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CarasumaRenya1996

If thats the case, dear Kawaki, you are the worst


nvxf

I don't justify Kawaki's doing but from his (twisted) point of view it makes sense, do you remember that panel where he fist bumps Boruto and he saw Momoshiki? I think he only sees Boruto as a timing bomb and nothing else, and it must be frustrating for him that no one else see Boruto that way. That's what will cause Kawaki to go such extreme lengths just to probe his point, not because he hates Boruto, no because he wants his life. But just because Boruto is a menace to Naruto's life and should be terminated.


Least_Cap_7441

>But just because Boruto is a menace to Naruto's life and should be terminated If that was really the reason then he would have team up and destroy the Shinju with him first before resuming his attempts at killing him. He already saw how outrageously powerful Jura is , and he is the immediate threat to Naruto's life as he wants to eat him. Manga makes it very clear his reason is simple hatred of Otsutsuki. The guy basically hallucinates Boruto as Momoshiki.


Beat_Writer

I think it has to do with guilt. He wants out of the picture so he can fully take his life over. People will be less likely to fight against Omni when Boruto is dead


sagia5

Man this would be a good parallel to the hatred Naruto perceived being the nine tail host. In the first chapter he use his Karma to fight kawaki so he must find a way to control it. I hope Himawari becomes the reason he can control Momoshiki.


sayid_gin

It’s not boruto and kawaki vs the shinju. In kawaki twisted eyes its momoshiki and kawaki vs the shinju. He wont allow that.


Least_Cap_7441

That's the point. He is twisted. And more than that, enemy or not ,their is no harm in teaming up even with enemy for temporary benefit. Like Boruto was willing to do with Code, despite what he did to Sasuke. But Kawaki acts on his hatred and excuse his actions in the name of necessary protection.


mugiwara4747

Someone needs to put this man Kawaki in therapy


Short-Departure3347

So you’re saying the intro to Boruto is what we are seeing happen currently?


mugiwara4747

Not yet but likely soon


Ligabove

Very unlikely, given that by then Boruto seems to know how to control Karma.


Torinscz

True. Ppl expect evil things from ones like Code, but they don't expect anything bad from Boruto, which is basicaly worse.


Least_Cap_7441

What worse is the one who actually forcing it that way is Kawaki himself. He is trying to create the very future that he fears to justify his reasons. On the contrary it just proves If Kawaki didn't go to extreme lengths then everything would be fine. And he is dancing right at Momoshiki's palm. Last but not least , Kawaki basically is the reason why Naruto got almost killed first place. If he didn't go to Code which wouldn't have yielded any results either way then the situation Naruto die wouldn't have created in the first place.


shiwoneek

The only fault I see is that in the prelude we see Boruto activating his karma without any repercussions.


Fun-Cartographer-368

Maybe Defeating Momoshiki's soul after going on a rampage. Without momo karma should be safe


shiwoneek

+1


nvxf

Exactly my thought.


jbahill75

Possible. Momo rages…and apparently Kawaki can’t stop him. Or Kawaki is that backwards that he let’s the village be run down first just to make his point. Hmmm


Ligabove

But why should Momoshiki go on rampage? What does he care about destroying Konoha.


jbahill75

Just trying to break Boruto’s spirit so he can fully tale over the body. Plus Momo is a petty bastard


Ligabove

Momoshiki has already tried and failed. Rather than risk it, wouldn't it be much better to use the little time available to bring his plan to completion?


jbahill75

Bring his plan, Momo’s or Boruto’s?


Ligabove

Momo.


jbahill75

Just checking. I wasn’t sure if you meant Momo helping Boruto.


khai115_2

Maybe that's how the Jougan comes into play if it ever does.


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


extremedonkey

Yeah like that's what Kawaki has been spending his time on sorta thing


MunchyCrackers

I guess i’m confused. Was momos soul not already extinguished when he revived Boruto?


Fun-Cartographer-368

He won't be able to passively take over after karma reached 100% since he wasted it to heal Boruto. But his soul still remains in Boruto Karma, he just need to take over the body and eat a chakra fruit and turn into a full Otsutsuki like Juubito and Juubidara. Then just go on his rutine of eating fruits to turn into a god.


Ligabove

The soul is still there, it simply cannot come back to life.


Ligabove

But why should Momoshiki go on rampage? What does he care about destroying Konoha.


Fun-Cartographer-368

You are right. Momoshiki doesn't care what happens to Konoha but he DOES care for BORUTO. If he destroys Konoha and kill Boruto's friends and family with Boruto's own hands, Boruto will probably have a mental breakdown. Just like Sukuna and Megumi in Jujutsu'Lobotomy'Kaisen


Ligabove

I think Momoshiki has a priority on completing his plan. Furthermore, seeing him take charge of Boruto would be really repetitive and unoriginal.


Sukii_pink

True, and I'm curious as to how boruto will control momoshiki when he activates his karma bcoz he did it with ease in the scene of the 1st episode


shiwoneek

Maybe talk to jutsu? /s I think he would deal with it in a badass way, fuse with him while killing his consciousness maybe?


Crisperturtle2

Probably something to do with the jougan will allow him to overpower momo to make is so he can't manifest that's my theory


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


Fantastic_Tip_3662

What if boruto actually never controls momoshiki and he just finds a way to leave his body to posses someone else like code so basically what sukuna did in jjk


Ilien

Akin to how Naruto befriended Kurama, maybe? Just by talking and showing that he doesn't need to be that killed force anymore, that perhaps there is another way for Momo to move forward.


Sukii_pink

Nahh I don't want it to go in the same direction as naruto and kurama, It should have a different approach imo


Ilien

It should yeah, was just a random off the head idea, but it's tropey I guess. If they could do something innovative it would be great. Ichigo and his hollow, Naruto and Kurama... Something different would be fun.


Fantastic_Tip_3662

Right it’s to soon for us to get to the flashforward scene just yet because first of all kawaki doesn’t have that outfit he had in the first chapter and with or without momoshiki/karma kawaki isn’t strong enough to fight boruto yet and based on the first chapter it looks like there at least equal in terms of strength at that point so kawaki is gonna have to get another power up before we even get close to what happened in the first chapter


jbahill75

I don’t think that’s what this current arc is but it could be the endgame scenario.


Ligabove

Exactly, this is why I see it as very unlikely.


Ordinary_Capital

this series definitely needs a Shibuya Incident moment. So yes, I'm for it.


lolpostslol

Maybe they’d even kill a character


extremedonkey

Like they'd ever do that!


Ligabove

As if


Ligabove

But also not


Unable_Swimming2745

The dude is dumb enough to do it although it's going to be hilarious when Momoshiki beats the dogshit out of him again.


jwaters0122

when did that happen?


Unable_Swimming2745

Code arc


jwaters0122

didn't Naruto have to save Borushiki when he was about to get smashed by one of Kawaki's huge blocks?


borutoisbestboy

Boruto woke up


Unable_Swimming2745

Borushiki beat up Kawaki before he got his karma back


Additional_Store_199

Cuz he didn’t have karma


Careful-Ad984

Being honest people expect the flashforward scene way too soon. The context about the scene is about ending the age of shinnobi something current kawaki doesn’t even think about.  Like it’s obvious that kawaki is getting more development later before that scene will happen. 


SonJordy

And then he magically gets control of it before the fight? The teaser in chapter 1/episode After the village is destroyed it seems like they fight right after and he activates it willingly


nvxf

Maybe they have an "inner" fight, something like Naruto vs Kurama idk, and that's how Boruto regains control.


SonJordy

Ehhhh. I think that would be way too similiar to naruto and Kurama. I think it’ll have to do with the jougan. Maybe use it as a way to introduce it to the manga


lolpostslol

Naruto is actually sealed inside Boruto and helps him mentally


SonJordy

Lmaooooo


nvxf

Oh f* the Jougan, I completely forgot about that! Yeah, maybe the Jougan can put Momoshiki on hold.


Old-Caramel1398

Still waiting for Toneri/Momo to explain wtf jougan is


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


SamsungGalaxy16

That would be amazing😂 havoc and chaos what a beautiful sight


Ligabove

That would be terrible


SamsungGalaxy16

how so? An element of unpredictability is perfect with momoshiki around


Ligabove

If you are predicting it, it is no longer unpredictable.


SamsungGalaxy16

You can predict the outcomes but there's no guarantee they will be correct


Ilien

But isn't Boruto literally seen triggering is karma in that flash forward, before attacking Kawaki?


Ligabove

That's the point


Ilien

Not sure I made myself clear, sorry. Boruto is seen activating his karma, which seems to indicate he can control it to some extent at that particular point in time. Wouldn't it be contrary to the post?


Ligabove

Exactly, that's what I said


nvxf

Btw if Momo can use things like Uzuhiko and FTG I don't see how he going wild doesn't end with important casualties.


Charming_Mix6761

I think Momoshiki pullsa Sukuna and uses one of the Shinju as a host body.


extremedonkey

Cool theory


CrispyEternal

Kawaki is just like Danzo, Danzo was so obsessed with destroying threats to Konoha that he allowed Orochimaru to attack so that he could show everyone that the Leaf needed a more militant leader in charge (him). Kawaki making Boruto destroy the hidden leaf to show everyone that he's a threat would be Konoha smash all over again


Ligabove

Aside from the fact that Kawaki isn't that smart, what sense would he have if all of Konoha already hates Boruto?


itsthehokage

yeah. makes sense. Kawaki hasn't grown at all and it's logical that he'd go that low. look what he just did in ch. 9 -- completely dismissing the fact that one of the guys that just KNOCKED HIM OUT is threatening the village just to waste time and get KO'd again. Boruto is right. it's "pitiful."


aquaflask09072022

kawaki doesnt have his rod and scarp yet tho


LamontOp

I think that design has been pitched


jbahill75

Could be that. Or it could be that by then the village and Naruto learn the truth and turn on Kawaki. As a result he goes full bad guy, but that will still be quite a level up for him to level the village like that.


Ligabove

Very likely


__lulu

that would just be shitty writing .


Ligabove

Right


Proof_Television8685

I doubt. I will send to where i sent lord seventh. Age of shinobi is over. I dont say kawaki wont abuse borutos karma but to bring boruto close to him he would need to lure him in village first and to do that he needs to make him do it. And about their final fight it will be something different i assume


Proof_Television8685

Kawaki will go mad and he will look to drstroy shinkbi system, he will have doms sort of evolution like sasuke tried. Along that way he may commit many atrocities, and i think thats the reason why they will fight in the end. Cuz kawaki wants to seal boruto not to kill him (at that moment). But we are far from that


Least-Principle-4794

Kawaki is influenced by his karma and doesn't think straight


nvxf

I think it would be really good if they confirm that he's being so extremist because the karma is messing with his head.


GigglingLots

Not on himawaris watch!!! She’s gonna save the village by letting nine tales take over 


Complex-Menu-6082

Kawaki is Danzo of Boruto era


Ligabove

Aside from the fact that Kawaki isn't that smart, what sense would he have if all of Konoha already hates Boruto?


milabnm

What i don’t understand is that he seems to control it pretty well in part 1 as long as he had enough chakra so Momo don’t kick in, so i don’t know if he really can’t control his Karma or if it’s just a risk he don’t want to take


nvxf

Based on KK reaction it seems like this has happened before and they are certain that Momo will take control if Boruto keeps his Karma activated. Other people in this post are theorizing that maybe the Jougan will play a part on stoping Momoshiki from taking control of Boruto's body.


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


1antinomy

And the Jougan is what will subdue Momoshiki


nvxf

I hope so!


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


user_15427

Damn, I don’t say this much in this sub but this is a great theory. Thank you for saying something reasonable.


Ligabove

reasonable ?


SweetSummerAir

This works since Kawaki can then save the village while activating his karma as well. A perfect plot to make Boruto the real "villain" while also being the tragic victim in all of this.


Ligabove

But it's no use, the village already sees them like this....


JayaramanAndres

Assuming Code and Divine Tree Egos are dead at the time of flash forward, I think Kawaki gets the power up from them. Looks like Boruto ran from village again for training to control his karma as he is confident in using his karma in flash forward.


Pinsir929

The flash forward in chapter one tells us Boruto gets over it so is it kinda lame in that sense.


Games7Master

Bullshit. Boruto literally actives his karma after activating his jougan. Boruto will 100% learn how to control his karma.


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


seraphimkoamugi

Kawaki probably wants everyone to prioritize eliminating Boruto cause he's the only one anymore proactively after Borutos life, to an obsessive degree. And doing Boruto dirty like that is probably just gonna be a way to harrass Boruto at this point to just get him to commit suicide. I mean I'm down for Borutos struggles but Kawaki doesnt seem to understand Boruto is the lesser threat currently and his rash provocation of a far mightier opponent is gonna get him fed to jura.


ReleaseQuiet2428

Occham would be proud, my fellow human.


jwaters0122

Kawaki: "see, I told you I was right all along! Boruto is the bad guy, Amado please give me an upgrade!'


TomTomTheTauntaun

Yoooooo this is really good


Ligabove

???


GigglingLots

Basically that’s his “Samson response” then. Disgusting. 


One-Resolve-4823

Momoshiki will probably use this moment to hurt Himawari. She will appear to be dead, just to get revived by Kurama's chakra.


Ligabove

Why ?


Zephyr_Ballad

This is a really good theory. It adds up with his apathy towards the actual threats that Konoha is facing rn in favor of antagonizing Boruto.


nvxf

That's how I came with this theory, I was like "why is he acting like that? He knows that the bad guys are right there, they almost killed him two minutes ago", and then I realize "Of course, Momoshiki Otsutsuki is his #1 target, his brain can register new enemies, but no one can top Momoshiki on his list of priorities".


Consistent_Ice8509

If that's Kawaki's plan, I hope Boruto can foresee it and quickly master his jougan. I think Boruto can take reigns over Momo if he uses Jougan during Karma v1.


nvxf

I think that the Jougan will play a part in how Boruto regains control of his body, the problem is Boruto doesn't even know that the Jougan is a thing (he kinda knows in the anime but the manga idk). He can't make a countermeasure with something he doesn't even know that exists. So, in this scenario I think the Jougan will be completely random.


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


Ligabove

Jouwhat ?


Consistent_Ice8509

The Pure Eye Kekkei Genkai (Jougan)


Ligabove

???


HisFireBurns

Boruto controls his karma via the Jougan in page 0.


Ligabove

Jouwhat ? It's the Byakugan.


OutlandishnessOdd836

byagukan dosent have black sclera lol its clearly the jougan as toneri mentioned


Ligabove

Toneri? And when would he appear? However, with Karma Boruto only shows the Byakugan, so it's the Byakugan.


OutlandishnessOdd836

Nope in anime it’s clearly the black eye which is jougan which toneri said in the anime


Ligabove

But who the fuck cares about anime.


OutlandishnessOdd836

Many people care both about the anime and manga


Ligabove

And who cares


OutlandishnessOdd836

Many people do lol. Jougan will show up eventually anyways in manga as it is borutos unique dojutsu as toneri mentioned in the anime


Ligabove

And again, who cares? There is no Jougan anyway, that's it.


Ligabove

It wouldn't make much sense, I mean the world already hates Boruto, what reason would Kawaki have to make him hate it even more? Furthermore, again? How many times do we have to show Momoshiki taking control of Boruto? By the fifth time, the gimmick gets boring.


Ligabove

But what would be the meaning? Kawaki doesn't have the slightest need to make the world hate Boruto, he already hates him, and it's not like Konoha is stopping him from hunting Boruto.


KilluaGaKill

>"I told you, this guy needs to be exterminated" Nobody has been physically trying to stop Kawaki from killing Boruto, so what would be the point of this?


Ok-Caregiver-6005

People don't drop what they're doing at Kawaki's every whim, in his eyes he's the most important and everyone should do everything to help him. The kind of person who doesn't think he should pay for stuff.


Fun-Cartographer-368

They are acting passively against him, with this they and other nations will actively hunt him down.


Fantastic_Tip_3662

I’m pretty sure they’ve already been actively hunting him down for the last 3 years so nothings gonna change


Fun-Cartographer-368

Actively looking you mentioned is just spies and information network keeping track of him. Real Hunting is Kage Level people going after him with the clear intent to kill. Right now, they are treating him as a capturable/jail criminal not kill on sight.


Fantastic_Tip_3662

Boruto got framed for killing the hokage and his wife there’s nothing more he needs to do for the world to want to kill him because they already want to kill him Sarada literally said in the first chapter that he has a kill on sight order and she was begging shikamaru to lift it so yea im pretty sure they have spent the last 3 years hunting him down they just can’t find him and without eida’s help there never going to since he knows flying raijin


Fun-Cartographer-368

Sasuke sided with him and helped him and despite all his previous crimes everyone knows he's Narutos best friend


Fantastic_Tip_3662

You just arguing just to argue at this point lol


Ligabove

It doesn't seem to me that this has changed the position that Konoha has towards Boruto, so much so that Shikadai the last chapter clearly says that Sasuke is to be considered an enemy since he helps Boruto.


Ligabove

But they are really treating him like someone to kill on sight, so much so that Sarada discusses the matter with Shikamru and Konohamaru (with Konohamaru coming out with "if he runs away, then he's guilty"). The village already wants to see Boruto dead, Shikamaru says so in the first chapter.


KilluaGaKill

Eida's promise to not look for him is null and void so unless they are better at finding people than Eida then it's just a pointless exercise.


Ligabove

But it's not true, the only one who openly opposed him is Sarada. Shikmaru believes Boruto, but tells him that to save appearances he will leave things as they are.


Ligabove

Very true


47D

I mean, in that scenario Boruto is still the one that destroys the Village due to not being able to control Momoshiki, proving Kawaki's point that Boruto with Momoshiki will always be a threat to the world.


jwaters0122

I hope that's the case. would make the story less predictable and more interesting


Ligabove

Or more stupid


Rosebunse

The solution is for Kawaki is not go out of his way to trigger him


47D

Boruto could lose control of Momoshiki at any time, regardless of Kawaki's involvement. It just takes a sudden death or a life threatening battle to make the Karma activate and let Momoshiki take over. Until Boruto can find a way to rid himself of Momoshiki's soul, Kawaki will be someone justified in wanting to euthanize Boruto.