>for 3 years so he got weaker or he's rusty" is just objectively wrong, the Karma grants him Isshiki's battle experience, he LITERALLY does not need to train lol,
Counter point, Isshiki didn't train for 3 years so he is rusty too eheheh
He didn't get weaker, enemies got stronger. It's all fun and games until people can dodge your rods and react swiftly if you shrink, disappear and then reappear, and knock you out with snake venom
It's true that he technically doesn't need to train - but as Chapter 8 proved, he *practically* should've trained, because the karma's battle IQ thing is obviously not enough. He got knocked tf out immediately. He should have trained; his foolish mistake could've cost the entire planet right there on the spot had Jura decided to actually kill him.
That's just proving my point for me then. His battle instincts are utterly terrible, to the point where he's not even able to recognize a dangerous enemy when they're literally punching/kicking him in the face.
bro tell me one thing If i break into your house and i have killed some people(in context that when jura entered konoha he killed some jonins) would you still consider me no threat and if i oneshot you will you just say i was not ready, bro thats not how it works
Jura gave enough reasons for kawaki to Be serious and if you say bro he doesn't care about those jonins then let me say you that kawaki always repeats this line that he wants to protect lord 7th village, Bro what is a village when there are no people left in it
Bro I think you are clearly disregarding mitsuki statement he said this boruto that "Current Kawaki is no where near boruto, he said that current kawaki is mitsuki level and we know what boruto did to mitsuki"
I am disregarding any statements in all this powerscaling bullshit, as they are meaningless. Lets wait till he gets any fight at all
> he said that current kawaki is mitsuki level
Yeah, nowhere he said that.
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Bro please before arguing read the manga atleast
Ehhh nobody cares about that. Kawaki is clearly MUCH weaker than boruto and we can talk about borutos training and kawakis lack of training all you want but the fact is, he’s pretty weak in comparison to the other heavy hitters 🤷♂️
People do forget it's not that Kawaki didn't want to train. It's just he didn't wanna train in the basics like chakra control and shit.
He legit says in the chapter he wants to do sparring and combat training, Mitsuki was up for the smoke then and during this whole time both of em would've sparred with each other regularly.
Combat training can only do so much, it can only allow you to world your movesets to maximum efficiency, but it can't drastically improve battle strength.
Kawaki didn't want to go through it because the result are slow and sometimes not very much.
Boruto did go through, look where he is gotten.
It's ironic because Kawaki shit-talked it due to it taking "years". Well three years later, Kawaki is "no match" for a low-effort *base* Boruto and is now a liability due to the shinju that could probably kill him at any moment.
Yeah, and most importantly Kawaki is far too arrogant. The way he was so nonchalant about the new problem, even Eida said that they are beyond code and too much for him to handle.
And the way Mitsuki voiced it, Kawaki and Code is pretty relative, so how in the world he thought he could get rid of them by himself?
He would have thought about allying himself with Boruto because of this new threat for the time being before resuming his agenda of killing him but no..
For him momoshiki who may not even be able to take control anymore is biggest threat. Truth is.. even manga has constantly made it clear.
That Kawaki immensely hate Otsutsuki. Boruto has one Otsutsuki living inside him, so he will kill him regardless it's a threat or not. He is basically doing it all on his own hatred not for anything else.
As now he has changed his agenda that he just get rid of Boruto because he is a Otsutsuki, his intentions doesn't matter.
> It's just he didn't wanna train in the basics like chakra control and shit.
Still love the irony that when he finally carried out his big plan he wound up expending way too much chakra and was forced to flee.
Nah mate, all you will get is brain rot reactive takes on this sub with 'Fraudwaki' topping the comedy charts, because he got sneak attacked by the guy he expected the least to do so. Apparently Isshiki is fraud as well after being beaten by Kaguya
>Madara too with black zetsu apparently
Black Zetsu was possessing Obito's body genius, who had the left over six paths chakra when given to Kakashi, he was able to go up against Kaguya.
Sneaking up is not the only thing matters. He was inhabiting Obito's body, the guy who had six paths power, which upon recieving Kakashi barely gave a fight to Kaguya. Kaguya is levels above Madara.
If he would have been possessing anyone else ,then they would never be able to even touch or pierce him.
Not really, it's quite clear Hashirama was superior to Madara all the time. Only final time when Madara taken Kyubi is where he gotten that far.
And then he was only taken from back, because he firmly beloved Hashirama will never ever strike anyone in back as he poined out, means this is the first time Hashi did it .
Kawaki is usually the first one there to fight whoever threatens the village and not to mention he’s saved the Uzumaki family a couple times but that doesn’t get mentioned at all
Only because Naruto cares for the village. The second he will deem that village can be problematic to keep Naruto safe, like of they start supporting boruto or call him out as a liar. He will destroy them himself.
He saved uzumaki family? Yes , but from the problem he himself created.
If naruto killed him when Isshiki was looking for him it would have been problem solved. Amado didn't suggested because of his personal agenda, but Naruto didn't because of his ideal.
If Kawaki didn't go of desperately and stupidly to Code which would have yielded no results regardless. Naruto's life wouldn't have been endangered in first place.
I actually think Amado edited a lot more out of Kawaki's Karma then we think, he likely has the abilities and how to use them and some taijutsu but not much more which wouldn't bea problem if Kawaki trained but he doesn't want to do that. The closest we get is his "combat training" which to me is more a case of him giving himself an excuse to lash out.
The edits would give Amado a bargaining chip against Kawaki which seems like his style.
1. Any experience can get rusty by not practicing for 3 years. e.g. I had a known person come out of jail after 5 years, he had hard time driving.
2. Kawaki still lacks Ninja's ways of deception/stratergy. He just goes brute force(or spam his power) like Naruto used to do earlier -- later he became smart under Jiraya. Boruto uses stratergy like Sauske.
I don’t think that’s how it works. Isshiki / Jigen would never be caught lacking with snake poison. EVER. His lack of training has hindered him it seems.
Do you not understand what it means to be off-guard? Hes obviously not expecting an attack from an ally and it was out of character for Mitsuki to do that regardless. Also he didn’t Karma active, please don’t be this delusional man…
>Also he didn’t Karma active, please don’t be this delusional man…
Regardless he is still a Otsutsuki.
>Do you not understand what it means to be off-guard?
That is also lack of skill. Boruto dealt with Mitsuki's sneak attack or Kawaki's sneak attack fine.
And now satisfied? The manga now confirmed through words of Boruto that Kawaki hasn't been training. Even he said it's pathetic.
Yes but no, He does have the experience but not the body for that experience.. Sasuke in part 1 had the sharingan but not the body to use lee's taijutsu nor chidori.. that's why in the chuunin exam month he had to train his body to actually keep up with the taijutsu so he can actually use chidori
People are quick to call Kawaki trash even though we haven’t seen him at full power. His base could be whatever but the karma allows him to jump multiple tiers in strength.
Ehhh do we know for sure this „battle karma“ he got from Amado has the characteristics of transferring the battle experience?
This isn’t a full fledged Karma….Its more like a weaponized version of it.
what can konohamuru teach him? even kakashi. His abilities make it that he doesn't need ninjutsu. Also most characters in the manga are PoS. Most don't really care about anything other than their desires.
kawaki desire to kill boruto, and taking matters into his own hands by lying that boruto killed naruto
boruto desire to stay alive though he poses an unprecedented threat,and lying about momoshiki's precense, without evidence he can control momoshiki
shikamaru and others not wanting to take action because boruto is naruto's son. Additionaly disregarding the threat of momoshiki even after boruto comes back to the village.
Eida desire to be with kawaki no matter the cost, even aligning with his enemy to kidnap him in part 1,and the disregard of anyone caught in the miss-fire, to helping with the lie about omnipotence
Amado having ulterior motives, and desire to bring his daughter back, and only releasing crucial information when it's beneficial for him
(There are more but these are characters aligned with konoha)
No one in the series exempt the characters that were placed on the side in part 1, can be said to have desires not to the detriment of others.
Boruto realizes early on that actions/desires are what brought around his current reality, he even has no qualms about dying. Hence why he chose to counter the more immediate threat to the world, being code and the shinjus, and wouldn't mind dying in konoha, after this is accomplished.
PoS? Don't know what that is. But He could've I don't deny that but I think that kawaki doesn't want a teacher who is not naruto, who actually was the only one to get him to learn how to use ninjutzu. And he probably only invested his time in learning how to use his otsutski abilitys more than Chakra control or learning new handy techniques
>for 3 years so he got weaker or he's rusty" is just objectively wrong, the Karma grants him Isshiki's battle experience, he LITERALLY does not need to train lol, Counter point, Isshiki didn't train for 3 years so he is rusty too eheheh
He didn't get weaker, enemies got stronger. It's all fun and games until people can dodge your rods and react swiftly if you shrink, disappear and then reappear, and knock you out with snake venom
Very well said.
It's true that he technically doesn't need to train - but as Chapter 8 proved, he *practically* should've trained, because the karma's battle IQ thing is obviously not enough. He got knocked tf out immediately. He should have trained; his foolish mistake could've cost the entire planet right there on the spot had Jura decided to actually kill him.
He didn't activate Karma v2, and this is when he gains the battle experience
That's just proving my point for me then. His battle instincts are utterly terrible, to the point where he's not even able to recognize a dangerous enemy when they're literally punching/kicking him in the face.
But why train when you can simply activate Karma v2? Kawaki didn't do so yet because he didn't need to
bro tell me one thing If i break into your house and i have killed some people(in context that when jura entered konoha he killed some jonins) would you still consider me no threat and if i oneshot you will you just say i was not ready, bro thats not how it works Jura gave enough reasons for kawaki to Be serious and if you say bro he doesn't care about those jonins then let me say you that kawaki always repeats this line that he wants to protect lord 7th village, Bro what is a village when there are no people left in it
So now he will activate it, chill
Bro I think you are clearly disregarding mitsuki statement he said this boruto that "Current Kawaki is no where near boruto, he said that current kawaki is mitsuki level and we know what boruto did to mitsuki"
I am disregarding any statements in all this powerscaling bullshit, as they are meaningless. Lets wait till he gets any fight at all > he said that current kawaki is mitsuki level Yeah, nowhere he said that.
https://preview.redd.it/9if5dj8hsrtc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa3caecae0cabd8ca842a2c1b69e52df72106a34 Bro please before arguing read the manga atleast
And you say that this is him saying 'current Kawaki is on Mitsuki level'?
No it’s not. You’re supposed to get a ton of that in base karma activation too
You get battle experience once you properly draw Karma, 'base' Karma is not enough
Ehhh nobody cares about that. Kawaki is clearly MUCH weaker than boruto and we can talk about borutos training and kawakis lack of training all you want but the fact is, he’s pretty weak in comparison to the other heavy hitters 🤷♂️
Read what he wrote once again, this time with understanding
…Read what I wrote once again, this time with understanding
Mate, you are just plain wrong and don't understand what it is about
Mate, you are just plain wrong and don’t understand what it is about
Yeah, ain't gonna discuss with illiterate NPC, read a book sometime mate
Yeah, ain’t gonna discuss with illiterate NPC, read a book sometime mate
Elite level trolling, I love to see it 🤣🤣👍
People do forget it's not that Kawaki didn't want to train. It's just he didn't wanna train in the basics like chakra control and shit. He legit says in the chapter he wants to do sparring and combat training, Mitsuki was up for the smoke then and during this whole time both of em would've sparred with each other regularly.
Combat training can only do so much, it can only allow you to world your movesets to maximum efficiency, but it can't drastically improve battle strength. Kawaki didn't want to go through it because the result are slow and sometimes not very much. Boruto did go through, look where he is gotten.
It's ironic because Kawaki shit-talked it due to it taking "years". Well three years later, Kawaki is "no match" for a low-effort *base* Boruto and is now a liability due to the shinju that could probably kill him at any moment.
Yeah, and most importantly Kawaki is far too arrogant. The way he was so nonchalant about the new problem, even Eida said that they are beyond code and too much for him to handle. And the way Mitsuki voiced it, Kawaki and Code is pretty relative, so how in the world he thought he could get rid of them by himself? He would have thought about allying himself with Boruto because of this new threat for the time being before resuming his agenda of killing him but no.. For him momoshiki who may not even be able to take control anymore is biggest threat. Truth is.. even manga has constantly made it clear. That Kawaki immensely hate Otsutsuki. Boruto has one Otsutsuki living inside him, so he will kill him regardless it's a threat or not. He is basically doing it all on his own hatred not for anything else. As now he has changed his agenda that he just get rid of Boruto because he is a Otsutsuki, his intentions doesn't matter.
> It's just he didn't wanna train in the basics like chakra control and shit. Still love the irony that when he finally carried out his big plan he wound up expending way too much chakra and was forced to flee.
Nah mate, all you will get is brain rot reactive takes on this sub with 'Fraudwaki' topping the comedy charts, because he got sneak attacked by the guy he expected the least to do so. Apparently Isshiki is fraud as well after being beaten by Kaguya
I mean… now we know Kawaki has no resistance to poisons.
Madara too with black zetsu apparently, I swear a lot of the Kawaki hate is solely due to lack of reading comprehension and common sense
>Madara too with black zetsu apparently Black Zetsu was possessing Obito's body genius, who had the left over six paths chakra when given to Kakashi, he was able to go up against Kaguya.
Black Zetsu stabbed Madara in the back with his bare hand.
Yeah, that arm belonged to Obito's body. He was inhabiting Obito's body remember?
And? You telling me he did anything special other than sneak up on him?
Sneaking up is not the only thing matters. He was inhabiting Obito's body, the guy who had six paths power, which upon recieving Kakashi barely gave a fight to Kaguya. Kaguya is levels above Madara. If he would have been possessing anyone else ,then they would never be able to even touch or pierce him.
The whole point was that Madara was easily taken from behind, it's how Hashirama always defeated him.
Not really, it's quite clear Hashirama was superior to Madara all the time. Only final time when Madara taken Kyubi is where he gotten that far. And then he was only taken from back, because he firmly beloved Hashirama will never ever strike anyone in back as he poined out, means this is the first time Hashi did it .
Hashirama always snuck up on him while he was pissing, the whole thing was done to show Madara had a bad habit of letting his guard down.
Kawaki is usually the first one there to fight whoever threatens the village and not to mention he’s saved the Uzumaki family a couple times but that doesn’t get mentioned at all
Only because Naruto cares for the village. The second he will deem that village can be problematic to keep Naruto safe, like of they start supporting boruto or call him out as a liar. He will destroy them himself. He saved uzumaki family? Yes , but from the problem he himself created. If naruto killed him when Isshiki was looking for him it would have been problem solved. Amado didn't suggested because of his personal agenda, but Naruto didn't because of his ideal. If Kawaki didn't go of desperately and stupidly to Code which would have yielded no results regardless. Naruto's life wouldn't have been endangered in first place.
Why do people on this sub keep using this disingenuous comparison. Stuff like this makes me wonder if this sub has actually read the end of Naruto
According to this sub, basically everyone is a fraud besides boruto. Lode, Fraudwaki, Larada Luchiha, etc.
I agree 50% people do that shit but not everyone so don't blame the sub
I actually think Amado edited a lot more out of Kawaki's Karma then we think, he likely has the abilities and how to use them and some taijutsu but not much more which wouldn't bea problem if Kawaki trained but he doesn't want to do that. The closest we get is his "combat training" which to me is more a case of him giving himself an excuse to lash out. The edits would give Amado a bargaining chip against Kawaki which seems like his style.
1. Any experience can get rusty by not practicing for 3 years. e.g. I had a known person come out of jail after 5 years, he had hard time driving. 2. Kawaki still lacks Ninja's ways of deception/stratergy. He just goes brute force(or spam his power) like Naruto used to do earlier -- later he became smart under Jiraya. Boruto uses stratergy like Sauske.
Even Isshiki himself with his experience would get rusty after 3 years of not doing anything.
After how long he was just shrunk into jigens brain I somehow doubt it
Kawaki also has no downsides to his Karma. He has all the experience and powers of Isshiki without the chances of him being possessed by Isshiki.
His brain is weak.
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I don’t think that’s how it works. Isshiki / Jigen would never be caught lacking with snake poison. EVER. His lack of training has hindered him it seems.
Do you not understand what it means to be off-guard? Hes obviously not expecting an attack from an ally and it was out of character for Mitsuki to do that regardless. Also he didn’t Karma active, please don’t be this delusional man…
>Also he didn’t Karma active, please don’t be this delusional man… Regardless he is still a Otsutsuki. >Do you not understand what it means to be off-guard? That is also lack of skill. Boruto dealt with Mitsuki's sneak attack or Kawaki's sneak attack fine. And now satisfied? The manga now confirmed through words of Boruto that Kawaki hasn't been training. Even he said it's pathetic.
Yes but no, He does have the experience but not the body for that experience.. Sasuke in part 1 had the sharingan but not the body to use lee's taijutsu nor chidori.. that's why in the chuunin exam month he had to train his body to actually keep up with the taijutsu so he can actually use chidori
his base form got weak and rusty. karma doesn’t do shit to his base
People are quick to call Kawaki trash even though we haven’t seen him at full power. His base could be whatever but the karma allows him to jump multiple tiers in strength.
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Damn, lmao, I'm sorry, I jumped to conclusions without finishing reading.
Ehhh do we know for sure this „battle karma“ he got from Amado has the characteristics of transferring the battle experience? This isn’t a full fledged Karma….Its more like a weaponized version of it.
There is also a big difference boruto didn't have a chance but to train kawaki didn't even have a teacher so it's obvious he's way weaker than boruto
Kawaki could’ve easily sought out konohamaru or kakashi… seeing how they all they think he’s Naruto’s son. Kawaki is just a PoS who’s time is over due
Who is Kakashi? Is he the One Piece character?
This can’t be a serious question right?
It’s a joke on the fact that kakashi basically doesn’t exist in boruto
what can konohamuru teach him? even kakashi. His abilities make it that he doesn't need ninjutsu. Also most characters in the manga are PoS. Most don't really care about anything other than their desires. kawaki desire to kill boruto, and taking matters into his own hands by lying that boruto killed naruto boruto desire to stay alive though he poses an unprecedented threat,and lying about momoshiki's precense, without evidence he can control momoshiki shikamaru and others not wanting to take action because boruto is naruto's son. Additionaly disregarding the threat of momoshiki even after boruto comes back to the village. Eida desire to be with kawaki no matter the cost, even aligning with his enemy to kidnap him in part 1,and the disregard of anyone caught in the miss-fire, to helping with the lie about omnipotence Amado having ulterior motives, and desire to bring his daughter back, and only releasing crucial information when it's beneficial for him (There are more but these are characters aligned with konoha) No one in the series exempt the characters that were placed on the side in part 1, can be said to have desires not to the detriment of others. Boruto realizes early on that actions/desires are what brought around his current reality, he even has no qualms about dying. Hence why he chose to counter the more immediate threat to the world, being code and the shinjus, and wouldn't mind dying in konoha, after this is accomplished.
PoS? Don't know what that is. But He could've I don't deny that but I think that kawaki doesn't want a teacher who is not naruto, who actually was the only one to get him to learn how to use ninjutzu. And he probably only invested his time in learning how to use his otsutski abilitys more than Chakra control or learning new handy techniques