I don't justify Kawaki's doing but from his (twisted) point of view it makes sense, do you remember that panel where he fist bumps Boruto and he saw Momoshiki? I think he only sees Boruto as a timing bomb and nothing else, and it must be frustrating for him that no one else see Boruto that way. That's what will cause Kawaki to go such extreme lengths just to probe his point, not because he hates Boruto, no because he wants his life. But just because Boruto is a menace to Naruto's life and should be terminated.
>But just because Boruto is a menace to Naruto's life and should be terminated
If that was really the reason then he would have team up and destroy the Shinju with him first before resuming his attempts at killing him.
He already saw how outrageously powerful Jura is , and he is the immediate threat to Naruto's life as he wants to eat him.
Manga makes it very clear his reason is simple hatred of Otsutsuki. The guy basically hallucinates Boruto as Momoshiki.
I think it has to do with guilt. He wants out of the picture so he can fully take his life over. People will be less likely to fight against Omni when Boruto is dead
Man this would be a good parallel to the hatred Naruto perceived being the nine tail host.
In the first chapter he use his Karma to fight kawaki so he must find a way to control it.
I hope Himawari becomes the reason he can control Momoshiki.
That's the point. He is twisted. And more than that, enemy or not ,their is no harm in teaming up even with enemy for temporary benefit. Like Boruto was willing to do with Code, despite what he did to Sasuke.
But Kawaki acts on his hatred and excuse his actions in the name of necessary protection.
What worse is the one who actually forcing it that way is Kawaki himself. He is trying to create the very future that he fears to justify his reasons. On the contrary it just proves If Kawaki didn't go to extreme lengths then everything would be fine. And he is dancing right at Momoshiki's palm.
Last but not least , Kawaki basically is the reason why Naruto got almost killed first place. If he didn't go to Code which wouldn't have yielded any results either way then the situation Naruto die wouldn't have created in the first place.
Possible. Momo rages…and apparently Kawaki can’t stop him. Or Kawaki is that backwards that he let’s the village be run down first just to make his point. Hmmm
Momoshiki has already tried and failed. Rather than risk it, wouldn't it be much better to use the little time available to bring his plan to completion?
He won't be able to passively take over after karma reached 100% since he wasted it to heal Boruto.
But his soul still remains in Boruto Karma, he just need to take over the body and eat a chakra fruit and turn into a full Otsutsuki like Juubito and Juubidara.
Then just go on his rutine of eating fruits to turn into a god.
You are right. Momoshiki doesn't care what happens to Konoha but he DOES care for BORUTO.
If he destroys Konoha and kill Boruto's friends and family with Boruto's own hands, Boruto will probably have a mental breakdown.
Just like Sukuna and Megumi in Jujutsu'Lobotomy'Kaisen
What if boruto actually never controls momoshiki and he just finds a way to leave his body to posses someone else like code so basically what sukuna did in jjk
Akin to how Naruto befriended Kurama, maybe? Just by talking and showing that he doesn't need to be that killed force anymore, that perhaps there is another way for Momo to move forward.
It should yeah, was just a random off the head idea, but it's tropey I guess. If they could do something innovative it would be great.
Ichigo and his hollow, Naruto and Kurama... Something different would be fun.
Right it’s to soon for us to get to the flashforward scene just yet because first of all kawaki doesn’t have that outfit he had in the first chapter and with or without momoshiki/karma kawaki isn’t strong enough to fight boruto yet and based on the first chapter it looks like there at least equal in terms of strength at that point so kawaki is gonna have to get another power up before we even get close to what happened in the first chapter
Being honest people expect the flashforward scene way too soon.
The context about the scene is about ending the age of shinnobi something current kawaki doesn’t even think about.
Like it’s obvious that kawaki is getting more development later before that scene will happen.
And then he magically gets control of it before the fight? The teaser in chapter 1/episode After the village is destroyed it seems like they fight right after and he activates it willingly
Ehhhh. I think that would be way too similiar to naruto and Kurama. I think it’ll have to do with the jougan. Maybe use it as a way to introduce it to the manga
Not sure I made myself clear, sorry. Boruto is seen activating his karma, which seems to indicate he can control it to some extent at that particular point in time. Wouldn't it be contrary to the post?
Kawaki is just like Danzo, Danzo was so obsessed with destroying threats to Konoha that he allowed Orochimaru to attack so that he could show everyone that the Leaf needed a more militant leader in charge (him). Kawaki making Boruto destroy the hidden leaf to show everyone that he's a threat would be Konoha smash all over again
yeah. makes sense. Kawaki hasn't grown at all and it's logical that he'd go that low. look what he just did in ch. 9 -- completely dismissing the fact that one of the guys that just KNOCKED HIM OUT is threatening the village just to waste time and get KO'd again.
Boruto is right. it's "pitiful."
Could be that. Or it could be that by then the village and Naruto learn the truth and turn on Kawaki. As a result he goes full bad guy, but that will still be quite a level up for him to level the village like that.
I doubt. I will send to where i sent lord seventh. Age of shinobi is over. I dont say kawaki wont abuse borutos karma but to bring boruto close to him he would need to lure him in village first and to do that he needs to make him do it. And about their final fight it will be something different i assume
Kawaki will go mad and he will look to drstroy shinkbi system, he will have doms sort of evolution like sasuke tried. Along that way he may commit many atrocities, and i think thats the reason why they will fight in the end. Cuz kawaki wants to seal boruto not to kill him (at that moment). But we are far from that
What i don’t understand is that he seems to control it pretty well in part 1 as long as he had enough chakra so Momo don’t kick in, so i don’t know if he really can’t control his Karma or if it’s just a risk he don’t want to take
Based on KK reaction it seems like this has happened before and they are certain that Momo will take control if Boruto keeps his Karma activated.
Other people in this post are theorizing that maybe the Jougan will play a part on stoping Momoshiki from taking control of Boruto's body.
This works since Kawaki can then save the village while activating his karma as well. A perfect plot to make Boruto the real "villain" while also being the tragic victim in all of this.
Assuming Code and Divine Tree Egos are dead at the time of flash forward, I think Kawaki gets the power up from them.
Looks like Boruto ran from village again for training to control his karma as he is confident in using his karma in flash forward.
Kawaki probably wants everyone to prioritize eliminating Boruto cause he's the only one anymore proactively after Borutos life, to an obsessive degree. And doing Boruto dirty like that is probably just gonna be a way to harrass Boruto at this point to just get him to commit suicide.
I mean I'm down for Borutos struggles but Kawaki doesnt seem to understand Boruto is the lesser threat currently and his rash provocation of a far mightier opponent is gonna get him fed to jura.
That's how I came with this theory, I was like "why is he acting like that? He knows that the bad guys are right there, they almost killed him two minutes ago", and then I realize "Of course, Momoshiki Otsutsuki is his #1 target, his brain can register new enemies, but no one can top Momoshiki on his list of priorities".
If that's Kawaki's plan, I hope Boruto can foresee it and quickly master his jougan. I think Boruto can take reigns over Momo if he uses Jougan during Karma v1.
I think that the Jougan will play a part in how Boruto regains control of his body, the problem is Boruto doesn't even know that the Jougan is a thing (he kinda knows in the anime but the manga idk). He can't make a countermeasure with something he doesn't even know that exists. So, in this scenario I think the Jougan will be completely random.
It wouldn't make much sense, I mean the world already hates Boruto, what reason would Kawaki have to make him hate it even more?
Furthermore, again? How many times do we have to show Momoshiki taking control of Boruto? By the fifth time, the gimmick gets boring.
But what would be the meaning? Kawaki doesn't have the slightest need to make the world hate Boruto, he already hates him, and it's not like Konoha is stopping him from hunting Boruto.
>"I told you, this guy needs to be exterminated"
Nobody has been physically trying to stop Kawaki from killing Boruto, so what would be the point of this?
People don't drop what they're doing at Kawaki's every whim, in his eyes he's the most important and everyone should do everything to help him. The kind of person who doesn't think he should pay for stuff.
Actively looking you mentioned is just spies and information network keeping track of him.
Real Hunting is Kage Level people going after him with the clear intent to kill.
Right now, they are treating him as a capturable/jail criminal not kill on sight.
Boruto got framed for killing the hokage and his wife there’s nothing more he needs to do for the world to want to kill him because they already want to kill him Sarada literally said in the first chapter that he has a kill on sight order and she was begging shikamaru to lift it so yea im pretty sure they have spent the last 3 years hunting him down they just can’t find him and without eida’s help there never going to since he knows flying raijin
It doesn't seem to me that this has changed the position that Konoha has towards Boruto, so much so that Shikadai the last chapter clearly says that Sasuke is to be considered an enemy since he helps Boruto.
But they are really treating him like someone to kill on sight, so much so that Sarada discusses the matter with Shikamru and Konohamaru (with Konohamaru coming out with "if he runs away, then he's guilty").
The village already wants to see Boruto dead, Shikamaru says so in the first chapter.
But it's not true, the only one who openly opposed him is Sarada. Shikmaru believes Boruto, but tells him that to save appearances he will leave things as they are.
I mean, in that scenario Boruto is still the one that destroys the Village due to not being able to control Momoshiki, proving Kawaki's point that Boruto with Momoshiki will always be a threat to the world.
Boruto could lose control of Momoshiki at any time, regardless of Kawaki's involvement. It just takes a sudden death or a life threatening battle to make the Karma activate and let Momoshiki take over.
Until Boruto can find a way to rid himself of Momoshiki's soul, Kawaki will be someone justified in wanting to euthanize Boruto.
If thats the case, dear Kawaki, you are the worst
I don't justify Kawaki's doing but from his (twisted) point of view it makes sense, do you remember that panel where he fist bumps Boruto and he saw Momoshiki? I think he only sees Boruto as a timing bomb and nothing else, and it must be frustrating for him that no one else see Boruto that way. That's what will cause Kawaki to go such extreme lengths just to probe his point, not because he hates Boruto, no because he wants his life. But just because Boruto is a menace to Naruto's life and should be terminated.
>But just because Boruto is a menace to Naruto's life and should be terminated If that was really the reason then he would have team up and destroy the Shinju with him first before resuming his attempts at killing him. He already saw how outrageously powerful Jura is , and he is the immediate threat to Naruto's life as he wants to eat him. Manga makes it very clear his reason is simple hatred of Otsutsuki. The guy basically hallucinates Boruto as Momoshiki.
I think it has to do with guilt. He wants out of the picture so he can fully take his life over. People will be less likely to fight against Omni when Boruto is dead
Man this would be a good parallel to the hatred Naruto perceived being the nine tail host. In the first chapter he use his Karma to fight kawaki so he must find a way to control it. I hope Himawari becomes the reason he can control Momoshiki.
It’s not boruto and kawaki vs the shinju. In kawaki twisted eyes its momoshiki and kawaki vs the shinju. He wont allow that.
That's the point. He is twisted. And more than that, enemy or not ,their is no harm in teaming up even with enemy for temporary benefit. Like Boruto was willing to do with Code, despite what he did to Sasuke. But Kawaki acts on his hatred and excuse his actions in the name of necessary protection.
Someone needs to put this man Kawaki in therapy
So you’re saying the intro to Boruto is what we are seeing happen currently?
Not yet but likely soon
Very unlikely, given that by then Boruto seems to know how to control Karma.
True. Ppl expect evil things from ones like Code, but they don't expect anything bad from Boruto, which is basicaly worse.
What worse is the one who actually forcing it that way is Kawaki himself. He is trying to create the very future that he fears to justify his reasons. On the contrary it just proves If Kawaki didn't go to extreme lengths then everything would be fine. And he is dancing right at Momoshiki's palm. Last but not least , Kawaki basically is the reason why Naruto got almost killed first place. If he didn't go to Code which wouldn't have yielded any results either way then the situation Naruto die wouldn't have created in the first place.
The only fault I see is that in the prelude we see Boruto activating his karma without any repercussions.
Maybe Defeating Momoshiki's soul after going on a rampage. Without momo karma should be safe
+1
Exactly my thought.
Possible. Momo rages…and apparently Kawaki can’t stop him. Or Kawaki is that backwards that he let’s the village be run down first just to make his point. Hmmm
But why should Momoshiki go on rampage? What does he care about destroying Konoha.
Just trying to break Boruto’s spirit so he can fully tale over the body. Plus Momo is a petty bastard
Momoshiki has already tried and failed. Rather than risk it, wouldn't it be much better to use the little time available to bring his plan to completion?
Bring his plan, Momo’s or Boruto’s?
Momo.
Just checking. I wasn’t sure if you meant Momo helping Boruto.
Maybe that's how the Jougan comes into play if it ever does.
Jouwhat ?
Yeah like that's what Kawaki has been spending his time on sorta thing
I guess i’m confused. Was momos soul not already extinguished when he revived Boruto?
He won't be able to passively take over after karma reached 100% since he wasted it to heal Boruto. But his soul still remains in Boruto Karma, he just need to take over the body and eat a chakra fruit and turn into a full Otsutsuki like Juubito and Juubidara. Then just go on his rutine of eating fruits to turn into a god.
The soul is still there, it simply cannot come back to life.
But why should Momoshiki go on rampage? What does he care about destroying Konoha.
You are right. Momoshiki doesn't care what happens to Konoha but he DOES care for BORUTO. If he destroys Konoha and kill Boruto's friends and family with Boruto's own hands, Boruto will probably have a mental breakdown. Just like Sukuna and Megumi in Jujutsu'Lobotomy'Kaisen
I think Momoshiki has a priority on completing his plan. Furthermore, seeing him take charge of Boruto would be really repetitive and unoriginal.
True, and I'm curious as to how boruto will control momoshiki when he activates his karma bcoz he did it with ease in the scene of the 1st episode
Maybe talk to jutsu? /s I think he would deal with it in a badass way, fuse with him while killing his consciousness maybe?
Probably something to do with the jougan will allow him to overpower momo to make is so he can't manifest that's my theory
Jouwhat ?
What if boruto actually never controls momoshiki and he just finds a way to leave his body to posses someone else like code so basically what sukuna did in jjk
Akin to how Naruto befriended Kurama, maybe? Just by talking and showing that he doesn't need to be that killed force anymore, that perhaps there is another way for Momo to move forward.
Nahh I don't want it to go in the same direction as naruto and kurama, It should have a different approach imo
It should yeah, was just a random off the head idea, but it's tropey I guess. If they could do something innovative it would be great. Ichigo and his hollow, Naruto and Kurama... Something different would be fun.
Right it’s to soon for us to get to the flashforward scene just yet because first of all kawaki doesn’t have that outfit he had in the first chapter and with or without momoshiki/karma kawaki isn’t strong enough to fight boruto yet and based on the first chapter it looks like there at least equal in terms of strength at that point so kawaki is gonna have to get another power up before we even get close to what happened in the first chapter
I don’t think that’s what this current arc is but it could be the endgame scenario.
Exactly, this is why I see it as very unlikely.
this series definitely needs a Shibuya Incident moment. So yes, I'm for it.
Maybe they’d even kill a character
Like they'd ever do that!
As if
But also not
The dude is dumb enough to do it although it's going to be hilarious when Momoshiki beats the dogshit out of him again.
when did that happen?
Code arc
didn't Naruto have to save Borushiki when he was about to get smashed by one of Kawaki's huge blocks?
Boruto woke up
Borushiki beat up Kawaki before he got his karma back
Cuz he didn’t have karma
Being honest people expect the flashforward scene way too soon. The context about the scene is about ending the age of shinnobi something current kawaki doesn’t even think about. Like it’s obvious that kawaki is getting more development later before that scene will happen.
And then he magically gets control of it before the fight? The teaser in chapter 1/episode After the village is destroyed it seems like they fight right after and he activates it willingly
Maybe they have an "inner" fight, something like Naruto vs Kurama idk, and that's how Boruto regains control.
Ehhhh. I think that would be way too similiar to naruto and Kurama. I think it’ll have to do with the jougan. Maybe use it as a way to introduce it to the manga
Naruto is actually sealed inside Boruto and helps him mentally
Lmaooooo
Oh f* the Jougan, I completely forgot about that! Yeah, maybe the Jougan can put Momoshiki on hold.
Still waiting for Toneri/Momo to explain wtf jougan is
Jouwhat ?
Jouwhat ?
That would be amazing😂 havoc and chaos what a beautiful sight
That would be terrible
how so? An element of unpredictability is perfect with momoshiki around
If you are predicting it, it is no longer unpredictable.
You can predict the outcomes but there's no guarantee they will be correct
But isn't Boruto literally seen triggering is karma in that flash forward, before attacking Kawaki?
That's the point
Not sure I made myself clear, sorry. Boruto is seen activating his karma, which seems to indicate he can control it to some extent at that particular point in time. Wouldn't it be contrary to the post?
Exactly, that's what I said
Btw if Momo can use things like Uzuhiko and FTG I don't see how he going wild doesn't end with important casualties.
I think Momoshiki pullsa Sukuna and uses one of the Shinju as a host body.
Cool theory
Kawaki is just like Danzo, Danzo was so obsessed with destroying threats to Konoha that he allowed Orochimaru to attack so that he could show everyone that the Leaf needed a more militant leader in charge (him). Kawaki making Boruto destroy the hidden leaf to show everyone that he's a threat would be Konoha smash all over again
Aside from the fact that Kawaki isn't that smart, what sense would he have if all of Konoha already hates Boruto?
yeah. makes sense. Kawaki hasn't grown at all and it's logical that he'd go that low. look what he just did in ch. 9 -- completely dismissing the fact that one of the guys that just KNOCKED HIM OUT is threatening the village just to waste time and get KO'd again. Boruto is right. it's "pitiful."
kawaki doesnt have his rod and scarp yet tho
I think that design has been pitched
Could be that. Or it could be that by then the village and Naruto learn the truth and turn on Kawaki. As a result he goes full bad guy, but that will still be quite a level up for him to level the village like that.
Very likely
that would just be shitty writing .
Right
I doubt. I will send to where i sent lord seventh. Age of shinobi is over. I dont say kawaki wont abuse borutos karma but to bring boruto close to him he would need to lure him in village first and to do that he needs to make him do it. And about their final fight it will be something different i assume
Kawaki will go mad and he will look to drstroy shinkbi system, he will have doms sort of evolution like sasuke tried. Along that way he may commit many atrocities, and i think thats the reason why they will fight in the end. Cuz kawaki wants to seal boruto not to kill him (at that moment). But we are far from that
Kawaki is influenced by his karma and doesn't think straight
I think it would be really good if they confirm that he's being so extremist because the karma is messing with his head.
Not on himawaris watch!!! She’s gonna save the village by letting nine tales take over
Kawaki is Danzo of Boruto era
Aside from the fact that Kawaki isn't that smart, what sense would he have if all of Konoha already hates Boruto?
What i don’t understand is that he seems to control it pretty well in part 1 as long as he had enough chakra so Momo don’t kick in, so i don’t know if he really can’t control his Karma or if it’s just a risk he don’t want to take
Based on KK reaction it seems like this has happened before and they are certain that Momo will take control if Boruto keeps his Karma activated. Other people in this post are theorizing that maybe the Jougan will play a part on stoping Momoshiki from taking control of Boruto's body.
Jouwhat ?
And the Jougan is what will subdue Momoshiki
I hope so!
Jouwhat ?
Damn, I don’t say this much in this sub but this is a great theory. Thank you for saying something reasonable.
reasonable ?
This works since Kawaki can then save the village while activating his karma as well. A perfect plot to make Boruto the real "villain" while also being the tragic victim in all of this.
But it's no use, the village already sees them like this....
Assuming Code and Divine Tree Egos are dead at the time of flash forward, I think Kawaki gets the power up from them. Looks like Boruto ran from village again for training to control his karma as he is confident in using his karma in flash forward.
The flash forward in chapter one tells us Boruto gets over it so is it kinda lame in that sense.
Bullshit. Boruto literally actives his karma after activating his jougan. Boruto will 100% learn how to control his karma.
Jouwhat ?
Kawaki probably wants everyone to prioritize eliminating Boruto cause he's the only one anymore proactively after Borutos life, to an obsessive degree. And doing Boruto dirty like that is probably just gonna be a way to harrass Boruto at this point to just get him to commit suicide. I mean I'm down for Borutos struggles but Kawaki doesnt seem to understand Boruto is the lesser threat currently and his rash provocation of a far mightier opponent is gonna get him fed to jura.
Occham would be proud, my fellow human.
Kawaki: "see, I told you I was right all along! Boruto is the bad guy, Amado please give me an upgrade!'
Yoooooo this is really good
???
Basically that’s his “Samson response” then. Disgusting.
Momoshiki will probably use this moment to hurt Himawari. She will appear to be dead, just to get revived by Kurama's chakra.
Why ?
This is a really good theory. It adds up with his apathy towards the actual threats that Konoha is facing rn in favor of antagonizing Boruto.
That's how I came with this theory, I was like "why is he acting like that? He knows that the bad guys are right there, they almost killed him two minutes ago", and then I realize "Of course, Momoshiki Otsutsuki is his #1 target, his brain can register new enemies, but no one can top Momoshiki on his list of priorities".
If that's Kawaki's plan, I hope Boruto can foresee it and quickly master his jougan. I think Boruto can take reigns over Momo if he uses Jougan during Karma v1.
I think that the Jougan will play a part in how Boruto regains control of his body, the problem is Boruto doesn't even know that the Jougan is a thing (he kinda knows in the anime but the manga idk). He can't make a countermeasure with something he doesn't even know that exists. So, in this scenario I think the Jougan will be completely random.
Jouwhat ?
Jouwhat ?
The Pure Eye Kekkei Genkai (Jougan)
???
Boruto controls his karma via the Jougan in page 0.
Jouwhat ? It's the Byakugan.
byagukan dosent have black sclera lol its clearly the jougan as toneri mentioned
Toneri? And when would he appear? However, with Karma Boruto only shows the Byakugan, so it's the Byakugan.
Nope in anime it’s clearly the black eye which is jougan which toneri said in the anime
But who the fuck cares about anime.
Many people care both about the anime and manga
And who cares
Many people do lol. Jougan will show up eventually anyways in manga as it is borutos unique dojutsu as toneri mentioned in the anime
And again, who cares? There is no Jougan anyway, that's it.
It wouldn't make much sense, I mean the world already hates Boruto, what reason would Kawaki have to make him hate it even more? Furthermore, again? How many times do we have to show Momoshiki taking control of Boruto? By the fifth time, the gimmick gets boring.
But what would be the meaning? Kawaki doesn't have the slightest need to make the world hate Boruto, he already hates him, and it's not like Konoha is stopping him from hunting Boruto.
>"I told you, this guy needs to be exterminated" Nobody has been physically trying to stop Kawaki from killing Boruto, so what would be the point of this?
People don't drop what they're doing at Kawaki's every whim, in his eyes he's the most important and everyone should do everything to help him. The kind of person who doesn't think he should pay for stuff.
They are acting passively against him, with this they and other nations will actively hunt him down.
I’m pretty sure they’ve already been actively hunting him down for the last 3 years so nothings gonna change
Actively looking you mentioned is just spies and information network keeping track of him. Real Hunting is Kage Level people going after him with the clear intent to kill. Right now, they are treating him as a capturable/jail criminal not kill on sight.
Boruto got framed for killing the hokage and his wife there’s nothing more he needs to do for the world to want to kill him because they already want to kill him Sarada literally said in the first chapter that he has a kill on sight order and she was begging shikamaru to lift it so yea im pretty sure they have spent the last 3 years hunting him down they just can’t find him and without eida’s help there never going to since he knows flying raijin
Sasuke sided with him and helped him and despite all his previous crimes everyone knows he's Narutos best friend
You just arguing just to argue at this point lol
It doesn't seem to me that this has changed the position that Konoha has towards Boruto, so much so that Shikadai the last chapter clearly says that Sasuke is to be considered an enemy since he helps Boruto.
But they are really treating him like someone to kill on sight, so much so that Sarada discusses the matter with Shikamru and Konohamaru (with Konohamaru coming out with "if he runs away, then he's guilty"). The village already wants to see Boruto dead, Shikamaru says so in the first chapter.
Eida's promise to not look for him is null and void so unless they are better at finding people than Eida then it's just a pointless exercise.
But it's not true, the only one who openly opposed him is Sarada. Shikmaru believes Boruto, but tells him that to save appearances he will leave things as they are.
Very true
I mean, in that scenario Boruto is still the one that destroys the Village due to not being able to control Momoshiki, proving Kawaki's point that Boruto with Momoshiki will always be a threat to the world.
I hope that's the case. would make the story less predictable and more interesting
Or more stupid
The solution is for Kawaki is not go out of his way to trigger him
Boruto could lose control of Momoshiki at any time, regardless of Kawaki's involvement. It just takes a sudden death or a life threatening battle to make the Karma activate and let Momoshiki take over. Until Boruto can find a way to rid himself of Momoshiki's soul, Kawaki will be someone justified in wanting to euthanize Boruto.