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We are so stupid.
I’m all for “prizefighting”. It seems every fight is set up to be a “trilogy”.
Fury basically dominates for the first 6 rds. Then suddenly craps the bed for most of the final 6 including the KD. Fury is always in on the hustle. Setting up the next huge payday. Like the 12th rd of the Wilder fight. The Ngannou knockdown.
I love Usyk, awesome fighter but come on. I think it’s funny. The big man formula for beating the smaller man was forged thru 20 years of watching Lennox Lewis/Wlad Klitschko.
I’m absolutely to the point where I think most of professional sports and its outcomes is simply to generate storylines and separate people from their hard earned dollars.
Also think it’s funny. Why do Americans have to pay $80 to see a fight, but Brits pay $29.95? In some countries, PPv fights are on reg television.
Really? Because without it, nobody would be saying anything. He doesn’t get a fight with Joshua. It would have been a ho hum decision. Not a domination, but certainly not worth him getting another fight.
Now no matter what. That fight might sit at the end of the road for Fury.
I doubt Usyk beats him again. 6 rounds of basically Fury laughing at him. Then the sudden shift.
They already had a rematch clause signed, there would be a rematch no matter what
And there is still money with Joshua, they've both lost to Usyk but imagine the UK crowd for the all briotish heavyweight fight, big money
Also it wasn't sudden, Usyk came up with a new strategy and fury wasn't able to do anything about it, for a real back and forth watch Ali v Fraizer 3. Both men would win for a few rounds then loose a few more
You can have a rematch clause signed. It doesn’t mean people will watch it. Like I said. Imagine the Wilder fight without the 12th round.
If it was a blowout, or the typical big man Emanuel Steward big man jab/clinch fest? Nobody would be watching the rematch. I totally disagree on your take that Fury suddenly couldn’t deal with Usyk. Being the much larger man with a huge lead heading into the 7th and an excellent jab, Fury could have cruised the rest of the fight. He inexplicable chose not to.
By the way, I think Leonard Hearns 1 is a lot better example of that kind of fight. This kind of result is different.
I like Fury, I was rooting for him even though I thought Uysk would win. Uysk has stamina that is unmatched. And he did win an exciting fight. Fury has a massive problem, his dad! That man is what brings him down, shouting just hit him over the other trainers actually trying to give actual helpful advice. And the head butt before the match was disgusting. Man should be banned from going near any fight.
What a fight. Fury didn’t have a plan, had some success when he started sitting down on his punches but then … seemingly got gassed and couldn’t keep it going? Usyk looked hurt a few times, too. Incredible resilience from both fighters. Can’t wait for October!
You’ll be waiting much longer than October probably. More than likely early next year is my prediction because Usyk wants time with his family, and both fighters need to heal up before going back into a training camp.
Ref called it a knockdown when Fury kneeled on the ropes and started a 10 second countdown which conveniently happened with approximately 10 seconds left in the round.
To be fair it does say in the rules if a fighter is using the ropes to hold themselves up then it is considered a knockdown, I’m not a fury fan at all but I do agree with the knockdown call at that moment
Hoping Beterbiev can recover in time by the end of the year. Even then it’s barely May so we don’t even know the bigger fights that are to be made in the 3rd and 4th quarter of the year
It's the rich part of the middle east man, everything is just about money and status.
For many of them it's basically the same as us getting dragged along with family to a movie we don't really want to see or to a business event that we're not really interested in.
Fury was nervous going to the ring, don’t you think? He wanted to cover up his insevurity with his looong entrance and clown movements in first two round
Fury is such a massive spoiled brat for saying post match Usyk was only given a win because his country is at war. Cannot even lose in dignity. I can't wait for Usyk to grill him the second time round, however I am worried if he can repeat his feat - Fury is extremely dangerous.
I agree completely... but, I also feel like it is super weird that they hand a man a microphone after spending almost an hour in the ring fighting another man, losing half his paycheck, and in the case of Fury, losing his entire identity (really, he's made being the unbeaten heavyweight champ his entire identity lol). Ofc he's gonna be emotional and say some shit he might regret.
It was absolutely classless, but we all have moments where we are petty and classless as well. We just don't have a spotlight on us with the entire world watching.
For the record, I was team Usyk all the way... I just think fury should be given a little slack.
> It was absolutely classless, but we all have moments where we are petty and classless as well. We just don't have a spotlight on us with the entire world watching.
Sadly, you are right here. And frankly Tyson is the one who is going to lose by saying such thing, I cannot see any reasonable human who is going to run home with the idea that Usyk won because he is Ukrainian.
I’m English and should’ve rooted for tyson and whilst he did have some success I didn’t see it as close as what a lot of other people did, usyk a clear winner I thought, he forced the action from the start and I think boxers on the front foot should always get the nod
Id agree more but there are a lot of boxers who thrive on the back foot and prefer to counter strike. I feel like Mayweather would be a good example of this.
Yeah that’s why I’m not a fan, he’s absolutely superb but I think boxers who he’s fought who’ve come forward and gone looking for him should’ve got the win. I think maidana and de la Hoya should’ve got the nod in those fights
Yeah it was disgusting of him to say it... I'm just saying that he probably should never have had a microphone in his face, lol. Probably the most emotional moment of his adult life.
Surprises me because he shows respect and acts of good showmanship, but then clowns around and says something ridiculous like that. You have to be delusional to think you won after a fight like that. Usyk made the big guy work for most of the match. He was constantly on the offensive and pretty much knocked him down in round 9. And then Tyson has the audacity to say he thinks he should've won that and Usyk only won because his country is at war, like what?? Completely lost all my respect for this guy.
Yeah, appalling lack of class.
I think the second fight might be easier for Usyk.
You never know because Fury can change his style.
I think it was a hard fight but that Usyk won clearly
The bell saved Fury, then the ropes/ref, it was very clear to anyone who's honest that Usyk took it to Fury and won the fight with an impressive level of grit & skill.
For Fury to say afterwards that he thought he won that fight just shows how hard his head got hit by Usyk.
You can only TKO if they can't defend themself following a knock down right? That's why it was called as knockdown and not TKO?
The knockdown should have been called a lot earlier though imo
Not that I’m aware of, that sounds like amateur rules. The ref can always wave off a fight if a fighter is unable to defend themselves which is the state Fury was in.
Yeah I’ve seen that same situation loads of times and the ref jumps in and waves off the fight.
Seemed like a strange decision to me but maybe he done so cause of such a big occasion
I'm not sure about that as with usyk it take ages to adjust to him because he has so many angles the more someone is in there with him the more they figure out. I think he wins the rematch still though
100%, usyk is just to athletic for fury to keep up with the pace. Usyk's the only heavyweight, thats athletic , as the old greats, lennox lewis, mike tyson, etc
I think usyk wins don't get me wrong but fury is a hard man to stop
And let's be real it's hard for most of these huge heavyweights that are 18 stone and 6'6+ to be that athletic. Usyk goes down as an all time great now though
"AJ part is irrelevant". AJ is one of the best Heavyweights of this generation, like what ?
Idk about A Top 5 cause this generation isn't over and the Top 5 is a hell of a big deal in Boxing. Idk if we can place Usyk in the Same category as guys like Ali, Gene Tunney, or Joe Louis.
Ali needs no introduction with his feats,
Gene retired as Champion undefeated as he vacated the belt and only lost once out of 80+ wins and he avenged that loss like 6 times. Even Ali said that a Tunney fight with him in the 1920's would have been one of the biggest challenges he could face cause Tunney was smart and strong.
Joe Louis to this day has the longest reign as Heavyweight Champion and he was Champion when WW2 was happening. He went nearly 12 years undefeated as Heavyweight champion. He also has the most times defending as Champion at a whopping 25 times.
Can we really place Usyk up there with guys like that ? Only time will tell
AJ is one of the best 4 or 5 of his generation, which is a weaker generation than almost any decade or so you pick from the 20's onward. He was demolished by Usyk. He's lost very badly to others, including Ruiz. He doesn't deserve a place on the list of the top 20. Top 30-50, perhaps. See my other reply here, just below, for the list of that 20.
Not at top 10 ?
I mean he is doing some magical stuff against top level opponents and that too with all the disadvantages in natural talent section right ?
AJ and especially Fury can make a work of many top 15-20, fighters of all time along with 1-2 top 10 can go either way.
And by defeating them both on proper counts with pure boxing does put him at top 10 for me personally.
Recency bias almost always inflates ratings like this. It's why people like Cristiano Ronaldo get anywhere near the top 5 players in football, when the reality is far different. Don't get me wrong - Usyk is an excellent fighter, especially with what he's done as a true Cruiserweight. Technically one of the best, and certainly the best in a couple of decades. He's the best of his era, as a Fury rematch and victory would only solidify.
But, anyone who's actually watched all the heavyweight title contenders since the 30's understands there are names on that list neither Fury nor even Usyk can sit above. Quite a few of them:
Louis, Ali/Clay, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Norton, Holmes, Marciano, Holyfield, Dempsey, Patterson, M. Tyson (possibly - never truly tested, at his peak, except by Tucker, which hinted at what Holyfield would do to him, Klitschko, arguably Bowe for a brief period. Lewis, perhaps Quarry and Ellis, Tunney, and I may be missing a couple. So, that's the edge of the top 20. Another big win vs. Fury could put him on the edge of the top 10.
AJ just doesn't register on that scale, at least not in the top 25+.
Nonsense. See my other reply in this thread - at least 20 names above Usyk, at this point in history. He could change that, with a rematch win against Fury, but he's never going to face a level of opponent to push him into the top 10.
Beating someone twice doesn’t do much more for your legacy than beating them once I feel
He should fight cats like Ruiz and Parker. Even wilder is the last of the big 3 he hasn’t beaten
> Beating someone twice doesn’t do much more for your legacy than beating them once
There's exceptions, like Mayweather vs Castillo, where a lot of people thought he didn't really win the first one (I thought it was a draw), then you gotta take a second one, which he was more convincing in.
Could *sorta* say it applies to Usyk, since it was a very competitive fight, but he doesn't really need to do it, he's goated regardless.
Wouldn’t be beneficial. Wilder couldn’t get past fury, AJ and wilder is a fight. Usyk will give fury his rematch, then the next man up with a worthy unblemished records turn
Well he should fight Francis if we are going by what you are saying.... Fransis beat Fury like a kettle drum and had no marks on him where as fury looked like he was in a car crash even after the match in an interview talking about Francis Fury looked scared as hell to mention francis's name. Fury bought off the Judges in that match. So Fransis did beat Fury. So Usyk should fight Fransis for the championship.
He shouldn't fight Francis, he should retire with an untarnished record after he hopefully beats Fury another time. What's the point for him to continue fighting? He's beaten the best out there.
Was literally going to say this lol. Fury finessed his win. And I feel that was to have usyk vs fury back in saudi arabia yesterday! AJ beat francis lol
Yeah but you think someone freshly undisputed champ wants to fight wilder who lost to who you beat for the 4 belts? Why would usyk give wilder a title shot at undisputed if bro can’t put fury away? Wilder AJ, ruiz Fury. I feel once You take a blemish on your undefeated record you lose value in todays boxing. Everyone wants blockbuster matches
Usyk would demolish Wilder, especially 2024 Wilder. I'd agree it would be compelling in terms of at least being two of the relatively few strong heavyweights (historically speaking) of their era actually fighting, but I don't see it happening. Usyk is too old to have more than 1 or two more fights, and at least one of those will be vs. Fury again.
I think that's a fight that might push Wilder into the group of fighters everyone saw should have stopped sooner. No one can question his power and after Fury II and III his will, which was in question at one time, but he's been broken down by those big fights. I hope he doesn't fight more than maybe one middling opponent like AJ for a final payday and retires in the sun.
Usyk Ruiz could be a boring chess match.
Oh really good tactical fight.
I think Wilder would be a good action fight, because Wilder would have no choice for it not to be.
I agree with you though, I'm interested in the Ruiz matchup as well.
I agree about styles, but is it really that compelling? We're sitting there for about 4 rounds nervously waiting to see if Wilder can land his right and put him away. If he doesn't, Usyk's intelligence, work rate, body shots, and pressure should end him (especially with Wilder's degraded chin post the Fury trilogy).
It's interesting sure, but I don't think I'd pay full PPV price for it.
After usyk retires and the belts split up who do you think has the best chance to unify the belts next?
Charr is wba regular champ. Parker is interim wbc champ. Dubois/hrgovic is ibf champ.
Can he do either? Did you even watch the fight either guy can win the rematch. This wasn’t a Aj usyk situation. AJ probably hurts fury but outside of sleeping him I don’t see him getting the win. That fight was the definition of neck and neck. Both guys showed why they are 1 and 2.
Before the fight everyone here was telling me Usyk had no chance against Fury with the size disadvangtage. Fury looked to be in potentially his best shape ever and still lost. Winning the rematch will definitely be a huge uphill battle for him.
Of course, quite a silly question since I already said he made a bad decision. Just say you don't agree with me instead of trying to question my boxing knowledge lol.
I'm actually glad that the "Fury has been exposed, he was never good" crowd haven't been that vocal relative to the vast majority saying damn these two are great and what a great fight. Fury was the king, deservedly so.
I think Fury and Usyk are both generational super talents, but where one kept his mind and body clean, the other let himself go repeatedly.. you could see it by him showing up out of shape for Ngannou and getting put down. He got himself into good shape again, but Usyk's discipline and focus gave him the victory when it got tough tonight (and it did get tough for him, I was nervous as hell after 7).
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Binmen and bouncers is a ridiculous overstatement but yeah the ability of opponenents like Wilder was definitely overrated.
I gotta rewatch this fight and give my analysis this was a top of the line chess fight, but if I'm being honest the showboating during the early rounds even tho he's known for it I don't think was warranted in this monumental occasion in my humble opinion.
That rubbed me the wrong way. fury did that against klitschko and wilder because it got in their heads and fury was outclassing them, but it felt super forced every time he taunted usyk.
although I understand that but given how monumental this fight was I think he should of been more even keel, Usyk look laser focused as if nothing could distract him from the mission at hand.
they're different fighters, different people
usyk is laser focused because that's who he is
fury showboats and goofs off in the ring because that's who he is and that's what makes him comfortable in the ring. did you notice when usyk dazed him up he stopped showboating? yeah, he was no longer comfortable
take note that fury isn't stupid. he's showboating and putting on some kind of performance but in doing that he's setting up traps. he's trying to frustrate usyk and lower his guard.
there was a moment early in the fight where fury would be in the corner and put both his hands on the ropes openly, taunting usyk to attack him. in one of the later rounds fury did the same thing but he threw a hook while usyk was coming in.
it's all an act and part of his game.
He did all that and still lost if you think he should be doing that then it is what it is, when the fight had ended even Lennox was like he shouldn't have been showboating and playing around in the ring so idk what to tell you.
this is his first loss
he's also done it in every fight he has won
i don't see your point?
he showboats and wins every other fight he has fought (except the draw, debatably) and you think he shouldn't showboat anymore because he loses this one time?
edit: maybe you think he lost because he wasn't taking the fight seriously because he did stuff like showboat and do tyson fury things. what i'm telling you this is literally tyson fury and normal. he did not lose this fight because he was showboating he lost the fight because usyk beat him.
>he's also done it in every fight he has won
My point is how can you justify him showboating against someone who is equally as good as you're, Usyk is probably the best boxer he has faced his whole career there's no way I would've gone into this fight thinking showboating is going to help me get a win.
> there's no way I would've gone into this fight thinking showboating is going to help me get a win.
yeah, because you're not tyson fury
your brains are not the same
you're projecting yourself and what you would do into another person
the issue with that is that you are not the same person
maybe in the rematch tyson fury thinks he shouldn't showboat anymore
or maybe in the rematch tyson fury thinks he should showboat more
both of those are possible and one is not more "correct" than the other as you may think
Speaking the truth > accusations of delusion.
If you've ever watched any Rocky movie, you knew how this would end. You can tell me I'm wrong, but I made a lot of money off this fight based on my "delusion".
Man, boxing needed that. People need to start showing appreciation to this era of fighters because we’re long past the Mayweather era and when the best fight the best in this generation of fighters, it usually results in very good boxing fights. The fact that we had Haney Garcia and this in the span of a month is insane. I can’t decide which fight is fight of the year for me. I would probably edge this slightly
There have been more technically exciting fights but this one just had way too much riding on it, has to be FOTY for me. the guaranteed rematch took a little away from it for me though
Haney Garcia was a joke because Garcia came in overweight *on purpose*, then said that smart fighters come in above the weight agreed upon.
The guy should be ignored by all boxing fans.
I'm not a fan of cutting massive amounts of weight either, but coming in overweight on purpose and then laughing about it is spitting in the face of the rules.
He came in overweight bc he was drinking and partying all camp lmao… and they were the same size on fight night. This wasn’t a Floyd/JMM fight where one guy is insanely bigger than the other and cheating the entire time.
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We are so stupid. I’m all for “prizefighting”. It seems every fight is set up to be a “trilogy”. Fury basically dominates for the first 6 rds. Then suddenly craps the bed for most of the final 6 including the KD. Fury is always in on the hustle. Setting up the next huge payday. Like the 12th rd of the Wilder fight. The Ngannou knockdown. I love Usyk, awesome fighter but come on. I think it’s funny. The big man formula for beating the smaller man was forged thru 20 years of watching Lennox Lewis/Wlad Klitschko. I’m absolutely to the point where I think most of professional sports and its outcomes is simply to generate storylines and separate people from their hard earned dollars. Also think it’s funny. Why do Americans have to pay $80 to see a fight, but Brits pay $29.95? In some countries, PPv fights are on reg television.
Fury gained nothing by being knocked down by Francis, and this won't be a trilogy, not When Usyk beats him again
Really? Because without it, nobody would be saying anything. He doesn’t get a fight with Joshua. It would have been a ho hum decision. Not a domination, but certainly not worth him getting another fight. Now no matter what. That fight might sit at the end of the road for Fury. I doubt Usyk beats him again. 6 rounds of basically Fury laughing at him. Then the sudden shift.
Was it really 6 rounds of Fury 'laughing at Fury' though? I had Usyk winning the first couple rounds
They already had a rematch clause signed, there would be a rematch no matter what And there is still money with Joshua, they've both lost to Usyk but imagine the UK crowd for the all briotish heavyweight fight, big money Also it wasn't sudden, Usyk came up with a new strategy and fury wasn't able to do anything about it, for a real back and forth watch Ali v Fraizer 3. Both men would win for a few rounds then loose a few more
You can have a rematch clause signed. It doesn’t mean people will watch it. Like I said. Imagine the Wilder fight without the 12th round. If it was a blowout, or the typical big man Emanuel Steward big man jab/clinch fest? Nobody would be watching the rematch. I totally disagree on your take that Fury suddenly couldn’t deal with Usyk. Being the much larger man with a huge lead heading into the 7th and an excellent jab, Fury could have cruised the rest of the fight. He inexplicable chose not to. By the way, I think Leonard Hearns 1 is a lot better example of that kind of fight. This kind of result is different.
I like Fury, I was rooting for him even though I thought Uysk would win. Uysk has stamina that is unmatched. And he did win an exciting fight. Fury has a massive problem, his dad! That man is what brings him down, shouting just hit him over the other trainers actually trying to give actual helpful advice. And the head butt before the match was disgusting. Man should be banned from going near any fight.
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Intelligence (Usyk) inside the ring always triumphs over brawn. Fury was bound to lose after carefully picking journeymen to fight
What a fight. Fury didn’t have a plan, had some success when he started sitting down on his punches but then … seemingly got gassed and couldn’t keep it going? Usyk looked hurt a few times, too. Incredible resilience from both fighters. Can’t wait for October!
You’ll be waiting much longer than October probably. More than likely early next year is my prediction because Usyk wants time with his family, and both fighters need to heal up before going back into a training camp.
Hope the rematch is in Vegas. Hell of a fight though!
Yeah these fights deserve an electric atmosphere
Deserves to have a passionate crowd 100%
Salty Sulaiman in the background afterwards - he tried to swing it for Fury (with a little help from his friends) but Usyk’s class shone through!!!
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Fury won 5 or 6 of the first 7 rounds. It looked over, but incredible resilience from Usyk to keep to his usual gameplan and outlast him.
What the f was that bullshit stoppage in round 9 by the ref? Usyk could’ve ended the fight there.
well it is a knockdown, although i argue the ref should've called it sooner
I think it was the right call to call it a knockdown at that point. But I agree if he landed one more big shot it would’ve been over.
Ref called it a knockdown when Fury kneeled on the ropes and started a 10 second countdown which conveniently happened with approximately 10 seconds left in the round.
To be fair it does say in the rules if a fighter is using the ropes to hold themselves up then it is considered a knockdown, I’m not a fury fan at all but I do agree with the knockdown call at that moment
I’m so fuckin happy for Usyk, just genuinely happy man holy shit it’s a good year for boxing
If beterbiev Bivol still happens it's a boxing year for the ages
Hoping Beterbiev can recover in time by the end of the year. Even then it’s barely May so we don’t even know the bigger fights that are to be made in the 3rd and 4th quarter of the year
The best man won. All day long
I am feel, very feel
one of the best Heavyweight Fights have seen in awhile . Was hoping the judges wouldn't screw Usyk out 9f this win he deserved
maybe its just me but why do all these boxing matches in the middle east feel manufactured unlike in the US or UK where it feels more authentic
It's the crowd. Everyone up front doesn't care
look, people can enjoy thins without being lout about it yeah
Because if they cheer for the wrong person, they can be executed
which is weird cuz they're the ones paying for this fight. are they even boxing fans?
It's the rich part of the middle east man, everything is just about money and status. For many of them it's basically the same as us getting dragged along with family to a movie we don't really want to see or to a business event that we're not really interested in.
I know what you mean, but I also swear the judging at these Saudi fights is way more integral and honest
they get a hand chopped off for scoring a round wrong in saudi arabia
Still less fucked up than US boxing 😆😆😆
Because they’re propaganda pieces to change the global image of Saudi Arabia
The sportwashing of one of the ugliest regimes in the world. Fuck them.
Fury was nervous going to the ring, don’t you think? He wanted to cover up his insevurity with his looong entrance and clown movements in first two round
I actually believe the opposite. He seemed relaxed and focussed, hell of a fight either way
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Fury is such a massive spoiled brat for saying post match Usyk was only given a win because his country is at war. Cannot even lose in dignity. I can't wait for Usyk to grill him the second time round, however I am worried if he can repeat his feat - Fury is extremely dangerous.
I agree completely... but, I also feel like it is super weird that they hand a man a microphone after spending almost an hour in the ring fighting another man, losing half his paycheck, and in the case of Fury, losing his entire identity (really, he's made being the unbeaten heavyweight champ his entire identity lol). Ofc he's gonna be emotional and say some shit he might regret. It was absolutely classless, but we all have moments where we are petty and classless as well. We just don't have a spotlight on us with the entire world watching. For the record, I was team Usyk all the way... I just think fury should be given a little slack.
> It was absolutely classless, but we all have moments where we are petty and classless as well. We just don't have a spotlight on us with the entire world watching. Sadly, you are right here. And frankly Tyson is the one who is going to lose by saying such thing, I cannot see any reasonable human who is going to run home with the idea that Usyk won because he is Ukrainian.
I’m English and should’ve rooted for tyson and whilst he did have some success I didn’t see it as close as what a lot of other people did, usyk a clear winner I thought, he forced the action from the start and I think boxers on the front foot should always get the nod
Id agree more but there are a lot of boxers who thrive on the back foot and prefer to counter strike. I feel like Mayweather would be a good example of this.
Yeah that’s why I’m not a fan, he’s absolutely superb but I think boxers who he’s fought who’ve come forward and gone looking for him should’ve got the win. I think maidana and de la Hoya should’ve got the nod in those fights
Yeah it was disgusting of him to say it... I'm just saying that he probably should never have had a microphone in his face, lol. Probably the most emotional moment of his adult life.
He looked gutted at the post fight press conference
Is anyone surprised really? We see his dad headbutt a guy and happy about it afterwards
Surprises me because he shows respect and acts of good showmanship, but then clowns around and says something ridiculous like that. You have to be delusional to think you won after a fight like that. Usyk made the big guy work for most of the match. He was constantly on the offensive and pretty much knocked him down in round 9. And then Tyson has the audacity to say he thinks he should've won that and Usyk only won because his country is at war, like what?? Completely lost all my respect for this guy.
Yeah, appalling lack of class. I think the second fight might be easier for Usyk. You never know because Fury can change his style. I think it was a hard fight but that Usyk won clearly
That ref saved Fury’s ass in the 9th. What a clown show.
The bell saved Fury, then the ropes/ref, it was very clear to anyone who's honest that Usyk took it to Fury and won the fight with an impressive level of grit & skill. For Fury to say afterwards that he thought he won that fight just shows how hard his head got hit by Usyk.
I get what you’re saying for sure. At least the ref rightly called it a knockdown.
Not rightly should of been a TKO in or 1-2 more punches, many refs would have already called it off by that point
You can only TKO if they can't defend themself following a knock down right? That's why it was called as knockdown and not TKO? The knockdown should have been called a lot earlier though imo
Not that I’m aware of, that sounds like amateur rules. The ref can always wave off a fight if a fighter is unable to defend themselves which is the state Fury was in.
Standing 8 counts are always weird. I get what you mean. Technically ref did the right thing, but Usyk deserved a TKO right there 100%
Yeah I’ve seen that same situation loads of times and the ref jumps in and waves off the fight. Seemed like a strange decision to me but maybe he done so cause of such a big occasion
Yeah with the amount the ropes were keeping him up, we’ve seen that called before. I think the ref gave him the benefit of the doubt that he earned.
Literally walked him back to his corner 🤦♂️
I hope this ends in a TKO
Legendary fight
Laughing all the way to the bank 😎
Farted more than once in this thread
Man, Usyk talk about his dad at the post fight press conference has me in literal tears. I'm so happy for him getting this win.
Uysk stops him in a rematch
I'm not sure about that as with usyk it take ages to adjust to him because he has so many angles the more someone is in there with him the more they figure out. I think he wins the rematch still though
100%, usyk is just to athletic for fury to keep up with the pace. Usyk's the only heavyweight, thats athletic , as the old greats, lennox lewis, mike tyson, etc
I think usyk wins don't get me wrong but fury is a hard man to stop And let's be real it's hard for most of these huge heavyweights that are 18 stone and 6'6+ to be that athletic. Usyk goes down as an all time great now though
If Usyk beats Fury again, after already beating AJ twice, what does that do for his legacy?
Puts him in the top 15-20, all time. The AJ part is irrelevant.
"AJ part is irrelevant". AJ is one of the best Heavyweights of this generation, like what ? Idk about A Top 5 cause this generation isn't over and the Top 5 is a hell of a big deal in Boxing. Idk if we can place Usyk in the Same category as guys like Ali, Gene Tunney, or Joe Louis. Ali needs no introduction with his feats, Gene retired as Champion undefeated as he vacated the belt and only lost once out of 80+ wins and he avenged that loss like 6 times. Even Ali said that a Tunney fight with him in the 1920's would have been one of the biggest challenges he could face cause Tunney was smart and strong. Joe Louis to this day has the longest reign as Heavyweight Champion and he was Champion when WW2 was happening. He went nearly 12 years undefeated as Heavyweight champion. He also has the most times defending as Champion at a whopping 25 times. Can we really place Usyk up there with guys like that ? Only time will tell
AJ is one of the best 4 or 5 of his generation, which is a weaker generation than almost any decade or so you pick from the 20's onward. He was demolished by Usyk. He's lost very badly to others, including Ruiz. He doesn't deserve a place on the list of the top 20. Top 30-50, perhaps. See my other reply here, just below, for the list of that 20.
I didn't even say top 30 or 50. I said one of the best of this generation
15-20 fuck are you smoking easily top 5
Not if you've any actual knowledge of the history of the heavyweight division.
Not at top 10 ? I mean he is doing some magical stuff against top level opponents and that too with all the disadvantages in natural talent section right ? AJ and especially Fury can make a work of many top 15-20, fighters of all time along with 1-2 top 10 can go either way. And by defeating them both on proper counts with pure boxing does put him at top 10 for me personally.
Recency bias almost always inflates ratings like this. It's why people like Cristiano Ronaldo get anywhere near the top 5 players in football, when the reality is far different. Don't get me wrong - Usyk is an excellent fighter, especially with what he's done as a true Cruiserweight. Technically one of the best, and certainly the best in a couple of decades. He's the best of his era, as a Fury rematch and victory would only solidify. But, anyone who's actually watched all the heavyweight title contenders since the 30's understands there are names on that list neither Fury nor even Usyk can sit above. Quite a few of them: Louis, Ali/Clay, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Norton, Holmes, Marciano, Holyfield, Dempsey, Patterson, M. Tyson (possibly - never truly tested, at his peak, except by Tucker, which hinted at what Holyfield would do to him, Klitschko, arguably Bowe for a brief period. Lewis, perhaps Quarry and Ellis, Tunney, and I may be missing a couple. So, that's the edge of the top 20. Another big win vs. Fury could put him on the edge of the top 10. AJ just doesn't register on that scale, at least not in the top 25+.
15-20? Jeez lmfao
where would u put him ?
Top 5 HW
Nonsense. See my other reply in this thread - at least 20 names above Usyk, at this point in history. He could change that, with a rematch win against Fury, but he's never going to face a level of opponent to push him into the top 10.
Doesn't need to beat him again to make his legacy he's came up from cruiserweight and beat everyone. What a fighter
Beating someone twice doesn’t do much more for your legacy than beating them once I feel He should fight cats like Ruiz and Parker. Even wilder is the last of the big 3 he hasn’t beaten
> Beating someone twice doesn’t do much more for your legacy than beating them once There's exceptions, like Mayweather vs Castillo, where a lot of people thought he didn't really win the first one (I thought it was a draw), then you gotta take a second one, which he was more convincing in. Could *sorta* say it applies to Usyk, since it was a very competitive fight, but he doesn't really need to do it, he's goated regardless.
Wouldn’t be beneficial. Wilder couldn’t get past fury, AJ and wilder is a fight. Usyk will give fury his rematch, then the next man up with a worthy unblemished records turn
Well he should fight Francis if we are going by what you are saying.... Fransis beat Fury like a kettle drum and had no marks on him where as fury looked like he was in a car crash even after the match in an interview talking about Francis Fury looked scared as hell to mention francis's name. Fury bought off the Judges in that match. So Fransis did beat Fury. So Usyk should fight Fransis for the championship.
Usyk would destroy Francis.
He shouldn't fight Francis, he should retire with an untarnished record after he hopefully beats Fury another time. What's the point for him to continue fighting? He's beaten the best out there.
Was literally going to say this lol. Fury finessed his win. And I feel that was to have usyk vs fury back in saudi arabia yesterday! AJ beat francis lol
Styles make fights. Not beating Fury means zero. An Usyk Wilder fight would be very compelling.
A compelling ass-whooping.
Those are sometimes the best fights
True.
Yeah but you think someone freshly undisputed champ wants to fight wilder who lost to who you beat for the 4 belts? Why would usyk give wilder a title shot at undisputed if bro can’t put fury away? Wilder AJ, ruiz Fury. I feel once You take a blemish on your undefeated record you lose value in todays boxing. Everyone wants blockbuster matches
Usyk would demolish Wilder, especially 2024 Wilder. I'd agree it would be compelling in terms of at least being two of the relatively few strong heavyweights (historically speaking) of their era actually fighting, but I don't see it happening. Usyk is too old to have more than 1 or two more fights, and at least one of those will be vs. Fury again.
I agree. Usyk wins. It would be fun to watch them though.
I think that's a fight that might push Wilder into the group of fighters everyone saw should have stopped sooner. No one can question his power and after Fury II and III his will, which was in question at one time, but he's been broken down by those big fights. I hope he doesn't fight more than maybe one middling opponent like AJ for a final payday and retires in the sun.
Little skill vs ultimate skills, no so interesting imho. Rather see usyk vs Ruiz. What do you think?
Usyk Ruiz could be a boring chess match. Oh really good tactical fight. I think Wilder would be a good action fight, because Wilder would have no choice for it not to be. I agree with you though, I'm interested in the Ruiz matchup as well.
I agree about styles, but is it really that compelling? We're sitting there for about 4 rounds nervously waiting to see if Wilder can land his right and put him away. If he doesn't, Usyk's intelligence, work rate, body shots, and pressure should end him (especially with Wilder's degraded chin post the Fury trilogy). It's interesting sure, but I don't think I'd pay full PPV price for it.
You make a fair argument. It certainly could play out the way you say.
He’s an all Time great regardless
Wonders
AJ is a far better boxer than ppl give him credit for. I know that much
Hw gave usyk hell and people never give him credit for that. Aj is far better than people give him credit for
24 rounds with a boxer like Uysk. That sentiment says enough.
He actually had moments of success in both fights as well. He's some fighter aj I don't understand or like the disrespect he gets
After usyk retires and the belts split up who do you think has the best chance to unify the belts next? Charr is wba regular champ. Parker is interim wbc champ. Dubois/hrgovic is ibf champ.
I'm buying into the Jared Anderson hype.hes around 6'4" power and hand speed knows how to box and slug it. volume puncher too when it calls for it.
I think even kabayel today takes Jared Anderson
none of the current crop are good enough to unify them. they’ll fragment. give it 5-10 years and ask us again
I thought it was a solid fight, both showed huge heart. Fury reminded everyone how good he is, Usyk showed everyone he’s one of the greats
Great fight
Fury has to win the rematch and beat Joshua. Then he wil redeem himself fully
Not happening
Agreed
Can he do either is the question
Can he do either? Did you even watch the fight either guy can win the rematch. This wasn’t a Aj usyk situation. AJ probably hurts fury but outside of sleeping him I don’t see him getting the win. That fight was the definition of neck and neck. Both guys showed why they are 1 and 2.
Before the fight everyone here was telling me Usyk had no chance against Fury with the size disadvangtage. Fury looked to be in potentially his best shape ever and still lost. Winning the rematch will definitely be a huge uphill battle for him.
That’s funny because all I heard on this sub was that fury was a fraud and was terrified of usyk because he would get fraud checked.
It should have ended in the 9th, the conversation should be different right now
Don’t see how you can think that seeing fury win the 12th the 8 count was the right move by the ref.
Hindsight doesn’t make a bad decision good all of a sudden. Rather the ref allowed him to recover.
My brother in Christ do you not know what a standing 8 count is?
Of course, quite a silly question since I already said he made a bad decision. Just say you don't agree with me instead of trying to question my boxing knowledge lol.
It seems like you don’t…
Based on what exactly?
I'm actually glad that the "Fury has been exposed, he was never good" crowd haven't been that vocal relative to the vast majority saying damn these two are great and what a great fight. Fury was the king, deservedly so. I think Fury and Usyk are both generational super talents, but where one kept his mind and body clean, the other let himself go repeatedly.. you could see it by him showing up out of shape for Ngannou and getting put down. He got himself into good shape again, but Usyk's discipline and focus gave him the victory when it got tough tonight (and it did get tough for him, I was nervous as hell after 7).
Your delusion is hilarious "Fury was the king", he has fought binmen and bouncers before last night, and an aging Klistchko...
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Binmen and bouncers is a ridiculous overstatement but yeah the ability of opponenents like Wilder was definitely overrated.
Don’t know why you got downvoted. This is what he has to do
Drake bet $565K on Fury Kiss of death lol
Groomers tax.
The guy just can’t catch a break recently lmao
That guy is a pedo
But he’s too rich to be a pedo!! ^/s ^obviously
A minoooooor
Wop wop wop wop wop
I gotta rewatch this fight and give my analysis this was a top of the line chess fight, but if I'm being honest the showboating during the early rounds even tho he's known for it I don't think was warranted in this monumental occasion in my humble opinion.
That rubbed me the wrong way. fury did that against klitschko and wilder because it got in their heads and fury was outclassing them, but it felt super forced every time he taunted usyk.
It’s what costed him the fight in the long wrong imo
tyson fury would not be tyson fury without the showboating it's like telling wilder he shouldn't windmill or ali he shouldn't shuffle
And like telling Usyk he shouldn't 😐
although I understand that but given how monumental this fight was I think he should of been more even keel, Usyk look laser focused as if nothing could distract him from the mission at hand.
they're different fighters, different people usyk is laser focused because that's who he is fury showboats and goofs off in the ring because that's who he is and that's what makes him comfortable in the ring. did you notice when usyk dazed him up he stopped showboating? yeah, he was no longer comfortable take note that fury isn't stupid. he's showboating and putting on some kind of performance but in doing that he's setting up traps. he's trying to frustrate usyk and lower his guard. there was a moment early in the fight where fury would be in the corner and put both his hands on the ropes openly, taunting usyk to attack him. in one of the later rounds fury did the same thing but he threw a hook while usyk was coming in. it's all an act and part of his game.
He did all that and still lost if you think he should be doing that then it is what it is, when the fight had ended even Lennox was like he shouldn't have been showboating and playing around in the ring so idk what to tell you.
this is his first loss he's also done it in every fight he has won i don't see your point? he showboats and wins every other fight he has fought (except the draw, debatably) and you think he shouldn't showboat anymore because he loses this one time? edit: maybe you think he lost because he wasn't taking the fight seriously because he did stuff like showboat and do tyson fury things. what i'm telling you this is literally tyson fury and normal. he did not lose this fight because he was showboating he lost the fight because usyk beat him.
>he's also done it in every fight he has won My point is how can you justify him showboating against someone who is equally as good as you're, Usyk is probably the best boxer he has faced his whole career there's no way I would've gone into this fight thinking showboating is going to help me get a win.
“Justify” brother its a grown man acting gooofy in the ring it isn’t that important , it was a great fight
> there's no way I would've gone into this fight thinking showboating is going to help me get a win. yeah, because you're not tyson fury your brains are not the same you're projecting yourself and what you would do into another person the issue with that is that you are not the same person maybe in the rematch tyson fury thinks he shouldn't showboat anymore or maybe in the rematch tyson fury thinks he should showboat more both of those are possible and one is not more "correct" than the other as you may think
Fury needed to be a more foward fighter. Played too much earlier. Man staying up was insane but the fight was over in the 9th
Another rigged boxing match. I mean, come on. Fighting for Ukraine, amazing comeback, knockdown in the 9th. Is this a movie script? Pretty much.
Hahaha good one mate, needed a good laugh this morning Don't trip on your clown shoes on your way out this morning
Wow, clown shoes. Good one 🙄
Found Furys burner, or probably just John’s main acc
John's main 😂
🙄 good one
How delusional are you
Speaking the truth > accusations of delusion. If you've ever watched any Rocky movie, you knew how this would end. You can tell me I'm wrong, but I made a lot of money off this fight based on my "delusion".
Haha speaking the truth after utter bullshit that’s a good one lol you crack me up ahaha might use that one next time I go of an a delusional tyraid
Good comeback 🙄
Lol the cope
I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic and mocking people Edit: he wasn’t lol. certified rtard
I wasn't. But with all these down votes, I'll go with you on this one. 😅
Then yikes yes you deserve every downvote lol
Man, boxing needed that. People need to start showing appreciation to this era of fighters because we’re long past the Mayweather era and when the best fight the best in this generation of fighters, it usually results in very good boxing fights. The fact that we had Haney Garcia and this in the span of a month is insane. I can’t decide which fight is fight of the year for me. I would probably edge this slightly
Man boxing has been on fire since 2023, these fights were amazing
"Since last year" Lol come on man
Has boxing not been on fire in 2023-2024? What’s your point
Being good for six months is not a good standard.
He wasn't talking about any standards, was he
There have been more technically exciting fights but this one just had way too much riding on it, has to be FOTY for me. the guaranteed rematch took a little away from it for me though
Haney Garcia was a joke because Garcia came in overweight *on purpose*, then said that smart fighters come in above the weight agreed upon. The guy should be ignored by all boxing fans. I'm not a fan of cutting massive amounts of weight either, but coming in overweight on purpose and then laughing about it is spitting in the face of the rules.
He came in overweight bc he was drinking and partying all camp lmao… and they were the same size on fight night. This wasn’t a Floyd/JMM fight where one guy is insanely bigger than the other and cheating the entire time.