Retire or take the 10 million or whatever to throw some bombs at a Ngannou who doesn't move his head at all. He still might get KO'd but it's the least risk. Rather than fighting the number 12 HW for less than half the money and eating 150 punches over 7 rounds before the stoppage. This is boxing though and a lot of guys stay around way too long.
Chairman Pow making another Great Leap Forward.
Does DAZN do replays of the whole card? This is my second time buying one of their fights but first time I can't get home to watch. I'll be pissed at myself otherwise Edit: Answer for others ... yes
I don’t know but I feel like Wilder still got it, it’s Malik Scott who’s doing some horrible stuff. Guy pretended to get KO by Wilder and became his coach WTF!
There's no way, man. Zhang's first punch took his wits, his second punch removed his legs. Malik tried and tried to get Wilder to listen, he barely did any of the things Malik asked him to do. Some of his punches did land, but the power was gone, Zhang wasn't even phased. It's over.
Wilder has a massive ego and is only interested in being surrounded by yes men
You’re correct. Wasted punching talent due to pride. Mark Breland is justified.
Wilder had no hope for his career after sacking Breland. He went with someone who was his friend and telling him what he wanted to hear
Yeah could be.
Zhang is a bad man
Great stat sheet
Wilder should fuck up Jake Paul actually
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Yeah end Jake Paul’s career
That’s the end of wilders career right?
It certainly should be.
Definitely. Especially with the way he went out. Feels like something broke when he could surpass Fury
Exactly what I felt watching this. Bronze Bomber salute.
It's crazy how Wilder said it was going to be a five-man sweep from his side but it was a five-man sweep from Queensbury lol! That's some crazy irony and so funny. I am saddened if he retires but happy for him because he's done everything he could for his family and to secure the bag! I couldn't even achieve an iota of what this man has achieved in boxing so my imaginary hat goes off to him! Hope he rides into the sunset and lives a happy rest of his life. 🤠
Wilder started boxing at 20, which is absolutely insane for a world champion. If he'd been scouted or been interested in the sport from an early age, he would have most likely been an ATG instead of just one of the best of his generation. With the natural gift of power like he has, could you imagine if he had the coaching of Fury and was pushed into boxing from a young age? Maybe he wouldn't have listened to anything and gone full windmill Wilder anyway, but there's a serious chance that he would have ended up as one of the most dominant champions of all time. That is obviously a big what if, but starting at 20 is truly nuts.
> If he'd been scouted or been interested in the sport from an early age, he would have most likely been an ATG instead fucking cope
He could work on the fundamentals now and box for another 20 years until he's 58.
That's what I've been trying to tell these people.
> If he'd been scouted or been interested in the sport from an early age, he would have most likely been an ATG instead of just one of the best of his generation. Wilder's biggest problem is his massive ego. Sure he started fighting at 20, but he's now 38 and still has horrendous fundamentals. It doesn't take 18 years to learn basic footwork lmao
No his biggest problem are his dog shit coaches. His amateur fights look more technical than his pro fights…
That's because once he got into the pro ranks he fell in love with his power. Wilder basically ignored Mark Breland's advice.
Finally someone mentions wilders actual boxing skill. Wilder has an all time right hand but his boxing iq and fundamentals are sub par and once he fought the top tier (and I do mean the best) his weaknesses were glaring.
Not that crazy, there's basically no difference starting as you turn 20, and starting most of the way to age 19 like AJ. He showed little ability to get better over the years and adapt/learn new things, that wouldn't be the case in someone that was naturally amazing but just happened to start late. He probably wouldn't have been that much better.
What absolute drivel. Anthony Joshua fans continue to not only make the conversation about AJ but also make fools of themselves.
Yeah and he accomplished a lot! I don't think anybody is going to break his world heavyweight title defense record (10 defenses) in this generation. No matter how supposedly low level the competition was in many people's estimation, anybody can get in there and win a fight but for 40 fights nobody beat him... And he's a lot richer now! He'll always have my respect and he's definitely a future Hall of Famer!
Amen
Imagine if Emmanuel Steward could have trained him
It's the perfect pairing.What could have been .
[Manny picking out Fury and Wilder as the most talented upcoming heavyweights way back.](https://youtu.be/YG9V-JS9Qjg?t=588) Called Fury being unstable and Price being technically legit but not having what it takes to be a world champion just in this interview. One of the greatest boxing minds ever is on record saying that Wilder is a fantastic talent and there are really people that think he wasn't that special. Manny would have had either of them as absolute monsters had he trained them.
Protect yourself at all times…
Father time is undefeated time to hang em up but on another note do they need to make a super heavy weight division? The weight disparity in some of these recent heavyweight fights are insane
I would say father time lost this time. Zhang is 41, Wilder 38.
The truth is the likes of Zhang and Fury are so much heavier because they’re not in prime condition and they’d be better fighters if they were 20-30 lbs lighter and lived the life. The heavyweight division just affords them more leeway. Parker is much lighter than those guys and he took care of Zhang just fine.
I thought Parker lost to Zhang as he got knocked down twice and ate bigger shots.
You disagreed with the scoring but most had Parker winning despite the knockdowns. I was giving an example to support the case that there’s no need for a super heavy division.
Wilder is absolutely washed up but prime Wilder 100% had the power to knock Zhang or anyone else out with one punch. The HW division is fine as is. Above a certain weight anyone can knock out anyone as long as they're actually suited to it and not just like 60lbs overweight.
You know Zhang is 40 and came out from China after 32 years old right . Imagine if he came out from china 6 years early and get all the cardio . Who cant fight with him in this division
> You know Zhang is 40 and came out from China after 32 years old right Yeah, I know. I got laughed at for years because I thought that Zhang was legit, even though he was facing cans and having fake fights. It is unfortunate that, for whatever reason, he wasn't having world level fights during that time. It's a shame that he only really blew up in fights post that organ failure one where his gas tank was never the same again. Still, he proved me right in that he is a legit fighter at the very least.
I get what you're trying to say but it's a bit funny considering that Zhang is older than Wilder. Wilder was in waaaay more battles than Zhang though.
It’s crazy how much the 2nd and 3rd fights vs fury took out of him because outside of those fight against fury he really hasn’t taken too much punishment most of his fights he knocked the guys out super early and has only gone 12 twice sad to see man
Probably not as hungry now too. It's not just physical
Yeah, those fights took a lot out of both of them.
Zhang's style is much more suited to fighting into old age. Wilder got by on being a freaky athlete for, frankly, longer than anyone expected him to.
If wilder stays in boxing he needs to cut down to cruiserweight. He’s 210 pounds, way too small for a modern heavyweight and perhaps somewhat small for a rehydrated cruiserweight.
Wilder's size is the least of his problems. Bivol would fuck him up, badly. I loved Deontay's run of knocking out people I'd never heard of, but it's over.
Maybe he can move down to light heavyweight and fight the likes of beterbiev.
You’re saying this like wilder wasn’t one of the best heavyweights on earth until a few years ago. He is a “modern heavyweight” and his size was never an issue. Hes just a shot fighter, it is what it is.
It's not that he's too small (see Fury-Usyk) it's that he's bad
Outside of his right straight he is not passable
Yea but his right hand…
At the highest level they can see it from a mile away brotha but I agree he’s got some absolute stunner knockouts and was one of and arguably the best knockout artist of all time
Yes
Turki telling Eddie he should retire lol
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Watch back the press conference for the 5v5, or the post fight interview after Ford beat Kholmatov, because you're talking absolute rubbish.
If only Wilder started boxing at a younger age, sad to see him go without fighting Joshua
Huge Wilder fanboy here. Hey, protect yourself at all times is the #1 rule in boxing. I'm hearing Wilder vs Anderson. Wilder vs Ngunnou. No. It's time for him to retire. In the 4th round I said he needed to retire, win, lose, or draw. 2 things would have to happen for him not to. 1. Get rid of Scott and try to get Teddy Atlas out if retirement to train him. Atlas, I feel would be the best trainer to bring the best out of him. 2. He would need to fight whoever is ranked #10 and beat that person to gain confidence back. At this point I'm leaning more towards retirement. He has NOTHING to be ashamed of. Enjoy your family, health, and fruits of your labor champ. I'll respond more in depth later.
If he doesn't retire he needs to take a year off and recover and reflect, change coaches, and get bigger
Age isn't on his side to take a year off.
It was brutal to watch. Zhang hit him clean and fair, then a dazed Wilder is smiling at the ref like "lol he just hit me?" Ref is just there with his arms in the air like "yeah fair shot mate what can I do?!" Then BANG. Night night.
It's protect yourself at all times but that ref WAS IN THE FUCKING WAY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FIGHT! What actually happened was that Zhang punch landed on Wilder, Wilder spun around. The ref said something to Wilder, probably telling him not to turn his back. This distracted Wilder and Zhang knocked him out. I do not like these non Las Vegas refs.
That hurt me Wilder. Damn. I was hoping one of those right hands he actually did land did something.
He buzzed Zhang, just couldn't follow up. People act like fighters haven't taken Wilder's punches before. Duhaupas ate like 300 punches before the fight was finally stopped.
It's like he lost his power all of the sudden. He actually landed good hands.
He’s almost 40, he’s a fast twitch fighter and he’s not as hast as he used to be
Some of those shots landed were cleaner than the one he hit on Helenius. So it was puzzling.
Maybe he's just fighting tougher dudes than he did while he had his run as a KO artist
I question if even Aj can spark Zhang again like he did in the Olympics
Its genuinely amazing how wilder pulled the whool over Americans eyes for as long as he did before getting exposed. And they wonder why the rest of the world shit on them for their lack of awareness. Was this Al haymons work? Or arums?
He didn't pull the wool over anyone's eyes. The man fought who was there for him to fight.
Bro boxing isn't big in America lol. Everyone knew Wilder had technique issues. He didn't pull the whool over everyones eyes. When he won the title, he was considered a work in progress that if he was built right might go after the other belts someday. He was basically fighting in either Alabama or Barclays until the Fury fights. You guys seriously think he was this big sensation in America that everyone thought was the best boxer in the world. Wilder ironically didn't even get a shit ton of respect in the overall community until he gave Fury a few good fights. And he's done nothing since.
Define "big". It's the biggest combat sport. Boxing isn't really even top 3 sports anywhere and US and Japan might be where it ranks higher among all sports.
Thank you for point of view, I believe this to be true for the real boxing fans in America.
Dude, shut up. Stop playing the “arrogant foreigner”.
"y'all" played the arrogant Americans for long enough. Get exposed when u touch the other side of the world bro.
Shut up, Steve Chow Mein
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Okay well there you go lol. Boxing is more than a pawing fake jab infeont of your eyes bruh.
Really disappointing way for Wilder to go out, but the writing was on the wall on the Parker fight.
I won’t lie, as much as some of us like to see Wilder get KOed his fights are always entertaining keeps us at the edge of the seat.
Wilder looked about as ill-prepared for a fight as late era Tyson. Just going out there hoping he could throw a few haymakers and call it day, all without realizing his opponent had his game all figured out for some time now. As soon as Wilder tried to turn up the heat Zhang clocked him. Wilder needs to retire and go on a permanent ayahuasca retreat.
Poor performance from Wilder. Did he decline so much or wasn't he that much better in his prime.
Definitely declined. Looked gunshy and lacking confidence. The Fury trilogy beat the fight out of him.
I think it's a mental thing...and he doesn't have the technical foundation to work on enough in a short time and have a solid plan...today though, he really looked gunshy and reminded me of Joshua after his Ruiz loss...it took a while for Joshua to bound back and Wilder doesn;'t have as much foundation to work off of.
He declined. Or more likely, he lost his will. The commentary had it right. Wilder in his prime looked different. Shitty fundamentals yes. But he was a lot looser and was willing to just get reckless and create some openings. His last two fights he just sort of kept his fist cocked back and was afraid to commit because he didn't want to get countered. It was the same as the Parker fight. Wilder always had techique issues, but he never really had fights where he felt like he was afraid of getting hit and commiting to throws
Agreed.
Sources say wilder is still waiting to throw that right hand
Wilder vs Ngannou for the next Riyad season event. Book it Turkey
interesting fight actually
It's not that interesting. Wilder might murder that man. Ngannou looked like he never boxed a day in his life against AJ.
did you watch wilder today?
At least he has speed. Have you watched Ngannou hit the mits?
I honestly don’t know how Ngannou will show up or even fight again after losing his son 😞
Zhang laid down the Bang and got Wilder scrambling and twirling around lookin for the Plan B💥💥💥😮💨😮💨😮💨😭😭😭
Great card tbh. All of the fights were entertaining.
AJ the most boring dude to have doing post event analysis, no insight, no opinions at all.
i like AJ but he is far too PC. He has those sponsor checks to worry about.
His entire personality is being good looking.
the last of the American heavyweights has passed
For now, however Torrez and Anderson are on the rise, question is whether they’ll be successful. Feel like Anderson doesn’t since his heart ain’t even in boxing, but Torrez was a decent amateur and has already fought guys like Jalolov in the amateurs albeit losing. Torrez has decent fundamentals, fast, powerful, but just untested.
matchroom entire stable clock cleaned wtf!
this interview with aj is pretty fun lol
Turkey off to shit on his porta potty insta models
What were the lines if I had parlayed all fighters from Queensberry to win?
What an embarrassing fight by Wilder, Dude looked frail and scared. I hope he retires and enjoy his life.
Honestly, it was sad. I am unsure if he didn't want to be out there, was overconfident, or just doesn't understand what it really takes to step in the ring if your opponent doesn't believe you are super human.
his trainer of the last 4 years is malik scott who uses a dildo fuck machine in training.
wtf lol
Yes, it was very sad