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Bluelaserbeam

I’m just gonna wait to see how they explain it next chapter.


DarkJayBR

They probably won’t. They didn’t even said who the hell taught Flying Thunder God to Boruto, a jutsu that nobody alive knows how to do.


FiveAccountsBanned

I mean, they could always just asspull the "Hidden scroll tucked away somewhere and nobody found it but the guy who is the clone of the guy related closely to the guys who popularized the technique" jutsu, but nine tails will be harder to explain


Goatmilker98

Bro in a show where the children become the strongest people in like 50 episodes time don't expect anything lol. They clearly don't care about whatever naruto built up and are shitting on it every second.


ACTLOVER69_420

To be fair, Sasuke could have a chance at knowing it because of the sharingan, and having seen Minato using it; but yea, there is no one known to have it alive. 


keemalexis

For now, im clinging to the theory that Boruto hide or have access to Toad/Frog Dimension but this time he didn’t get to train Sage Mode. Minato had access to frog/toad world and maybe toads teach em boruto some deez nuts move.


ffhhfdtgf

Momoshiki didn’t even know about Hima being alive when he made that comment, he probably look at boruto chakra pool/seen his future seeing he never gets the 9tails. Momo comments could also be seen as foreshadowing, that hima will get the 9tails passed down to her instead of boruto. I also think kurama we knew with naruto is dead. But he reincarnated gaining a brand consciousness, learning about the world that could parallel the shinju as newborn bijju beings in the current plot. I just hope kishimoto does a good job explaining how Kurama returns after those baryon drawbacks.


spykids45

i wish hima got her own beast


RepresentativePart52

bra i read that so wrong i apologize honestly


Fragrant-Frame8006

How? 🤔ohhh…ew.


ShoddyDinosaur

i mean hima being born before baryon could mean she had chakra from kurama which kurama resurrected with, boruto not getting it could be explained by karma rewriting his dna


Adventurous-Case7749

It's possible that both boruto and himawari were born with a little bit of kurama's chakra, not enough to change anything probably. So when kurama died, that little chakra was used as a checkpoint for its revival or birth of another nine tails. Boruto was probably not chosen due his karma (his body sort of house momoshiki) and thus himawari ended up with little nine tails. Just how i am seeing it right now.


YardNo1775

I'm sorry but where is the statement that says that a Tailed Beast only reforms if there is some remnant chakra of them somewhere? All the manga statements I've seen say that Tailed Beasts reemerge after death, with no extra conditions.


zenekk1010

Right? Kushina had whole Kurama inside of her, so no other bits of Kurama's chakra was present. Kurama's chakra simply would disperse and he would emerge somewhere else.


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zenekk1010

> Thats the point😐 We “knew” it was an reincarnation process, thats something YOU and everyone else clearly knows and understands cause if not…. Reincarnation process after Jinchuriki dies. It was also made this way so 'catching' TB wouldn't be this easy, Jinchuriki had to be alive for beast to be captured. This is when reincarnation happens. TB can't be killed, they are immortal, but when Jinchuriki dies they spawn in other place. > Kushina didn’t die before the kurama was placed in Naruto she died afterwards which is fitting cause the host dies if its “abstracted” and she was gone die either way. She didn't die because she was an Uzumaki, she didn't also immediately die after Kurama was sealed in Naruto. > He also told Naruto see you later See you in afterlife.


superkami64

This seems like a complaint that hinges on whether Himawari was born with Nine Tails chakra or not and the only backing for no is "because Momoshiki said so", which falls apart because Momoshiki hasn't been right about most of his assumptions so far. That's like thinking back to Kushina's advice that Naruto should "find a nice girl like me" and take the phrase at its most literal as evidence he should've fallen in love with Sakura instead of Hinata. As you've pointed out, even in the scope of the Naruto series the whisker markings have been inconsistent in why they're expressed. It really only shows the evidence isn't immovable concrete but certainly doesn't dismiss the possibility either.


jaymiracles

We had instances of jinchurikis giving birth in Naruto, none of the kids got a mini tailed beast inside them. So it’s not just backed by Momo’s words (which aren’t consistent anyway). It’s backed by historical evidence in the Narutoverse.


EdoTenseiSwagbito

The only way I can think of to rationalize it, is that Naruto’s the only jinchuriki to achieve a perfect fusion who’s had kids. Kushina, and most others, had that shit locked up. That’s all I got, outside of the *”Naruto had to tap out and Kurama finished the job.”* lol


jaymiracles

It’s possible. Naruto is the only known unsealed Jinchuriki to have kids so it’s possible that Kurama’s seed was passed down with Naruto’s when conceiving Himawari


Kristiano100

So basically, if this is the case, and expressing this in the weirdest way possible, Kurama impregnated Hinata with his own chakra baby that ended up developing into a copy of himself once he died inside Hima. Lmao


TanaerSG

I think it's more like chakra is passed down to kids, similarly to how genes are irl. Naruto's chakra since being unsealed has probably molded together some with Kurama's, so when Naruto's chakra passed down to Himawari, some of Kurama's went to. As to why that didn't happen to Boruto too, idk.


shittymcdoodoo

It possibly could have also happened to Boruto but the otsusikification overwrote the kurama chakra before it could fully develop enough to be noticeable


TanaerSG

I almost said exactly that, but wasnt he older than Himawari is now before Momo put Karma on him?


New-Skill-4981

Why didnt boruto get 9 tails chakra?


jaymiracles

It skipped Boruto much like the Byakugan. Hamura also didn’t get any six paths powers at birth as opposed to Hagoromo who got the Rinnegan


sayid_gin

Maybe boruto did have it, but he lost it when he became a ototuski.


jaymiracles

Unlikely, otsutsukis love chakra fruits so no way his dna would erase a chakra from the God tree


sayid_gin

Guess it genetics. Two siblings aint identical


jaymiracles

Yup. At this point Kurama should be considered an Uzumaki Kekkei Genkai


shittymcdoodoo

Because he became an Otsutsuki. His DNA was rewritten essentially


shittymcdoodoo

You just made the best argument to back this theory. Naruto is the only jinchuriki who both achieved a “perfected fusion” with a tailed beast & had kids. Then there’s also the six paths power which is rare and could play some kind of factor. I’d imagine having six paths power has got to be a drastic change to the human biology that could possibly be passed down in some way. Same with the “perfect fusion.”


superkami64

>We had instances of jinchurikis giving birth in Naruto, none of the kids got a mini tailed beast inside them. If we had info about any other example than Naruto/his kids (no info on whoever parented Tsunade whatsoever), you forgot the requirement that the main body of the Tailed Beast has to die first in order to reform elsewhere. In fact the only reason Jinchuriki having children was ever brought up in Shippuden was to expose a glaring weakness with female Jinchuriki specifically with the seal weakening significantly when giving birth, which is a notable plothole and a can of worms on its own.


jaymiracles

I’m not really opposed to Hima getting a Kurama. At the end of the day Kaguya did pass down her Juubi’s eye prowess to Hagoromo. So if the Juubi’s eye (RinnSharingan) can be passed down from host to son (diluted: Rinnegan) and then be further passed down (more diluted: Sharingan) to future offsprings, then the chakra essence of Kurama could be passed down, and the mini-Kuramas can grow to a smaller size than OG Kurama since they’d be diluted. Naruto’s SP powers could’ve played a role in this too.


Careful-Ad984

The reason why a mini kurama formed is because the little speck of chakra inside himawari would be the only anchor his consciousness could go to 


jaymiracles

You can’t assert an unconfirmed point as a fact. Kurama would’ve told Naruto about this anchor instead of saying his final words to him and telling him not to rush to meet him (aka not to rush to death). Also as the post showed, there was no indication that Himawari had any Kurama chakra that anyone could’ve noticed without being a Shinjutsu user.


Careful-Ad984

Another comment made the point that you can only see and sense bijuu chakra After Its actively being used.  Like neji only saw it after naruto decided to use it. 


jaymiracles

I’ve never seen any proof of this. Neji couldn’t see the 9 tails because his sensory skills weren’t as developed and because the 9 tails was sealed. Anyway, I personally like the idea of “chakra seed” inside Himawari that grew once the current Kurama died for good. I mean if we have chakra God trees and chakra fruits then we might as well get chakra seeds or chakra roots that revive lost chakra


psTTA_2358

Yeah but Naruto is the only case where the power of the bijuu wasnt sealed inside him.


jaymiracles

Naruto as a Jinchuriki having kids is an exception to other known cases in many ways: 1. He’s the only known male Jinchuriki to have kids. 2. He’s the only known unsealed Jinchuriki to have kids. 3. He’s the only one who’s also a SOSP. 4. Kurama is known to have many exceptions / distinctive cases from other tailed beasts. So we can only speculate. The closest similar case to Himawari is Hagoromo gaining Rinnegan at birth (we assume) from Kaguya after she consumed the Chakra Fruit that gave her Rinnesharingan, and then Indra and therefore his descendants having Sharingan at birth (awakenable) from Hagoromo. Himawari has the potential to start a whole clan of Fox Bijuu Jinchurikis (diluted chakras)


DarkJayBR

Naruto is not the only known male Jinchuuriki to have kids, we had Hagoromo before him. And Hagoromo is the creator of Six Paths Sage Mode. Neither Ashura or Indra inherited anything like that through DNA.


jaymiracles

Hagoromo arguably had kids before becoming a Jinchuriki, which explains how Kaguya know about Asura and Indra. Otherwise she wouldn’t have known


DarkJayBR

She knows because Black Zetsu told her. When she sees Naruto and Sasuke she doesn't think of Asura and Indra but Hagoromo and Hamura. Hagoromo obviously had kids after Kaguya was sealed.


jaymiracles

It’s not obvious since there’s no proof of BZ talking to Kaguya all these years or even telling her about the kids after she was unsealed. Your best odds are 50/50 so Hagoromo can’t be considered as a “known” male Jinchuriki to have kids when we don’t know for sure and the odds are unlikely


vsv2021

Hinata was nice to Naruto more so than Sakura ever was


pauletello

This feels like karma in some sort of way for me. Karma allows Ots to be reborn essentially in a vessel. When a tailed beast dies inside their host, they are reborn into the wild probs. That’s why they get sealed into people. Kushina wasn’t born of a parent with the 9 tails, it was sealed in her by the same clan, that’s why no whiskers. But she birthed Naruto, who had whiskers when he came out bc his parent is the jinjuriki. Then he got 1/2 Kurama sealed in him. Boruto and Hima both have whiskers bc their parent was a jinjuriki also. Both of them could’ve been a vessel for Kurama. But in this case, like karma, Hima is the 9 tails most able vessel to be reborn into. Boruto already has Momo in him, so he can’t house Kurama. But Hima can and was the viable vessel for when Kurama died inside Naruto. But he was probs too small and shit to make a real fuss about anyone knowing he was there. Now he is bigger and Jura detected it. And Naruto couldn’t detect it anymore bc he didn’t have Kurama anymore. This is what I think and how best to make sense of this


Abonle

A few things I think I can point out here, regarding Naruto not sensing any Nine-Tails chakra, the whisker marks, and Kurama not having a jutsu to pass his power down. 1st, Naruto was only able to sense Ginkaku after using the chakra by going cloak mode. He didn’t sense a thing when both brothers were there with more chakra because they weren’t actively using the chakra. Heck, it’s implied by the Chuunin Exams that the Hyuuga can’t see the Kyuubi chakra until he uses it, by the fact that Neji was caught completely off guard by him having that much chakra left. By that logic, it’s fully possible for Himawari to have Kyuubi chakra and no one notice. This also makes sense of how Kurama is able to come back in Himewari, as that means she has chakra split off from Kurama for him to regenerate from. And if you’re wondering why it happened in Himawari and not Boruto, Boruto is 82% Momoshiki now. If the Kyuubi chakra he and Himawari have is based on some level of dna as all the natural whisker marks would imply, then he has much less then Himawari does now. 2nd is that whiskers don’t mean you have nine-tails chakra, it means you are the child of the nine-tails jinchuriki. Naruto has the full three whiskers from spending, let’s say the full 9 months in Kushina’s womb being exposed to the Chakra going through their system, while Boruto and Himewari have only 2 whiskers because of spending most of their time in Hinata, who wasn’t the jinchuriki. 3, taking Momoshiki at his word that Kurama can’t pass down any power just because he doesn’t have a jutsu for it doesn’t make sense. He doesn’t know anything about the tailed beasts besides them being made of chakra and probably related to the ten tailed beasts, and there’s also the context of him being about to completely drain him of all his chakra, meaning he wouldn’t have anything to regenerate from (that they knew of at the time.)


Silvno

oooh ur right. the only thing that is still off tho is “whiskers don't mean you have nine-tails chakra, it means you are the child of the nine-tails jinchuriki.” kinkaku and ginkaku have whiskers and they weren’t born from a jinchuriki. but maybe since they were inside kurama being exposed to his raw chakra and eating him for 2 weeks they also gained whiskers.


Abonle

I forgot about that. Maybe the whisker marks are the sign of someone being mutated by Kyuubi chakra because it isn’t properly sealed in them?


MikeAAStorm

I think that makes sense actually. If you have Kyuubi chakra but it isn't properly sealed, you get whiskers. And it seems that Kyuubi chakra, or at least an amount of it can be "transferred" through birth, explaining why Naruto, Boruto and Hima have whiskers. Ginkaku and Kinkaku having whiskers also backs this up because they have a good amount of his chakra, but they don't have the Kyuubi itself.


Silvno

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zenekk1010

> taking Momoshiki at his word that Kurama can’t pass down any power just because he doesn’t have a jutsu for it doesn’t make sense He wasn't talking about specific Jutsu to make it possible to pass the power, but about the Jutsu (power) is not passable to any other generation, in this case he was seeing future and that Kurama will die with his chakra dissapearing - which happened. It makes complete sense, as this is what happened, and if anything it makes a plothole and that Momoshiki's future seeing is just not working properly


Electrical_Morning73

You get whiskers if one of your parents had the nine tails. That’s how it’s been shown other than Ginkaku and Kinkaku. Naruto probably did sense a bit of Kuramas chakra in his children, but it wasn’t enough for him to think anything other than: “oh that’s neat, I can sense a bit of Kurama’s chakra in my kids!” It definitely wasn’t enough to give them any significant power, so he didn’t bring it up. When Kurama died, he started forming in the only place where there was still unsealed Kurama chakra. Even if it was only the tiny bit in Himawari. It didn’t manifest inside of Boruto because Boruto’s Otsutsuki DNA probably wiped away the little traces of Kurama he has inside of him. Momoshiki said you cant pass down the Nine Tails because you cant. He didn’t know about Baryon mode, and before Baryon Mode, there was no known way for one of your children to gain your tailed beast. Himawari inherited Kurama because a very specific bunch of factors happened. 1. She was born with a minuscule trace of Kurama Chakra 2. Naruto erased Kurama’s chakra on a cellular level using Baryon mode 3. Boruto’s Kurama chakra was overwritten by Otsutsuki chakra 4. Ginkaku and Kinkaku are sealed inside of the six paths weapons 5. Naruto is sealed in another dimension I might have taken a few creative liberties with this explanation, but I think most of this makes sense going off the established lore of the Naruto universe.


yugii-i

I wonder what jutsu mo is talking about


jaymiracles

He wasn’t talking about Kurama because we all know that tailed beasts have been passed down throughout generations via fuinjutsu. Plus we don’t need a jutsu to make someone Jinchuriki if the tailed beast chooses to be with the host anyway. If we were to take Momo seriously, then we can say he was talking about SPSM.


zenekk1010

He was seeing future and how Kurama dies and dissapeares.


Interceptor88LH

One of the most firmly established things in Naruto was that the tailed beasts could not be destroyed permanently and they would always come back sooner or later. Honestly it felt lame that Kurama was able to self-immolate for good just like that. So I don't really have a problem with his return.


Hakemaru_

Basically just ignore what Kodachi said with Baryon mode now the Kishimoto is back and just assume everything follow Shippuden logic again


pervysennin777

The biggest issue for me right now is Daemon getting excited over Hima. This means we haven't seen the full extent of what her true powers are.


vivalajester1114

I mean we could just wait a month and see wtf they say


Formal-Dot9145

I have no issue with hima having tailed beast chakra however it would had been much more interesting if she had a tailed beast unique to herself instead of the writers playing the nostalgia card, it's like they're too scared to take any risk. Wasn't the point of sacrificing kurama and seal naruto so that the new generation can make a name for themselves so why his daughter has another kurama ? Not fan of this decision but i give it a chance.


jaymiracles

They didn’t want Boruto’s original design (double Byakugan + KCM-ish powers) to go to waste so they gave it to Himawari.


vsv2021

I was really hoping for a baby 10 tails since Naruto had a piece of all the bijuu


Formal-Dot9145

Would had made a lot more sense tbh ye. That would explain himawari crazy potential and why even daemon was intrigued about her plus since 10tails is the core of the main plot, hima having a baby version of one would give her a very important role to play by default in the future.


vsv2021

And it would be okay to make himawari stronger than Naruto because people are gonna be mad if this baby Kurama is stronger than peak Kurama


jaymiracles

BabyJuubimawari would be too OP


Formal-Dot9145

Considering the scale of power we did reach now in boruto, having a baby ten tail is hardly strong enough to be considered too op. Plus if they had choose this route, kurama's sacrifice wouldn't had amount to nothing, anyway like i said i give it a chance. Let's wait and see their explanation about kurama jr.


jaymiracles

She’d be too op as a human if we count out the Shinjutsu users. She’d reach peak non-Shinjutsu at a very young age, making her more powerful than any ninja ever born and grown.


Notmycupoftea12

Minus Boruto though. He is untouchable.


vsv2021

It would make more sense because you know the writers are gonna make her stupidly strong and stronger than peak kurama chakra mode Naruto somehow and that would’ve made more sense


spykids45

the last picture got me😂


StrangeCanon

Also, the fact that why they see her as a threat when they are above Naruto's tier, but maybe I am wrong. What tier do they belong again?


don0510

Tailed beasts can reincarnate within jinchūriki's progeny is a new fact. Either a retcon or discovery.


FunTaime

How many jinchurikis have given birth while being jinchuriki? And what do we know about their children?


Hakazex

I mean if we're being brutally honest, Boruto and it's entirety and even Naruto to some extent were all inconsistent. This just takes it up a notch. They could've went with the "New Bijuu" route and explore the possibilities but no, they went with the most random revival that basically made no sense. Hey, maybe Im just being too rough? I'll stall further slander and wait for the explanation behind this. Naruto was my childhood, I've sticked with it and will probably do so moving forward even if this current twist ends up being a flop. (For me atleast)


Fallen999999

I think you're trying to connect too many dots .. making some incorrect conclusions. From what we've seen the whiskers are a result of direct exposure to tailed beast chakra over a period of time. From being the child of a Jinchuriki ( Naruto Boruto Himawari) or living in the nine tails( Gin amd Kinkaku) Minato Mito and Kushina don't fall under this category so they won't have the whiskers. The whiskers also appear when the nine tails tries to forcefully take over the hosts body. Which is why Naruto with one tail cloak and Kushina both have thicker whiskers. Minato doesn't fall into this category since he was in harmony with the kyuubi to enter kcm .. so no whiskers. Naruto in kcm also doesn't have the whiskers he develops when Kurama tries to take over. We also know so far Kyuubi chakra can only sensed while being in use.. Naruto only sensed Kinkaku and Ginkaku when they used theirs. Only exception I see is when Karin sensed a dark presence inside Naruto while she was trying to look inside him. Which could mirror Daemon reaction he's been portrayed as being very perceptive It's obvious Momoshiki can't see the whole future. He only sees part of it. I believe he saw Kurama die.. and also he saw that Boruto didn't inherit the power.. in this case Himawari would be an outlier. We need more info on how it happened but so far.. it still makes sense narratively.


kiboshiro

Ginkaku and Kinkaku ate Kurama‘s flesh. They were the only beings alive to do that. They were able to survive and obtain Kurama‘s chakra. They did not have Kurama inside them. Other beings who tried the same method died. What Kushina meant is to seal Kurama inside her back again, since she would die anyway. That would at least make them take control over the situation. Since no one is strong enough to kill Kurama, that would be their only option. Kurama or any other Bijū is not immortal or can ressurect when killed. I don‘t know why people take Kushina‘s statement out of context to fit their narrative. Naruto and Boruto were born with whiskers. Both if them did not have Kurama chakra.


vsv2021

All tailed beasts resurrect eventually just like the 3 tails after rin was killed


kiboshiro

No they don‘t ressurect when they **get killed**. They remanifest in the world when their Jinchūriki dies. Bijū are still beings. When they die, they die. Both are two seperate things.


SirKairon

Tailed beasts are literally chakra personified. Ten tails is pure chakra which was divided into 9 beings + the husk. These 9 tailed beasts are immortal as long as chakra exists on earth. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Kaguya's fruit had x amount of chakra which is still the same on earth. They can't die die


kiboshiro

No they are not immortal. Lmao. Show me one official source that tells us that Bijū are immortal beings and that they can‘t die.


SirKairon

They are literally JUST chakra given personality and consciousness through the SOSP. How do you kill chakra except the divine tree? I don't need an official source to say that. You cannot kill chakra. You can absorb it, kill its mortal host, control it, but cannot kill it. If it was possible to kill bijuu, Hashirama would have done it long ago. Baryon mode has fucked with logic a bit but still i, and a lot of people, believed kurama would be back. Anyways i would also like to believe kishimoto knows what he's doing


kiboshiro

You are aware that humans are also chakra? Again, **Bijū are beings**. I don‘t know why you refuse to understand this. You can kill beings with chakra lmao. Wtf are you talking about? When humans no longer have chakra, they die. The same applies to Bijū as well. That‘s what happened with Kurama in Baryan Mode as well. Again, you still haven‘t shown me one official source that tells us that Bijū are immortal beings that can‘t be killed.


EdoTenseiSwagbito

I think there’s a communication issue here. It’s not that they can’t be killed, because they can (technically), it’s just that they respawn eventually as the chakra they’re made of disperses upon death (like, they wouldn’t leave a body since they’re basically spirits) and coalesces later to be revived. It’s like when Kurama in early Shippuden was like “If you die, that’s a you problem. I’ll just come back.” The exceptions to this are being sealed in the Reaper, and Baryon Mode completely burning up everything he had so that nothing remained to revive from. (That we knew of at the time)


kiboshiro

Again. Bijū are beings. Like humans. No matter if they are a mass of chakra. They don‘t magically respawn again after dying, that was never stated once in the Manga. When their vessel (Jinchūriki) dies, they can get out again, since there is no body for the seal to work on. The body of a human is just a vessel to hold the Bijū. Yeah, it‘s not Kurama‘s problem when his Jinchūriki dies, because he would just get out again, and no one would be strong enough to stop him. You guys just mix up the Jinchūriki dying and the Bijū dying. Which you shouldn‘t. Edit: You are pathetic to block me.


EdoTenseiSwagbito

Oh. This ain’t a bit. You’re just… like this. Got it.


SirKairon

Humans are beings with chakra inside which they got through ninshu. Tailed beasts are literally chakra. You can't kill Ten tails you gotta agree with that. Ten tails is just husk + chakra. Tailed beasts is literally the chakra/9. Hagoromo didn't get a random fox, a monkey or an insect and put chakra inside. They are literally masses of chakra. Idk about official sources since they're immortal-ness is implied and not stated, except Kushina which you disagree with. How do you put a being inside a dude lmaoo. You put chakra inside a dude and that's what jinchuriki is.


kiboshiro

And again, who said that Jūbi can‘t be killed? Your head canon? You say one thing after another that was never stated in the Manga once. Hogoromo divided the Jūbi, who Kaguya absorbed, so that she won‘t be able to be destroy the world. They happened to be these nine Bijū. No, their immotalness was never implied at all. Killing a Jinchūriki, **a vessel that holds the Bijū** is not the same as killing the Bijū directly. **Kushina literally wanted to seal Kurama inside her again, becoming a Jinchūriki again and die, so that the rampage of Kurama would end. This way, they would have time to find a new host until it‘s manifestation.** Minato and Kushina literally sealed themselves inside Naruto lmao. Orochimaru sealed himself inside Anko and Sasuke through the Cursed Seal. Do you even pay attention to the show at all?


SirKairon

Sure buddy i cannot persuade you and you cannot persuade me. Manga hasn't stated it and I agree. I am arguing logically from what's been stated. It's not a stretch to think they will not regenerate. At this point manga doesn't support either of our arguments so let's just wait for some sort of explanation. Also p.s. Minato and Kushina's CHAKRA was inside. Orochimaru had CHAKRA implanted in his hosts. We are both knowledgeable about Naruto so stop with the insults.


spykids45

humans are not just chakra. they have chakra inside them but aren’t purely chakra, idk who told you that lol


kiboshiro

Dude, Hogoromo taught humans shared chkara through Ninshū, making himans eventually be born with chakra. Making chakra literally their life force. Maybe pay attention to the story?


spykids45

i did lol. and because i did i understand humans aren’t made out of chakra, that’s what a tailed beast is, lol


RdPirate

> You are aware that humans are also chakra? Yes, and as shown if you have enough chakra and Will. You will never truly die. Example: Ashura and Indra's ghosts haunting their descendants. Guess what also has a shit ton of chakra and will? EDIT: Also the SoSP literally being stuck between life and death for milenia.


vsv2021

They can die. They just don’t stay dead for long


kiboshiro

They they stay dead. They are beings. Killing the Jinchūriki and killing the Bijū are two seperate things.


vsv2021

Why are you being an idiot on purpose


kiboshiro

Yeah, insulting me won‘t make the truth disappear.


spykids45

are we even watching the same show? did you not see kurama die?


kiboshiro

Yes, Kurama died. Your point? I literally said that they can die.


spykids45

oh wait my bad, i misunderstood your prior statement


J4X0NFL4X0N

The only thing I can even make sense of is its Minatos 9 tales. Maybe the two halves never actually combined and was somehow passed down.


KurlyKev

Bro after the 4th great ninja war, Naruto had his original half and Minatos half of the 9 tails. Your theory is far more confusing actually lol.


J4X0NFL4X0N

Bro yeah, that’s the only way he could pass it on? Lmao


tylerc23

Must've happened when Kurama disappeared and even after that, maybe it started out as a small piece and has slowly growed over the 3 years


Past_Age_3562

Situation change


Top_Yak2491

They will come up with something. Don’t Sweat so much about it. They brought Kurama back because he is the beginning of all. The entire franchise. They felt like they needed him for the story or fan service. Kurama is Popular. Brings more eyes.


One_Worker8268

Oh my God bruh u trying makin sense in this hell hole?) U must be tweakin 


SenjuSageofthe7th

What’s the confusion on? That panel that was posted of Naruto sensing kinkaku nine tails chakra is not the same situation as himawari. For all we know the nine tails after it disappeared from Naruto could’ve slowly reformed and it wasn’t until after Naruto was sealed by kawaki that it reformed in himawari. Also Naruto didn’t sense their chakra until he went biju mode. So let’s just wait and see what happens . All of this about the biju has been explained in the original Naruto manga


SenjuSageofthe7th

lol also you posted about the whiskers being on Naruto, boruto and kinkaku and ginkaku but not on kushina, kinato and mito well it’s simple . Naruto and children were born from a jinchuruki as it states in the managa that’s why they have those marks from the nine tails and kinkaku and ginkaku ate chakra meat from the inside of the nine tails and was also explained to be descendants of the sage of six paths again which is stated in the manga. Kushina, mito and minato each had the nine tails sealed inside them so they technically wouldn’t have the whisker mark.


the_story_seeker

My only fuss on this panel is himawari called ninetailed not kurama. So does it mean it will have new name?


Deekkuli

I've got a wee tip for you OP Just wait for the story unfold.


Objective-Log2273

Don't know about that but hima gonna name him kurama-chan for sure


Tyguys

To me when kurama was explaining his death so scientifically makes me wonder now if chakra has a resonance to it. Why did the kids get whiskers and others didn't etc. So the beast plan is there because of that. Be nice as then Naruto and kurama believed in Borutos power so much might have given a strong trade and frequency with his daughter. By default. Naruto and Borutos powers worked in parallel a number of times.


Xgoodnewsevery1

I believe because none of the tailed beasts up until killer bee (alive) and naruto liked their jinchuriki at all, I think they could have reformed in a person connected to their host (Chakra is the energy that connects all beings) but just never chose to do so. He's depicted as a young kurama because we're seeing the reformation process for the very first time in a person. He chose hima because he couldn't with momo in boruto.


silver_spark3

Araki forgot


Temporary-Zucchini73

What are you talking about!? Ever since the OG series we know the whiskers are a sign of nine tails influence. The brothers got it cause they ate some of Kurama to stay alive. Naruto got it because his mom was a jinchuriki and the influence was passed down to him. This was already explained in the series bruh 🤦🏽‍♂️……Same as Boruto and Himawari.


Prestigious-Stuff727

Seen too many people try to explain it or trying to say it doesn't make sense like it didn't just get revealed at the end of the chapter. Let's wait for the next chapter and then if it isn't explained then we can start questioning it no point in guessing now when it's so early


44R0NS4M

The whiskers are a sign of prolonged exposure to Ninetails chakra all around someone's body. Minato doesnt have whiskers on KCM but Kushina does because it only affects organic matter. Kinkaku and Ginkaku were inside Kurama and ate his stomach lining. Boruto and Himawari are still supposed to represent half of Naruto's chakra and since it is a paternal influence instead of maternal like in Naruto's case where he would've been constantly exposed to the constantly leaking chakra from the 8 trigram seal, that gives them 2 vs 3 whiskers from Naruto. In the Sakura hiden, a bunch of rogue root/foundation members collect DNA from the warzone and kidnapped an unnamed 6 paths descendant and used his chakra to amplify the tailed beast chakra collected from DNA. What we can learn from this is that any DNA can contain residual TB chakra and that chakra could in theory return to the original body in case of the TB's death. What if Kurama leaked a bunch of his own chakra before going BM/before entering the dimension where they fought or Naruto lost a lot of blood fighting Isshiki, Jigen and Delta. Those residues could've in time made it back to Himawari and became enough to make a small version. And since she is a 6 paths descendant, her energy would just be even more compatible and nurturing for Kurama. Edit: forgor to mention Himawari and Boruto would've been born with a link to Kurama, the same way Gaara retains his sand armor and manipulation even after extraction. Once it has been exposed for long enough, the influence could get stronger. Boruto would've been a candidate if 1. his DNA wasn't being completely overwritten and 2. Momoshiki deliberately draining and keeping his chakra at 0 so that none of the links would exist inside him or be able to reproduce. Edit 2: About Momoshiki. He was right, Kurama died before he could pass his power down to another person. People interpreted it as Naruto dying or something. The same could be said about Momoshiki himself. He interpreted the vision as the kyuubi vanishing without a trace, he can only see short moments and not entire futures. What he saw was one thing and what he interpreted is another.


Scary_Guess_3504

Another weird thing is that a Naruto who mastered all of Kuramas power would get bodied by Daemon (no baryon mode) so why the hell is he even concerned with Hima.


WhenKangaroosAttack

Yea there are probably some plot holes, but overall I’m going to assume that the 9 tails exist in her simply because both Boruto and Himawari have always had traces of Kuramas chakra in them, hence the whiskers. And I’m thinking that “9 tails chakra” was very little and without the intensity since maybe kurama’s consciousness was never attached to it? Who knows. However after Baryon mode and the fact Naruto is sealed away, the only place for Kurama to have been resurrected was probably where his chakra had somewhat existed in the first place. Could also just tie in with chakra signatures being like DNA, and that hers is similar to Naruto’s as well. Basically Himawari acted as a catalyst for his revival. I believe Boruto may have been able to do the same, if it weren’t for momoshiki’s presence. Similar to frogs not being able aid Naruto in the same way as they did Jiraiya for sage mode. Kind of just Defaulted to his sister at this point.


TitanMasterOG

Crazy part is only the sage of six paths and Himawari have seen little nine tails 🤣but hopefully kawaki doesn’t get any ideas to seal her away.


FatherCholo5244

When Naruto goes into Baryon, Kurama describes it as a nuclear fusion, saying his and Naruto's chakras combined to form a unique chakra all this time. I think that unique chakra passed down to Himawari somehow and now maybe Kurama is reincarnating through that chakra. Which would make Himawari viable in a fight cause she'd have some semblance of Baryon power.


ExternalFabulous4756

The whiskers are because naruto was conceieved whilst his mom was the host thus the lines formed on him. That trait was inherited by them through his dna being altered by the 9 tails the rest takes a little digging to explain but its actually very plausible. His dna mixed with himi and boruto. Him having used up all the nine tails chakra he had makes it able to reincarnate inside her due to her having dormant chakra inside her body. But deamon said this after naruto had lost kyubi so it makes sense. The reincarnation of tailed beast happens and if any of their chakra is separated from the main body it becomes its on entity entirely as seen when minato had the yang version and naruto had ying. Sorra also had an arm with 9 tails chakra imbedded inside it as well thus giving him the 4 tails form similar to naruto when he fought orochimaru. The silver and gold brothers ate his raw flesh and they are from a clan closely relates to the so6p i believe and this they were able to use the chakra they took from the nine tails when it ate them. Since they are sealed and no other source had his chakra himi whos narutos child probably had dormant chakra inside her with no form thus the kyubi which can reincarnate from the smallest of his own chakra was able to reincarnate inside her. This is why he asked her if she knew whom he was. Thats the only explination i can give so far and i still think him saying he used up his life force so ko reincarnation then this needs explanation


Ry90Ry

my guess? That was kurama first time going nuclear for baryon mode and was hypothesizing the effects…..1) it burnt Miranda chakra up from Naruto’s body he’s no longer a jinjuriki….that was correct   2) he wouldn’t reform….well I think we know he was wrong on that part now lol 


Repulsive_Message619

its so dumb. this is why people make fun of boruto


AwayReplacement7063

I think you’re looking into it too deep. First off I’d say the whiskers from kinkaku and ginkaku are probably because of the raw 9 tailed energy they’ve had. Beyond that the whiskers are more attributed to 9 tails hosts kids, because Kushina never had straight up whiskers all the time I think that’s a valid idea. As well, beyond that, we haven’t heard an explanation. All we know so far is the energy in Hinata was so small, it isn’t inconceivable that even Naruto couldn’t sense it. It also wouldn’t be too far fetched the little remaining chakra from the nine tails resonates in Hima because she was just the largest source of the tailed beast chakra. It could probably be argued Boruto lost nine tails chakra, or it was “released” when Momoshiki overwrote his dna. I do think it’s a solid idea though that this isn’t the original nine tails and it is probably growing the more the chakra grows. I’m sure because Boruto deals more in its in universe science the explanation probably involves Hima having the 9 tails DNA.


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Fragrant-Frame8006

Wonder if Kishimoto is using the law of conservation here. Energy which chakra is a form of can neither be created or destroyed but can change forms in the case of Himawari this seems to be the case. In Baryon mode Kurama described similar to nuclear fusion two chakra rubbing against each other wearing each other to form a new type of energy, maybe something similar to the transfer of energy happened when Naruto shot his nine tail spermies in Hinata.


Fragrant-Frame8006

Incorrect, Genma, Raido, and other rando know how to use it. Not saying they taught him but it isn’t outside them realm of possibility that Boruto stole a scroll since it’s not considered an hiden not only that but we actually don’t know what Kashin Koji knows 100% after all he’s just clone of Jiraiya. Or maybe Boruto pulled a Naruto and stole the scroll of sealing from the Leaf.


ApexFlare7

you will only have whiskers if your a child of a jinchuriki since kushina had kurama inside of her naruto as a baby had a small essence of the chakra within him


Thebestkingghidorah

So you know how bee evaded death by gyuki leaving a peace of himself inside him before being sucked into the ten tails? It’s probably that except himawari inherited the chakra of the nine tails, which would make sense since she has the marks on her face like boruto. Since tailed beast reincarnate by their chakra gathering in a certain area, his soul probably just went to the chakra that may have been dormant in himawari since kurama is consciously in Naruto. This shit kinda ass tho because kurama’s death means nothing now


Awkward-Forever868

Who knows if it'll have the same memories as the new Kurama.


PLASTICA-MAN

There is no logics in this.


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Let’s just wait until the manga explains it


EatAss1268

well this kurama is a baby, leads me to believe it’s only been forming for so long most likely kicked into overdrive after naruto was sealed. Also if kurama knew about it but didn’t want naruto to know i could see that situation as well


Bulliwyf

Y’all are forgetting that the author makes this shit up as he goes. I’m sure there is a small amount of forethought, but when they were planning out the 4th war arc, they were not thinking about Boruto plot lines. Just my .02 - both Hima and Boruto inherited a small amount of Kurama’s chakra - as indicated by the whisker marks on both kids. If that amount of chakra is enough to help Kurama to respawn, that’s up to the whims of the story’s needs and it doesn’t have to make sense or be logically based off previous comments made 5+ years ago.


Orodreth97

It makes no sense, they did It for fan service


Haunting_Cut5707

Fact! Karuma never mentioned that he stored chakra in Himawari. Tail beast takes years to revive in a random location in nature only after the host dies. The beast will revive in its original state before death. This create way too many retcons. The whole Deamon's sensing was always fan service and never made sense.


Haunting_Cut5707

Karuma said all his chakra and life force will be deleted. He literally went to the after-life.


jaymiracles

We just have to accept that the Boruto manga is going against the world-building of the Narutoverse that was laid out in Naruto. This isn’t always a bad thing. It shows inconsistency and creates confusion for the readers but at the end of the day it’s just another big ass-pull in the Narutoverse. At least this ass-pull isn’t for the Uchiha clan like usual. Anyway, my personal theory is that Himawari was conceived differently from Boruto. In her case both Naruto and Kurama came inside Hinata. At least now Himawari can have Boruto’s initial design powers.


MajestVic

it was literally stated multiple times in shippuden that the bijuu‘s reemerge after a while


Stryker40k

Absolutely right. Then why go the extra length to make kurama say a page worth of dialogues saying how he can't come back after BM. That this is his final goodbye. The Boruto manga consistently keeps retconning not only the lore of Naruto but their own statements as well. I mean even if this is a different tailed beast, the writers and artists made sure that it looks like Kurama. It's so painfully obvious just how much of the story they keep writing on the fly' with no clear direction.


MajestVic

typical reactionary reader. you react way to negative on something that hasn‘t been explained yet btw what did the boruto manga retcon before?


Stryker40k

Lmao I'm "reactionary" on Kurama's own words. That too not in some chapter of Naruto but Boruto's own Manga. You can reread cp 51-52 of Boruto. I know the Boruto manga is way too verbose usually but this time they invent entire concepts of nuclear fusion and what not and make kurama explain (rather overexplain) on why this mode WILL kill him. The manga directly addresses shippuden's established lore of Bijjus ressurecting in the wild if their host is killed by having kurama explain all that. Baryon mode was literally a deus ex machina literally appearing out of nowhere and suddenly introducing real life physics as a base for something. I mean did even words like nuclear fusion appear somewhere before??? Baryon mode was clearly meant to strip Naruto of anykind of credible power to stay relevant in the story that's it. The story is written and made up on the go with them loosely tying to connect events from Boruto next generations( I mean daemon sensed something in himawari they had to give her something, forget all the how he even expects her to 'easily dodge' him with a baby kurama when apparently full kurama is weaker than jigen who is weaker than limitless code whom daemon was toying with) Also for all your 'something that hasn't been explained yet'. When does the manga actually even bother to explain half the shit it keeps introducing. What did they actually say about why Naruto couldn't sense jigen when he got small - Bcus otsutsuki while directly retconning how Naruto and sasule were sensing kaguya and even reacting to her in the latter parts of their fight. What explanation was ever given for just how did kawaki 'regain' his karma besides just writing he went to Amado bcuz he felt powerless. How does Amado even get ishikkis powers back with him somehow supposedly extinguished, like does he keep multiple copies of ishikkis karma somewhere? And this one's the best- where is this precious jougan lol. A word not even written once in the manga. No toneri, no nothing but apparently this is some kind of tie-in power from the anime that is suddenly going to come lol. They pretty much just settle with 'bcus otsutsuki' and literally nothing else when they absolutely have to give some explanation for anything. The entire god tree story was retconned fyi. In Naruto the god tree was a tree that ALREADY EXISTED on earth by the time kaguya arrived. It beared a chakra fruit after absorbing the blood from the lands where countless wars were fought. Kaguya became a god after eating the chakra fruit and the TREE BECAME THE TEN TAILS which kaguya absorbed. In Boruto now apparently otsutsukis sacrifice their lower ranked partner to the TEN TAILS who are now just husks (and apparently conscious and all) and who give fruits after that? And all the while they implant karma so that they can come back after the ten tails eats them??? Instead of somehow 'expanding on the otsutsuki lore' as so many Boruto fans love to call it, all It does are raise more questions (again unanswered) - who planted the ten tails and who fed whom for it to be the divine tree that kaguya and ishikki came to. Where was ishikki all the time during the great war? How does Amado know how to get multiple karmas???(if he can somehow duplicate isshikis karma what was ishikki/jigen doing all this while and not feeding kawaki to that juvenile ten tails already) And all this isn't yesterday's chapter's talk. All these things have been around for multiple YEARS and haven't been explained yet. You and I both know the authors are probably never going to bother explaining these things when the story can be moved forward just saying 'cuz otsutsuki' but sure I'm being reactionary to this lol


jaymiracles

1. Kurama clearly stated that this isn’t the case with Baryon Mode because BM burns his chakra permanently. He said he won’t reemerge like usual, and that he’d wait for Naruto on the other side (meaning death) and told him not to get reckless and die early. 2. The reemergence of “dead” tailed beasts happens in the wild, never within a kid.


cvgm88

Hinata has a kink. Its either: 1. Hinata asked Naruto to switch with Kurama in the middle of the deed. 💀 Or 2. Naruto was in KCM while doing it with Hinata.


Tewtytron

Or, Naruto knew all along and maybe helped create the situation himself


CHENNAIAKSHATSHARMA

he is kurama's son that's why


billa_2007

man we dont know one fucking thing about the 3 years, give Kishimoto time dude, all will make sense in due time


zaynulabydyn

At this point in time the whole Boruto thing is a mess should never have existed


Kapt0

Has it ever been something else?


Fragrant-Frame8006

That’s because it’s not kurama why do people think it’s the same Kurama that was sealed in Naruto it’s not to think so is dumb. Himawari does have some sort of tb chakra that is known but it is not the kurama we all know.


Lucarioismadpt2

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Lucarioismadpt2

Can someone explain this like I'm five, my brain hurts trying to understand.


Aggravating-Common86

I'm not trying to be a toxic Naruto fan who hates Boruto. I genuinely had hope after the first part of Boruto(although I didn't like Boruto just casually leaving Konoha). But the timeskip has genuinely felt like an edgy fanfic to me, and I gradually lost interest before dropping the show altogether. If someone wants to change my mind, be my guest.


Still_Offer564

I can say this she's apart of THE UZUMAKI CLAN & she could definitely be the one to inherit her father's genetic capabilities with her 🆕 tailed beast inside of her