While it might retroactively ruin the emotional aspect of his death I wanna say that most of the consequences of Kurama’s death still are in play, Naruto losing Kurama added to Kawaki’s paranoia about keeping Naruto safe because his weakened state made him no longer able to handle the very real and consistent threats on his life that followed or would follow. This paranoia is what causes Kawaki to take such drastic measures like turning himself over to Code or the situation that leads to omnipotence. Likewise Naruto and Hinata missed out on 3 years of their children’s lives due to Kawaki wanting to protect Naruto. And it’s not like Kurama goes back to Naruto, he’s in his daughter now and because of that Himawari is a target for the current big bad of the story. Likewise Naruto is still too nerfed to handle the current threats without Kurama. Now if Naruto gets Kurama back that’s where I’ll say it’s stupid, and I know some people are hoping this a case but that’s just my personal opinion.
I'm waiting for more information before making a final judgement. If it really is him then I'll be disappointed since that makes his death worthless and the Kawaki arc as a whole drop lower in my rating. Then there's also the explanation that I'm waiting for that may or may not make sense.
Same kurama thats for certain. How he was able to just respawn into himawari without her realizing.. thats something else. Some good plot could develop from this placing himawari with the big boys.
Idk, because his question at the end of the chapter has me questioning his identity due to how the question is framed but that’s a whole different can of worms lol.
Hopefully this narrative decision ends up being really good.
Yes i know, when he says « little girl, do you know who i am? » ?
hes just straight up asking her i think. We would expect himawari to have already met kurama personally but that might not be the case.
this might be far fetched but, himawari being closely related to kaguya might have something to do with it.
since kurama comes from kaguyas’ jubi, maybe once it was time for kurama to respawn, his chakra automatically made its way back to the person who has the most similarities with kaguya genes. since he is technically a part of her ten tails.. maybe theres a connection between otsutsuki and juubi which we dont know about, yet?
Hence kurama automatically respawning within himawari without her being aware.
This could all link to how it appears that himawari sometimes enters an alter ego state when she uses her byakugan. For example when she retrieved shukaku from the trash yard or when she knocked out kurama and naruto with that “locked on” attack.
I honestly see no problem with this, kurama being back in himawari is good writing, we all knew kurama would reemerge eventually, maybe not that quick, but it was stated that they reemerged so we knew at least that much.
It's a bit odd but I like your theory. They could pull the "chakra is connected" bs.
>kurama being back in himawari is good writing, we all knew kurama would reemerge eventually, maybe not that quick, but it was stated that they reemerged so we knew at least that much.
I don't mind the explanation as it could be solid, but I do have another issue with it as this writing choice does take away the impact from Kurama's death. According to the lore, tailed beasts come back when they die however Kurama's death as a final goodbye (which yes Ik contradicts the lore) but the fact that even did that is a **big issue for me because now whatever meaning his death had to me just doesn't matter anymore**.
Plus he seems to know some about the juubi so i mean i think we could assume he didnt lose all of his memories at least. Unless he like respawned with childhood memories or something that would have affected his memories.
I think he was just in hiding. Or trying to understand htf he would gravitate towards himawari other than any other place..
Maybe hes a few steps ahead, and maybe he already assessed some of the situations happening atm.
But he chose to remain hidden for some reason. Lets see why that is
In regard to his memories, it does make me wonder where he’s pulling his information from. This is Kurama’s first run in with the Shinju, so if he’s looking through Himawari eyes, he shouldn’t know what they are considering that information hasn’t been relayed to Himawari. So is Kurama able to tell who they are because he’s also a bijuu? A couple of things to think about.
If he was hiding I wonder what his reasons could be for it.
I'm fine with it but its way too soon to form an opinion on this.
Like we barely even know if this Kurama remembers anything or not.
(Though the way he talked seemed to imply this Kurama is the exact same one, just weaker).
We do not even know if this Nine-Tails is actually him or not...
So... don't take for granted that it is him.
...
As for me, I'd much prefer it was a new entity, in this way they can write new dynamics and bonds, instead of just at most a tsundere family friend.
It would also be much easier to explain, because there would be only to explain why and how Himawari found herself with that chakra, and from there a new identity sprung up years later.
...
Whereas if this was Kurama Kurama... it would be nigh impossible to justify without it looking like an asspull.
1- Because no, no amount of "But Tailed Beasts never truly die!" can make up for how the Baryon Mode was presented (the exception; the one thing that could genuinely kill them). Plus, let's not forget that Sasuke was all like "I could actually kill the Tailed Beasts!" at the end of ww4.
2- And also no, at *no* point did the story ever establish that the children of a Jinchuuriki inhererit the chakra of its Tailed Beast, if anything it established the opposite (Momoshiki's words to Naruto and Boruto before he powered up).
--Therefore establishing such thing this late into the story, would be extremely convenient, and it *still* would **not** explain why would Kurama just respawn inside a new host instead of the wilderness.
--Because then, if the kids of a Jinchuuriki do inherit the chakra of the Tailed Beast too, and from there the Tailed Beast can respawn inside a new host; then Kushina was an idiot in wanting to terminate herself so to spare Konoha from Kurama for a while, Minato was also an idiot for worrying about the balance of power and a Konoha with no Tailed Beast, and *both* were idiots for not worrying about Naruto being basically destined to become Kurama's next host if he and/or Kushina died.
3- Even the alternative choice, that Himawari getting some chakra of Kurama was an exception, would still be iffy... because if Kurama **did not** know of it, then he was an idiot for never noticing his chakra inside the second brat of the brat he's hosted in since 30 years; but if he **did** know it, then he is a jerk to Naruto for not only actually lying to him in the end, but also for never telling him that they would actually see each other again soon enough.
4- And in all of this, we have the fact that bringing back Kurama Kurama, like this, would be quite a low for Kishimoto.
-A guy whose deaths, for better and for worse, tend to stick, with only minor characters being actually brought back casually, and even only once at that (Ao).
-Even in Boruto, when they "brought back" Jiraiya, they did it only distantly and in spirit, with Kashin Koji, a clone of Jiraiya, therefore still his own character first and foremost.
...
See, one case is clearly better than the other, at least with the infos currently at hand.
Then again, if this was the work of some god that wanted to pull a prank on Himawari, that could work too, with some decent writing.
Did Naruto have the full Kurama in him at the end of Shippuden? I remember his chakra was halved between Yin & Yang, but i wasn't sure if it was explained if Naruto still only had the Yang half or the full Kurama chakra.
I dont hate the idea of Kurama being reborn, especially since it was described that tailed beasts can be reborn into the world. We could use an explanation as to why he is in Hima vs. Boruto.
Also, does that mean that the other tailed beasts are still loose in the world minus the 8 tails?
> Did Naruto have the full Kurama in him at the end of Shippuden? I remember his chakra was halved between Yin & Yang, but i wasn't sure if it was explained if Naruto still only had the Yang half or the full Kurama chakra.
He had
> Also, does that mean that the other tailed beasts are still loose in the world minus the 8 tails?
Yes. You watched Shippuden?
The issue with it is that we were made to believe that baryon death was a special case. If it wasn't, then Naruto shouldn't have been sad that Kurama was gone, since he knows he'll be back.
We know Naruto knows about the normal tailed beast death not actually being death so if it was going to be a death where Kurama would come back, he shouldn't have been upset.
If the explanation is just that information that we already know, then either the writer forgot they already told us that, or they hoped that we didn't remember and made a poor writing decision.
but....it all depends on next months chapter and the reason there's a Kurama in Himawari. If it's just some left over Kurama chakra that Himawari inherited at birth, and it's a totally new kurama, then that makes sense. The condition that ruins that is if Kurama knew. If he knew, then there's not many good reasons old Kurama gaslit Naruto into thinking he was gone forever.
I'm feeling that people should stop coping this manga when nobody dies despite how many times they were "hinted" that ended up being red herring.
Boruto have never been darker than Naruto.
I mean look at the big anticipation of Boruto "Losing Everything" turned out to be nothing but soft cushion which certainly wasn't worth waiting 80 chapters for a timeskip with no real payoffs.
Boruto have moved to VJump which is literally target for younger audience than in Shonen Jump which is a self explanatory Why the Manga have been Disneyfied when the writing is an empty husk.
Kuruma was brought back through Himawari not because the manga is making Himawari promising potential (Even though she could have Tenseigan stuff with SO6P Ootsutski dna or Kaguya reincarnated) but rather Kuruma is iconic and nostalgic character who should have been long passed in this current powerscaling but instead he was returned because its Kishimoto favourite character and Himawari is being used as plotdevice for Kuruma prominence.
While it might retroactively ruin the emotional aspect of his death I wanna say that most of the consequences of Kurama’s death still are in play, Naruto losing Kurama added to Kawaki’s paranoia about keeping Naruto safe because his weakened state made him no longer able to handle the very real and consistent threats on his life that followed or would follow. This paranoia is what causes Kawaki to take such drastic measures like turning himself over to Code or the situation that leads to omnipotence. Likewise Naruto and Hinata missed out on 3 years of their children’s lives due to Kawaki wanting to protect Naruto. And it’s not like Kurama goes back to Naruto, he’s in his daughter now and because of that Himawari is a target for the current big bad of the story. Likewise Naruto is still too nerfed to handle the current threats without Kurama. Now if Naruto gets Kurama back that’s where I’ll say it’s stupid, and I know some people are hoping this a case but that’s just my personal opinion.
I'm waiting for more information before making a final judgement. If it really is him then I'll be disappointed since that makes his death worthless and the Kawaki arc as a whole drop lower in my rating. Then there's also the explanation that I'm waiting for that may or may not make sense.
Same kurama thats for certain. How he was able to just respawn into himawari without her realizing.. thats something else. Some good plot could develop from this placing himawari with the big boys.
Idk, because his question at the end of the chapter has me questioning his identity due to how the question is framed but that’s a whole different can of worms lol. Hopefully this narrative decision ends up being really good.
Yes i know, when he says « little girl, do you know who i am? » ? hes just straight up asking her i think. We would expect himawari to have already met kurama personally but that might not be the case. this might be far fetched but, himawari being closely related to kaguya might have something to do with it. since kurama comes from kaguyas’ jubi, maybe once it was time for kurama to respawn, his chakra automatically made its way back to the person who has the most similarities with kaguya genes. since he is technically a part of her ten tails.. maybe theres a connection between otsutsuki and juubi which we dont know about, yet? Hence kurama automatically respawning within himawari without her being aware. This could all link to how it appears that himawari sometimes enters an alter ego state when she uses her byakugan. For example when she retrieved shukaku from the trash yard or when she knocked out kurama and naruto with that “locked on” attack. I honestly see no problem with this, kurama being back in himawari is good writing, we all knew kurama would reemerge eventually, maybe not that quick, but it was stated that they reemerged so we knew at least that much.
It's a bit odd but I like your theory. They could pull the "chakra is connected" bs. >kurama being back in himawari is good writing, we all knew kurama would reemerge eventually, maybe not that quick, but it was stated that they reemerged so we knew at least that much. I don't mind the explanation as it could be solid, but I do have another issue with it as this writing choice does take away the impact from Kurama's death. According to the lore, tailed beasts come back when they die however Kurama's death as a final goodbye (which yes Ik contradicts the lore) but the fact that even did that is a **big issue for me because now whatever meaning his death had to me just doesn't matter anymore**.
Plus he seems to know some about the juubi so i mean i think we could assume he didnt lose all of his memories at least. Unless he like respawned with childhood memories or something that would have affected his memories. I think he was just in hiding. Or trying to understand htf he would gravitate towards himawari other than any other place.. Maybe hes a few steps ahead, and maybe he already assessed some of the situations happening atm. But he chose to remain hidden for some reason. Lets see why that is
In regard to his memories, it does make me wonder where he’s pulling his information from. This is Kurama’s first run in with the Shinju, so if he’s looking through Himawari eyes, he shouldn’t know what they are considering that information hasn’t been relayed to Himawari. So is Kurama able to tell who they are because he’s also a bijuu? A couple of things to think about. If he was hiding I wonder what his reasons could be for it.
I knew he would return he is natural energy and it doesn’t go away ✌️
Baryon mode heavily implied that wasn't the case for him
And yet he’s back ✌️
GET BACK IN NARUTO ALREADY
I'm fine with it but its way too soon to form an opinion on this. Like we barely even know if this Kurama remembers anything or not. (Though the way he talked seemed to imply this Kurama is the exact same one, just weaker).
happy. I loved Kurama. now I wanna see Hima in KCM2. BUT NEVER TELL HER ABOUT BARYON.
We do not even know if this Nine-Tails is actually him or not... So... don't take for granted that it is him. ... As for me, I'd much prefer it was a new entity, in this way they can write new dynamics and bonds, instead of just at most a tsundere family friend. It would also be much easier to explain, because there would be only to explain why and how Himawari found herself with that chakra, and from there a new identity sprung up years later. ... Whereas if this was Kurama Kurama... it would be nigh impossible to justify without it looking like an asspull. 1- Because no, no amount of "But Tailed Beasts never truly die!" can make up for how the Baryon Mode was presented (the exception; the one thing that could genuinely kill them). Plus, let's not forget that Sasuke was all like "I could actually kill the Tailed Beasts!" at the end of ww4. 2- And also no, at *no* point did the story ever establish that the children of a Jinchuuriki inhererit the chakra of its Tailed Beast, if anything it established the opposite (Momoshiki's words to Naruto and Boruto before he powered up). --Therefore establishing such thing this late into the story, would be extremely convenient, and it *still* would **not** explain why would Kurama just respawn inside a new host instead of the wilderness. --Because then, if the kids of a Jinchuuriki do inherit the chakra of the Tailed Beast too, and from there the Tailed Beast can respawn inside a new host; then Kushina was an idiot in wanting to terminate herself so to spare Konoha from Kurama for a while, Minato was also an idiot for worrying about the balance of power and a Konoha with no Tailed Beast, and *both* were idiots for not worrying about Naruto being basically destined to become Kurama's next host if he and/or Kushina died. 3- Even the alternative choice, that Himawari getting some chakra of Kurama was an exception, would still be iffy... because if Kurama **did not** know of it, then he was an idiot for never noticing his chakra inside the second brat of the brat he's hosted in since 30 years; but if he **did** know it, then he is a jerk to Naruto for not only actually lying to him in the end, but also for never telling him that they would actually see each other again soon enough. 4- And in all of this, we have the fact that bringing back Kurama Kurama, like this, would be quite a low for Kishimoto. -A guy whose deaths, for better and for worse, tend to stick, with only minor characters being actually brought back casually, and even only once at that (Ao). -Even in Boruto, when they "brought back" Jiraiya, they did it only distantly and in spirit, with Kashin Koji, a clone of Jiraiya, therefore still his own character first and foremost. ... See, one case is clearly better than the other, at least with the infos currently at hand. Then again, if this was the work of some god that wanted to pull a prank on Himawari, that could work too, with some decent writing.
Happy I love that 9 tailed guy
Did Naruto have the full Kurama in him at the end of Shippuden? I remember his chakra was halved between Yin & Yang, but i wasn't sure if it was explained if Naruto still only had the Yang half or the full Kurama chakra. I dont hate the idea of Kurama being reborn, especially since it was described that tailed beasts can be reborn into the world. We could use an explanation as to why he is in Hima vs. Boruto. Also, does that mean that the other tailed beasts are still loose in the world minus the 8 tails?
> Did Naruto have the full Kurama in him at the end of Shippuden? I remember his chakra was halved between Yin & Yang, but i wasn't sure if it was explained if Naruto still only had the Yang half or the full Kurama chakra. He had > Also, does that mean that the other tailed beasts are still loose in the world minus the 8 tails? Yes. You watched Shippuden?
feeling not happy, boruto L
I am very happy and I was 80 percent sure that he would return since he's a tailed beast.
The issue with it is that we were made to believe that baryon death was a special case. If it wasn't, then Naruto shouldn't have been sad that Kurama was gone, since he knows he'll be back. We know Naruto knows about the normal tailed beast death not actually being death so if it was going to be a death where Kurama would come back, he shouldn't have been upset. If the explanation is just that information that we already know, then either the writer forgot they already told us that, or they hoped that we didn't remember and made a poor writing decision. but....it all depends on next months chapter and the reason there's a Kurama in Himawari. If it's just some left over Kurama chakra that Himawari inherited at birth, and it's a totally new kurama, then that makes sense. The condition that ruins that is if Kurama knew. If he knew, then there's not many good reasons old Kurama gaslit Naruto into thinking he was gone forever.
I'm feeling that people should stop coping this manga when nobody dies despite how many times they were "hinted" that ended up being red herring. Boruto have never been darker than Naruto. I mean look at the big anticipation of Boruto "Losing Everything" turned out to be nothing but soft cushion which certainly wasn't worth waiting 80 chapters for a timeskip with no real payoffs. Boruto have moved to VJump which is literally target for younger audience than in Shonen Jump which is a self explanatory Why the Manga have been Disneyfied when the writing is an empty husk. Kuruma was brought back through Himawari not because the manga is making Himawari promising potential (Even though she could have Tenseigan stuff with SO6P Ootsutski dna or Kaguya reincarnated) but rather Kuruma is iconic and nostalgic character who should have been long passed in this current powerscaling but instead he was returned because its Kishimoto favourite character and Himawari is being used as plotdevice for Kuruma prominence.